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Group: potadg Message: 36774 From: tshaf37@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36775 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36776 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: A few movie questions?
Group: potadg Message: 36777 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
Group: potadg Message: 36778 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Covers
Group: potadg Message: 36779 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Neil's POTA DVD Cover
Group: potadg Message: 36780 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
Group: potadg Message: 36781 From: dspires501 Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Going Home
Group: potadg Message: 36782 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36783 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36784 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: A few movie questions?
Group: potadg Message: 36785 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
Group: potadg Message: 36786 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36787 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
Group: potadg Message: 36788 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Going Home Finale
Group: potadg Message: 36789 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
Group: potadg Message: 36790 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
Group: potadg Message: 36791 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Neil's POTA DVD Cover
Group: potadg Message: 36792 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36793 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36794 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Found in Library book!
Group: potadg Message: 36795 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36796 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
Group: potadg Message: 36797 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Found in Library book!
Group: potadg Message: 36798 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
Group: potadg Message: 36799 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Found in Library book!
Group: potadg Message: 36800 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36801 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
Group: potadg Message: 36802 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
Group: potadg Message: 36803 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36804 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36805 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36806 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36807 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36808 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36809 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36810 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36811 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36812 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36813 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36814 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36815 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36816 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36817 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/12/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36818 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36819 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36820 From: Neil Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36821 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
Group: potadg Message: 36822 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36823 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36824 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Apes album
Group: potadg Message: 36825 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36826 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36827 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Depressing CRAP!
Group: potadg Message: 36828 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing CRAP!
Group: potadg Message: 36829 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36830 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36831 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36832 From: Neil Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: The Eagle
Group: potadg Message: 36833 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Eagle landed?
Group: potadg Message: 36834 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36835 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Eagle landed?
Group: potadg Message: 36836 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36837 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Eagle landed?
Group: potadg Message: 36838 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36839 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36840 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36841 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: KARMA!
Group: potadg Message: 36842 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Apes Album
Group: potadg Message: 36843 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36844 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36845 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Apes Album
Group: potadg Message: 36846 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
Subject: Re: Apes Album
Group: potadg Message: 36847 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Apes Album
Group: potadg Message: 36848 From: Neil Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Apes Album
Group: potadg Message: 36849 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36850 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36851 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: BTB 01
Group: potadg Message: 36852 From: Neil Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 36853 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2
Group: potadg Message: 36854 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: BTB 02
Group: potadg Message: 36855 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2
Group: potadg Message: 36856 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36857 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/14/2006
Subject: Marvel UK issue 70
Group: potadg Message: 36858 From: Neil Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 70
Group: potadg Message: 36859 From: Neil Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36860 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 36861 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 36862 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 36863 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36864 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
Group: potadg Message: 36865 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
Group: potadg Message: 36866 From: canadianapefandan Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
Group: potadg Message: 36867 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: New fanzine project
Group: potadg Message: 36868 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
Group: potadg Message: 36869 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 36870 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: DVD Covers
Group: potadg Message: 36871 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: DVD Covers
Group: potadg Message: 36872 From: Neil Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
Group: potadg Message: 36873 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
Subject: Re: DVD Covers



Group: potadg Message: 36774 From: tshaf37@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
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.html OK, Fox's release of Battle for the Planet of the apes runs 86 minutes. That means it's 1 hour and sixteen minutes. Now, My uncut version is 1 hour 37 min, so in my mind they are leaving dialog out of the movie and leaving in the Alpha Omega Bomb. The chase scene I have with the Teacher is at least 4 min longer than Fox's' version and a lot more dialog. So my version is 21 minutes longer. I have heard the new release version will be one hour 23 minutes, if that's true it's still 14 minutes shorter then my version. Like I said leave it up too Fox to screw this up.<.html
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Group: potadg Message: 36775 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
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86 minutes is actually an hour and twenty-six minutes, not an hour and 16 minutes.
 
The running time on the DVD of the extended version that Hunter made, which has the Japanese laserdisc as it's source, is 1 hour, 36 minutes and 15 seconds (I rounded to full minutes when I answered the question earlier and because 15 seconds is less than half a minute, I rounded down). That's from frame one of the film until the credits end and the screen goes black. As I recall, Hunter compared the Japanese LD to the broadcast version of the extended Battle that Fox Movie Channel was showing. They were identical in length, but the LD version was superior in color and sound, so that's the one he went with when he authored the DVD. I've got a video tape of the broadcast version somewhere, I'll pull that out later and see if it actually runs a minute longer than the Japanese LD, but I'd be surprised. 
 
I just saw that DVD Planet is listing the run length as 93 minutes (or one hour thirty-three minutes). Digital Bits noted that it was 92 minutes (one hour 32 minutes). At least one of these numbers is wrong, and they could both be wrong. We won't really know until we have the new disc in hand, I suppose, but if I saw the same spec in a few more places I'd tend to believe it. There's nothing on the Fox Home Entertainment site for this yet, so it's a little early to conclude Fox has screwed this up.
 
Greg

tshaf37@... wrote:
OK, Fox's release of Battle for the Planet of the apes runs 86 minutes. That means it's 1 hour and sixteen minutes. Now, My uncut version is 1 hour 37 min, so in my mind they are leaving dialog out of the movie and leaving in the Alpha Omega Bomb. The chase scene I have with the Teacher is at least 4 min longer than Fox's' version and a lot more dialog. So my version is 21 minutes longer. I have heard the new release version will be one hour 23 minutes, if that's true it's still 14 minutes shorter then my version. Like I said leave it up too Fox to screw this up.
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Group: potadg Message: 36776 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: A few movie questions?
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/4/06 12:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > Dehn made mistakes. And I've "unflubbed" 'em!
>
> Yeah, sure...
>
> And apes can speak!
>

*** They sure as hell can on the Planet of the Apes!

Patrick
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Group: potadg Message: 36777 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/7/06 4:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> nfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > How about we all list our top 5 DVD and video covers used for
each of the movies? I would be very interested to know which ones
fellow fans hold in high regard (if any!)
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
> As far as I'm concerned.... THEY ALL SUCK!
>
>
> Now I guess you want me to explain.....
> BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL POSTERS!
> KEEP IT ORIGINAL!!!!
>
> -- Rory

*** Personally, I wish that every DVD release would use original
poster art as the cover, rather than some photoshopped melange of
imagery. Even if that means the wretched "BATTLE" poster for a DVD
release. Hell, they make coffee table books devoted to movie poster
art from back-in-the-day... movie poster art is as much a part of
the "art" of the motion picture as the actual film, in certain
respects.

Patrick
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Group: potadg Message: 36778 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Covers
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:
>
> What else you got in the closet Rorster?
>
> Michael

*** Mike, "in the closet"? Just like you to ask, you Bloke's Back
Mountin' cowboy, you... ;)

Patrick
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Group: potadg Message: 36779 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Neil's POTA DVD Cover
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That looks great.
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Group: potadg Message: 36780 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'd very much like Patrick to get involved too - Patrick has taken
a fair bit of abuse but he is passionate and he can tell a story.
>
> Michael
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Group: potadg Message: 36781 From: dspires501 Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Going Home
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I am commenting to part one.

Donna

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Are you commenting on my comments in the next 2 parts of the TV
Show
> comic Donna?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of DONNA SPIRES
> Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2006 5:08 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Going Home
>
> Great work. The artwork and the script is excellent. This is
better
> than a
> soap opera. Keeps me wanting more. Keep it up.
>
> Donna
>
> --
>
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Group: potadg Message: 36782 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
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.html.html In a message dated 2/11/06 10:28:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:


OK, Fox's release of Battle for the Planet of the apes runs 86 minutes. That means it's 1 hour and sixteen minutes. Now, My uncut version is 1 hour 37 min, so in my mind they are leaving dialog out of the movie and leaving in the Alpha Omega Bomb. The chase scene I have with the Teacher is at least 4 min longer than Fox's' version and a lot more dialog. So my version is 21 minutes longer. I have heard the new release version will be one hour 23 minutes, if that's true it's still 14 minutes shorter then my version. Like I said leave it up too Fox to screw this up.


I don't understand what all the posts on this subject are about, but let me try to clear this up.

The theatrical version of BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES runs 86 minutes and 21 seconds.  This is the time on the DVD, and is quoted in the books "POTA as American Myth" and "POTA Revisited."

The extended version of BATTLE runs 96 minutes and 6 seconds.  This is the time on my DVD made from the Japanese laserdisc.

So, there you go.

-- Rory

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Group: potadg Message: 36783 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
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.html.html In a message dated 2/11/06 11:06:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:


I just saw that DVD Planet is listing the run length as 93 minutes (or one hour thirty-three minutes). Digital Bits noted that it was 92 minutes (one hour 32 minutes). At least one of these numbers is wrong, and they could both be wrong. We won't really know until we have the new disc in hand, I suppose, but if I saw the same spec in a few more places I'd tend to believe it. There's nothing on the Fox Home Entertainment site for this yet, so it's a little early to conclude Fox has screwed this up.

