Cool. I like a theory that doesn't conflict with established stories,
even the ones that aren't canon.

Anthony

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "abmac40" <abmac@> wrote:
> > Neil, do you think Milo and Garvon might've been from somewhere
else?
>
> -- Yes, I can certainly live with that theory.
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

>
> Thats funny, but as I thought about it, another more serious idea

came to mind?

> Why would the writers use 'us' for all the males? Perhaps it WAS a

reference to roman gladiators. (We'll not bigus dickus, but
spartacus, and his ilk.) That would also explain the lead up to the
character of Caesar himself.

>
> Dario

*** For what it's worth, the -us ending only pertains to the
NOMINATIVE case. In Latin (as in Greek) there are more than one ways
of spelling a noun, depending on whether the word in question is the
Subject of a sentence, the Direct Object, the Indirect Object, or
part of some other type of phrase.

I mentioned in an earlier post that if somebody wanted to
say "Galen's horse" in Latin, they'd say "equus Galeni" rather than
have the name as "Galenus". The word "equus" means HORSE -- i.e. in
the Nominative Case, used as the Subject of a sentence; and the
word "Galeni" modifies this word in the possessive (Genitive) case.

Each noun-word in Latin has a stem onto which a case-ending suffix is
attached, so that "Galen-" is the stem (in this instance) to which
the "-i" ending (if Genitive) or "-us" ending (if Nominative) is
tacked on. Unlike the Latin or Greek way, the English language
dispensed with case endings about 500 years ago, when Old English had
given way to Middle English. The reason that most Roman names use
the "-us" ending is because we tend to use those names in their
Nominative case-form; despite this, though, a fair number of names
are 'Englished' by retaining ONLY the stem and dropping the case-
ending suffix entirely, as is the case with the names Galen, Troy,
etc.

It's fairly evident that Serling & Wilson set the standard for the
apes' names by naming all the non-Boulle ape characters with Roman
names: Lucius, Julius, Maximus, Honorius, Marcus, etc. They were
following Boulle's lead, presumably, due to the Boulle having named
Zira's fiancee as "Cornelius" -- an existing Roman name. In the
novel, there's a character named Helius, which can be thought of as
the word Helium (the 2nd element in the Periodical Table) with a
masculine "-us" ending replacing the neutral "-um" ending. I've yet
to find a single example, though, of any Roman use of the
names "Zaius" or "Zira", though each has the appropriate Latin
endings ("Zaius" having the "-us" masculine ending, and "Zira" having
the feminine "-a" ending).

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , abmac@... wrote:

>
> Instead of Idaho, substitute Puerto Rico. A Puerto Rican in

Washington, DC, will ALWAYS be a foreigner. Ignore it if you like but
enough with the irrelevant crap. It sounds to me like you're just
jealous.

*** Jealous of what? Your ignorance? You insist that the famous
physician of Roman antiquity -- Galen -- was a "foreigner" when he
most certainly wasn't. He was a citizen of the Roman Empire.
Pergamus, in Asia Minor, was as much a part of the Roman Empire as
Idaho is a part of the United States: your Puerto Rico analogy is
bogus, a non sequitor.

You assumed Galen was a foreigner because you only knew his name
as "Galen" and assumed that -- lacking the "-us" ending -- it meant
he had to be a non-Roman... but you assumed wrongly, as even a
cursory glance at a Classical Dictionary would've informed you. I dug
up the information I posted earlier from "LEMPRIERE'S CLASSICAL
DICTIONARY" -- a reprint of a revised 1850 edition which was
originally published in 1788. It wouldn't surprise me if Serling had
used either this or a very similar book when he was looking up Latin-
sounding names to give to the original (non-Boulle) characters of the
movie: Lucius, Honorius, Maximus, Julius, etc etc.

You'd written (in Message #39120) that: "... a Greek physician's
status was little better than that of a slave". Putting aside your
error of Galen being a Greek, let's read what the above-mentioned
Classical Dictionary has to say about him:

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In a message dated 5/8/2006 6:10:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Nope, haven't seen it. Was it any good?

 

Well, I suppose that depends on what you consider good.

As good as any Chinese Monster Movie trying to be a

Japanese Monster Movie could be, I guess.

Worth catching if it's on, but not really

worth trying to find a DVD of it.  But

if you're really into that sort of thing,

here . . . I found a DVD of it . . .

 

 

Amazon.com: Mighty Peking Man (1980)

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/8/2006 6:13:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

No its not the doing it in colour

 

You gotta love Brit-spelling,

colour.  I just have to say it

like fishing lure. COLOOOUR...

