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I think they did a good job with the cartoons. The sound is terrific.
It's the first time I've been able to really appreciate the music. The first
three episodes have kind of shoddy prints but after that the picture is
gorgeous. As far as "improvements" for the separate release, they're going
in the opposite direction. The Fox person said they want to put all the
episodes on one DVD. That means less quality, not more. - - - Jeff

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> the scenes that are meant to be restored to it there?
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In a message dated 3/30/2006 7:33:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Neil GETS bent often prior to drawing!  :-)

 

I do all my writing right before bed.

Right after the Ambien kicks in.

Just avoid driving or operating

heavy machinery.

 

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In a message dated 3/31/2006 4:30:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I used to do it around 2-3am when I could not sleep and the thoughts would come racing to me.

 

There's something to be said for it.

When you're in a waking state the

thoughts just flow.  Some genius

back in the DaVinci / Galileo

days used to go to bed with an

iron ball in his hand over a copper

kettle.  When he got sleepy his

grip relaxed and the ball dropped

and woke him up so he could

write down any ideas that came

to him.  That's a novel approach.

 

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Yes. Absolutely she should ride side saddle

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In a message dated 3/29/2006 2:17:17 AM Central Standard Time,
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Did/Should Zira always ride Sidesaddle?

Yes


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> Yes. Absolutely she should ride side saddle

-- That's fine but as I replied earlier whilst I am drawing this story
she will NOT be riding sidesaddle.
I mean just becasue we see her riding that way in one small part of
the movie does not mean that is how she would always have ridden.

I also asked if there would be any interest in seeing this storyline
done in the Within strip format and I take it from the lack of any
responses that no one does?

Neil

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> That's what I'm doing tonight! :-)

-- So did it work then?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> We are writing "Apeback Mountain" as I type.... :-)

-- I think you may have to look out for copyright infringement there
Michael. I'm sure I have already read a small sample of a story with
that title recently. ;-)

Neil

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In a message dated 3/31/2006 3:36:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

That's what I'm doing tonight!  J

 

Yeah I saw that on Connections or something.

It didn't work for me though.  I unscrewed the

iron ball off a walking stick and held it over

a copper can from some fire lighters.  The

noise was so jarring the start drove what

ever ideas, if any, right out of my head.

Maybe reading a book to sleep will

work.  It usually falls on my face.

 

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I am interested. :)

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>OK so I guess from your silence you are not interested? :-)
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>Can you draw? :-)
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I'd like to see it!

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I also asked if there would be any interest in seeing this storyline
done in the Within strip format and I take it from the lack of any
responses that no one does?

Neil

.html.html OK, Michael Whitty, this info is for your benefit because you asked for it.

I think you already have the Region 4, PAL version of the PLANET 35th Anniversary edition.  If so, you can safely skip the new DVD of PLANET.  Whether in the Ultimate Edition, the Legacy box set, or just separately, the content of the new disc of PLANET is the same: same menus, commentaries, picture and sound transfer. 

James in the other group has said he thinks PLANET looks better in this new edition, but I can't see any difference and feel there simply isn't one.  Fox has simply put new artwork on the discs themselves, that's all.

So... if you're looking to save your money -- and don't want the HEAD -- then you're going to want to go with the separate issue DVDs... of the sequels that is!

The transfers of the sequels have been improved.  Besides now being in anamorphic, the transfers are all sharper with better detail and color fidelity.  ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE (even the extended scenes) all look great.  There is a minor problem with BENEATH -- the picture is noticeably brighter than it's ever looked before, however turning down the brightness on your monitor remedies this easily enough if it bothers you.  The color in BENEATH sometimes seems a little over-saturated, but not all the time.  For the most part it looks great.  You may also find that many of the darker scenes in CONQUEST are too dark, but I think this was the look intended when it was made, and again, if it bothers you simply turn up the brightness a bit.  I haven't looked at much of ESCAPE and from what I've seen of BATTLE I can just tell you that everything looks great and the colors really pop.  Hopefully this is what will be released in PAL in Australia.  If so, you won't be disappointed.  On your brother's plasma screen you should be blown away!

