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I LIKE It!

 

 

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all the info in the bust is handwritten.....which is
odd they would have put the copywright on there....But
maybe that was the name of the kit "Wisest
Ape"....MEdicoms call him the "Greatest Ape" and of
course he is indeed both of these things. Hail
Lawgiver!

--- TZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 5/2/2006 10:52:06 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> "Wisest Ape copyright 2004 "
>
>
>
> That's usually the Japanese designation for The
> Lawgiver.
> Which makes sense, since garage kits started in
> Japan.
>
>
>

.html In a message dated 5/2/06 8:38:35 AM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Thanks Greg – can't wait!

Cougar – you got yours yet?


Not a thing yet Whitty...<.html

.html In a message dated 5/2/06 8:44:48 AM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I wonder what Chambers would have come up with using today's technology?

Thing is that Chambers probably could have designed a more "realistic" looking ape, but he chose not to for aesthetic reasons... He felt that the audience would have been "grossed out" looking at real looking apes for 2 hrs...<.html

You know you think you have seen a movie so many time
you would have noticed everything about it but I did
not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory about him
being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
perhaps??

--- abmac@... wrote:

>
> Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name
> doesn't have the
> Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate
> that he's a "foreigner"
> from another area who thinks he's being
> discriminated against because of his
> species, when his superiors are really prejudiced
> against him because of his
> place of origin.
>

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 10:26:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Thing is that Chambers probably could have designed a more "realistic" looking ape, but he chose not to for aesthetic reasons... He felt that the audience would have been "grossed out" looking at real looking apes for 2 hrs...

 

Yes, as I recall, they took great pains to create apes

that looked aesthetically pleasing.  If you've seen some

of the background apes you'll see there are a lot who aren't.

 

<.html

I can't see it for some reason. All I get is a box that states
attachment not stored. Can any one tell me what I need to do to fix my
computer to where I can see this and other attachments?
Thanks
John

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF I INCLUDE THE ATTACHED PHOTO!
>
> OK, here's yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one using

the

> original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can come up

with for a back

> cover. Again, I'm still working on it.
>
> -- Rory
>

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OK, here's yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one using the original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can come up with for a back cover.  Again, I'm still working on it.

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.html -- No idea with the computer help John but I have uploaded a copy of the cover to the files section in the DVD Cover Ideas folder. Unfortunately I did have to lower the resolution a bit to make the file smaller.

Neil

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>

On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52

> Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 6:26

AM

> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another

Beneath DVD cover

>
>
> I can't see it for some reason. All I

get is a box that states

> attachment not stored. Can any one tell me what

I need to do

> to fix my
> computer to where I can see this and

other attachments?

> Thanks
> John
>
>  In

PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> >
> > MIGHT BE A

GOOD IDEA IF I INCLUDE THE ATTACHED PHOTO!

> >
> > OK, here's

yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one using

> the
> >

original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can come up

> with

for a back

> > cover.  Again, I'm still working on it.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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.html -- Anthony, this is a very interesting and new theory and perhaps one to follow up in a future story maybe?

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>

On Behalf Of abmac@...

> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 5:09 PM
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume

tests

> Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name doesn't

have the

> Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate

that

> he's a "foreigner"
> from another area who thinks he's being

discriminated against

> because of his
> species, when his superiors

are really prejudiced against him

> because of his
> place of

origin.

<.html

.html -- One thing that may help is if you go to Edit Membership and in the Message Format check the convert to HTML section (see below). If you have it set for plain text you won't get the pictures that are sent in emails

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>

On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52

> Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 6:26

AM

> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another

Beneath DVD cover

>
>
> I can't see it for some reason. All I

get is a box that states

> attachment not stored. Can any one tell me what

I need to do

> to fix my
> computer to where I can see this and

other attachments?

> Thanks
> John
>
>  In

PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> >
> > MIGHT BE A

GOOD IDEA IF I INCLUDE THE ATTACHED PHOTO!

> >
> > OK, here's

yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one using

> the
> >

original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can come up

> with

for a back

> > cover.  Again, I'm still working on it.
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> Issue 81 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue

returns us to the Future History Chronicles storyline featuring giant
city-ships of apes. Art is by Tom Sutton. This issue also includes a
photo of Urko as well as a letters page.

-- As usual a big thanks to you Greg for scanning these comics and
Hunter for hosting them. As I've mentioned before, Tom Sutton was
always one of my least favourite Apes artists but that is not to put
down his work. There's just something about it that doesn't resonate
with me for some reason.

Neil

just got a copy today.... haven't read it yet but I
did scan the letters section and Neil Foster and
DrJohnZaiusDavis have letters printed!

Tim

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.html -- Anthony, this is a very interesting and new theory and perhaps one to follow up in a future story maybe?

> -----Original Message-----
>

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]

>

On Behalf Of abmac@...

> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 5:09 PM
>

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume

tests

> Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name doesn't

have the

> Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate

that

> he's a "foreigner"
> from another area who thinks he's being

discriminated against

> because of his
> species, when his superiors

are really prejudiced against him

> because of his
> place of

origin.

<.html

.html -- Do we? Cool, can't wait to get my copy then!

> -----Original Message-----
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]

>

On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"

> Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 8:09 AM
> To:

PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution

#4

>
>
> just got a copy today.... haven't read it yet but

I

> did scan the letters section and  Neil Foster and
>

DrJohnZaiusDavis have letters printed!

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , abmac@... wrote:

> How's that for a start on the background? Comments and suggestions

are welcome.

-- Excellent! Some really nice ideas to work with there.

Neil

HOLY SH*T!!! I had no idea. I got my copies today and was just about
to comment on how I would love to get my hands on Tom's pencil's for
this issue. That's very cool, what a great surprise.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> just got a copy today.... haven't read it yet but I
> did scan the letters section and Neil Foster and
> DrJohnZaiusDavis have letters printed!
>
> Tim
>
>

Mine was already set to that when I check my settings. Anyway,
thanks for the uploaded copy Neil!
Rory, this cover is awesome!!! I can't make up my mind on which
Beneath cover I like the best; this one or your first one. But, if I
had to pick, I would have to go with this one. What you did for the
back cover is outstanding!!! The Mutants on the top is a neat touch!
I wish I could figure out the Adobe Paint Shop I have so I could
play around with my hand at making some covers!
John



In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> -- One thing that may help is if you go to Edit Membership and in

the

> Message Format check the convert to HTML section (see below). If

you

> have it set for plain text you won't get the pictures that are

sent in

> emails
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> Message Format
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> * Convert to HTML - Convert plain-text messages sent to me to
> HTML.
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> Neil
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
> > Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 6:26 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another Beneath DVD cover
> >
> >
> > I can't see it for some reason. All I get is a box that states
> > attachment not stored. Can any one tell me what I need to do
> > to fix my
> > computer to where I can see this and other attachments?
> > Thanks
> > John
> >
> > In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > > MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF I INCLUDE THE ATTACHED PHOTO!
> > >
> > > OK, here's yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one

using

> > the
> > > original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can come

up

> > with for a back
> > > cover. Again, I'm still working on it.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Mine was also already set but i can't view pics till Neil uploads
them.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
<JLKINSER1970@...> wrote:

>
> Mine was already set to that when I check my settings. Anyway,
> thanks for the uploaded copy Neil!
> Rory, this cover is awesome!!! I can't make up my mind on which
> Beneath cover I like the best; this one or your first one. But, if

I

> had to pick, I would have to go with this one. What you did for the
> back cover is outstanding!!! The Mutants on the top is a neat

touch!

> I wish I could figure out the Adobe Paint Shop I have so I could
> play around with my hand at making some covers!
> John
>
>
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > -- One thing that may help is if you go to Edit Membership and in
> the
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> > have it set for plain text you won't get the pictures that are
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> > emails
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> > * Convert to HTML - Convert plain-text messages sent to me to
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> > > On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
> > > Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 6:26 AM
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> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Yet another Beneath DVD cover
> > >
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> > > I can't see it for some reason. All I get is a box that states
> > > attachment not stored. Can any one tell me what I need to do
> > > to fix my
> > > computer to where I can see this and other attachments?
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> > >
> > > In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF I INCLUDE THE ATTACHED PHOTO!
> > > >
> > > > OK, here's yet another BENEATH DVD cover I've made, this one
> using
> > > the
> > > > original 1-sheet for the front cover, then the best I can

come

> up
> > > with for a back
> > > > cover. Again, I'm still working on it.
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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.html.htmlHere's a DVD cover I've just finished for ESCAPE.  It features an alternative ad from the pressbook on the back.