Greg


I contacted The Digital Bits to inform them that the extended version was the one that was going to be released.  At that time I told them it was 92 minutes because I merely looked it up in "Leonard Maltin's Movie & Video Guide," which is usually a very accurate source, but in this case it turns out they're wrong. 

I've just gotten out my DVDs of both versions and looked at them and I just sent a post of this subject.

We're a few seconds apart as to the running time of the extended version, but basically it's a little over 96 minutes.  I don't know why Fox is listing it as 93 minutes, but I think in the end it'll turn out to be 96 minutes and a few seconds.

-- Rory
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Group: potadg Message: 36784 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: A few movie questions?
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.html.html In a message dated 2/11/06 11:42:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/4/06 12:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> >  Dehn made mistakes. And I've "unflubbed" 'em!
>
> Yeah, sure...
>
> And apes can speak!
>

*** They sure as hell can on the Planet of the Apes!

Patrick


OK, Patrick, the first post from you in a couple weeks and it's in response to me.  Give it a rest.

-- Rory
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Group: potadg Message: 36785 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
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.html.html In a message dated 2/11/06 11:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


*** Personally, I wish that every DVD release would use original
poster art as the cover, rather than some photoshopped melange of
imagery. Even if that means the wretched "BATTLE" poster for a DVD
release. Hell, they make coffee table books devoted to movie poster
art from back-in-the-day... movie poster art is as much a part of
the "art" of the motion picture as the actual film, in certain
respects.

Patrick


GOOD LORD!!!  Patrick respecting something original about POTA?!!!  Has the revolution begun and the world turning topsy-turvy?

-- Rory
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Group: potadg Message: 36786 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: BATTLE RUNNING TIME
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And I can’t work out for the life of me where the extended edition is going to BE.  Is it the flip side of standard Battle ?  Does it REPLACE Standard Battle?

 

As Rory said – unless they are using Hunter’s version as the master (and what would be the point of that?), they HAVE been PLANNING to do this for some time.

 

A hell of a lot of this does not make sense.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: BATTLE RUNNING TIME

 

I can't find anything definitive about the running time on the new DVD. The story on Digital Bits mentions a 92 minute running time, but doesn't say if that's a spec from Fox. Amazon doesn't have the individual disc release listed yet, and the Fox home entertainment site doesn't have it listed yet, either.

 

Greg

Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski wrote:

> 1 hour 36 minutes.

-- Thanks Greg. So the version Hunter fixed up from the LD clocks in
at 96 minutes. Do we know how long the new Fox extended version will
go for?

I would like to know if Fox are giving us all the deleted scenes or
just the bomb ones, they better not rip us off!

Neil


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Group: potadg Message: 36787 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/11/2006
Subject: Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...
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I like this Patrick.

 

And Neil’s a whore – ANY story is his kinda story.  J

 

“JUST NO MORE SHIP INTERIORS”  J

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 5:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick's idea for a POTADG comic...

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> I'd very much like Patrick to get involved too - Patrick has taken
a fair bit of abuse but he is passionate and he can tell a story.
>
> Michael
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*** I don't know if this idea would gel well with any other story
ideas here, but here's one that some a-youse apes might think
interesting...

In the Caesar-dominated era following "BATTLE", the guns are still
kept away from the citizens, though preserved in case of any future
attack by Mutants.

In 2670, the descendants of Caesar's peacenik group would probably
still have that Armory, but they seem to have had little-to-no need
of it.

The gorillas (as I've mentioned a bunch of times before) do NOT seem
to be included in this group.

Eventually, gorillas DO rejoin the Chimp/Orang/Human group... but at
some point the Humans are repressed and forced into servitude, so
that things degenerate to the point we see them in 3085.

My idea for a POTA comic involves HOW the gorillas insinuate
themselves into the Chimp/Orang/Human group. They do so by using
GUNS. But not the guns that have been kept in the Armory (those guns
were hand-me-downs from Pre-Nuke War times). The guns that the
Gorillas are seen to use in the TV show era (and, later, in "PLANET"
and "BENEATH") are Ape-made weapons. Specifically, Gorilla-made
weapons.

How might gorillas have learned how to make their own guns?

Idea: at some point, the Mutant society -- perhaps led by somebody
named Mendez XI, almost halfway between the Mendez in "BATTLE" and
Mendez XXVI from "BENEATH" -- realizes that the populations of Apes
and Humans on the surface world is growing too high for their own
liking. Mendez XI wants to find a way to set them at each others'
throats -- you know, like how the 'Negro' tells Brent and Taylor, "We
don't kill our enemies; we get our enemies to kill each other."

So... the Mutants find a way to teach (telepathically, perhaps) one
of the brute, splitter Gorillas how to make a Gun and ammunition for
it -- maybe "retro-engineering" a rifle or pistol some gorilla found
somewhere, that sort of thing. The Mutants also use their telepathic
abilities to get a sense of the rift between the Gorillas and the
other Apes, all over the Human issue.

Thus, using Gorilla anti-Human prejudices for their own ends, the
Mutants help the Gorillas to arm themselves with self-made Guns that
fire Gorilla-made ammo... and give them the telepathic prompting to
set 'em on a collision course with the virtually unarmed
Chimp/Orang/Human group. This would be CENTURIES after the last time
guns had ever been used by this group of peaceniks, so that even
though they know they've got an Armory full of guns, they've
neglected to TRAIN in the use and the upkeep of these things.

The story could start out with the final line of the nice Lawgiver
from "BATTLE", in answer to the question: "Lawgiver, who knows about
the Future?"... "Perhaps only the Dead."

Pan to the right... to the weeping statue of Caesar...

Cut to a shot of a gorilla living a harsher existence, clad in less
refined clothing than the traditional leather garb we saw
in "BATTLE". He's armed with a bow-&-arrow. He and his fellow
gorillas have had to resort to carnivorism to stay alive. They wear
the skins of the animals they've hunted for food.

They're on the other side of the ruins of the Forbidden City from the
treefort 'Ape City', south of it.

Out of nowhere, a huge Fire flares up...It begins to Thunder...
there's Lightning... but it doesn't rain. There's a strange, violent
earthquake...

And, when the Illusions are over, the leader of this gorilla tribe
has vanished. He's brought to the old APE MANAGEMENT area, where Kolp
had set up his "control room" to oversee the city when he ran things
after the Nuke War.

Using their mind-control techniques, these Mutants are able to
interrogate this gorilla... but, instead of killing him (or, having
another captured gorilla and him kill each other), they decide to
hatch their own plot to stir up discord in the populations of Apes
and Humans on the surface.

After giving this gorilla the knowledge of Gun-making (and Ammo-
making), they set him loose again... and he willingly goes about
fulfilling his own desire to subjugate the Chimp/Orang/Human group,
so that Gorillas are in control of all Apedom (and Humans forced into
subservience)...

.... but he also plots to lead an army of armed Gorillas back into the
Forbidden City, so that he can "bite-the-hand-that-armed-him" so to
speak. When he does so, Mendez XI is forced to lead his own people
(and their beloved Doomsday Bomb) on a sojourn out of Breck's/Kolp's
city... through the underground military tunnel system that had been
used before "BATTLE" to get the Bomb to that city in the first
place... towards a new home, far far away from the California region
where they had stirred things up perhaps TOO far...

I would set this story around 2750 or so. Just before the writing of
the SACRED SCROLLS (c. 2755, or 1,200 years before 3955). Part of the
transformation of Ape Society at this point would be the re-writing
of Ape History so as to either whitewash the story of Aldo, or to
erase Caesar & Aldo (etc) from History entirely. A new "Creation"
myth would be concocted, and the new 'history' would essentially
begin then-and-there. From thenceforth, Ape History would acknowledge
no prior culture earlier than the time of THIS new, anti-Human
Lawgiver. When Galen says that Apes have ALWAYS ruled the world, it
will be based on a calendar that dates back to 2755 only. His society
will not have been taught anything about Caesar, or about the prior
Human culture that once ruled the Earth.

One other thing: the way I kinda/sorta imagine Mendez XI is that the
nice Mendez (from "BATTLE") put the crazy notion into Alma's mind
that the Doomsday Bomb should be venerated...

.... and Alma, pregnant with Kolp's child, is bent enough to actually
put her Faith, her Belief, in that Bomb God...

Mendez, in this story idea, is a fledgling telepath. He uses his
telepathic abilities to 'massage' the susceptible minds of his fellow
losers into Believing in this new Bomb God. Think of it as a sort of
Conditioning, using Positive Reinforcement. He stimulates their
mental 'satisfaction' centers when they contemplate the Bomb as "God".

When Alma's preborn fetus develops sufficiently, Mendez establishes a
telepathic link to that developing brain...

.... and he imprints his own Personality, Memories, and Thoughts into
that fetal brain. He hijacks the mind of that fetus, as a form of
self-reincarnation. His adult body, now Mindless, goes into a coma
and eventually dies. Mendez lives on in his NEW body, being born to
Alma already able to speak and think. His new incarnation, then, is
as Mendez II. Thus begins the dynasty of the Mendez line: all 26
of 'em are the SAME personality, but with each successive
incarnation, it's like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy...
not all of his memories survive the transition from Old to New, from
dying adult to preborn fetus.

