> > Here is a scan of the 2nd issue (this is a Roddy
> > tribute site):
> > http://xmoppet.org/scans/apesfan.html"
> >
> > Dario

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Great as usual.
>
> I would use the colour version of the 4 pages at top of back cover
and a
> colourised version of the gorillas gagging Taylor.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Haristas@...
> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 10:37 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Yet another PLANET DVD cover
>
> Here's another PLANET DVD cover I've just made. I've posted the
front
> cover before, but now I've made it part of an entire DVD cover. The
> whole thing is based on the 1968 Project 3 LP cover, so it's a
mixture
> of 1968 and 2006.
>
> Let me hear your criticisms.
>
> -- Rory
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:54 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Alas, there were only 2 issues of Apesfan, but both were very good.
> > The second one was a "Roddy" tribute as he had just passed away.
> > I was lucky enough to have tracked down one of the original
> writers, George Reis through an old obscure link that one of his
> friends had on a site. By chance, George also had a few copies left
> and sold me copies of both.
> >
> > Dario
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> *** I had the privilege of having a 4-page article of mine used by
> Misters Reis and Lozowsky, in the 2nd (and final) issue of APESFAN,
> on pages 52 through 55, entitled "A CHRONOLOGY OF THE PLANET OF THE
> APES".
>
> Why didn't APESFAN continue? In one word: the INTERNET. Fanzines are
> basically passe now, since the internet has resources no
> printed 'zine can possibly match. Mpegs, jpegs, pdfs, you name it.
>
> Still, it was a great pleasure to have in my hands a full POTA
> magazine again, with no advertisements cluttering it up (remember
> those LA SALLE EXTENSION UNIVERSITY full page ads on the back covers
> of the MARVEL POTA mags, anybody? did anybody here ever take their
> correspondence courses? I didn't THINK so...!). Every page (and there
> were 60 of 'em in the 2nd issue) was pure POTA. Done BY the fans FOR
> the fans. I'm proud to have been a small part of that. I'm sure Jeff
> feels the same way I do (his contributions are on pages 8 and 9 of
> that same 2nd issue).
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: RotPotA #3

Of course we're aware of all the stuff you pointed out.  We're playing with the concept of fatalism and timelines in our story, and may not end in the "circular" timeline you're expecting. 

The Caesar's Journal in #4 (due out in a couple of weeks) includes mentions that he's dreams are stopping, and that he's not even remembering them any more.  The entire circular timeline suggests that Cornelius and Zira would eventually show up, many generations after their own progeny, and so would the bomb that ends the world....

But what if THIS Caesar thinks of a way to STOP the future from coming true... What if this is a version of Planet of the Apes where the timeline ISN'T a circle?

We're playing in that sandbox, and it has a really fun ending.  But I don't want to give away anything else.

Ty the Guy.

On 4/20/06, patrickmichaeltilton < patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>

> ABSOLUTELY we are aware of Project 13.
>
> I have a copy of the film...more or less based on a true story, by
the way.
>
> Ty

*** Really? "PROJECT 13" was based on a true story? It wouldn't
surprise me if primates HAD been used in military testing and all
that, but I didn't know that this particular movie was "based on a
true story". Do you have any other background on this?

By the way, if whoever has the copyright to that movie does notice
your REVOLUTION/POTA comic, I hope they don't get uppity and threaten
any lawsuits over the similarities. I hope they look on it as an
homage, a tip-of-the-hat to another movie about the inhuman treatment
of primates by other primates. I'm sure they were more-than-aware of
PLANET OF THE APES when they made their movie (especially CONQUEST,
to which it bears more than a minimal resemblance).

I should go out and buy a copy of that movie on DVD and watch it
again. I saw it when it first was in theaters and liked it a whole
hell of a lot.

On another note, let me say something about your comic book, which I
am enjoying (btw).

I'm a bit concerned with this notion you've put forward that Caesar
had grown up having "post-cognitive" visions of the End of the World,
due to having been in Zira's womb during the events of PLANET and
BENEATH. If I may quote from your "CAESAR'S JOURNAL" in issue #3,
page 1:

"I remember my parents. Talking apes from the future, executed by the
U.S. Government two days after I was born -- to keep the future from
happening.

