I have them and I believe they're uncut, although obviously I don't
have copies of the original broadcasts to compare them to. When I
watched the Sci-Fi broadcasts of these episodes back in the 90s I
noticed right away that bits had been cut, but didn't get the same
feeling watching these. It seems to me that everything's there. They
clock in at 25 minutes each, which is about the right time for half-
hour shows, minus commercials, from that era. I'd watched Hunter's set
not too long before watching the discs from the Ultimate set, and
there was nothing that appeared in Hunter's set that was missing from
the Ultimate set. I'd say you were pretty safe to buy these when they
come out in October, as long as they're either dupes of the Ultimate
discs or mastered from the same elements used for the Ultimate discs.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Does anybody here have the DVDs of the cartoon from the boxed set?
If so,
> are these the COMPLETE episodes, or are they cut up? I ask cause
there are now
> some shows coming out on DVD that are the "syndicated" versions
which are
> chopped up to show more commercials... I just want to make sure the
RETURN
> series isn't cut up when I buy it when it's finally released
seperately...
>

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Sent: Friday, 28 July 2006 6:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A RETURN question

I have them and I believe they're uncut, although obviously I don't
have copies of the original broadcasts to compare them to. When I
watched the Sci-Fi broadcasts of these episodes back in the 90s I
noticed right away that bits had been cut, but didn't get the same
feeling watching these. It seems to me that everything's there. They
clock in at 25 minutes each, which is about the right time for half-
hour shows, minus commercials, from that era. I'd watched Hunter's set
not too long before watching the discs from the Ultimate set, and
there was nothing that appeared in Hunter's set that was missing from
the Ultimate set. I'd say you were pretty safe to buy these when they
come out in October, as long as they're either dupes of the Ultimate
discs or mastered from the same elements used for the Ultimate discs.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:16 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Dora

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Neil :- )

 

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Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2006 5:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
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Hey, at least she not a Power Ranger.  These guys, especially the monsters - bad guys, nearly drove me insane with laughter. I know, that kind of sounds cheesy.

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Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article" from
I'm guessing around 1974??

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/15/06 7:41:00 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Isn't your last name Monteith? I was digging
> through
> > stuff and found newsletters from the Roddy
> McDowall
> > fan club started by a Patrick White (does anyone
> know
> > him?) and in the back of the initial mailing
> booklet
> > was an 'article' titled "Roddy McDowall: An Ape to
> > remember" by Rory Monteith!
> >
>
> I must have wrote it then! I have no memory of it!
> Mmmm.... wonder what I
> wrote?!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

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.html.html In a message dated 7/28/06 4:20:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article" from
I'm guessing around 1974??

That's amazing!  I have absolutely NO memory of having written that, and yet I did, it's me (misspellings and all).  I think it was from around '75 or '76 though, something I must have knocked off very quickly, then forgotten about.  I can't say I really remember writing the letters that got published in the Marvel comics either, but I kind of remember feeling that I had to write them, as I had no one to talk about my fixation with.  All I can say was that back in those days I was REALLY into APES.

Thanks for posting that!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Must have been too many drugs!
I wonder what happened to that Patrick White fella who
started that club?

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/28/06 4:20:50 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
> > Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article"
> from
> > I'm guessing around 1974??
> >
>
> That's amazing! I have absolutely NO memory of
> having written that, and yet
> I did, it's me (misspellings and all). I think it
> was from around '75 or '76
> though, something I must have knocked off very
> quickly, then forgotten about.
> I can't say I really remember writing the letters
> that got published in the
> Marvel comics either, but I kind of remember feeling
> that I had to write them,
> as I had no one to talk about my fixation with. All
> I can say was that back
> in those days I was REALLY into APES.
>
> Thanks for posting that!
>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 7/29/2006 11:45:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

I wonder what happened to that Patrick White fella who
started that club?

 

Maybe he changed his name to Tilton.

 

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This list of Top Movie Endings has POTA just three behind Citizen Cane...

though I don't agree with some of their choices.  I hate "it was all a dream" endings.

 

 

filmcritic.com: The Top 50 Movie Endings of All Time

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.html.html In a message dated 7/29/06 7:42:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

This list of Top Movie Endings has POTA just three behind Citizen Cane...
though I don't agree with some of their choices.  I hate "it was all a dream" endings.


filmcritic.com: The Top 50 Movie Endings of All Time

When I first saw PLANET, and I was only eight years old, I remember thinking during the movie that this would end with Taylor waking up in the spaceship, because I saw him go to sleep at the beginning, and discover it was all a dream.  That's one of the reasons the actual ending was so especially chilling for me.

Of course, if the ending I thought of had happened I'd have wanted to have him discover that the spaceship had crashed just as it had in his dream and now he had to live the nightmare all over again.  Talk about a time loop!

Science Fiction movies had done that ending before though -- the original INVADERS FROM MARS (1954).

-- Rory<.html <.html

Could it be... Gwyneth Paltrow?

"What's in the box!!!"

This won't make any sense unless you've seen
"SE7EN"...

Patrick


--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>
>

What was the name of this old POTA fanzine, by chance?
What other articles were in it?

I have no "familiararity" with this particular
fanzine... ;)

Patrick


--- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article"
> from
> I'm guessing around 1974??
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/15/06 7:41:00 AM Eastern
> > Daylight Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Isn't your last name Monteith? I was digging
> > through
> > > stuff and found newsletters from the Roddy
> > McDowall
> > > fan club started by a Patrick White (does anyone
> > know
> > > him?) and in the back of the initial mailing
> > booklet
> > > was an 'article' titled "Roddy McDowall: An Ape
> to
> > > remember" by Rory Monteith!
> > >
> >
> > I must have wrote it then! I have no memory of
> it!
> > Mmmm.... wonder what I
> > wrote?!!!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>

It was simply a Roddy fan club....They sent an initial
"zine"...really a colllection of xeroxed pics, credits
etc...then sent newletters to follow keeping us up to
date on what Roddy was up to.....I got maybe 5
newsletters....postmarks range from 75 to 78