-- Rory<.html<.html

.html.html In a message dated 5/3/06 10:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

Rory, this cover is awesome!!! I can't make up my mind on which
Beneath cover I like the best; this one or your first one. But, if I
had to pick, I would have to go with this one. What you did for the
back cover is outstanding!!! The Mutants on the top is a neat touch!
I wish I could figure out the Adobe Paint Shop I have so I could
play around with my hand at making some covers!
John

Thanks.  All I can say is once you learn how to use photoshop it's pretty easy, and you can do almost anything!

I think you'll like the ESCAPE cover too.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 5/4/06 12:32:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Trawling the web I found an interview with David Charkham who played one of the apes in the 'Dawn of Man' sequence from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Here is a little snippet:

"As for the general vibe on the movie, Dan Richter and possibly Kubrick were convinced that the Planet of the Apes, being made around the same time, technical crew were spying on us! One day we were rehearsing in a field on studio grounds and Dan made us all get in a tight huddle as an aircraft flew over in case they had a camera. Rumour had it that everything from the movie was destroyed to avoid copies etc"

Were they really that paranoid? I find it hard to believe that Chambers and Co would have bothered spying myself!

Neil



This story is very true, but says a lot more about what a paranoid nut case Kubrick was.

By the time Chambers started working on APES, the stuff in 2001 had already been shot.  Anyway, Chambers knew nothing of it, and he thought 2001 sucked!

Chambers getting the special Oscar for APES really pissed the 2001 people off!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 5/3/2006 11:32:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Were they really that paranoid? I find it hard to believe that Chambers and Co would have bothered spying myself!

 

Then again it was the Summer Of Love, when substances abounded.

Brian Wilson was convinced that Phil Specter had him bugged.

 

<.html

.html I like this one a lot... While I usually do NOT like the "family portrait", I like it in this case... It works very well...

Also, I really dig the baby Milo photo on the back...

The only thing that throws it off for me is the b&w picture on the bottom of the back... I hate to say it, but it may need text back there...

Also, the mini picture on the spine is excellent...<.html

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Here's a DVD cover I've just finished for ESCAPE.  It features an alternative ad from the pressbook on the back.

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Wow that's crazy stuff, childish also

 

T

 

In a message dated 5/3/2006 9:32:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Trawling the web I found an interview with David Charkham who played one of the apes in the 'Dawn of Man' sequence from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Here is a little snippet:

 

"As for the general vibe on the movie, Dan Richter and possibly Kubrick were convinced that the Planet of the Apes, being made around the same time, technical crew were spying on us! One day we were rehearsing in a field on studio grounds and Dan made us all get in a tight huddle as an aircraft flew over in case they had a camera. Rumour had it that everything from the movie was destroyed to avoid copies etc"

 

Were they really that paranoid? I find it hard to believe that Chambers and Co would have bothered spying myself!

 

Neil

 

<.html

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 1:20:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

Wow that's crazy stuff, childish also

 

Knowing Specter, he may have.

 

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 12:07:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Here's a DVD cover I've just finished for ESCAPE.  It features an alternative ad from the pressbook on the back.

 

I love that ad.  I remember being away for the summer

in Montana at camp.  And somehow got a movie section

of the paper, in a care package or something, and going

ape that there was going to be a new POTA movie.

 

<.html

.html<.html

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In a message dated 5/4/2006 11:26:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

 I can send them directly to anyone too.

 

I'd like a full set!

 

 

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I thought I'd seen everything, but this guy's stuff is truly original.

http://stores.ebay.com/planetoftheapesphotos

Apologies if this has been flagged on the DG before.

Mark T-B.

.html.html In a message dated 5/4/06 3:35:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

I love that ad.  I remember being away for the summer
in Montana at camp.  And somehow got a movie section
of the paper, in a care package or something, and going
ape that there was going to be a new POTA movie.

Yeah, I first heard of ESCAPE in December of 1970 because there was an article in the New York Times about it, and I couldn't believe they were making another one.  I couldn't imagine it.  Somehow I figured someone had to blast off from the planet before it exploded, and I remember telling a lie to my cousin that I saw a picture from the new movie in a magazine that showed a spaceship erected in the center of Ape City.  I think he believed me!

Now it's just Whitty that believes my made up stories -- like the one about Tom Baker!  Ha! Ha!

-- Rory

-- Rory<.html <.html

Agree. Even the fact that 'us' is a word with distinct meaning can
come into play. Something like clansmanship. Either you are part
of 'us' or you are not.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:52 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests

> -- Anthony, this is a very interesting and new theory and perhaps
> one to
> follow up in a future story maybe?
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of abmac@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 5:09 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests
>
> > Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name doesn't have
the
> > Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate that
> > he's a "foreigner"
> > from another area who thinks he's being discriminated against
> > because of his
> > species, when his superiors are really prejudiced against him
> > because of his
> > place of origin.
>
>
>

Yes Neil, your mail is in "Hail Caesar".
But to be honest I was really hoping to see some of your art in there!

Next ish?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 6:12 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Revolution #4

> -- Do we? Cool, can't wait to get my copy then!
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 8:09 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution #4
> >
> >
> > just got a copy today.... haven't read it yet but I
> > did scan the letters section and Neil Foster and
> > DrJohnZaiusDavis have letters printed!
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> You know you think you have seen a movie so many time
> you would have noticed everything about it but I did
> not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory about him
> being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
> perhaps??
>
> --- abmac@... wrote:
>

*** Dr. Galen is the only NAMED male ape in PLANET without the -us
ending -- unless you also count the chimp kid in the Zaius Museum,
which one subtitler (at least) has being "Quentin" rather
than "Quintus" [it always sounded like "Quentin" to me, though others
hear "Quintus" it seems...]. How many named apes are there? Zira is
the only named female ape. The males are Zaius, Cornelius, Julius,
Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Proteus, Marcus and Galen (and Marcus,
unless I'm not remembering it right, isn't actually named in the
movie, just on the posters... though I'd have to check the end-
credits to be sure). We don't really know the names of the "Hunt
Leader"... of the "President of the Assembly"... of the "Lieutenant"
who tells Julius to prep Number Four for surgery... of the Ape
Minister... of the gorilla kid ("Look! It's a man!")... etc etc. For
all we know, any number of them COULD have a name that also lacks
the -us ending. Since all the names above are from Greco-Roman times
with the exceptions of Zira and Zaius (both Boulle inventions), and
since the name Galen refers to the most famous physician of
antiquity, it seems obvious why Zira's fellow chimp doctor was
named 'Galen' -- it was, in a way, lazy! Looking around for
a 'classical' name for a character who happens to be a physician,
they go for the obvious one: 'Galen'.

It's a wonder Taylor -- in addition to wondering about how it is that
these talkin' apes speak the English language -- didn't also wonder
why it is that so many of the names he hears are from Earth's
classical antiquity.

Although I like Julius (as a character) better, I wonder why they
didn't use the names "Zoran" and "Zanam" -- which were pretty cool
names Boulle invented. I wonder if Boulle's character "Helius" spoke
in a cartoony-high-pitched voice?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> I'm surprised you know so much about religion Pat.
> I thought you're an atheist.
>

*** I'm an agnostic, which means that I acknowledge the fact that I
cannot prove there is no God, though I doubt 'His' existence. Of
course, I can't prove that Leprechauns never existed (or STILL don't
exist in the present day), either... The burden of proof is on the
believer. Whether it's God, or Leprechauns, or Faeries, or Dragons,
or UFOs, or Vampires, or Bigfoot. Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary proof, as Carl Sagan once said.

I believe -- or don't believe -- because I've never had a religious
experience per se, and because my studies regarding the wide
varieties of religious experience and belief have given me a fairly
well-informed opinion on the subject.