THIS future.

Armando told me. But I already knew. I remember them. I remember my
mother. I remember the day I was born. But I remember the day before
as well. Just as clearly as I remember the day after tomorrow.

HOW?

I dream of my parents escaping a bloody war in the future.-- coming
back in time. I dream the war with the gorillas and the terrible
scarred descendants of man -- I remember the evil controlling orang-
utans of my parent's far distant world. I remember the Earth burning
and every living soul on its surface crumbling into hot ash."

Later, on page 29, you guys have Caesar telling Armando: "But
sometimes I dream awful things. Explosions. Bombs. Wars. Men with
scars who wear masks. Gorillas on horses hunting people..."

Now, Ty, I'm not telling you guys to stop making this comic book, or
that I'll stop buying it just because I can never consider it as part
of the POTA "canon", but I do have a problem with this whole approach
to Caesar. This notion that he has somehow had dreams all through his
formative years that (obviously) are not "mere dreams" at all, but
awarenesses of the actual situation on Earth when his parents were
living in the future.

In CONQUEST, it is made fairly plain that Caesar had no idea
whatsoever that the apes in the cities (in 1991) had been enslaved.
The character arc he undergoes in that film alone involves an initial
complete ignorance of the sorry condition of his "fellow apes"
(his "own kind"), followed by the shock-to-the-system that transpires
once he sees with his own eyes the brutality inflicted on the apes.

In BATTLE, Caesar goes out of his way to tell MacDonald that with
Apes at the helm, the Earth will sail through the Universe until the
end of Time, and Virgil says that Time HAS NO END, so he (Caesar)
can't believe MacDonald's "pessimism" about the End of the World.
Indeed, it is only because of MacDonald telling him about the
existence of the sealed tapes from the 1973 Presidential Commission
(and their subsequent journey to the Forbidden City to see and hear
the images and voices of his deceased parents) that Caesar FIRST
becomes aware of the fact that the Earth will be destroyed. After
hearing Hasslein's voice mention "The Date-Meter on the spaceship:
what did it read after Earth's destruction?" and Zira's voice mention
the date "Thirty-Nine Fifty--" Caesar reproaches Virgil, saying, "And
YOU talk to your pupils about Eternity!"

After hearing his father's voice talk about the ape who said 'No' to
a human, Caesar declares: "No WONDER all mankind thirsted for my
blood and wanted my birth aborted! In the year Thirty-Nine Fifty,
apes will destroy the Earth!"

I just don't see how it can be possible, Ty, for Caesar to have had
dreams -- nightmares -- about the End of the World BEFORE the events
I've recapped from BATTLE. Caesar, at the beginning of the film,
makes a distinction regarding "human" history and "ape" history,
insisting that Apes are different from the Humans, and that the
trends of human history don't apply, now that Apes are in control.
The whole point of the film was to show that the Apes are NO
DIFFERENT from the Humans; that if Humans destroyed their own
civilization with nukes, Apes have that SAME FLAW which will also
eventually lead to the destruction of ALL civilization in the
year "3950" (as heard from Zira's drunken testimony) due to "the
gorillas' war". When MacDonald tells Jake that the Apes --
chanting "Ape has killed Ape!" over and over again -- have joined the
Human Race, that's the whole point of the film. And that point
completes the character arc of Caesar, with his realization that
Armando was right about one thing (and I'm quoting from David
Gerrold's novelization of the scene): "... we must love one another
or die." [BATTLE, chapter 2]

In the actual film, that scene begins with Caesar watering a plant
(like Adam "tending the garden" perhaps?...) and musing, "Oh, if only
my mother and father, whom I was too young to remember... if only
they'd lived, perhaps they would've taught me if it was right to kill
Evil, so that Good should prevail."

