--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> I'm not trying to be cruel, but I was disappointed in the second
> half of Revolution. I know, it's supposed to be some "future"
> politician, but he's practically foaming and the mouth and
> chewing the carpet like Hitler, and I though it was too
> heavy handed.

-- So you liked the first half?

> That and Caesar's journal. I know
> someone said they liked it. But it seemed like
> they sort of thing somebody would draw in
> class when the teacher isn't looking.

-- Or something a chimpanzee would draw. ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:

> Our colourist is the incomparable Bernie Mireault,

-- Who has done a great job on what we have seen so far.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:

> The latest issue of TOYFARE lists the value of the POTA2001 Attar

and Thade statues at $50 each.

> Did they make more than one series of these? The ones I have are 9-

10" tall and they made Thade, Attar and Leo. I picked most of them up
when the stores were reducing costs to move stock for about $20 or
less, just can't see these worth $50 each unless there are others I'm
not aware of.

-- Can't help unfortunalely as I know nothing about them but after
hearing some of the doom and gloom of 2001 merchandise I would be
surprised if something went up in value.
How much were these things when they first went on sale?

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "bichhanjon" <bichhanjon@...> wrote:

> For some reason I could not get the pictures to open.

-- They wouldn't open for me either but I could picture in my mind how
he might look as a monkey. It would work. ;-)

> I don't mean to be critical
> but I was hoping for more from Ape groups. I am thinking I might
> start my own group

-- Fantastic idea, the more Apes groups the better- spread the word!

Have fun with it.

Neil

It is still in my head, but it's essentially written out. I guess
we're just using different euphemisms. The way I do things
is "write" in my head first, then I just kind of let the words come
out when I type. There's a term for this that I can't remember at
the moment.

Chris

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@>
> wrote:
> > You need to get someone else to write the scripts.
> > I have some things I have been working on.
>
> -- Great any chance you could upload a bit of one of these to the
> files section?
>
> Neil
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@...>
wrote:

> Do you think maybe you are taking this movie too seriously?

-- Its impossible to describe the smell of a wet cat.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@...>
wrote:

> There's a term for this that I can't remember at
> the moment.

-- Prodding a fire with a stick makes you feel manly!

Neil

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:46:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  I dished out cash to see it because there was an orangutan in it. Amazing what I will do for apes. Elaine

 

Yeah, I make it a policy to never see a movie that

requires an ape to carry it.  I haven't seen the other

Clyde (Manis) movie either.  I might have watched

it, but it had Tony Danza in it.  I also couldn't bring

myself to watch the Dunston movie.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:48:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

just can't see these worth $50 each unless there are others I'm not aware of.

 

There was a model of the scene with the tree scarecrow

but it was also pretty expensive.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 3:49:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- So you liked the first half?

Yes, I enjoyed it.

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 4:09:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Can we hear some things people like about REVOLUTION?

 

The first part.

 

 

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This is a fantastic page.

 

Looks like the apes could have some competition in running the planet!  J

 

I still think Pete should say “Yorrick, I presume?”.   He must be contemplating the burning question “to be or not to be” at this point…

Michael

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 4:09:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

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I think they were $20-$30. I know for sure they weren't $50.
The diorama that was mentioned was more expensive, but that, too, was much
cheaper about 6 months after POTA2001 hit theatres.

Dan



Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:02:15 -0000
From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
Subject: Re: Nice bust!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:
> The latest issue of TOYFARE lists the value of the POTA2001 Attar
and Thade statues at $50 each.
> Did they make more than one series of these? The ones I have are 9-
10" tall and they made Thade, Attar and Leo. I picked most of them up
when the stores were reducing costs to move stock for about $20 or
less, just can't see these worth $50 each unless there are others I'm
not aware of.

-- Can't help unfortunalely as I know nothing about them but after
hearing some of the doom and gloom of 2001 merchandise I would be
surprised if something went up in value.
How much were these things when they first went on sale?

Neil

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:46:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  I dished out cash to see it because there was an orangutan in it. Amazing what I will do for apes. Elaine

 

Yeah, I make it a policy to never see a movie that

requires an ape to carry it.  I haven't seen the other

Clyde (Manis) movie either.  I might have watched

it, but it had Tony Danza in it.  I also couldn't bring

myself to watch the Dunston movie.

  Fortunately the Dunston movie came and went before I was able to waste my money. Elaine

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:17:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Can we hear some things people like about REVOLUTION?

 

The colors are nice.

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:34:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

cheaper about 6 months after POTA2001 hit theatres

 

If you could change anything about it what would it be.

I would eliminate all references to the original.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/3/2006 11:01:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

nfoster@... writes:

I don't mean to be critical
> but I was hoping for more from Ape groups. I am thinking I might
> start my own group

 

If Mike isn't going to have the time anymore

you may as well.  I'd join it.

 

 

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Well, I'm happy for you, but hate to see you go just the same :(

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@...>
wrote:

>
> It is still in my head, but it's essentially written out. I guess
> we're just using different euphemisms. The way I do things
> is "write" in my head first, then I just kind of let the words come
> out when I type. There's a term for this that I can't remember at
> the moment.
>
> Chris

I think the word you're searching for is "bullshit".

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Speaking of Rock, www.aintitcool.com reports that the Rock is
> planning to remake Clint Eastwood's "Every Which Way But Loose" (the
> one with the orangutan).
>
> -- No, no, no, no ,no. Why, why, why, why, oh why?
>
> Neil

*** The original "EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE" had Sondra Locke in it,
back when Clint was casting her in just about all his movies (she was
the victim-turned-murderess in one of his DIRTY HARRY sequels). And, of
course, Sondra Locke played Arn in "THE CURE", so she's a POTA veteran.
I wonder if the new version of EWWBL will have cameos by Clint and/or
Sondra? Not that Clint needs the paycheck, but she might.

