Here is the reply from the USPS. To me, it looks like a start.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: uspshelpdesk@...
To: poftafan@...
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:58:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for
the 30th annivers... [Incident: 070330-003384]

Subject
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I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for the 30th
annivers...


Discussion Thread
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Response (Courtney) - 04/02/2007 10:58 AM
Dear KEVIN Harris,

Thank you for contacting us about creating a stamp for Planet of the
Apes.

Almost all subjects chosen to appear on U.S. stamps and postal
stationery are
suggested by the public. Each year, Americans submit proposals to the
United
States Postal Service® on literally thousands of different topics.
Every stamp
suggestion is considered, regardless of who makes it or how it is
presented. On
behalf of the Postmaster General™, the Citizens' Stamp Advisory
Committee (CSAC)
is tasked with evaluating the merits of all stamp proposals.
Established in
1957, the Committee provides the Postal Service™ with a "breadth of
judgment and
depth of experience in various areas that influence subject matter,
character
and beauty of postage stamps."

More information on this subject can be found at:

http://www.usps.com/communications/organization/csac.htm

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don't hesitate
to contact
me. Thank you for choosing the United States Postal Service®.

Regards,

Courtney M

Customer (KEVIN Harris) - 03/30/2007 09:15 PM
I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for the 30th
anniversary
for Star Wars and I want to know if there any chance to have a
collection of
stamps to deticate the 40th anniversary for the movie Planet of the
Apes. can
you please e-mail me on this. I thank you for reading this e-mail.


As our customer, your privacy is important to us. Please see our
privacy policy
at www.usps.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 6:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Spam?} RE: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!
   

-- Really? Makes you wonder what sort of idiots, sorry I mean people, vote in these things.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

Film classic Star Wars has lost its crown as the world's best sci-fi movie.

George Lucas's Star Wars debut has been usurped by the little-known 2005 title Serenity in a poll of sci-fi favourites.

Blade Runner, starring Harrison Ford, is third, following 1977 classic Star Wars.

Planet Of The Apes scoops fourth place, followed by Keanu Reeves's film The Matrix and Sigourney Weaver's Alien.

Others in the top ten include Fifties classic Forbidden Planet, Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, and The Terminator, which launched Arnold Schwarzenegger' s career.

The Michael J Fox time-travelling classic Back to the Future takes tenth place in the SFX magazine poll of 3,000 fans.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 9:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Spam?} [PotaDG] Fwd: I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for the 30th annivers... [Incident: 070330-003384]

Here is the reply from the USPS. To me, it looks like a start.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: uspshelpdesk@ spemail.esecurec are.net
To: poftafan@aol. com
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:58:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for
the 30th annivers... [Incident: 070330-003384]

Subject
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I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for the 30th
annivers...

Discussion Thread
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Response (Courtney) - 04/02/2007 10:58 AM
Dear KEVIN Harris,

Thank you for contacting us about creating a stamp for Planet of the
Apes.

Almost all subjects chosen to appear on U.S. stamps and postal
stationery are
suggested by the public. Each year, Americans submit proposals to the
United
States Postal Service® on literally thousands of different topics.
Every stamp
suggestion is considered, regardless of who makes it or how it is
presented. On
behalf of the Postmaster General™, the Citizens' Stamp Advisory
Committee (CSAC)
is tasked with evaluating the merits of all stamp proposals.
Established in
1957, the Committee provides the Postal Service™ with a "breadth of
judgment and
depth of experience in various areas that influence subject matter,
character
and beauty of postage stamps."

More information on this subject can be found at:

http://www.usps. com/communicatio ns/organization/ csac.htm

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don't hesitate
to contact
me. Thank you for choosing the United States Postal Service®.

Regards,

Courtney M

Customer (KEVIN Harris) - 03/30/2007 09:15 PM
I just wanted to thank you for having commeorate stamps for the 30th
anniversary
for Star Wars and I want to know if there any chance to have a
collection of
stamps to deticate the 40th anniversary for the movie Planet of the
Apes. can
you please e-mail me on this. I thank you for reading this e-mail.

As our customer, your privacy is important to us. Please see our
privacy policy
at www.usps.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 7:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2817

-- I personally thought you had every right to make decisions and ask questions especially when things seemed to have stalled. It worked fine with 'Beast'. Other people even questioned on the group why things were suddenly going slower than they had been.

I don't think it was right for people working on the project to get the hump and tell you they would only work at their pace as they were doing it for free and out of the goodness of their hearts as after all it was decided before the project began that there was a timeline involved and a desire to get the comics out there and available for the fans. For the first few issues it worked fine and even Alan Maxwell, whom we were told was not to be relied upon to get something completed, did a great job getting the covers cleaned and fixed up and only slowed down that one time when his mouse was stuffed and had to be replaced or something like that.

And like you say you had other people lined up to do the various 'jobs' and when you mentioned that it seems to me to have caused a couple of them to really get the shits.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2007 11:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 2817

So here's the question - is it fair for me to say that I paid for 'em and assembled the team, so if I feel someone's dragging his/her ass I can replace them?