Watch that scene again, Ty, and tell me how it is that a younger
Caesar (in your comic) can write in his journal, "I remember my
parents" and "I remember my mother" and all those other Remembers you
have him writing down... when he LATER tells MacDonald that he "was
too young to remember" his parents. I just can't square it with the
dialogue Caesar speaks in BATTLE. He DIDN'T know his parents. He only
knew OF them what he had been taught by Armando -- who, in the
opening scenes of CONQUEST, recapped what he'd always taught him:
that he (Caesar) is the only talking ape on Earth (he supposes), the
child of the two talking apes, Zira and Cornelius, who came from the
Future and were brutally murdered because it was feared that -- one
very distant day -- "apes would dominate the human race".

Armando didn't know about the End of the World. Cornelius and Zira
witnessed it, and they told Lewis Dixon and Stephanie Branton about
it. And, under the influence of "Grape Juice Plus", Zira divulged it
to Hasslein (whence the President and his Commission found out about
it)... but there is no evidence whatsoever that ARMANDO had ever been
told about it. He indicates his ignorance of "Doomsday" in that recap
dialogue at the beginning of CONQUEST: he thinks that Zira and
Cornelius were murdered (along with the baby chimp Zira switched with
Heloise) out of the fear of Ape Dominance over Man. He didn't know
about Doomsday. Neither did Caesar -- until he heard MacDonald
mention it "from the lips of [his] own parents".

Don't get me wrong, Ty. I'm enjoying the comic, the same way I
enjoyed some of the other POTA comics that made their way to print
("URCHAK'S FOLLY"... Marvel's "TERROR" series, etc). But due to these
elements that just don't gibe with the "canon" details given in the
movies, I can't consider "REVOLUTION" to be part of the POTA canon.
For me, they'll have to be relegated to the POTA Apocrypha, if you
will. That doesn't mean they aren't worth reading (they are). It just
means that I can't categorize 'em with the 5-film saga.

Hell, I wish it were possible to reconcile Marvel's "TERROR" series
with the filmed POTA saga, but it, too, must be
considered 'apocryphal' (for my tastes), even though I found 'em
vastly entertaining. Remember when Gunpowder Julius kicked Brutus'
ass in that knock-down drag-out fistfight? Or when Lightsmith showed
Jason and Alexander his Wonder Wagon? I wish I could reconcile all
of "TERROR" with the POTA 'canon'... but I just can't see fit to
include the Psychedrome and the Gorilloids (etc etc) into the same
universe plausibly.

But that's just me.

Keep on makin' these new comics, Ty, and don't worry -- I'll buy 'em
(2 copies of each, plus the 'graphic novel' version when it comes
out) and read 'em and (trust me) I'll enjoy 'em. But I can't
consider 'em 'canon'.

If you can explain away the discrepancies I've pointed out (with
quotes from the relevant films), I'm all ears! By all means, convince
me that it 'works', despite my misgivings. I'd be happy to revise my
opinion. But you have some 'splainin' to do!

Respectfully,

Patrick Tilton

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] More on that timeline issue...

That is a BIG part of what we're playing with at Mr. Comics. 

Is the timeline a circle?  Is the timeline ALWAYS a circle?  Is there any way OFF the circle ride?  Joe and I had two main thoughts about Apes we wanted to play with, with this series: one of them was having the apes in modern America, and 2) was to play with the idea of fate, and choice in a time travel story.

We're heading somewhere specific, I promise.

Ty

On 4/20/06, mlccougar@... < mlccougar@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/20/2006 1:39:35 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

A story that even YOU seem to care about enough, since you insist [wrongly] that there's a "changed timeline" introduced in it. Would you argue so often and so loudly about a film you totally despised?

First off, I agree [RIGHTLY] with Rory that BATTLE is part of the "changed timeline"...

Second of all, Rory (and my) "argument" is that BATTLE is a PART of the "changed timeline" which is actually started with ESCAPE!!!!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:56 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Legacy Review

Patrick,

 

I’d love to see these too.