Patrick

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. And, of course, Sondra Locke played Arn in "THE CURE",

No, she played Amy in "The Cure"...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/31/2006 6:05:21 AM Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@... writes:
>
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton" <
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > >Galen says (of Urko), "He won't listen to me." And Zaius tells

him that he has Zaius' authority when he travels as his
representative. Ergo, Zaius then-and-there was hiring Galen to be his
representative. So that, when Urko takes out his pistol to shoot the
astronauts,Galen has but to say "Urko -- No." and Urko backs down.
Zaius must have made it official. Urko, on their journey to Chalo,
refers to Galen as an "errand boy". Zaius' errand boy. With his
authority as his representative.

> >
> > -- Good pick up Patrick. So Galen really did give up a lot when

he ran off with Virdon &Burke, a position of some authority.
====================================================================

>
> I'm not saying you're wrong (or right) about this, but I always

felt that Zaius sent Galen along to "test him under fire" and to see
if he REALLY has what it takes to become his assistant...

.html.html In a message dated 2/4/2006 6:49:37 AM Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

But sometimes I can't help but wonder why they didn't keep the same writer at least for continuity sake. 

That's the sad part of it all, after PLANET, they were all written by Paul Dehn (well, he "co-wrote" BATTLE) and he still messed things up big time as far as consistency in the films... But yeah, it would have been a lot better had Michael Wilson been willing to continue writing them (and/or Serling, etc.)...

1. Wouldn't it have made more sense for the apes to use Brent's ship to go back in time then Taylor's ship? After all his was sitting in the desert and I would assume in better shape then one that's been under water for some time? How do even hide a foray into the a place that's forbidden in between preparing for a trial?

Well, they wouldn't have even had an idea of Brent's ship existing... Cornelius & Zira would have been able to tell their friend Milo about where Taylor would have said his ship allegedly sank... At the time when Milo would have been investigating Taylor's crash sight, C & Z probably would have been dealing with their heresy trial, etc... And, if you look at Brent's ship in BENEATH, you'll see that it really is in bad shape, what with the back end all burned up... As far as why they'd go into the Forbidden Zone, again, Milo was the one dealing with all of that while C & Z wold have been dealing with their heresy trial...

2. Why didn't Brent's' "Skipper" have a beard when they crashed and just what was Brent's first name? They Name Taylor as George Taylor in the credits of the second film but why? They never address him in the movie and they don't tell you Brent's' name? I know the cartoon series calls him Ron but that's someone else completely.

Well, the SKIPPER did have some stubble, so they didn't totally screw up. But I'd guess the actor didn't have time to grow a full beard and they didn't bother putting a fake beard on him, although they should have. As far as the Taylor name thing, it is in PLANET that the credits mention him being named George Taylor, not BENEATH... In the novel of BENEATH (and I think the original script too) they name him as John (Christopher?) if I remember right... (And you cannot count the cartoon as anything when talking of the film, they really are totally unrelated.)

3. How much time had passed since Taylor escaped the apes and Brent's arrival? Did the apes have enough time to raise Taylor's ship, repair it, and face trial for Hearsay?

Anything about how much time had passed would be pure speculation, but it couldn't have been too long, because Nova was wandering around a short time in the Zone without Taylor... And, again, it was Milo who dealt with repairing Taylor's ship, so while the events of PLANET were taking place with C & Z, he would have been resurrecting the ship...

 
4. Taylor's Earth clock when he lands reads 3978 but when Brent lands his says 3955? Which is correct? Taylor goes on to say "Give or take a decade" fine, but in Escape his very ship is given the run down by scientists when the President tells Otto Hasselein "Earths destruction was 3955," Did the writer not notice the difference, did he see the first movie what happened to the other 23 years?

3978 is the correct year... PLANET is the first film, so it is "original canon", and what is established in it is the real deal... Dehn (who scripted the sequels) was just careless as far as doing any cross-checking with the original film... As far as where the other 23 years went, they were always there, just not in Dehn's writings...

 
5. What happened in the 870 years to the Humans between Taylor's crash and Pete and Alan's? The humans are completely different and to be honest not a lot of time has passed for them to dumb down like this to become wild animals let alone for the apes have a hatred for humans and forget all about they were slaves to humans at some point? Did they even know why they hated humans any longer?

Well, that's hard to say, unless you just consider that they were dumbing down as each generation was coming around... As far as the apes knowing they were slaves at one point, VERY FEW apes knew "the truth" about that, so there's really nothing to forget (as the apes in the general population wouldn't have known it anyway, it was part of "The Terrible Secret" which was kept hidden from the masses...) As to why they hated Humans, the line Galen says to his father would probably apply... The line was something like "It's based upon custom and habit, and you know it..." So, it was probably just so ingrained in their society that they didn't even bother to question it... In the TV series era, they do know that man is a destructive beast, but I think they just base that mostly on their taboos... But in the time of PLANET/BENEATH, the apes hate humans because they are an overpopulating, crop and land destroying beast who's numbers have to be kept in check or they'd really cause havoc...

 
6. When the apes march across the Forbidden Zone in Beneath and they see the ruined City, they look as if to cower in fear? Did they know all of the sudden what it was they were looking at, and know all of the sudden at one time they were enslaved there?

No, it's nothing to do with that... What the reality is is that they just reused the same footage they shot when they showed the bleeding Lawgiver scene, look at the two scenes and you'll see they are the same shots...
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@...>
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>
> Hi.
>
> I am new to the group.
>
> I believe the most critical place to start when you are writing PofTA
> stories is the timeline (and whether or not the tv show and the
> cartoon fits in with the movies).
>
> I am seeking the opinion of others.
>
> My own timeline begins with the birth of TAYLOR. Would anyone care to
> guess the year in which he was born and why?
>
> Chris

Taylor, in his written testimony to the Tribunal, says of himself, "I
am an explorer in Space".

He also refers to Stewart as a woman who "was to be the New Eve" with
the "hot and eager help" of her male colleagues, of course.

Thus, they were sent out into Space by their government in order to
explore an unnamed planet orbiting a star 320 lightyears away from
Earth in the constellation Orion, AND to colonize it. To keep Stewart
barefoot and pregnant, popping out kid after kid after kid... so that
a human colony could be set up.

