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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> John Bolton it is Alan.
>
> And a missed opportunity indeed!
>
> Is he still around?

He certainly is, though I don't know what he's been up to recently
(the last thing I remember was a Batman miniseries) and we
interviewed him in Scrolls a little while back. The thing I liked
most about what he had to say was that he wasn't in any way ashamed
of his Apes work (and nor should he be) - given that he's gone on to
what some might describe as bigger and better things (not me!) such
as Aliens, Batman, exhibitions and books about his art, etc. it
wouldn't have surprised me if he'd been unenthusiastic about it. I
would think that some artists might be a little embarrassed going
back and looking at stuff they did thirty years ago when they were
just breaking into the business, but he seemed to be genuinely happy
with what he did on the UK Apes annuals, which was nice.

Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Could be 90's then cos in Hungary the cars still look like that! :-)
>

Ha good one !! Could be that the artist is of a "certain age"
so all his cars are drawn subconsciously to look like the vechicles of
his youth. A bit like Jack Kirby's art of the sixties and seventies
where everyone still seems to have suits tailored in the thirties or
fourties!! :)
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> I guess if you are foremost a fan of comics you might argue a case

but

> in my book of rules (for what that is worth and where it has got

me!:)

> POTA comic artists need to get close to the source.

Yep, I accept that and that for many fans this is what is preferred -
and I like accuracy too if it's done well (such as Bolton and
Neil).

I only have a couple of small problems I have with that approach -
the first is that the more accurate the artists are with respect to
the appearances of apes from the original movies the more difficult
I think it would be for them to distinguish the different characters
if they have a lot of apes to draw (especially in black and white as
so many Apes comics have been).

The other problem is that if an artist has to slavishly stick to the
visuals of the movies then they might end up compromising their own
artistic style, which I think would be a loss with some of the
talents we've had on Apes over the years. Ploog, Sutton and Alcala
all did some of their best work on Apes, but I wonder if it might
have been less impressive if they'd been forced to stick closely to
the movies rather than their own style, or if they'd even have
agreed to do the strip under such conditions.

I know some purists will disagree with me (and you're probably right
about me looking at it from the point of view of a comics fan who is
also into Apes) but I guess I would compare it to how the movies
differed from the original novel. Both have merit, but both are very
different - Boulle's is the original, whereas the movie is how
Serling, Schaefner, Chambers, etc. interpreted it. Rather than
sticking to the movies, artists such as Ploog and Sutton gave us yet
another visual interpretation just as the movies did. (I won't use
the word "reimagining" though, as that brings back unpleasant
memories!)

Alan

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of llamawaxlen
Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2006 8:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution

As for who the best Apes artists are - I will always pick Ploog,

 also, I would point to the work of John Bolton, Alfredo Alcala and
Tom Sutton.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2006 12:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution

Ploog’s right up there but again he claims he didn’t ever look at the source (which we all know is impossible – how would he get the gorilla outfits so close without ever having seen one?).

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2006 12:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Revolution

I’d say the same for Sutton and Alcala....if you are talking from the perspective of a comic fan you’ll be saying different things to someone talking as a POTA fan that reads comics.

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In addition to his POTA work (etc), Bolton did a magnificent job
illustrating a KULL story written (if I remember right) by Doug
Moench for Marvel, back in the mid-1980s or so. I recently bought a
boatload of plastic bags & cardboard backers for my magazines and
bagged up my SAVAGE SWORD OF CONAN collection (and some other related
mags) before running out of 'em. I hadn't seen that Kull mag in
almost 20 years, since I bought it, and it was worth perusing again
before baggin' it up.

It would've been nice to see Bolton do the art for a major storyline
in Marvel's POTA magazine. We were blessed and cursed with some of
Marvel's best and not-so-best artists doing POTA: Ploog & Alcala
(etc) on the good side, and (unfortunately) some less-than-stellar
talents like Herb Trimpe, whose art style just wasn't right for POTA.
Sutton was magnificent for FUTURE HISTORY CHRONICLES, but not quite
right for TERROR, when he took over after Ploog left. Bolton would've
been a great choice to do some art for Marvel's POTA mag, and it's
too bad they didn't hire him to do some. Ah well...

Patrick
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "llamawaxlen" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@> wrote:
> >
> > John Bolton it is Alan.
> >
> > And a missed opportunity indeed!
> >
> > Is he still around?
>
> He certainly is, though I don't know what he's been up to recently
> (the last thing I remember was a Batman miniseries) and we
> interviewed him in Scrolls a little while back. The thing I liked
> most about what he had to say was that he wasn't in any way ashamed
> of his Apes work (and nor should he be) - given that he's gone on
to
> what some might describe as bigger and better things (not me!) such
> as Aliens, Batman, exhibitions and books about his art, etc. it
> wouldn't have surprised me if he'd been unenthusiastic about it. I
> would think that some artists might be a little embarrassed going
> back and looking at stuff they did thirty years ago when they were
> just breaking into the business, but he seemed to be genuinely
happy
> with what he did on the UK Apes annuals, which was nice.
>
> Alan
>

Just discussed it really.  The only details that were interesting that we didn't have room for, were that the man who DOES end up in the secret base inside Rushmore (and is found years later, in the Marvel Apes series, we hint...) is the Vice President of the United States, who, after losing touch with rest of humanity, assumes himself to be President while he goes into hiding.  I think that might have been Joe's bit, but I can't remember.  We both enjoyed the scene inside Rushmore in the Marvel comics enourmously, and so it was a no brainer to want to spend a couple of pages inside Lincoln's head...but we ran out of room.

It was a fun scene, but never went past the discussion stage.

Ty

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> -- These I agree with except for Tom Sutton. I personally have

never rated his art and I really didn't like his apes at all. Ploog
is my all time favourite closely followed by Alcala, Bolton and Rico
Rival. I was also very fond of the great Herb Trimpe's contributions
as well and lets not forget the wonderful recent work of Tom Fowler.

>
> I would slightly disagree with you about Alcala as I think that a

lot of his other work such as his Conan, Kull and Batman stuff was
easily the equal of his Apes work.

>
> Neil

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*** Seems Neil & I disagree about "the great Herb Trimpe's
contributions"! I don't think he's a horrible artist, though: just
that his style didn't seem "right" for POTA (in my eyes).