 

I would particularly like them added as bonus footage, but with the capacity to play it altogether too if you wish.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Friday, 21 April 2006 4:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Legacy Review

 

*** Rory, if I "had my hands" on PLANET, you'd probably be very very
VERY grateful. By that, I mean that if I had the power to force Fox
to dredge up all the filmed footage that had been shot for PLANET and
yet edited out from the "final cut" for whatever reasons, and produce
an "extended cut" version, you'd be the first to applaud it. Such an
extended cut would not replace the version we all know and love --
nor would it be intended to do so. But it would give us POTA fans a
chance to actually see those scenes that we KNOW were filmed and yet
have never seen (save in an occasional still image or two). I'm
talkin' 'bout scenes like the one where Taylor (when he first escapes
his cage) goes into that river at one point... like the one where
Zira & Lucius' wagon is stopped by the Hunt Club gorillas... like the
one where Zira attends to Nova and discovers she's pregnant.

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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2125


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
> > Oh, yeah, I've always felt that the movies portray Hasslein more
> > darkly than he should be portrayed. If two talking apes showed up,
> > saying the world was going to end, they'd definitely be the villains,
> > not those trying to prevent such a morbid future. It's only because
> > we already knew Zira and Cornelius from the first two films that
> > Hasslein became the villain. Had the series started with Escape, I
> > think he'd have been portrayed a good deal more sympathetically.
>
> -- Exactly. He didn't have the knowledge that we the audience had,
> knowing that Z & C were nice / sympathetic to humans.
> How would we react if all we knew about them was that they were going
> to have a baby that would one day be the cause of Man's downfall and
> the Apes' rise and to also find out about the gruesome experiments and
> operations that Zira preformed on humans?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

On 4/22/06, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

For about 3 weeks!

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2006 2:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: RotPotA #3

 

  For the record, my comic shop hasn't received # 3 yet and they've been ordering them for me. I assume # 3 is supposed to be out already? - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: RotPotA #3

 

Of course we're aware of all the stuff you pointed out.  We're playing with the concept of fatalism and timelines in our story, and may not end in the "circular" timeline you're expecting. 

The Caesar's Journal in #4 (due out in a couple of weeks) includes mentions that he's dreams are stopping, and that he's not even remembering them any more.  The entire circular timeline suggests that Cornelius and Zira would eventually show up, many generations after their own progeny, and so would the bomb that ends the world....

But what if THIS Caesar thinks of a way to STOP the future from coming true... What if this is a version of Planet of the Apes where the timeline ISN'T a circle?

We're playing in that sandbox, and it has a really fun ending.  But I don't want to give away anything else.

Ty the Guy.

On 4/20/06, patrickmichaeltilton < patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>

> ABSOLUTELY we are aware of Project 13.
>
> I have a copy of the film...more or less based on a true story, by
the way.
>
> Ty

*** Really? "PROJECT 13" was based on a true story? It wouldn't
surprise me if primates HAD been used in military testing and all
that, but I didn't know that this particular movie was "based on a
true story". Do you have any other background on this?

By the way, if whoever has the copyright to that movie does notice
your REVOLUTION/POTA comic, I hope they don't get uppity and threaten
any lawsuits over the similarities. I hope they look on it as an
homage, a tip-of-the-hat to another movie about the inhuman treatment
of primates by other primates. I'm sure they were more-than-aware of
PLANET OF THE APES when they made their movie (especially CONQUEST,
to which it bears more than a minimal resemblance).

I should go out and buy a copy of that movie on DVD and watch it
again. I saw it when it first was in theaters and liked it a whole
hell of a lot.

On another note, let me say something about your comic book, which I
am enjoying (btw).

I'm a bit concerned with this notion you've put forward that Caesar
had grown up having "post-cognitive" visions of the End of the World,
due to having been in Zira's womb during the events of PLANET and
BENEATH. If I may quote from your "CAESAR'S JOURNAL" in issue #3,
page 1:

"I remember my parents. Talking apes from the future, executed by the
U.S. Government two days after I was born -- to keep the future from
happening.

THIS future.

Armando told me. But I already knew. I remember them. I remember my
mother. I remember the day I was born. But I remember the day before
as well. Just as clearly as I remember the day after tomorrow.

HOW?

I dream of my parents escaping a bloody war in the future.-- coming
back in time. I dream the war with the gorillas and the terrible
scarred descendants of man -- I remember the evil controlling orang-
utans of my parent's far distant world. I remember the Earth burning
and every living soul on its surface crumbling into hot ash."