--- Patrick Tilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
wrote:

> What was the name of this old POTA fanzine, by
> chance?
> What other articles were in it?
>
> I have no "familiararity" with this particular
> fanzine... ;)
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article"
> > from
> > I'm guessing around 1974??
> >
> > --- Haristas@... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 7/15/06 7:41:00 AM Eastern
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > whitty@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Isn't your last name Monteith? I was digging
> > > through
> > > > stuff and found newsletters from the Roddy
> > > McDowall
> > > > fan club started by a Patrick White (does
> anyone
> > > know
> > > > him?) and in the back of the initial mailing
> > > booklet
> > > > was an 'article' titled "Roddy McDowall: An
> Ape
> > to
> > > > remember" by Rory Monteith!
> > > >
> > >
> > > I must have wrote it then! I have no memory of
> > it!
> > > Mmmm.... wonder what I
> > > wrote?!!!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> >
> > >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

> Also.... No way I'd ever do a book with Patrick.
>
> -- Rory

*** I can't see myself co-writing any POTA novel or novelization with
anybody else, either -- be it Rory or any other fellow fan here. I'm
working on my project as a labor of love, and my project involves all
the pre-Burton filmed POTA movies (PLANET to BATTLE) and the 14 TV
episodes. Rory, however much he may appreciate the sequels to a very
lesser degree, has not refrained from bashing 'em and seems to wish
they had never been made. Recently there was his notion of the 1968
film having the "right" to be a stand-alone work, divorced from any
association with BENEATH and the rest.

Well, I love all of 'em, from the 1st "PLANET OF THE APES" all the
way through "UP ABOVE THE WORLD SO HIGH", faults and all. "PLANET"
was and is still the best of them, but I wouldn't give up the others
for all the money in Fort Knox.

Speaking of which, I could've used some a-that money at the San Diego
COMICCON last weekend! There's so much damn cool stuff there that
there's never enough cash in the bank to spend on it. I did place an
order for the various Sideshow POTA figures I hadn't yet acquired
(and, ordering 'em then-and-there at the Sideshow booth, I was able
to get 'em for a discount and free shipping; they're due to arrive
within the week, fingers crossed...)

A few things I picked up:

1) Issue 12 of the MARVEL magazine (the first one with Future History
Chronicles in it), to replace the worn-out one I bought wayyyy back
when it was on the newsstand. Only $10, down from the $15 sticker the
vendor had originally asked for. As Eric Idle says in "MONTY PYTHON'S
LIFE OF BRIAN", "You've got to haggle!"

2) The Spring 1969 issue of "CASTLE OF FRANKENSTEIN" (which had a 5-
page article on PLANET as well as a cover pic of Zaius next to the
Lawgiver statue).

3) Issue 80 of "FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND" (with an article on
BENEATH). Incidentally, the writer of that article has this to say
about the merits of BENEATH:

"sequel equal of original

There have been few great sequels.
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN comes to mind as one.
BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES is certainly another. Your reviewer
caught the preview with FM's editor and was very enthusiastic about
it."

On the cover, it reads: "BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES"
and "EXCITING SEQUAL!" Either "sequel" is misspelled unintentionally
(a typo), or it is another in a long line of Forry Ackerman puns:
SEQUEL + EQUAL = SEQUAL!

Keep in mind, folks, that BENEATH is the sort of picture that a
FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND movie reviewer was prone to appreciate. I
don't think BENEATH is "equal" to PLANET, but it is still -- despite
its flaws -- a damned good film, entertaining and thought-provoking,
with an ending that shocked audiences perhaps almost as much as the
ending of PLANET.

4) I, too, got a signed photo from Don Pedro Colley. I'll scan it in
and send it in a later post. The only other POTA actor who was there
(when I went through the signing area) was Marc Singer (of
BEASTMASTER fame, though we know him from "THE GLADIATORS"). I didn't
see any photo from that POTA episode, however, so I didn't shell out
the dough for Marc's autograph. It's funny, but last year his 'dad'
(William Smith = Tolar) was there signing and selling autographs, but
he too didn't have a pic of himself as Tolar, so I didn't bother
getting his autograph either. All they had to do was have a pic from
their POTA episode there, and I'd have gladly bought it and had it
signed... but they don't seem to think that POTA fans are out there
willing to cough up the cash. Too bad...

--------

After doing COMICCON, I went up to LA for a few days to meet with a
cousin and her family. There's a bookstore called ACRES OF BOOKS on
Long Beach Blvd, and I was able to find 2 hardcover Boulle
novels, "THE VIRTUES OF HELL" and "THE GOOD LEVIATHAN". Only $10 for
the two of 'em... not a bad deal.

We drove around the PCH, though we didn't stop at Zuma Beach & Point
Dume again, like last year. We did drive along the Malibu Creek road
that goes through the Malibu Creek State Park, but jeez louise it was
so damned hot and humid that we didn't have any desire to hike along
the horse trails to try to find the POTA filming locations there.
I'll have to visit southern California when it ain't unseasonably
miserable weather. Over 100 people have died in the last couple of
weeks from the heat and humidity, so I was happy to stay inside an
air-conditioned car through most of that drive up from San Diego up
to LA and back.

Hmmm... what else? Oh, at COMICCON there was virtually no POTA stuff
represented there. Sideshow's booth displayed most of their line of
goodies... but no POTA figures. They had the license to do POTA stuff
for a limited time, and that time seems to have run out and they have
no plans to do any others. At least they had back-stock of stuff for
me to order (at discount rates).

I did meet Tom Fowler ever-so-briefly at the Artists Alley area. I
told him I liked his artwork for REVOLUTION ON THE POTA. He seems
like a nice guy.

