I don't know the exact numbers, but we're somewhere shy of ten thousand.   Apparently, in today's market, we're considered quite good for an indy comic.  The adventure books were coming out in the eighties, when black and white comics used to routinely sell in the seventy to eighty thousand range.  (I myself did a couple of issues of Radioactive Hamsters at the time that sold about seventy thou).  I don't think there's a single indy comic doing over twenty thou these days.

I'm convinced we could be doing a little better with a little more advertising and time to build an audience, but I'm told we're doing all right.  What do I know?  I'm just a writer...

Ty

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I'm sure we will.

Sometime around the time we see Before POTA.  ; )

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

In a message dated 7/23/2006 6:10:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Also.... No way I'd ever do a book with Patrick.

 

What if it was with everyone else as well?

Hell, we could do a POTA encyclopedia.

The only problem is wed have to sell it to ourselves.

After Burton a large percentage of the fans left are here.

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 11:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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I sometimes wonder just how many POTA fans are out there still.

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Chris Hight on ebay?

Any pictures?

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 2:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I'm convinced we could be doing a little better with a little more advertising and time to build an audience, but I'm told we're doing all right.  What do I know?  I'm just a writer...

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 2:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I don't know the exact numbers, but we're somewhere shy of ten thousand.   Apparently, in today's market, we're considered quite good for an indy comic.  The adventure books were coming out in the eighties, when black and white comics used to routinely sell in the seventy to eighty thousand range.  (I myself did a couple of issues of Radioactive Hamsters at the time that sold about seventy thou).  I don't think there's a single indy comic doing over twenty thou these days.

I'm convinced we could be doing a little better with a little more advertising and time to build an audience, but I'm told we're doing all right.  What do I know?  I'm just a writer...

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 2:50 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I know you have a good following Ty so I would assume about 5000 buyers to be TT fans – not POTA fans.

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In a message dated 7/21/06 6:37:10 PM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

The quality of this and all of Chris Hight's stuff craps all over Sideshow!

I do not agree at all... Don't get me wrong, this eBay item is nice for a "home-made" piece, but it's not all that... Look at the collar, that is way too puffy for instance...

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In a message dated 7/22/06 1:37:27 AM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Hope you didn't have to pay too much! How do you feel about the
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I woulda rather had seen them give everybody who bought a set a chance to enter a contest to actually WIN the outfits...

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This week I'll borrow a digital camera and post pictures.

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Can we see some photos Chris?

Michael

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 10:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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I have made Zira in the past she turned out okay. The Conquest Lisa is the figure that turned out really well.

TZer0@... wrote:

    Chris,

Ever do any Zira'?

T

 

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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:12 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?

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From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:55 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I sometimes wonder just how many POTA fans are out there still.

The ADVENTURE comics broke some huge records.  But I kinda blame them for the first wave of ADULT POTA FAN disappointment.

Ty, can you tell us how many copies of REVOLUTION you print and how many sell?

Michael

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 11:33 AM
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Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

In a message dated 7/23/2006 6:10:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Also.... No way I'd ever do a book with Patrick.

What if it was with everyone else as well?

Hell, we could do a POTA encyclopedia.

The only problem is wed have to sell it to ourselves.

After Burton a large percentage of the fans left are here.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I don't know the exact numbers, but we're somewhere shy of ten thousand.   Apparently, in today's market, we're considered quite good for an indy comic.  The adventure books were coming out in the eighties, when black and white comics used to routinely sell in the seventy to eighty thousand range.  (I myself did a couple of issues of Radioactive Hamsters at the time that sold about seventy thou).  I don't think there's a single indy comic doing over twenty thou these days.

I'm convinced we could be doing a little better with a little more advertising and time to build an audience, but I'm told we're doing all right.  What do I know?  I'm just a writer...

Ty

On 7/23/06, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

I sometimes wonder just how many POTA fans are out there still.