Later, on page 29, you guys have Caesar telling Armando: "But
sometimes I dream awful things. Explosions. Bombs. Wars. Men with
scars who wear masks. Gorillas on horses hunting people..."

Now, Ty, I'm not telling you guys to stop making this comic book, or
that I'll stop buying it just because I can never consider it as part
of the POTA "canon", but I do have a problem with this whole approach
to Caesar. This notion that he has somehow had dreams all through his
formative years that (obviously) are not "mere dreams" at all, but
awarenesses of the actual situation on Earth when his parents were
living in the future.

In CONQUEST, it is made fairly plain that Caesar had no idea
whatsoever that the apes in the cities (in 1991) had been enslaved.
The character arc he undergoes in that film alone involves an initial
complete ignorance of the sorry condition of his "fellow apes"
(his "own kind"), followed by the shock-to-the-system that transpires
once he sees with his own eyes the brutality inflicted on the apes.

In BATTLE, Caesar goes out of his way to tell MacDonald that with
Apes at the helm, the Earth will sail through the Universe until the
end of Time, and Virgil says that Time HAS NO END, so he (Caesar)
can't believe MacDonald's "pessimism" about the End of the World.
Indeed, it is only because of MacDonald telling him about the
existence of the sealed tapes from the 1973 Presidential Commission
(and their subsequent journey to the Forbidden City to see and hear
the images and voices of his deceased parents) that Caesar FIRST
becomes aware of the fact that the Earth will be destroyed. After
hearing Hasslein's voice mention "The Date-Meter on the spaceship:
what did it read after Earth's destruction?" and Zira's voice mention
the date "Thirty-Nine Fifty--" Caesar reproaches Virgil, saying, "And
YOU talk to your pupils about Eternity!"

After hearing his father's voice talk about the ape who said 'No' to
a human, Caesar declares: "No WONDER all mankind thirsted for my
blood and wanted my birth aborted! In the year Thirty-Nine Fifty,
apes will destroy the Earth!"

I just don't see how it can be possible, Ty, for Caesar to have had
dreams -- nightmares -- about the End of the World BEFORE the events
I've recapped from BATTLE. Caesar, at the beginning of the film,
makes a distinction regarding "human" history and "ape" history,
insisting that Apes are different from the Humans, and that the
trends of human history don't apply, now that Apes are in control.
The whole point of the film was to show that the Apes are NO
DIFFERENT from the Humans; that if Humans destroyed their own
civilization with nukes, Apes have that SAME FLAW which will also
eventually lead to the destruction of ALL civilization in the
year "3950" (as heard from Zira's drunken testimony) due to "the
gorillas' war". When MacDonald tells Jake that the Apes --
chanting "Ape has killed Ape!" over and over again -- have joined the
Human Race, that's the whole point of the film. And that point
completes the character arc of Caesar, with his realization that
Armando was right about one thing (and I'm quoting from David
Gerrold's novelization of the scene): "... we must love one another
or die." [BATTLE, chapter 2]

In the actual film, that scene begins with Caesar watering a plant
(like Adam "tending the garden" perhaps?...) and musing, "Oh, if only
my mother and father, whom I was too young to remember... if only
they'd lived, perhaps they would've taught me if it was right to kill
Evil, so that Good should prevail."

Watch that scene again, Ty, and tell me how it is that a younger
Caesar (in your comic) can write in his journal, "I remember my
parents" and "I remember my mother" and all those other Remembers you
have him writing down... when he LATER tells MacDonald that he "was
too young to remember" his parents. I just can't square it with the
dialogue Caesar speaks in BATTLE. He DIDN'T know his parents. He only
knew OF them what he had been taught by Armando -- who, in the
opening scenes of CONQUEST, recapped what he'd always taught him:
that he (Caesar) is the only talking ape on Earth (he supposes), the
child of the two talking apes, Zira and Cornelius, who came from the
Future and were brutally murdered because it was feared that -- one
very distant day -- "apes would dominate the human race".