I got to meet Jim Steranko at the Vanguard Press booth. Steranko may
not be a POTA-related dude, but he's one of the greats in comics. One
stretch here... Steranko's comic-art style influenced Paul Gulacy,
who later did a cover illustration for one of the PLANET OF THE APES
comics about 15 years ago. Steranko was very engaging, fun to talk
to, not condescending in any way, and very appreciative of his fans.
He told me (in "confidence") that he's been trying to get DC comics
to let him do a BATMAN project of his own, but they're not keen on
it, for some reason. Jim Steranko. Wants to do a Batman project. DC
doesn't seem to care. What part of this equation doesn't add up???
You'd think they'd be jumping through hoops to let him do his thing.
It's money in the bank -- there are Steranko fans who would buy those
Batman comics he wants to do, but DC probably has a bug up their ass
regarding the direction they want to take the Batman character... and
giving Steranko carte blanche to do what HE wants to do with this
character -- well, for some idiotic reason they're skittish. So, if
you dig Steranko's work and want to see a Steranko BATMAN comic
project get off and running, drop DC comics a line (snail mail or
email) and tell 'em to get their heads outta their asses.

I wish Mike Ploog would've been there, since I'd have LOVED to tell
him how terrific his POTA art was. Doug Moench I'd like to meet one
day, too, to tell him I dug his original POTA stories. Maybe they'll
be at next year's COMIC-CON...?

One last thing: I fly out of a too-hot and too-humid southern
California to head back home to Fargo... only to find that Fargo is
just as goddamned hot and just as motherf***ingly humid as San Diego
and LA were!

Damn! I need a vacation from my vacation!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Two things I'll add: the "Apes" Inkworks cards did have new images

and were well done. Plus "Apes" has not been done to death on cards
like the two Stars, Wars and Trek. I don't know how well they did but
supposedly there was going to be a second set and it never materialized
so I assume they didn't hit their mark.

> And "Star Trek" is far from over. I heard at Comic Con there was a

teaser poster for the new movie reboot (2008) that went over well. Trek
and Wars are still the big kids on the block, though I don't know how
well Trek does with children. - - - Jeff

*** It'd be nice to see a new POTA set of cards, but not the size of
those TOPPS cards. I'm talkin' WIDESCREEN cards. Get a boatload of
frame-grabs from the movies and make a bunch of cards from 'em. And
don't clutter up the pic with descriptive word-balloons. I've seen
similar sets of cards for STAR WARS (etc), so why not for POTA???

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2006 11:45:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> I wonder what happened to that Patrick White fella who started that

club?

>
> Maybe he changed his name to Tilton.

*** Maybe NOT.

Nope, it wasn't me. I didn't belong to any club with a newsletter or
fanzine. It was just me, my brother, and a friend of ours. Of course,
being preteen kids, we were big into playing Gorillas from PLANET OF
THE APES. We each gave ourselves club-personas based on the major
gorillas-in-power in the POTA shows. I got to be Ursus, our friend
got to be Urko, and my brother (by default) settled for being Aldo.

Imagine a bunch of 9 or 10-year-old kids runnin' around with toy
rifles -- way back when, when I had more adrenaline in my body --
pretending to be war-mongering gorillas chasing humans. That was us,
at least in Fargo. I'm sure there were many MANY other impressionable
brats around the country (and over in Britain) going "ape" over POTA
in similar ways.

Then "JAWS" happened... then "STAR WARS"... and soon, nobody around
seemed to give a damn about POTA. >Sigh<

Patrick

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In a message dated 7/30/2006 9:49:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Science Fiction movies had done that ending before though

 

I still don't like it.

It's a cheap writer's ploy.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 7/30/06 12:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

It was simply a Roddy fan club....They sent an initial
"zine"...really a colllection of xeroxed pics, credits
etc...then sent newletters to follow keeping us up to
date on what Roddy was up to.....I got maybe 5
newsletters....postmarks range from 75 to 78

There were all kinds of fan clubs like that in those days.  One person operations.  They would advertise for members in "Famous Monsters of Filmland" or "Monster Times" magazines or such.  They usually didn't last long.  I remember there was a POTA one.  I wrote something for that too.

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.html.html In a message dated 7/30/06 12:56:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

We did drive along the Malibu Creek road
that goes through the Malibu Creek State Park, but jeez louise it was
so damned hot and humid that we didn't have any desire to hike along
the horse trails to try to find the POTA filming locations there.

I don't know, sounds like the real POTA would feel a lot like that.  I would have loved it.  What a puss you are, Patrick!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Do you have any material from the POTA one? Who ran
it?

--- Haristas@... wrote:
. I remember

> there was a POTA one. I wrote something for that
> too.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/30/06 12:56:17 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > We did drive along the Malibu Creek road that goes

through the Malibu Creek State Park, but jeez louise
it was so damned hot and humid that we didn't have any
desire to hike along the horse trails to try to find
the POTA filming locations there.

>
>
> I don't know, sounds like the real POTA would feel a

lot like that. I would have loved it. What a puss you
are, Patrick!

>
> -- Rory

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If I'm not mistaken, you live in Florida, right? That
means you're acclimated to hotter temperatures from
the get-go.

I live in Fargo. That's in North Dakota. We get WINTER
here big-time. Lasts about 5 months. Gets down to 90
below Fahrenheit if you factor in the Wind Chill. In
the summer (like now) the temps can get up to 100
degrees Fahrenheit (like TODAY, in fact). That's a
range in temperature of about 200 f***ing degrees. How
much of a range in temperature do you Floridians go
through every year? Is it "cold" when it gets down to
40 degrees? My sister lives in a suburb of Miami and
when I hear her say it's "cold" there and the temp is
only 40 degrees, I laugh my ass off. In Fargo, a
winter temp of 40 degrees is balmy. A Floridian would
be wearing a sweater and shivering while a Fargoan
would be wearing a tee-shirt and shorts and be playing
volleyball like it's Baywatch!

You used to live in New York City, right? So you know
what snow is. You've probably experienced sub-freezing
weather before, I'd guess. You now live in Florida,
where I doubt they ever experience temps below the
freezing point, even in winter.

