.html.html In a message dated 4/2/06 6:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

i just think that the package designers figure "Apes
is Apes" and they can't tell the difference and don't
think anyone else would either. All DVD's have the
proof of Purchase seal and I have no idea why. Rory
probably knows...
Tim

I'm not sure.  It probably has something to do with special Fox offers that you'd need to clip those things for, but I haven't heard of any such thing.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
> Well I guess that means Eric MUST have a point, since Dehn wrote it?

-- But Greene and Dehn didn't come up with that comparison / idea
first did they?

Neil

According to Greene it was Sammy Davis Jr.!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 4/2/2006 6:59:29 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

no more Roddy McDowall bare necks,

What's wrong with the chimps having "bare necks?" I have seen plenty of nature shows with real chimpanzees that, when they move their heads, etc., have bare spots on their necks...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 4/2/2006 12:32:01 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Neil....do you have a scan of the cover of this book?
I would like to see it...

Thats the version that has a picture of Aldo on the cover isn't it...

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.html.html In a message dated 4/2/2006 3:51:09 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- What, one line that draws the same conclusion that a lot of other
people have also echoed? Bit of a strech to compare that to Greene's
ideas don't you think?

I'd agree with him though... He didn't say that the whole writing was Greene-like, but aspects of it are...

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.html.html In a message dated 4/2/2006 4:05:21 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

As long as they didn't then do 'a Lucas' and try and erase the originals from history!

Yeah well, guess what: FOX (in their infinite wisdom) DID try to erase the originals from history when they released the pota2001 movie... They acted like the originals were shit and that their new film was what they were gonna  "consider" POTA from that point on...

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.html.html In a message dated 4/2/2006 6:55:02 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

It almost looked better in that gonzo movie than in the real thing.

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.html.html In a message dated 4/2/06 10:08:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

In a message dated 4/2/2006 6:55:02 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

It almost looked better in that gonzo movie than in the real thing.

Exactly what "gonzo movie" are you talking about? What is it?


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Check it out for anyone here that's found BENEATH too light, or CONQUEST too dark.  After you've made adjustments they even run a short clip from the movie.

I just watched a little of ESCAPE and found that if I turn the center channel down a little stereo separation of the music is much better while not affecting dialogue or sound effects.

Also, the picture quality on these new transfers is so detailed you can actually see fine details on the ape appliences and where rubber ends and real skin begins.  It's hard to keep from freeze-framing every couple of minutes.

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In a message dated 4/2/2006 6:55:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

It almost looked better in that gonzo movie than in the real thing.

 

Yeah, too bad Burton's Bomb didn't do better.

They might have redone the whole series.

What am I saying!?!  If it had done up to

expectation they'd have thought it was good

and stayed on that track!  Perhaps is got

the response it deserved.  Not a Bomb

and not a Blockbuster.  Just a lukewarm

turnout for a mediocre Sci-if remake.

Seems to be an awful lot of 'em lately.

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: U L T I M A T E

In a message dated 4/1/2006 1:36:00 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

They also used a pic of Zira Milo and Cornelius on one
of the TV Discs....

I never got an answer to what I asked Veetus: Did they include the reported TV series stills galleries on these DVDs? And did you manage to find the TV series promos? (Not that I don't believe they didn't include them, but maybe he just overlooked them...?)

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 7:44:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Does is make the guy in the gorilla suit look god?  J

 

He looks so god the natives on Skull Island are worshiping him.

 

 

 

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Just wondering where the home page pic comes from ? Neil ,Michael ?
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

> Thats the version that has a picture of Aldo on the cover isn't it...

-- Yep, that's right. Black and white picture from Battle on a brown
background.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@...> wrote:

> No, the TV show DVDs in the "Ultimate" collection are the exact same

ones that were previously released. No new material. And I was wrong,
there is an "Escape" picture on one of the TV show discs. It's Milo,
Cornelius and Zira. At first I though it was Galen and his parents. - -

-- That really is bad. It is just unbelievable how shoddy Fox are
towards Apes fans. Sure they went to the bother of releasing this
stuff with all the improvements etc. but then let themselves down with
this blatant lying and lack of concern for detail. Very sad.

Neil

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 7:44:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Does is make the guy in the gorilla suit look god?  J

 

I just can't resist typo reference humor.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Also, the picture quality on these new transfers is so detailed you

can actually see fine details on the ape appliences and where rubber
ends and real skin begins.

-- Wow, that must be a little off putting.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:

> Graham, that picture is from one of the French releases of Boulle's
> novel.

-- Also if you are interested, the artwork is by a fellow by the name
of M Laverdet.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Is that Marcel Laverdet?

-- Not sure, have you heard of him then?