Case in point: the biblical "Creation" myth(s). Anybody who's read
GENESIS knows the basic story... the whole shebang is created by
Elohim (a Hebrew plural word that literally means "Gods") in 6 days,
after which "He" (singular) rests on the 7th day. This story was
written in the form we have today in the 8th-to-6th century B.C. (at
the latest, if you believe the current consensus views of reputable
textual scholars) or circa 1450 B.C. (at the earliest, if you are
a "Bible Literalist" who believes Moses himself actually existed and
wrote the Pentateuch).

Yet that story is a blatant retelling of a much earlier Creation myth
dating back well over a millennium before, to ancient Sumer, where
the Heavens and Earth were created by a pantheon of gods (Anu, Enki,
Enlil, Ninmah, Ninhursag, etc). The same 6-day pattern holds in both,
and we know that the 7-day week (which is also supposedly 'created'
by the bible's God in GENESIS 1) pre-existed the Hebrews, when it was
invented by the Sumerians, whose inheritors -- the Babylonians --
gave to the later Jews the very names of the months of the "Jewish
Calendar"... names like Tammuz, Iyar, Sivan, Adar, etc. When did the
Jews 'acquire' the Babylonian religious stories/calendar/traditions,
one might ask? According to the Bible itself, over a century after
the Assyrians conquered the northern 10-tribed nation of Israel in
the 8th Century B.C., the Babylonians conquered the southern nation
of Judah in the 6th Century B.C. and deported the aristocracy of
Judah to Babylon: "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat, yea! we
wept..." It was while they were in Babylon that they saw Babylonian
religious ceremonies on Babylonian holy days commemorating the
Creation, the Flood, etc etc. When the Persian king Cyrus conquered
the Babylonians, he gave the Jews permission to go back to their
homeland, 70 years after having been forcibly removed from it... and
they took back with them all sorts of myths and religious notions
that they hadn't had before and they incorporated these things into
their religion.

That's how the book of GENESIS acquired its Creation narrative. It
was a 'steal' from the official religion of a so-called 'pagan'
nation. The pantheon of Babylonian "Gods" -- "Elohim", plural --
became a single "God" who just happened to be referred to as a plural
word. That's why he's alternately "nice" (creating Man & Woman,
blessing them, etc)... then "nasty" (wiping out nearly all of them
with a Deluge)... then "nice" (saving some of 'em in an ark). In the
original stories, TWO gods played the major roles: Enki ("Lord of
Earth") created Man and warned Utnapishtim to build a boat, whereas
Enki's half-brother Enlil ("Lord of the Mountaintop") sent the Deluge
to kill the noisy humans who kept him awake at night. The
antagonistic roles of two rival gods in the source myth were
transformed into a SINGLE "God" in the Hebrew re-telling... making
him out to be a god with a bipolar disorder! First he's nice, then
he's a jerk, then he's nice again...

The texts of the original Creation myths were dug up in Mesopotamia
in the 1800's, and when cuneiform was deciphered and these texts
translated, ANYBODY could see that the LATER versions -- the versions
retold in the Bible -- were based on these source stories. There is
no excuse for anybody today to be a "Bible Literalist" -- to insist
that the book of GENESIS is "divinely inspired" and "true history"
and all that garbage. It's not even ORIGINAL. Everybody accepts the
fact that the gods of the Romans were merely renamed versions of
Greek gods (Aphrodite = Venus; Athena = Minerva; Zeus = Jupiter; Hera
= Juno; Hermes = Mercury; Ares = Mars; etc) -- the Romans
acknowledged that they 'adopted' the culture of the Greeks whom
they'd conquered. So, too, did the Hebrews adopt much of the
Babylonian culture, from the calendar to the Creation & Deluge myths
and beyond), but CHANGING it so that a pantheon became Monotheistic.
Even so, they didn't abolish belief in 'other' gods... they only re-
invented them as Cherubim and Seraphim and B'nei Elohim ("Sons of
God") who were the Nephilim/"Fallen Ones" who interbred with sexy
human females to beget the Gibborim/"Mighty Ones" (GENESIS 6:1-6)
just as the Greco-Roman gods routinely fathered (or mothered)
children with mortal humans -- turning these 'other' gods into the
Angels.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who espouses any belief system based
on a book (or series of books) which has been deconstructed by
competent scholars and shown to be anything BUT divinely inspired...
is, to put it not-so-nicely, a fool or an ignoramus.

That's not to say that there is no god. I can't prove the Universe
WASN'T created by an invisible, intelligent Being. No theist can
prove it WAS, though. They can BELIEVE it all they want, with all
their heart. But, if they're partial to the notion of the Bible
being "inerrant", NOT with all their MIND, if they would bother to
read the Bible's sources, which are obviously polytheistic EARLIER
works, predating the monotheistic revisions introduced in the 6th
Century B.C. or thereabouts, after the "Babylonian Captivity".

If they can't see the obvious, then they're OUT of their minds. That
may sound harsh, but it's no harsher than the beliefs they spout
about Doubters (whom they insist will burn in Hell for all eternity
for not "believing on Christ Jesus as their personal savior"...).
Look at where this God-of-the-Book belief system has gotten us of
late: the War on Terror instigated by insane religious fanatics of
the Muslim persuasion... fought by a religious fanatic of the
Fundamentalist Christian persuasion... ultimately over a small chunk
of real estate bordered by the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea and
currently "occupied" by people of the Jewish persuasion (some of whom
are non-Orthodox, whereas others are crazy ultra-Orthodox messianic
Jews). A crazy jerk who currently is the President of Iran is doing
some sabre-rattling regarding its nuclear ambitions, threatening
to "wipe Israel off the map", and there are those even in the anti-
Iraq War camp who think that Iran is gonna have to be dealt with,
probably with some sort of military action.

All because of religion. If you've ever heard Frank Zappa's
song "DUMB ALL OVER" (from the album "YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS"), it's
amazing how apropos it is in the current world scene. People,
motivated by their religion, can do some wonderful, beautiful
things... creating art & architecture and music to make the heart
soar. And, others -- also motivated by their religion, which they
insist is the "true" religion -- can willingly murder those they
consider to be "unbelievers" or "infidels", even suicidally murdering
others, to become "martyrs".

It's madness. And it comes with the danger of reading TOO FEW books,
and being indoctrinated into believing that ONE particular book is
THE "Book" that one MUST believe in -- NOT putting their own
particular 'sacred' text to the same test they put the scriptures of
their enemies. And none of 'em are worth their parchment, in my
opinion. They don't deserve to be burned, but they don't deserved to
be blindly believed in, either. Call me a "scientific heretic" if
you'd like; philosophically, I'm on the side of the Ziras and
Corneliuses of the world. Too bad the world is run by the Zaiuses and
Ursuses...

Patrick

Ancient Greece and ancient Rome were distinctly different cultures. The status
of a Greek in ancient Rome was much lower than that of a Roman citizen, and a
Greek physican's status was little better than that of a slave.

Serling chose to make a distinction between Galen and the other apes by giving
him a Greek name, when it would've been easy to look up the name of a Roman
physician, and to use one of Boulle's names for the gorilla attendant. Sure,
Galen is better known, but why choose this name for an ambitious and unethical
ape doctor whose superiors are willing to sacrifice him in order to silence
Zira? It's not just because Galen was a physician; it's because he was a
famous GREEK physician who practiced IN ROME.

Unnamed characters are irrelevant, and nothing in the subtitles is canon.
Subtitlers transcribe whatever they THINK they hear, and they often make
mistakes. Since Quentin is a contemporary name and Quintus isn't, your brain
interpreted it as the one that was more familiar to you. It's very common for
people to mis-hear song lyrics that way, also.

Besides, if they HAD named the young chimp Quentin, it could have signified
that he and his mother were visiting from another area, probably while his
father took care of business at one of the ministry buildings. I've noticed
that people rarely go to local museums after their initial visit. I've been to
the Smithsonian in Washington, DC, a lot more than I've been to NOMA.