I also like the way they spell

Center, Centre.  I like to

pronounce it that way too.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/8/2006 7:27:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

Neil, do you think Milo and Garvon might've been from somewhere else?

 

I liked Garvus better.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/8/2006 6:43:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

IT SUCKED!

-- Rory

 

If you hated that you'd probably really hate Latitude Zero,

even though it's the Citizen Cane of Japanese Monster Movies.

 

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Zaius is very like Gaius. A good Latin name, since it was good enough for Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.  I suppose Boulle could have just chucked a Z on the front to make it more alien sounding.  Zira, as a name had fallen out of use before the movie.  There's probably as many people who associate it with The Lion King as POTA these days. Then again aside from Don Cornelius, you won't find many Cornelius's since Cornelius Vanderbilt.  There was a Turkish blend cigarette for Women around the turn of the century called Zira.  Zira is Turkish for, "because", by the way, as well as Swahili for "Hate".  Though despite it's spelling, it could be derived from the biblical name, Zerah, which means Dawn, which is actually a male name.  Though there are the female names Zera, meaning seeds, and Zira meaning an arena.  A Punk Rock couple did name their baby Zira.  No doubt she will be teased mercilessly in school for it.  But most of the Ziras these days are all pets.

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/9/2006 2:17:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I've yet to find a single example, though, of any Roman use of the
names "Zaius" or "Zira", though each has the appropriate Latin
endings ("Zaius" having the "-us" masculine ending, and "Zira" having
the feminine "-a" ending).

Patrick

 

 

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These are all great points Patrick,

though I doubt you needed to mention

all of them to win the argument, unless

you were trying to bore your opponent

into submission.  Though I'm glad we

have someone like you to write all

these ponderous posts, in case I

ever get bored.  I'll never be short of

reading material, that's for sure.

 

 