 

The ADVENTURE comics broke some huge records.  But I kinda blame them for the first wave of ADULT POTA FAN disappointment.

 

Ty, can you tell us how many copies of REVOLUTION you print and how many sell?

Michael

 

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In a message dated 7/23/2006 6:10:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Also.... No way I'd ever do a book with Patrick.

 

What if it was with everyone else as well?

Hell, we could do a POTA encyclopedia.

The only problem is wed have to sell it to ourselves.

After Burton a large percentage of the fans left are here.

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AOL has Burton's Apes as one of the Worst Twist Endings

Of All Time.  What gets me is they didn't list the original

ending as one of the Best!  That's the Worst Snub since

The Emmy's failed to nominate Hugh Laurie's performance

As Dr. Greg House M.D. while at the same time nominating

House -- the very series with him in the title role.  That can

mean only one thing.  They want to give an Emmy to that

hack Martin Sheen, who isn't fit to shine Laurie's shoes.

 

T

 

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In a message dated 7/23/2006 8:56:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

The ADVENTURE comics broke some huge records.  But I kinda blame them for the first wave of ADULT POTA FAN disappointment.

 

I was a tad disappointed in POTC aka"Pirates"

Seems to have gone the way of POTA and

Star Wars -- a toy selling machine.  And

with all the kids, it can't be as edgy. Oh

well, it is a Disney Flick.  What I can't

fathom is why they went with Burger

King for the Tie-In.  When I saw it

I was craving fish!  Long John

Silver's is named for a pirate

after all.  It's a No Brainer!

Are there no brains left

in Hollywood?  Guess

not --  Just Greed.

 

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 9:44:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Is it your Japanese POTA box set (the Icarus)?  Jeff

 

I'm guessing that the Kanji says Planet of the Apes,

since the katakana says TV Series -- Complete DVD Set

Although TV should be written terebi, it's often not.  Since

the Japanese think that stuff written in English is even cooler

than we think stuff written in Japanese is.  Though a few more

of them can actually read our stuff than we can read their's. But

that doesn't always mean they all know what it means.  If you have

ever looked at the Engrish websites you know what I mean.  It's pretty

funny stuff.  I'd love to get a job correcting the bad English in all their signs.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 12:57:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Somehow I think there is more chance that we will see Before POTA completed than Rory and Patrick ever collaborating on the same book! ;-)

 

Come on you guys!

You'd balance each other out.

Or I guess they cancel each other out.

That's why we'll never get them to write it.

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 9:52:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   My local comics guy told me flat out it's because people didn't like the Burton flick.

 

The IMBD tracks the interest in movies and actors by the hits on it's site

and list it as Star Power.  And POTA dropped off after the new movie.  It

would appear that Burton made it uncool to be a POTA fan with his fiasco.

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 10:52:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

Complete DVD Set

Oops, I messed up.  And on the bit

that was actually in English too.

Correction:  Complete DVD Box

 

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 4:28:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

OK yes that's exactly what it is – well done Jeff and T.

 

Well, my Japanese isn't what it used to be.

But then again, it never was.  I'd rather have

the Icarus box than that awful Head Box Set.

 

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In a message dated 7/24/2006 4:52:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Yeah it just costs about 3 times as much!  J

 

Yeah, but 10 times as cool.

 

 

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Can anybody guess who this is?

Kevin
PofTAfan

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?

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Complete DVD Set

Oops, I messed up. And on the bit
that was actually in English too.
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AOL has Burton's Apes as one of the Worst Twist Endings
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:13 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

Again I wonder what the precise numbers are Jeff.

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:02 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

   My local comics guy told me flat out it's because people didn't like the Burton flick. It killed the interest. Although we might wonder why the Inkworks "POTA Legacy" cards didn't seem to sell well right when anticipation was building for a new movie. It might be that society was pretty stable in the '80's and '90's and POTA is best appreciated by the masses when things are pretty f'd up (the '60's and early '70's). With things deteriorating now I think the popularity would increase if we were hit by a huge POTA cultural event (a good movie). But don't expect Fox to be visionaries. - - - Jeff

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From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:55 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

I sometimes wonder just how many POTA fans are out there still.