Those POTA fans who deny this are ignoring the only plausible meaning
of Taylor's dialogue/monologue with/to Nova, when he tells her (and
us, the audience) what he's REALLY thinking and feeling.

Later, in "BENEATH", Taylor suggests that he and Nova -- just a PAIR
of humans, one male and one female -- "found a colony... all the kids
will learn to talk... sure, they will..."

It's on his mind, this colonization business. I think it's because
founding a colony had been the plan all along. That's why they had a
woman on their ship in the first place (YEARS before NASA put a woman
in a space shuttle). To be "the New Eve". There are just some things
that a male astronaut can NOT do, no matter how dedicated to the
Mission he might be. He can't bear children!

As for the dual clocks, well, the SHIP-TIME clock would be a state-of-
the-art atomic clock, telling time the same way that an atomic clock
on Earth does. The same number of vibrations of cesium atoms per
second dictating how long each SHIP-TIME second lasts... each
minute... each hour... each day, etc.

The trick is to rig up the EARTH-TIME clock to tell these starbound
astronauts what the date is back on Earth (hence, called a "date
meter" by Hasslein in "ESCAPE"). Taylor makes it plain that the
passage of EARTH-TIME is bent due to their ship traveling at a
velocity which is "nearly the speed of light" according to Dr.
Hasslein's Theory of Time. An equation "translates" the SHIP-TIME
date to the EARTH-TIME equivalent, and the digital clock in the ship
displays that date.

The EARTH-TIME clock couldn't itself "prove" Hasslein's Theory: it
could only display the date the stay-at-homes on Earth were
experiencing IF the Theory were true. Landon seems to think that it
MIGHT be wrong, though -- and this is probably just wishful thinking
on his part, since they've just learned that Stewart is dead, and
he's now "the last of the line": he'll die childless. "If we can't
get back, it's still JUST a theory!" he insists. But Taylor knows
better: "It's a FACT, Landon! Buy it: you'll sleep better." He
himself has seen Time bend... he's seen that Space is boundless. He's
seen star systems zip past his ship's view as they sped through Space
towards their destination in Orion.

I've argued elsewhere that Taylor's crew -- who were awake for the
first 6 months of their voyage -- couldn't help but see that
Hasslein's Theory was a fact, since all they really had to do to
prove it was to do a spectrographic study of the variable luminosity
of the star Alpha Orionis (a.k.a. Betelgeuse). Betelgeuse -- as
Boulle reminds us in his source novel -- is "a palpitating star"; it
puffs up like a blowfish ballooning outward... and then shrinks...
and then balloons out again... and shrinks... etc etc. It does this
at a rate of about once every 6 years. Over the course of "nearly 700
years" (from 1972 to 2673), the ANSA astronauts on Taylor's ship
would be able to see Betelgeuse go through its puffing up (and
BRIGHTENING) and shrinking (and DIMMING) cycle around 100 times! In
the course of only 6 SHIP-TIME months, they would see Betelgeuse go
from BRIGHT to DIM to BRIGHT to DIM (etc) at least 100 times, which
an Earth-bound observer could only observe at the rate of once every
6 or so years. That would prove Hasslein's Theory to be true. And all
it takes is a look out the front window, where Betelgeuse surely
would be visible, since they're flying out to somewhere in the Orion
constellation.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , tshaf37@... wrote:

>
> As I watched POTA last night I couldn't help but wonder a few

things. I'll stop at six points or else I could go on and on. I love
the movies and except the tiny flaws as they are, but sometime I
can't help but wonder why they didn't keep the same writer at least
for continuity sake.

>
>
> 1. Wouldn't it have made more sense for the apes to use Brent's

ship to go back in time then Taylor's ship? After all his was sitting
in the desert and I would assume in better shape then one that's been
under water for some time? We have been wondering if apes go out in
water and apparently they do, they would have to. Remember Taylor's
ship sank, and they would have to go in the water and get it, not to
mention did they have the technology to even raise it, let alone have
the work done by 3 apes and then repair it? How much time did this
even take? How do even hide a foray into the a place that's forbidden
in between preparing for a trial?

*** The ship in which Brent and his 'skipper' crash-landed became too
damaged to fly again. Brent says that "our computer's shot". It is
impossible for that crashed ship to fly again, given that.

Impossible, too, is it for the sunken ship from "PLANET" to be
repaired and flown up into orbit. Aside from the structural damage
(including the damage to the electronics by the lake water), the
principal objection to this ship's re-fly-ability is that it has no
Power. Taylor mentions this when he orders Dodge to "Blow the hatch,
before we lose Auxiliary Power!" In other words, they'd already lost
their Primary Power, and were on their secondary, backup power. Just
after Dodge pressed the button to blow the hatch, Landon informs
Taylor that he can't get out any radio signal because "the power's
gone!" Without any power, that ship ain't going anywhere!

The ship Milo finds is NOT the ship that sank in the first movie.
This 3rd ship has a cockpit hatch that is not on either Taylor's or
Brent's ship. That detail alone makes it plain that Milo did not
dredge up a sunken spaceship and repair it (etc). He found an intact
ship somewhere on the shore of the ocean, as Cornelius tells the
Presidential Commission. A ship which had a Power supply (obviously,
since they flew it up into orbit) and did not have the damage that
the other 2 ships are seen to have -- and which neither Milo nor any
other ape could possibly repair with their 18th Century-level
technology.

>
> 2. Why didn't Brent's' "Skipper" have a beard when they crashed and

just what was Brent's first name? They Name Taylor as George Taylor
in the credits of the second film but why? They never address him in
the movie and they don't tell you Brent's name? I know the cartoon
series calls him Ron but that's someone else completely.