"Brevity Is The Soul Of Wit"

~~~William Shakespeare~~~~

 

 

 

 

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If you hated that you'd probably really hate Latitude Zero,
even though it's the Citizen Cane of Japanese Monster Movies.

Yeah, I don't think I'd like LATITUDE ZERO, but I do like MONSTER ZERO, and KK vs GODZILLA, and KK ESCAPES.

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Cleaning out the emails and look what I found!

Hey LordT!

Did you create a POTADGDG?

Don't worry - I think it's kinda funny!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:44 PM
To: whitty@...; Michael.Whitty@...
Subject: Take a look at this...


I was checking the Yahoo list of POTA groups (we're still #2, darn it!)
and
came across a new group...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_DG_DG/
Check it out. I'm thinking this is the work of Patrick, LordT or Rory.
Let
me know what you think.
I am making up members and joining them daily so it won't be long before
we have the numbers to be #1 over the desilate POTA group!

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So has anyone on the group got it and read it yet? Any comments to
share about it?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 7:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Latinate ape name endings

 

Zaius is very like Gaius. A good Latin name, since it was good enough for Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.  I suppose Boulle could have just chucked a Z on the front to make it more alien sounding.  Zira, as a name had fallen out of use before the movie.  There's probably as many people who associate it with The Lion King as POTA these days. Then again aside from Don Cornelius, you won't find many Cornelius's since Cornelius Vanderbilt.  There was a Turkish blend cigarette for Women around the turn of the century called Zira.  Zira is Turkish for, "because", by the way, as well as Swahili for "Hate".  Though despite it's spelling, it could be derived from the biblical name, Zerah, which means Dawn, which is actually a male name.  Though there are the female names Zera, meaning seeds, and Zira meaning an arena.  A Punk Rock couple did name their baby Zira.  No doubt she will be teased mercilessly in school for it.  But most of the Ziras these days are all pets.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 7:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Latinate ape name endings

 

Then again aside from Don Cornelius, you won't find many Cornelius's since Cornelius Vanderbilt. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 6:39 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Naming protocol

In a message dated 5/8/2006 6:13:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

No its not the doing it in colour

 

You gotta love Brit-spelling,

colour.  I just have to say it

like fishing lure. COLOOOUR...

I also like the way they spell

Center, Centre.  I like to

pronounce it that way too.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 9:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] More Files moved

Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this Neil.

 

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 7:20:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Did you create a POTADGDG?

Don't worry - I think it's kinda funny!

 

I think that was started because someone requested that

the gripes about the split be taken to an off group discussion.

It was never actually used though.  Once we actually had a place

to air these kinds of discussions it just wasn't any fun anymore.

 

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:07:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Wow, been doing a bit of research T?

 

Yes, the Internet is amazing, isn't it.  If I had to

look stuff up in a library it would never get done.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:21:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

That's Patrick – not T!  J

 

No, if it had been Patrick it would

have gone on for several more pages.

 

 

 

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Yep. Got issue number 4 of Revolution last week.

The main story is runnng along nicely, but there are too many threads
open at the moment for me to comment on that one. Definitely going to
have to sit back and reread that whole story once I get the last issue
in my hands.

Now the backup story, THAT's a different thing altogether. It's been
said by others here before that these secondary stories have all been
top notch, a sentiment echoed by myself. But this time it was a whopper
that (IMHO) outdid the previous ones.

SPOILER - - DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT UNLESS YOU'VE READ THE COMIC

The first panel or so that had the cop with the lapel "Taylor" easily
set me up for what I thought was going to be some nice story about
relatives of the astronauts after their departure. OK. Sounds simple
enough. His daughter having an axe to grind about the 'old man' leaving
her was one thing. But the splatter surprise ending really through me
for a loop. I kept on trying to assess her actions based on (a) her
present situation and (b) what possibly could have been buried in her
past to make her do that. Certainly a story that grabs you by the collar
and makes you think. I'm still not sure there really is an answer, but
the whole thing just blew me away.

With only 2 issues left (unless Ty has some good news about a
continuation), I can only hope the next 2 backups are just as good as
this one. Hard act to follow.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil <ntfoster@...>
Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2006 6:58 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution on the Planet of the Apes #4

> So has anyone on the group got it and read it yet? Any comments to
> share about it?
>
> Neil
>
>

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It appears that the masculine spelling, Zerah in not

exclusively a male name.  I found this under Female

Z Names.  There is also the very similar name, Zara.

 

 

zahara: flower

zahira: luminous

zara: brightness of the east, dawn

zarifa: graceful

zerah: rising of the light  *

zillah: shadow

zoe: life

 

* ⁷ [30] He was called Zerah: a name connected here by popular etymology with a Hebrew verb for the red light of dawn, alluding apparently to the crimson thread.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> Well, it may sit well for Neil to contemplate the notion that Milo