Tom Sutton, though, is a different matter. As I said, he wasn't
really the right choice (I think) to take over TERROR from Ploog,
since Ploog really nailed the "classic POTA" style, and Sutton's
style just didn't do justice to it.

However, the "planet of the apes" is just that -- a whole planet! And
aside from the few regions on North America where the live-action
POTA movies and TV episodes take place, we never do see the rest of
the post-nuke world... until, for the first time really, we see the
Moench-written Sutton-illustrated FUTURE HISTORY CHRONICLES. They
created such a different look -- one divorced in geography from the
Ape City-styles depicted on film -- that I think it was magnificent.
I think it would've been a mistake to make the Apes in FHC dress the
same way we're accustomed to seeing, since they probably have never
met the population founded by Caesar between CONQUEST and BATTLE. We
don't know WHERE in the world's oceans those city-ships plied the
waves (Atlantic? Pacific? Indian? Mediterranean?), and we don't know
WHEN Alaric, Graymalkin, and Starkor had their adventures. What
century did they take place in? The 21st? The 39th? While humans in
the New York City environs were mute savages in the decades leading
up to 3955 A.D., maybe Alaric was sinking city-ships with the Freedom
Reaver... or, maybe he lived centuries earlier. We never do learn
from Moench (do we?) when FHC is supposed to take place on the POTA
timeline. Between the Nuke War and Doomsday there's almost 2,000
years of time that elapses.

I like the fact that FHC is so divergent from the rest of the Marvel
POTA stuff. We can imagine it happening almost any time between, say,
2100 A.D. and 3900 A.D., and it could all happen almost anywhere in
the world, from sea to shining sea. The "graveyard of lost ships"
could be in the Caribbean... in the Aegean Sea... in the South
Pacific... we JUST DON'T KNOW!!!

It would've been a mistake for Graymalkin to dress like Aldo or
Ursus, I think. The clothing styles would more appropriately be
tailored to the ocean-going environment. I'm glad that the different
settings gave Sutton the chance to just let loose with his artistic
imagination. And that two-page pic in issue #12 still knocks my socks
off. I'd love to see the whole run of FUTURE HISTORY CHRONICLES get
re-presented in a new colorized reprint, the way that Dark Horse is
reprinting the old Marvel CONAN THE BARBARIAN comics in graphic novel-
type collections with better coloring than was available back in the
1970's. For that matter, I'd like to see reprinted and colorized
versions of TERROR, too, though with an eye to accuracy (chimps in
green, orangutans in orange, etc), unlike how Marvel colorized their
PLANET and BENEATH adaptations when they published ADVENTURES ON THE
POTA.

Sutton wasn't the best choice to take over TERROR from Ploog, but his
work on FHC was magnificent. I'd love to have a poster of that 2-page
CITY OF NOMADS splash page. Does anybody with PHOTOSHOP capabilities
have the ability to cut-and-paste those pages together seamlessly, to
make one big pic of it? In hi-res?

Patrick

Hmmm... it makes you wonder if V.P. Cheney has a
brain-washing Psychedrome down at Guantanamo Bay...

Patrick


--- Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:

> Just discussed it really. The only details that
> were interesting that we
> didn't have room for, were that the man who DOES end
> up in the secret base
> inside Rushmore (and is found years later, in the
> Marvel Apes series, we
> hint...) is the Vice President of the United States,
> who, after losing touch
> with rest of humanity, assumes himself to be
> President while he goes into
> hiding. I think that might have been Joe's bit, but
> I can't remember. We
> both enjoyed the scene inside Rushmore in the Marvel
> comics enourmously, and
> so it was a no brainer to want to spend a couple of
> pages inside Lincoln's
> head...but we ran out of room.
>
> It was a fun scene, but never went past the
> discussion stage.
>
> Ty
>
> On 7/8/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you rough this out or just discuss it?
> This would be so cool to
> > see!
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> > Of *Ty Templeton
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:15 PM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] More REVOLUTION
> (spoiler)!
> >
> >
> >
> > The reference to Mount Rushmore...
> >
> > We even had an entire scene set up inside
> Lincoln's head in an earlier
> > version of the plot, but had to drop it for space.
> I couldn't let the
> > miniseries go without at least making a reference,
> so I asked Joe to include
> > the line. He happily agreed, and added it to an
> already terrific scene
> > watching the Statue of Liberty sinking into the
> harbour.
> >
> > Ty
> >
> > On 7/7/06, *Michael Whitty*
> <whitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Ty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > I love the reference to the bunker at Mt Rushmore!
> J
> >
> >
> >
> > What's "FORT LIBERTY "? Looks like the Statue of
> Liberty but has this
> > been refurbished?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>

No slam taken whatsoever.  Honest opinion is the point of the forum, right?  And I'm delighted to hear any comments pro or con.

I'll still back my man Kent here, and say I was very happy with the job he did for us.  I smiled from ear to ear when the job came in, and smiled again when it came in, in colour.  For me, it was a case of enjoying seeing something connect our series to series of the past.  Perhaps it was a series you guys didn't enjoy (and I'll maintain, it was the writing on Kent's issues that were a let down.  His art was always appealing to me.), but the sense of continuity was important to me.  Like having Chris Reeve appear on Smallville, in a minor sense.

Let me offer this:  I'm a comic book artist myself, and enjoy the craft of storytelling that Kent does very well...And while I agree that his apes aren't slavishly like the original movie versions, they have their own place in the Ape-verse, along with other versions done through the years.  (Personally I never dug the Tom Sutton POTA strips from Marvel, though others raved about them.  Baffling to me...).  In many ways, it's his willingness to impose a style onto his work that I enjoy, like Kirby, Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, Fowler, Salgood, and a host of other "apes artists" over the years have done. He brings something a little different, and a little interesting to the table that has a look that sticks in your head.

My two cents.  Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun and charming?

Ty the Guy.  ;)



 





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No slam taken whatsoever.  Honest opinion is the point of the forum, right?  And I'm delighted to hear any comments pro or con.

I'll still back my man Kent here, and say I was very happy with the job he did for us.  I smiled from ear to ear when the job came in, and smiled again when it came in, in colour.  For me, it was a case of enjoying seeing something connect our series to series of the past.  Perhaps it was a series you guys didn't enjoy (and I'll maintain, it was the writing on Kent's issues that were a let down.  His art was always appealing to me.), but the sense of continuity was important to me.  Like having Chris Reeve appear on Smallville, in a minor sense.