The ADVENTURE comics broke some huge records.  But I kinda blame them for the first wave of ADULT POTA FAN disappointment.

Ty, can you tell us how many copies of REVOLUTION you print and how many sell?

Michael

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Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 11:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Re: Question for Rory

In a message dated 7/23/2006 6:10:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Also.... No way I'd ever do a book with Patrick.

What if it was with everyone else as well?

Hell, we could do a POTA encyclopedia.

The only problem is wed have to sell it to ourselves.

After Burton a large percentage of the fans left are here.

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In a message dated 7/24/06 11:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I don't know but I think trading cards went the same way as comic books. Too "old-fashioned" now.

Nah, that's not true... If that were the case, then why would their Star Trek sets be selling out (ok, yes, ST has a rabid following, but still...) Even tonight at the store, i seen a kid asking his mom if he could get a set of the cards by the cash register... They're not old fashioned, just depends on the people and what the card set is...

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Cards are still HUGE.  There's nothing old fashioned about them, unless you're talking about old fashioned cards. 

Nowadays, non-sports cards are for stuff that's current (Buffy, X-Men, the New Doctor Who, Stargate, Lord of the Rings, etc.) or they're "gamer" cards, such as Magic, YuGiOh etc. My five year old daughter will often buy a pack of cards at the store if they interest her...Dora the Explorer cards, or Barbie cards are a sure buy... My six year old son LOVES Sponge Bob cards and stickers and seeks them out ravenously.  My ten year old loves Star Wars and Magic cards, mostly because his teenage brother plays Magic with friends, and my whole family (absolutely through no influence of mine) are Star Wars fans.  And the teen collects about three or four sets of gamers cards.  Star Trek cards were mentioned, but I'd like to bet, in the world of cards, Star Trek is a bit out of date (since there's no current version and not too many people liked Enterprise).  But I've seen ANDROMEDA cards, for !#)(*$#@ sake, so there's a market for everything.

Cards are still a large part of any kid culture store.  Cards for old film franchises even show up from time to time, but usually put out by specialty printers, like Fantagraphics, Rip Off Press, etc.  So yeah, the original Planet of the Apes series would be more of a niche market nowadays for cards, since there's no NEW images to play with.  (with comics, we at least have the ability to make NEW stories, to lure in older fans.  )

And comics, by the way, are not a thing of the past either. The industry has been growing for the last five years (after a decade of decline, agreed).  Indy books are not selling like they used to, and not because of a lack of interest in the medium, but because of an EXPLOSION of indy books.  There are something like 200 monthly indy titles to compete for retail space and reader's dollars today, and thus the pie is being split up into smaller and smaller pieces. 

Even a decade ago, you could find indy books selling in the thirty to forty thousand range (think of Cerebus, Elfquest, the Teenage Mutant Turtles, Hellboy, Concrete).  But lately the distribution system works perversely for and against the indy publisher at the same time.  It's a much easier system to get into today than it ever was before (hence the hundreds of titles) but it's a harder market to get noticed in (because of the hundreds of titles).  The runaway successes sell twenty thousand.  So we're not a runway success, but we're surviving.

"Funny books" is right.

Of course, I could always flip wings and burgers for a living, but then I wouldn't get to spend anywhere near as much time cavorting naked in the woods with nymphs.

By the way, Apes Fans (since I should probably discuss that)...the next issue of Revolution is heading for the printers, and I'm tickled about the wrap up to our first storyline.  And there's a brand new artist named Steve Molnar contributing art to the back up story (Terrific Tom Fowler draws our lead) that's just blowing me AWAY!.  I predict big things for Steve Molnar, and perhaps big things from Mr. Comics and Steve, fairly soon.