and/or Garvon may be "from somewhere else", but the evidence from
PLANET alone -- not to mention BENEATH, too -- states otherwise. If
the population of Ape City is worried about their crops being ravaged
by humans who've eaten up their own food supplies -- if it's a case
of simian survival, as Zaius puts it -- then what's the worry if
there are "foreign" lands, home to guys like Dr. Galen or Milo or
Garvon, where crops can be grown to offset the local losses?

-- What if those foreign lands don't get on with Ape City? What if
they are downright hostile towards each other and have little or no
contact trade wise or for anything else? What if they outright hate
each other for some reason and this other community refuses to help
out their starving neighbours. What if Galen and Milo are refugees who
have ended up in Ape city after seeking political asylum or something?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- There was Cornelius Ryan who wrote 'The Longest Day' & 'A Bridge

Too Far' and other books.

-- Ha! It just came back to me that I had a pet tortoise called
Cornelius back in the mid 70's. Wonder how I came up with that name
for him?! ;-)

Neil

My comic store guy said it's selling pretty well.....

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> I have had it for a while.
>
> First comment - the comic store I went to only had 2
> copies left.
>
> The guy said there were not enough interstate and
> that he had to help
> out some friends and send them extra issues.
>
> So it looks like sales are up!
>
> I said I'd mention that to Ty Templeton, and the guy
> just gave me a
> "yeah, RIGHT!" look! :-)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 8:58 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution on the Planet of the
> Apes #4
>
> So has anyone on the group got it and read it yet?
> Any comments to
> share about it?
>
> Neil
>
> --
>

...anyone else still having the same problem?

Neil

Yep. It hasn't changed for me either.



-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> ...anyone else still having the same problem?
>
> Neil
>

.html In a message dated 5/9/06 7:47:27 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

...anyone else still having the same problem?

It's better for me than it had been, I can say that for sure...<.html

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 7:47:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

...anyone else still having the same problem?

Neil

 

I got a email from Yahoo saying my posts were on hold

until I reactivated my Groups.  Of course when I sent

the reactivation it said, "Sorry, we can't perform that

function at this time."  Isn't Yahoo great!  ???

 

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In a message dated 5/9/2006 10:46:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Why the hell didn't Fox do this as their bust?!?!

 

Cost.  You can't get that for around a hundred bucks.

I think Apemania charges a couple few grand for those.

And they still haven't gotten the Zira mannequin quite right.

 

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I greatly appreciate that you like what we're doing.  I had to admit, I was a little worried about the bit with

SPOILER




















....Taylor's daughter.  Taylor makes a point of mentioning that he left "no one" behind on Earth, but I was reminded that a friend of mine, who HAS a daughter, often remarks that he has no family, since he and the mother split up when the girl was two years old, and she was raised by another man.  Even though my friend has an ex-wife and a daughter (who is now about twenty) he NEVER referes to them, and doesn't consider them family.  From there, the story mixed in rather nicely with an idea that co-writer Sam Agro had about a street cop dealing with a mob during Caesar's Revolution....

the mixture of ideas resulted in the back-up story in #4, which turned out pretty good, I think.  It was our first story rendered in pencil AND ink AND colour.  Sam really likes inked art, and I was happy to let him play.

Speaking of inked stories, our NEXT issue (#5) is going to feature another backup story done in pencil/inks/colour, and longtime Apes fans might recognize the artist on the story:
KENT BURLES, Apes illustrator from the 80s version of the Apes comic book.  You will not BELIEVE how pretty his art has gotten in the last few years.  And the story is a good one (I can't go on about it too much, I wrote it).  The only hint I'll give you is this; the working title was TWO FISTED LAWGIVER TALES.

After that, a story featuring Zaius and his secret council.  What was it that they decided in in secret chambers in the days before Taylor arrived? 

As for the second series mini-series...we're stuck in the definitely maybe zone right now.  NOTHING will be decided for a couple of months, when we start to sell the graphic novel.  The fate of comics publishing rests in the graphic novel sales. Joe and I have already kicked around a BUNCH of ideas for a second six issues, and we're ready to go if we get the green light. 

We're currently on orange though.

Which is much better than a red light.  But let's get the last two issues, and the collected version out FIRST.

Ty the Guy

.html In a message dated 5/9/06 10:46:49 PM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Why the hell didn't Fox do this as their bust?!?!

This IS better than what they used for the DVD set, but personally, I'd have rather seen them use an ape from PLANET rather than CONQUEST...

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Yeah but Conquest is, for some reason, the Caesar people are talking about now....




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Thanks Ty. That at least gives us hope for more stories and what you
have done this go round was excellent. Again, thanks for putting so
much into a franchise most had forgotten about years ago. It does
show how much you guys care and that means something to those of us
who aren't willing to let the Planet of the Apes just fade away.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> I greatly appreciate that you like what we're doing. I had to
admit, I was
> a little worried about the bit with
>
> SPOILER
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ....Taylor's daughter. Taylor makes a point of mentioning that he
left "no
> one" behind on Earth, but I was reminded that a friend of mine, who
HAS a
> daughter, often remarks that he has no family, since he and the
mother split
> up when the girl was two years old, and she was raised by another
man. Even