He reincarnates sorta like how Buddhists consider the Dalai Lama to
be the incarnation of the Buddha. He alone is thought to be special,
to be called "Your Holiness" (as Caspay calls Mendez XXVI). But his
mind is altered with each reincarnation. Whereas Mendez the First did
not worship the Bomb -- only using his telepathic abilities to coax
the other so-called Mutants into venerating it -- the fact that his
next incarnation begins within the womb of Alma, the developing mind
of that newly-hijacked mind is in a kind of mental contact with its
own mother. Alma's madness, her belief in the Bomb as God, INFECTS
the mind of Mendez II, so that Mendez unexpectedly becomes a believer
in a religion he knew was false. He didn't intend to be a believer,
too, but this changes when Alma's madness infects the mind of the
fetus. Much of Mendez's memories and personality traits carry over
into the mind of Mendez II, but not all...

Thus, the dynasty of the Mendez line (as I imagine it) goes something
like this (chronology-wise), with each incarnation lasting, on
average, about 78 years [actually, 78.1974284 years, for only one
reason I happen to dig: the "bad luck" number 13 squared is 169, and
169 squared is 28,561; if each Mendez incarnation were to last 28,561
days (on average), then dividing that by 365.24219 gives 78.1974284
years-per-incarnation. This is my way of working in 26 generations of
Mendezes from "BATTLE" to "BENEATH", a period of 1,937 years, from
the end of the life of Mendez I to the end of the life of Mendez XXVI:

Mendez (the First): c. 1955-ish to 2019 [he "re-incarnates" at 64
years of age or so, depending on whether or not he's born in 1955 or
some other year]
Mendez II: 2019 to 2097 [Year of the Bomb 13 to 91]
Mendez III: 2097 to 2175 [YB 91 to 169]
Mendez IV: 2175 to 2253 [YB 169 to 247]
Mendez V: 2253 to 2331 [YB 247 to 325]
Mendez VI: 2331 to 2409 [YB 325 to 403]
Mendez VII: 2409 to 2488 [YB 403 to 482]
Mendez VIII: 2488 to 2566 [YB 482 to 560]
Mendez IX: 2566 to 2644 [YB 560 to 638]
Mendez X: 2644 to 2722 [YB 638 to 716]
Mendez XI: 2722 to 2800 [YB 716 to 794; this one is the guy who
teaches the marauding gorillas how to make Guns and Ammunition, when
he himself is about 28 years of age, c. 2750, or YB 744]
Mendez XII: 2800 to 2879 [YB 794 to 873]
Mendez XIII: 2879 to 2957 [YB 873 to 951]
Mendez XIV: 2957 to 3035 [YB 951 to 1029]
Mendez XV: 3035 to 3113 [YB 1029 to 1107]
Mendez XVI: 3113 to 3191 [YB 1107 to 1185]
Mendez XVII: 3191 to 3270 [YB 1185 to 1264]
Mendez XVIII: 3270 to 3348 [YB 1264 to 1342]
Mendez XIX: 3348 to 3426 [YB 1342 to 1420]
Mendez XX: 3426 to 3504 [YB 1420 to 1498]
Mendez XXI: 3504 to 3582 [YB 1498 to 1576]
Mendez XXII: 3582 to 3661 [YB 1576 to 1655]
Mendez XXIII: 3661 to 3739 [YB 1655 to 1733]
Mendez XXIV: 3739 to 3817 [YB 1733 to 1811]
Mendez XXV: 3817 to 3895 [YB 1811 to 1889]
Mendez XXVI: 3895 to 3955 [YB 1889 to 1949: he dies at age 60,
prematurely, having intended to incarnate as Mendez XXVII around A.D.
3973/YB 1967].

I'll end this already longish post right here, and let you all mull
it over, criticize the idea, applaud it, whatever the case may be.
This story would have lots of Apes in it... it'd have Mutants and
Humans, too. The gorillas, at first, would be carnivorous ones, like
the ones who left their bones in that Cave over near the Ape City
location from the 1st two movies.

Tentative title: "ARMS AND THE APE" This is an "aping" of the famous
title "Arms and the Man", which goes back to the opening line of the
epic poem "THE AENEID", "Arma virumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab
oris..." [translation: "Arms and the man I sing, who first from the
shores of Troy..."]. The plot of this story would be about the arming
of the Gorillas, of course, and their use of them to conquer the
peacenik Apes (to "free" them of their unholy alliance with evil
Humans) and to subjugate Mankind. "ARMS AND THE APE"... I kinda like
it.

I wonder if Neil would like to draw this kinda story?

Patrick


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It certainly could.

 

But I don’t see James Naughton ever returning to do guest appearances (or Roddy , or Mark Lenard!) and I would want this trilogy to enable a “Sci-Fi Channel” revamp if it sells out in the UK or something.

 

Really, I can only see Booth and Ron being involved and it also gives closure to the actual passing of Roddy and Mark if those two characters die before we step into what I say as a new place the TV Show could start.

 

Michael

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:45 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Going Home Finale

 

I understand that, but Alan's son teaming with Burke, who tried to
save his father, against the rest of the apes......well that could
work too, don't you think?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thing is Steve, it's time.

> Everyone dies, some time.

> This is going to show how Pete dies, and it is obviously going to be
> standing up for his friend.  Pete's not the kinda guy who would let
> someone indoctrinate him against a friend.  He's like most
Aussies.  You
> might hate us Neil :-), but seriously we DO stick by our mates,
don't
> we?  Like a loyal dog! :-)

> That's the one redeeming thing about the TV Show.  As predictable as
> these guys are, they are consistent.  And they are genuinely nice
guys.
> The problem is, the TV Show does not demonstrate how nice guys can
do
> nasty things.  That's why I think the characters are one-
dimensional.
> They are the "white hat cowboys".  I like my cowboys with black
hats.
> Or pink ones like in Brokeback Mountain!  :-)

> Pete will discover that Galen has been planning to return to Central
> City.  It will be presented to Pete by Mustapha and Pete will
believe
> it.  He will, of course, get angry.  Mustapha will continue to
attempt
> to brainwash Pete against his friend.  But Pete will just play
Mustapha,
> of course.  And it will cost Pete his life.  ie by staying true he
will
> pay the ultimate price.  It will be touching - it SHOULD be
touching.

> Further tragedy will unfold when Galen, still thinking Alan is gone,
> discovers the humans have murdered Pete.

> This will be the straw that breaks Galen and sends him down a path
of
> vengeance.  Very much in the tradition of Josey Wales, Galen will
seek
> revenge on all humans.

> To make this more believable, I am thinking that Galen's dad will be
> murdered by Urko (who will blame it on humans) and he will return to
> Central City only in time to make his mother's wake (or funeral - a
la
> the funeral in PLANET).  Galen will be abandoned - his two friends
gone
> and his parents gone.  All he will live for is revenge.

> Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Alan and Chris will set about
training an
> army.  The first pages of issue #2 "RUNNING UP THAT HILL", starts
with
> the battle 20 years later between Galen's army and Alan's/Chris's
army.
> Of course, each of them believes the other to be dead.

> By the end of "RUNNING UP THAT HILL" it will be a story about apes
vs
> humans and Chris, his female companion and their Gorilla pacifist
friend
> (who was outcast from gorilla society).  And that's where the new
> adventures begin..

> Michael


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I like this Patrick.




Of course I don't like it.  I hate anything to do with mutants or anything that's centered on the gorillas and their boneheaded antics.  It's all so juvenile.

-- Rory
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And I can't work out for the life of me where the extended edition is going to BE.  Is it the flip side of standard Battle?  Does it REPLACE Standard Battle?




As Rory said – unless they are using Hunter's version as the master (and what would be the point of that?), they HAVE been PLANNING to do this for some time.



A hell of a lot of this does not make sense.



Michael



I don't understand what doesn't make sense to you, Michael.  This extended version of BATTLE has been around since the late seventies.  It's offically known as the "TV version" and it has always been 96 minutes, it's just that that running time info has been forgotten or not paid attention to.

What's not to understand is why Fox never before put the TV version out on home video, only on that Japanese box set.

-- Rory
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    i'm glad yoou used Ursus for the BEneath cover.....I'm
    tired of people putting Roddy as Cornelius on video
    covers when he wan't even in the damn thing and
    Cornelius was a minor character.....I think Virgil is
    a good representation of Battle

    Tim

    --- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

    >
    > Just to show how my concept for the DVD covers is
    > meant to all tie in,
    > here are quick thumbnails of Beneath and Conquest.
    > I have been trying to decide between Virgil or Aldo
    > for Battle. I am
    > leaning towards using Aldo as that way the sequel
    > covers will all have
    > darker background colours than the one for Planet,
    > making Planet part of
    > the over all design/look and at the same a stand
    > alone.
    >
    >
    > Neil
    >
    >


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    was it this group talking about the psychodelic Apes
    LP with the Don Post masks on the cover....It just
    sold for $152 on ebay

    Tim



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    Did Mark Smolen win it?