Ty the Guy Templeton

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In a message dated 7/25/2006 6:12:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Are they the guys who gave us the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?  J

 

Phenius, Freddy and Freewheelin' Franklin?

 

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

In a message dated 7/24/06 11:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I don't know but I think trading cards went the same way as comic books. Too "old-fashioned" now.

Nah, that's not true... If that were the case, then why would their Star Trek sets be selling out (ok, yes, ST has a rabid following, but still...) Even tonight at the store, i seen a kid asking his mom if he could get a set of the cards by the cash register... They're not old fashioned, just depends on the people and what the card set is...

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From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

Cards are still HUGE.  There's nothing old fashioned about them, unless you're talking about old fashioned cards. 

Nowadays, non-sports cards are for stuff that's current (Buffy, X-Men, the New Doctor Who, Stargate, Lord of the Rings, etc.) or they're "gamer" cards, such as Magic, YuGiOh etc. My five year old daughter will often buy a pack of cards at the store if they interest her...Dora the Explorer cards, or Barbie cards are a sure buy... My six year old son LOVES Sponge Bob cards and stickers and seeks them out ravenously.  My ten year old loves Star Wars and Magic cards, mostly because his teenage brother plays Magic with friends, and my whole family (absolutely through no influence of mine) are Star Wars fans.  And the teen collects about three or four sets of gamers cards.  Star Trek cards were mentioned, but I'd like to bet, in the world of cards, Star Trek is a bit out of date (since there's no current version and not too many people liked Enterprise).  But I've seen ANDROMEDA cards, for !#)(*$#@ sake, so there's a market for everything.

Cards are still a large part of any kid culture store.  Cards for old film franchises even show up from time to time, but usually put out by specialty printers, like Fantagraphics, Rip Off Press, etc.  So yeah, the original Planet of the Apes series would be more of a niche market nowadays for cards, since there's no NEW images to play with.  (with comics, we at least have the ability to make NEW stories, to lure in older fans.  )

And comics, by the way, are not a thing of the past either. The industry has been growing for the last five years (after a decade of decline, agreed).  Indy books are not selling like they used to, and not because of a lack of interest in the medium, but because of an EXPLOSION of indy books.  There are something like 200 monthly indy titles to compete for retail space and reader's dollars today, and thus the pie is being split up into smaller and smaller pieces. 

Even a decade ago, you could find indy books selling in the thirty to forty thousand range (think of Cerebus, Elfquest, the Teenage Mutant Turtles, Hellboy, Concrete).  But lately the distribution system works perversely for and against the indy publisher at the same time.  It's a much easier system to get into today than it ever was before (hence the hundreds of titles) but it's a harder market to get noticed in (because of the hundreds of titles).  The runaway successes sell twenty thousand.  So we're not a runway success, but we're surviving.

"Funny books" is right.

Of course, I could always flip wings and burgers for a living, but then I wouldn't get to spend anywhere near as much time cavorting naked in the woods with nymphs.

By the way, Apes Fans (since I should probably discuss that)...the next issue of Revolution is heading for the printers, and I'm tickled about the wrap up to our first storyline.  And there's a brand new artist named Steve Molnar contributing art to the back up story (Terrific Tom Fowler draws our lead) that's just blowing me AWAY!.  I predict big things for Steve Molnar, and perhaps big things from Mr. Comics and Steve, fairly soon.

Ty the Guy Templeton

On 7/25/06, mlccougar@... < mlccougar@... > wrote:

In a message dated 7/24/06 11:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I don't know but I think trading cards went the same way as comic books. Too "old-fashioned" now.

Nah, that's not true... If that were the case, then why would their Star Trek sets be selling out (ok, yes, ST has a rabid following, but still...) Even tonight at the store, i seen a kid asking his mom if he could get a set of the cards by the cash register... They're not old fashioned, just depends on the people and what the card set is...