Neil

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Anyone here a fan of the POTA video game that came out in 2001? I've
always wanted to play it, but I don't have any of the game systems it
plays on. Is there anywhere to download it and play it on a PC? Or,
for that matter, is there a PC version?

The reason I ask is that I'm working on something POTA-related and
need a detailed breakdown of the plot and characters in the game.

Thanks!
Rich

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 5:31:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

is there a PC version?

 

Yes

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> I went to school with a Marcel Laverdet....

-- He couldn't paint could he? I just did a search on Google and there
is in fact a French artist by the name of Marcel Laverdet!

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 4/3/06 4:48:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Also, the picture quality on these new transfers is so detailed you
can actually see fine details on the ape appliences and where rubber
ends and real skin begins.

-- Wow, that must be a little off putting.

Neil

Funny you should write that.  I just got through freeze-framing through the Aldo sequence in BATTLE where he's shouting the "We need guns!" stuff into the camera.  The close-up of that makeup on Claude Akins, and his expressions during it.... It's just bizarre.

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That's what the printers/distributors told us.  It was ready for last week, but we always get shuffled around.

Ty

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> A while ago we were talking about our favourite DVD covers and I

was

> just wondering what the favourite book covers would be?
>
> A vast number of them can be seen in the Group's photos section in

the

> Novel Covers Folder:
> http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/browse/9ef5
>
> One of my favourites has always been the Escape novelisation

because it

> actually used the image from the movie poster but as for original

art

> for some reason one I have always liked is the UK 1985 re-release

even

> though the ape looks nothing like a POTA ape!
> (http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/view/9ef5?

b=7)

>
>
> Neil
>

Thanks for the info Neil, Escape was always my favourite novel
cover. Bought from a book sale on a wet holiday in Southport.
Best Graham.

I thought the PC game was a blast to play.  Not much of a challenge but all the levels are great and nicely detailed.  Pick it up.

Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

Anyone here a fan of the POTA video game that came out in 2001?  I've
always wanted to play it, but I don't have any of the game systems it
plays on.  Is there anywhere to download it and play it on a PC?  Or,
for that matter, is there a PC version?

The reason I ask is that I'm working on something POTA-related and
need a detailed breakdown of the plot and characters in the game.

Thanks!
Rich

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/30/06 5:27:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> > In a message dated 3/30/2006 4:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > darios@... writes:
> >
> > >> it's 'charms' began to grow on me.
> >
> >
> As cheap as it is sometimes, I still enjoyed seeing post-

apocalyptic NY. But those cheap ape masks make me cringe, worse than
the Escape apes!

> >
>
> I think for nearly everyone, except POTA fanatics like Patrick,

it's pretty obvious that BENEATH cheapened and coarsened the concept.
It was a sequel made by committee that was further undercut by a
budget-slashing studio that seemed to sour on the entire thing. It's
a mess.

>
> It was really the first disaster movie of the seventies, and it's

just amazing that there's a few redeeming things about it, but for
the most part it's Sci-fi hokum -- a depressing, old-fashioned
melodramic Saturday matinee serial-level exploitation flick -- hardly
more sophisticated than an episode of the 30's FLASH GORDON. Fine if
you like that sort of thing, but I love the original so much that
BENEATH remains an insulting slap in the face for me. Fans of the
original deserved a better sequel than they got with BENEATH. I
didn't like it when I first saw it, and thirty-six years later I'm
still not that crazy about it.

>
> Now tell me I'm wrong, Patrick.
>
> -- Rory

*** Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, Rory. Your opinion is
that BENEATH sucks. That it's "Sci-fi hokum -- a depressing, old-
fashioned melodramic Saturday matinee serial-level exploitation
flick -- hardly more sophisticated than an episode of the 30's FLASH
GORDON". I couldn't disagree with you more. The 'action' in the movie
(i.e. the 'action scenes) are no more gratuitous than the same sorts
of things in PLANET, and they all served the plot.

What was the point of BENEATH -- other than more financial success
for a DR. DOOLITTLE-addled Fox? The ultimate point of BENEATH was to
address the madness of nuclear war. Nobody watching PLANET knew that
it was an anti-nuke picture until the very endshot, when Chuck
yells, "You BLEW IT UP!" Until then, nobody even knew that he was on
Earth the whole time. OUR world, blown up in OUR era.

ANY sequel to PLANET would've had to delve further into that theme.
The final image of PLANET was what everything in that 1st film was
leading up to. The nuked remains of America (and, by extension, of
all human civilization).

Taylor bellows out his curse, calling upon God Himself to damn those
who caused that ancient nuclear war to Hell. It behooved those
responsible for the sequel to address the implied question: HOW DID
THAT NUCLEAR WAR HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE?

