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I had posted an email a few days ago asking whether or not we'd be getting a pin-up from our resident APES artist Neil Foster in an upcoming issue of your APES comic?

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Ty already has answered this question. Check out his response here:

He didn't exactly answer it... He said that he would try to find room for one of the pin-ups in an upcoming story, but that in the first six issues, there wouldn't be room for a fully illustrated story by you... <.html <.html

I have been sent a few pin-ups over the last couple of weeks, including two excellent pages by Neil, and a marvelous oil painting of the Lawgiver by a girl who's name escapes me right now, but she's French Canadian, and scary good.  I've also just been told the next issue will contain three less pages of editorial content than usual, since our publisher has sold some interior pages for ads, (comics shops, and online subscriptions services, the usual indy-comics ad pages, etc.).  I'll be juggling here and there to find the right balance of pages (still over 28 pages of story and art in every issue!!).

BELIEVE me, the pin-ups are very much in my mind, and I am looking for a place to put them...possibly the sixth issue, (since we clearly won't need a Next Issue Ad in that one.)

Ty

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Actually, to be honest, I'm not that confused about the lack of nationalized medical care in the USA (the last Western nation yet to apply that system, making America a third world nation, in this respect.).  I've seen the way the US "President" and the American Senate works on a daily basis....Any federal decision that can enrich rich, bloated white people at the expense of the general public is automatically given a thumbs up.  They sold the public's health care to the insurance companies some years ago, and enjoy the continuing payoffs that flow into the coffers of "re-election campaigns".  It's a fairly simple story, out in the open, and not particularly hard to uncover.  Graft, and corruption on an epic scale. 

It's like Caligula and Nero aren't just role models to these guys, they're considered AMATEURS!   As a student and fan of choas and dystopia, this would be hysterically funny to watch American crash and burn into the sea, if people in Iraq and New Orleans weren't actually dying because of these incompetent crooks and liars currently in charge.

But I wonder, what's my actual opinion?

Ty the Guy. 

Whoops!  A fairly important word was accidentally edited out of that rant before I posted it, and I shriek that it has the almost opposite meaning of my original intent, as a result of that ommission.

  It should have said, "... this would be hysterically funny to watch American politician s crash and burn into the sea..."  For some reason, the word "politicians" disappeared between my ranting and my typing.  By NO means, would I enjoy watching America, the COUNTRY, crash and burn into the sea, good LORD no!  It's filled with wonderful people and nice mountains and mooses, and my favorite city on Earth (New York!).   It gave us Rod Serling, Stan Lee, and the Beatles...no wait.  That was the Monkees.

Anyway. 

TYPO.  TYPO...TYPO.

Ty the Guy.  Astounded by the trouble a single missing word can cause.  I'm ALREADY being investigated by the CIA.

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Why is my television on FAM?

And more importantly, why is an orangutan from

Time Of The Apes the Power Ranger's drill sergeant?

 

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Thanks for that Kirby 'Ape' page Neil.

I'm nearing the end of the "Tales to Astonish "book now and as Ty
mentions, Jacks output inevitably deteriorated towards the end.

Jack was still drawing an incredible 4 pages a day nearing his 70's.
His first page, drawn while he was still full of energy was always top
notch. The second page was OK. Things deteriorated by the third page,
and the fourth was always the worst. Also, by this time Jack had
already deferred some things to be drawn, such as logos on costumes
and stuff like that, to his inker at the time. Towards the end he
tried to have the inker even do more 'corrections', but the inker
balked at this as it was simply to much work for him.

Also, the book repeatedly mentions how Jack desperately wanted the
medical insurance he finally received when working on the Ruby-Spears
animation project. He suffered from severe frostbite during WWII and
nearly lost his legs as a result. His health was failing and he even
had a heart bypass operation that he had to cover up as he was worried
that his income would suffer if word got out.

I'm at the part of the book now where his fight to get back his art
from Marvel really began to heat up and became a 'cause celebre' in
the comic industry. The book details the terrible things Marvel was
doing to him. While Marvel had actually begun to return art to other
artists, Jack was treated very differently because Marvel was standing
on some very shaky ground when it came to the actual copyright on
those many Kirby characters. So Marvel believed that the act of giving
him back his own art could then be used by him to later seek copyright
ownership. It got to the point that Kirby could no longer even go to a
toy store as he knew he would be surround by his many creations and he
wasn't getting a single penny for all that surrounded him. Jack was a
victim of his own success.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:38 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Kirby POTA cartoon concept sketch