 

This is the basis of my opinion that I was treated incredibly unfairly so I would like you to answer this.  Neil, and anyone else here who was also involved, would you please tell me what you think too please?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 6:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: {Spam?} RE: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

-- Really? Makes you wonder what sort of idiots, sorry I mean people, vote in these things.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

Film classic Star Wars has lost its crown as the world's best sci-fi movie.

George Lucas's Star Wars debut has been usurped by the little-known 2005 title Serenity in a poll of sci-fi favourites.

Blade Runner, starring Harrison Ford, is third, following 1977 classic Star Wars.

Planet Of The Apes scoops fourth place, followed by Keanu Reeves's film The Matrix and Sigourney Weaver's Alien.

Others in the top ten include Fifties classic Forbidden Planet, Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, and The Terminator, which launched Arnold Schwarzenegger' s career.

The Michael J Fox time-travelling classic Back to the Future takes tenth place in the SFX magazine poll of 3,000 fans.

 

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I hear you have a mean MEGO collection?

*** I'll have to let him answer that one myself, but from what I know of him from the Mego Museum, I do know he has a healthy army of Soldier Apes and he made some customs (Wanda from "The Interrogation" comes to mind...)

We need to get him set up with the RARITIES DVD now...


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.html In a message dated 4/2/2007 12:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

George Lucas's Star Wars debut has been usurped by the little-known 2005 title Serenity in a poll of sci-fi favourites.

*** Thankfully... I mean Star Wars itself is still an okay film, but it isn't a true sci-fi film anyway... At best it's a space fantasy/adventure...

Planet Of The Apes scoops fourth place

*** I'm glad it's at least in the top 5... It should be # 1, but then again, it's from a UK film poll and it seems the TV series is more popular there than in the States, so it's good it got as high as it did...


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Here is the reply from the USPS. To me, it looks like a start.

*** I just dropped them an email too...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

In a message dated 4/2/2007 12:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

George Lucas's Star Wars debut has been usurped by the little-known 2005 title Serenity in a poll of sci-fi favourites.

*** Thankfully.. . I mean Star Wars itself is still an okay film, but it isn't a true sci-fi film anyway... At best it's a space fantasy/adventure. ..

Planet Of The Apes scoops fourth place

*** I'm glad it's at least in the top 5... It should be # 1, but then again, it's from a UK film poll and it seems the TV series is more popular there than in the States, so it's good it got as high as it did...


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Serenity is a lot like SW - far more a Western with lasers than Sci-Fi IMHO!

*** That's the problem, anything with a space-ship, laser weapon, or a computer/robot is automatically lumped in with other films as Sci-Fi, which is wrong!


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The more e-mails that they get , maybe they can put POTA on next years
commemorate stamps lists.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fwd: I just wanted to thank you for having
commeorate stamps for...

In a message dated 4/2/2007 6:15:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
PofTAfan@... writes:



Here is the reply from the USPS. To me, it looks like a start.

*** I just dropped them an email too...


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The artwork of the DVD Cover Ideas are excellent. I love them.

Donna

.html In a message dated 4/2/2007 7:53:21 PM Central Daylight Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

The more e-mails that they get, maybe they can put POTA on next years
commemorate stamps lists.

*** I'm hoping so, BUT, I looked at the advisory board business and they say that anything should be submitted 3 YEARS before it's anniversary or whatever so, if accepted as a commemorative stamp, they'd have time to get it designed, etc., etc. etc.

It shouldn't take that long, but there's the bureaucracy... There's always the bureaucracy...

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Even so. My main purpose is to have a POTA commemorate stamps. If it
takes next year or three years......I WANT THOSE STAMPS!!!

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fwd: I just wanted to thank you for having
commeorate stamps for...

In a message dated 4/2/2007 7:53:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
PofTAfan@... writes:


The more e-mails that they get, maybe they can put POTA on next years
commemorate stamps lists.

*** I'm hoping so, BUT, I looked at the advisory board business and
they say that anything should be submitted 3 YEARS before it's
anniversary or whatever so, if accepted as a commemorative stamp,
they'd have time to get it designed, etc., etc. etc.

It shouldn't take that long, but there's the bureaucracy... There's
always the bureaucracy...


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Radio

Hey, it says, "REMOVABLE COVER ! INSERT ANY PICTURE"

I could buy it and replace those tired old monkeys with a picture of Limbo!

Ant

On Apr 3, 2007, at 6:52 am, Michael Whitty wrote:

Would someone please buy me one of these?

http://cgi.ebay. com/RARE- Planet-of- the-apes- AM-RADIO_ W0QQitemZ1201041 48073QQcategoryZ 16469QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 9:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

Hmmm....I think Serenity kicks ass - but does it kick POTA's ass?  Don't think so!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 6:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: {Spam?} RE: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!
   

-- Really? Makes you wonder what sort of idiots, sorry I mean people, vote in these things.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

Film classic Star Wars has lost its crown as the world's best sci-fi movie.

George Lucas's Star Wars debut has been usurped by the little-known 2005 title Serenity in a poll of sci-fi favourites.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 9:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [PotaDG] Serenity . . . again? Must have been the same poll!

Righto Neil go watch the DVD of 300 that bloke from my work lent me and tell me what you think!