I know in Region 4 you already have these films in anamorphic and in PAL, but these new DVDs should be new transfers and if they are what is released in Australia next month (May, I believe), you'll want to check them out.  I don't know if you'll end up simply having to buy the Legacy boxed set anyway, as that may still be cheaper buying them together than buying them separately, but you'll know best what to do.

You'll definitely want these new sequel transfers for the improved sound and the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtracks on the discs.  There is a very apparent improvement in the definition of the stereo separations on all the films, and of course ESCAPE is now in stereo.  The sound of the new scenes in BATTLE has also been cleaned up quite a bit.  What's disappointing is that the music has still been culled from mono sources and has none of the stereo separation or fidelity of what can be heard on the APES soundtrack CDs (it's very center channel dominated), but it's still better than what was put out on DVD before, primarily it is the added bass that turns up in the .1 channel of the Dolby Digital tracks that gives all the films greater audio presence.  The earth splitting open in BENEATH, for example, will now really rumble the room if you have a subwoofer.

So, that's it.  I won't consider buying the NTSC versions, if you have been.  You'll want this new stuff in PAL.

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You'll all be able to see what I'm talking about in the attached photo.  It's a scan of the insert sheet that's included inside the DVD case.  On the back of it are the chapter titles for the film, but the egregious part of the artwork is also repeated on the back cover of the case!

Now, what has got me so mad?  Some joker at Fox has apparently thought it would be a cool idea to link the EGREGIOUS (My new favorite word, if you haven't guessed yet) Burton remake-piece-of-crap by putting one of those swords or whatever from the new movie into the hand of a gorilla in General Ursus' army in BENEATH!  You'll see it above the head of the gorilla on horseback in the attached photo.

Now, I don't know about you, but for me this is the kind of a thing that's got to be stopped now before it spreads like a deadly disease!

I'd like to request that any APES fan here that cares copy the attached image, put it into an email and send it to: steve.feldstein@...

Tell him quite simply that this is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!  AND THAT FOX SHOULD KNOCK IT OFF NOW!

By the sacred blood of the Lawgiver, I hope that everyone here will join me in this cause!

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In a message dated 4/1/2006 10:15:14 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

By the sacred blood of the Lawgiver, I hope that everyone here will join me in this cause!

-- Rory

Rory for once I agree with you!

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Are you people really serious about this. Do you people remember what
day this is!!!

Hint. April 1st

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Egregious APES cover art!

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Rory for once I agree with you!

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If it's an april fools joke, it's a darned well photohsopped one.

Ty

Actually you may be right. I was watching a western on AMC earlier
today and two of the female stars in the movie were riding like every
one else NOT sidesaddle. So I am wrong about Zira riding sidesaddle.

Kevin
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Sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:18:57 +1100
Subject: [PotaDG] Young Doctor Within Zira

I'd like to see it!



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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
> Yes. Absolutely she should ride side saddle

-- That's fine but as I replied earlier whilst I am drawing this story
she will NOT be riding sidesaddle.
I mean just becasue we see her riding that way in one small part of
the movie does not mean that is how she would always have ridden.

I also asked if there would be any interest in seeing this storyline
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They also used a pic of Zira Milo and Cornelius on one
of the TV Discs....

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/29/06 1:56:18 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > Purists should know that they use a picture from
> "Beneath" on the DVD for
> > the original movie.
>
> Those dumb bastards at Fox!!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

I like Beneath because it is the only other film that
is in the same world of the first.....I'd say Battle
is the worst....but I still like them all!

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 3/30/2006 3:50:01 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> She only got a very small roll T.
> For pure escapism, Beneath is great.
>
>
>
> That's the reason she did it. Same as Heston.
> They just needed a few scenes for continuity.
> And she wanted to be a good sport about it.
> Escape on the other hand was a sheer ego
> trip, as she put it, because it was, except
> for Sal at the beginning, all her and Roddy.
> And, unlike Roddy, she was not about to
> let someone else play her beloved Dr. Zira.
>
>

The Battle insert on the Legacy set uses a pic from
Conquest too....

--- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> They also used a pic of Zira Milo and Cornelius on
> one
> of the TV Discs....
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 3/29/06 1:56:18 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Purists should know that they use a picture from
> > "Beneath" on the DVD for
> > > the original movie.
> >
> > Those dumb bastards at Fox!!!!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 4/1/2006 1:36:00 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

They also used a pic of Zira Milo and Cornelius on one
of the TV Discs....

I never got an answer to what I asked Veetus: Did they include the reported TV series stills galleries on these DVDs? And did you manage to find the TV series promos? (Not that I don't believe they didn't include them, but maybe he just overlooked them...?)

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/2006 1:51:28 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I like Beneath because it is the only other film that
is in the same world of the first.....

*** I like Beneath as well... The reason that it is the only sequel actually set on the ape ruled planet is one of the biggest reasons I like it as well... And things like Ursus, the fiery Lawgiver scene, the mask removal, etc. all are cool too...

One of the biggest things I *don't* like about Beneath is the sets fo the mutants headquarters and the church... Those look like sh*t to me... There is WAY TOO MUCH foam applied... I don't know if they were trying to make it look like it was all "melted", but if they did, they failed... And if they were trying to give the appearance of it having become "cave like", they failed there too...***

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its all about opinions, that's all it comes down to. I loved beneath, cant stand the new apes flick.

 

Tony

 

 

In a message dated 4/1/2006 11:51:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I like Beneath because it is the only other film that
is in the same world of the first.....I'd say Battle
is the worst....but I still like them all!

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 3/30/2006 3:50:01 P.M. Central
> Standard Time, 
> whitty@... writes:
>
> She only got a very  small roll T. 
> For pure escapism,  Beneath is great.
>
>
> 
> That's the reason she did it.  Same as Heston.
> They just needed a few scenes for continuity.
> And she wanted to be a good sport about it.
> Escape on the other hand was a sheer ego
> trip, as she put it, because it was, except
> for Sal at the beginning, all her and Roddy.
> And, unlike Roddy, she was not about to
> let someone else play her beloved Dr. Zira.
> 
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Do You

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 12:38:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Are you people really serious about this. Do you people remember what
day this is!!!

Hint. April 1st

Didn't notice it's April 1st.  Doesn't mean a thing to me.  Dead serious.  Cover artwork is real.... AND I DON'T LIKE IT!

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 1:43:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

If you ain't foolin' my April bones, then I will create an army to destroy Fox for this!  J

I'd like to kick the ass of the one who thought this a April Fool's joke -- THE DAMN FOOL!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 3:20:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I never got an answer to what I asked Veetus: Did they include the reported TV series stills galleries on these DVDs? And did you manage to find the TV series promos? (Not that I don't believe they didn't include them, but maybe he just overlooked them...?)

NO!  They're the same discs as before!  Fox lied!  Those bloody bastards!

-- Rory<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> OK so I guess from your silence you are not interested? :-)

-- Oh I'm interested, I just had to go and do other things but I'm
back now!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Some joker at Fox has apparently thought it would be a cool idea to

link the EGREGIOUS (My new favorite word, if you haven't guessed yet)
Burton remake-piece-of-crap by putting one of those swords or whatever
from the new movie into the hand of a gorilla in General Ursus' army
in BENEATH! You'll see it above the head of the gorilla on horseback
in the attached photo.

-- Wow, that is disgusting, how dare they do something like this. This
just beggars belief!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

> I never got an answer to what I asked Veetus: Did they include the

reported TV series stills galleries on these DVDs? And did you manage
to find the TV series promos?

-- And I'd still like to know from anyone who has it if ALL the
deleted scenes have been restored to Battle?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> I think things are working pretty well in the storyboard format,

although I repeat my suggestion that it would be interestung to see
them with color added.

-- Fine, I'll upload the next couple soon then.

> If you think the story would be better served by the Within

format, then I think that's your call to make as the artist and
storyteller, in cooperation with the writer.