Last year, in San Diego, the temps were terrific --
not too hot, with nice breezes from the ocean to keep
things relatively cool in July. This year it is
unseasonably hot and humid (and over 100 people have
died in California from this heat wave). The extremes
of temperature tend to wipe me out, either too hot or
too cold. Like Goldilocks, I like it when the temps
are in-between those extremes. Too hot (and humid),
and it wipes me out.

You're used to Florida weather, so maybe you WOULD
have loved traipsing around Malibu Creek State Park
pretending to be a member of Nova's tribe.

But try spending a couple of the coldest months of the
year in the Plains states enduring 90 below wind
chills before you dare call me a puss, you Gulf Coast
galoot!

Patrick

I went to Mel Gibson's "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"
when it came to theaters. I acknowledge that it is a
well-crafted film. I actually like that he sought to
make it as realistic as possible by using the original
languages (Aramaic, Latin, etc) rather than having
actors recite dialogue in English. Kudos for that.

He was accused (by some) of having anti-semitic
tendencies -- most notably because his wacked-out
father Hutton has publicly made anti-semitic remarks,
and Mel the Son hasn't condemned them. Nevertheless,
he denied having any anti-jewish sentiments in regards
to his retro-Catholic religious sensibilities.

I thought that in his movie he had some, uh,
"questionable" elements in it in regards to the
portrayal of Judas Iscariot. He claims that his movie
is true to the Gospels, but nowhere in the Gospels
does it say that Judas was hounded to his death by a
crowd of pestering Jewish children with devil-grimaces
on their faces. That was an artistic interpretation on
Mel's part, telling us more about what was going on
inside Mel's mind than what the authors of the Gospels
had in mind... and I confess that it made me wonder if
Mel was, secretly, a Jew-hating fanatic despite his
talents as an actor and director.

Just the other day, Mel was arrested after speeding in
his Lexus, doing 87 mph in a 45 mph zone at 2:36 a.m.
with a blood-alcohol level of 0.12% (the legal limit
in California being 0.08%). According to MSNBC's
report:

"A leaked arrest report quoted Gibson as saying "The
Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world,"
and asking an arresting officer, James Mee, "Are you a
Jew?"

Hmmm...

I think everybody probably knows SOMEbody who has a
problem with alcohol. It's my experience (never having
gotten drunk) that the people around me who DO get
drunk tend to LOSE INHIBITIONS. In other words, they
do things they, when sober, restrain themselves from
doing ordinarily. They SAY things that ordinarily they
would keep to themselves. They get stupid and -- like
the ugly mutants in BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES --
they "reveal their inmost selves".

Later, when they're hung-over and realize how much of
an ass they've made of themselves, those
newly-inhibited types will try to blame their words or
actions on the booze, when it's NEVER the booze that
originates their thoughts, words, or actions. The
booze merely brings down the inhibitions that keep
secretly-held beliefs from being spoken whilst sober.
Every drunk I've ever known in my life revealed their
truer selves when they were drunk than when they were
sober.

In ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, the sodium
pentothal which is used as a TRUTH SERUM to get Zira
to divulge truths about her world has, according to
Dr. Dixon, "the same effect as Grape Juice Plus" -- as
the booze that got Zira to unwittingly tell Hasslein
the truth about the destruction of the world she'd
witnessed.

The 'Grape Juice Plus' booze... the sodium
pentothal... they got Zira to tell the truth that she
and Cornelius -- while sober -- would have kept from
their enemies.

I think Mel Gibson revealed the truth about his
thoughts and feelings regarding the Jews when he was
arrested for drunk driving. He was plastered. He
ranted about the Jews supposedly being "responsible
for all the wars in the world," blah blah blah.

He's an antisemite. A Jew-hater. A religious lunatic.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. He revealed
his inmost self unto those cops, to us, to his 'God'.
I think his retro-Catholic religion -- despite the
official modern Catholic doctrine currently in vogue
from the Vatican ever since Vatican II -- harbors
antisemitic views, and secretly justifies them by
citing "scripture", and there are plenty of scriptures
in the New Testament gospels that lend themselves to
antisemitic sentiment.

Jesus (ostensibly a Jew in that both Matthew and Luke
in their incompatible genealogies trace his ancestry
back to King David, who was of the tribe of Judah) is
said in Matthew to have been crucified after an
exhortation by a group of "all the people" (of
Jerusalem, i.e. the Jews):

"All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and
on our children!" [Matt. 27:25].

The so-called Prince of Peace was crucified by the
Romans because "all the [Jewish] people [in
Jerusalem]" called out for Pontius Pilate to free
Barabbas and crucify Jesus, and they (in unison, as a
chorus?) call upon Jesus' blood -- i.e. the GUILT
associated with shedding his blood, harkening back to
the blood of innocent Abel shed by the first murderer
Cain -- to be on them [the Jews then living] and on
their children [the Jews living in subsequent
generations].

Thus, there's been two millennia of anti-jew violence
committed by unforgiving Christian antisemites. Guys
who hate the "Christ-killers" as much as Mel sure as
hell seems to. Tradionally, "passion plays" were
staged during Eastertide in Europe, and they were
times when antisemitic violence would tend to erupt,
as self-righteously indignant Christians would avenge
their murdered savior by persecuting the Jews living
as minorities in their countries.

Mel has since tried to apologize for having uttered
"despicable" things to the deputies who arrested him,
but the very words of Mel's 'Savior' speak volumes
about him:

Jesus: "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth
goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But
the things that come out of the mouth come from the
heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the
heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual
immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are
what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed
hands does not make him 'unclean'." [Matthew 15:17-20]

What Mel said when drunk to those cops came from his
heart and out of his mouth. And I honestly don't know
if there's ANYTHING he can say now that will make him
'clean' again. He can apologize all he can, but will
it represent his TRUE beliefs? I think he revealed his
notion of the 'truth' when his booze-loosened yapper
let loose with that slander against the Jews. And I
think the whole friggin' world knows that that's what
he truly believes -- what he denies he believes when
he's sober enough to control his utterances. His
current apology -- pretending that his drunken
anti-jewish rant represents things he "knows" are NOT
true -- is the actual lie. He's lying when he claims
he isn't an antisemite.