     

    Michael

     

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    Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:27 PM
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    Subject: [PotaDG] Apes album

     

    was it this group talking about the psychodelic Apes
    LP with the Don Post masks on the cover....It just
    sold for $152 on ebay

    Tim


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      not sure....someone named "greenman 5"

      --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

      > Did Mark Smolen win it?
      >
      > Michael
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > Of Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:27 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Apes album
      >
      > was it this group talking about the psychodelic Apes
      > LP with the Don Post masks on the cover....It just
      > sold for $152 on ebay
      >
      > Tim
      >
      > --
      >


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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:
      >
      > In a message dated 2/11/06 11:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
      > patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
      >
      >
      > *** Personally, I wish that every DVD release would use original
      poster art as the cover, rather than some photoshopped melange of
      imagery. Even if that means the wretched "BATTLE" poster for a DVD
      release. Hell, they make coffee table books devoted to movie poster
      art from back-in-the-day... movie poster art is as much a part of
      the "art" of the motion picture as the actual film, in certain
      respects.
      > >
      > > Patrick
      > >
      >
      > GOOD LORD!!! Patrick respecting something original about POTA?!!!
      Has the revolution begun and the world turning topsy-turvy?
      >
      > -- Rory

      ---------------------------------------------------------------

      *** Seeing as how I love "PLANET" (1968), and virtually everything in
      it was original, it isn't new for me to respect it. As it is, I was
      referring (above, regarding the use of original movie poster art for
      DVDs) in general terms, not exclusively POTA-related. For example,
      the movie poster for "LOGAN'S RUN" is one of my favorites, and there
      are 2 DVD versions out there, one with a photoshopped melange cover
      and the other with the original poster; I have both of 'em, but only
      because the movie poster cover version came out AFTER the other one.
      I didn't need 2 DVDs of "LOGAN'S RUN", but I got the 2nd one just to
      have the original movie poster art. Don't weep for me, though: it was
      only about $6.99, in the discount bin!

      Patrick
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        This is fantastic! Any more on the following page?
         
        Greg

        Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:
         
        Neil 8-)
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:
        >
        > In a message dated 2/11/06 5:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
        > whitty@... writes:
        >
        >
        > > I like this Patrick.
        >
        > Of course I don't like it. I hate anything to do with mutants or
        anything that's centered on the gorillas and their boneheaded
        antics. It's all so juvenile.
        >
        > -- Rory

        *** Give it a rest, Rory. ;)

        One question, though: would you consider the "Dawn of Man" sequence
        of "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY" to be juvenile? Essentially, what happens
        in that sequence is not so different from the plot outline I
        delineated yesterday.

        In "2001" an extraterrestrial intelligence interferes with the
        natural progression of evolution. They teach an Ape, or Ape-man, how
        to solve two problems -- Starvation and Territorialism -- by
        telepathically prompting him to use a leg bone from an animal carcass
        as a Weapon, first to kill a tapir (thus turning this starving
        vegetarian Ape-man into a well-fed carnivore) and then to kill
        another Ape-man, the leader of a rival tribe who had scared his own
        tribe away from a watering hole.

        In Clarke's novel, this telepathically 'adjusted' Ape-man is referred
        to as Moonwatcher.

        Philosophically, of course, people have argued over whether or not
        the Aliens in "2001" intended for Moonwatcher to use his weapon
        against other Apemen. Some argue that they only wanted to help
        Moonwatcher (and his tribe) overcome their food shortage problem...
        but that Moonwatcher took that weapon-wielding notion one step
        further all on his own, so that he became a 'murderer' -- which the
        Aliens may not have anticipated... Oops! Those who argue that have
        one thing going for 'em: Kubrick used the Zarathustra music first to
        show the arrival of the Aliens in the Earth/Moon system (the opening
        shots) and then to show Moonwatcher having his "Eureka" moment with
        the bones of that dead animal... but when Moonwatcher kills the other
        Apeman, we don't hear the Zarathustra music. We do hear the
        Zarathustra music when Dave Bowman is transformed into the Star-
        Child, though.

        In Clarke's novels, he makes it apparent that the Aliens in this
        Odyssey series would go around from star to star, looking for planets
        with Life... so that they could interfere here and there, coaxing
        particular lifeforms along on the road to Intelligence. Their
        interference on Earth could be looked on as a sort of Frankenstein
        dilemma, since their 'creation' (Man) ended up rather violent, so
        much so that the artificial intelligence Man invents (Hal 9000)
        itself becomes a murderer! Maybe the transformation of Bowman into
        the Star-Child was meant as the Aliens' way of making up for their
        flawed intervention back at the Dawn of Man: when they interfered
        with Moonwatcher, they may have inadvertently prompted relatively
        peaceful vegetarians into becoming carnivorous murderers; but, in
        spite of everything, Man did evolve into a technological species, and
        the Alien interferers may have owed it to them to boost them to a
        higher plane of existence, to make up for the tooth-and-claw history
        that had ensued over 4 million years...

        The prospective POTA comic plot I put forth yesterday, of course,
        doesn't involve Alien interference in Human (and/or Ape) evolution,
        but it does involve interference in the affairs of Humans and Apes by
        a sidelined population of beings who have become 'alienated' (and
        rather alien) from their ancestors. Some 700 years or more after they
        made their home in the radioactive ruins of Breck's city, they've
        evolved -- mutated -- into something other than Human. More than
        Human. And also Less than Human. They've branched off so far that
        they don't see any kinship between themselves and the Humans who live
        on the surface world. They view both Apes and surface Humans as
        their 'enemy'... and go out of their way to diminish that potential
        threat by sowing the seeds of discord amongst them.

        In the plot of Boorman's film "ZARDOZ", a telepathic artist named
        Arthur Frayn -- for different reasons entirely -- goes out of his way
        to "cull the herd" of so-called "Brutals" (human wretches who eke out
        an existence in a dying world after the collapse of civilization) by
        selectively breeding a tribe of "Exterminators"... and then ARMING
        them with Guns. "The Gun is good... Go forth, and Kill!"

        I'm not unaware of any thematic parallels that may exist between my
        plot outline and the plot of "ZARDOZ". I could also point out a
        thinly-veiled Vietnam parable "STAR TREK" episode (TOS), "A Private
        Little War", where the Klingons had been supplying flintlock rifles
        to one group on a planet, providing them with an unfair advantage
        over their adversaries, so that Kirk has to wrestle with the Prime
        Directive issue regarding whether or not he should give the
        disadvantaged group similar weapons. The Klingons and the Federation
        in that episode are almost like the opposing groups of Gods in the
        Trojan War -- some sided with the Greek forces, and other gods were
        on the side of the Trojans, but Fate had already decided that Troy
        would fall...

        In the POTA universe, we're faced with the Question: How did the Apes
        learn how to make their own guns? In "BATTLE", all their weapons are
        remnants of Man's 20th Century arms technology. But by the time the
        TV show events take place, the Apes (predominantly the Gorillas) have
        Ape-made guns. At some point between the events of "BATTLE"
        and "ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW" the Apes acquired a knowledge of making
        Guns and Ammunition. Caesar (and, presumably, his successors) went
        out of his way to keep the Guns (and Ammo) away from the citizens,
        watched over by Mandemus at first, and then by his successor
        (probably).

        Any number of plots could be concocted to explain the emergence of
        Gun-making by the Apes. My plot idea is just one attempt. It fits in,
        thematically, with already-established POTA elements -- such as when
        the Negro forces Brent and Taylor to fight each other... and, at one
        moment, he throws in that barbed club, so that Brent (who's getting
        his ass kicked by Taylor) has more of a fighting chance. These
        Mutants aren't above arming their enemies, as long as they can get
        them to fight against each other... and NOT turn around and use those
        weapons on the Mutants. This backfires for the Negro, of course,
        in "BENEATH".

        Seeing as how you (Rory) hate "BENEATH" so much, I didn't really
        expect you to like the plot, since it involves the Mutants. But I
        suspect that IF Neil wants to illustrate such a story it's a good bet
        you'll like his artwork, at least! I think it'd be great if Neil does
        illustrate this story, and do what Paul Gulacy used to do often when
        he illustrated MARVEL's "Master of Kung Fu" comic: draw certain
        characters with the likenesses of popular actors.

        In MOKF, the main character, Shang Chi, was modeled after Bruce Lee;
        another character, Clive Reston (hinted to be the son of James Bond),
        was drawn with Sean Connery's facial features. It might be
        interesting to see who Neil might "cast" in the role of Mendez XI,
        etc. Neil's ability to draw the "BENEATH" mutants with photo-
        realistic detail lends itself to going the one step further, and
        drawing original characters with the facial features of known actors.
        Who might be a good actor to use for the likeness of Mendez XI? Maybe
        we could do a poll...

        Patrick
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
        > This is fantastic! Any more on the following page?