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From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

Cards are still HUGE.  There's nothing old fashioned about them, unless you're talking about old fashioned cards. 

Nowadays, non-sports cards are for stuff that's current (Buffy, X-Men, the New Doctor Who, Stargate, Lord of the Rings, etc.) or they're "gamer" cards, such as Magic, YuGiOh etc. My five year old daughter will often buy a pack of cards at the store if they interest her...Dora the Explorer cards, or Barbie cards are a sure buy... My six year old son LOVES Sponge Bob cards and stickers and seeks them out ravenously.  My ten year old loves Star Wars and Magic cards, mostly because his teenage brother plays Magic with friends, and my whole family (absolutely through no influence of mine) are Star Wars fans.  And the teen collects about three or four sets of gamers cards.  Star Trek cards were mentioned, but I'd like to bet, in the world of cards, Star Trek is a bit out of date (since there's no current version and not too many people liked Enterprise).  But I've seen ANDROMEDA cards, for !#)(*$#@ sake, so there's a market for everything.

Cards are still a large part of any kid culture store.  Cards for old film franchises even show up from time to time, but usually put out by specialty printers, like Fantagraphics, Rip Off Press, etc.  So yeah, the original Planet of the Apes series would be more of a niche market nowadays for cards, since there's no NEW images to play with.  (with comics, we at least have the ability to make NEW stories, to lure in older fans.  )

And comics, by the way, are not a thing of the past either. The industry has been growing for the last five years (after a decade of decline, agreed).  Indy books are not selling like they used to, and not because of a lack of interest in the medium, but because of an EXPLOSION of indy books.  There are something like 200 monthly indy titles to compete for retail space and reader's dollars today, and thus the pie is being split up into smaller and smaller pieces. 

Even a decade ago, you could find indy books selling in the thirty to forty thousand range (think of Cerebus, Elfquest, the Teenage Mutant Turtles, Hellboy, Concrete).  But lately the distribution system works perversely for and against the indy publisher at the same time.  It's a much easier system to get into today than it ever was before (hence the hundreds of titles) but it's a harder market to get noticed in (because of the hundreds of titles).  The runaway successes sell twenty thousand.  So we're not a runway success, but we're surviving.

"Funny books" is right.

Of course, I could always flip wings and burgers for a living, but then I wouldn't get to spend anywhere near as much time cavorting naked in the woods with nymphs.

By the way, Apes Fans (since I should probably discuss that)...the next issue of Revolution is heading for the printers, and I'm tickled about the wrap up to our first storyline.  And there's a brand new artist named Steve Molnar contributing art to the back up story (Terrific Tom Fowler draws our lead) that's just blowing me AWAY!.  I predict big things for Steve Molnar, and perhaps big things from Mr. Comics and Steve, fairly soon.

Ty the Guy Templeton

On 7/25/06, mlccougar@... < mlccougar@... > wrote:

In a message dated 7/24/06 11:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I don't know but I think trading cards went the same way as comic books. Too "old-fashioned" now.

Nah, that's not true... If that were the case, then why would their Star Trek sets be selling out (ok, yes, ST has a rabid following, but still...) Even tonight at the store, i seen a kid asking his mom if he could get a set of the cards by the cash register... They're not old fashioned, just depends on the people and what the card set is...

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From: veetus@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:36 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

  Two things I'll add: the "Apes" Inkworks cards did have new images and were well done. Plus "Apes" has not been done to death on cards like the two Stars, Wars and Trek. I don't know how well they did but supposedly there was going to be a second set and it never materialized so I assume they didn't hit their mark.

  And "Star Trek" is far from over. I heard at Comic Con there was a teaser poster for the new movie reboot (2008) that went over well. Trek and Wars are still the big kids on the block, though I don't know how well Trek does with children. - - - Jeff

 

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From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

Cards are still HUGE.  There's nothing old fashioned about them, unless you're talking about old fashioned cards. 