How does ANY war happen? What are the excuses given by those in power
when they urge the citizens of their country to back a
military 'solution' to some perceived problem?

Two words: NATIONAL SECURITY. We're currently embroiled in Iraq due
to the Bush regime's claim that Saddam Hussein's regime had WMDs in
their possession and that they intended to supply groups like Al
Qaeda with them, to use against us. That was the excuse for THIS war,
a war built upon the presumption of the moral basis for "pre-emptive"
military measures of "self-defense". Bush could instigate an
offensive attack and claim that it was defensive in nature.

The war that is promulgated, fought, and 'won' in BENEATH -- I think -
- was meant to be seen as analogous to the nuclear war that created
the world of Apes dominating Man in the first place. The film begins,
tellingly, with the quotation from the SACRED SCROLLS read by
Cornelius: "Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn; alone
among God's primates he kills for sport, or lust, or greed; yea, he
will murder his brother to possess his brother's land; let him not
breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and
yours. Shun him! Drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the
harbinger of death!"

HE WILL MURDER HIS BROTHER TO POSSESS HIS BROTHER'S LAND.

The Lawgiver was referencing not only a TENDENCY of Man, in his
former days as the 'civilized' ruler of the Earth, but also the root
causes of the Nuclear War, in my opinion. Man used nukes in yet
another war that was intended to be a land-grab. Insanely, however,
irradiating a neighboring land makes it uninhabitable. Yet Man is not
portrayed as 'sane' in POTA, by any means.

The word "brother" (as used in that quote) implies that the Apes and
the Mutants should see themselves as "brother" and not as "other".
After all, it is the territory inhabited by those Unknown "mutants"
that Ursus' army invades -- to possess his "brother's" land.

BENEATH is about War (specifically, the conflicts which escalate into
Nuclear War, which kills everybody and leaves no winners). The
ancient nuke war that led to the Fall of Man (allowing the Apes to
take their place on the surface) and to the Rise/Descent of a remnant
of Man who had made a 'god' out of their own technological terrors.
The two nuke wars in question -- first the one that caused the ruins
of our world and the one that brings the entire planet to an end --
were 'on the horizon' back in 1969, when BENEATH went into
production. Most of the people living back then believed that Nuclear
War of some sort was going to happen. That it was virtually
inevitable.

Dehn and Abrahams came up with a story that attempted to show -- in
an exaggerated, satirical way -- the forces that cause wars to happen
in the first place. To open people's eyes to those instigators of
self-destruction. To expose the bullshit of those war-mongering
leaders who try to seduce the masses into accepting War as the
solution.

I've gone on & on in previous posts showing how BENEATH goes out of
its way to implicate Organized Religion as the foremost guilty party
when it comes to championing a war-mongering "leader" in his bid for
military glory. In BENEATH, Ursus gets the go-ahead from the
Minister. Mendez -- himself a 'pope' of some sort, addressed as "Your
Holiness" by Caspay -- has his Doomsday Bomb to resort to. The
current Iraq War had its cheerleaders in the Evangelical community;
anybody else remember that bitch Ann Coulter suggesting that, after
9/11, we should invade the Middle East, kill all their leaders, and
CONVERT THEM ALL TO CHRISTIANITY...? Remember when Falwell blamed
9/11 NOT on the Islamic terrorists but on the Homosexuals, the
Abortionists, the Feminists, etc etc etc?

The insane worldview of the Evangelical community predominates in the
Bush regime, and most Americans were slow to criticize it. It's only
as the war drags on and on, as the body-count goes higher and higher
and the lies and manipulative propaganda & pseudo-"intelligence"
about WMDs becomes more known, that the Public Opinion has turned
against it. A few years too late, though. A war that will never end
can never be 'won'. And this current war is claimed to be "part" of
the War on Terror. A war that will never end, because the world will
never run out of insane religious fanatics who see violence as the
solution.

That's what BENEATH is about. To say that it was "hardly more
sophisticated than an episode of the 30's FLASH GORDON" is just sheer
nonsense. I can see why those who compare it to PLANET can't help but
think it is less good, but to suggest that it is no more than a silly
pulp-style adventure is just bullshit. You're entitled to your
opinion, Rory, but as far as I'm concerned your inability to see the
virtues BENEATH has -- despite its deficiencies -- makes your opinion
(about BENEATH) worthless. None of the POTA movies -- PLANET
included -- is perfect. All have their strong points and weak points.
PLANET, granted, is the best of them -- mostly because it is the
original from which all others can't help but be 'derivative'. But,
geez Louise, give me the POTA sequels (budget-slashed and cranked out
quickly) over the top-dollar mediocrities that are the STAR WARS
prequels ANY day!