> Well, more to the point, these are sketches from Kirby's much,
> much, later
> years, when he's in his late seventies. As magnificent as Kirby
> was, in his
> prime, it's hard to reconcile some of his later work with the
> stuff he was
> doing decades earlier.
>
> The problem was that Kirby NEVER thought of himself as an
> illustrator, but
> always called himself a storyteller. He often said didn't likethe
> drawingso much as he liked telling a story with drawings. He
> hated covers, for
> instance, even though he was phenomenal at them, because they were
> illustrations, and not stories.
>
> SO, when he became a concept artist/layout artist for Ruby Spears
> in the
> Eighties, it was primarily because they paid him twice what Marvel
> paidhim....AND THEY GAVE HIM MEDICAL INSURANCE, which Marvel never
> did for their
> freelancers. (A confused Canadian wonders why the !@#)(#@* the US
> stilluses privatized medicine, but that's a discussion for another
> day). It
> wasn't for a chance for more drawing..
>
> ANYWAY, the work he did for Ruby Spears was storyboards and character
> designs, and the character designs weren't where Jack's heart lay.
> So a
> combination of disinterest, and the onset of old age, made Kirby's
> RubySpears work, less than his best. So, no picking on the aging
> genius, thank
> you very much.
>
> Ty the Guy. Leaping to the King's defence.
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@> wrote:
> > So, no picking on the aging genius, thank
> > you very much.
>
> -- Exactly. Well said Ty.
>
> Neil
>

Just to jump in here and echo these comments, well said Neil and
Ty. Drawing doesn't have too look like a photo...
Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:

>
> I have always heard it told that Carmine wanted Jack to do Planet of

the

> Apes (and was willing to buy the license)

Now you mention it, I seem to recall reading this somewhere, I've
read far too many interviews over the years they all blend over time :)
However one thing that is clear is how well Kamandi stands up after 30
years while many a fan favourite of the time has faded.

Best Graham.
(who's off to read the new Kirby collector and Back issue #14, with a
Mike Ploog interview,both just bought today.

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.html.html In a message dated 3/15/06 7:56:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah, I've seen that technique used in anime.
Sometimes it just doesn't work, esp a low
angle on a woman. It strikes you weird at
first. It looks like she has giant hands. 

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.html.html In a message dated 3/15/06 8:26:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

For those who care, it's entirely about Heston not releasing his face for licensing.  We can use any likeness for a made up APE actor (since the likeness is technically a creation of Fox), or use any still from the movies (including stills that use Heston's face) but we cannot create new art using Heston's face, or Montelban's or Braeden's faces for that matter.

Ty

I think Bela Lugosi's family took Universal to court over this because of the studio's use of DRACULA, which is so clearly just Lugosi in a cape.  They were making money off his image and not paying the family a dime.  I'm not sure how that case turned out though.

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Actually, to be honest, I'm not that confused about the lack of nationalized medical care in the USA (the last Western nation yet to apply that system, making America a third world nation, in this respect.).  I've seen the way the US "President" and the American Senate works on a daily basis....Any federal decision that can enrich rich, bloated white people at the expense of the general public is automatically given a thumbs up.  They sold the public's health care to the insurance companies some years ago, and enjoy the continuing payoffs that flow into the coffers of "re-election campaigns".  It's a fairly simple story, out in the open, and not particularly hard to uncover.  Graft, and corruption on an epic scale. 

It's like Caligula and Nero aren't just role models to these guys, they're considered AMATEURS!   As a student and fan of choas and dystopia, this would be hysterically funny to watch American crash and burn into the sea, if people in Iraq and New Orleans weren't actually dying because of these incompetent crooks and liars currently in charge.

But I wonder, what's my actual opinion?

Ty the Guy. 

I won't disagree with any of this.  What's really the outrage is that the people currently in power are truly such morons -- and of course they think they're so morally right about everything! 

You know, empires -- and the US is an empire -- they don't decline because of enemies from without, they fall because of the decadence from within, and by "decadence" I don't mean promiscuity or homosexuality or anything along those lines, I mean big things, like hypocrisy and corruption of the public trust.

When you take a good look at the current government in the States, well.... All I can say is...  THE ROT HAS BEGUN!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "hill19652000" <shop@...> wrote:

> (who's off to read the new Kirby collector and Back issue #14, with

a Mike Ploog interview,both just bought today.

-- Graham you do know that if Ploog mentions anything about Planet of
the Apes in that interview you have to share it with us don't you? ;-)

Neil

I never heard that about Bela Lugosi, but that was certainly the case
with Boris Karloff and his rendition of Frankenstein. In many cases
(where the detail was good enough) the Frankenstein merchandise was
clearly depictions of the Karloff face (with makeup of course).
I know that the cause was picked up by Karloff's daughter after he
passed away. Not sure of the outcome or even if it's still an ongoing
battle.