Nowadays, non-sports cards are for stuff that's current (Buffy, X-Men, the New Doctor Who, Stargate, Lord of the Rings, etc.) or they're "gamer" cards, such as Magic, YuGiOh etc. My five year old daughter will often buy a pack of cards at the store if they interest her...Dora the Explorer cards, or Barbie cards are a sure buy... My six year old son LOVES Sponge Bob cards and stickers and seeks them out ravenously.  My ten year old loves Star Wars and Magic cards, mostly because his teenage brother plays Magic with friends, and my whole family (absolutely through no influence of mine) are Star Wars fans.  And the teen collects about three or four sets of gamers cards.  Star Trek cards were mentioned, but I'd like to bet, in the world of cards, Star Trek is a bit out of date (since there's no current version and not too many people liked Enterprise).  But I've seen ANDROMEDA cards, for !#)(*$#@ sake, so there's a market for everything.

Cards are still a large part of any kid culture store.  Cards for old film franchises even show up from time to time, but usually put out by specialty printers, like Fantagraphics, Rip Off Press, etc.  So yeah, the original Planet of the Apes series would be more of a niche market nowadays for cards, since there's no NEW images to play with.  (with comics, we at least have the ability to make NEW stories, to lure in older fans.  )

And comics, by the way, are not a thing of the past either. The industry has been growing for the last five years (after a decade of decline, agreed).  Indy books are not selling like they used to, and not because of a lack of interest in the medium, but because of an EXPLOSION of indy books.  There are something like 200 monthly indy titles to compete for retail space and reader's dollars today, and thus the pie is being split up into smaller and smaller pieces. 

Even a decade ago, you could find indy books selling in the thirty to forty thousand range (think of Cerebus, Elfquest, the Teenage Mutant Turtles, Hellboy, Concrete).  But lately the distribution system works perversely for and against the indy publisher at the same time.  It's a much easier system to get into today than it ever was before (hence the hundreds of titles) but it's a harder market to get noticed in (because of the hundreds of titles).  The runaway successes sell twenty thousand.  So we're not a runway success, but we're surviving.

"Funny books" is right.

Of course, I could always flip wings and burgers for a living, but then I wouldn't get to spend anywhere near as much time cavorting naked in the woods with nymphs.

By the way, Apes Fans (since I should probably discuss that)...the next issue of Revolution is heading for the printers, and I'm tickled about the wrap up to our first storyline.  And there's a brand new artist named Steve Molnar contributing art to the back up story (Terrific Tom Fowler draws our lead) that's just blowing me AWAY!.  I predict big things for Steve Molnar, and perhaps big things from Mr. Comics and Steve, fairly soon.

Ty the Guy Templeton

On 7/25/06, mlccougar@... < mlccougar@... > wrote:

In a message dated 7/24/06 11:49:31 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I don't know but I think trading cards went the same way as comic books. Too "old-fashioned" now.

Nah, that's not true... If that were the case, then why would their Star Trek sets be selling out (ok, yes, ST has a rabid following, but still...) Even tonight at the store, i seen a kid asking his mom if he could get a set of the cards by the cash register... They're not old fashioned, just depends on the people and what the card set is...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>

>
> It was nice but cost way too much (and 9 cards is nothing to get too
> excited about!).

Unless you take 5 months painting the damn things !!!! :)
Best Graham.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 6:45 AM
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

   In other words, people don't read any more.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Twists

 

 

AOL has Burton's Apes as one of the Worst Twist Endings

Of All Time.  What gets me is they didn't list the original

ending as one of the Best!  That's the Worst Snub since

The Emmy's failed to nominate Hugh Laurie's performance

As Dr. Greg House M.D. while at the same time nominating

House -- the very series with him in the title role.  That can

mean only one thing.  They want to give an Emmy to that

hack Martin Sheen, who isn't fit to shine Laurie's shoes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:29 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Turning Good Movies into Saturday Matinees

  It's a No Brainer!