*** Brent's full name -- according to the script and the Michael
Avallone novelization -- is JOHN CHRISTOPHER BRENT. We never do learn
the first names of Landon, Dodge, and Stewart. As to Why Taylor's
first name is credited as "George", who knows? The name GEORGE comes
ultimately from the Greek, and means "Farmer" (as in "Earth-Worker",
the "Ge-" prefix meaning "Earth" -- as in Geography, Geology, etc --
and the "-org" root [actually, from "ergon"] signifying "work". One
who "works the soil" is a farmer, a tiller of the soil. The Roman
poet Virgil wrote some poetry lauding Farming in a work called "THE
GEORGICS". Does any of this mean that we are supposed to consider
Taylor to have been a person who has something to do with farming?
Probably not. The original name this film character was to have
was "JOHN THOMAS" -- a pun with naughty connotations. In the makeup
test-scene they did with Edward G. Robinson as Zaius, Heston's
character is called "Thomas" if you'll recall. The whole purpose of
initially naming him "John Thomas" was to pun on the whole "Rosebud"
element of "CITIZEN KANE": Hearst had nicknamed his mistress's
clitoris "Rosebud", and Orson Welles took that "in-joke" and made it
the central mystery to be solved: Who (or What) was "Rosebud", the
last word Charles Foster Kane was heard to utter before he croaked.
The idea of giving the film version of "PLANET" a wow-ending similar
to the Rosebud-was-a-sled ending of "CITIZEN KANE" was something that
Serling, for one, was involved with.

But... they eventually changed "John Thomas" (a bit too racy, and a
distraction from the story they were telling) to "George Taylor". I
don't think any of the screenwriters (Serling, Wilson, or that other
guy who did the final polishing) ever have publicly stated their
reason for specifically naming him "George Taylor". Was there any
allegorical meaning intended? If so, I fail to detect it. I think
that the first allegorically intended name in the POTA series
is "CAESAR" -- the meaning of his name is crucial to the story, which
is why there's a scene where Breck has this 'nameless' slave chimp
choose his own name out of a Book of Names. Later, the name "VIRGIL"
also has allegorical meaning -- the orangutan character is linked
thematically with the Roman poet Virgil, who accompanied Dante
Alighieri on his journey into Hell (just as he accompanies Caesar
into the "hell" that is the nuked Forbidden City).

>
> 3. How much time had passed since Taylor escaped the apes and

Brent's arrival? Did the apes have enough time to raise Taylor's
ship, repair it, and face trial for Hearsay?

*** I think you mean "Heresy". Hearsay is something else entirely!

>
> 4. Taylor's Earth clock when he lands reads 3978 but when Brent

lands his says 3955? Which is correct? Taylor goes on to say "Give or
take a decade" fine, but in Escape his very ship is given the run
down by scientists when the President tells Otto Hasselin "Earths
destruction was 3955," Did the writer not notice the difference, did
he see the first movie what happened to the other 23 years?

*** Dehn made mistakes. And I've "unflubbed" 'em! If you peruse the
Message Board archives, I'm sure you'll find umpteen posts by Yours
Truly where I show how it is that the "correct" date is 3955 and
explain why it is that Taylor's ship gives a different date. One
clue: the final EARTH-TIME dates given in the 1st TV episode are off,
too, but there's a reason they should be...

>
> 5. What happened in the 870 years to the Humans between Taylor's

crash and Pete and Alan's? The humans are completely different and to
be honest not a lot of time has passed for them to dumb down like
this to become wild animals let alone for the apes have a hatred for
humans and forget all about they were slaves to humans at some point?
Did they even know why they hated humans any longer?

*** What happened? In all probability, a Race War. The exposure of
the Humans of 3085 to the "infection" of the Astronauts ("feelings of
independence") leads to an armed violent uprising against
the "gorilla brutality" represented by Urko's forces. Call it
an "intifada", if you will. Those advocating a PEACEFUL coexistence
for Ape and Man are sidelined, of course. The gorillas would never go
for giving equality to Humans, and the uppity Humans wouldn't settle
for anything less (see "THE LIBERATOR")... so, in time, the tensions
explode into an all-out war.

Eventually, the better-armed gorillas will decimate the uprising, the
same way that the Romans wiped out all resistance from the Jewish
Zealot movement in Judaea. The vicious anti-semitism that followed
for the Jews in the real world almost pales into insignificance when
compared to the resultant devastation to the Human Race by the
victorious Apes: the Apes do to Man in general what Zaius had his
veterinary surgeons do to Landon in specific: they take his memory,
his identity. They basically de-humanize Humanity.

Man if forced to adapt to an environment where any display of Speech
and Intelligence is punished with the severest brutality. Man learns
to refrain from using his vocal apparatus, and his brain's Speech
Centers atrophy as a result. They learn NOT to talk or to write...
and they know that it is dangerous for any Man to speak or write,
which is why Nova and another primitive human go out of their way to
efface Taylor's writing-in-the-sand: his "I CAN WRITE" message.

>
> 6. When the apes march across the Forbidden Zone in Beneath and

they see the ruined City, they look as if to cower in fear? Did they
know all of the sudden what it was they were looking at, and know all
of the sudden at one time they were enslaved there?

>

*** I doubt it. They are seeing the ruins of a high civilization. So
far, they hadn't seen any monuments like the Statue of Liberty, in
all probability, so the whole business of their ancestors once having
been slaves is moot. They weren't meant to see these traces of a pre-
Lawgiver civilization -- such a notion is considered "profane" at
Taylor's Tribunal Hearing.

Besides, the Ape army had already endured the mind-blowing spectacle
of the illusions: seeing the naked gorillas crucified upside-down in
a burning desert plain... seeing the gigantic statue of the Lawgiver
bleed...