> though my friend has an ex-wife and a daughter (who is now about
twenty) he
> NEVER referes to them, and doesn't consider them family. From
there, the
> story mixed in rather nicely with an idea that co-writer Sam Agro
had about
> a street cop dealing with a mob during Caesar's Revolution....
>
> the mixture of ideas resulted in the back-up story in #4, which
turned out
> pretty good, I think. It was our first story rendered in pencil
AND ink AND
> colour. Sam really likes inked art, and I was happy to let him
play.
>
> Speaking of inked stories, our NEXT issue (#5) is going to feature
another
> backup story done in pencil/inks/colour, and longtime Apes fans
might
> recognize the artist on the story:
> KENT BURLES, Apes illustrator from the 80s version of the Apes
comic book.
> You will not BELIEVE how pretty his art has gotten in the last few
years.
> And the story is a good one (I can't go on about it too much, I
wrote it).
> The only hint I'll give you is this; the working title was TWO
FISTED
> LAWGIVER TALES.
>
> After that, a story featuring Zaius and his secret council. What
was it
> that they decided in in secret chambers in the days before Taylor
arrived?
>
> As for the second series mini-series...we're stuck in the
definitely maybe
> zone right now. NOTHING will be decided for a couple of months,
when we
> start to sell the graphic novel. The fate of comics publishing
rests in the
> graphic novel sales. Joe and I have already kicked around a BUNCH
of ideas
> for a second six issues, and we're ready to go if we get the green
light.
>
> We're currently on orange though.
>
> Which is much better than a red light. But let's get the last two
issues,
> and the collected version out FIRST.
>
> Ty the Guy
>
>
> On 5/9/06, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yep. Got issue number 4 of Revolution last week.
> >
> > The main story is runnng along nicely, but there are too many
threads
> > open at the moment for me to comment on that one. Definitely
going to
> > have to sit back and reread that whole story once I get the last
issue
> > in my hands.
> >
> > Now the backup story, THAT's a different thing altogether. It's
been
> > said by others here before that these secondary stories have all
been
> > top notch, a sentiment echoed by myself. But this time it was a
whopper
> > that (IMHO) outdid the previous ones.
> >
> > SPOILER - - DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT UNLESS YOU'VE READ
THE COMIC
> >
> > The first panel or so that had the cop with the lapel "Taylor"
easily
> > set me up for what I thought was going to be some nice story about
> > relatives of the astronauts after their departure. OK. Sounds
simple
> > enough. His daughter having an axe to grind about the 'old man'
leaving
> > her was one thing. But the splatter surprise ending really
through me
> > for a loop. I kept on trying to assess her actions based on (a)
her
> > present situation and (b) what possibly could have been buried in
her
> > past to make her do that. Certainly a story that grabs you by the
collar
> > and makes you think. I'm still not sure there really is an
answer, but
> > the whole thing just blew me away.
> >
> > With only 2 issues left (unless Ty has some good news about a
> > continuation), I can only hope the next 2 backups are just as
good as
> > this one. Hard act to follow.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Neil <ntfoster@...>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2006 6:58 pm
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution on the Planet of the Apes #4
> >
> > > So has anyone on the group got it and read it yet? Any comments
to
> > > share about it?
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
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I havent noticed any thing wrong....havent read any
reponses to messages that I hadnt see before...

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Yeah I ended up bouncing again and I have just fixed
> that but I imagine
> it won't be long.....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:24 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Still not getting all the
> Group posts...
>
> Yep. It hasn't changed for me either.
>
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.well in an environment where time travel both ways is standard, I have no problem with Taylor having a daughter!

I have a BIG problem with them rewriting the character of Taylor...

They set there and call themselves fans, and if they are, they should KNOW that Taylor has no family... They're just rewriting everything to fit their story...

Saying Taylor had a family he left behind is as bad, if not worse than, the whole Caesar remembering his life in Zira's womb...

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I know Neil is working on a sorta new Planet that I like

Is it . . . BEFORE the Planet?  ; )

 

 

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 9:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Do you need an "in" to see him?

 

Nope, just money . . .

But he hates it when someone is paying

him enough to actually check on his work.

He'd be much happier to taking your cash

and give you a stuff that looks like the Fox Box.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 9:14:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I would pardon your communistic leanings if you get some photos!  J

 

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

He's a civil servant from down-under.  If you are

a communist he'd be jealous you're more left-wing.  ; )

 

 

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It's funny how a simple sentence can be interpreted so differently by
people. I never took Taylor statement that he did not leave anyone
behind (or whatever his exact words were) to be taken literally. In
fact, I always took it as a sarcastic remark about what he left
behind. It's hard to believe that he literally had no parents,
siblings, cousins, aunts, etc. The only thing that could account for
that would be an orphan or some other drastic event. To me it was
always part of the rough edged character that made him say that. It
was more what he felt, than actual fact.

So to me, he always did have some family left behind, but not anybody
he really cared about, and that was his take on the rest of humanity
as well. The chance to voyage as he did was nothing more than an
opportunity to escape mankind.

I guess that's why the story immediately clicked for me. Here was a
chance to meet and see who and what he left behind, albeit quite a few