Let me offer this:  I'm a comic book artist myself, and enjoy the craft of storytelling that Kent does very well...And while I agree that his apes aren't slavishly like the original movie versions, they have their own place in the Ape-verse, along with other versions done through the years.  (Personally I never dug the Tom Sutton POTA strips from Marvel, though others raved about them.  Baffling to me...).  In many ways, it's his willingness to impose a style onto his work that I enjoy, like Kirby, Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, Fowler, Salgood, and a host of other "apes artists" over the years have done. He brings something a little different, and a little interesting to the table that has a look that sticks in your head.

My two cents.  Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun and charming?

Ty the Guy.  ;)



 





Anyway,

All this talk about favorite Ape artists is very interesting in that
there are so many varying opinions.

Its very hard to nail down absolutes on something based on personal
preferences, but here are my 2 cents worth.

I have two artists that will always be my 2 favorites for different reasons.

One is Ploog. Why? While few (if any) will deny that he just drew great
apes, I suspect that some of the of that story is based the fact that
his Terror was the first time I (and I know many of you) got a chance to
see Apes in comic format. The fact that those first installments of
Terror were just awesome stories to boot sure helped. But he had the
advantage of doing it first and first impressions in this case, last
forever. I still remember fondly holding that first issue and reading
Terror and just being blown away by both the art and the story. His
'hooded' gorillas and the literal terror some of those images illicited
will never be forgotten. Nuff said.

The other artist is our own Neil here. Neil, being the great Ape fan
that he is pours everything he's got into those ape drawings of his and
it shows every time. His character/actor based apes are all spot on, and
his original apes fit right in with the contemporary style. He's got the
talent to draw the perfect ape, and he couldn't draw a sloppy ape if he
tried. (Remember the fracas I raised when he mentioned he was going to
change his style? How silly my worries were.)

I won't go into all of the other artist who've done apes over the years
but since Burles was mentioned because of his new story in RotPotA, I'll
say this. I like his art. True, it is not as accurate as Neil's art, or
as dramatic as Ploog, but he sure is a lot better than some others that
worked on the old Adventure series, and while they certainly are more in
his own personal style (its the separation between the eyes and the
overall 'droopyness' of the faces), they are all definitely 'classic' apes.

I also want to make it clear that while a lot of people really put down
the old Adventure series, I still maintain that they are enjoyable when
read in a lighthearted manner. I'd rather reread them than a lot of
other 'high profile' garbage that have appeared on comic store shelves
over the years. They seemed that they were rushed in many ways and there
was a lot left to be desired in the art, but they tried to come up with
decent stories and they were not that far off the mark as some would be
lead to believe. Let's just say they never hit the mark. ;)


Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
Date: Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution

> No slam taken whatsoever. Honest opinion is the point of the
> forum, right?
> And I'm delighted to hear any comments pro or con.
>
> I'll still back my man Kent here, and say I was very happy with the
> job he
> did for us. I smiled from ear to ear when the job came in, and
> smiled again
> when it came in, in colour. For me, it was a case of enjoying seeing
> something connect our series to series of the past. Perhaps it was
> a series
> you guys didn't enjoy (and I'll maintain, it was the writing on Kent's
> issues that were a let down. His art was always appealing to me.),
> but the
> sense of continuity was important to me. Like having Chris Reeve
> appear on
> Smallville, in a minor sense.
>
> Let me offer this: I'm a comic book artist myself, and enjoy the
> craft of
> storytelling that Kent does very well...And while I agree that his
> apesaren't slavishly like the original movie versions, they have
> their own place
> in the Ape-verse, along with other versions done through the years.
> (Personally I never dug the Tom Sutton POTA strips from Marvel, though
> others raved about them. Baffling to me...). In many ways, it's his
> willingness to impose a style onto his work that I enjoy, like Kirby,
> Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, Fowler, Salgood, and a host of other "apes
> artists"over the years have done. He brings something a little
> different, and a
> little interesting to the table that has a look that sticks in your
> head.
> My two cents. Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun and
> charming?
>
> Ty the Guy. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyway,
>
> On 7/8/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK – I do understand and I am probably over-reacting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I'm going to go away and think about what happens to someone who
> > indirectly insults a 600 pound gorilla (seeing as you inked some
> of the
> > stuff I was slamming!). J
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm....I hope this gorilla is compassionate!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
> *On Behalf
> > Of *Ty Templeton
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:12 PM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
> >
> >
> >
> > Well....
> >
> > You're very right, I do appreciate honesty on the boards.
> >
> > My take is this. I like Kent's work. I think he has a charming
> style> that has it's own groove. There are folks who like Ploog
> and folks who hate
> > Ploog etc, and I guess folks who like Kent and don't like Kent.
> No artist
> > is going to please everyone.
> >
> > The real deciding factor is that I've known Kent for a zillion
> years, and
> > we used to live within a block of each other in Toronto... back
> when we were
> > both young, and the Earth still cooling, I even INKED a panel or
> two in one
> > of Kent's Planet of the Apes comics, ( I can't remember which
> issue, but it
> > was a great thrill for the first time, to work on something to do
> with the
> > Planet of the Apes) and it seemed odd that I would work on a
> Planet of the
> > Apes comic and NOT invite Kent to participate. I'm fairly
> certain there
> > were some folks out there who were nostalgically pleased. I've
> received at
> > least ONE email saying they liked it.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>

Ah yes. I vagely remember that brainwashing. isn't that you take the
brain out of the skull and wash it in cool water.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Tilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] More REVOLUTION (spoiler)!

Hmmm... it makes you wonder if V.P. Cheney has a
brain-washing Psychedrome down at Guantanamo Bay...