This does tie in with POTA, albeit loosely. It was none other than Tim
Burton that directed one of my most favorite movies of all time, "Ed
Wood", which featured the aging Bela. Bela was portrayed by Martin
Landau who went in to (deservedly!) win the Oscar for best supporting
actor that year. I just got the deluxe Ed Wood DVD a few weeks ago.
The Landau/Bela scenes alone make this movie one I can watch over and
over.
Just goes to show how a good script can make a movie and a bad (POTA)
can easily destroy a movie.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:53 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comments from Joseph O'Brien.

> In a message dated 3/15/06 8:26:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tybunny@... writes:
>
>
> > For those who care, it's entirely about Heston not releasing his
> face for
> > licensing. We can use any likeness for a made up APE actor
> (since the
> > likeness is technically a creation of Fox), or use any still
> from the movies
> > (including stills that use Heston's face) but we cannot create
> new art using
> > Heston's face, or Montelban's or Braeden's faces for that
> matter.
> >
> > Ty
> >
>
> I think Bela Lugosi's family took Universal to court over this
> because of the
> studio's use of DRACULA, which is so clearly just Lugosi in a
> cape. They
> were making money off his image and not paying the family a dime.
> I'm not sure
> how that case turned out though.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:

> ....Any federal decision that can enrich rich, bloated white people

at the expense of the general public is automatically given a thumbs
up.

-- This could also apply to Australia, in fact it could be most
countries around the world if you substitute their own race for 'white
people'!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

> Jack was still drawing an incredible 4 pages a day nearing his 70's.

His first page, drawn while he was still full of energy was always top
notch. The second page was OK. Things deteriorated by the third page,
and the fourth was always the worst

-- Wow that is pretty incredible, 4 pages a day at that age! I'm
betting even those 'worst' 4th pages were better than a lot of what is
around as well.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

> Well do we really know if this guy does have 'the clout' to do
> anything for us or is he just a mouthpiece? Has anyone here actually
> emailed him and had a response?

-- So I take it that none of us has emailed this Steve Feldstein bloke
at Fox to find out about POTA stuff? Rory didn't you say you were
going to email him? If so did you hear anything back from him?

Neil

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In a message dated 3/16/2006 2:33:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hmmm...you tell me! 

 

I have no idea.

Unless it's to stop people

channel surfing dead in their tracks,

because in that case, it works.

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-- So I take it that none of us has emailed this Steve Feldstein bloke
at Fox to find out about POTA stuff? Rory didn't you say you were
going to email him? If so did you hear anything back from him?

Neil

No, I haven't heard anything back from him, but that doesn't matter.  He has responded twice to James at the "other" POTA group.  That means the email address is real and I would guess this guy reads everything.  So, all that's important is that an effort is made.  How hard is it to send an email?

JUST DO IT!

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I'm sure you know Frank Schaffner there, but can anyone guess who the old guy is on the left?


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You should send him messages of encouragement.  Let him know that you're very interested.  He gave me this e-mail address: softparadeband@...   Write him.

Meanwhile here's a great behind the scenes still he emailed me.  That's Frank Schaffner standing at the far right with the hat on.  Now when you see that shot in the movie you'll know what's behind the camera.

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:29 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Another behind the scenes shot

Here's another behind-the-scenes shot from PLANET that Joe Russo sent me.

I'm sure you know Frank Schaffner there, but can anyone guess who the old guy is on the left?

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In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:21:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

That's not Boris Karloff, is it?! - - - Jeff

 

I was going to guess

Mort Abrahams

or maybe Bill Creber?

 

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.html.html In a message dated 3/17/06 12:21:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

That's not Boris Karloff, is it?! - - - Jeff

Are you serious?  No, that's not Dear Boris.

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In a message dated 3/16/2006 11:21:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

That's not Boris Karloff, is it?! - - - Jeff

I was going to guess
Mort Abrahams
or maybe Bill Creber?


No, it's not either of those guys.  Come on!  I thought this would be easy!

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Boulle?

Oh dear Lord!  Well, just keeping listing names, eventually you'll hit it!

Now think!  Who would be standing next to the director when he's setting up a shot?

OK, if no one gets it now that's it, you're out of the club!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:18 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Another behind the scenes shot

In a message dated 3/17/06 6:41:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Boulle?

Oh dear Lord!  Well, just keeping listing names, eventually you'll hit it!

Now think!  Who would be standing next to the director when he's setting up a shot?

OK, if no one gets it now that's it, you're out of the club!