years after he had already departed.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Revolution on the Planet of the Apes #4

> In a message dated 5/10/06 4:47:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > .well in an environment where time travel both ways is standard,
> I have no
> > problem with Taylor having a daughter!
> >
> >
>
> I have a BIG problem with them rewriting the character of
> Taylor...
>
> They set there and call themselves fans, and if they are, they
> should KNOW
> that Taylor has no family... They're just rewriting everything to
> fit their
> story...
>
> Saying Taylor had a family he left behind is as bad, if not worse
> than, the
> whole Caesar remembering his life in Zira's womb...
>
> Heretics!
>

I made a point of going over every line Taylor said in the first two movies, and I felt quite strongly that it made sense that he had an exwife.  You don't get that misanthropic just by living life, you have to have lived through some sort of major emotional trauma, and been hurt emotionally, to claim you had NO family at all left behind.  That sounded more like denial than truth to my ears.  And, as I said, I have a friend with an ex-wife and daughter who says LITERALLY THE SAME THING if you ask him. 

Hence the idea. 

And as for Caesar "remembering" his pre-birth experiences, I promise, we're going to deal with that specific paradox in our story.  We're quite aware that it doesn't quite "fit" with the existing film continuity, but there's a specific reason for that, which we'll be discussing quite directly in the sixth issue of the series. 

I am too much of a fan of POTA to "break" the toys when I play with them.  Everything is heading for a predetermined ending that plays fair with the story, and the Caesar you'll see in Battle, will be the Caesar we leave at the end of our series.  We're playing with the paradoxes of time travel, and certain events are NOT at all how they seem.

Ty the Guy.

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It's funny how a simple sentence can be interpreted so differently by
people. I never took Taylor statement that he did not leave anyone
behind (or whatever his exact words were) to be taken literally. In
fact, I always took it as a sarcastic remark about what he left
behind. It's hard to believe that he literally had no parents,
siblings, cousins, aunts, etc. The only thing that could account for
that would be an orphan or some other drastic event. To me it was
always part of the rough edged character that made him say that. It
was more what he felt, than actual fact. 

So to me, he always did have some family left behind, but not anybody
he really cared about, and that was his take on the rest of humanity
as well. The chance to voyage as he did was nothing more than an
opportunity to escape mankind.

I guess that's why the story immediately clicked for me. Here was a
chance to meet and see who and what he left behind, albeit quite a few
years after he had already departed.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Revolution on the Planet of the Apes #4

> In a message dated 5/10/06 4:47:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > .well in an environment where time travel both ways is standard,
> I have no
> > problem with Taylor having a daughter!
> > 
> >
>
> I have a BIG problem with them rewriting the character of
> Taylor...
>
> They set there and call themselves fans, and if they are, they
> should KNOW
> that Taylor has no family... They're just rewriting everything to
> fit their
> story...
>
> Saying Taylor had a family he left behind is as bad, if not worse
> than, the
> whole Caesar remembering his life in Zira's womb...
>
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> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > Well, it may sit well for Neil to contemplate the notion that Milo
> and/or Garvon may be "from somewhere else", but the evidence from
> PLANET alone -- not to mention BENEATH, too -- states otherwise. If
> the population of Ape City is worried about their crops being

ravaged

> by humans who've eaten up their own food supplies -- if it's a case
> of simian survival, as Zaius puts it -- then what's the worry if
> there are "foreign" lands, home to guys like Dr. Galen or Milo or
> Garvon, where crops can be grown to offset the local losses?
>
> -- What if those foreign lands don't get on with Ape City? What if
> they are downright hostile towards each other and have little or no
> contact trade wise or for anything else? What if they outright hate
> each other for some reason and this other community refuses to help
> out their starving neighbours. What if Galen and Milo are refugees

who have ended up in Ape city after seeking political asylum or
something?

>
> Neil

> ....Taylor's daughter. Taylor makes a point of mentioning that he

left "no one" behind on Earth, but I was reminded that a friend of
mine, who HAS a daughter, often remarks that he has no family, since
he and the mother split up when the girl was two years old, and she
was raised by another man.

*** Taylor points out to Nova that he left Earth because "there was
no one to hold me there"... because Earth had become a world where
there were women, LOTS of women... lots of love-MAKING but no LOVE.
That was the kind of world Man had made... so he left it. Because
there was no one to hold him. He was supremely lonely.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he could've
knocked up some gal, though. After all, he WAS an astronaut, and I'm
betting that the flyboys at NASA (and ANSA) would have as much
opportunity for intimate companionship as did the rock stars and
movie stars of that time. Protesters were spitting on soldiers
returning from Vietnam, but NOT on those heroic astronauts.

Maybe he HAD a gal... and she cheated on him. I can see him coming
home from a busy day prepping for some flight tests, or something,
only to find his squeeze in bed with the milkman or mailman. Or,
hell, even with BOTH of 'em. It WAS the late 60's, early 70's, after
all. The sexual revolution was in full swing then. If Taylor was
heavily on the conservative end of that issue, it's a good bet he'd
react viscerally to finding his wife in flagrante delicto. I can see
him BECOMING a misanthrope as a reaction to a deeply personal sense
of betrayal by a too, too fallible human being. He gets the chance to
lead an interstellar mission... to go somewhere where maybe, just
MAYBE, he might find "something better" than the human race. Not just
a species which doesn't make war on itself, or starve its neighbors'