Are there no brains left

in Hollywood?  Guess

not --  Just Greed.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hight
Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 11:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chris Hight's Custom Action Figures

This week I'll borrow a digital camera and post pictures.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Question for Ty Templeton

The IMBD tracks the interest in movies and actors by the hits on it's site

and list it as Star Power.  And POTA dropped off after the new movie.  It

would appear that Burton made it uncool to be a POTA fan with his fiasco.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 1:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Pendreigh vs Heston

Or I guess they cancel each other out.

That's why we'll never get them to write it.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 7:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Icarus Box Set
Importance: High

I have been offered another for $420US.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 7:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Icarus Box Set
Importance: High

That’s why I can’t tell you much about the Icarus or the Bill Creber interview.

However if anyone has the $s I can get you one and you can open it and tell me all about the interview!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 7:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Icarus Box Set

And (as Rory would say) it’s the TV show!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?

Can anybody guess who this is?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

   I've got it! Do POTA comic books and trading cards, but call them...

  "Ape Trek". No. "Ape Wars". No... How about this? "STAR APES". That's the key. We'll be rich and Fox is out of it.

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In a message dated 7/25/2006 3:58:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Great show and a great actor. How about Hugh Laurie as Ulysse Merou in a filmed version of Boulle's original novel?

 

I'm sure he speaks French with a flawless accent.

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 5:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess WHO this is?

Yes. Got that photo taken Friday on day 2 of the convention. Even got 2 autographed photos from him. 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 9:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

Possibly another case of poor management of the franchise, or at least poor decision making.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

  Yeah, people buy comic books, too. People buy newspapers. But not in the numbers they used to.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

  Trek and Wars are still the big kids on the block, though I don't know how well Trek does with children.

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In a message dated 7/25/2006 5:06:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Oh shit yeah!

 

If only the Head had been a Lawgiver Bust.

I'd have bought it.

 

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In a message dated 7/25/2006 4:58:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- What? Planet of the Apes fans not being listened to by the money makers?!? Surely you jest sir!

 

Yeah, and for that we only let them triple their money.

That'll teach 'em!  They won't pull that next time . . .

if there is one.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Oh dear!
>
> Yes Graham - YOUR 9 cards were VERY exciting.
>
> And they didn't cost me $25! :-)
>

Glad to see I can still get some one excited, Although it usually
cost ME more than $25 :)
Best Graham.

The second picture that I got from him was when he played "Sheriff
Little" on the Dukes of Hazzard. But he did have some more apes photos.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: ntfoster@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess WHO this is?



-- Don looks well and healthy. Sounds like a fun time was had, were
they both Apes photos you got Kevin?

Neil


-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 5:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess WHO this is?




Yes. Got that photo taken Friday on day 2 of the convention. Even got 2
autographed photos from him.


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The photo was taken on July 21st of this year while I was at the
Convention in San Diego.

Kevin
PofTAfan

-----Original Message-----
From: ntfoster@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?



-- Well the guy with the Don Pedro Colley nameplate in front of him
would be Don Pedro I guess (plus it looks like him!) so I'm guessing
the other bloke would be you Kevin? Was this taken recently?
Good to see a picture of him in THX 1138 on the left of the table
there, I love that movie.

Neil


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess what this is?


Can anybody guess who this is?



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Does anybody here have the DVDs of the cartoon from the boxed set? If so, are these the COMPLETE episodes, or are they cut up? I ask cause there are now some shows coming out on DVD that are the "syndicated" versions which are chopped up to show more commercials... I just want to make sure the RETURN series isn't cut up when I buy it when it's finally released seperately...

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In a message dated 7/26/06 3:57:52 AM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

 

Is this a sign?

 Yes, it is....

 

Should I open the TV Show Japanese Box Set and check out the William Creber interview?

 Yes, you should.... And then after that, you should send me the box set....

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Is anybody else here planning on attending Worldcon in LA next month
(except Robert Sawyer of course)?