 

Anyone else seen 300?  Farking great movie!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DONNA SPIRES
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] DVD Cover Ideas

Neil

The artwork of the DVD Cover Ideas are excellent. I love them.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 12:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

Can you please send a link for these specific DVD covers? 

 

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In a message dated 4/2/2007 6:19:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Hmmm....I think Serenity kicks ass - but does it kick POTA's ass?  Don't think so!

 

Maybe it does.

The weird part is I think I've seen it,

but I don't remember it.  It's strange

because I can usually remember even

very obscure stuff on one viewing.  So

it's strange that something THAT good

seems so vague in my memory like that

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In a message dated 4/2/2007 6:24:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I even apologised for pressuring people and explained I was in poor health and maybe that has something to do with it.

 

Very understandable.  You could take two

people deep in love, but you take away food

and sleep, maybe stick them in a car for a long

drive or something and they'll be at each other's throats!

 

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Would someone please buy me one of these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Planet-of-the-apes-AM-RADIO_W0QQitemZ120104148073QQcategoryZ16469QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

*** While I'll admit the box drawing is pretty good, I do have to say "Damn it, another APES item based heavily in BATTLE artwork/design..."

I mean they could have easily drawn any generic gorilla or even Cornelius/Zira/Zaius, etc. (or similes of them) and yet they went with the BATTLE scenario...

That's what sucks with a lot of those items... So many of the pictures, etc. used are primarily from BATTLE and to a lesser extent, ESCAPE....


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.html I wrote to the USPS to request a stamp (the same way the other member here did) and I received the same reply that he did...

However, there is an address that can be written to to request stamps. The address is:

CITIZENS' STAMP ADVISORY COMMITTEE
U.S. POSTAL SERVICE
1735 N LYNN ST STE 5013
ARLINGTON VA 22209-6432

I have not written to them yet, so I have no idea if they would even reply at all...

Here is what I wrote when I wrote the USPS to request a set of anniversary stamps for PLANET (and yes, PLANET is the only one of those films that actually deserves to have itself on a stamp...) Feel free to copy this letter if you write the advisory committee...

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USPS,

It has come to my attention that you're going to be issuing a set of STAR
WARS stamps to commemorate it's 30th anniversary.

Since you're doing a set of stamps for that film, I'd like to suggest that
you create a set of commemorative (anniversary) stamps for the classic 1968 film PLANET OF THE APES.

PLANET OF THE APES is a cultural icon and it's impact is still felt today...
As a matter of fact, it was just voted # 4 in a list of top Sci-fi films of
all time. It was also voted into The Library of Congress as one of America's
great and important films. I believe that speaks very highly of it's continued
popularity and it's significance as a film.

2008 is the 40th anniversary of that classic film, and I believe that a set
of commemorative stamps is fitting for such an important film.

Thank you for your consideration,


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Email me privately if you can help... Thanks...


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2007 12:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

 Bill Blake is looking for any and all ORIGINAL publicity photos/press- kit materials, etc., from his 1970's "Meet Zira and Cornelius" live show-tours/personal appearances, especially Bill's 'before and after' photo captioned "William Blake as Cornelius" (an edited/cropped version of which can be seen on pg. 34 of Marvel's POTA Magazine # 12). Those who have any of these materials (Remember, ORIGINALS ONLY, and in VG to Excellent Condition), please contact me at veetus@earthlink. net . Thanks!    Jeff"

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2007 10:53 AM
To: 'PotaDG'
Subject: {Spam?} [PotaDG] Have a great Easter...

 

Manny

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:41 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

I'll pass this on to a couple of collectors.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2007 12:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Meet Cornelius' needs

 Bill Blake is looking for any and all ORIGINAL publicity photos/press- kit materials, etc., from his 1970's "Meet Zira and Cornelius" live show-tours/personal appearances, especially Bill's 'before and after' photo captioned "William Blake as Cornelius" (an edited/cropped version of which can be seen on pg. 34 of Marvel's POTA Magazine # 12). Those who have any of these materials (Remember, ORIGINALS ONLY, and in VG to Excellent Condition), please contact me at veetus@earthlink. net . Thanks!    Jeff"

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: New PotaDG member

*** I'll have to let him answer that one myself, but from what I know of him from the Mego Museum, I do know he has a healthy army of Soldier Apes and he made some customs (Wanda from "The Interrogation" comes to mind...)

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I guess I was angry that - as a snapshot - you have recently only posted about once a month, but you do take the time to accuse me (ot the DG or whatever) of being unfair to poor old James and Schmutz.  I guess you would agree it would have been far more effective had you ignored your urge to comment and maybe just started up a new thread?

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2007 4:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] MONKEY PLANET audio drama CD?

Can anyone out there set me up with a CD of the MONKEY PLANET radio drama?

Email me privately if you can help... Thanks

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Thanks to Neil Foster, the Cracked parody entitled "Planets of the Creatures" has been added to the Magazines Page.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 10:46 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 236, Famous Monsters and Conquest pressbook

Mighty World of Marvel issue 236 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue continues the Terror storyline.