Patrick

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> I don't know how many of you are aware of, or have seen this. In

1973, in England, Tom Stacey Reprints Ltd. released a new hardback
version of Boulle's Planet of the Apes (in fact this was the first
time the book was released in the UK with this title instead of
Monkey Planet)

>
> Now what is interesting about this version is that it had an

introduction by a certain Paul Dehn. I have included it with this
post as I think it makes interesting reading:

*** This is quite interesting and, it seems to me, this rather reads
almost as Paul Dehn's "final word" on his involvement in the POTA
saga (the book's cover being a pic from BATTLE).

It is strange that he refers to "two space-voyagers" in Boulle's
original novel, when in fact there were three: Antelle, Levain, and
Ulysse Merou. Ah, well... Dehn was prone to flubs!

Dehn also gives the impression that he believes Taylor
UNINTENTIONALLY traveled forward through Time: "only to discover that
his spaceship has passed through a forward warp in Time". He seems to
have forgotten the opening scene of the 1st film, in which Taylor
nonchalantly gives the audience his "final report" describing the
faster flow of Earth-Time at nearly the speed of light according to
Dr. Hasslein's theory, etc. It was this misunderstanding of the
original film's set-up that resulted in his invention of a so-
called "Hasslein Curve" into which a couple spaceships accidentally
and unintentionally found themselves, flinging them forward some
2,000 years into the future. I wonder if Dehn ever in his life
understood the "Twin Paradox" implications of Einstein's theory of
Relativity; in BATTLE, he (or is it the Corringtons?) has Virgil
explain HIS theory of Time Relativity, concerning the hypothetical
orchestra conductor who flies both into the Future and back to the
Past in order to first HEAR a concert performance broadcast and then
to PREVENT that broadcast from taking place, based on his dislike of
its quality. Even this late-in-the-game, Dehn doesn't seem to realize
that Taylor's mission purposely involved traveling near lightspeed at
Time Dilation velocities, intentionally aging the astronauts only 18
months over the course of 20 centuries.

He also, for some reason, says below that the Statue of Liberty is
buried "neck-deep" -- when everybody who saw the film could see that
it was "waist-deep". Hmmm... did he happen to see George Tuska's
artwork depicting that end-scene, and mistakenly think it was an
accurate depiction of the final image from PLANET...?

Patrick

I always liked the Escape portrait cove best
too....altho the European ones are more artistic and
trippy!

Tim

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> A while ago we were talking about our favourite DVD
> covers and I was
> just wondering what the favourite book covers would
> be?
>
> A vast number of them can be seen in the Group's
> photos section in the
> Novel Covers Folder:
>

http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/browse/9ef5

>
> One of my favourites has always been the Escape
> novelisation because it
> actually used the image from the movie poster but as
> for original art
> for some reason one I have always liked is the UK
> 1985 re-release even
> though the ape looks nothing like a POTA ape!
>

(http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/photos/view/9ef5?b=7)

>
>
> Neil
>
>

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--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> The other week I posted an old pulp magazine cover
> illustration of a
> future Statue of Liberty. I have since found a
> couple more SF magazine
> covers and thought I would post them as they are
> interesting as they are
> even closer to the POTA version (without the flying
> saucers of course!)
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

My local shop has it listed as coming out tomorrow as
well!
Look forward to it!!

Tim

--- Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:

> That's what the printers/distributors told us. It
> was ready for last week,
> but we always get shuffled around.
>
> Ty
>
> On 4/3/06, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Diamond Comics' shipping list for this week has
> issue 3 of Revolution on
> > it. I'll be checking my local shop this week to
> see if they get it (and to
> > see if they finally got copies of issue 2).
> >
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> >
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.html.html In a message dated 4/4/2006 9:19:19 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

It is strange that he refers to "two space-voyagers" in Boulle's
original novel, when in fact there were three: Antelle, Levain, and
Ulysse Merou. Ah, well... Dehn was prone to flubs!

Yeah, but I think he had been thinking of Phyllis and Jinn, after all he says:

*** In the book two space-voyagers (far be it from me to reveal their identity!)***

If he wasn't trying to help keep the "secret" of their being chimps, then I don't thinkl he would have said "far be it from me to reveal their identity"... But regardless, it is just another one of his screw-ups regarding APES... He probably had the novel right there  in front of him at the time and didn't even bother to double check himself...

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I always liked the Escape portrait cover best too....although the European ones are more artistic and trippy!

I never liked the ESCAPE cover, because I never liked the ESCAPE poster that much either... That "family photo" was never a good one in my opinion... I'd have to look at them better again to say which is my favorite cover, but it's probably gonna be one of the PLANET/Monkey Planet covers, because most of them show drawings or photos of characters from the original film...

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There's hamburgers and there's steak.