        -- Could be, I'll have a look and get back to you. ;-)

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36800 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Not Smolen then…

         

        I was thinking about bidding on it to contribute to the apes music project, then I remembered what happened last time I paid a fortune for collectibles (to share with the POTA fans) on ebay and decided against it.

         

        Hopefully this GREENMAN will share?

         

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 12:50 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Apes album

         

        not sure....someone named "greenman 5"

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > Did Mark Smolen win it?

        > Michael

        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Tim "apefan"
        > Sent:
        Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:27 PM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [PotaDG] Apes album

        > was it this group talking about the psychodelic Apes
        > LP with the Don Post masks on the cover....It just
        > sold for $152 on ebay
        >
        >
        Tim
        >


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        Group: potadg Message: 36801 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/12/2006
        Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
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        .html.html In a message dated 2/12/06 9:14:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


        I didn't need 2 DVDs of "LOGAN'S RUN", but I got the 2nd one just to
        have the original movie poster art. Don't weep for me, though: it was
        only about $6.99, in the discount bin!

        Patrick


        Yeah, and that would be because LOGAN'S RUN... SUCKS!!!

        But at least it's got a Jerry Goldsmith score.

        -- Rory
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        Group: potadg Message: 36802 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
        Subject: Re: Apes new DVD release
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        I liked Logan ’s Run.

         

        But hey, I liked most any sci-fi movie.

         

        I really did enjoy LR and was happy that they did a TV Show.

         

        But when I bought LR on DVD I was a little disappointed – something was missing since I had seen it last (MANY moons ago).

         

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 3:17 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes new DVD release

         

        In a message dated 2/12/06 9:14:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:



        I didn't need 2 DVDs of "LOGAN'S RUN", but I got the 2nd one just to
        have the original movie poster art. Don't weep for me, though: it was
        only about $6.99, in the discount bin!

        Patrick



        Yeah, and that would be because LOGAN'S RUN... SUCKS!!!

        But at least it's got a Jerry Goldsmith score.

        -- Rory

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        Group: potadg Message: 36803 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/12/2006
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        I have been going through all the crap I have collected on my computer over the years and came across quite a few Ape wallpapers that I have either found or created myself.
         
        Over the next few days as I get the chance I will be uploading them to the Wallpapers folder in the files section of the DG photos 2 sub-group (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2/)
         
        I'll let you know when I do.
         
        Neil
         
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        Group: potadg Message: 36804 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Thanks Neil.

         

        Hey – are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 9:01 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Ape Wallpapers

         

        I have been going through all the crap I have collected on my computer over the years and came across quite a few Ape wallpapers that I have either found or created myself.

         

        Over the next few days as I get the chance I will be uploading them to the Wallpapers  folder in the files section of the DG photos 2 sub-group ( http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2/)

         

        I'll let you know when I do.

         

        Neil


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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Hey - are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        -- Don't know. if the people want it I will do it but it means
        clearing out some room in the files section. I will probably have to
        delete the Going Home pages first so anyone who hasn't read that all
        the way through had better do it in the next couple of days.

        Neil
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Hey - are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        -- Also I don't want to unknowingly insult or upset any more people.
        Those that haven't read it might find all the killing, blood and
        violence a bit too depressing, especially some of the added extra
        pages and I would never want to upset or depress anyone, I'm just here
        for a bit of fun myself.

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36807 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Hey - are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        -- I would like to discuss this privately with you but your home email
        is bouncing me again!

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36808 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Well I’ll phone you then – what’s a good time?

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 10:05 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Wallpapers

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Hey - are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        -- I would like to discuss this privately with you but your home email
        is bouncing me again!

        Neil


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        Group: potadg Message: 36809 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Well then don’t watch any of the Planet of the Apes movies!   J  I mean L

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
        Sent:
        Monday, 13 February 2006 10:02 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Wallpapers

         

        I would never want to upset or depress anyone,


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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Well I'll phone you then - what's a good time?

        Now I suppose. But it will have to be quick, I've got to go do the
        shopping this morning.

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36811 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Yeah – I just received an email from a long-time DG member saying they left the group because GOING HOME is depressing!

         

        Bloody hell, what do these TV Show fans want?  Everyone join hands and skip down the path now…. J

         

        It is SUPPOSED to be depressing.  That’s life…..

         

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 10:02 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Wallpapers

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Hey - are we going to do BTB a page at a time now?

        -- Also I don't want to unknowingly insult or upset any more people.
        Those that haven't read it might find all the killing, blood and
        violence a bit too depressing, especially some of the added extra
        pages and I would never want to upset or depress anyone, I'm just here
        for a bit of fun myself.

        Neil





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        Group: potadg Message: 36812 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Yeah - I just received an email from a long-time DG member saying
        they left the group because GOING HOME is depressing!

        -- Really? I find that quite unbelievable to say the least. The last
        thing I would ever do is set out to upset people intentionally and to
        hear that thishas happened actually depresses me!

        Its talking apes folks it ain't real!

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36813 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
        Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
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        You’ll have to log off – it ain’t knocking you off the net!

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 10:12 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Wallpapers

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > Well I'll phone you then - what's a good time?

        Now I suppose. But it will have to be quick, I've got to go do the
        shopping this morning.

        Neil


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        Group: potadg Message: 36814 From: Neil Date: 2/12/2006
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
        > You'll have to log off - it ain't knocking you off the net!

        -- Okay, done.

        Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 36815 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/12/2006
        Subject: Re: Apes album
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        My max bid was 41 bucks.....i was surprised it got
        that high

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > Not Smolen then.
        >
        > I was thinking about bidding on it to contribute to
        > the apes music
        > project, then I remembered what happened last time I
        > paid a fortune for
        > collectibles (to share with the POTA fans) on ebay
        > and decided against
        > it.
        >
        > Hopefully this GREENMAN will share?
        >
        > Michael
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Tim "apefan"
        > Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 12:50 AM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Apes album
        >
        > not sure....someone named "greenman 5"
        >
        > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Did Mark Smolen win it?
        > >
        > > Michael
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > > Of Tim "apefan"
        > > Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:27 PM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: [PotaDG] Apes album
        > >
        > > was it this group talking about the psychodelic
        > Apes
        > > LP with the Don Post masks on the cover....It just
        > > sold for $152 on ebay
        > >
        > > Tim
        > >
        >
        > --
        >


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        Group: potadg Message: 36816 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/12/2006
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        Not many people have it and lots of people want to know what the hell is on it!

        I wonder if they got permission from FOX for the masks/logo?

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
        Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 2:24 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Apes album

         

        My max bid was 41 bucks.....i was surprised it got
        that high

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > Not Smolen then.

        > I was thinking about bidding on it to contribute to
        > the apes music
        > project, then I remembered what happened last time I
        > paid a fortune for
        > collectibles (to share with the POTA fans) on ebay
        > and decided against
        > it.

        > Hopefully this GREENMAN will share?

        > Michael

        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Tim "apefan"
        > Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 12:50 AM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Apes album

        > not sure....someone named "greenman 5"
        >
        > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Did Mark Smolen win it?
        > > 
        > > Michael


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        Group: potadg Message: 36817 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/12/2006
        Subject: Re: New fanzine project
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
          >> In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:47:27 P.M. Central Standard
          Time, 
          >> nfoster@... writes:
          >> -- All  joking
          aside, certain interested parties have been discussing  the  possibility of releasing a New Ape Fanzine in the foreseeable future
          >
          > I still need to get the old one.
           
          -- Which one? This one?
           
           
          Neil 8-)
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 36818 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
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            Did we decide whether to call it the Forbidden Zone or the Forbidden Zine?

             

            Maybe “Pete is dead, long live Pete!”? J

             

            OK – that took me ½ hour to type because I am laughing so hard.

             

            Tee Hee Hee

             

            Richie Rich

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
            Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 4:46 PM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

             

            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

            >> In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:47:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
            >> nfoster@... writes:
            >> -- All  joking aside, certain interested parties have been
            discussing  the  possibility of releasing a New Ape Fanzine in the foreseeable future
            >
            > I still need to get the old one.

             

            -- Which one? This one?

             

             

            Neil 8-)


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            Group: potadg Message: 36819 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/13/2006
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:
              > -- Which one? This one?
               
              -- Or maybe even the version with less typos! ;-)
               
               
              Neil
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 36820 From: Neil Date: 2/13/2006
              Subject: Re: New fanzine project
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
              > Did we decide whether to call it the Forbidden Zone or the Forbidden
              > Zine?

              -- Or the Forbidden Zone Zine.

              Neil
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              Group: potadg Message: 36821 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
              Subject: Re: Ape Wallpapers
              .html
              .html.html In a message dated 2/12/2006 5:13:44 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

              Bloody hell, what do these TV Show fans want?  Everyone join hands and skip down the path now…. J

               


              It is SUPPOSED to be depressing.  That's life…..



              Exactly... The films all had "downer" endings (except for BATTLE which was pretty ambiguous... And the only thing that was a downer in CONQUEST was the fact that they tacked on the "bullshit ending"...) But anyway, the TV series should have carried on a bit more of the "darker" tone of the films...