I wonder what Zaius told Ursus, when they saw that NYC skyline
together? Ursus knows that the Forbidden Zone is inhabited... but he
doesn't know by What or by Whom -- he only 'knows' that it isn't
inhabited by Apes. Zaius would have to have explained (to Ursus
alone, if not to all the other gorillas there with them) that those
ruins represent a HUMAN civilization that once flourished, long long
ago... And he might've quoted the Sacred Scrolls: "Let [Man] not
breed in great numbers, FOR HE WILL MAKE A DESERT OF HIS HOME and
yours." In other words, "Ursus, those ruined structures were built by
Man... long ago... when he was an intelligent creature. Intelligent,
yet evil. Bent on their own destruction. They destroyed themselves...
and these ruins are what's left of their once-mighty civilization.
Perhaps, lurking beneath this sand and rock, the descendants of those
fools who destroyed their own world are still alive... They are not
like the humans your gorillas have hunted nearly to extinction,
however. Ursus... THESE are the Unknown. Unknown, but HUMAN, all the
same. And therefore dangerous. They destroyed their own world once.
The fear that they might do so again led to this region being closed
for centuries. Was not the Lawgiver wise to do so?..."

Later, of course, Zaius -- seeing the Alpha Omega bomb, knows that it
is a "weapon built by Man", which cannot be shot down with a clip of
bullets... and which "will kill us all". How does he know this?

Hmmm...

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, tshaf37@ wrote:
> >
> > As I watched POTA last night I couldn't help but wonder a few
> things. I'll stop at six points or else I could go on and on. I love
> the movies and except the tiny flaws as they are, but sometime I
> can't help but wonder why they didn't keep the same writer at least
> for continuity sake.

...etc. etc. etc.

PMT you really have to stop all this and go and do something else.

Are you, like, gaffer taped to a tv and keyboard or what?

Anon

You're right, my bad. I stand corrected. Amy it is.
That 3-letter starts-with-A chick name I confuse once
in a blue moon the same way I sometimes accidentally
type "Virdon" when I mean "Virgil" and vice versa.

I think we both agree that Sondra Locke did not play
Prunella Alexandrina...?

Patrick


--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/4/2006 9:37:52 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
> > . And, of course, Sondra Locke played Arn in "THE
> CURE",
>
> No, she played Amy in "The Cure"...
>

What the phok is the point of your post, Sparky?

This is a POTA discussion group. Its purpose is to
discuss POTA. That's what I do when I'm here.

I don't spend as much time here as do Mike, Neil,
Rory, LordT, Glen, and most everybody else. When my
emails start backing up, I go on marathon Yahoo group
sessions and do my catching up. Like this morning, for
instance.

Why would you say that I "have to stop all this and go
and do something else"? Is it that you don't WANT me
here to post my on-topic POTA comments? Is that it?
Just what is your goddamn problem?

If you bother responding to this, I guess I'll find
out the next time I slog through my emails, since I
gotta log off and go to work. Not that I care, mind
you. It just baffles me why anybody would get a bug up
his ass regarding my contributions to this site.

Yeesh!

PMT

Yeah, in my head I've had sex with 3000 women... but that dosen't
make me Gene Simmons. Maybe you should tone down your comments and
make them constructive instead of attacking everyone who has actually
went through the trouble of producing actual items, such as
independently produced comics, fanfic stories, or homepage pics. Yes,
I find them corny too but as long as someone enjoys them they are
valid and as you seem to be just a fanboy yourself maybe you should
think twice before lashing out at people.




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@...>
wrote:

>
> It is still in my head, but it's essentially written out. I guess
> we're just using different euphemisms. The way I do things
> is "write" in my head first, then I just kind of let the words come
> out when I type. There's a term for this that I can't remember at
> the moment.
>
> Chris
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "totellawhopper" <totellawhopper@>
> > wrote:
> > > You need to get someone else to write the scripts.
> > > I have some things I have been working on.
> >
> > -- Great any chance you could upload a bit of one of these to the
> > files section?
> >
> > Neil
> >
>

Congrats Michael. You will be missed. I hope you know that some of us
know how demanding this group can be at times and have appreciated
all the work you've done for a franchise most have forgotten about.
Thanks for everything... you f***ing wanker!! ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Just to let you know I have loved being here for the past few years.
>
> This morning I was offered a promotion on a permanent basis and I
> accepted.
>
> What this means for me personally is more money, more
responsibility and
> without doubt, longer hours. Unfortunately this will inevitably
quite
> seriously affect the amount of free time I will have left to devote
to
> my favourite subject. Planet of the Apes.
>
> What I am determined to do is:
>
> 1: Finish my commitment to GOING HOME (but not including colouring)
>
> 2: Continue to support Simian Scrolls in a much-reduced capacity
but to
> the best of my ability
>
> 3: Finish my "Planet of the Apes Begins" story
>
> Neil has in his possession two more comic scripts of mine - you are
free
> to use these scripts if you still wish to - although I feel both
would
> benefit from further re-writes.
>
> Neil has also seen a number of my stories sent for consideration -
These
> stories remain MINE - If you guys ever want to use them as ideas for
> future comics then we can discuss it on a story by story basis.
>
> What I can no longer do is:
>
> 1: Be actively involved in the production of any future comic
scripts
> (or the production of any future comic pages).
>
> 2: Pursue personalities, produce, design and collate the materials
> required for pages within the POTADG
>
> 3: Contribute regularly to the various chat groups. (I'll probably
be
> limited to weekends)
>
> I'm sorry if this disappoints any or all of you but I'm sure you can
> appreciate this is a huge opportunity for me and that I mean to
give it
> my best shot. If I manage to screw things up and get dismissed
that'll
> be me knocking on the door.
>
> Very best wishes to all,
>
>
> Michael
>

T- The one thing that comes to mind is that I'd make the apes more
human-like like they were in the original movies and the TV series. You
know, less of the swinging through the trees and jumping around.
My wife thought it was odd that the humans weren't more afraid of apes.
My cover for that is always that we're watching this ape world at one point
in time and that in the past, they probably were and their courage was built
over several years or generations.

Dan




Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:16:30 EST
From: LordTZer0@...
Subject: Re: Re: Nice bust!


In a message dated 2/3/2006 7:34:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:

cheaper about 6 months after POTA2001 hit theatres



If you could change anything about it what would it be.
I would eliminate all references to the original.