 

For those who just aren't feeling the love for Jason, Alexander and the gang (you know who you are), we have some extra treats this week. First we have three articles from Famous Monsters magazine. Issue 80 has an article on Beneath, issue 103 has a tribute to Arthur P. Jacobs and issue 108 has an article on Battle. Thanks to Chris Lawless for lending me copies of these issues from his collection so I could scan them.

 

Also now available is the Conquest pressbook, scanned by James Aquila.

 

https://pota. goatley.com

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-- Can or has anyone been able to do this for you yet? If no one closer to you can, let me know and I can make a copy for you but you'll have to wait for postage from Downunder.

*** No, nobody has contacted me about being able to do this for me...


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.html In a message dated 4/5/2007 8:22:11 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- These sound like they are worth seeing. Any links to them anywhere?

The postings he did that showed some of his stuff might still be buried in the Mego Museum somewhere...

Link to the Mego Museum:

Mego Museum: The World's Greatest Mego Playset : Mego Toys : Mego Corp : Mego

And, fo anyone with any interest, if you go to the MM, you'll see pictures of prototype LOGAN'S RUN figures!


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Radio

Hey, it says, "REMOVABLE COVER ! INSERT ANY PICTURE"

I could buy it and replace those tired old monkeys with a picture of Limbo!

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.htmlNeil,

You don't need to copy the MP CD for me after all... The "other Neil" is copying it for me instead...

Thank you for offering though...

By the way, have you and/or Whitty thought of anything to do with the idea(s) I proposed for the short story you're undertaking?

LMK,

Mike


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2007 10:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] MONKEY PLANET audio drama CD?

Neil,

You don't need to copy the MP CD for me after all... The "other Neil" is copying it for me instead...

Thank you for offering though...

By the way, have you and/or Whitty thought of anything to do with the idea(s) I proposed for the short story you're undertaking?

LMK,

Mike


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Hello.

I am new to this group.

I have read old emails that talk about comics produced by fans.

Can someone please tell me more.

I perchase the new comics "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" and I
saw some art from Neil Foster. My first thought was that he should
have been used for the 6 comics.

Is Neil Foster the illustrator of the fan comics?

Sarah

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zirajackson
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 11:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Member

Hello.

I am new to this group.

I have read old emails that talk about comics produced by fans.

Can someone please tell me more.

I perchase the new comics "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" and I
saw some art from Neil Foster. My first thought was that he should
have been used for the 6 comics.

Is Neil Foster the illustrator of

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 4:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)

Hey Sarah

 

Welcome to the group!

 

There are a few fan produced comics.

 

There's a couple from a Scottish fellow, Mike McColm.

 

One is about Milo finding the ship, another is a finale to the TV Show.  I like these comics.  They are certainly great for a fan-produced item.  I'll try to find a link or 2.

 

Neil has been involved in quite a few comics.

 

The first was Beware the Beast.

 

You can see this on Hunter Goatley's website (link coming) or I can provide you a complete version with additional pages (unavailable elsewhere) - email me off the group.

 

Michael

 

 

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of zirajackson
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 11:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Member

Hello.

I am new to this group.

I have read old emails that talk about comics produced by fans.

Can someone please tell me more.

I perchase the new comics "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" and I
saw some art from Neil Foster. My first thought was that he should
have been used for the 6 comics.

Is Neil Foster the illustrator of the fan comics?

Sarah

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.html.html OK, so I watch PLANET yesterday for the umpteenth time (I stopped counting after 250 viewings), and what did I spot I've never noticed before?  Powerlines in a shot!  It's at 1:23:09 into the movie, after Lucius helps Taylor and Nova escape and the camera titles up and Zira says the line, "I told you not to bring the other one!"  Freeze the shot and look at what's just behind Lucius' back.  Three powerlines against the blue sky.  Of course, there would have had to have been electricity brought into the Fox ranch to power all the equipment, so I guess here are three of the lines bringing it in.  Incredible I never noticed it before.

Later in the movie, at 1:29:11, I also noticed, atop a cliff just before the nose of Heston's horse covers it (it goes past very quickly), what looks like a tower for powerlines in the Arizona desert.

Check it out.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2007 2:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Evolution?

The picture didn't come through. Where did you find it?

Anthony

On Apr 8, 2007, at 3:27 am, Michael Whitty wrote:

Anyone know what the hell this is?  What's "Journey Back to the POTA"?

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Welcome!

All the Fan Comics are great. The writing and artwork are excellent. You
will enjoy them.