children... but where wives don't cheat on their husbands, too.

But it's one thing to leave behind a loveless marriage, forsaking a
marital vow due to a wife's infidelity. It's another thing entirely
to abandon a child. If Taylor had begotten a daughter -- a child he
KNEW about, and not one who had been born half a year after he left
Earth -- and if he had abandoned that child, then what would that say
about him? I'm not entirely sure that Taylor -- as I see him -- is
the sort of man who would've done that. I get the sense that he's
leaving behind everybody because he has no 'connection' to anybody.
Not to any wife or love interest, because he feels unloved. And not
to any familial ties, which would tend to keep him at home, so that
he could at least HOPE to raise a child to be the kind of person that
he wishes ALL human beings would be. Is there any parent who still
hopes for the future who DOESN'T look at their own child and yearn to
instill those qualities in their offspring, their gift to the future?

If Taylor abandoned a daughter, then he really IS guilty of Landon's
accusation: "You despised people... so, what did you do? You ran out!"

Yet he replies, "No, Landon... I'm a seeker, too. But my dreams
aren't like yours. I can't help thinking that somewhere in the
universe there has to be something better than Man. HAS to be!"

Would he have said this if he had left an infant daughter behind? My
gut tells me No. If he HAD left an abandoned child behind, wouldn't
he have mentioned this when he told Nova about his reasons for
leaving Earth -- knowing that Nova wouldn't understand him, and
wouldn't be able to chastise him for abandoning a child? Taylor bares
his soul to a mute savage who can't understand him -- perhaps he does
so because he KNOWS she can't understand him. So she can't judge him.
So it would be safe to divulge this shame of his, this child-
abandonment. But if he DOES know he left an infant daughter behind,
it would seem that she doesn't even warrant a single mention when he
reviews the sorry state of his life on Earth prior to leaving it for
Outer Space. Brent's skipper goes out-of-his-way to mention the wife
and two daughters his blind eyes would never see again -- in the few
minutes of screen-time he has. Why wouldn't Taylor mention a daughter
he'd left behind, even just once?

One last thing: when he bellows out his final line of dialogue in
PLANET, it is to call upon God to condemn the entire human race
(alive at the time of the nuclear war) to Hell. That would
necessarily include any surviving family of his, including a daughter
that he himself had abandoned. She would have to share in the 'guilt'
for that devastation he so laments, a guilt he DOESN'T share in since
he wasn't THERE when it happened. He's absolved, isn't he? How can HE
be blamed for the actions of others when he was far, far away in
space, unable to take part in the decision-making that led to the
Apocalypse. But not his daughter. SHE would deserve the Hellfire he
calls upon God to punish all Mankind with.

Later, when he's with Nova at that oasis, he suggests that he and
Nova found a colony where all the kids would learn to talk. No
mention, not even here, of any OTHER kids he had previously begotten
with any past woman. Absence of evidence ain't evidence of absence,
but the silence gets kinda deafening, I think.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

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>
>
> Though despite it's spelling, it could be derived from the biblical

name, Zerah, which means Dawn, which is actually a male name. Though
there are the female names Zera, meaning seeds, and Zira meaning an
arena.

*** The Hebrew word you reference meaning "dawn" is Mizrach [spelled
with the 4 letters M-Z-R-Ch] from a root word Zarach [Z-R-Ch],
meaning "dawn, the east". This same root is found in names like
ZERUBABEL (meaning "sprouted from Babel" since the sun rising over
the horizon was likened to a plant rising from the ground, sprouting
up). That's why the Hebrew root also means "seed".

I'm unfamiliar with the meaning of "arena" pertaining to the name
Zira. Is that in Hebrew? My Hebrew-Chaldee lexicon doesn't have that
definition for any word in the "Z" section -- or the "TZ" section,
either, for that matter. In Hebrew, there is another letter (the 18th
letter of the Hebrew alphabet) which is usually transliterated as
either "Z" or "Tz" or "Ts" and sometimes pronounced like "dz", and
the only word that has the vowel "i" in it [pronounced "ih", as in
pin or hip] is the word Tzir`ah [spelled with the four Hebrew letters
Tz-R-`-H], and it means "a stinging thing" hence "a wasp"
or "hornet". Aside from the word "Zerah" ("dawn"), this is the
closest sounding Hebrew word to the name ZIRA.

I don't think, however, that Boulle had ANY of these words or names
in mind when he came up with the name "Zira" for his original
character. Why he chose a name like "Cornelius" -- so obviously
Latinate -- is anyone's guess; it was the ONLY undoubtedly Roman-type
name that could be found in a Latin or classical dictionary. Tzero
seems to think Boulle smoked Turkish cigarettes and named his
character after that brand-name. Maybe, but I doubt it. The film
version of Zira was more "wasp-ish" (as when she goads Cornelius
to "show some strength!" and all that) than the novel's version of
this same character. So I doubt if Boulle was deriving her name from
any other language.

Zaius, Helius, and Haristas SOUND like they could be Roman/Latin or
Greek names, but they aren't found in any Classical dictionary I've
ever come across. Cornelius is the ONLY name that can be found, and
it is based on that that Serling & Wilson seem to have gone whole hog
and filched other Latin names for Maximus, Honorius, Julius, Lucius,
Marcus, etc.

Patrick

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 2:12:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I know Neil is working on a sorta new Planet that I like

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 2:12:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I know Neil is working on a sorta new Planet that I like

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I know Neil is working on a sorta new Planet that I like

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 4:44:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Tzero
seems to think Boulle smoked Turkish cigarettes and named his
character after that brand-name. Maybe, but I doubt it.

 

And, as usual, you seem to find meaning where there is none.

Maybe it seems that way to you, but I never said that.  I didn't