Beneath is a wonderful guilty pleasure. My childhood includes the mutant enforced fight scene between Brent and Taylor inside that spike filled cell as the first time I was ever legitimately SCARED by something I saw in a film.  My childhood includes Nova in a loincloth and Heston destroying the world with a man made weapon (take THAT NRA!).  You'll never take away the joy and nostalgia and pleasure I get from re-watching the first cinematic experience of my life.  Perhaps more than any other film, that particular movie, Beneath, is my Rosetta Stone of pop culture.....  I didn't see the original Apes for another year or two after that.  (I also saw Help before I saw Hard Day's Night, that's what I get for growing up in the Sixties.)

HOWEVER.

None of that joy, and pleasure, and nostalgia-goodness of my personal interaction with that movie, alters the fact that the script for Beneath is weak compared to Conquest (one of the best film sequels ever made) and Planet (arguably one of the ten best films of all time.)

I probably watch Beneath about as often as I watch Planet, (since nowadays, I tend to run through all six in a row when I get into an Apes mood), and I agree that it has a special place in my heart as the only sequel to include Zaius and Taylor and Ape City and Nova. 

But truth is as important as loyalty.  And truth compells me to Beneath Bash every now and then. 

Ty the Guy, stepping back and waiting for the hurled bricks. 

PS:  Revolution is out in stores this week, and you're going to LIKE this one, I promise!  Tom Fowler art!  Salgood Sam as well!  Armando and Li'l Caesar in the circus!  Kolp and the boys in an armed rescue of Governor Breck!  Caesar's Journal!  Hasslein's secret notes revealed!  Exploding aircraft!  The Mystery of Churchdoor talked about an awful lot while still not specifically saying what it is, but let's be honest we all know...

We tried to jam this one to the brim!!

Ty the Guy again.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> It is strange that he refers to "two space-voyagers" in Boulle's
> original novel, when in fact there were three

-- Yeah, I think he got confused with the 2 ape-onauts.

> Dehn also gives the impression that he believes Taylor
> UNINTENTIONALLY traveled forward through Time
> He also, for some reason, says below that the Statue of Liberty is
> buried "neck-deep"

-- It does sort of give you the impression that he hadn't even seen
Planet or if he had he didn't watch it very closely! No wonder he
seems to have cocked up so many things.

Neil

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Here's a thought...

There was little justification for a POTA remake.

That alone was probably the justification for the

re-imagining.  You don't remake a Classic.  There's

no need for a new Citizen Kane.  The only reason

to remake a movie is because you can make it better.

Beneath is a movie that cries out for that.  Let's face

it.  From the Halloween masks to the hollow movie-

of-the-week acting from Franciscus and Buono, to

the low budget FX.  Battle is so bad a remake wouldn't

help much, but there's hope for Beneath.  It's do-able.

If I was in charge of Fox, I would remake the sequels

starting with Beneath and work my way up to Planet.

 

 

In a message dated 4/4/2006 11:54:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

The ultimate point of BENEATH was to
address the madness of nuclear war. Nobody watching PLANET knew that
it was an anti-nuke picture until the very endshot, when Chuck
yells, "You BLEW IT UP!" Until then, nobody even knew that he was on
Earth the whole time. OUR world, blown up in OUR era.

 

 Patrick, you don't get the point.  It's not what BENEATH is about that makes it a mediocre movie, it's how it's presented.  It's just not the best script or direction.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Profile looks a little too baboonish there, Neil.

-- Well there was that affair that Zira's mum had that time... ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> It's not what BENEATH is about that makes it a mediocre movie, it's

how it's presented. It's just not the best script or direction.

-- And wasn't a lot of that the fault of Mort Abrahams who wanted to
make it HIS film and changed and added stuff?

Neil

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In a message dated 4/4/2006 3:23:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tybunny@... writes:

I also saw Help before I saw Hard Day's Night,

Me too.  For me it is The quintessential Beatles movie.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@... wrote:

> The only reason to remake a movie is because you can make it better.

-- Well maybe you had better let a few people in Hollywood know that
then T because everytime I look up there seems to be ANOTHER movie
being remade to add to the plethora of recent (usually much worse than
the originals) remakes.

Neil

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In a message dated 4/4/2006 3:54:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

everytime I look up there seems to be ANOTHER movie
being remade to add to the plethora of recent (usually much worse than
the originals) remakes.

 

Yeah, for them better FX equals a better movie.

 

Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg, now that spells magic for me . . . NOT!

 

 

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Continues: Wonder stories
Absorbed by: Startling stories spring 1955

Thrilling wonder stories was a continuation of Wonder Stories. It began in 1936 and ran until 1955 when it was absorbed in Startling stories. There was a conscious attempt to appeal to the younger audience. A comic strip, "Zarnak" appeared in the earlier issues.