Patrick

--- Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:

> Just discussed it really. The only details that
> were interesting that we
> didn't have room for, were that the man who DOES end
> up in the secret base
> inside Rushmore (and is found years later, in the
> Marvel Apes series, we
> hint...) is the Vice President of the United States,
> who, after losing touch
> with rest of humanity, assumes himself to be
> President while he goes into
> hiding. I think that might have been Joe's bit, but
> I can't remember. We
> both enjoyed the scene inside Rushmore in the Marvel
> comics enourmously, and
> so it was a no brainer to want to spend a couple of
> pages inside Lincoln's
> head...but we ran out of room.
>
> It was a fun scene, but never went past the
> discussion stage.
>
> Ty
>
> On 7/8/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you rough this out or just discuss it?
> This would be so cool to
> > see!
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> > Of *Ty Templeton
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:15 PM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] More REVOLUTION
> (spoiler)!
> >
> >
> >
> > The reference to Mount Rushmore...
> >
> > We even had an entire scene set up inside
> Lincoln's head in an earlier
> > version of the plot, but had to drop it for space.
> I couldn't let the
> > miniseries go without at least making a reference,
> so I asked Joe to include
> > the line. He happily agreed, and added it to an
> already terrific scene
> > watching the Statue of Liberty sinking into the
> harbour.
> >
> > Ty
> >
> > On 7/7/06, *Michael Whitty*
> <whitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Ty
> >
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> >
> > I love the reference to the bunker at Mt Rushmore!
> J
> >
> >
> >
> > What's "FORT LIBERTY "? Looks like the Statue of
> Liberty but has this
> > been refurbished?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com , "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...>
wrote:

Brian Pendreigh is a sour-grapes pussy! He had the gaul to put Heston
down in his book out of spite because Chuck wouldn't grant him an
interview.Heston was just being LOYAL to us,the authors of PLANET OF
THE APES REVISITED.Unlike Pendreigh,who slapped a book together at the
last minute to capitalize on APES 2001,we did our research years and
years before.Heston,being the stellar man he is,was honoring his
commitment to us.He also graciously wrote our forward AND his wife
allowed us to use exclusive unseen photos.By denying Pendreigh his
cooperation,he was assuring our project his exclusive stamp of
approval.I'm glad Pendreigh's name was brought up,as this was an issue
that has always been a thorn in my side.Now I have finally gotten it
off my chest.THAT WAS LOW PENDREIGH-Heston is an outstanding,honrable
gentleman.YOU are a pussy!

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My favorite is the groups own Neil! I have never seen any art work
that looks more real and life like than Neils!
John


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

>
>
> All this talk about favorite Ape artists is very interesting in

that

> there are so many varying opinions.
>
> Its very hard to nail down absolutes on something based on personal
> preferences, but here are my 2 cents worth.
>
> I have two artists that will always be my 2 favorites for

different reasons.

>
> One is Ploog. Why? While few (if any) will deny that he just drew

great

> apes, I suspect that some of the of that story is based the fact

that

> his Terror was the first time I (and I know many of you) got a

chance to

> see Apes in comic format. The fact that those first installments of
> Terror were just awesome stories to boot sure helped. But he had

the

> advantage of doing it first and first impressions in this case,

last

> forever. I still remember fondly holding that first issue and

reading

> Terror and just being blown away by both the art and the story. His
> 'hooded' gorillas and the literal terror some of those images

illicited

> will never be forgotten. Nuff said.
>
> The other artist is our own Neil here. Neil, being the great Ape

fan

> that he is pours everything he's got into those ape drawings of

his and

> it shows every time. His character/actor based apes are all spot

on, and

> his original apes fit right in with the contemporary style. He's

got the

> talent to draw the perfect ape, and he couldn't draw a sloppy ape

if he

> tried. (Remember the fracas I raised when he mentioned he was

going to

> change his style? How silly my worries were.)
>
> I won't go into all of the other artist who've done apes over the

years

> but since Burles was mentioned because of his new story in

RotPotA, I'll

> say this. I like his art. True, it is not as accurate as Neil's

art, or

> as dramatic as Ploog, but he sure is a lot better than some others

that

> worked on the old Adventure series, and while they certainly are

more in

> his own personal style (its the separation between the eyes and the
> overall 'droopyness' of the faces), they are all

definitely 'classic' apes.

>
> I also want to make it clear that while a lot of people really put

down

> the old Adventure series, I still maintain that they are enjoyable

when

> read in a lighthearted manner. I'd rather reread them than a lot of
> other 'high profile' garbage that have appeared on comic store

shelves

> over the years. They seemed that they were rushed in many ways and

there

> was a lot left to be desired in the art, but they tried to come up

with

> decent stories and they were not that far off the mark as some

would be

> lead to believe. Let's just say they never hit the mark. ;)
>
>
> Dario
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
> Date: Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:42 pm
> Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
>
> > No slam taken whatsoever. Honest opinion is the point of the
> > forum, right?
> > And I'm delighted to hear any comments pro or con.
> >
> > I'll still back my man Kent here, and say I was very happy with

the

> > job he
> > did for us. I smiled from ear to ear when the job came in, and
> > smiled again
> > when it came in, in colour. For me, it was a case of enjoying

seeing

> > something connect our series to series of the past. Perhaps it

was

> > a series
> > you guys didn't enjoy (and I'll maintain, it was the writing on

Kent's

> > issues that were a let down. His art was always appealing to

me.),

> > but the
> > sense of continuity was important to me. Like having Chris

Reeve

> > appear on
> > Smallville, in a minor sense.
> >
> > Let me offer this: I'm a comic book artist myself, and enjoy

the

> > craft of
> > storytelling that Kent does very well...And while I agree that

his

> > apesaren't slavishly like the original movie versions, they have
> > their own place
> > in the Ape-verse, along with other versions done through the

years.

> > (Personally I never dug the Tom Sutton POTA strips from Marvel,

though

> > others raved about them. Baffling to me...). In many ways,

it's his

> > willingness to impose a style onto his work that I enjoy, like

Kirby,

> > Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, Fowler, Salgood, and a host of

other "apes

> > artists"over the years have done. He brings something a little
> > different, and a
> > little interesting to the table that has a look that sticks in

your

> > head.
> > My two cents. Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun

and

> > charming?
> >
> > Ty the Guy. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway,
> >
> > On 7/8/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK – I do understand and I am probably over-reacting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now I'm going to go away and think about what happens to

someone who

> > > indirectly insults a 600 pound gorilla (seeing as you inked

some

> > of the
> > > stuff I was slamming!). J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm....I hope this gorilla is compassionate!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> > *On Behalf
> > > Of *Ty Templeton
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:12 PM
> > > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > You're very right, I do appreciate honesty on the boards.
> > >
> > > My take is this. I like Kent's work. I think he has a

charming

> > style> that has it's own groove. There are folks who like Ploog
> > and folks who hate
> > > Ploog etc, and I guess folks who like Kent and don't like

Kent.