.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 10:37:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** The original "EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE" had Sondra Locke in it,
back when Clint was casting her in just about all his movies (she was
the victim-turned-murderess in one of his DIRTY HARRY sequels). And, of
course, Sondra Locke played Arn in "THE CURE", so she's a POTA veteran.
I wonder if the new version of EWWBL will have cameos by Clint and/or
Sondra? Not that Clint needs the paycheck, but she might.

Patrick

Clint Eastwood and Sondra Locke used to be a couple.  Their relationship did not end well.

BTW, Locke is in another classic movie from the same year POTA came out, 1968.  It's called THE HEART IS A LONELY HUNTER and I highly recommend watching it sometime.

Locke is also in the movie that beat ESCAPE at the summer boxoffice in 1971.  It was called WILLARD.

-- Rory
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.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

3978 is the correct year... PLANET is the first film, so it is "original canon", and what is established in it is the real deal...

Don't tell that to Patrick and some of the other "timeloopers"!  They have no respect for the "real deal"!

BTW, Michael Wilson wouldn't have had any interest in doing any further APES adventures.  It really wasn't his kind of thing, but we have him to thank for the much improved dialogue over the Serling script.  Wilson really knew how to take on the establishment.

The fact of the matter is that PLANET required no sequel and has such inherent implausibilities that to extrapolate upon it further leads to all kinds of "evolutionary" absurdities.  The kind of tangled story threads that have lead Patrick to conjure up his incredible "scenarios" to try and make sense of them.

Best not to think about them is my best advice.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 11:24:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

The beginning of America -- on July 4th,
1776 -- is referenced by the final image in "PLANET", of the ruined
Statue, holding that tablet inscribed with the date. The "it" Taylor
refers to when he says "You blew it up!" is, of course, the world...
the human civilization that flourished at the time his ship left Earth.
But specifically, it is the American civilization that "sent [him] to
the stars". The movie "PLANET" is about Mankind in general, yes, but
specifically about AMERICA.

Yeah, and you have Michael Wilson, the once-blacklisted writer, to thank for that refocusing of PLANET's political satire over the bland Serling script.  No Englishman Paul Dehn in sight!

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I think they were $20-$30.  I know for sure they weren't $50.
The diorama that was mentioned was more expensive, but that, too, was much
cheaper about 6 months after POTA2001 hit theatres.

Dan

  I bought the diorama from ebay for something like $2 but paid a lot in postage. Elaine

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Michael

I wish you best of luck with your promotion. You have a lot of talent.

Donna

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [PotaDG] Retirement
>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:40:47 +1100
>
>Thanks everyone.
>
>Hey - I'm not DEAD..I just won't be able to be a co-owner (well I
>shouldn't because Neil will be doing pretty much everything).
>
>I'll be posting - just not as much.
>
>I think that's a good thing - look at all the different people who HAVE
>started posting in the one day since I announced!
>
>I'll be around..
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
>Of itsthewho??
>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2006 1:16 AM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Retirement
>
>I post very,very rarely but i do enjoy reading the posts and also the
>great comics that Michael & Neil produce and i've gotta say that i think
>the list will be a lesser place without Michael Whitty.
>Seems to me he's a guy who is really 'into' this group who contributes
>or rather contributed a lot to it and i reckon the lack of his presence
>will be strongly felt.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steve <mailto:ironman1188@...>
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:00 PM
>Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Retirement
>
>Well, I'm happy for you, but hate to see you go just the same :(
>
>
>
>
>--

.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 6:51:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Thanks everyone.

Hey – I'm not DEAD….I just won't be able to be a co-owner (well I shouldn't because Neil will be doing pretty much everything).



I'll be posting – just not as much.



Well, considering that you've always been a MASSIVE poster (Get it?), I doubt I'll have much chance to miss you, but it wouldn't be the same around here without my Whitty-O-Tang!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 12:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Dehn made mistakes. And I've "unflubbed" 'em!

Yeah, sure...

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.html.html In a message dated 2/4/06 7:00:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

She doesn't!

She successfully sued him for millions after proving he has been responsible for damaging her career after they broke up (blacklisted!).



Michael



Oh, she won that?  I wonder how much she got?  Eastwood hasn't had the greatest relationships with his women.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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I saw on Amazon that the Apes are going to be released in a Planet of
the Apes: The Ultimate DVD Collection as well as a Planet of the Apes
Legacy Boxset. Any one know the difference between the sets with the
exception of the one has the Ape bust???
John

I wish you luck in your new position my friend!!! Yet, I will miss
reading your post on a daily basis. You have been a real friend to
me by helping me to keep caught up on the Apes fan items!!!
John


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Hey - I'm not DEAD..I just won't be able to be a co-owner (well I
> shouldn't because Neil will be doing pretty much everything).
>
> I'll be posting - just not as much.
>
> I think that's a good thing - look at all the different people who

HAVE

> started posting in the one day since I announced!
>
> I'll be around..
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of itsthewho??
> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2006 1:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Retirement
>
> I post very,very rarely but i do enjoy reading the posts and also

the

> great comics that Michael & Neil produce and i've gotta say that i

think

> the list will be a lesser place without Michael Whitty.
> Seems to me he's a guy who is really 'into' this group who

contributes

> or rather contributed a lot to it and i reckon the lack of his

presence

> will be strongly felt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve <mailto:ironman1188@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:00 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Retirement
>
> Well, I'm happy for you, but hate to see you go just the same :(
>
>
>
>
> --
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:05 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Retirement

Hi all.

 

Just to let you know I have loved being here for the past few years.

 

This morning I was offered a promotion on a permanent basis and I accepted.
 
What this means for me personally is more money, more responsibility and without doubt, longer hours.  Unfortunately this will inevitably quite seriously affect the amount of free time I will have left to devote to my favourite subject… Planet of the Apes.
 
What I am determined to do is:
 
1: Finish my commitment to GOING HOME (but not including colouring)

2: Continue to support Simian Scrolls in a much-reduced capacity but to the best of my ability

3: Finish my “Planet of the Apes Begins” story
 
Neil has in his possession two more comic scripts of mine - you are free to use these scripts if you still wish to - although I feel both would benefit from further re-writes.
 