The covers treat us to a spectacular cross-section of science fiction themes. Earl Bergey’s cover-illustration for the Summer 1946 issue looks forward to "Planet of the Apes". It relates to a story, "Titan of the Jungle" by Stanton A. Coblentz, in which the apes and chimpanzees, through ingesting a "mysterious fluid of enlightenment" have become the masters, while men are their slaves.

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It looks like the artist used the publicity shot of
the original King Kong (fighting the Pterodactyl for
his resource for the gorilla...

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> Thrilling wonder stories.
>

<http://www.lib.monash.edu.au/exhibitions/scifi/xscifi.html18>

>
> (New York, N.Y. : Beacon Magazines 1936; Better
> Publications, Aug.
> 1937-1943; Standard Magazines, fall 1943-1955)
>
> Continues: Wonder stories
> Absorbed by: Startling stories spring 1955
>
> Thrilling wonder stories was a continuation of
> Wonder Stories. It began
> in 1936 and ran until 1955 when it was absorbed in
> Startling stories.
> There was a conscious attempt to appeal to the
> younger audience. A comic
> strip, "Zarnak" appeared in the earlier issues.
>
> The covers treat us to a spectacular cross-section
> of science fiction
> themes. Earl Bergey's cover-illustration for the
> Summer 1946 issue looks
> forward to "Planet of the Apes". It relates to a
> story, "Titan of the
> Jungle" by Stanton A. Coblentz, in which the apes
> and chimpanzees,
> through ingesting a "mysterious fluid of
> enlightenment" have become the
> masters, while men are their slaves.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 4/3/06 9:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

The other week I posted an old pulp magazine cover illustration of a future Statue of Liberty. I have since found a couple more SF magazine covers and thought I would post them as they are interesting as they are even closer to the POTA version (without the flying saucers of course!)

Ever since I found out about these covers, some fifteen years ago, it's been my belief that Rod Serling, while looking for stories to adapt for his TV series "The Twilight Zone," might have come across these images and they stuck in his mind.  When it came time to do his script for POTA, he "adopted" it.

Of course, there's then the problem of what the illustrator that Jocobs hired says.... but that's for another email.

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.html.html In a message dated 4/4/06 6:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

The covers treat us to a spectacular cross-section of science fiction themes. Earl Bergey's cover-illustration for the Summer 1946 issue looks forward to "Planet of the Apes". It relates to a story, "Titan of the Jungle" by Stanton A. Coblentz, in which the apes and chimpanzees, through ingesting a "mysterious fluid of enlightenment" have become the masters, while men are their slaves.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> It looks like the artist used the publicity shot of
> the original King Kong (fighting the Pterodactyl for
> his resource for the gorilla...

-- Yeah that is totally correct. I knew I had seen that before, thanks
for reminding me where!

Neil

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In a message dated 4/4/2006 5:30:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

A comic strip, "Zarnak" appeared in the earlier issues.

 

Richard Zarnak?

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

...give me the POTA sequels (budget-slashed and cranked out
quickly) over the top-dollar mediocrities that are the STAR WARS
prequels ANY day!

+++ The man speaks the truth.

Mark T-B

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> Issue 77 is now available for download from Hunter's site. The

brains in jars have made their way from the interior to the cover!
Soon they'll leap off the cover and enslave us all!

-- Thanks Greg. Keep those good ol' brains coming!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> Me too.

-- Me 3!

Neil

I dont have that pic for comparison tho.....do you?

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > It looks like the artist used the publicity shot
> of
> > the original King Kong (fighting the Pterodactyl
> for
> > his resource for the gorilla...
>
> -- Yeah that is totally correct. I knew I had seen
> that before, thanks
> for reminding me where!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>

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It ain't out yet.

-- Rory







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Wow.....the artist could have changed it a little bit
at least!

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > I don't have that pic for comparison tho.....do
> you?
>
> -- Here it is, clearly its the picture used for
> reference:
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>

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In a message dated 4/6/2006 8:34:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

may we please see the below in tight pencils, portraying how a young Zira might look?

Michael

 

Yeah, what he said. 

 

Pleeeeeease....

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/6/2006 11:46:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, urko3085@... writes:

Very nice. I was enjoying the storyboard format, but this works well, too.

 

Just wait 'til you see them fleshed out.

They'll blow you away!

 

 

 

 

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I just read #3 as well and enjoyed it thouroughly!
THANKS TY!!! another great job! I won't give away
anything.....I do like these back storys jumping
around in different times of POTA as you refer to in
the letters page........Also I could hear Ricardo
Montalban's voice as Armando...very well
written!......

Ty........one thing tho....I went to two different
stores and they both had copies....one had saved one
for me and it was in perfect shape but every other
issue had some white-ish spots on the covers.....the
guy in the store said it must have happened in
printing....they were all different...but I did get a
clean copy! Just thought you should know that....