Armando didn't know about the End of the World. Cornelius and Zira
witnessed it, and they told Lewis Dixon and Stephanie Branton about
it. And, under the influence of "Grape Juice Plus", Zira divulged it
to Hasslein (whence the President and his Commission found out about
it)... but there is no evidence whatsoever that ARMANDO had ever been
told about it. He indicates his ignorance of "Doomsday" in that recap
dialogue at the beginning of CONQUEST: he thinks that Zira and
Cornelius were murdered (along with the baby chimp Zira switched with
Heloise) out of the fear of Ape Dominance over Man. He didn't know
about Doomsday. Neither did Caesar -- until he heard MacDonald
mention it "from the lips of [his] own parents".

Don't get me wrong, Ty. I'm enjoying the comic, the same way I
enjoyed some of the other POTA comics that made their way to print
("URCHAK'S FOLLY"... Marvel's "TERROR" series, etc). But due to these
elements that just don't gibe with the "canon" details given in the
movies, I can't consider "REVOLUTION" to be part of the POTA canon.
For me, they'll have to be relegated to the POTA Apocrypha, if you
will. That doesn't mean they aren't worth reading (they are). It just
means that I can't categorize 'em with the 5-film saga.

Hell, I wish it were possible to reconcile Marvel's "TERROR" series
with the filmed POTA saga, but it, too, must be
considered 'apocryphal' (for my tastes), even though I found 'em
vastly entertaining. Remember when Gunpowder Julius kicked Brutus'
ass in that knock-down drag-out fistfight? Or when Lightsmith showed
Jason and Alexander his Wonder Wagon? I wish I could reconcile all
of "TERROR" with the POTA 'canon'... but I just can't see fit to
include the Psychedrome and the Gorilloids (etc etc) into the same
universe plausibly.

But that's just me.

Keep on makin' these new comics, Ty, and don't worry -- I'll buy 'em
(2 copies of each, plus the 'graphic novel' version when it comes
out) and read 'em and (trust me) I'll enjoy 'em. But I can't
consider 'em 'canon'.

If you can explain away the discrepancies I've pointed out (with
quotes from the relevant films), I'm all ears! By all means, convince
me that it 'works', despite my misgivings. I'd be happy to revise my
opinion. But you have some 'splainin' to do!

Respectfully,

Patrick Tilton

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2006 12:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another PLANET DVD cover

I have that same problem where Rory's article and the new DVD cover
are not in the message by the time I go to look at them. I usually
have to go back after Neil has added them to the files to see
anything. Since he hasn't yet...no comments.  Hint Hint

 

Has Neil posted any pages, or

has he been on hiatus this week?

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>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
>
> -- Hint taken! Did I forget anything?
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2006 12:41 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another PLANET DVD cover
>
>
> I have that same problem where Rory's article and the new DVD cover
> are not in the message by the time I go to look at them. I usually
> have to go back after Neil has added them to the files to see
> anything. Since he hasn't yet...no comments. Hint Hint
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
Date: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:45 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan

> I only get the cover when I go to this link.
>
> Is there a way to see the entire magazine?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of John Brandon Kirtley
> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 7:47 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan
>
> > > Here is a scan of the 2nd issue (this is a Roddy
> > > tribute site):
> > > http://xmoppet.org/scans/apesfan.html"
> > >
> > > Dario
>
> --
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, tshaf37@... wrote:
>
> Heres my question to the group. I own all the movies from the
evolution
> package from a few years ago. The TV series and the cartoons, the
behind the
> Planet of the apes and the second version of behind the Planet of
the apes with
> the Roddey Mcdowell interview as well as the uncut version of
battle for the
> planet of the apes. Now to my question, is it to any advantage for
me to buy
> the new set in any way? Is there anything different from what I all
ready
> have? I don't want to throw a ton of money away on what I allready
own and just
> have doubles of it.
>
> Tom
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry. When I said their was 'a scan' of the second issue I meant a
scan
> of the cover, not the entire zine. The second issue is big (60
pgs). I
> lot bigger than issue 1. There are photos on almost every page
including
> some pages that are full photo shots. All the photos are VERY
clear.
> (Hey, I told you that this was a top nothch 'zine!).
>
> I could attempt to scan it but I don't think my cheap scanner could
> handle it. I would hate to scan it at a low resolution that would
loose
> detail of the pictures and another problem my be the text as it is
quite
> dense with a relatively small font. If I do scan it I would still
have a
> problem posting it online as the files would be very large and aside
> from all the disk space it would take, it would take me ages if I
> uploaded it from home as I only have dialup.
>
> Let me test out a few pages sometime this week to see if I can
handle it
> and somehow get it to Hunters site.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
> Date: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:45 pm
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan
>
> > I only get the cover when I go to this link.
> >
> > Is there a way to see the entire magazine?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf
> > Of John Brandon Kirtley
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 7:47 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan
> >
> > > > Here is a scan of the 2nd issue (this is a Roddy
> > > > tribute site):
> > > > http://xmoppet.org/scans/apesfan.html"
> > > >
> > > > Dario
> >
> > --
> >
>