Donna

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)
>Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:24:30 +1000
>
>After Beware the Beast, Neil and I wanted to give the fans on the groups
>something to discuss.
>
>So we designed a comic in strip form, hoping we could get some stimulating
>conversations going.
>
>This srtip was entitled "WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES". It got a few
>comments but the objective essentially failed. It was a lot of fun though,
>and while it was invented as a "throwaway" story, and a formulaic strip not
>to be taken too seriously, it really is pretty cool.
>
>Michael
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>Michael Whitty
>Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 4:57 PM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)
>
>
>
>
>
>Hey Sarah
>
>Welcome to the group!
>
>There are a few fan produced comics.
>
>There's a couple from a Scottish fellow, Mike McColm.
>
>One is about Milo finding the ship, another is a finale to the TV Show. I
>like these comics. They are certainly great for a fan-produced item. I'll
>try to find a link or 2.
>
>Neil has been involved in quite a few comics.
>
>The first was Beware the Beast.
>
>You can see this on Hunter Goatley's website (link coming) or I can provide
>you a complete version with additional pages (unavailable elsewhere) -
>email
>me off the group.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>zirajackson
>Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 11:11 AM
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [PotaDG] New Member
>
>
>
>Hello.
>
>I am new to this group.
>
>I have read old emails that talk about comics produced by fans.
>
>Can someone please tell me more.
>
>I perchase the new comics "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" and I
>saw some art from Neil Foster. My first thought was that he should
>have been used for the 6 comics.
>
>Is Neil Foster the illustrator of the fan comics?
>
>Sarah
>
>
>
>
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Is Neil Foster the illustrator of the fan comics?

Yes he is... And his work is TOP NOTCH!


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Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
something new when they're not.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
POTA"?
>
> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>
<http://static.cdcovers.cc/12677361f09f1882f485a53d6cdeaabf/48a2e44fb
216d159
> ac6d1142a6b62435/46189fcb/Evolution_Of_The_Planet_Of_The_Apes-%
5Bcdcovers_cc
> %5D-front.jpg>
>

It looks to me, like a boxed set of the five original movies, and the documentary "Behind..." (re-titled "Journey Back to..."), released just prior to the Tim Burton movie.  I think it's a safe bet that it includes nothing new, particularly.  It might be a European, or Mexican release. 

Ty the Guy.

PS:  According to our publisher...Revolution on the Planet of the Apes has FINALLY been submitted to the Diamond Catalogue as a collected trade paperback.  Whew...that only took six months.

Should be on sale in June.

Ty the Guy.

On 4/9/07, gp3085 < urko3085@...> wrote:

Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
something new when they're not.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
POTA"?
>
> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>
<http://static.cdcovers.cc/12677361f09f1882f485a53d6cdeaabf/48a2e44fb
216d159
> ac6d1142a6b62435/46189fcb/Evolution_Of_The_Planet_Of_The_Apes-%
5Bcdcovers_cc
> %5D-front.jpg>
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gp3085
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 4:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Evolution?

Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
something new when they're not.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
POTA"?
>
> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>
< http://static. cdcovers. cc/12677361f09f1 882f485a53d6cdea abf/48a2e44fb
216d159
> ac6d1142a6b62435/ 46189fcb/ Evolution_ Of_The_Planet_ Of_The_Apes- %
5Bcdcovers_cc
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 6:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Evolution?

It looks to me, like a boxed set of the five original movies, and the documentary "Behind..." (re-titled "Journey Back to..."), released just prior to the Tim Burton movie.  I think it's a safe bet that it includes nothing new, particularly.  It might be a European, or Mexican release. 

Ty the Guy.

PS:  According to our publisher... Revolution on the Planet of the Apes has FINALLY been submitted to the Diamond Catalogue as a collected trade paperback.  Whew...that only took six months.

Should be on sale in June.

Ty the Guy.

On 4/9/07, gp3085 <urko3085@sbcglobal. net> wrote:

Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
something new when they're not.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
POTA"?
>
> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>
< http://static. cdcovers. cc/12677361f09f1 882f485a53d6cdea abf/48a2e44fb
216d159
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5Bcdcovers_cc
> %5D-front.jpg>
>

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This is a site for fan-made replacement cover art. They're useful if
you want to replace your cardboard WB DVD cases with standard plastic
ones, or if you don't like the original covers.

I like the idea of removing the statue of Liberty from the DVD cover
but the gorilla face doesn't work.

Anthony

On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:49 pm, gp3085 wrote:

> Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
> with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
> attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
> something new when they're not.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
> POTA"?
>>
>> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>>
> <http://static.cdcovers.cc/12677361f09f1882f485a53d6cdeaabf/48a2e44fb
> 216d159
>> ac6d1142a6b62435/46189fcb/Evolution_Of_The_Planet_Of_The_Apes-%
> 5Bcdcovers_cc
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 7:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Evolution?

This is a site for fan-made replacement cover art. They're useful if
you want to replace your cardboard WB DVD cases with standard plastic
ones, or if you don't like the original covers.

I like the idea of removing the statue of Liberty from the DVD cover
but the gorilla face doesn't work.

Anthony

On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:49 pm, gp3085 wrote:

> Based on the description on the wrap, it's the Behind documentary
> with a different title. Probably a translation error, or a crude
> attempt to make people buy the set thinking they're getting
> something new when they're not.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know what the hell this is? What's "Journey Back to the
> POTA"?
>>
>> DVD / Evolution Of The Planet Of The Apes / front
>>
> <http://static. cdcovers. cc/12677361f09f1 882f485a53d6cdea abf/48a2e44fb
> 216d159
>> ac6d1142a6b62435/ 46189fcb/ Evolution_ Of_The_Planet_ Of_The_Apes- %
>

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I very much enjoyed the stories in this series.

I liked much of the artwork too.

Are there bonuses in the collected trade paperback?