Tim

--- Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> Picked up a copy of Revolution #3 at a shop near my
> office on the way home last night. Another excellent
> issue. The art is even better than the previous
> issues. As much as I enjoyed the main story, I
> really liked the 'Young Caesar' back-up and I
> particularly liked the Hasslein letter. It gives an
> interesting added twist to his character from
> Escape.
>
> Greg
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kavita Smith [Kavita.Smith@...]
Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 4:52 AM
To: nfoster@...
Subject: FW: Planet of the Apes DVD releases

Hello Neil,

 

Attached please find the press release of the titles we released on March 28.  As for the POTA TV animated series, we are planning on release the singles but the street date is still TBD.

 

With kind regards

Kavita

 

Kavita Smith

Director, Publicity

Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment

2121 Avenue of the Stars, Suite 3052

Century City, CA   90067

310-369-8435 office

310-369-5262 fax

Kavita.Smith@...

 

 

 

---

From: Chris Argyropoulos
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:32 PM
To: Kavita Smith
Subject: FW: Planet of the Apes DVD releases

 

?

 

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From: Neil T Foster [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:00 PM
To: Chris Argyropoulos
Subject: Planet of the Apes DVD releases

 

Hi Chris,

 

I was trying to get some information regarding the new Planet of the Apes DVD releases from Steve Feldstein and have just received an email letting me know that he is out of the office until the 10th of April and suggesting that I contact you regarding this matter.

 

I am the co-owner of the most active POTA Discussion Group on Yahoo and many of our members are very interested to find out about the following:

 

It seems as though the promised commercials for the TV series have not been included in the new releases of the POTA DVDs. Would there be a reason for this?

 

Also is it possible to get confirmation of the release date of the Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon series (it was advertised that it would be released separately at a later date)?

 

Thanks very much for your time and help. I and the members of our 'Apes' discussion group look forward to hearing your answers,

 

Neil T. Foster

Co-owner Planet of the Apes Discussion Group

( http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/ )

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> I realise you are dedicating most of your time to the new project
> (nutting out vehicles and costumes and the new look for the "lesser"
> apes), but may we please see the below in tight pencils, portraying
> how a young Zira might look?

-- Well I don't know is the best answer I can give at the moment.
It really does depend on if it is worth while doing it. I have to
balance whether it is a good use of my time just to make 2 or 3 of you
happy or if I could be spending that time working on that other
project that you mentioned.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> I just read #3 as well and enjoyed it thouroughly!
> THANKS TY!!! another great job!

-- Can't wait to see it, this is the issue with the Tom Fowler art
isn't it?

Neil

Well, I have been viewing all the storyboards and enjoying them but
as for the not commenting part, that's kind of difficult. Most of us
don't KNOW what the story is and I understand not wanting to ruin any
surprises but you can't be upset if we don't chime in on every panel.
They always look great and when questions arise (the sidesaddle
issue) their does seem to be a few who take the time to comment but
we can't have opinion's on a story we don't fully know yet. I just
wanted you to know that some of us are paying attention and are
excited by the new stories, even if you don't hear it from us every
time a new panel is posted. I'm sure their are a few others out there
who also feel this way.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well that makes sense - it is supposed to be a group project to
> stimulate discussion and there has been essentially one uninvolved
> person, Greg, who has commented.
>
> I agree with Greg that the storyboards are excellent and would
translate
> well to a children's story-book, but when you put them in strip
format
> like that I just HAVE to see them the way the lord (pun intended)
> intended (repetitive use of words intended).
>
> Intended.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Neil
> Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 7:20 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: YDZWF
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@> wrote:
> > I realise you are dedicating most of your time to the new project
> > (nutting out vehicles and costumes and the new look for
the "lesser"
> > apes), but may we please see the below in tight pencils,
portraying
> > how a young Zira might look?
>
> -- Well I don't know is the best answer I can give at the moment.
> It really does depend on if it is worth while doing it. I have to
> balance whether it is a good use of my time just to make 2 or 3 of
you
> happy or if I could be spending that time working on that other
> project that you mentioned.
>
> Neil
>
> --
>

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In a message dated 4/6/2006 4:29:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

but when you put them in strip format like that I just HAVE to see them the way the lord (pun intended) intended (repetitive use of words intended).

 

I was thinking if Neil doesn't have time, he could just detail the close-ups.

Or if that is too time consuming, he could just detail the first strip.

Then we can imagine what it might have looked like finished.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> Well, I have been viewing all the storyboards and enjoying them but
> as for the not commenting part, that's kind of difficult. Most of us
> don't KNOW what the story is and I understand not wanting to ruin any
> surprises but you can't be upset if we don't chime in on every panel.