say they were Turkish.  Camels are a Turkish bland, but they

aren't Turkish.  And those ciggies are turn of the century circa

1910,  so I doubt he ever had one.  I don't think he got the name

from them, because I have no idea where he go the name.  For

all I know he made it up.  But it was around before he was born.

I don't know how you read into the statements that I made that

you think I thought that.  But then again you're the guy with the

Mothership Theory . but I won't try to read anything into that.  ; )

 

 

 

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I made a point of going over every line Taylor said in the first two movies, and I felt quite strongly that it made sense that he had an exwife.  You don't get that misanthropic just by living life, you have to have lived through some sort of major emotional trauma, and been hurt emotionally, to claim you had NO family at all left behind.

If you don't get to be a misanthrope just by "living life", than explain that a little better...

Look around you: There are "millions" of reasons to be down on humanity WITHOUT having to have had a personal experience to make you that way... In most cases, if the misanthrope is affected in their personal life by something, then that is generally the final straw that permanently cements their feelings...

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 5:05:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

T!

 

It's true.  Had I know he was coming out with a whole line

of POTA Products I wouldn't have bid on his rejects.  I think

he owes me.  One of each would be fair.  But it's a business

for him.  And that might eat into his precious profit margin. 

Why else would the guy try and auction off his rejects?

 

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what's a Fox Box??

TZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/10/2006 9:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Do you need an "in" to see him?

 

Nope, just money . . .

But he hates it when someone is paying

him enough to actually check on his work.

He'd be much happier to taking your cash

and give you a stuff that looks like the Fox Box.

 

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That is strange! Not sure why it would be $999.00 though!!

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Now this is strange:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6057379117&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

 

I wonder if this could  have been a tie-in for the animated series that Todd McFarlane (I think) was rumoured to have wanted to do around the time of Burton's re-imagining?

If so I didn't think things had got as far as this seems to indicate. Maybe there are some concept sketches or something somewhere?

 

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In a message dated 5/10/2006 11:31:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

what's a Fox Box??

Fox Boxed Set

 

aka . . . The Head.

 

 

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Kinda like a cross between apes2001 and He-Man (Maters of the Universe)



In a message dated 5/10/2006 9:44:29 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

That's fairly amazing!
Looks rather daft though....




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> Looks rather like crap...
> Kinda like a cross between apes2001 and He-Man (Maters of the Universe)

-- Yeah I agree it does look bad but I still think it is very
interesting that they actually got to the prototype stage with a
figure based on a character from an animated series that I always
thought had got no further than being talked about.

Neil

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Did you see the price? Jackasses!!! Its probably an unproduced toy
prototype that has nothing to do with Planet of the Apes but a pre-
exsisting toy line that failed. Probably thought they could get more
money out of us idiots than the guy collecting the new "Masters of
the Universe" toy line. Bastards!!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Now this is strange:
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
> <http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=6057379117&s
> sPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT>
&rd=1&item=6057379117&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
> I wonder if this could have been a tie-in for the animated series
that
> Todd McFarlane (I think) was rumoured to have wanted to do around
the
> time of Burton's re-imagining?
> If so I didn't think things had got as far as this seems to
indicate.
> Maybe there are some concept sketches or something somewhere?
>
> Neil
>

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Here are more photos for you to enjoy.

Kevin

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I was just going through all these clippings I have,
sending TV related ones to Kass for her site......
Found this which I thought was cool....no idea of the
date....it's funny that I have absolutly NO memory of
Burt Ward....My focus was riveted elsewhere!!

Tim

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I wonder if Fox remembers they had a record opening with

POTA2K1  They might, but should also remember they

have to deliver the goods if it's going to have legs.

 

The last major attack is Pirates of The Caribbean 2 on July 9. The first film opened to $46.6 million here at home and ended up joining Independence Day and Spider-Man 2 as the only $300 million grossers ever to open in July. The top five best July openings ever are $88 million (Spider-Man 2), $73 million (Goldmember), $68 million (Planet of the Apes),

 

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , PofTAfan@... wrote:

> Here are more photos for you to enjoy.

-- Kevin, thanks to Yahoo stuffing up again I never recieved the email
with these pictures, is there any chance that you could upload them to
the files section or re-send them?

Cheers,
Neil

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I'll send you the photos.

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:07:46 -0000
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: More ape photos

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
> Here are more photos for you to enjoy.

-- Kevin, thanks to Yahoo stuffing up again I never recieved the email
with these pictures, is there any chance that you could upload them to
the files section or re-send them?

Cheers,
Neil








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