              As to what the "TV series only" fans want, all it seems is that they want somebody to "look at" and the "feel good" aspect of a "buddy show"... They might as well have watched Starsky and Hutch if that's all they want...
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              Group: potadg Message: 36822 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
              Subject: Re: Apes album
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              .html.html In a message dated 2/12/2006 3:48:59 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

              Hopefully this GREENMAN will share?

              Did you try to contact him thru eBay to see if he'd be able to make a tape or CD of it to use?
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              Group: potadg Message: 36823 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
              Subject: Depressing Stuff!
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              Real life buddies don’t do that shit do they Cougar?

               

              So Mike, do you like the way GOING HOME is headed?

               

              Michael

               

              -----Original Message-----
              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
              Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 7:25 PM
              To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Wallpapers

               

              In a message dated 2/12/2006 5:13:44 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


              Bloody hell, what do these TV Show fans want?  Everyone join hands and skip down the path now…. J

               


              It is SUPPOSED to be depressing.  That’s life…..



              Exactly... The films all had "downer" endings (except for BATTLE which was pretty ambiguous... And the only thing that was a downer in CONQUEST was the fact that they tacked on the "bullshit ending"...) But anyway, the TV series should have carried on a bit more of the "darker" tone of the films...

              As to what the "TV series only" fans want, all it seems is that they want somebody to "look at" and the "feel good" aspect of a "buddy show"... They might as well have watched Starsky and Hutch if that's all they want...

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              Group: potadg Message: 36824 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
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              No Mike, I think I’m over all that.

               

              Let some other fool do it and pay for it too!

               

              As far as this Music CD goes there are 2 things:

              (1) if Chris Lawless is involved, don’t hold your breath (but the final result should be worth it);

              (2) I’m happy to lay back, let everyone else do the work, and get my freebie at the end!

              Michael

               

              -----Original Message-----
              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
              Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 7:16 PM
              To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Apes album

               

              In a message dated 2/12/2006 3:48:59 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


              Hopefully this GREENMAN will share?



              Did you try to contact him thru eBay to see if he'd be able to make a tape or CD of it to use?

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              Group: potadg Message: 36825 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
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                Did someone over there mention egg on one’s face?

                 

                Jesus this is hilarious!

                 

                Would you like a towel Chris? I think you just stepped on a land-mine filled with egg! J

                 

                Neil, can we interview this guy for Similar Scrawls?

                Michael

                 

                From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                Date
                : Mon Feb 13, 2006  9:26 am
                Subject: Re: We Did It!!!! FOX releasing Extended Battle on DVD!!!

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                Ditto for me. In fact, I respect Rory for sticking to his guns on that
                
                one. Now though, both versions are available on DVD (since you can very
                
                easily pick up a copy of that "limited" Evolution Box Set), so now fans
                
                can have whichever version they want.
                  
                Oddly enough my signature never made it to the petition, though that's
                
                simply because I thought I had already signed it. If the page is still
                
                up, can someone send me the url?
                  
                  
                Chris L.
                  
                "
                hotscheetz" <
                
                HotScheetz@...> wrote:
                
                  
                
                >>You're right, James...Let me clarify that I did not mean individuals
                
                who had legitimate reasons for their choice... <<
                
                  
                  
                "James" 
                
                JamesA1102@... wrote:
                  
                >> To be fair, there were some people who had legitimate reasons for
                not signing the petition. Rory for example feels that the theatrical
                version of BATTLE is the 'official' version. I may not agree with
                him but respect his opinion. <<
                
                  

                 


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                Group: potadg Message: 36826 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
                Subject: Re: Depressing Stuff!
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                In a message dated 2/13/2006 2:41:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
                Real life buddies don't do that shit do they Cougar?
                 
                It seems very out of character for him.
                That's why I think fanfic is crap!
                The characters and motivations
                never ring true.
                 
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                Group: potadg Message: 36827 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
                Subject: Depressing CRAP!
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                So you think your own fanfic is crap too?  J

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
                Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 2:44 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Depressing Stuff!

                 

                In a message dated 2/13/2006 2:41:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

                Real life buddies don’t do that shit do they Cougar?

                 

                It seems very out of character for him.  That's why I think fanfic is crap!  The characters and motivations never ring true.


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                Group: potadg Message: 36828 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
                Subject: Re: Depressing CRAP!
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                In a message dated 2/13/2006 10:05:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
                So you think your own fanfic is crap too?
                 
                I don't have any fanfic.
                 
                 
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                Group: potadg Message: 36829 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/13/2006
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                  I would definitly buy it. I would also contribute stuff, the idea of continuing the series and the films using photo-shop and creative cut-ups or whatever , is a great one. Rock on.
                   
                  JBK
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: 13 February 2006 07:16
                  Subject: [PotaDG] New fanzine project

                  Did we decide whether to call it the Forbidden Zone or the Forbidden Zine?

                   

                  Maybe “Pete is dead, long live Pete!”?  J

                   

                  OK – that took me ½ hour to type because I am laughing so hard.

                   

                  Tee Hee Hee

                   

                  Richie Rich

                   

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
                  Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 4:46 PM
                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                   

                  --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
                  >> In a message dated 2/10/2006 9:47:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
                  >> nfoster@... writes:
                  >> -- All  joking aside, certain interested parties have been discussing  the  possibility of releasing a New Ape Fanzine in the foreseeable future
                  >
                  > I still need to get the old one.

                   

                  -- Which one? This one?

                   

                   

                  Neil 8-)



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                  Group: potadg Message: 36830 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/13/2006
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                  And it's site could be called "The Forbidden Zine Zone" !
                  JBK
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Neil
                  Sent: 13 February 2006 07:32
                  Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                  --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                  > Did we decide whether to call it the Forbidden Zone or the Forbidden
                  > Zine?

                  -- Or the Forbidden Zone Zine.

                  Neil





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                  Group: potadg Message: 36831 From: Neil T Foster Date: 2/13/2006
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                    Group: potadg Message: 36832 From: Neil Date: 2/13/2006
                    Subject: The Eagle
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                    Yes it has but everytime I try to let you know it gets sent back.

                    Neil
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                    Group: potadg Message: 36833 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/13/2006
                    Subject: Eagle landed?
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                      Neil – did the eagle land?

                      Michael

                       

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                        Not enough egg – could we try that again with more egg please?

                         

                        You know that huge claw in the museum in Planet?  Something the owner of that laid….  J

                        Michael

                         

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                          > Neil - did the eagle
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                          Not enough egg – could we try that again with more egg please?




                          You know that huge claw in the museum in Planet?  Something the owner of that laid….  J

                          Michael




                          What's this all about?

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                            Excellent!

                             

                            Mr Burns

                             

                            -----Original Message-----
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                            Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:23 AM
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                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Eagle landed?

                             

                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

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                            > Neil - did the eagle land?

                             

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                            Oh, just that dipshit Chris!

                             

                            He tried to make out the DG looks bad (or we “have egg on our faces”) because we did not get behind that on-line petition.

                             

                            Then he realises he didn’t even sign the thing himself!

                             

                            What a retard!  J

                            Actually, I think he was saying he doesn’t KNOW if he signed it so maybe he just does too many drugs! 
                            J

                             

                            Really, this is SO funny.

                             

                            So Rory, remind us again how long Fox must have been planning the EXTENDED BATTLE release?

                             

                            Do you have any idea why a few people with very low IQs have to persist in claiming it really had something to do with the smallest petition I have ever seen (actually, does it QUALIFY as a petition with so few signatures?).

                             

                            This is SOOOOO funny!  J

                             

                            Neil, can we interview this guy in Similar Scrawls?

                            Michael

                             

                            “I they had a brain between them they might be dangerous”

                             

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                            In a message dated 2/13/06 5:55:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



                            Not enough egg – could we try that again with more egg please?



                            You know that huge claw in the museum in Planet?  Something the owner of that laid….  J

                            Michael



                            What's this all about?

                            -- Rory

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                            .html.html In a message dated 2/13/06 8:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                            So Rory, remind us again how long Fox must have been planning the EXTENDED BATTLE release?




                            I read long ago that Fox was preparing anamorphic transfers for region 1 DVD release.  I'm sure Fox has had them ready for sometime.  These new DVDs are coming out now ONLY because Fox is trying to get some of the KING KONG attention from DVD buyers, and I'm sure Fox wishes KONG had been a bigger hit.  But anyway...

                            I'm going to e-male that guy at Fox about this and see if he'll reply.

                            -- Rory
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                            I’d like to ask him how long they have had a version of extended Battle and if Return is an inferior quality release.

                             

                            Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for petitions.

                             

                            I can see some danger in anyone believing it is this easy, and I can smell an agenda when a particular person is championed for something they did not do.

                             

                            It would be dangerous if people are convinced it really is THAT easy, eh Rory?

                             

                            Michael

                             

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                            Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 1:06 PM
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                            In a message dated 2/13/06 8:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:



                            So Rory, remind us again how long Fox must have been planning the EXTENDED BATTLE release?