Neil has also seen a number of my stories sent for consideration - These stories remain MINE - If you guys ever want to use them as ideas for future comics then we can discuss it on a story by story basis.
 
What I can no longer do is:
 
1: Be actively involved in the production of any future comic scripts (or the production of any future comic pages).
 
2: Pursue personalities, produce, design and collate the materials required for pages within the POTADG
 
3: Contribute regularly to the various chat groups. (I’ll probably be limited to weekends)
 
I'm sorry if this disappoints any or all of you but I'm sure you can appreciate this is a huge opportunity for me and that I mean to give it my best shot. If I manage to screw things up and get dismissed that’ll be me knocking on the door.
 
Very best wishes to all,

Michael

 

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The "Legacy" collection will only have the movies, not the TV shows (or
the Burton version?). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Apes new DVD release


> I saw on Amazon that the Apes are going to be released in a Planet of
> the Apes: The Ultimate DVD Collection as well as a Planet of the Apes
> Legacy Boxset. Any one know the difference between the sets with the
> exception of the one has the Ape bust???
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:34 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Hmm... will there be a Sondra Locke cameo...?

I read somewhere she got a ridiculous amount between 5-10 million.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2006 11:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Hmm... will there be a Sondra Locke cameo...?

 

In a message dated 2/4/06 7:00:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

She doesn’t!



She successfully sued him for millions after proving he has been responsible for damaging her career after they broke up (blacklisted!).



Michael

Oh, she won that?  I wonder how much she got?  Eastwood hasn't had the greatest relationships with his women.

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In a message dated 2/4/2006 3:04:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

(I'll probably be limited to weekends)

 

Just don't put all your replies in one post.

I don't have time to read all of Pat's as it is.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/4/2006 8:47:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I read somewhere she got a ridiculous amount between 5-10 million.

 

Yikes! 

And I thought The Lee Marvin Palimony case was bad!

 

 

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The artwork in this is absolutely remarkable.

I cannot say I care for the way the characters are doing almost the
opposite to what I would expect them to.

I am a (UK) fan of the tv series and I can't see Burke, Virdon or
Galen saying the things they do here. If you like I can help by
taking the text you write and making it sound more like it would be if
these characters were delivering the lines.

I like the way the humans have the heads-on-sticks and seem to be
more "human" but I wish you had left the Burke, Virdon and Galen
characters as we know and love them.

Valda

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
>
> Neil
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hi all.
>
> Just to let you know I have loved being here for the past few

years.

>
> This morning I was offered a promotion on a permanent basis and I
> accepted.
>
> What this means for me personally is more money, more

responsibility and

> without doubt, longer hours. Unfortunately this will inevitably

quite

> seriously affect the amount of free time I will have left to

devote to

> my favourite subject. Planet of the Apes.
>
> What I am determined to do is:
>
> 1: Finish my commitment to GOING HOME (but not including colouring)
>
> 2: Continue to support Simian Scrolls in a much-reduced capacity

but to

> the best of my ability
>
> 3: Finish my "Planet of the Apes Begins" story
>
> Neil has in his possession two more comic scripts of mine - you

are free

> to use these scripts if you still wish to - although I feel both

would

> benefit from further re-writes.
>
> Neil has also seen a number of my stories sent for consideration -

These

> stories remain MINE - If you guys ever want to use them as ideas

for

> future comics then we can discuss it on a story by story basis.
>
> What I can no longer do is:
>
> 1: Be actively involved in the production of any future comic

scripts

> (or the production of any future comic pages).
>
> 2: Pursue personalities, produce, design and collate the materials
> required for pages within the POTADG
>
> 3: Contribute regularly to the various chat groups. (I'll probably

be

> limited to weekends)
>
> I'm sorry if this disappoints any or all of you but I'm sure you

can

> appreciate this is a huge opportunity for me and that I mean to

give it

> my best shot. If I manage to screw things up and get dismissed

that'll

> be me knocking on the door.
>
> Very best wishes to all,
>
>
> Michael
>

Best of luck Michael, but admit it ,this is so you can watch
more cricket :)
Best wishes Graham.

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.html.html In a message dated 2/5/06 1:16:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Too bad the "Apes" DVDs don't arrive next Tuesday, the day before the 38th anniversary. - - - Jeff

We need to start a MASSIVE letter writing campaign to remind Fox that Feb. 8, 2008 is the 40th Anniversary.  That's when we need the kind of extras we want -- and in High Definition!

We need to start this now.  Those of you that don't yet have HD or Progressive scan TVs (especially those in 16x9) can skip these new DVDs coming out at the end of March -- unless you just have to have the cartoon show.  Better to put all your money into stamps and start sending letters every week.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Chris Lawford sent this to me acouple of weeks ago.

Might make a good group project!

Any suckers out there with lots of cash?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael.Whitty@...
Subject: Atari 2600

Check this out BTW:

http://www.atariprotos.com/2600/software/planetoftheapes/planetoftheapes.htm

Looks like it really did exist. Too bad no one grabbed it off of eBay when
it was listed.


Chris L.

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The artwork in this is absolutely remarkable.

I cannot say I care for the way the characters are doing almost the
opposite to what I would expect them to.

I am a (UK) fan of the tv series and I can't see Burke, Virdon or
Galen saying the things they do here.  If you like I can help by
taking the text you write and making it sound more like it would be if
these characters were delivering the lines.

I like the way the humans have the heads-on-sticks and seem to be
more "human" but I wish you had left the Burke, Virdon and Galen
characters as we know and love them.

Valda

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
>
> Neil

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In a message dated 2/5/06 1:16:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Too bad the "Apes" DVDs don't arrive next Tuesday, the day before the 38th anniversary. - - - Jeff

We need to start a MASSIVE letter writing campaign to remind Fox that Feb. 8, 2008 is the 40th Anniversary.  That's when we need the kind of extras we want -- and in High Definition!