> > No artist
> > > is going to please everyone.
> > >
> > > The real deciding factor is that I've known Kent for a zillion
> > years, and
> > > we used to live within a block of each other in Toronto...

back

> > when we were
> > > both young, and the Earth still cooling, I even INKED a panel

or

> > two in one
> > > of Kent's Planet of the Apes comics, ( I can't remember which
> > issue, but it
> > > was a great thrill for the first time, to work on something to

do

> > with the
> > > Planet of the Apes) and it seemed odd that I would work on a
> > Planet of the
> > > Apes comic and NOT invite Kent to participate. I'm fairly
> > certain there
> > > were some folks out there who were nostalgically pleased.

I've

> > received at
> > > least ONE email saying they liked it.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes.

 

The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.

 

T

 

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

 

 

 

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And 3 guesses as to the identity of the gutless turd who was responsible
for this! :)

Michael

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:

>
> My two cents. Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun and
> charming?

Yes! It's no secret that I'm one of the few people who liked the
Adventure series (well, most of it anyway) and while, as I've said
elsewhere, I think Wyman drew better apes than Burles, I did like
it.

In fact, when I wrote the overview of the Adventure series for
Scrolls I went back and re-read every single issue and miniseries
before I wrote anything (in some cases for the first time since I
first bought them) and actually enjoyed some of them even more
second time around. I agree with Dario's point that they are
enjoyable while not necessarily being particularly high-brow or
serious all the time, but then I guess that's what the problem is
for a lot of folks.

I've collected some original comic art from the Apes series over the
years and have no problem admitting that in my pile of pages from
Sutton, Rival, Trinidad, etc. I have a few pages of Burles original
art too, which I'm very happy with.

That said, I've not got the new issue of Revolution yet so I can't
wait to see the art in question!

Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> Sutton wasn't the best choice to take over TERROR from Ploog, but

his

> work on FHC was magnificent.

I agree with that and if I was allowed to give one single Apes comic
strip the deluxe treatment I would love to see a collected edition of
Sutton's FHC (shame they didn't finish it) but presented in a giant,
oversized format, at least twice the size of the Marvel mag pages.
This would be the perfect showcase for it, because his art on FHC,
when compared to everything else he did, is absolutely mindblowing in
the amount of care and attention and detail he put into it.

Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "llamawaxlen" <alan@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> >
> > Sutton wasn't the best choice to take over TERROR from Ploog,

but

> his
> > work on FHC was magnificent.
>
> I agree with that and if I was allowed to give one single Apes

comic

> strip the deluxe treatment I would love to see a collected edition

of

> Sutton's FHC (shame they didn't finish it) but presented in a

giant,

> oversized format, at least twice the size of the Marvel mag pages.
> This would be the perfect showcase for it, because his art on FHC,
> when compared to everything else he did, is absolutely mindblowing

in

> the amount of care and attention and detail he put into it.
>
> Alan
>

I think the difference between Sutton's art on FHC and his Terror
work was ,for him I think, Terror was just an assignment while FHC
meant something to him on some kind of personel level, ( nothing to
do with the fact it was POTA) this just comes through in every brush
stroke he layed down !! It's a strip that vibrates life and is an
affirmation of a shared humanity. Now in the greater scheme of
things does it really matter that his apes didn't look like the
movie versions ? Does art work have to look like a photo ? (Oh the
tyranny of the photo, don't get me started. If some how a photo is
any thing more than ONE representation of reality and
truth.Rembrandt self portraits are often used in arguments
about "realism " when people really mean they think things should
look like photographs, the irony being if you look at the originals
I can't think of a painter less photographic than him,really bold
large brush strokes, wonderful loose work with not a care about
unnecessary "details") Thirty years after Sutton created the work
and a number of years after his death here we are all still talking
about it. He invested a personality in those pages which
unmistakenly came from him and this is my one criticism of Kent
Burles, not that his apes don't look "right" or he has problems with
the form of the apes snouts and has been stated his story telling is
clear, it's just that I get no feeling of a personality
behind the work and even if he drew more to the movie model, got
all the "details right" this would still be the same. Not that this
makes this bad work,it's a commercial assignment the fact that it
may not go beyond this is neither here nor there. The fact that,seen
in this context,Sutton's work does go further is even more
astounding.
I agree Alan a high end reprint would be nice and even
this tight arsed northerner would buy it !! Sadly though I seem to
recall reading that Sutton had given away all the art pages so even
if it was ever reprinted I doubt that the quality would be that good
but we can hope... If drawing and painting are to have meaning in
this world beyond just entertainment they've at least shown us
that...
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> -- I wouldn't be surprised that what he meant was that he didn't pour
> over endless amounts of photographs in order to get all the details

spot

> on (as a certain English bloke living Downunder does!) ;-) I'm sure

he

> would have known what they did look like in the movies but being the
> great artist he is he went ahead and adapted stuff to how he was

happy

> drawing them.
>
> Neil
>
>

Yeah,your probably right Neil. Ploog had also just finished working
for Will Eisner on P*S magazine which they produced under contract for
the US military all about careful maintenance of army kit, I'd have
thought that his visual memory for how uniforms etc looked and worked
was pretty good after that !!!
Best Graham.

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In a message dated 7/7/2006 10:15:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Maybe involving a breakaway sect of the mutants who
want to find some way to coexist with their simian neighbors, rather
than seeing them as the "filthy animals" and "disgusting creatures"

 

Well there were 3 possibilities...

 

Ape / Mutant Hybrid

Ape / Human Hybrid

Ape / Taylor Hybrid

 

Any other theories on the

direction they going with it?

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: luke_the_drifter52

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:20 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists

My favorite is the groups own Neil! I have never seen any art work
that looks more real and life like than Neils!
John