                            I read long ago that Fox was preparing anamorphic transfers for region 1 DVD release.  I'm sure Fox has had them ready for sometime.  These new DVDs are coming out now ONLY because Fox is trying to get some of the KING KONG attention from DVD buyers, and I'm sure Fox wishes KONG had been a bigger hit.  But anyway...

                            I'm going to e-male that guy at Fox about this and see if he'll reply.

                            -- Rory

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                            Group: potadg Message: 36841 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 2/13/2006
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                            Neil, don't make me laugh so hard!
                            Bits do spit get on the screen.
                             
                             
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                            Group: potadg Message: 36842 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 2/13/2006
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                            "Michael Whitty" <whitty@... > wrote:

                            >>I was thinking about bidding on it to contribute to the apes music
                            project, then I remembered what happened last time I paid a fortune for
                            collectibles (to share with the POTA fans) on ebay and decided against
                            it. <<


                            Yep- we really fucked you over on that one! Nobody wanted to put up the cash, so we got you to. Boy do you have egg on your face - used by us then spat out. And so you know it, we were working on something for James then. That's what took us so long but we felt guilty about it so we lied to you. :-)

                            The king is dead - long love king James! He won't expect a deadline - hell, he'll be happy with any lame shit we come up with! :-)

                            And since I put a :-) in the post, that just means (according to
                            you) that it's all in good fun.

                            BTW, the guy who won the LP is sending me a copy, so that will be
                            included in the compilation as well.


                            Chris L.
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                            Group: potadg Message: 36843 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
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                            Do you like the way GOING HOME is headed?

                            Well, I haven't had a chance to check out the latest installment so I can't comment on that... However, I am a bit skeptical about reading that Galen will be the new "Urko"... I can see him changing his view on humans if he believes they killed his  mother, but as far as him leading troops in a battle, that's something else again... He just isn't the warlord type... I have no problem seeing Galen change his point of view, but I really rather not see him go all "Thade"...
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                            Yeah – not sure how far to go with Galen.

                             

                            I just want it to be an unfamiliar place where nothing can be taken for granted.

                             

                            Michael

                             

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                            Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 3:42 PM
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                            In a message dated 2/13/2006 2:41:04 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                            Do you like the way GOING HOME is headed?



                            Well, I haven't had a chance to check out the latest installment so I can't comment on that... However, I am a bit skeptical about reading that Galen will be the new "Urko"... I can see him changing his view on humans if he believes they killed his  mother, but as far as him leading troops in a battle, that's something else again... He just isn't the warlord type... I have no problem seeing Galen change his point of view, but I really rather not see him go all "Thade"...

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                            Group: potadg Message: 36845 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
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                            BTW, the guy who won the LP is sending me a copy, so that will be
                            included in the compilation as well.


                            Chris L.


                            If it's really bad -- please don't!

                            -- Rory
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                            Group: potadg Message: 36846 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/13/2006
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                            BTW, the guy who won the LP is sending me a copy, so that will be
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                            Chris L.


                            If it's really bad -- please don't!

                            -- Rory


                            No, it should be included just as a curiousity if nothing else...
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                            I agree with Mike.

                             

                            Michael

                             

                            -----Original Message-----
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                            Sent:
                            Tuesday, 14 February 2006 4:25 PM
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                            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apes Album

                             

                            In a message dated 2/13/2006 11:21:55 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:


                            BTW, the guy who won the LP is sending me a copy, so that will be
                            included in the compilation as well.


                            Chris L.



                            If it's really bad -- please don't!

                            -- Rory



                            No, it should be included just as a curiousity if nothing else...

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                            Group: potadg Message: 36848 From: Neil Date: 2/14/2006
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                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "totellthetruth42" <lawford42@...>
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                            > long love king James!

                            -- ??????????????

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                            Group: potadg Message: 36849 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/14/2006
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                            J

                             

                            Hey stranger – been reading the comics?

                             

                            Michael

                             

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                            Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 6:41 AM
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                            And it's site could be called "The Forbidden Zine Zone" !

                            JBK

                            ----- Original Message -----

                            From: Neil

                            Sent: 13 February 2006 07:32

                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                             

                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                            > Did we decide whether to call it the Forbidden Zone or the Forbidden
                            > Zine?

                            -- Or the Forbidden Zone Zine.

                            Neil


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                            Group: potadg Message: 36850 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/14/2006
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                            I think it's possible if it's presented correctly, but it has to be a gradual thing. I don't see the abuse Galen suffers in Going Home to be the key that turns him bad and causes him to hate all humans and start hunting them down. He's going to need a little more seduction to go over to the dark side. The seeds are there. Believing both Alan and Pete to be dead. His mother dying so she's not around to be a calming influence. (I'm speculating here, but it looks like she's ill in the panels we saw, so I'm guessing she'll die shortly after Galen gets home, or maybe even just before.)
                             
                            I can see Zaius coming to Galen a year or two after his return to Central City. There's a crisis. A group of humans have taken some apes as hostages. Important apes, so their safety trumps the normal response of just charging in there and kiling every human. Galen knows more about how humans think than any other ape alive, having lived with them for 10 years. Galen agrees to serve as negotiator as long as the humans are captured, not killed. He may hate the humans who disfigured him and killed his friends, but he doesn't hate all humans, and is still against killing. Galen is successful, and slowly Zaius begins to call on him more and more for similar events. He's exposed more and more to human violence, and the negotiations don't always end successfully, with both apes and humans getting killed at times. He's given a small band of gorilla soldiers that accompany him and step in when things don't go as planned. At some point he's put in a position where he has to take a human life to protect either his own or the lives of the soldiers in his charge. Soon he's starting to go with the military option a little sooner than he would have previously when negotiations aren't going well, until eventually there's very little negotiating and he's effectively become a field commander. That's how I see it, anyway. Mike and Neil may have something different planned.
                             
                            Greg

                            mlccougar@... wrote:
                            Well, I haven't had a chance to check out the latest installment so I can't comment on that... However, I am a bit skeptical about reading that Galen will be the new "Urko"... I can see him changing his view on humans if he believes they killed his  mother, but as far as him leading troops in a battle, that's something else again... He just isn't the warlord type... I have no problem seeing Galen change his point of view, but I really rather not see him go all "Thade"...
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                              Group: potadg Message: 36852 From: Neil Date: 2/14/2006
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                              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I think it's possible if it's presented correctly, but it has to be
                              a gradual thing. Etc.

                              -- Greg this is fantastic, you're hired! Yes Galen's mother is very
                              ill and could leave us at any time (wouldn't we be nasty if we turned
                              around and made her the character who dies! ;-)).
                              I agree it is going to take a lot more than the one beating to change
                              Galen and the ideas you have come up with would work very nicely.

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                                Hi there,
                                 
                                Havent had time to turn around this last few months, so got lots of catching up to do. Just got General Ursus and Ceaser from Side Show and I love them. Have all the apes now. No humans though. Have noticed in the UK Sci Fi shops the human characters are all going cheap so I will wait a bit longer and pick them up at some point. If not Ho hum. 
                                 
                                Hope you are all well on the POTA plain.
                                 
                                JBK
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                                J

                                 

                                Hey stranger – been reading the comics?

                                 

                                Michael

                                 

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                                And it's site could be called "The Forbidden Zine Zone" !

                                JBK

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                                Sent: 13 February 2006 07:32

                                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                                 

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                                -- Or the Forbidden Zone Zine.

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                                A very short issue this week. No letter column, just 11 more pages of the Conquest adaptation and the cover. So you all have extra time this week to get to your local comic shop and pick up issue 2 of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, the new Apes comic from Mr. Comics.
                                 
                                 
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                                > A very short issue this week. No letter column, just 11 more pages
                                of the Conquest adaptation and the cover. So you all have extra time
                                this week to get to your local comic shop and pick up issue 2 of
                                Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, the new Apes comic from Mr.
                                Comics.

                                -- Thanks Greg.

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                                Group: potadg Message: 36859 From: Neil Date: 2/15/2006
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                                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John Brandon Kirtley"
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                                > MessageI would definitly buy it. I would also contribute stuff,
                                the idea of continuing the series and the films using photo-shop and
                                creative cut-ups or whatever , is a great one. Rock on.

                                -- Thanks John. The thing is though, these were just mock covers I
                                made up and were done in jest. Sadly though it seems the humour
                                didn't come over as it should have, probably my 'Aussie corrupted'
                                English sense of humour.
                                So if I have inadvertently offended or upset anyone I once again
                                apologise, I can do no more.

                                The idea of continuing the films etc. using "photo-shop and creative
                                cut-ups or whatever" is a good idea though and one I would like to
                                pursue if I had the time.

                                Peace,
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                                This is cool too - tell us about it.....

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                                Hi there and welcome to the group!

                                Where did this come from?

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                                Group: potadg Message: 36863 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: New fanzine project
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                                Thanks Neil. I thought they were hilarious and those photo edits were
                                great. Yet another talent in your repertoire. I hope the jabs were not
                                taken seriously by anybody. I just wish that such a 'zine really
                                existed.