-- Rory

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hill19652000" <shop@> wrote:
> > (who's off to read the new Kirby collector and Back issue #14,

with

> a Mike Ploog interview,both just bought today.
>
> -- Graham you do know that if Ploog mentions anything about Planet

of

> the Apes in that interview you have to share it with us don't

you? ;-)

>
> Neil
>

I would but he doesn't :) It was actually Back issue #15 I bought
with an Art Adams werewolf cover. Quite a lot of the issue is about
Marvel's Werewolf by Night title so the Ploog interview concentrates
on that. Ploog also had an interview in the latest Comics journal
which was much more wide rangeing but sadly again doesn't go into
detail about Terror.
Best wishes Graham.

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In a message dated 3/17/2006 7:26:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Oh dear Lord! 

 

Yes?

 

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The other day I caught the end of Mel Brooks' Spaceballs on the tele
and I was wondering if anyone knows who did the makeups for the two
apes on the beach near the end? Also the chimp costumes they were
wearing looked like they were authentic POTA ones, anyone know if they
actually were? If so would this be the last time that they were used
in a movie?

Curious Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> I talked to Joe Russo tonight and he has no idea how many APES fans

would be interested in him doing an updated version of POTA REVISITED
with added photos.

-- Everytime I see this book mentioned on any of these groups it
always seems to be described as Joe Russo's book. Now the copy I have
says it is written by Joe and Larry Landsman with Edward Gross. How
come these other two never seem to get mentioned? Did they in reality
have little to do with it? Or did these guys have a falling out or
something? Or is it just through laziness that they are never
mentioned? Just curious again!

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:36:30 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Everytime I see this book mentioned on any of these groups it
always seems to be described as Joe Russo's book. Now the copy I have
says it is written by Joe and Larry Landsman with Edward Gross. How
come these other two never seem to get mentioned

My guess is Russo is the "name" associated with the book, because he has the most recognized name of the three... I'd guess more APES fans have at least heard of Joe compared to Larry and/or Ed...

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Ed Gross is a very respected genre journalist, who's written books on Star Trek, Star Wars, POTA, and many many other shows, and related subjects.  His  book TREK NAVIGATOR is probably my favorite Trek book of the last ten years.

In fact, I tend to think of the Apes book we're discussing, as Ed's book, with help from the other two. I've corresponded with Ed a couple of times looking for info about the POTA, and have found his vast knowledge incredibly helpful.

My two cents.

Ty

I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is excellent.  It might be the last time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual last time was for the episode of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston in 1993, for which the people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to look like POTA characters, make up, costumes, hair, everything.  It's probably the most expensive episode of SNL ever shot, simply because of the opening sequence (which is about ten minutes long, and features Chris Farley, Heston, Phil Hartman, Adam Sandler, Michael McKean, etc. and the audience of at least fifty people, all in either ape make up, or future human rags.)

Ty

On 3/17/06, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

I'm curious too!

 

Nigel

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2006 11:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Spaceballs apes scene

 

The other day I caught the end of Mel Brooks' Spaceballs on the tele
and I was wondering if anyone knows who did the makeups for the two
apes on the beach near the end? Also the chimp costumes they were
wearing looked like they were authentic POTA ones, anyone know if they
actually were? If so would this be the last time that they were used
in a movie?

Curious Neil

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>From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
>Subject: Spaceballs apes scene
>The other day I caught the end of Mel Brooks' Spaceballs on the tele
>and I was wondering if anyone knows who did the makeups for the two
>apes on the beach near the end? Also the chimp costumes they were
>wearing looked like they were authentic POTA ones, anyone know if they
>actually were? If so would this be the last time that they were used
>in a movie?

It's funny you should ask that, as I was just discussing this same
subject with someone else today. I co-wrote an article on
Spaceballs' 17th anniversary (sounds odd, I know...we figured it was
a whacky anniversary to celebrate, so it was fitting) for Star Wars
Insider magazine that ended up not being published for a number of
reasons. For the article, I interviewed several actors from the
movie, and one of the things that came up while speaking with John
Hurt (name dropper!) was the POTA makeup. I was told that they were
granted permission to borrow some actual props from the movies,
though I don't know who was on the lending end.

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:36:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Or is it just through laziness that they are never mentioned?

 

I didn't even know about them.

Charlton Heston wrote the forward.

He get's mentioned quite a bit. A

lot of us were listed in Brian Pendreigh's

book, and we mention ourselves a lot.

No one ever mentions Robert Anderson's

book, The Unofficial Journey To The Planet

Of The Apes.  Maybe because no one has it.

I know I don't.  Anyone ever read that one?

 

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And what about these?

I've never heard of any of them . . .