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > You know you think you have seen a movie so many time
> > you would have noticed everything about it but I did
> > not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory about him
> > being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
> > perhaps??
> >
> > --- abmac@... wrote:
> >
>
> *** Dr. Galen is the only NAMED male ape in PLANET without the -us
> ending -- unless you also count the chimp kid in the Zaius Museum,
> which one subtitler (at least) has being "Quentin" rather
> than "Quintus" [it always sounded like "Quentin" to me, though others
> hear "Quintus" it seems...]. How many named apes are there? Zira is
> the only named female ape. The males are Zaius, Cornelius, Julius,
> Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Proteus, Marcus and Galen (and Marcus,
> unless I'm not remembering it right, isn't actually named in the
> movie, just on the posters... though I'd have to check the end-
> credits to be sure). We don't really know the names of the "Hunt
> Leader"... of the "President of the Assembly"... of the "Lieutenant"
> who tells Julius to prep Number Four for surgery... of the Ape
> Minister... of the gorilla kid ("Look! It's a man!")... etc etc. For
> all we know, any number of them COULD have a name that also lacks
> the -us ending. Since all the names above are from Greco-Roman times
> with the exceptions of Zira and Zaius (both Boulle inventions), and
> since the name Galen refers to the most famous physician of
> antiquity, it seems obvious why Zira's fellow chimp doctor was
> named 'Galen' -- it was, in a way, lazy! Looking around for
> a 'classical' name for a character who happens to be a physician,
> they go for the obvious one: 'Galen'.
>
> It's a wonder Taylor -- in addition to wondering about how it is that
> these talkin' apes speak the English language -- didn't also wonder
> why it is that so many of the names he hears are from Earth's
> classical antiquity.
>
> Although I like Julius (as a character) better, I wonder why they
> didn't use the names "Zoran" and "Zanam" -- which were pretty cool
> names Boulle invented. I wonder if Boulle's character "Helius" spoke
> in a cartoony-high-pitched voice?
>
> Patrick

The historical Galen was actually named GALENUS
CLAUDIUS, who wasn't Greek but from Pergamus in Asia
Minor -- then a part of the Roman Empire since c. 100
B.C. (he died in 193 A.D.). We know him as "Galen" for
the same reason we know of the city of Troia as
"Troy": it is customary in English to truncate certain
placenames from foreign countries. Where the Romans
would call him Galenus (the -us ending indicating the
subject of a sentence), they would say "equus Galeni"
if they wanted to say "Galen's horse". The root of the
word/name is Galen- and in English it isn't all that
rare to see an old name reduced to its root form.
There was an actor named Cornel Wilde (if I remember
right), whose first name is a similar truncated form
of "Cornelius".

Far from being of a "lower status", Galenus Claudius
was an intimate of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius and had
become famous in his day. Rivals who were jealous of
his extraordinary cures attributed it to magic. He is
known to have written no less than 200 books, most of
which haven't survived.

If Serling were to have chosen a name that was
particularly GREEK, it would've been "Hippocrates" (of
"Hippocratic Oath" fame), to whose works Galen
acknowledged his own debt. The patron deity of
Pergamus was Aesculapius (son of Apollo), the God of
Medicine who was struck dead by Zeus on behalf of
Hades due to the fact that Aesculapius' cures were
'robbing' the Netherworld of a steady influx of
population (i.e. the Deceased). Pergamus seems to have
been THE place for a physician to learn his trade and
excel at it.

Contrary to popular opinion, the "lingua franca" of
the Roman Empire was NOT Latin, but Greek. That's why
the New Testament was written in Greek: Greek was the
"international language" back then, during the heyday
of the Julio-Claudian emperors. Roman poets would
write their poetry in Latin, but the language that
people who traveled or did business in (import/export)
was Koine Greek -- the 'common' language. This is the
prime example of Rome making use of Greek culture,
rather than imposing their own on the world. They
imposed Roman GOVERNMENT on the known world where they
could, but they themselves preferred the Greek
culture.

So, then, the name "Galen" was not a Greek name (the
Liddell & Scott GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON doesn't even
have an entry under the Gamma section with such a
name). His full name being GALENUS CLAUDIUS suggests
that he was a citizen of the Roman Empire -- a Roman,
if not one who was born in Rome. He lived in Rome, of
course, when he was in the court of Aurelius. Hardly
the life of a slave.

We can agree to disagree, but by naming the chimp
doctor "Galen", Serling was doing no more than picking
a name from classical antiquity that had something to
do with the career of a physician, just as somebody in
the future might choose the surname PATTON to depict a
character who is a brilliant military leader. I really
do not see any sense of this being a hint of him being
a foreigner. Serling (and Wilson) were inventing new
characters to superimpose over Boulle's original
story, giving them names that fit in with names like
"Cornelius" and "Helius" in the novel. Not every
"Roman" name has to end in -us, at least as far as the
English version of the Roman name goes. We never refer
to Galen as "Galenus" or Pompey as "Pompeius", even
though the Romans did.

Patrick


--- abmac@... wrote:

> Ancient Greece and ancient Rome were distinctly
> different cultures. The status
> of a Greek in ancient Rome was much lower than that
> of a Roman citizen, and a
> Greek physican's status was little better than that
> of a slave.
>
> Serling chose to make a distinction between Galen
> and the other apes by giving
> him a Greek name, when it would've been easy to look
> up the name of a Roman
> physician, and to use one of Boulle's names for the
> gorilla attendant. Sure,
> Galen is better known, but why choose this name for
> an ambitious and unethical
> ape doctor whose superiors are willing to sacrifice
> him in order to silence
> Zira? It's not just because Galen was a physician;
> it's because he was a
> famous GREEK physician who practiced IN ROME.
>
> Unnamed characters are irrelevant, and nothing in
> the subtitles is canon.
> Subtitlers transcribe whatever they THINK they hear,
> and they often make
> mistakes. Since Quentin is a contemporary name and
> Quintus isn't, your brain
> interpreted it as the one that was more familiar to
> you. It's very common for
> people to mis-hear song lyrics that way, also.
>
> Besides, if they HAD named the young chimp Quentin,
> it could have signified
> that he and his mother were visiting from another
> area, probably while his
> father took care of business at one of the ministry
> buildings. I've noticed
> that people rarely go to local museums after their
> initial visit. I've been to
> the Smithsonian in Washington, DC, a lot more than
> I've been to NOMA.
>
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know you think you have seen a movie so many
> time
> > > you would have noticed everything about it but I
> did
> > > not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory
> about him
> > > being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
> > > perhaps??
> > >
> > > --- abmac@... wrote:
> > >
> >
> > *** Dr. Galen is the only NAMED male ape in PLANET
> without the -us
> > ending -- unless you also count the chimp kid in
> the Zaius Museum,
> > which one subtitler (at least) has being "Quentin"
> rather
> > than "Quintus" [it always sounded like "Quentin"
> to me, though others
> > hear "Quintus" it seems...]. How many named apes
> are there? Zira is
> > the only named female ape. The males are Zaius,
> Cornelius, Julius,
> > Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Proteus, Marcus and
> Galen (and Marcus,
> > unless I'm not remembering it right, isn't
> actually named in the
> > movie, just on the posters... though I'd have to
> check the end-
> > credits to be sure). We don't really know the
> names of the "Hunt
> > Leader"... of the "President of the Assembly"...
> of the "Lieutenant"
> > who tells Julius to prep Number Four for
> surgery... of the Ape
> > Minister... of the gorilla kid ("Look! It's a
> man!")... etc etc. For
> > all we know, any number of them COULD have a name
> that also lacks
> > the -us ending. Since all the names above are from
> Greco-Roman times
> > with the exceptions of Zira and Zaius (both Boulle
> inventions), and
> > since the name Galen refers to the most famous
> physician of
> > antiquity, it seems obvious why Zira's fellow
> chimp doctor was
> > named 'Galen' -- it was, in a way, lazy! Looking
> around for
> > a 'classical' name for a character who happens to
> be a physician,
> > they go for the obvious one: 'Galen'.
> >
> > It's a wonder Taylor -- in addition to wondering
> about how it is that
> > these talkin' apes speak the English language --
> didn't also wonder
> > why it is that so many of the names he hears are
> from Earth's
> > classical antiquity.
> >
> > Although I like Julius (as a character) better, I
> wonder why they
> > didn't use the names "Zoran" and "Zanam" -- which
> were pretty cool
> > names Boulle invented. I wonder if Boulle's
> character "Helius" spoke
> > in a cartoony-high-pitched voice?
> >
> > Patrick
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:

> I thought I'd seen everything, but this guy's stuff is truly original.
> http://stores.ebay.com/planetoftheapesphotos
> Apologies if this has been flagged on the DG before.