In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> All this talk about favorite Ape artists is very interesting in
that
> there are so many varying opinions.
>
> Its very hard to nail down absolutes on something based on personal
> preferences, but here are my 2 cents worth.
>
> I have two artists that will always be my 2 favorites for
different reasons.
>
> One is Ploog. Why? While few (if any) will deny that he just drew
great
> apes, I suspect that some of the of that story is based the fact
that
> his Terror was the first time I (and I know many of you) got a
chance to
> see Apes in comic format. The fact that those first installments of
> Terror were just awesome stories to boot sure helped. But he had
the
> advantage of doing it first and first impressions in this case,
last
> forever. I still remember fondly holding that first issue and
reading
> Terror and just being blown away by both the art and the story. His
> 'hooded' gorillas and the literal terror some of those images
illicited
> will never be forgotten. Nuff said.
>
> The other artist is our own Neil here. Neil, being the great Ape
fan
> that he is pours everything he's got into those ape drawings of
his and
> it shows every time. His character/actor based apes are all spot
on, and
> his original apes fit right in with the contemporary style. He's
got the
> talent to draw the perfect ape, and he couldn't draw a sloppy ape
if he
> tried. (Remember the fracas I raised when he mentioned he was
going to
> change his style? How silly my worries were.)
>
> I won't go into all of the other artist who've done apes over the
years
> but since Burles was mentioned because of his new story in
RotPotA, I'll
> say this. I like his art. True, it is not as accurate as Neil's
art, or
> as dramatic as Ploog, but he sure is a lot better than some others
that
> worked on the old Adventure series, and while they certainly are
more in
> his own personal style (its the separation between the eyes and the
> overall 'droopyness' of the faces), they are all
definitely 'classic' apes.
>
> I also want to make it clear that while a lot of people really put
down
> the old Adventure series, I still maintain that they are enjoyable
when
> read in a lighthearted manner. I'd rather reread them than a lot of
> other 'high profile' garbage that have appeared on comic store
shelves
> over the years. They seemed that they were rushed in many ways and
there
> was a lot left to be desired in the art, but they tried to come up
with
> decent stories and they were not that far off the mark as some
would be
> lead to believe. Let's just say they never hit the mark. ;)
>
>
> Dario
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@... >
> Date: Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:42 pm
> Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
>
> > No slam taken whatsoever. Honest opinion is the point of the
> > forum, right?
> > And I'm delighted to hear any comments pro or con.
> >
> > I'll still back my man Kent here, and say I was very happy with
the
> > job he
> > did for us. I smiled from ear to ear when the job came in, and
> > smiled again
> > when it came in, in colour. For me, it was a case of enjoying
seeing
> > something connect our series to series of the past. Perhaps it
was
> > a series
> > you guys didn't enjoy (and I'll maintain, it was the writing on
Kent's
> > issues that were a let down. His art was always appealing to
me.),
> > but the
> > sense of continuity was important to me. Like having Chris
Reeve
> > appear on
> > Smallville, in a minor sense.
> >
> > Let me offer this: I'm a comic book artist myself, and enjoy
the
> > craft of
> > storytelling that Kent does very well...And while I agree that
his
> > apesaren't slavishly like the original movie versions, they have
> > their own place
> > in the Ape-verse, along with other versions done through the
years.
> > (Personally I never dug the Tom Sutton POTA strips from Marvel,
though
> > others raved about them. Baffling to me...). In many ways,
it's his
> > willingness to impose a style onto his work that I enjoy, like
Kirby,
> > Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, Fowler, Salgood, and a host of
other "apes
> > artists"over the years have done. He brings something a little
> > different, and a
> > little interesting to the table that has a look that sticks in
your
> > head.
> > My two cents. Anyone willing to agree they found his stuff fun
and
> > charming?
> >
> > Ty the Guy. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway,
> >
> > On 7/8/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK – I do understand and I am probably over-reacting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now I'm going to go away and think about what happens to
someone who
> > > indirectly insults a 600 pound gorilla (seeing as you inked
some
> > of the
> > > stuff I was slamming!). J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm....I hope this gorilla is compassionate!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
> > *On Behalf
> > > Of *Ty Templeton
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, 8 July 2006 2:12 PM
> > > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> > > *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well....
> > >
> > > You're very right, I do appreciate honesty on the boards.
> > >
> > > My take is this. I like Kent's work. I think he has a
charming
> > style> that has it's own groove. There are folks who like Ploog
> > and folks who hate
> > > Ploog etc, and I guess folks who like Kent and don't like
Kent.
> > No artist
> > > is going to please everyone.
> > >
> > > The real deciding factor is that I've known Kent for a zillion
> > years, and
> > > we used to live within a block of each other in Toronto...
back
> > when we were
> > > both young, and the Earth still cooling, I even INKED a panel
or
> > two in one
> > > of Kent's Planet of the Apes comics, ( I can't remember which
> > issue, but it
> > > was a great thrill for the first time, to work on something to
do
> > with the
> > > Planet of the Apes) and it seemed odd that I would work on a
> > Planet of the
> > > Apes comic and NOT invite Kent to participate. I'm fairly
> > certain there
> > > were some folks out there who were nostalgically pleased.
I've
> > received at
> > > least ONE email saying they liked it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: kidro85@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:35 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes.

 

The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.

 

T

 

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:45 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Yup – that really is QUITE an achievement!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kidro85@...
Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2006 5:36 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes.

The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.

T

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

 

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In a message dated 7/9/2006 1:24:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

My favorite is the groups own Neil! I have never seen any art work
that looks more real and life like than Neils!

Ditto John.

Neal's the best there is.

 

 

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In a message dated 7/9/2006 1:21:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

James – if you don't treat Russo as you have treated Rory, myself, Cougar, LordT and many other over the years, then YOU are the pussy!

 

Yeah, but Russo is a famous celebrity.

He took the Gold Medal in the Conclusion Jump.

 

 

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When I first saw Russo's posting in the other group I was tempted to
respond, but decided that I would let it slide.

But since it's been brought up here, I would like to put in my 2 cents.

Pendreigh's book is anything but a last minute, slapped together
reference book that was written to capitalize on the 2001 movie. It is
concise, insightfull and provides some data not found anywhere else. I
hold it in the highest esteem and would recommend it to anyone wishing
to learn more about POTA.

I also think that Russo's POTA revisited is a good book and equally
deserving of praise, but I must admit that his namecalling of
competing authors has diminished my views for the author himself. I
think it was petty, and unwarranted. To say that his book was better
simply because he had access to Heston while Pendreigh did not, is
simply ridiculous. If he had access that Pendreigh did not, then he
should consider himself lucky and not boast about it. Even if he
disagreed with Pendreigh's version (ie Heston putdowns), he
could 'politely' discuss his objections without resorting to
namecalling.

Dario

PS: Can't anyone in POTA fandom just getting along? (I hate it when I
have to resort to 2001 quotes!)

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In a message dated 7/10/2006 2:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, darios@... writes:

PS: Can't anyone in POTA fandom just getting along?

 

That's the question the movie asked.

Not only can't humans get along, but

apes can't either.  Especially since they

are aping human society.  They've copied

it's flaws as well.  Right down to the prejudices.