 

Planet of the apes: The monkey planet (Unknown Binding)
by Charles Marshall

 

Planet of the apes: The official adaptation of the science fiction classic, based on the screenplay (Unknown Binding)
by Doug Moench

 

Planet of the Apes Annual (Hardcover)
by Anonymous (Author)

 

Zokkoku Nihon ron =: Born on the planet of the apes (Unknown Binding)
by Takahiko Soejima

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Planet of the apes: The monkey planet (Unknown Binding)
by Charles Marshall

This is that thing put out by ADVENTURE Comics, the compilation of their first four comics... It's horrible!

Planet of the apes: The official adaptation of the science fiction classic, based on the screenplay (Unknown Binding)
by Doug Moench


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I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is excellent.  It might be the last time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual last time was for the episode of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston in 1993, for which the people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to look like POTA characters, make up, costumes, hair, everything.

The make-ups in that skit are HORRIBLE!!!! Have you ever really looked at it?!? The cloting is decent, but the make-ups suck!

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for the saturday night live episode,they rented all the costumes which were all real from a guy in l.a. and paid for him to fly out to new york w/outfits for show. they didnt use any real masks they were all made up by there make up dept,i actually have 2 masks they used for tv episode ,you can see them on my web site under apes section at

www.billysbasement.com      goapebilly

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My guess is Russo is the "name" associated with the book, because he has the most recognized name of the three... I'd guess more APES fans have at least heard of Joe compared to Larry and/or Ed...

I just say "Joe Russo's book" because I forget about the other guys, whom I don't know, and because it's easier than having to write the other names -- IS THAT SOOOO WROOOOOOONG?!!!

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.html.html In a message dated 3/18/06 10:32:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

Ed Gross is a very respected genre journalist, who's written books on Star Trek, Star Wars, POTA, and many many other shows, and related subjects.  His  book TREK NAVIGATOR is probably my favorite Trek book of the last ten years.

In fact, I tend to think of the Apes book we're discussing, as Ed's book, with help from the other two. I've corresponded with Ed a couple of times looking for info about the POTA, and have found his vast knowledge incredibly helpful.

My two cents.

Ty

From what I know, Joe Russo and Larry Landsman did the research for the book way back in the early eighties, interviewing anyone they could get in touch with -- most of which was recorded on cassette, which I've heard parts of -- and by hanging out at Natalie Trundy's house which was the house she lived in with Arthur Jacobs and still held at that time all his personal papers.  They rented a copy machine and spent days copying anything they could find related to APES.  Russo still has this stuff and every so often he'll pull something out and read it to me over the phone, and it's fascinating, such as daily production sheets from the films that tell you exactly when shots were taken and who was on the set, and things like the original treatment to CONQUEST, which was going to be a much more elaborate production than what ended up being made, such as beginning with showing, via video news clips, the plague on dogs and cats.

Russo and Landsman also wrote the majority of the text of the book.  Edward Gross was hired by the publishers to do a professional polish on what was the "amateur" writing of the two fans that did most of the work.  That's the true story.  The book is basically the work of Russo and Landsman, and Landsman now is not interested in doing a further book, only Russo is.

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>
> Here's that Jack Kirby POTA cartoon proposal sketch from the 80's

that I

> mentioned earlier:
>
>
>
> Neil

ARRRRRGHHHH!!
I don't see anything!!!

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> Here's that Jack Kirby POTA cartoon proposal sketch from the 80's
that I
> mentioned earlier:
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>
> 
> Neil


ARRRRRGHHHH!!
I don't see anything!!!

No comment.

Anyway, is Jack Kirby dead and what was this POTA-like comic he did?

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I still have not ever seen this SNL sketch.....i'm
hoping it will turn up on some rarities DVD at some
point!

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> excellent. It might be the last
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> time was for the episode
> of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston in
> 1993, for which the
> people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to look
> like POTA characters, make
> up, costumes, hair, everything. It's probably the
> most expensive episode of
> SNL ever shot, simply because of the opening
> sequence (which is about ten
> minutes long, and features Chris Farley, Heston,
> Phil Hartman, Adam Sandler,
> Michael McKean, etc. and the audience of at least
> fifty people, all in
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Damn...would LOVE to see all that.....!

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--- Haristas@... wrote:
They

> rented a copy machine and spent days copying
> anything they could find related to
> APES. Russo still has this stuff and every so often
> he'll pull something out
> and read it to me over the phone, and it's
> fascinating, such as daily
> production sheets from the films that tell you
> exactly when shots were taken and who
> was on the set, and things like the original
> treatment to CONQUEST, which was
> going to be a much more elaborate production than
> what ended up being made,
> such as beginning with showing, via video news
> clips, the plague on dogs and
> cats.