> Hey all, there is a Sideshow Mutant Jailer on Ebay
> if any one missed
> out on getting one.
> John
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>

>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2006 4:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ape Head $144 CDN - Costco

Just buy the set of the movies for $39.99 or whatever the cost is.
The new truly widescreen transfers of the sequals are definately
worth having and the sound is noticably better. The TV show and
cartoon DVD's are no better or different than what you already have.
So, unless you want the display head, save your money and buy the
smaller set.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2006 4:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apesfan

IAlso if there is anything
else in my collection worth posting, I'm not sure what anyone needs
or is looking for. Now that I have the good connection I'd be willing
to post whatever. I've gained so much especially from Hunter's site,
I'd love to give back a little.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Monday, 24 April 2006 6:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Sideshow Mutant Jailer

Scroll down in the listing and see the Beneath cell
fight scene recreated ala Sideshow!

>
> I was at a Barnes and Noble today and saw an interesting book

> movie palaces. This is what I found out about the theatre that

> premiered in on February 8, 1968, the Capital Theatre. It was

> one time was the largest theatre in the world. In 1962 it was

> Cinerama screen and had over 5,300 seats!
>
> Can you imagine what it was like to see PLANET in those first few

> huge Cinerama screen with an audience of over 5000 people?! Must

> something.
>
> Think about that the next time you're watching PLANET on DVD.
>
> -- Rory

>

> In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:34:17 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> > Was one of them named Caesar?
>
> We can only assume so... Or, maybe there was named
> Aldo...
>

> Actually the "leader's" name is Bruno.......
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:34:17 PM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> > > Was one of them named Caesar?
> >
> > We can only assume so... Or, maybe there was named
> > Aldo...
> >
>
>
>

> This is, I hope, my final version of the PLANET DVD/LP cover.

> Very nice Rory - thanks for sharing this with us.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Haristas@...
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 7:59 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Redo Cover yet again!
>
> OK, I really shouldn't post these things until I've
> truly finished them.
>
> This is, I hope, my final version of the PLANET
> DVD/LP cover. I wasn't
> satisfied with the first version. What was I trying
> to do? At first it
> was to just to try and blend a modern DVD cover with
> the 1968 LP
> soundtrack album cover, but then I decided what I
> really wanted was to
> create was a DVD cover for PLANET as it would have
> been if there were
> DVDs in 1968.
>
> So, I've dumped the "Studio Classics" banner on the
> top of the front
> cover and blown that up, and I've also dropped the
> DVD details and
> copyright info from the back cover. Who needs it?
> This gave me room to
> add text to the back cover. I've stuck with the
> black and white images
> shown on the inside jacket of the album cover, but
> above that I've added
> some text from one of the PLANET pressbook ads. The
> round Fox logo on
> the spine is also from the 1968 pressbook.
>
> Some of you might like the images on the back to be
> in color, so I will
> post this one more time -- when I get around to it
> -- with color
> versions of the characters taken from the PLANET
> half-sheet poster.
>
> Now, I'll start thinking about a BENEATH cover based
> on the LP album for
> that movie.
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> Doesn't anyone have any criticisms of the article I posted? Go

>
> Patrick? Are you out there?
>
> -- Rory

>
> In a message dated 4/20/2006 3:07:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
> > "I dream of my parents escaping a bloody war in the future.--