-- Well I have actually done versions in the strip format but I did do
it for myself just to see how they would look.

Neil

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Maybe that joker put that in there because it was going to be released
on April 4th as an April Fools Joke but then Fox moved the date back
to the 28th.

kevin

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Sent: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:12:52 -0000
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Egregious APES cover art!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Some joker at Fox has apparently thought it would be a cool idea to
link the EGREGIOUS (My new favorite word, if you haven't guessed yet)
Burton remake-piece-of-crap by putting one of those swords or whatever
from the new movie into the hand of a gorilla in General Ursus' army
in BENEATH! You'll see it above the head of the gorilla on horseback
in the attached photo.

-- Wow, that is disgusting, how dare they do something like this. This
just beggars belief!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Didn't notice it's April 1st. Doesn't mean a thing to me. Dead

serious.

> Cover artwork is real.... AND I DON'T LIKE IT!

-- So have they tried to sneak this sort of crap into any of the other
discs' artwork?

Neil

I don't know the name of the western but it starred Jimmy Stewart,
Maureen O'Hara, Brian Keith and a British female actress that her I
completely forgot.

Kevin

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Young Doctor Within Zira

Actually you may be right. I was watching a western on AMC earlier
today and two of the female stars in the movie were riding like every
one else NOT sidesaddle. So I am wrong about Zira riding sidesaddle.

Kevin
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Sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:18:57 +1100
Subject: [PotaDG] Young Doctor Within Zira

I'd like to see it!



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Of Neil
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Young Doctor Zira

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
> Yes. Absolutely she should ride side saddle

-- That's fine but as I replied earlier whilst I am drawing this story
she will NOT be riding sidesaddle.
I mean just becasue we see her riding that way in one small part of
the movie does not mean that is how she would always have ridden.

I also asked if there would be any interest in seeing this storyline
done in the Within strip format and I take it from the lack of any
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In a message dated 4/1/2006 12:35:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Actually you may be right. I was watching a western on AMC earlier
today and two of the female stars in the movie were riding like every
one else NOT sidesaddle. So I am wrong about Zira riding sidesaddle.

 

There is no such thing as a Western Sidesaddle.

All the saddles on the POTA were English saddles.

English saddles are standard issue for military use.

The reason females ride sidesaddle is the skirt.

The same reason a girl's bike has no top bar

on the frame.  The reason I suggested she

ride one was that young female chimps

wear skirts.  However, as had been

suggested, Zira is a bit of a tomboy.

And there's no reason she couldn't

have altered a pair of her father's

old pants into a pair do riding

breeches.  But I secretly

suspect it's because it's

easier for Neil to draw. 

 ; )

 

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> But I secretly
> suspect it's because it's
> easier for Neil to draw.
> ; )

-- And also looks better I think.

Neil

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In a message dated 4/1/2006 2:32:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** I like Beneath as well... The reason that it is the only sequel actually set on the ape ruled planet is one of the biggest reasons I like it as well... And things like Ursus, the fiery Lawgiver scene, the mask removal, etc. all are cool too...

 

Speaking of mask removal...

In this age of colorization and Lucas

computer enhanced scenes, there should

be a way to clone the full makeup gorillas

over those gorillas in the Halloween masks.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Speaking of mask removal...
> In this age of colorization and Lucas
> computer enhanced scenes, there should
> be a way to clone the full makeup gorillas
> over those gorillas in the Halloween masks.

-- Yeah and whilst they are at it they could also add some of those
POTA 2001 swords too! ;-)

Neil

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In a message dated 4/1/2006 8:05:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

I don't know the name of the western

The Rare Breed (1966)

 

 

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In a message dated 4/1/2006 9:03:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- And also looks better I think.

 

Perhaps...

I just wish you'd redraw that one I sen you.

I was really looking forward to seeing that

frame drawn by someone that can really draw.

I'll make you a deal.  I'll finish the story when

you redraw the storyboard I sent you.  Deal?

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> I just wish you'd redraw that one I sen you.
> I was really looking forward to seeing that
> frame drawn by someone that can really draw.
> I'll make you a deal. I'll finish the story when
> you redraw the storyboard I sent you. Deal?