Sarah

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> PS: According to our publisher...Revolution on the Planet of the
Apes has
> FINALLY been submitted to the Diamond Catalogue as a collected trade
> paperback. Whew...that only took six months.
>
> Should be on sale in June.
>
> Ty the Guy.

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I love the new banner. The Artwork is excellent.

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>Posted by: "Ty Templeton" tybunny@... stigbunny
>It looks to me, like a boxed set of the five original movies, and the
>documentary "Behind..." (re-titled "Journey Back to..."), released just
>prior to the Tim Burton movie. I think it's a safe bet that it includes
>nothing new, particularly. It might be a European, or Mexican release.
>PS: According to our publisher...Revolution on the Planet of the Apes has
>FINALLY been submitted to the Diamond Catalogue as a collected trade
>paperback. Whew...that only took six months.
>Should be on sale in June.
>Ty the Guy.

Thanks for the update, Ty. I personally consider Revolution to be
one of the best Apes stories ever published, and I'm glad to hear
it's being given the trade paperback treatment so more fans can pick
it up. A lot of people had trouble finding the individual issues,
for some reaosn. I'll spread the word to anyone I know that might
buy it, as I'd love to see what you have in store for Empire on the
Planet of the Apes.

To be honest, I generally don't buy trade paperbacks because I
already have the original comics and don't want to buy the same thing
twice. However, I'm going to make an exception in this case because
of the new material rumored to be included, and because I want to
support the continuation of Mr. Comics' POTA line.

I know some fans were less thrilled with it than I was, but I can
genuinely say I thought Revolution was fantastic. Excellent artwork,
great dialog and an original premise that explained a lot of oddities
in the later films -- such as how the heck the apes suddenly evolved
so quickly -- while giving air time to nearly all the important apes
of the movies. I particularly enjoyed Hasslein's Notes, Caesar's
Journals and the backup stories, all of which offered great insight
into the mythos. My favorite backup story would probably be the one
about Armando's circus, with the alternate-future story about Zaius
and Milo coming in a close second.

Sadly, Virgil and Mandemus never showed up, though I understand
you're planning to use Mandemus in Empire if it's published. I'd also
love to see a tie-in to the TV series -- perhaps having the Zaius of
3978 recalling his ancestor, the Zaius of 3085...or perhaps having an
older Galen recalling the day he bid farewell to Burke and
Virdon...but I'm sure you already know what you plan to write about. :)

Rich the Other Guy

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I'd also love to see a tie-in to the TV series -- perhaps having the Zaius of 3978 recalling his ancestor, the Zaius of 3085...

I'd find that quite unappealing!

There is no proof that the two Zaius figures are related at all... Just 'cause their names are the same doesn't mean they'd be related... It'd be like saying that Galen's descendant is Dr. Galen from PLANET...


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DONNA SPIRES
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 2:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Banner

I love the new banner. The Artwork is

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zirajackson
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 11:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Member

Hello.

I am new to this group.

I have read old emails that talk about comics produced by fans.

Can someone please tell me more.

I perchase the new comics "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" and I
saw some art from Neil Foster. My first thought was that he should
have been used for the 6 comics.

Is Neil Foster the illustrator of the fan comics?

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 4:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)

Hey Sarah

 

Welcome to the group!

 

There are a few fan produced comics.

 

There's a couple from a Scottish fellow, Mike McColm.

 

One is about Milo finding the ship, another is a finale to the TV Show.  I like these comics.  They are certainly great for a fan-produced item.  I'll try to find a link or 2.

 

Neil has been involved in quite a few comics.

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 5:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)

After Beware the Beast, Neil and I wanted to give the fans on the groups something to discuss.

 

So we designed a comic in strip form, hoping we could get some stimulating conversations going.

 

This srtip was entitled "WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES".  It got a few comments but the objective essentially failed.  It was a lot of fun though, and while it was invented as a "throwaway" story, and a formulaic strip not to be taken too seriously, it really is pretty cool.

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2007 5:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Member (Fan Comics)

After Beware the Beast, Neil and I wanted to give the fans on the groups something to discuss.

 

So we designed a comic in strip form, hoping we could get some stimulating conversations going.

 

This srtip was entitled "WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES".  It got a few comments but the objective essentially failed.  It was a lot of fun though, and while it was invented as a "throwaway" story, and a formulaic strip not to be taken too seriously, it really is pretty cool.

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DONNA SPIRES
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 2:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Banner

I love the new banner. The Artwork is excellent.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 3:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New Banner

Wowsers!

 

That looks like one of the extra pages of Beware the Beast - IN FULL COLOUR!!!!

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>Posted by: " mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
> > I'd also love to see a tie-in to the TV series -- perhaps having
> the Zaius
> > of 3978 recalling his ancestor, the Zaius of 3085...
>I'd find that quite unappealing!

Heh heh -- on that point, I was actually just kidding. I guess that
didn't come across. :)

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 9:28 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: {Spam?} [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This week we switch to the Future History Chronicles storyline, and we'll continue that next issue as well. Don't fret Terror lovers, we'll get back to Jason and Alexander in issue 239. This week's issue also includes a two page letter column.