-- Thanks MTB!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Yeah, I first heard of ESCAPE in December of 1970 because there was an
> article in the New York Times about it, and I couldn't believe they

were making another one.

-- The first I knew about Escape was when I was an 8 year old sat in
the audience at the movie that was put on by the RAAF every Friday
night for the families stationed in Penang, Malaysia in 1971.

I had never heard of Planet of the Apes before that and was blown away
by the movie and it was one of the few I remembered from over that 3
year period of watching latest release movies every Friday.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> Mine was also already set but i can't view pics till Neil uploads
> them.

-- You may have to adjust some settings in your email program then maybe?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

> Yes Neil, your mail is in "Hail Caesar".
> But to be honest I was really hoping to see some of your art in there!

-- I'm just chuffed that I have a letter in a POTA comic! I've never
had a letter published in any comic before.

Neil

.htmlAnyone else not getting all the posts?

I have been receiving all the posts from Neil (both his own and the ones to which he replied) but I am not receiving the others (such as from Rory or Dario, etc...)

Also, where is Whitty hiding out all of a sudden?<.html

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:28 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Anyone else not getting all the posts?

Anyone else not getting all the posts?

I have been receiving all the posts from Neil (both his own and the ones to which he replied) but I am not receiving the others (such as from Rory or Dario, etc...)

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:28 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Anyone else not getting all the posts?

Also, where is Whitty hiding out all of a sudden?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> I seem to be having the same problem Mike. I missed out on the most
> recent ones from Rory, Dario, Patrick and the rest. I have been

missing out on various posts for the last couple of days but not
always ones from the same people.

-- And I just received the message I sent after this one but didn't /
haven't received this one!

Neil

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Hey Neil,

Could you please send to me direct and/or to upload to the group?

I did not get this and cannot view it on the group site.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Neil
>

Ummm.....WHERE?!?!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the first panel from the Mad parody which mentions Apes:
>
>
>
> Neil
>

These are GREAT Mark - is this some of the stuff that Joe Russo has
Rory?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
>
> I thought I'd seen everything, but this guy's stuff is truly
original.
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/planetoftheapesphotos
>
> Apologies if this has been flagged on the DG before.
>
> Mark T-B.
>

What one about Tom Baker?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/4/06 3:35:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
TZer0@...
> writes:
>
>
> > I love that ad. I remember being away for the summer
> > in Montana at camp. And somehow got a movie section
> > of the paper, in a care package or something, and going
> > ape that there was going to be a new POTA movie.
> >
>
> Yeah, I first heard of ESCAPE in December of 1970 because there
was an
> article in the New York Times about it, and I couldn't believe
they were making
> another one. I couldn't imagine it. Somehow I figured someone
had to blast off
> from the planet before it exploded, and I remember telling a lie
to my cousin
> that I saw a picture from the new movie in a magazine that showed
a spaceship
> erected in the center of Ape City. I think he believed me!
>
> Now it's just Whitty that believes my made up stories -- like the
one about
> Tom Baker! Ha! Ha!
>
> -- Rory
>
> -- Rory
>

Like Bigus Dickus!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Agree. Even the fact that 'us' is a word with distinct meaning can
> come into play. Something like clansmanship. Either you are part
> of 'us' or you are not.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests
>
> > -- Anthony, this is a very interesting and new theory and
perhaps
> > one to
> > follow up in a future story maybe?
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
> > > On Behalf Of abmac@...
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 5:09 PM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests
> >
> > > Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name doesn't
have
> the
> > > Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate that
> > > he's a "foreigner"
> > > from another area who thinks he's being discriminated against
> > > because of his
> > > species, when his superiors are really prejudiced against him
> > > because of his
> > > place of origin.
> >
> >
> >
>

Oh boy am I goiing to steal some of these names!

Garvon is now GarvUS and Gideon is GideUS.

If I was American it would be my patriotic duty!

MichelUS

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > You know you think you have seen a movie so many time
> > you would have noticed everything about it but I did
> > not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory about him
> > being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
> > perhaps??
> >
> > --- abmac@ wrote:
> >
>
> *** Dr. Galen is the only NAMED male ape in PLANET without the -us
> ending -- unless you also count the chimp kid in the Zaius Museum,
> which one subtitler (at least) has being "Quentin" rather
> than "Quintus" [it always sounded like "Quentin" to me, though

others

> hear "Quintus" it seems...]. How many named apes are there? Zira

is

> the only named female ape. The males are Zaius, Cornelius, Julius,
> Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Proteus, Marcus and Galen (and Marcus,
> unless I'm not remembering it right, isn't actually named in the
> movie, just on the posters... though I'd have to check the end-
> credits to be sure). We don't really know the names of the "Hunt
> Leader"... of the "President of the Assembly"... of

the "Lieutenant"

> who tells Julius to prep Number Four for surgery... of the Ape
> Minister... of the gorilla kid ("Look! It's a man!")... etc etc.

For

> all we know, any number of them COULD have a name that also lacks
> the -us ending. Since all the names above are from Greco-Roman

times

> with the exceptions of Zira and Zaius (both Boulle inventions),

and

> since the name Galen refers to the most famous physician of
> antiquity, it seems obvious why Zira's fellow chimp doctor was
> named 'Galen' -- it was, in a way, lazy! Looking around for
> a 'classical' name for a character who happens to be a physician,
> they go for the obvious one: 'Galen'.
>
> It's a wonder Taylor -- in addition to wondering about how it is

that

> these talkin' apes speak the English language -- didn't also

wonder

> why it is that so many of the names he hears are from Earth's
> classical antiquity.
>
> Although I like Julius (as a character) better, I wonder why they
> didn't use the names "Zoran" and "Zanam" -- which were pretty cool
> names Boulle invented. I wonder if Boulle's character "Helius"