-- Oh all right then. As soon as I get the chance, so stay tuned for
the next few days.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>> The Battle insert on the Legacy set uses a pic from
> Conquest too....

-- Any chance of seeing some scans of all these 'out of place' pictures?

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Too bad that I'm playing hard to get now! :-)

-- Too bad that if you ever do send the pages to me my youngest lad
Tim will be drawing them. ;-)

Neil

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I don't know the name of the western

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Reminder from the Calendar of PotaDG
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/cal
>
> Mark T-B's Birthday!
> Sunday April 2, 2006
> All Day
> (This event repeats every year.)

-- How the heck did this get in here? Does this bloke even post on
here anymore?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> He's not so bad.....
> So I'll address all further packages to Tim? :-)

-- Okay then, and how about we get Ray to assist him, remember that
page of Beware the Beast that they did?

Neil

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In a message dated 4/1/2006 9:42:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Oh all right then. As soon as I get the chance, so stay tuned for
the next few days.

 

Fantastic!

You are too cool Neil!

I shall look forward to it with

great eagerness.  You da Man!

 

 

 

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Almost sounds like the rambling's of Eric Greene. Scary.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many of you are aware of, or have seen this. In
1973,
> in England, Tom Stacey Reprints Ltd. released a new hardback
version of
> Boulle's Planet of the Apes (in fact this was the first time the
book
> was released in the UK with this title instead of Monkey Planet)
>
> Now what is interesting about this version is that it had an
> introduction by a certain Paul Dehn.
> I have included it with this post as I think it makes interesting
> reading:
>
>
> Pierre Boulle's two classics - Bridge over the River Kwai and
> Planet of the Apes - both served as springboards for films
> which vastly increased the already vast circulation achieved by
> the novels. But whereas the film-adaptation of Kwai was a fairly
> faithful adaptation of Boulle's original, that of Apes was, in one
> respect, brilliantly unfaithful and turned a successful novel into
> an international cult.
>
> In the book two space-voyagers (far be it from me to reveal their
> identity!) travel to the planet Betelgeuse, which resembles Earth
> except in one vital particular. "Evolution has favoured the Simian
> species instead of the Human. Man is naked, wild, dumb; Ape is
> clothed, civilised, articulate."
>
> In the film an astronaut (played by Charlton Heston) lands on
> what he and his crew believe to be an alien planet - likewise
> inhabited by intelligent Apes and dumb Humans - only to
> discover that his spaceship has passed through a forward
> warp in Time. Riding away from Ape city at the picture's end, he
> happens upon New York's Statue of Liberty buried neck-high in
> barren, radioactive sand. So he knows that he is on Earth, that
> he has seen Earth's fate in the far-distant future and that
> Humans will one day lay waste their own planet which will
> thenceforward become dominated by Apes.
>
> This denouement fired the imagination of three audience-groups
> who might not otherwise have read the novel: the children,
> because the film (like the book) was top notch Science Fiction;
> the student-adolescents, who hated what the Human Race had
> become and who "identified" with its rebellious Simian
> successors; and the negroes who equated future Ape
> Domination with Black Power.
>
> The film (in whose adaptation I had no hand) was a huge
> commercial success and I was asked to script a sequel based
> on Boulle's characters. " But," said 20th Century Fox, "This will
> be the only sequel." It was not their intention (I took it) to run
a
> series whose successive titles might one day accrete to the
> unmanageability of "Satellite of the Planet of the Sons of Apes
> Revisited." So in order to ensure the sequel's absolute finality, I
> was given the strict instruction to destroy the entire world (and
> with it, a fortiori, the entire cast) at the picture's end. This I
> dutifully did; and, six months later, received a cablegram from
Fox,
> saying: "FILM GREAT SUCCESS FURTHER SEQUEL REQUIRED".
>
> I have now worked on four sequels - each of which, my
> producers always promised me, would be positively the last in
> the series. But, these days, I always take care to leave my
> options open at each screenplay's end. Boulle's two intelligent
> chimpanzees Zira and Cornelius, are now dead and so are (my
> own inventions) their son, Caesar, and his son, Cornelius II.
>
> The success of the sequels must in honesty be chiefly
> attributed to the explosive power of Boulle's original concept as
> exemplified in the book you are about to read. The decline and
> fall of the Human Race and the upsurgence of Primates able to
> speak and reason provide a superb framework for exciting
> action, astringent satire, and the gift for prophecy which daily
> edges nearer fulfilment. The Human Race is declining. Apes are
> being taught by primatologists to solve complex physical
> problems, to make reasoned choices, and to communicate with
> the Human Beings - so far only by an already sophisticated
> sign-language.
>
> But who knows when an Ape's last grunt will turn into his first
> word? Or, indeed, when Man's last word will turn into his first
> grunt?
>
> Paul Dehn (1973)
>
>
> Neil
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> Almost sounds like the rambling's of Eric Greene. Scary.