Oh, I disagree.  Considering the budget and constraints of live TV, SNL did an excellent job with the make up, costumes, sets and props.  This probably cost them a hundred grand or more, for a ten minute sketch, they made up at least fifty actors/extras, re-shot the entire Saturday Night Live opening sequence (I think the entire band is made up as gorilla soldiers, I'll have to check my copy, I haven't watched it months) and rebuilt the SNL set to look like Ape City.  It's probably my favorite POTA cameo ever.  I like it better than their appearances on the Simpsons or the Spaceballs movie.

PLUS, it has Heston running through the sketch shouting "It's a MADHOUSE". 

Wonderful.

Ty

Ah, that explains much.

I did not know that.  I only knew of Ed's history with genre writing, and knew his style, (and very remotely know him.).

Ty

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I never saw that SNL apes episode, does anybody here have it copied to a DVD and willing to share with the group? Or sell?

 

I have been out of commission for months, but when I left I heard an apes rarity DVD was in the works by hunter, was that completed? If so can I get a copy? If it wasn't completed is it currently in the works?

 

Thanks

 

Tony

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/19/2006 11:53:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

Oh, I disagree.  Considering the budget and constraints of live TV, SNL did an excellent job with the make up, costumes, sets and props.  This probably cost them a hundred grand or more, for a ten minute sketch, they made up at least fifty actors/extras, re-shot the entire Saturday Night Live opening sequence (I think the entire band is made up as gorilla soldiers, I'll have to check my copy, I haven't watched it months) and rebuilt the SNL set to look like Ape City.  It's probably my favorite POTA cameo ever.  I like it better than their appearances on the Simpsons or the Spaceballs movie.

PLUS, it has Heston running through the sketch shouting "It's a MADHOUSE". 

Wonderful.

Ty

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 10:10:54 PM Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is excellent.  It might be the last time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual last time was for the episode of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston in 1993, for which the people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to look like POTA characters, make up, costumes, hair, everything.

The make-ups in that skit are HORRIBLE!!!! Have you ever really looked at it?!? The cloting is decent, but the make-ups suck!

 

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> And what about these?
> I've never heard of any of them . . .
> Planet of the Apes Annual (Hardcover)
> by _Anonymous_

-- I'd say this would be one of the 3 annuals that were released in
the UK in the mid to late 70's. I think that they may have been
scanned by Greg plonowski and are on Kass' TV site?

Neil

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every so often he'll pull something out and read it to me over the phone, and it's fascinating, such as daily production sheets from the films that tell you exactly when shots were taken and who was on the set, and things like the original treatment to CONQUEST

 

Now see, if he'd publish stuff like that in his new edition I'd buy it.

 

 

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In a message dated 3/19/2006 1:53:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

PLUS, it has Heston running through the sketch shouting "It's a MADHOUSE". 

 

Yeah, he's a really good sport to do that one.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Anyway, is Jack Kirby dead

-- Yes he is (but his work will live on forever!)

> and what was this POTA-like comic he did?

-- Kamandi, The Last Boy On Earth. DC comics, 59 issues from 1972
to '78.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Now see, if he'd publish stuff like that in his new edition I'd buy

it.

-- I would rather see this stuff in a new book myself as well, not
just an updated version of Revisted.

Neil

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-- Kamandi, The Last Boy On Earth. DC comics, 59 issues from 1972
to '78.

Neil

Was this some kind of post-apocalyptic saga?  I'm guessing it had talking apes?  Was "Kamandi" really the last boy on earth?

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I'd like to combine T's Zira story with a story about Zaius and LAZARUS

 

Lazarus . . . Lazarus!  Arise!

Is the Lazarus storyline dead, or what?

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Anyway, is Jack Kirby dead

-- Yes.

> and what was this POTA-like comic he did?

-- Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth (DC Comics/59 issues from 1972
to '78).
Not exactly POTA-like but it does have mute human 'animals' talking
animals (Tigers, Gorillas etc.) Bomb worship, a ruined Statue of
Liberty and such. ;-)

Neil

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> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > Anyway, is Jack Kirby dead
> -- Yes.
> > and what was this POTA-like comic he did?
> -- Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth (DC Comics/59 issues from 1972
> to '78).
> Not exactly POTA-like but it does have mute human 'animals' talking
> animals (Tigers, Gorillas etc.) Bomb worship, a ruined Statue of
> Liberty and such. ;-)

-- Wow! I posted this one almost 12 hours ago and it turns up now!
Isn't Yahoo great!!

Neil

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Maybe he should explore a "pay to view" internet site.

Well, send him an e-mail and suggest it then.<.html <.html

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-- Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth (DC Comics/59 issues from 1972
to '78).
Not exactly POTA-like but it does have mute human 'animals' talking
animals (Tigers, Gorillas etc.) Bomb worship, a ruined Statue of
Liberty and such. ;-)

Neil

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> Neil would.......

-- Except there really isn't any 'POTA like' panels to post...