spoke

> in a cartoony-high-pitched voice?
>
> Patrick
>

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None of this stuff about Galen has any connection to Planet of the
Apes. OK, he was from Turkey, not Greece. That doesn't matter. My
point was that most people know that he was a foreigner in Rome.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Tilton
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> The historical Galen was actually named GALENUS
> CLAUDIUS, who wasn't Greek but from Pergamus in Asia
> Minor -- then a part of the Roman Empire since c. 100
> B.C. (he died in 193 A.D.). We know him as "Galen" for
> the same reason we know of the city of Troia as
> "Troy": it is customary in English to truncate certain
> placenames from foreign countries. Where the Romans
> would call him Galenus (the -us ending indicating the
> subject of a sentence), they would say "equus Galeni"
> if they wanted to say "Galen's horse". The root of the
> word/name is Galen- and in English it isn't all that
> rare to see an old name reduced to its root form.
> There was an actor named Cornel Wilde (if I remember
> right), whose first name is a similar truncated form
> of "Cornelius".
>
> Far from being of a "lower status", Galenus Claudius
> was an intimate of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius and had
> become famous in his day. Rivals who were jealous of
> his extraordinary cures attributed it to magic. He is
> known to have written no less than 200 books, most of
> which haven't survived.
>
> If Serling were to have chosen a name that was
> particularly GREEK, it would've been "Hippocrates" (of
> "Hippocratic Oath" fame), to whose works Galen
> acknowledged his own debt. The patron deity of
> Pergamus was Aesculapius (son of Apollo), the God of
> Medicine who was struck dead by Zeus on behalf of
> Hades due to the fact that Aesculapius' cures were
> 'robbing' the Netherworld of a steady influx of
> population (i.e. the Deceased). Pergamus seems to have
> been THE place for a physician to learn his trade and
> excel at it.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the "lingua franca" of
> the Roman Empire was NOT Latin, but Greek. That's why
> the New Testament was written in Greek: Greek was the
> "international language" back then, during the heyday
> of the Julio-Claudian emperors. Roman poets would
> write their poetry in Latin, but the language that
> people who traveled or did business in (import/export)
> was Koine Greek -- the 'common' language. This is the
> prime example of Rome making use of Greek culture,
> rather than imposing their own on the world. They
> imposed Roman GOVERNMENT on the known world where they
> could, but they themselves preferred the Greek
> culture.
>
> So, then, the name "Galen" was not a Greek name (the
> Liddell & Scott GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON doesn't even
> have an entry under the Gamma section with such a
> name). His full name being GALENUS CLAUDIUS suggests
> that he was a citizen of the Roman Empire -- a Roman,
> if not one who was born in Rome. He lived in Rome, of
> course, when he was in the court of Aurelius. Hardly
> the life of a slave.
>
> We can agree to disagree, but by naming the chimp
> doctor "Galen", Serling was doing no more than picking
> a name from classical antiquity that had something to
> do with the career of a physician, just as somebody in
> the future might choose the surname PATTON to depict a
> character who is a brilliant military leader. I really
> do not see any sense of this being a hint of him being
> a foreigner. Serling (and Wilson) were inventing new
> characters to superimpose over Boulle's original
> story, giving them names that fit in with names like
> "Cornelius" and "Helius" in the novel. Not every
> "Roman" name has to end in -us, at least as far as the
> English version of the Roman name goes. We never refer
> to Galen as "Galenus" or Pompey as "Pompeius", even
> though the Romans did.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- abmac@... wrote:
>
> > Ancient Greece and ancient Rome were distinctly
> > different cultures. The status
> > of a Greek in ancient Rome was much lower than that
> > of a Roman citizen, and a
> > Greek physican's status was little better than that
> > of a slave.
> >
> > Serling chose to make a distinction between Galen
> > and the other apes by giving
> > him a Greek name, when it would've been easy to look
> > up the name of a Roman
> > physician, and to use one of Boulle's names for the
> > gorilla attendant. Sure,
> > Galen is better known, but why choose this name for
> > an ambitious and unethical
> > ape doctor whose superiors are willing to sacrifice
> > him in order to silence
> > Zira? It's not just because Galen was a physician;
> > it's because he was a
> > famous GREEK physician who practiced IN ROME.
> >
> > Unnamed characters are irrelevant, and nothing in
> > the subtitles is canon.
> > Subtitlers transcribe whatever they THINK they hear,
> > and they often make
> > mistakes. Since Quentin is a contemporary name and
> > Quintus isn't, your brain
> > interpreted it as the one that was more familiar to
> > you. It's very common for
> > people to mis-hear song lyrics that way, also.
> >
> > Besides, if they HAD named the young chimp Quentin,
> > it could have signified
> > that he and his mother were visiting from another
> > area, probably while his
> > father took care of business at one of the ministry
> > buildings. I've noticed
> > that people rarely go to local museums after their
> > initial visit. I've been to
> > the Smithsonian in Washington, DC, a lot more than
> > I've been to NOMA.
> >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> > <apefan23@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know you think you have seen a movie so many
> > time
> > > > you would have noticed everything about it but I
> > did
> > > > not realize this until JUST NOW! Nice theory
> > about him
> > > > being from somewhere else...an illegal immigrant
> > > > perhaps??
> > > >
> > > > --- abmac@ wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > *** Dr. Galen is the only NAMED male ape in PLANET
> > without the -us
> > > ending -- unless you also count the chimp kid in
> > the Zaius Museum,
> > > which one subtitler (at least) has being "Quentin"
> > rather
> > > than "Quintus" [it always sounded like "Quentin"
> > to me, though others
> > > hear "Quintus" it seems...]. How many named apes
> > are there? Zira is
> > > the only named female ape. The males are Zaius,
> > Cornelius, Julius,
> > > Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Proteus, Marcus and
> > Galen (and Marcus,
> > > unless I'm not remembering it right, isn't
> > actually named in the
> > > movie, just on the posters... though I'd have to
> > check the end-
> > > credits to be sure). We don't really know the
> > names of the "Hunt
> > > Leader"... of the "President of the Assembly"...
> > of the "Lieutenant"
> > > who tells Julius to prep Number Four for
> > surgery... of the Ape
> > > Minister... of the gorilla kid ("Look! It's a
> > man!")... etc etc. For
> > > all we know, any number of them COULD have a name
> > that also lacks
> > > the -us ending. Since all the names above are from
> > Greco-Roman times
> > > with the exceptions of Zira and Zaius (both Boulle
> > inventions), and
> > > since the name Galen refers to the most famous
> > physician of
> > > antiquity, it seems obvious why Zira's fellow
> > chimp doctor was
> > > named 'Galen' -- it was, in a way, lazy! Looking
> > around for
> > > a 'classical' name for a character who happens to
> > be a physician,
> > > they go for the obvious one: 'Galen'.
> > >
> > > It's a wonder Taylor -- in addition to wondering
> > about how it is that
> > > these talkin' apes speak the English language --
> > didn't also wonder
> > > why it is that so many of the names he hears are
> > from Earth's
> > > classical antiquity.
> > >
> > > Although I like Julius (as a character) better, I
> > wonder why they
> > > didn't use the names "Zoran" and "Zanam" -- which
> > were pretty cool
> > > names Boulle invented. I wonder if Boulle's
> > character "Helius" spoke
> > > in a cartoony-high-pitched voice?
> > >
> > > Patrick
> >
>
>
>

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In a message dated 5/5/2006 8:12:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

I had never heard of Planet of the Apes before

 

So how long was it before you saw the first two?

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/5/2006 10:17:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

How many named apes are there? Zira
is
> the only named female ape.

 

True, from the early films.

However Conquest carried on the

tradition of female names ending in

A.  Zira, Lisa, Zelda.  All of the

television names did as well.  Kira,

Fauna, Wanda, Jilla, Carsia, etc . . .

If there's one that didn't I can't

think of it.  Anyone?  Bueller?

 

 

 

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How's that Before POTA comic coming?

 

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In a message dated 5/5/2006 8:12:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

I had never heard of Planet of the Apes before

 

So how long was it before you saw the first two?

 

 

 

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How's that Before POTA comic coming?

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Anyone here a fan?
>
> While I liked the resurrected Battlestar Galactica, I think by far

the

> best TV Show to have been resurrected and modified is the new Dr

Who.

>
> It has stayed true to the quirkiness of the original series, but

it is

> more "now".
>
> The tributes are there (Daleks and the old favourite villains).
>
> And in particular the last aired episode "School Reunion" brought

back 2

> of my favourite characters and also addresses the whole "Doctor's
> Companion" thing that I took for granted to be platonic buddies in

the

> past.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> Yeah great show. I was never a fan of the old series, stopped

watching not long after Tom Baker arrived. Eccleston and Tennent
have both put in fine performances and Billie Piper is almost the
heart of the show. Germane Greer reviewed the first series on BBC2
and could n't stop stating how great Piper was!! Got to dash I've
got about 2 minutes before this weeks starts.
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In a message dated 5/6/2006 3:19:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Another 3 or 4 years. The next one I saw was Planet when it was doing the cinema rounds on a double bill with Escape

 

I guess that kind of spoiled the ending for you.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/6/2006 3:19:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Slowly at the moment unfortunately like everything else I am supposed to be working on.

 

Perhaps doing it in color was a tad ambitious.

 

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Attachments :

I first saw planet when I was in Junior high school back in 71. I also
scanned this photo for the group.

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-- Another 3 or 4 years. The next one I saw was Planet when it was
doing the cinema rounds on a double bill with Escape


I guess that kind of spoiled the ending for you.




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However Conquest carried on the
tradition of female names ending in
A.  Zira, Lisa, Zelda.  All of the
television names did as well.  Kira,
Fauna, Wanda, Jillia, Carsia, etc . . .
If there's one that didn't I can't
think of it.  Anyone?  Bueller?

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What's this makeup pic from?

 

 

 

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Short for AnnA and ZantesA! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/6/06 1:41:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
TZer0@...
> writes:
>
>
> > However Conquest carried on the
> > tradition of female names ending in
> > A. Zira, Lisa, Zelda. All of the
> > television names did as well. Kira,
> > Fauna, Wanda, Jillia, Carsia, etc . . .
> > If there's one that didn't I can't
> > think of it. Anyone? Bueller?
> >
>
> Galen's mother is named Ann(e), Polar's wife is named Zantes...
>

When I won the picture from Ebay, the ad said it was Kim Hunter from
Planet of the Apes.