"Reveal that truth unto that Maker!" said Mendez just
before all those mutants took off their masks to show
the ugliness of their true faces. Faces which their
very religious hymn refers to as "beautiful": "All
things bright and beautiful / the good Bomb made us
all!"

Mel Gibson is a mutant. I used to like him. He seemed
like a nice guy... liked to pull pranks on fellow
actors during movie shoots... liked to joke around,
live it up, all that. He had (and has) talent as an
actor, and as a director. He won an Oscar for Best
Director for "BRAVEHEART". There's no denying that he
has talent.

And there's now no denying that he's an antisemite.
And a liar, trying to deny his true beliefs which
alcohol prompted outta him. Even Jesus H. Christ says
that what comes outta the mouth comes from the heart
and that THAT makes ya 'unclean'. Even a non-believer
like me has to admit that truer words were never
spoken. Just not by Mel "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"
Gibson. He claimed that after having had a spiritual
crisis, he was 'saved' by Jesus and, hence, was driven
to make that movie about Christ's sacrifice to redeem
Man from Sin. Well, Jesus, in Mel's case you did one
bang-up job of it! What's it been... two years since
"THE PASSION" came out and Mel's relapsed into his
drunkenness of yore? It seems that 'salvation' is a
work-in-progress, rather than an all-at-once
phenomenon. Heckuva job, there, Jesus ol' boy...

I was gonna put "OFF TOPIC" in the Subject header, but
after thinking up those POTA tidbits, it seemed
apropos not to classify it as "OT".

I was rather looking forward to seeing Mel's new movie
"APOCALYPTO" when it comes out, but I don't think I'm
gonna bother. It may very well be a well-made film
worth watching. But a number of years ago a major
motion picture came out that was directed by a guy who
-- unbeknownst to the studio behind the film -- as a
convicted pedophile (the film was called "POWDER", if
I remember right), and though critics thought it was a
good movie, I made a point of not going to it due to
the despicable nature of its director. I'd rather
watch a hardcore XXX gangbang video made by pornstars
who've never touched children inappropriately than a
G-rated family-friendly film made by a convicted
pedophile.

Mel's a talented filmmaker. So was Leni Riefenstahl.
Too bad they have that "Jewish question" in common.

Patrick

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I think Mel Gibson revealed the truth about his
thoughts and feelings regarding the Jews when he was
arrested for drunk driving. He was plastered. He
ranted about the Jews supposedly being "responsible
for all the wars in the world," blah blah blah.

He's an antisemite. A Jew-hater. A religious lunatic.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

If only he hadn't been moved to Australia as a child!  There's something wrong with the water there -- it's a well-know fact!

Gibson is simply nuts.  How can he not be?  Just look at his eyes!  I often imagine that Whitty has that same "look."

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If I'm not mistaken, you live in Florida, right? That
means you're acclimated to hotter temperatures from
the get-go.

I hate the heat and humidity here and would rather be back up in New York.  However, I used to get hey fever every summer up there.  With the heat it was especially miserable.  I don't get hey fever here, so that's one benefit.

I live in Fargo. That's in North Dakota. We get WINTER
here big-time. Lasts about 5 months. Gets down to 90
below Fahrenheit if you factor in the Wind Chill.

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Overall, another great issue... I particularly liked the interviews with the TV apes (although Joanna Barnes and Beverly Garland's answers were pretty much the same thing, but being they were one shot guest stars, you realy can't expect them to have all that much to say...)

 

I really liked the bit about the "what could have been" episodes too...

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 30 July 2006 9:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

 

I hate "it was all a dream" endings.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, 30 July 2006 2:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

I wonder what happened to that Patrick White fella who
started that club?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 29 July 2006 6:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

Here is Rory's Roddy McDowall fan club "article" from
I'm guessing around 1974??

--- Haristas@aol. com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/15/06 7:41:00 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> whitty@cyberone. com.au writes:
>
>
> > Isn't your last name Monteith? I was digging
> through
> > stuff and found newsletters from the Roddy
> McDowall
> > fan club started by a Patrick White (does anyone
> know
> > him?) and in the back of the initial mailing
> booklet
> > was an 'article' titled "Roddy McDowall: An Ape to
> > remember" by Rory Monteith!
> >
>
> I must have wrote it then! I have no memory of it!
> Mmmm.... wonder what I
> wrote?!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 1:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?

Could it be... Gwyneth Paltrow?

"What's in the box!!!"

This won't make any sense unless you've seen
"SE7EN"...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 2:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
*** I can't see myself co-writing any POTA novel or novelization with
anybody else, either -- be it Rory or any other fellow fan here. I'm
working on my project as a labor of love, and my project involves all
the pre-Burton filmed POTA movies (PLANET to BATTLE) and the 14 TV
episodes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 2:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

It was simply a Roddy fan club....They sent an initial
"zine"...really a colllection of xeroxed pics, credits
etc...then sent newletters to follow keeping us up to
date on what Roddy was up to.....

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 2:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

 The only other POTA actor who was there
(when I went through the signing area) was Marc Singer (of
BEASTMASTER fame, though we know him from "THE GLADIATORS") . I didn't
see any photo from that POTA episode, however, so I didn't shell out
the dough for Marc's autograph. It's funny, but last year his 'dad'
(William Smith = Tolar) was there signing and selling autographs, but
he too didn't have a pic of himself as Tolar, so I didn't bother
getting his autograph either. All they had to do was have a pic from
their POTA episode there, and I'd have gladly bought it and had it
signed... but they don't seem to think that POTA fans are out there
willing to cough up the cash. Too bad...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 3:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Wuddint me...