 

Right after I posted last week, Hunter added the Cracked parody "Planets of the Creatures," contributed by Neil Foster. Thanks Neil, and sorry I was too quick with last week's announcement to include it then.

 

Also last week, Hunter made some long-planned changes to his site, reorganizing it to make things a little easier to find.

 

Since last week he's added a video by Darren Stockford from the recent memorabilia show in the UK , an article on that show (thanks to Dave Ballard), a number of foreign lobby cards and promotional stills (thanks to Brendan McCaul, Kevin and Bruce from the PotA group, and Glen Sheetz), an invitation and information card for a promotional screening of Beneath (thanks to Chris Lawless) and the last issue in our Simian Scrolls scanning project. The first 6 hard-to-find issues of Simian Scrolls are now all available in PDF format.

 

I'm on vacation for the next two weeks, so you're all on your own to find you way to Hunter's site next week and the week after for the next two Marvel UK issues.

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 9:28 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This week we switch to the Future History Chronicles storyline, and we'll continue that next issue as well. Don't fret Terror lovers, we'll get back to Jason and Alexander in issue 239. This week's issue also includes a two page letter column.

 

Right after I posted last week, Hunter added the Cracked parody "Planets of the Creatures," contributed by Neil Foster. Thanks Neil, and sorry I was too quick with last week's announcement to include it then.

 

Also last week, Hunter made some long-planned changes to his site, reorganizing it to make things a little easier to find.

 

Since last week he's added a video by Darren Stockford from the recent memorabilia show in the UK , an article on that show (thanks to Dave Ballard), a number of foreign lobby cards and promotional stills (thanks to Brendan McCaul, Kevin and Bruce from the PotA group, and Glen Sheetz), an invitation and information card for a promotional screening of Beneath (thanks to Chris Lawless) and the last issue in our Simian Scrolls scanning project. The first 6 hard-to-find issues of Simian Scrolls are now all available in PDF format.

 

I'm on vacation for the next two weeks, so you're all on your own to find you way to Hunter's site next week and the week after for the next two Marvel UK issues.

 

https://pota. goatley.com/

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 9:28 PM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

 and the last issue in our Simian Scrolls scanning project. The first 6 hard-to-find issues of Simian Scrolls are now all available in PDF format.

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Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

Right after I posted last week, Hunter added the Cracked parody "Planets of the Creatures," contributed by Neil Foster. Thanks Neil, and sorry I was too quick with last week's announcement to include it then.

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-- So there are no plans for the rest then? Any reason for this?

 

Neil

 

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Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

 and the last issue in our Simian Scrolls scanning project. The first 6 hard-to-find issues of Simian Scrolls are now all available in PDF format.

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-- That's okay I forgive you. ;-)

 

Neil (from the PotADG Group)

 

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Subject: [PotaDG] Mighty World of Marvel issue 237 and other stuff

Right after I posted last week, Hunter added the Cracked parody "Planets of the Creatures," contributed by Neil Foster. Thanks Neil, and sorry I was too quick with last week's announcement to include it then.

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Since last week he's added a video by Darren Stockford from the recent memorabilia show in the UK

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.html In a message dated 4/11/2007 7:19:57 AM Central Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar

>I'd also love to see a tie-in to the TV series -- perhaps having
> the Zaiusof 3978 recalling his ancestor, the Zaius of 3085...

>I'd find that quite unappealing!

>Heh heh -- on that point, I was actually just kidding.  I guess that didn't come  >across.  :)

> Well, I can't say you'd be alone if you did want such a story... Patrick I believe it is figures the two Zaius figures are related and are both part of the "Zaius Dynasty"...

There are some other people I recall that thought Coucilor Zaius from the TV series is actually Dr. Zaius from the films and that the previous astronauts TV Zaius mentions are Taylor and Brent!

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Prolly coz you feature heavily in the next 2 buddy!

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.html In a message dated 4/11/2007 6:29:19 AM Central Daylight Time, urko3085@... writes:

Also last week, Hunter made some long-planned changes to his site, reorganizing it to make things a little easier to find.

Since last week he's added a video by Darren Stockford from the recent memorabilia show in the UK

*** My question is this: Will this video be burned to DVD to be made available to the masses? I mean this computer is crap, I couldn't watch it on Hunter's sight even if I wanted to... I think this video sounds interesting enough to warrant inclusion on one of Hunter's upcoming projects...


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At 05:10 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
>There are some other people I recall that thought Coucilor Zaius from the TV
>series is actually Dr. Zaius from the films and that the previous astronauts
>TV Zaius mentions are Taylor and Brent!

LOL -- Well, anyone who believes that clearly isn't paying attention,
given that it would make Zaius about 1,000 years old in the films!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> At 05:10 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
> >Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
> >There are some other people I recall that thought Coucilor Zaius

from the TV

> >series is actually Dr. Zaius from the films and that the previous

astronauts

> >TV Zaius mentions are Taylor and Brent!
>
> LOL -- Well, anyone who believes that clearly isn't paying attention,
> given that it would make Zaius about 1,000 years old in the films!
>

But you can see how the casual viewer might make that mistake. Given
that the writers of the movies and tv series weren't too bothered with
details like dates, etc, I wonder why they made that reference- was it
a lazy attempt to tie in with the movies, or a plot device they planned
to come back to, or just to set the scenario that Urko and Zaius knew
how dangerous the astronauts could be?