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In a message dated 5/7/2006 12:36:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

When I won the picture from Ebay, the ad said it was Kim Hunter from

 

It's not Escape.

Wrong makeup artist.

And the guy form Escape

is the only one she mentions

in her book.  I wonder who she

got.  It's hard to tell from that angle.

Emile LaVigne, William Tuttle

without a mustache, Ben Nye Sr. 

It could be any one of them with

only glasses to go by.  The Making

A Monster book has more pictures of

the monsters than it does the makeup artists.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "abmac40" <abmac@...> wrote:

>
> None of this stuff about Galen has any connection to Planet of the
> Apes. OK, he was from Turkey, not Greece. That doesn't matter. My
> point was that most people know that he was a foreigner in Rome.

*** And my point was/is that Galenus Claudius may not have been born
in Rome (the capitol of the Roman Empire), but THAT doesn't matter,
since he was somebody with Roman citizenship. If Saul of Tarsus (a
city in Cilicia, in southeast Asia Minor) could go from being a rabid
persecutor of Christians on behalf of Judaism... then undergo a
conversion experience on the way to Damascus and become a
Christian... then proceed to become "the apostle to the Gentiles" and
end the book of ACTS OF THE APOSTLES as a prisoner of the Jews,
delivered by them to the Romans for execution and -- the Romans
refusing to do so -- having to resort to appealing to Caesar when the
Jews protest this, it should be recognized that Roman citizenship
pertained to ALL non-slaves throughout the empire, from their
territories in Britannia in the West to Judaea in the East and all
points in-between. Paul was able to appeal to Caesar because he had
rights under Roman Law as a citizen of the Roman Empire.

Rome was the capitol city. Most of the Roman Empire's citizens dwelt
throughout the countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea (called "the
Roman lake"). Galen may not have been born in Rome, but that doesn't
make him a foreigner. If anything, it's like a person from Idaho
going to Washington D.C. to serve as the Surgeon General in the
Federal Government. Being from Idaho doesn't make such a person
a 'foreigner'. Asia Minor was as much a part of the Roman Empire as
Italy was. Hell, later on, after the empire was bifurcated so that
they had TWO capitol cities -- Rome in the East and Byzantium (a.k.a.
Constantinople a.k.a. Istanbul) in the West -- Asia Minor was where
one of those capitol cities was situated, just north of Troy where
Roman legends claimed their ancestors came from (i.e. Aeneas, son of
Priam, taking his son Ascanius/Iulus to Latium after the fall of
Troy, Iulus being the lineal ancestor of Iulius Caesar). And Galen's
home city of Pergamus was a stone's throw from both Troy and
Byzantium, in northeast Turkey/Asia Minor.

Galen -- Galenus Claudius -- was NOT a foreigner. To be a foreigner,
he would have to have been from a country not dominated by Rome. For
example, from sub-saharan Africa or from one of the 'barbaric'
Germanic tribes north of Italy, or from China or India, etc. Galen
was a Roman in the sense that "Rome" signified the Empire and NOT
just the capitol city. In the U.S.A., we don't have a capitol city
named "America" so that one has to literally live IN that city in
order to be an 'American'. A New Yorker is as much an American as a
citizen living in Washington D.C. is. The word(s) "New Yorker" can
really only mean somebody who lives in New York City, but the
word "Roman" means much more than somebody who lived in the city of
Rome; when Rome was the capitol city of an Empire, to be "Roman"
meant to be a citizen of that Roman Empire, regardless of whether or
not you ever were born in Rome, traveled to Rome or lived in Rome.

You say that nothing of this has anything to do with PLANET OF THE
APES, but it has everything to do with your speculations regarding
Dr. Galen being some kind of 'foreigner' from somewhere other than
Ape City. Setting aside the sequels for the moment, it still seems
obvious to me that the inhabited territory of Apedom -- even in just
the first film -- is severely limited. Cornelius' map shows two
territories, the livable areas on the left side of the dashed line
and the Forbidden Zone on the right side. The ocean/sea borders both
territories on the bottom of the map. Maybe the Apes have more
territories "off the map" -- i.e. off the left side of the map, but
Zaius makes rather pointed comments about how "Man is a nuisance"
who "eats up his food supplies in the forest and then migrates to our
green belts and ravages our crops". The subsequent lack of arable
land has led to a food crisis: "It's a question of simian survival"
we are told. In all probability, there are deserts on ALL sides of
the Ape-populated region, so that Zaius can only hope that there are
other jungles beyond the Forbidden Zone, not just to explain the
appearance of Taylor but to possibly serve the apes for their
agricultural needs.

Ergo, the population of the simian world is rather limited, and IN
that all-too-small area they have too big a population to sustain,
given the fact that their crops are being ravaged by locust-like
humans. In all probability, there ISN'T any 'foreign' land from which
a 'foreigner' could come to Ape City.

That's my opinion, at any rate. It's open to debate, though, if
anybody else wants to offer up any other evidence. I've deliberately
left out evidence from the sequels (i.e. from BENEATH,
predominantly), though if I had culled details from BENEATH, I think
it would be effectively proved that Apedom compromises a rather small
territory -- since Ursus feels that the ONLY way to ward off
starvation is to invade the Forbidden Zone, establishing new,
improved feeding grounds there (since the inhabitants known to live
there MUST eat, thus they have food supplies despite the fact that
the Lawgiver had pronounced that whole area deadly). Ursus is
compelled "to expand the boundaries of [the Apes'] ineluctable power"
into the Forbidden Zone rather than in the OTHER direction on the
map, which suggests that there is a desert wasteland across their
OTHER border. Their region is hemmed in by the desert and the sea.
There is no known 'foreign' land where they can hope to grow food to
replace the ravaged crops -- they have to resort to invading the
inhabited Forbidden Zone, to steal THEIR land, to grow crops.

But, Abmac, if you want to believe that Dr. Galen -- lacking the -us
ending to his name -- is a foreigner living in Ape City, go right
ahead. With all due respect, I just don't think that any of the
evidence supports this notion.

Patrick

Instead of Idaho, substitute Puerto Rico. A Puerto Rican in Washington, DC,
will ALWAYS be a foreigner. Ignore it if you like but enough with the
irrelevant crap. It sounds to me like you're just jealous.