Then "JAWS" happened... then "STAR WARS"... and soon, nobody around
seemed to give a damn about POTA. >Sigh<

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Brandon Kirtley
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 5:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Inkworks Numbers

And make the new set just apes. There's been the Heston set the expensive costume set is all Linda Harrison and there were loads of the original inkwork set that were the astronoats.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 10:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

There were all kinds of fan clubs like that in those days.  One person operations.  They would advertise for members in "Famous Monsters of Filmland" or "Monster Times" magazines or such.  They usually didn't last long.  I remember there was a POTA one.  I wrote something for that too.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 9:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Passion of the Mel

If only he hadn't been moved to Australia as a child!  There's something wrong with the water there -- it's a well-know fact!

Gibson is simply nuts.  How can he not be?  Just look at his eyes!  I often imagine that Whitty has that same "look."

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Brandon Kirtley
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 4:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Dollies

What has happened to Palisades?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 2:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

A few things I picked up:

1) Issue 12 of the MARVEL magazine (the first one with Future History
Chronicles in it), to replace the worn-out one I bought wayyyy back
when it was on the newsstand. Only $10, down from the $15 sticker the
vendor had originally asked for. As Eric Idle says in "MONTY PYTHON'S
LIFE OF BRIAN", "You've got to haggle!"

2) The Spring 1969 issue of "CASTLE OF FRANKENSTEIN" (which had a 5-
page article on PLANET as well as a cover pic of Zaius next to the
Lawgiver statue).

3) Issue 80 of "FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND" (with an article on
BENEATH). Incidentally, the writer of that article has this to say
about the merits of BENEATH:

"sequel equal of original

There have been few great sequels.
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN comes to mind as one.
BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES is certainly another. Your reviewer
caught the preview with FM's editor and was very enthusiastic about
it."

On the cover, it reads: "BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES"
and "EXCITING SEQUAL!" Either "sequel" is misspelled unintentionally
(a typo), or it is another in a long line of Forry Ackerman puns:
SEQUEL + EQUAL = SEQUAL!

Keep in mind, folks, that BENEATH is the sort of picture that a
FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND movie reviewer was prone to appreciate. I
don't think BENEATH is "equal" to PLANET, but it is still -- despite
its flaws -- a damned good film, entertaining and thought-provoking,
with an ending that shocked audiences perhaps almost as much as the
ending of PLANET.

4) I, too, got a signed photo from Don Pedro Colley. I'll scan it in
and send it in a later post. The only other POTA actor who was there
(when I went through the signing area) was Marc Singer (of
BEASTMASTER fame, though we know him from "THE GLADIATORS") . I didn't
see any photo from that POTA episode, however, so I didn't shell out
the dough for Marc's autograph. It's funny, but last year his 'dad'
(William Smith = Tolar) was there signing and selling autographs, but
he too didn't have a pic of himself as Tolar, so I didn't bother
getting his autograph either. All they had to do was have a pic from
their POTA episode there, and I'd have gladly bought it and had it
signed... but they don't seem to think that POTA fans are out there
willing to cough up the cash. Too bad...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 3:38 PM
To: friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Newest issue of Scrolls...

Overall, another great issue... I particularly liked the interviews with the TV apes (although Joanna Barnes and Beverly Garland's answers were pretty much the same thing, but being they were one shot guest stars, you realy can't expect them to have all that much to say...)

 

I really liked the bit about the "what could have been" episodes too...

 

I ~REALLY~ hope that the next issue ~IS~ the hinted at PLANET/BENEATH issue! Don't gte me wrong, I really do like the insights into the TV series, but ya gotta give the first two films their due...

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In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:39:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Overall, another great issue...

 

I'm going to order it now!

What's the address again?

T

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 7:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} RE: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

Maybe it was unofficial?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 7:50 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

I don’t think they advertise these people’s presence.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 12:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

 if the ending I thought of had happened I'd have wanted to have him discover that the spaceship had crashed just as it had in his dream and now he had to live the nightmare all over again.  Talk about a time loop!

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In a message dated 8/1/2006 4:19:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Yeah they always seem like a cop out don't they?

 

I thought about ending mine with an ""It was all a dream" "but no it isn't!""

ending.  But even that seemed like a copout, and went back to work.

Don't cheat your audience out of a good ending, like those films.

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You really don't know who is going to show up at the con until you get
the booklet which gives you programs and the autographs schedual. I
didn't know about Marc Singer or Don Pedro Colley was at the
convention, but when my friend who was also at the con told me about
them.

Kevin

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From: ntfoster@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON



-- Next time you go you will have to find out who will be there signing
and take your own POTA photos of them with you just in case!

Neil


-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, 31 July 2006 2:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON


The only other POTA actor who was there
(when I went through the signing area) was Marc Singer (of
BEASTMASTER fame, though we know him from "THE GLADIATORS"). I didn't
see any photo from that POTA episode, however, so I didn't shell out
the dough for Marc's autograph. It's funny, but last year his 'dad'
(William Smith = Tolar) was there signing and selling autographs, but
he too didn't have a pic of himself as Tolar, so I didn't bother
getting his autograph either. All they had to do was have a pic from
their POTA episode there, and I'd have gladly bought it and had it
signed... but they don't seem to think that POTA fans are out there
willing to cough up the cash. Too bad...



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Send cash 2 me!  :)

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Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Newest issue of Scrolls...
Date: 02/08/06 18:47

In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:39:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@aol. com writes:

Overall, another great issue...

 

I'm going to order it now!

What's the address again?

T

 

 

 

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In a message dated 8/1/06 5:48:00 PM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

I'm going to order it now!

What's the address again?

T,

 

I just sent all of the neccessary information to you on your LordT screen name... Check it and you'll have all the info you need...

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

>
> > I live in Fargo. That's in North Dakota. We get WINTER
> > here big-time. Lasts about 5 months. Gets down to 90
> > below Fahrenheit if you factor in the Wind Chill.
>
> I've also heard that the problem of inbreeding is rampant in the

Fargo area and that, of course, explains a lot. The movie FARGO had
the situation about right, I've read. I wouldn't bring it up,
Patrick!

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I think you're confusing North Dakota with Kentucky or Tennessee. You
know... the banjo-playin' kid in "DELIVERANCE" and all that.