                                Dario


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Neil <nfoster@...>
                                Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:58 am
                                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                                > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John Brandon Kirtley"
                                > <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:
                                > > MessageI would definitly buy it. I would also contribute stuff,
                                > the idea of continuing the series and the films using photo-shop
                                > and
                                > creative cut-ups or whatever , is a great one. Rock on.
                                >
                                > -- Thanks John. The thing is though, these were just mock covers I
                                > made up and were done in jest. Sadly though it seems the humour
                                > didn't come over as it should have, probably my 'Aussie corrupted'
                                > English sense of humour.
                                > So if I have inadvertently offended or upset anyone I once again
                                > apologise, I can do no more.
                                >
                                > The idea of continuing the films etc. using "photo-shop and
                                > creative
                                > cut-ups or whatever" is a good idea though and one I would like to
                                > pursue if I had the time.
                                >
                                > Peace,
                                > Neil
                                >
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36864 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
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                                Despite the fact that this is on Diamond Comic Distributor' ship list for this week, neither of the two shops near me received copies this week. One shop does tend to get things late, but the other, more reliable shop also says they didn't get the issue this week. Has anyone found copies at their local shop yet?
                                 
                                Here's the link to this week's Diamond ship list:
                                 
                                Greg

                                Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
                                Just checked the ship lists on Diamond Comics website and issue 2 of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes is on the list of items expected to be in comic shops next week.
                                 
                                 
                                Greg

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                                Group: potadg Message: 36865 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
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                                I just checked with my local shop yesterday. He said he should get it
                                friday.
                                Not sure how the distribution goes from print to final destination,
                                but I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, if that makes a difference.
                                I'm probably nearer to the actual printing site than anyone here, but
                                if it has to get all shipped to a Diamond (distributor) warehouse
                                first, then the route back to here may be longer than for other places.

                                Dario

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...>
                                Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 pm
                                Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?

                                > Despite the fact that this is on Diamond Comic Distributor' ship
                                > list for this week, neither of the two shops near me received
                                > copies this week. One shop does tend to get things late, but the
                                > other, more reliable shop also says they didn't get the issue this
                                > week. Has anyone found copies at their local shop yet?
                                >
                                > Here's the link to this week's Diamond ship list:
                                > http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_021506.txt
                                >
                                > Greg
                                >
                                > Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
                                > Just checked the ship lists on Diamond Comics website and
                                > issue 2 of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes is on the list of
                                > items expected to be in comic shops next week.
                                >
                                > http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/expected_021506.txt
                                >
                                > Greg
                                >
                                >
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36866 From: canadianapefandan Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
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                                I'm close, too (London, Ontario).
                                The comic shops got it here today, so it is out there on time!

                                Dan



                                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > I just checked with my local shop yesterday. He said he should get
                                it
                                > friday.
                                > Not sure how the distribution goes from print to final destination,
                                > but I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, if that makes a difference.
                                > I'm probably nearer to the actual printing site than anyone here,
                                but
                                > if it has to get all shipped to a Diamond (distributor) warehouse
                                > first, then the route back to here may be longer than for other
                                places.
                                >
                                > Dario
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...>
                                > Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 pm
                                > Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
                                >
                                > > Despite the fact that this is on Diamond Comic Distributor' ship
                                > > list for this week, neither of the two shops near me received
                                > > copies this week. One shop does tend to get things late, but the
                                > > other, more reliable shop also says they didn't get the issue
                                this
                                > > week. Has anyone found copies at their local shop yet?
                                > >
                                > > Here's the link to this week's Diamond ship list:
                                > > http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_021506.txt
                                > >
                                > > Greg
                                > >
                                > > Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
                                > > Just checked the ship lists on Diamond Comics website and
                                > > issue 2 of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes is on the list of
                                > > items expected to be in comic shops next week.
                                > >
                                > > http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/expected_021506.txt
                                > >
                                > > Greg
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36867 From: John Brandon Kirtley Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: New fanzine project
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                                I might have a bash. I have some pretty rare pictures and might also use my Apemania mask to flesh out film 6,7,8,9,etc need titles though. As for series 3,4,5 etc, the skies the limit really.
                                Rock on
                                John
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: 15 February 2006 15:25
                                Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project


                                Thanks Neil. I thought they were hilarious and those photo edits were
                                great. Yet another talent in your repertoire. I hope the jabs were not
                                taken seriously by anybody. I just wish that such a 'zine really
                                existed.

                                Dario


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Neil <nfoster@...>
                                Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:58 am
                                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New fanzine project

                                > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John Brandon Kirtley"
                                > <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:
                                > > MessageI would definitly buy it. I would also contribute stuff,
                                > the idea of continuing the series and the films using photo-shop
                                > and
                                > creative cut-ups or whatever , is a great one. Rock on.
                                >
                                > -- Thanks John. The thing is though, these were just mock covers I
                                > made up and were done in jest. Sadly though it seems the humour
                                > didn't come over as it should have, probably my 'Aussie corrupted'
                                > English sense of humour.
                                > So if I have inadvertently offended or upset anyone I once again
                                > apologise, I can do no more.
                                >
                                > The idea of continuing the films etc. using "photo-shop and
                                > creative
                                > cut-ups or whatever" is a good idea though and one I would like to
                                > pursue if I had the time.
                                >
                                > Peace,
                                > Neil
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
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                                >
                                >
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36868 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
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                                Thanks Dan – that’s great news!

                                 

                                Do you have a copy?  If so, what do you think?

                                Michael

                                 

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of canadianapefandan
                                Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2006 6:35 AM
                                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?

                                 

                                I'm close, too (London, Ontario).
                                The comic shops got it here today, so it is out there on time!

                                Dan



                                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > I just checked with my local shop yesterday. He said he should get
                                it
                                > friday.
                                > Not sure how the distribution goes from print to final destination,
                                > but I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, if that makes a difference.
                                > I'm probably nearer to the actual printing site than anyone here,
                                but
                                > if it has to get all shipped to a Diamond (distributor) warehouse
                                > first, then the route back to here may be longer than for other
                                places.
                                >
                                > Dario
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...>
                                > Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 pm
                                > Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
                                >
                                > > Despite the fact that this is on Diamond Comic Distributor' ship
                                > > list for this week, neither of the two shops near me received
                                > > copies this week. One shop does tend to get things late, but the
                                > > other, more reliable shop also says they didn't get the issue
                                this
                                > > week. Has anyone found copies at their local shop yet?
                                > >  
                                > >  Here's the link to this week's Diamond ship list:
                                > >  http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_021506.txt
                                > >  
                                > >  Greg
                                > >
                                > > Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
                                > >    Just checked the ship lists on Diamond Comics website and
                                > > issue 2 of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes is on the list of
                                > > items expected to be in comic shops next week.
                                > >  
                                > >  http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/expected_021506.txt
                                > >  
                                > >  Greg


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                                Group: potadg Message: 36869 From: Dario Sciola Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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                                Holy vineyards Batman!

                                I got curious too and did a Google search on "Planet Grapes". I did
                                not find anything related to the BubbleGum pack (I did check out all
                                the returned URLs), but it seems that "Planet Grapes" and "Planet of
                                the Grapes" is a somwhat common name for Wine shops and associated
                                products.

                                Also came across this book:
                                "Commander Toad and the Planet of the Grapes"
                                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0698113535/103-6009590-8145418?
                                v=glance&n=283155

                                Dario

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
                                Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:34 am
                                Subject: [PotaDG] FW: New file uploaded to PotaDG

                                > Hi there and welcome to the group!
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36870 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: DVD Covers
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                                Hey – where are we up to on these?

                                 

                                I know Neil has done roughs – any comments?

                                 

                                Rory did a great photoshop of Planet but I think he said “NO SEQUELS” (much like Heston said).

                                 

                                Neil – I thought you were going to draw these…….

                                 

                                I guess I’m just confused now!

                                Michael

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                                Group: potadg Message: 36871 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: DVD Covers
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                                Rory did a great photoshop of Planet but I think he said "NO SEQUELS" (much like Heston said).
                                 
                                It's so time consuming, that's the problem, but maybe I'll try BENEATH.
                                 
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36872 From: Neil Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: Revolution issue 2 in shops this week?
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                                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "canadianapefandan" <mystic4ever@...>
                                wrote:
                                > I'm close, too (London, Ontario).
                                > The comic shops got it here today, so it is out there on time!

                                -- This is great news, Vive le Revolution!

                                Neil
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                                Group: potadg Message: 36873 From: Michael Whitty Date: 2/15/2006
                                Subject: Re: DVD Covers
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                                I can imagine it would be time consuming Rory, but you certainly did such a wonderful job on it that I would love to see more.

                                 

                                Michael

                                 

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                                Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2006 9:27 AM
                                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: DVD Covers

                                 

                                 

                                Rory did a great photoshop of Planet but I think he said "NO SEQUELS" (much like Heston said).

                                 

                                It's so time consuming, that's the problem, but maybe I'll try BENEATH.

                                 

                                -- Rory


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