That's what even the book, was all about.  No one

can even agree to disagree without it getting personal.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 12:50 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
 Ploog had also just finished working
for Will Eisner on P*S magazine which they produced under contract for
the US military all about careful maintenance of army kit, I'd have
thought that his visual memory for how uniforms etc looked and worked
was pretty good after that !!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 12:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists

  I agree. Neil rules the "Planet"!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> -- I also read somewhere that he was brought up working with horses

(or

> at least being around them a lot of the time) in his younger days and
> has always been fond of them which explains why he draws such great
> looking horses in his strips and pictures, also without reference
> apparently.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> Yeah, I'd forgotten that !! Did stunt work for western TV shows as a

teenager, joined the Marines for 10 years where he ends up doing rodeo
for awhile, because they had a horse handling classification.
He certainly got around when he was younger.
Best Graham.

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PS: Can't anyone in POTA fandom just getting along? (I hate it when I
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I know a guy who has the international not official restored version, its not the best quality, but very cool.

 

T

 

 

In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:42:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   The restored "Superman 2" isn't out yet. Warner Bros. has been having a "Superman" party all year but the movie didn't do as well as expected. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: kidro85@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:35 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes.

 

The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.

 

T

 

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

 

 

 

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Cool

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:45:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Warners is releasing the "Superman 2" "Donner" version at the end of the year (major special editions like they did with "Batman" last year) so it's too soon to comment on the quality. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:45 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Yup – that really is QUITE an achievement!

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kidro85@...
Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2006 5:36 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Off Topic , but cool

Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes.

The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.

T

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman2/real_s2/ric/default.asp

 

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In a message dated 7/10/2006 4:26:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

which explains why he draws such great looking horses in his strips

 

Speaking of strips with horses . . .

Will we ever see the conclusion of

Before the Planet of the Apes?

 

 

 

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Hi T

I dare say we will.

It is an important one to us both and you of course.

However the priority has to be our new project which is (according to many) POTA, but does not require the logo or the title and can arguably be published independently without Fox getting involved.

So you can see that all our resources are currently going into this.

We have not been rushing to share with the group because when we showed the first 3 pages we didn't get much encouragement or comment, so we essentially assume that (unless stated otherwise) people aren't too interested, and that's OK.

Michael

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To: "PotaDG@yahoogroups.com" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
Date: 12/07/06 00:50

In a message dated 7/10/2006 4:26:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

which explains why he draws such great looking horses in his strips

 

Speaking of strips with horses . . .

Will we ever see the conclusion of

Before the Planet of the Apes?

 

 

 

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.html.html In a message dated 7/11/06 7:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I totally agree with you here.

Both books sit on my shelf.



Michael






I like both books too.

Russo is very bitter about his book.  It took forever to find anyone interested in publishing it, he didn't make a dime off it, and the remake stunk to high heaven and has killed interest in APES.  I'm not sure what he hoped to happen, but it hasn't and he's pretty pissed off.

As for me -- I couldn't care less.  Many of you here wish that POTA wasn't a "dead franchise," but that's what it's been since 1976!  I knew it was over then... and that was that.  I've learned to live with it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:18 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

I totally agree with you here.

Both books sit on my shelf.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

Pendreigh's book is anything but a last minute, slapped together reference book that was written to capitalize on the 2001 movie. It is
concise, insightfull and provides some data not found anywhere else. I hold it in the highest esteem and would recommend it to anyone wishing
to learn more about POTA.

I also think that Russo's POTA revisited is a good book and equally deserving of praise.................

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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:21 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Pendreigh vs Heston

In a message dated 7/11/06 7:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I totally agree with you here.

Both books sit on my shelf.



Michael






I like both books too.

Russo is very bitter about his book.  It took forever to find anyone interested in publishing it, he didn't make a dime off it, and the remake stunk to high heaven and has killed interest in APES.  I'm not sure what he hoped to happen, but it hasn't and he's pretty pissed off.

As for me -- I couldn't care less.  Many of you here wish that POTA wasn't a "dead franchise," but that's what it's been since 1976!  I knew it was over then... and that was that.  I've learned to live with it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:02 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes eh Rory?

I guess he had hoped to make his fortune from sales but I can almost bet total sales were under 1000.

Michael

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Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Pendreigh vs Heston

I like both books too.

Russo is very bitter about his book.  It took forever to find anyone interested in publishing it, he didn't make a dime off it, and the remake stunk to high heaven and has killed interest in APES.  I'm not sure what he hoped to happen, but it hasn't and he's pretty pissed off.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:18 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

I totally agree with you here.

Both books sit on my shelf.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

Pendreigh's book is anything but a last minute, slapped together reference book that was written to capitalize on the 2001 movie. It is
concise, insightfull and provides some data not found anywhere else. I hold it in the highest esteem and would recommend it to anyone wishing
to learn more about POTA.

I also think that Russo's POTA revisited is a good book and equally deserving of praise.................

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil T Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:12 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists

-- Thanks Jeff and everyone else for their kind words of praise but remember I am an Apes fan first and foremost and as such always wanted to draw Apes strips that were true to the source material.

Like a few have noted, a lot of the artists over the years were paid to draw a comic strip that happened to be Planet of the Apes and to most of them it would have been just another assignment and nothing more. In fact from a few of the interviews I have read over the years some have even stated that they were NOT Apes fans and knew very little about the world of intelligent apes.

 

This is not to take away from the fantastic work most of them have done but I can see why they would not go all out for accuracy and completely understand why. And let's not forget that we have been very lucky as Apes fans to have been (and still are!) blessed with strips from some of the industry's top talents!

 

Neil

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 12:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists

  I agree. Neil rules the "Planet"!

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This is why I am so anti the people who pretend his tiny petition had an influence over the full version of BATTLE being

ABSOLUTELY True!!! I think the whole petition thing was bullsh*t from the get go... That's why I didn't (and wouldn't) take that one seriously...<.html

Isnt that the one with a picture and short bio of you in it? Whats
the author's name? "Hoefstad" or something like that.

I've got them all including this one, but for some reason it was a bit
tougher finding it (eventually got it off ebay). I assumed that
because it was so scarce that it hardly sold well at all, but if you
say that it did better than Russo's Revisited, then Revisited may have
done poorly.

Ironically Russo's revisited book was the only one I bought right off
the bookstore shelf myself. I cringed a bit at the price (hey remember
I pay the artificially inflated Canadian rate) but only for a minute
or two.