> >
> > Later, on page 29, you guys have Caesar telling Armando: "But

> >
> >
>
> This is all such bullsh*t!!!!
>
> Not only do I agree with everything Patrick stated in his post

>
> In a message dated 4/20/06 2:39:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > *** Rory, if I "had my hands" on PLANET, you'd probably be very

> >
> > If I "had my hands" on PLANET -- if I could get access to their

> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
> Oh, God..... Where is Dr. Zaius with that lobotomy scalpel when

>
> Patrick, I firmly believe you simply don't know any better, you

>
> Not only wouldn't I applaud you "getting your hands" on PLANET, but

>
> I'm absolutely against any kind of "extended cut" of PLANET. Such

>
> To create an artificial "extended cut" of PLANET would be a

>
> I'm also against any such thing being done to BENEATH and all the

>
> Patrick, even since I first knew of you and your revisionist views

>
> And while we're no the subject I'll ONCE AGAIN repeat that PLANET

>
> The sequels got the date wrong, NOT PLANET!!!
>
> Patrick, if you had any kind of respect for PLANET you'd not call

>
> I just wish that Franklin J. Schaffner was alive. I'm sure he too

>
> -- Rory
>
> PS
>
> I'd love to see all the scenes cut from the final films, including

OK so Now I've got one of those new Ape Head DVD sets, but my ape is
kinda having a 'bad hair day'. (BTW it was $149.99 not $144 CDN as I
initially reported).

The hair is not nearly as bad looking as some of the earlier ads
suggested, but I can see how it can easily get riled up and look
disastrous.  The head comes packed between these two form fitting
styrofoam boxes and to keep the hair as neat as possible, a thin
plastic covering is used as a kind of headband. After removing all the
packaging material, I can still see a slight imperfection that shows
where the thin plastic band was used, and the hair is a bit 'bundled'
(hard to decribe) around the perimeter of where the band was. But I'm
hesitant to try to fix it as the 'hair' seems VERY delicate. Besides,
I don't know how I would go about it. Has anyone tried restyling the
hair? I'd like to know if anyone has done it successfully as I'd like
to get the 'look' as accurate as possible.

Dario

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Well what was the first real group project?

I think it was when I sent the Power Records (on a cassette) to Valerie Williams Parish and her husband transferred these to digital.

 

I believe then Greg P got scanning and Hunter linked them all up to give us a downloadable Power Records Slide-show on Hunter’s site.

 

So I propose this was the first fan conspiracy to provide the fans with something free and of great value.

 

Anyone agree/disagree?  I know I often get things mixed up/forget people.....

Michael

OK, I really shouldn't post these things until I've truly finished them.

One way that MIGHT work -- just MAYBE, now -- is if one of the
Mutants established a telepathic mind-link with Zira's unborn baby
prior to Milo and his friends lifting off into orbit, and transferred
a bunch of telepathically-collected sensory impressions of the war
then on-going between the invading Gorillas and the Mutants. If the
location of the ANSA ship is near enough, then MAYBE a Mutant in the
buried city could 'connect' his or her mind with that chimp fetus'
mind and dump into his cerebral cortex all sorts of images that
otherwise could NOT be accessible.


P.S. There IS one 'mistake' in Issue 2, though. On page 12, when
Caesar is torturing/interrogating Breck, we see an image of Taylor
about to pull down the trigger of the Doomsday Bomb as Caesar's
voiceover states: "All my life I have dreamt the end of the world.
Apes and Humans at each others throats. A great golden sword poised
to destory [sic: should be DESTROY] them all. In the hands of a man
whose fear of my kind was outstripped only by the loathing of his
own."

"It's doomsday, Zaius!"

The mistake is that the Doomsday Bomb is pictured in the vertical,
upright position -- but by the time Taylor pulls the trigger, Ursus
had had his gorillas use their block-&-tackle to pull it down. All
that steam venting from the Bomb came out AFTER it had been dropped
the last couple decimeters to its horizontal position.

Oops...

I knew I was forgetting someone!

What was the next project Greg?

 

Michael