We need to start this now.  Those of you that don't yet have HD or Progressive scan TVs (especially those in 16x9) can skip these new DVDs coming out at the end of March -- unless you just have to have the cartoon show.  Better to put all your money into stamps and start sending letters every week.

-- Rory

.html.html In a message dated 2/5/06 7:26:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Thanks Rory.

I'd ask you to share your letter with the group so people could use that as a template, but I might offend you so if anyone else wants to help out with a template letter please feel free.


I haven't composed it yet, but I'll get around to it.<.html <.html

The number of gorilla corpses that Burke is seeing in San Francisco
is alarming. I'd think Urko would give greater priority to humans in
full-scale revolt than to Galen and the astronauts.

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In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:27:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Anyone have any idea what the hell this is?

 

It's a bad psychedelic album.

I want to know who did the masks.

 

 

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.html.html In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:09:53 PM Central Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

The number of gorilla corpses that Burke is seeing in San Francisco 
is alarming. I'd think Urko would give greater priority to humans in 
full-scale revolt than to Galen and the astronauts.

Very true... Especially since San Fransico was the sight of "The Trap", you'd think that "maybe" they would have stepped up patrols around that area just to keep more humans from possibly finding out "the terrible secret" that city holds...

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.html.html In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:30:27 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Are they Don Post masks or background masks (can't tell from this picture)?

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In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:09:53 PM Central Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

The number of gorilla corpses that Burke is seeing in San Francisco 
is alarming. I'd think Urko would give greater priority to humans in 
full-scale revolt than to Galen and the astronauts.

Very true... Especially since San Fransico was the sight of "The Trap", you'd think that "maybe" they would have stepped up patrols around that area just to keep more humans from possibly finding out "the terrible secret" that city hol

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In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:30:27 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Are they Don Post masks or background masks (can't tell from this picture)?

Yeah, those are the Don Post masks... <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>
> I would have thought that's WHY it has become a "Forbidden Area".
>
> The apes are told that there are strange goings on - and obviously

the ones

> who go in don't come back.
>
> It makes sense to me that the apes are discouraged from going in AT

ALL so

> that nobody discovers the terrible secret....
>
> My assistant Nigel is about to get fired!
>
> Michael

Don't fire anyone, keep the story coming. Give us 19, 20 and as many as
can be had!!
Please!!!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>
> I would have thought

that's WHY it has become a "Forbidden Area".

> 
> The apes are

told that there are strange goings on - and obviously
the ones

> who

go in don't come back.

> 
> It makes sense to me that the apes

are discouraged from going in AT
ALL so

> that nobody discovers the

terrible secret....

> 
> My assistant Nigel is about to get

fired!

>
> Michael

Don't fire anyone, keep the story coming. Give us 19, 20 and as many as
can be had!!
Please!!!<.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/5/2006 11:24:01 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

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In a message dated 2/5/2006 11:24:01 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

It makes sense to me that the apes are discouraged from going in AT ALL so that nobody discovers the terrible secret....
 


Yeah, but they could possibly step up security "surrounding" the area to keep humans from finding out as well... <.html

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In a message dated 2/5/2006 11:22:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Yeah, those are the Don Post masks...

Do they still make them?

I didn't know they did a Zira.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "itsthewho??" <itsthewho@...> wrote:

> and i've gotta say that i think the list will be a lesser place

without Michael Whitty.

--Yes it will, I don't think I know another person who works so hard
behind the scenes to get POTA things happening and brought to us
fans with such dedication and sheer bloody mindedness!

> Seems to me he's a guy who is really 'into' this group who

contributes or rather contributed a lot to it and i reckon the lack
of his presence will be strongly felt.

-- And by none more than me! It is a lot of hard work to keep this
group (plus all of it's satellite groups) fresh and an on-going
concern. Way too much for one person to deal with so if any one
wants to jump in and help out by becoming a moderator / owner please
drop me a line and let me know!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:

> PMT you really have to stop all this and go and do something else.
> Are you, like, gaffer taped to a tv and keyboard or what?

Wow Mark great to hear from you after all this time. What a pity
though that your post couldn't have been a bit more friendly and
interesting, bit of a long wait to hear just an insult.

By the way you didn't even qoute the right person, Patrick didn't post
those comments, they were in his reply to another post!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> No Englishman Paul Dehn in sight!

-- No matter how much you hate Dehn you have to give him some credit.
If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have many of the Apes characters, no
Caesar, no Amando etc. etc.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> I like that last line the way it is, actually. Besides, Pete

already made a crack that referenced Yorick in "Up Above the World
So High" so if you did the same here some might accuse you of
lifting too much from the TV show.

-- Very true!

> This page and the previous one look absolutely fantastic. Great

attention to detail, Neil. Even though the story doesn't advance
much on these pages, it's worth it to take the time to see the
horrors the SF humans have visited upon the apes who have crossed
their paths. This is the sort of context I was looking for earlier
in the story, to better understand who these people are.

-- Thanks Greg.

> I'd be remiss if I didn't note that their fickle side is showing

again, though. Two pages ago they said restraints were no longer
necessary for Pete, and now they've gone ahead and thrown him in a
cell! Okay, so maybe Mustapha doesn't have a proper waiting room,
but still! Way to welcome the guy into the tribe! :)

-- Simple answer to this one Greg. He may have won over the rebels
who were with him and witnessed the 'incident' but he is still
Mustapha's prisoner and as such is going to be held as a prisoner
until the big man himself says whether he can be trusted or not.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> No Englishman Paul Dehn in sight!

-- No matter how much you hate Dehn you have to give him some credit.
If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have many of the Apes characters, no
Caesar, no Amando etc. etc.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

> WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP....

eBay: ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES Trinket Box (item 7587385108
end time Feb-09-06 15:48:13 PST)

-- Absolutely! You would think that they would have more chance of
making some money if they tried it with something other than 'Apes'!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> She successfully sued him for millions after proving he has been
> responsible for damaging her career after they broke up

(blacklisted!).

-- So has she written an autobiography? Seems like everyone else has
and if so does it mention her role in the TV show or is it something
she would rather forget about?

Neil