-- How so?

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 9:18:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- And I'd still like to know from anyone who has it if ALL the
deleted scenes have been restored to Battle?

Neil

Since the running time of BATTLE is now 96 minutes, YES!, they've ALL been restored -- and they look and sound better than ever.

On the DVD menu screen it now says "BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES Extended Version," so I guess the "theatrical version" is still to be recognized, but for all intent and purpose I think Fox now wants the Extended Version to replace it.

One more thing, from the high quality of the extended scenes, and the cleanup done on the sound, this transfer had to have been prepared and "in the can" long before any petition!

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 9:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Didn't notice it's April 1st.  Doesn't mean a thing to me.  Dead
serious.
> Cover artwork is real.... AND I DON'T LIKE IT!

-- So have they tried to sneak this sort of crap into any of the other
discs' artwork?

Neil

No.  The only other EGREGIOUS thing -- other than getting photos from the different movies mixed up, which is a long tradition at Fox -- they have a photo of what looks like some real astronauts in space suits on the cover for ESCAPE!

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 11:09:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

I don't know how many of you are aware of, or have seen this. In 1973, in England, Tom Stacey Reprints Ltd. released a new hardback version of Boulle's Planet of the Apes (in fact this was the first time the book was released in the UK with this title instead of Monkey Planet)

Now what is interesting about this version is that it had an introduction by a certain Paul Dehn.
I have included it with this post as I think it makes interesting reading:


Thanks for sharing that!  Very interesting!  "Lost" words from Dehn.

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.html.html In a message dated 4/1/06 11:15:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Speaking of mask removal...
In this age of colorization and Lucas
computer enhanced scenes, there should
be a way to clone the full makeup gorillas
over those gorillas in the Halloween masks.

Then Fox would have to put out a new DVD set:  PLANET OF THE APES Special Editions:  where every flaw has been "digitally corrected."  No more seeing real mouths inside the ape ones, no more Roddy McDowall bare necks, no hatch off the spaceship before it's been blown! Etc, etc.<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 4/2/06 12:10:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Any chance of seeing some scans of all these 'out of place' pictures?

Neil

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" ...and the negroes who equated future Ape

> Domination with Black Power."





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> > Almost sounds like the rambling's of Eric Greene. Scary.
>
> -- How so?
>
> Neil
>

Neil....do you have a scan of the cover of this book?
I would like to see it...