I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to make it down to the big one this
year although I haven't booked my flight and hotel yet.

On the same note, I think there may be a few that live in the area.
Perhaps they are planning on attending? (Jeff?)

Anyhow I've still got some of those POTADG flyers that were created
for the 2003 Worlcon that I distributed so I'll bring them along (not
that it seemed to help much in '03 <sigh>).

I'll be sure to report any relevant POTA content if there is any.

Oh. And for those that will be there you will be able to spot me as I
already have a different POTA T-shirt to wear for each of the 5 days
of the con. :)

If I'm really lucky I'll be able to get down to Point Dume and take a
few pics of the POTA 'Liberty' beach. Maybe even go to
Conquest's "Century City".

Dario

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In a message dated 7/26/2006 2:23:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Willowape@... writes:

Hey, at least she not a Power Ranger.  These guys, especially the monsters - bad guys, nearly drove me insane with laughter. I know, that kind of sounds cheesy.

 

There was a great spoof of the Power Rangers on Night Flight

called the Dyna-Kids.  They took a Power Ranger's episode,

the one with the Giant Squid, and re-dubbed it with jokes and

funny voices.  It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

I can't find my video copy.  If anyone has one let me know!

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Wendy Kostora

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Dora

Hey, at least she not a Power Ranger.  These guys, especially the monsters - bad guys, nearly drove me insane with laughter. I know, that kind of sounds cheesy.

Wendy

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From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@cyberone. com.au>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Dora
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:52:32 +1000

Oh boy – could I just MURDER whoever is responsible for DORA!  My twins are addicts.

 

They told all their friends about Dora and nobody had a CLUE what they were talking about.  6 months later Dora has world domination! J

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2006 3:37 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Inkworks Numbers

 

...Dora the Explorer cards.....

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 8:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [PotaDG] Icarus Box Set

I was wondering if CONQUEST CAESAR is something Fox is promoting.....

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 6:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Birthday Reminder

Is this a sign?

Should I open the TV Show Japanese Box Set and check out the William Creber interview?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 8:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Icarus Box Set

If only the Head had been a Lawgiver Bust.

I'd have bought it.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Kostora
Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2006 5:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Dora

Hey, at least she not a Power Ranger.  These guys, especially the monsters - bad guys, nearly drove me insane with laughter. I know, that kind of sounds cheesy.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2006 6:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK 93 and new script

Marvel UK issue 93 is now available to download from Hunter's site.

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here is one of the photos that he signed for me at the con.

-----Original Message-----
From: ntfoster@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess WHO this is?



-- Don looks well and healthy. Sounds like a fun time was had, were
they both Apes photos you got Kevin?

Neil


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2006 5:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anybody like to guess WHO this is?




Yes. Got that photo taken Friday on day 2 of the convention. Even got 2
autographed photos from him.


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I won't be attending WorldCon this year, but it sounds like something I
may attend next year. Have yourself a great time at the con

Kevin
PofTAfan

-----Original Message-----
From: darios@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Cc: pota@yahoogroups.com; friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] WorldCon POTA fans?


Is anybody else here planning on attending Worldcon in LA next month
(except Robert Sawyer of course)?

I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to make it down to the big one this
year although I haven't booked my flight and hotel yet.

On the same note, I think there may be a few that live in the area.
Perhaps they are planning on attending? (Jeff?)

Anyhow I've still got some of those POTADG flyers that were created
for the 2003 Worlcon that I distributed so I'll bring them along (not
that it seemed to help much in '03 <sigh>).

I'll be sure to report any relevant POTA content if there is any.

Oh. And for those that will be there you will be able to spot me as I
already have a different POTA T-shirt to wear for each of the 5 days
of the con. :)

If I'm really lucky I'll be able to get down to Point Dume and take a
few pics of the POTA 'Liberty' beach. Maybe even go to
Conquest's "Century City".

Dario