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "abmac40" <abmac@...> wrote:
> >
> > None of this stuff about Galen has any connection to Planet of the
> > Apes. OK, he was from Turkey, not Greece. That doesn't matter. My
> > point was that most people know that he was a foreigner in Rome.
>
> *** And my point was/is that Galenus Claudius may not have been born
> in Rome (the capitol of the Roman Empire), but THAT doesn't matter,
> since he was somebody with Roman citizenship. If Saul of Tarsus (a
> city in Cilicia, in southeast Asia Minor) could go from being a rabid
> persecutor of Christians on behalf of Judaism... then undergo a
> conversion experience on the way to Damascus and become a
> Christian... then proceed to become "the apostle to the Gentiles" and
> end the book of ACTS OF THE APOSTLES as a prisoner of the Jews,
> delivered by them to the Romans for execution and -- the Romans
> refusing to do so -- having to resort to appealing to Caesar when the
> Jews protest this, it should be recognized that Roman citizenship
> pertained to ALL non-slaves throughout the empire, from their
> territories in Britannia in the West to Judaea in the East and all
> points in-between. Paul was able to appeal to Caesar because he had
> rights under Roman Law as a citizen of the Roman Empire.
>
> Rome was the capitol city. Most of the Roman Empire's citizens dwelt
> throughout the countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea (called "the
> Roman lake"). Galen may not have been born in Rome, but that doesn't
> make him a foreigner. If anything, it's like a person from Idaho
> going to Washington D.C. to serve as the Surgeon General in the
> Federal Government. Being from Idaho doesn't make such a person
> a 'foreigner'. Asia Minor was as much a part of the Roman Empire as
> Italy was. Hell, later on, after the empire was bifurcated so that
> they had TWO capitol cities -- Rome in the East and Byzantium (a.k.a.
> Constantinople a.k.a. Istanbul) in the West -- Asia Minor was where
> one of those capitol cities was situated, just north of Troy where
> Roman legends claimed their ancestors came from (i.e. Aeneas, son of
> Priam, taking his son Ascanius/Iulus to Latium after the fall of
> Troy, Iulus being the lineal ancestor of Iulius Caesar). And Galen's
> home city of Pergamus was a stone's throw from both Troy and
> Byzantium, in northeast Turkey/Asia Minor.
>
> Galen -- Galenus Claudius -- was NOT a foreigner. To be a foreigner,
> he would have to have been from a country not dominated by Rome. For
> example, from sub-saharan Africa or from one of the 'barbaric'
> Germanic tribes north of Italy, or from China or India, etc. Galen
> was a Roman in the sense that "Rome" signified the Empire and NOT
> just the capitol city. In the U.S.A., we don't have a capitol city
> named "America" so that one has to literally live IN that city in
> order to be an 'American'. A New Yorker is as much an American as a
> citizen living in Washington D.C. is. The word(s) "New Yorker" can
> really only mean somebody who lives in New York City, but the
> word "Roman" means much more than somebody who lived in the city of
> Rome; when Rome was the capitol city of an Empire, to be "Roman"
> meant to be a citizen of that Roman Empire, regardless of whether or
> not you ever were born in Rome, traveled to Rome or lived in Rome.
>
> You say that nothing of this has anything to do with PLANET OF THE
> APES, but it has everything to do with your speculations regarding
> Dr. Galen being some kind of 'foreigner' from somewhere other than
> Ape City. Setting aside the sequels for the moment, it still seems
> obvious to me that the inhabited territory of Apedom -- even in just
> the first film -- is severely limited. Cornelius' map shows two
> territories, the livable areas on the left side of the dashed line
> and the Forbidden Zone on the right side. The ocean/sea borders both
> territories on the bottom of the map. Maybe the Apes have more
> territories "off the map" -- i.e. off the left side of the map, but
> Zaius makes rather pointed comments about how "Man is a nuisance"
> who "eats up his food supplies in the forest and then migrates to our
> green belts and ravages our crops". The subsequent lack of arable
> land has led to a food crisis: "It's a question of simian survival"
> we are told. In all probability, there are deserts on ALL sides of
> the Ape-populated region, so that Zaius can only hope that there are
> other jungles beyond the Forbidden Zone, not just to explain the
> appearance of Taylor but to possibly serve the apes for their
> agricultural needs.
>
> Ergo, the population of the simian world is rather limited, and IN
> that all-too-small area they have too big a population to sustain,
> given the fact that their crops are being ravaged by locust-like
> humans. In all probability, there ISN'T any 'foreign' land from which
> a 'foreigner' could come to Ape City.
>
> That's my opinion, at any rate. It's open to debate, though, if
> anybody else wants to offer up any other evidence. I've deliberately
> left out evidence from the sequels (i.e. from BENEATH,
> predominantly), though if I had culled details from BENEATH, I think
> it would be effectively proved that Apedom compromises a rather small
> territory -- since Ursus feels that the ONLY way to ward off
> starvation is to invade the Forbidden Zone, establishing new,
> improved feeding grounds there (since the inhabitants known to live
> there MUST eat, thus they have food supplies despite the fact that
> the Lawgiver had pronounced that whole area deadly). Ursus is
> compelled "to expand the boundaries of [the Apes'] ineluctable power"
> into the Forbidden Zone rather than in the OTHER direction on the
> map, which suggests that there is a desert wasteland across their
> OTHER border. Their region is hemmed in by the desert and the sea.
> There is no known 'foreign' land where they can hope to grow food to
> replace the ravaged crops -- they have to resort to invading the
> inhabited Forbidden Zone, to steal THEIR land, to grow crops.
>
> But, Abmac, if you want to believe that Dr. Galen -- lacking the -us
> ending to his name -- is a foreigner living in Ape City, go right
> ahead. With all due respect, I just don't think that any of the
> evidence supports this notion.
>
> Patrick

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IFC has a giant ape flick on today called The Mighty Peking Man.

Anyone seen it?  It even has a chick in a Nova costume.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/7/2006 1:25:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

> Galen -- Galenus Claudius -- was NOT a foreigner.

 

Yes, but as cool as his name is

it's still not as cool as Jay Robinson

saying, "Trrribune Gallio!"

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Thats funny, but as I thought about it, another more serious idea came
to mind?
Why would the writers use 'us' for all the males?
Perhaps it WAS a reference to roman gladiators. (We'll not bigus
dickus, but spartacus, and his ilk.) That would also explain the lead
up to the character of Caesar himself.

Dario

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From: mike_oz2005 <whitty@...>
Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 11:01 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Men'r'us

> Like Bigus Dickus!
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Agree. Even the fact that 'us' is a word with distinct meaning
> can
> > come into play. Something like clansmanship. Either you are part
> > of 'us' or you are not.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Neil T Foster <ntfoster@...>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:52 pm
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests
> >
> > > -- Anthony, this is a very interesting and new theory and
> perhaps
> > > one to
> > > follow up in a future story maybe?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of abmac@...
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2006 5:09 PM
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> > > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Costume tests
> > >
> > > > Dr. Galen is the only male ape in Planet whose name doesn't
> have
> > the
> > > > Roman "us" ending. Perhaps this was done to indicate that
> > > > he's a "foreigner"
> > > > from another area who thinks he's being discriminated against
> > > > because of his
> > > > species, when his superiors are really prejudiced against him
> > > > because of his
> > > > place of origin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

> Thats funny, but as I thought about it, another more serious idea came
> to mind?
> Why would the writers use 'us' for all the males?

-- It's also interesting that by the time they got to Escape and then
with the next 2 movies they dropped the idea of ending male names with
'us' such as Milo, Aldo, Virgil etc.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

> I guess that kind of spoiled the ending for you.

-- I suppose it should have but it really didn't bother me. I really
had no idea what Planet was like and the TV series had just started
which rekindled my interest in the apes I had first seen in Escape
those few years earlier.

I did at first think that Escape was connected to the TV series and
remember commenting to my Mum when I first saw Galen something like
'oh, I know what happens to him in the end, he and some other chimps
go back in time in the space ship'!

But then shortly after I saw Planet on the big screen and from the
start realised it was something totally different to the TV show and
things fell into place and I was completely blown away. I just wish
they had shown it with Beneath and not Escape.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

> IFC has a giant ape flick on today called The Mighty Peking Man.
> Anyone seen it? It even has a chick in a Nova costume.

-- Nope, haven't seen it. Was it any good?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

> Perhaps doing it in color was a tad ambitious.

-- No its not the doing it in colour that is the reason. I didn't get
anything drawn last week due to illness and 'real life' crap.

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 5/8/06 7:10:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
> IFC has a giant ape flick on today called The Mighty Peking Man.
> Anyone seen it?  It even has a chick in a Nova costume.

-- Nope, haven't seen it. Was it any good?

Neil

IT SUCKED!

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I also saw Planet and Escape this way while I was in Middlesbrough,
England. My brother and I went in when the theatre opened and we
stayed until closing time. The movies alternated, and I think we saw
each of them four times. A few days later, I went back alone and did
it again.

Anthony

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Another 3 or 4 years. The next one I saw was Planet when it was
doing
> the cinema rounds on a double bill with Escape just as the TV show
was
> being shown in England. Then later the same year (I think) I saw
Beneath
> on TV.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of TZer0@...
> Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 4:15 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Escape this DVD cover NOT!
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2006 8:12:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> I had never heard of Planet of the Apes before
>
>
> So how long was it before you saw the first two?

Aldo, Virgil, Mandemus, and the other apes in Battle were named by
their human owners.

Neil, do you think Milo and Garvon might've been from somewhere else?

Anthony

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@> wrote:
> > Thats funny, but as I thought about it, another more serious idea
came
> > to mind?
> > Why would the writers use 'us' for all the males?
>
> -- It's also interesting that by the time they got to Escape and then
> with the next 2 movies they dropped the idea of ending male names
with
> 'us' such as Milo, Aldo, Virgil etc.
>
> Neil
>

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "abmac40" <abmac@...> wrote:

> Neil, do you think Milo and Garvon might've been from somewhere else?

-- Yes, I can certainly live with that theory.

Neil