I only saw the movie "FARGO" once, and liked it even though they
overdid the local accent ["Yah y'betcha!"]. But I don't remember
inbreeding being a part of the plot. There was that bit with Peter
Stormare and the woodchipper, but I wouldn't read anything sexual
into that.

You say "The movie FARGO had the situation about right, I've read."
Read where? What 'situation' are ya talkin' about?

Patrick

Still pluggin' away...

A couple things I should point out.

1) In addition to my POTA project, I've also got on the back-burner
several other projects that interest me, including some wholly original
stuff, as well as translations (I've translated acts I, II, and part of
II of CYRANO DE BERGERAC, for instance). My POTA thing, as much as I
love it, is undeniably a 'derivative' work, owing to material
originated by others. When I get burned out working on POTA, I'll go to
one of the other projects, usually after having had a 'eureka' moment
of some sort, which tends to focus my interest on whatever project.

2) My POTA project -- as I've decided to do it -- isn't a 'small' one
by any means. In addition to appendices (maps, chronology, genealogies,
list-of-characters, blueprints, etc), the actual novel will be 'only'
1,000 pages. But each of those pages will be on 8.5" x 11" paper,
landscape format, with 3 columns of text at either 8 or 9 point-size,
in order to fit in all I need to have, which includes Novelizations of
the 5 movies & 14 episodes as well as Original stuff elaborating on all
of it (you know, the 'mothership' stuff... the between-the-movies
information... etc). Each 'page' will be the equivalent of about 4
average paperback novel pages so, for example, the 134-pages of Michael
Avallone's novelization of BENEATH would fit into roughly 33 pages.

My project's 1,000 pages will be organized into 3 main 'books' (i.e.
a 'trilogy' the same way that the LOTR is one novel in 3 chunks, FOTR,
TT, ROTK). Each book will have a 3-page Prologue, 33 10-page Chapters,
and the whole shebang will have a final 1-page Epilogue, for the grand
total of 1,000 pages. Thus, each 10-page chapter will be equivalent
roughly to about 40 pages of a paperback novel, and the entire 1,000-
page opus will correspond to about 4,000 pages of average paperback
length. If each 'book' were to be published separately (as paperback
novels), then each one would be about 1,333 pages long, a few hundred
pages longer than L. Ron Hubbard's BATTLEFIELD EARTH or Stephen King's
THE STAND. Each one broken down into ~ 40-page chapter-chunks, but
still... it's a LOT. I picture the full book, as I'd like to eventually
have it published, being almost a coffee-table book, sort of a folio
edition, but with the pages being 'sideways' [landscape format] rather
than the standard magazine-style, so that the binding is along the 8.5"
side, rather than the 11" side. The appendices (maps & blueprints,
especially) work better this way.

Part I will cover ESCAPE, CONQUEST, and BATTLE (as well as the set-up
for the TV show). The first part of the opening scene of the ESCAPE
screenplay will be the 3-page prologue, where the Ape-onauts launch up
from that 3rd ANSA shuttle's landing site and they witness the
destruction of the Earth and, soon after, experience the Timewarp. The
rest of that scene picks up several chapters in, though, to give me the
opportunity to do back-story chapters on Taylor, the Orion star
information that prompts ANSA to send a mission out there, more on
Hasslein, etc.

Part II will cover the 14 TV show episodes (ending with my '15th'
episode to wrap up the Virdon/Burke/Galen story). One of the challenges
I've had with this was to decide on what I deemed the 'best' order to
put the episodes in. The aired order, the filmed order, they differ.
Unlike the current BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, there was no definite link
from the end of one story to the beginning of the next, save that
ESCAPE TO TOMORROW is the 1st and HORSE RACE follows GLADIATORS (Barlow
being the link). I needed MY order of the episodes to be able to
address the continuity issues (i.e. Burke's 'vest', etc) as well as to
make sense of the travel route of the fugitives: is it haphazard? or
might there not be a pattern, especially after they discover where they
are (Oakland, in THE LEGACY)? When they find Oakland, is that the FIRST
time they realize they're not only on Earth, but also in the USA, in
Southern California? Or had they already known it? In my project,
Virdon will not know where they are until that moment when they find
the Oakland Science Institute, and THAT will help him to devise a
strategy regarding their movements: an attempt to gravitate towards
places which they might take advantage of (say, an ANSA facility within
walking distance of Oakland).

Part III will cover PLANET and BENEATH, and all the plot stuff for the
entire saga will be wrapped up by the last page.

I know Rory ain't too keen on it, so I encourage him to write his own
novelization of PLANET (and ONLY that, since he prefers it as a stand-
alone work). A few years ago he wrote a novelization of PLANET's
opening scene, so he's got it started at least. His version can
be 'canon' for him, and my project will be 'canon' for me, and we can
all be happy little campers!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
-- Any news on how you are going with the mega-book project Patrick?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> *** I can't see myself co-writing any POTA novel or novelization with
anybody else, either -- be it Rory or any other fellow fan here. I'm
working on my project as a labor of love, and my project involves all
the pre-Burton filmed POTA movies (PLANET to BATTLE) and the 14 TV
episodes.

Hey, I don't know if everyone already knew it but the VALUES Planet of
the Apes audio projet is finally availible to download from Cass' TV
site. I've been curious about this prject for a long time and it was
great to finally get to hear it. Great job all involved! If anyone is a
fan of the old POWER book and record sets, I highly recomend
downloading VALUES. Its like getting a new POWER record after 30 years.
Great fun and you can tell a lot of thought went into every aspect,
from the story to Neil's art. A great addition to your Apes audio stock-
pile.

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The art of Neil's that's on Val's site is the same art that's been
there since the CDs were first available. She basically took the
existing page that explained about the project and added links to the
mp3s.