-- Why oh why does it always come back to this? No one has EVER asked
for comments on EVERY panel or whatever.
All we asked for this time was group involvement in the story and we
didn't get it, not that we should have been suprised by that.

Neil

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In a message dated 4/6/2006 4:52:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Most of us don't KNOW what the story is and I understand not wanting to ruin any
surprises but you can't be upset if we don't chime in on every panel.

 

I'd like to see a (show of hands) so to speak,

of those interested in the comic.  I wouldn't

expect Neil to spend a lot of time doing a

bunch of detailed panels on a strip with

limited interest.  I understand that you

can't comment on a story you haven't

seen much of.  But even though the

working title is called, Young Doctor

Zira, all the Pre-Taylor characters

are included in the storyline, with

what was going on with Cornelius,

Milo, Zaius, and the rest, in it. But

if the interest isn't there he might

as well release it, more or less,

as is. And then I won't have to

bother with writing a Part 2.

 

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In a message dated 4/6/2006 5:04:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

All we asked for this time was group involvement in the story and we
didn't get it, not that we should have been suprised by that.

 

I have no idea . . .

I thought there was more interest than this. 

But if we don't hear something soon I say

throw some shading in here and there and

release it.  No point in busting a gut over a

story no one cares about.  Why bother.

 

 

 

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Wow...where is this hostility coming from?? Why jump
to that tone Michael?

...I think the Zira story is great and fine .....I'm
not sure I have any story ideas yet and plus I think
that too many ideas would just muddy things up then
poor Neil would get frustrated ......I don't believe I
ever said I was going to get involved in the group
strip so I didn't/don't feel the need to contribute as
I am so busy....You guys go with it! I'm sure it will
be incredible like all the other stuff you guys have
been churning out. There seemed to be PLENTY of
conversation on wether she should ride side saddle or
not and that was just the first few frames.......

If you happened to be joking around then I apologize
for MY flying off the handle......

I just don't understand the recurring threats to shut
every thing down...
I mean this with the most respect...i LOVE this group
and would never want to see it disappear......I truly
appreciate ALL that you and Neal do for it.......

Sincerely
Tim

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Or discuss the way Neil is drawing them.
>
> Or would we get more mileage if we invent insane
> members who claim to
> have seen the full version of Escape when we all
> know that opening
> footage never even had the special effects added?
>
> You guys are really going to miss us when we are
> gone.
>
> You will abso-fucking-lutely KICK yourselves.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil
> Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 8:04 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: YDZWF
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John"
> <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
> > Well, I have been viewing all the storyboards and
> enjoying them but
> > as for the not commenting part, that's kind of
> difficult. Most of us
> > don't KNOW what the story is and I understand not
> wanting to ruin any
> > surprises but you can't be upset if we don't chime
> in on every panel.
>
> -- Why oh why does it always come back to this? No
> one has EVER asked
> for comments on EVERY panel or whatever.
> All we asked for this time was group involvement in
> the story and we
> didn't get it, not that we should have been suprised
> by that.
>
> Neil
>
> --
>

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Well thanks people at Fox, that answers... Nothing!

Neil


A long time ago I actually got a couple letters from Fox.  I may even still have them, and if I can find them I'll scan them, but they told me nothing about what Fox was actually planning.  They never tell you anything until it's definite and set in stone!

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.html.html In a message dated 4/6/06 5:32:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey Neil,

FOX CLASSIC just showed a POTA marathon in Brasil.



Apparently ALL movies had deleted scenes placed!

WHAT THE?!?!

Michael



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Wow...where is this hostility coming from?? Why jump
to that tone Michael?

YEAH!  What's with the attitude from you two Aussie guys?

Isn't it about time you change the name of this group to the POTA "Comics" Discussion Group?  Because that's pretty much what it's "mutated" into.

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Neil, my point is MOST OF US DON'T KNOW THE STORY!!!!! We only see the
panels that you post which all look great but how are we to be
involved with a story that only you, LordT and Michael know. I wasn't
complaining. I just wanted you to understand why the interaction may
have been disappointing. If the story was reaveled and I missed it, I'm
sorry but I beleive you three are the only ones who know what the Hell
is truly going on.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> > Well, I have been viewing all the storyboards and enjoying them but
> > as for the not commenting part, that's kind of difficult. Most of
us
> > don't KNOW what the story is and I understand not wanting to ruin
any
> > surprises but you can't be upset if we don't chime in on every
panel.
>
> -- Why oh why does it always come back to this? No one has EVER asked
> for comments on EVERY panel or whatever.
> All we asked for this time was group involvement in the story and we
> didn't get it, not that we should have been suprised by that.
>
> Neil
>