Thanks TIm

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> I don't know how many of you are aware of, or have
> seen this. In 1973,
> in England, Tom Stacey Reprints Ltd. released a new
> hardback version of
> Boulle's Planet of the Apes (in fact this was the
> first time the book
> was released in the UK with this title instead of
> Monkey Planet)
>
> Now what is interesting about this version is that
> it had an
> introduction by a certain Paul Dehn.
> I have included it with this post as I think it
> makes interesting
> reading:
>
>
> Pierre Boulle's two classics - Bridge over the River
> Kwai and
> Planet of the Apes - both served as springboards for
> films
> which vastly increased the already vast circulation
> achieved by
> the novels. But whereas the film-adaptation of Kwai
> was a fairly
> faithful adaptation of Boulle's original, that of
> Apes was, in one
> respect, brilliantly unfaithful and turned a
> successful novel into
> an international cult.
>
> In the book two space-voyagers (far be it from me to
> reveal their
> identity!) travel to the planet Betelgeuse, which
> resembles Earth
> except in one vital particular. "Evolution has
> favoured the Simian
> species instead of the Human. Man is naked, wild,
> dumb; Ape is
> clothed, civilised, articulate."
>
> In the film an astronaut (played by Charlton Heston)
> lands on
> what he and his crew believe to be an alien planet -
> likewise
> inhabited by intelligent Apes and dumb Humans - only
> to
> discover that his spaceship has passed through a
> forward
> warp in Time. Riding away from Ape city at the
> picture's end, he
> happens upon New York's Statue of Liberty buried
> neck-high in
> barren, radioactive sand. So he knows that he is on
> Earth, that
> he has seen Earth's fate in the far-distant future
> and that
> Humans will one day lay waste their own planet which
> will
> thenceforward become dominated by Apes.
>
> This denouement fired the imagination of three
> audience-groups
> who might not otherwise have read the novel: the
> children,
> because the film (like the book) was top notch
> Science Fiction;
> the student-adolescents, who hated what the Human
> Race had
> become and who "identified" with its rebellious
> Simian
> successors; and the negroes who equated future Ape
> Domination with Black Power.
>
> The film (in whose adaptation I had no hand) was a
> huge
> commercial success and I was asked to script a
> sequel based
> on Boulle's characters. " But," said 20th Century
> Fox, "This will
> be the only sequel." It was not their intention (I
> took it) to run a
> series whose successive titles might one day accrete
> to the
> unmanageability of "Satellite of the Planet of the
> Sons of Apes
> Revisited." So in order to ensure the sequel's
> absolute finality, I
> was given the strict instruction to destroy the
> entire world (and
> with it, a fortiori, the entire cast) at the
> picture's end. This I
> dutifully did; and, six months later, received a
> cablegram from Fox,
> saying: "FILM GREAT SUCCESS FURTHER SEQUEL
> REQUIRED".
>
> I have now worked on four sequels - each of which,
> my
> producers always promised me, would be positively
> the last in
> the series. But, these days, I always take care to
> leave my
> options open at each screenplay's end. Boulle's two
> intelligent
> chimpanzees Zira and Cornelius, are now dead and so
> are (my
> own inventions) their son, Caesar, and his son,
> Cornelius II.
>
> The success of the sequels must in honesty be
> chiefly
> attributed to the explosive power of Boulle's
> original concept as
> exemplified in the book you are about to read. The
> decline and
> fall of the Human Race and the upsurgence of
> Primates able to
> speak and reason provide a superb framework for
> exciting
> action, astringent satire, and the gift for prophecy
> which daily
> edges nearer fulfilment. The Human Race is
> declining. Apes are
> being taught by primatologists to solve complex
> physical
> problems, to make reasoned choices, and to
> communicate with
> the Human Beings - so far only by an already
> sophisticated
> sign-language.
>
> But who knows when an Ape's last grunt will turn
> into his first
> word? Or, indeed, when Man's last word will turn
> into his first
> grunt?
>
> Paul Dehn (1973)
>
>
> Neil
>
>

Yeah, I thought that was wierd.....surely they could
have found SOME pics from the actual movie...I'll try
and scan some of these "misprints" today Neil

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/1/06 9:51:04 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> nfoster@... writes:
>
>
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> > > Didn't notice it's April 1st. Doesn't mean a
> thing to me. Dead
> > serious.
> > > Cover artwork is real.... AND I DON'T LIKE IT!
> >
> > -- So have they tried to sneak this sort of crap
> into any of the other
> > discs' artwork?
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
> No. The only other EGREGIOUS thing -- other than
> getting photos from the
> different movies mixed up, which is a long tradition
> at Fox -- they have a photo
> of what looks like some real astronauts in space
> suits on the cover for
> ESCAPE!
>
> -- Rory
>

Attachments :

Here is the Battle insert with a pic from Conquest and
the Escape insert with the strange astronauts. Are
they perhaps pics of Pericles from Burton's film?
Notice how they also enclosed Zira's face in a helmet.

Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >> The Battle insert on the Legacy set uses a pic
> from
> > Conquest too....
>
> -- Any chance of seeing some scans of all these 'out
> of place' pictures?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

Attachments :

.html.html Here's the new PLANET insert artwork in the new DVD.  The usual picture of Caesar from CONQUEST used, and I don't like the red color.  I don't mind them using the Statue of Liberty image since it's still kind of a teaser.

I've just spent the afternoon redoing it to fit my tastes and an email of that will follow.

-- Rory<.html<.html

Attachments :

.html.html Here's my redo of the insert artwork for PLANET in the new DVD.  I've changed things to suit my liking (such as a more orange color) and you'll also notice I have tried to get the logo back to the original configuration.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> " ...and the negroes who equated future Ape
> Domination with Black Power."

-- What, one line that draws the same conclusion that a lot of other
people have also echoed? Bit of a strech to compare that to Greene's
ideas don't you think?

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Then Fox would have to put out a new DVD set: PLANET OF THE APES

Special Editions: where every flaw has been "digitally corrected."
No more seeing real mouths inside the ape ones, no more Roddy McDowall
bare necks, no hatch off the spaceship before it's been blown! Etc, etc.

-- I don't want to offend any of the purists on the group but I myself
would not mind at all if they did do this! As long as they didn't then
do 'a Lucas' and try and erase the originals from history!

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> Here is the Battle insert with a pic from Conquest and
> the Escape insert with the strange astronauts. Are
> they perhaps pics of Pericles from Burton's film?
> Notice how they also enclosed Zira's face in a helmet.

-- Thanks Tim. What the hell are Fox playing at? This stuff is so
shoddy. Also what is with the 'proof of purchase' voucher thing in the
bottom left hand corner?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Here's my redo of the insert artwork for PLANET in the new DVD.

I've changed things to suit my liking (such as a more orange color)
and you'll also notice I have tried to get the logo back to the
original configuration.

-- Rory, this is so much better. Fox should employ you as a special
Apes advisor!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Well I guess that means Eric MUST have a point, since Dehn wrote it?

-- But Greene and Dehn didn't come up with that comparison / idea
first did they?

Neil

Cool! Thanks Neil!

Tim

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > Neil....do you have a scan of the cover of this
> book?
> > I would like to see it...
>
> -- Tim there is a copy of the cover in the photos
> section, in the Novel
> Covers folder:
>
>

http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/view/9ef5?b=34

>
> (Uk 73 rerelease ( Dehn intro))
>
> Neil
>
>

i just think that the package designers figure "Apes
is Apes" and they can't tell the difference and don't
think anyone else would either. All DVD's have the
proof of Purchase seal and I have no idea why. Rory
probably knows...
Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > Here is the Battle insert with a pic from Conquest
> and
> > the Escape insert with the strange astronauts. Are
> > they perhaps pics of Pericles from Burton's film?
> > Notice how they also enclosed Zira's face in a
> helmet.
>
> -- Thanks Tim. What the hell are Fox playing at?
> This stuff is so
> shoddy. Also what is with the 'proof of purchase'
> voucher thing in the
> bottom left hand corner?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:14:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

original configuration.

-- Rory, this is so much better. Fox should employ you as a special
Apes advisor!

Neil

 

They should be paying all of us, to the other way around.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 4/2/06 5:05:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I don't want to offend any of the purists on the group but I myself
would not mind at all if they did do this! As long as they didn't then
do 'a Lucas' and try and erase the originals from history!

Neil

No, I wouldn't mind it either, as long as the originals were assessable, and the new CGI "retouches" were expertly done.  I'd even like to see the famous final redone.  It almost looked better in that gonzo movie than in the real thing.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 4/2/06 5:14:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Rory, this is so much better. Fox should employ you as a special
Apes advisor!

Neil

If only, if only!<.html <.html