She did add a thumbnail of the CD cover art to the intro page, so
people could be directed to the page with the new downloads.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Neil - did anyone ask your permission to make your art available for
> download on Valerie's site?
>
> Michael

Attachments :

This is odd...I have never heard of this
before....there doesn't seem to be a tag (that would
of course have APJAC on it)....but I can't imagine
someone going to the trouble to make this by
hand......
Tim

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Anyone know if this is genuine or some back-yard
> knock-off?
>
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/original-1970-s-planet-of-the-apes-galen-jumper_W0QQ

>

itemZ150017113469QQihZ005QQcategoryZ14015QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>
>
>

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150017113469&indexUR

> L=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting>
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 6:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Question for Rory

That ending was just stupid – of COURSE it was EARTH!

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 6:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} RE: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

This could be our next group project!  J

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 8:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: {Disarmed} RE: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

-- Oh well if they don't then he'll just have to take a stack of photos of anyone who has appeared in anything Apes (and is still among the living!) to one of these things just in case! ;-)

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 7:50 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] COMIC-CON

I don’t think they advertise these people’s presence.

.

 

--

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 8:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Palisades

See what happens when you try to do POTA dollies!?!?! ?!  J

Changes at Palisades Toy

by Jay at 15:13:25 on 02/01/06

Mike Horn, President of Palisades Toy sends out this information about the future of their company.

"I regret to inform you that after more than 11 successful years, Palisades Entertainment, LLC has discontinued its business of manufacturing and selling licensed and proprietary action figures, collectibles, toys and other goods. This development parallels a general trend within the toy industry, including the bankruptcy of one of Palisades ’ largest customers.

Palisades has sold a substantial portion of its assets to another industry player, an affiliate of C.A.S. Iberia, Inc. named Limited by CAS, Inc. That company will continue the sale of certain of the brands that Palisades developed, including the Factory X line.

The sale transaction did not include employment for me or my wife Kate, who many of you know. Consequently, neither Kate nor I will be reachable at the buyer’s offices, nor will we have any ongoing relationship with the buyer.

I don’t have any plans for the immediate future beyond enjoying life with Kate and our children, until I figure out our next chapter.

I’d like to take this time to thank all of my friends and colleagues, and in particular, the team that helped me build and nurture Palisades for so many years."

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 10:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Galen "sweater".

Anyone know if this is genuine or some back-yard knock-off?

http://cgi.ebay. com/original- 1970-s-planet- of-the-apes- galen-jumper_ W0QQitemZ1500171 13469QQihZ005QQc ategoryZ14015QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewIte m

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:17 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 94

Marvel UK issue 94 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue contains the next chapter in the Terror storyline as well as the second part of the reprinted adaptation of the original film, now broken down into smaller parts.

 

The letter column returns this week, two pages to make up for last week's absence. Note the announcement of next week's price increase. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that two weeks before they increased the price they started reprinting the Planet adaptation to increase the number of Apes pages in the magazine.

 

https://pota. goatley.com

 

Greg

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.html.html In a message dated 8/2/06 9:39:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

You say "The movie FARGO had the situation about right, I've read."
Read where? What 'situation' are ya talkin' about?

Patrick

The situation that people from FARGO are a problem!<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: mega-book project

Still pluggin' away...

 My POTA project -- as I've decided to do it -- isn't a 'small' one
by any means. In addition to appendices (maps, chronology, genealogies,
list-of-characters, blueprints, etc), the actual novel will be 'only'
1,000 pages. But each of those pages will be on 8.5" x 11" paper,
landscape format, with 3 columns of text at either 8 or 9 point-size,
in order to fit in all I need to have, which includes Novelizations of
the 5 movies & 14 episodes as well as Original stuff elaborating on all
of it (you know, the 'mothership' stuff... the between-the- movies
information. .. etc).

.

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.html.html In a message dated 8/2/06 10:13:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Still pluggin' away...

A couple things I should point out.

1) In addition to my POTA project, I've also got on the back-burner
several other projects that interest me, including some wholly original
stuff, as well as translations (I've translated acts I, II, and part of
II of CYRANO DE BERGERAC, for instance). My POTA thing, as much as I
love it, is undeniably a 'derivative' work, owing to material
originated by others. When I get burned out working on POTA, I'll go to
one of the other projects, usually after having had a 'eureka' moment
of some sort, which tends to focus my interest on whatever project.

Hey, everybody....

Does this kind of remind you of one Jeremy Boob from YELLOW SUBMARINE?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: mega-book project

I know Rory ain't too keen on it, so I encourage him to write his own
novelization of PLANET (and ONLY that, since he prefers it as a stand-
alone work). A few years ago he wrote a novelization of PLANET's
opening scene, so he's got it started at least. His version can
be 'canon' for him, and my project will be 'canon' for me, and we can
all be happy little campers!

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Values CD

Hey, I don't know if everyone already knew it but the VALUES Planet of
the Apes audio projet is finally availible to download from Cass' TV
site. I've been curious about this prject for a long time and it was
great to finally get to hear it. Great job all involved! If anyone is a
fan of the old POWER book and record sets, I highly recomend
downloading VALUES. Its like getting a new POWER record after 30 years.
Great fun and you can tell a lot of thought went into every aspect,
from the story to Neil's art. A great addition to your Apes audio stock-
pile.

<.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gp3085
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 7:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Values CD

The art of Neil's that's on Val's site is the same art that's been
there since the CDs were first available. She basically took the
existing page that explained about the project and added links to the
mp3s.

She did add a thumbnail of the CD cover art to the intro page, so
people could be directed to the page with the new downloads.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Neil - did anyone ask your permission to make your art available for
> download on Valerie's site?
>
> Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 7:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Galen "sweater".

This is odd...I have never heard of this
before....there doesn't seem to be a tag (that would
of course have APJAC on it)....but I can't imagine
someone going to the trouble to make this by
hand......

.

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-- Mate, no one ever asks my permission! It would be nice to be
informed or asked whenever my art is used somewhere though.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Neil - did anyone ask your permission to make your art available for
> download on Valerie's site?

-- I agree. It is especially disgusting if this is aimed at Roddy!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MENS-LARGE-FITTED-T-SHIRT-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-PERVERT
> S-7_W0QQitemZ330012730497QQihZ014QQcategoryZ15687QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>