Neil

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> hoping it will turn up on some rarities DVD at some
> point!
>
> Tim
>

If you go to Hunter's site and check the media sub-site there are a
couple of clips from this episode of SNL.

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> > I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is
> > excellent. It might be the last
> > time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual last
> > time was for the episode
> > of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston in
> > 1993, for which the
> > people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to look
> > like POTA characters, make
> > up, costumes, hair, everything. It's probably the
> > most expensive episode of
> > SNL ever shot, simply because of the opening
> > sequence (which is about ten
> > minutes long, and features Chris Farley, Heston,
> > Phil Hartman, Adam Sandler,
> > Michael McKean, etc. and the audience of at least
> > fifty people, all in
> > either ape make up, or future human rags.)
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> > costumes they were
> > > wearing looked like they were authentic POTA ones,
> > anyone know if they
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It's not like Fox had a legal position.  Copyright infringement requires that you lift characters or dialogue directly.  You can't trademark a basic IDEA.  The thought that an apocalyptic war destroys humanity, and animals rise up and learn to talk is CLEARLY based on POTA, but not close enough to be legally troubling.

It was the Statue of Liberty shot (included at the publisher's urging, by the way) that cements the obvious attempt to lure POTA fans to DC's Kamandi.  Kirby didn't want to do the statue, since it WAS so obviously ripping of POTA (whether it was a common feature on pulp covers is irrelevant, Jack knew what the image was doing on the cover of Kamandi #1), and complained about it in at least one interview I've read.

HOWEVER...

Kamandi QUICKLY gets away from talking gorillas, and ruined New York, and quickly turns into Kirby's own world of imagination.  Talking tigers, snakes and bears become more common than talking gorillas, and eventually we get a set of mutants that can turn into human missiles as their form of mutation (instead of bomb worship and googly skin, these guys actually transformed into living missiles, with Silver Surfer like features).  If you ever read Kirby's 2001 series in the mid eighties, you'd know he rarely sticks to the source material very long, his own imagination was unrestrainable.

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In a message dated 3/20/06 4:47:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Kamandi, The Last Boy on Earth (DC Comics/59 issues from 1972
to '78).
Not exactly POTA-like but it does have mute human 'animals' talking
animals (Tigers, Gorillas etc.) Bomb worship, a ruined Statue of
Liberty and such. ;-)

Neil


And Fox let him get away with that?

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> If you ever read Kirby's 2001 series in the mid eighties, you'd know

he rarely sticks to the source material very long, his own imagination
was unrestrainable.

-- Very true, that 2001 series only lasted 10 issues and it had
morphed into Machine Man by the 8th issue! I remember reading it in
the mid seventies though ;-)

Neil

Ty...you have a copy? Did you tape it a long tme ago
or is ot available somewhere...would love to see
it...can you post it or make a copy!??!

Tim

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> Oh, I disagree. Considering the budget and
> constraints of live TV, SNL did
> an excellent job with the make up, costumes, sets
> and props. This probably
> cost them a hundred grand or more, for a ten minute
> sketch, they made up at
> least fifty actors/extras, re-shot the entire
> Saturday Night Live opening
> sequence (I think the entire band is made up as
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> rebuilt the SNL set to
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> cameo ever. I like it
> better than their appearances on the Simpsons or the
> Spaceballs movie.
>
> PLUS, it has Heston running through the sketch
> shouting "It's a MADHOUSE".
>
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.html.html In a message dated 3/20/06 3:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Well here's the cover of the first issue. It features a ruined Statue of Liberty but though it is now associated with POTA it is an image that had featured on quite a few of the old pulp magazines before Apes used it.

That cover really looks rather dated now.

Anyway, this Kamandi guy doesn't look much like a "boy"!  Looks like at least a nineteen-year-old man to me!  I hope he found a Nova before the story ended and got laid, the poor thing!

-- Rory<.html <.html

I have a copy ( on dvd, as a matter of fact) but it's not an "official release" or anything, simply taken off of an aired version of the episode with a home DVD burner.  I have absolutely NO idea how to convert it to an mpeg or anything technical like that, since I'm a writer/artist and not a techy.  (I have MOST of the 600 or more SNL episodes on DVD or video.  SNL is another of my long standing fandoms.  As a result, I have the Heston episode, the Shatner one, the Patrick Stewart one, the Anthony Perkins, etc. etc. with all the fun genre sketches that have been done over the years.)



The sketch is at least ten minutes long in total, and WAAAAY to long to send over the net.
HOWEVER, Hunter Goatley has a few tiny clips of the show on his website (or at least in the multi media subsite) and you can at least see it there.