The 'Unofficial Companion' is definitely more of a pure fan endeavor
and is not as fact filled as the others, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: veetus@...
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

> I don't know sales figures but maybe "POTA:Unofficial Companion"
> did better. It was the only book released before POTA2001 came out
> and might have capitalized on the anticipation. It seemed to be
> the one stores ordered because it was cheaper. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:02 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston
>
>
>
> Welcome to the Planet of the Apes eh Rory?
>
>
> I guess he had hoped to make his fortune from sales but I can
> almost bet total sales were under 1000.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Haristas@...
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:21 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Pendreigh vs Heston
>
>
>
> I like both books too.
>
> Russo is very bitter about his book. It took forever to find
> anyone interested in publishing it, he didn't make a dime off it,
> and the remake stunk to high heaven and has killed interest in
> APES. I'm not sure what he hoped to happen, but it hasn't and
> he's pretty pissed off.
>
>
> --
>
>

Oh I asked for that one :)
ok lets try that again... He certainly travelled around alot and did
interesting things when he was younger.
(note to self re read posts before sending !!)
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> What a tart! :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Graham Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 8:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Revolution
>
> He certainly got around when he was younger.
>
>
> Best Graham.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> OK I agree to an extent - but again I ask....would Trekkies allow a
> similar thing to happen? Would anyone try to do this to a Star

Trek

> comic?
>
> Michael

I think this has to be put in some kind of historical context.
In '75 the only Star Trek comics had been the Gold Key versions
where such things as the Enterprise landing on planets were common.
The costumes were often wrong and I think most of the artists had
never seen the show. The difference between POTA and Trek comics at
this time was that out of this benign neglect we got some great
idiosyncratic work for apes and arguably some bad comics for Trek.
Now ofcourse it's a different time, I doubt any licensee would be
given as much rope as they were in the '70s.
Best Graham.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of Neil T Foster
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 7:12 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Disarmed} RE: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists
>
> Like a few have noted, a lot of the artists over the years were

paid to

> draw a comic strip that happened to be Planet of the Apes and to

most of

> them it would have been just another assignment and nothing more.

In

> fact from a few of the interviews I have read over the years some

have

> even stated that they were NOT Apes fans and knew very little

about the

> world of intelligent apes.
>
> This is not to take away from the fantastic work most of them have

done

> but I can see why they would not go all out for accuracy and

completely

> understand why. And let's not forget that we have been very lucky

as

> Apes fans to have been (and still are!) blessed with strips from

some of

> the industry's top talents!
>
> Neil
>

>

I found all three at a local bookstore and about wet
myself! Loved them all although I have to say I like
Russo's best just because of all the pics and it
seemed more thourough.......but all were greatly
welcomed~!

Tim

--- Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

>
> Isnt that the one with a picture and short bio of
> you in it? Whats
> the author's name? "Hoefstad" or something like
> that.
>
> I've got them all including this one, but for some
> reason it was a bit
> tougher finding it (eventually got it off ebay). I
> assumed that
> because it was so scarce that it hardly sold well at
> all, but if you
> say that it did better than Russo's Revisited, then
> Revisited may have
> done poorly.
>
> Ironically Russo's revisited book was the only one I
> bought right off
> the bookstore shelf myself. I cringed a bit at the
> price (hey remember
> I pay the artificially inflated Canadian rate) but
> only for a minute
> or two.
>
> The 'Unofficial Companion' is definitely more of a
> pure fan endeavor
> and is not as fact filled as the others, but I
> enjoyed it nonetheless.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: veetus@...
> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston
>
> > I don't know sales figures but maybe
> "POTA:Unofficial Companion"
> > did better. It was the only book released before
> POTA2001 came out
> > and might have capitalized on the anticipation. It
> seemed to be
> > the one stores ordered because it was cheaper. - -
> - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Whitty
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:02 AM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston
> >
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the Planet of the Apes eh Rory?
> >
> >
> > I guess he had hoped to make his fortune from
> sales but I can
> > almost bet total sales were under 1000.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Haristas@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:21 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Pendreigh vs
> Heston
> >
> >
> >
> > I like both books too.
> >
> > Russo is very bitter about his book. It took
> forever to find
> > anyone interested in publishing it, he didn't make
> a dime off it,
> > and the remake stunk to high heaven and has killed
> interest in
> > APES. I'm not sure what he hoped to happen, but
> it hasn't and
> > he's pretty pissed off.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>

I just received a copy of
"Apesfan" that I had won on ebay...the Roddy
tribute......Haven't read it yet but just wanted to
send kudos out to any out there that were
involved.....Kruger and Alan Maxwell, P. Tilton are a
few of the names I recognize!. ..
.It looks GREAT! and to have interviews
with Roddy, Kim, Don Pedro, Natalie, Bobby Porter AND
Ted Post in the same issue is incredible! I know we
(in this or another group) have talked about this fine
zine before but now that I have seen it, just wanted
to acknowledge it!
Tim

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>
> Alan,
>
> Are you (or is anyone) any closer to discovering

where Marvel were going

> with FHC and other unfinished POTA stories like

TERROR?

Sadly not, though not for lack of trying. I don't
like to say it but I have real doubts that we'll
ever find out for sure. That isn't going to stop
people trying to find out though!

And since someone brought up the example of Star
Trek comics, I feel duty bound to point out the
ironic piece of trivia. One man who did a load of
work for DC's Star Trek comic was... Tom Sutton.

If you want a perfect example of the difference
between "just an assignment" and creating a comic
that you actually care about, just compare Star
Trek's Tom Sutton to FHC's Tom Sutton. It's almost
like two different artists (although to be fair,
Marvel's B&W mag format suited his art better).

Alan

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 9:19 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

I totally agree with you here.

Both books sit on my shelf.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 3:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Pendreigh vs Heston

 I cringed a bit at the price (hey remember
I pay the artificially inflated Canadian rate) but only for a minute
or two.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 4:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Favorite Ape artists

 I doubt any licensee would be
given as much rope as they were in the '70s.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Tom Sutton

What a wonderful range of opinions!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] SPY vs SPY

ABSOLUTELY True!!! I think the whole petition thing was bullsh*t from the get go... That's why I didn't (and wouldn't) take that one seriously...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Favorite Ape artists

Then I guess it would not actually be fair if you got PAID to do this!  J

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 9:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] SPY vs SPY

No wonder I’m selling up and moving on.

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