Ty

On 3/20/06, Tim apefan < apefan23@...> wrote:

Ty...you have a copy? Did you tape it a long tme ago
or is ot available somewhere...would love to see
it...can you post it or make a copy!??!

Tim

--- Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:

> Oh, I disagree.  Considering the budget and
> constraints of live TV, SNL did
> an excellent job with the make up, costumes, sets
> and props.  This probably
> cost them a hundred grand or more, for a ten minute
> sketch, they made up at
> least fifty actors/extras, re-shot the entire
> Saturday Night Live opening
> sequence (I think the entire band is made up as
> gorilla soldiers, I'll have
> to check my copy, I haven't watched it months) and
> rebuilt the SNL set to
> look like Ape City.  It's probably my favorite POTA
> cameo ever.  I like it
> better than their appearances on the Simpsons or the
> Spaceballs movie.
>
> PLUS, it has Heston running through the sketch
> shouting "It's a MADHOUSE".
>
> Wonderful.
>
> Ty
>
> On 3/19/06, mlccougar@... < mlccougar@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/18/2006 10:10:54 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> > tybunny@... writes:
> >
> > I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is
> excellent.  It might be the
> > last time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual
> last time was for the
> > episode of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton
> Heston in 1993, for which
> > the people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to
> look like POTA characters,
> > make up, costumes, hair, everything.
> >
> >
> >
> > The make-ups in that skit are HORRIBLE!!!! Have
> you ever really looked at
> > it?!? The cloting is decent, but the make-ups
> suck!
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Kamandi does find his own Nova, actually, rather quickly.  I seem to remember her name is "flower" or "violet" or something floral.  I could go check the issues, but they're in another room...She also happened to be topless, with strategically placed hair in every panel.  To a thirteen year old reader, that was more memorable than her name.

Ty the Memory Challenged Guy.

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-- Speaking of the Statue of Liberty in the future here is a depiction from 1941:

I wonder if Rod Serling ever saw that!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 3/20/06 7:28:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

Kamandi does find his own Nova, actually, rather quickly.  I seem to remember her name is "flower" or "violet" or something floral.  I could go check the issues, but they're in another room...She also happened to be topless, with strategically placed hair in every panel.  To a thirteen year old reader, that was more memorable than her name.

If you find the issues will the pages be stuck together?!  HA! HA! HA!<.html <.html

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Seems they resolved who's ending it was.

Though they don't come out and say it,

Since the article is about Serling's writings

being archived at Ithaca College it's likely

in favor of him.  Who else could it be.

 

An examination of the evolution of Serling's screenplay for the 1967 film "Planet of the Apes" by Gordon Webb, assistant professor of television-radio at Ithaca College. Based on material from the Rod Serling Archives and interviews with people involved in the film, Webb's research settled once and for all the issue of who first conjured up the movie's classic twist ending.

 

 

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Man thanks John! Those were great....Liked the Robert
Smeigel toon too! I keep forgetting about that
treasure trove buried in Hunter's site....STILL want
to see the whole thing with the opening
credits.....Would love both the SNL things to keep!
Anyone have all of these?!?!?

TIm

--- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > I still have not ever seen this SNL sketch.....i'm
> > hoping it will turn up on some rarities DVD at
> some
> > point!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> If you go to Hunter's site and check the media
> sub-site there are a
> couple of clips from this episode of SNL.
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll agree the ape make up in Spaceballs is
> > > excellent. It might be the last
> > > time used in a movie, but I'll bet the actual
> last
> > > time was for the episode
> > > of Saturday Night Live hosted by Charlton Heston
> in
> > > 1993, for which the
> > > people at SNL made up the ENTIRE AUDIENCE to
> look
> > > like POTA characters, make
> > > up, costumes, hair, everything. It's probably
> the
> > > most expensive episode of
> > > SNL ever shot, simply because of the opening
> > > sequence (which is about ten
> > > minutes long, and features Chris Farley, Heston,
> > > Phil Hartman, Adam Sandler,
> > > Michael McKean, etc. and the audience of at
> least
> > > fifty people, all in
> > > either ape make up, or future human rags.)
> > >
> > > Ty
> > >
> > > On 3/17/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious too!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nigel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> > > > Of *Neil
> > > > *Sent:* Saturday, 18 March 2006 11:27 AM
> > > > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Spaceballs apes scene
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The other day I caught the end of Mel Brooks'
> > > Spaceballs on the tele
> > > > and I was wondering if anyone knows who did
> the
> > > makeups for the two
> > > > apes on the beach near the end? Also the chimp
> > > costumes they were
> > > > wearing looked like they were authentic POTA
> ones,
> > > anyone know if they
> > > > actually were? If so would this be the last
> time
> > > that they were used
> > > > in a movie?
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