.html In a message dated 4/12/2007 9:27:12 AM Central Daylight Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

I wonder why they made that reference- was it
a lazy attempt to tie in with the movies, or a plot device they planned
to come back to, or just to set the scenario that Urko and Zaius knew
how dangerous the astronauts could be?

*** The last one has always been my guess... I figure they just wanted the apes to see the astronauts as an "instant threat", and having been familiarized with a different crew, they'd assume Virdon and Burke would be the same... As far as a plot device, I don't see that happening, because the previous astronauts were killed and because they were killed off, it's not like Virdon/Burke could stumble across someone from the past that might be able to help them...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/12/2007 9:27:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
> neilmoxham@... writes:
>
>
> > I wonder why they made that reference- was it
> > a lazy attempt to tie in with the movies, or a plot device they

planned

> > to come back to, or just to set the scenario that Urko and Zaius

knew

> > how dangerous the astronauts could be?
> >
> > *** The last one has always been my guess... I figure they just

wanted the

> > apes to see the astronauts as an "instant threat", and having

been

> > familiarized with a different crew, they'd assume Virdon and

Burke would be the same...

> > As far as a plot device, I don't see that happening, because the

previous

> > astronauts were killed and because they were killed off, it's not

like

> > Virdon/Burke could stumble across someone from the past that

might be able to help

> > them...
>

If not someone then maybe something, like equipment or even a ship?
Also I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for the original
astronauts to have faked their deaths: Galen kind of did that in the
last episode.
But I think that's all pretty unlikely as they didn't have any type
of story arc running through the series.

.html In a message dated 4/13/2007 5:36:24 AM Central Daylight Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

Also I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for the original
astronauts to have faked their deaths: Galen kind of did that in the
last episode.

Yes, but Urko had them killed!


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In a message dated 4/13/2007 5:36:24 AM Central Daylight Time, neilmoxham@eircom. net writes:

Also I don't think it would be too much of a stretch for the original
astronauts to have faked their deaths: Galen kind of did that in the
last episode.

Yes, but Urko had them killed!


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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Planet of the Apes: Episode 4: Chapter 3

 

Planet of the Apes: Episode 4: Chapter 3
Trapped in the unforgiving desolation of their newfound world, Taylor, Dodge and Landon find paradise in a tropical oasis...or so they think. In addition to the boon of food and water, the stranded astronauts soon discover they are not alone. A group of strangely mute humans reveal themselves and our heroes meet Nova -- an angelic vision in an otherwise arid hell.
Cornelius- Mark Kalita
The Law Giver - Mark Kalita
Landon - Miles Reid
Dodge - Doug Mannlin
Taylor - Bill Hollweg
Gorillas-Miles Reid
Gorillas- Colin Snow
Gorillas-Bill Hollweg
Gorillas-James Freeman
Lessons from the Lawgiver Provided By James of LFTL and Tonights lesson written by Glen Scheetz

Planet of the Apes Written and Directed by Bill Hollweg

 

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Rich: "I'd also love to see a tie-in to the TV series -- perhaps
having the Zaius of 3978 recalling his ancestor, the Zaius of 3085..."

Cougar: "I'd find that quite unappealing!"

Rich: "Heh heh -- on that point, I was actually just kidding. I
guess that didn't come across." :)

Cougar: "Well, I can't say you'd be alone if you did want such a
story... Patrick I believe it is figures the two Zaius figures are
related and are both part of the "Zaius Dynasty"...

There are some other people I recall that thought Councilor Zaius
from the TV series is actually Dr. Zaius from the films and that the
previous astronauts TV Zaius mentions are Taylor and Brent!"

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*** Let me chime in here, if I may, folks.

If one assumes -- as I do -- that the TV series adventures happen in
the same "universe" as the 5 films, especially in a Circular Timeline
scenario (as I accept, for a number of reasons which I won't go into
here), then anybody who thinks or thought that the TV Zaius might be
the same Zaius in "PLANET" and "BENEATH" is just daft!

The humans living in the Ape-dominated region near the New York
Forbidden Zone are MUTE animals, whereas the humans living in the Ape-
dominated region near the "forbidden cities" of San Francisco and
Oakland still have the power of speech and are slaves of the Apes.

Fans are free to interpret the TV show as being in a
different "universe" from the films, but as for me I prefer to link
all the live-action APES adventures under the single "universe"
umbrella, with the TV show taking place roughly halfway
between "BATTLE" and "PLANET", representing a change from the rosy
living-together-in-imperfect-harmony scene at the end of "BATTLE"
(circa 2670 A.D.) where the Apes have proceeded not only to dominate
the race of Man but also to have ERASED MAN'S HISTORY of former
dominance, so that Galen grew up being taught that "Apes have ALWAYS
ruled the world!"

At the end of "PLANET", Dr. Zaius tells Taylor: "All my life I've
awaited your coming, and dreaded it -- like Death itself!" Taylor
refers to him as the "Guardian of the Terrible Secret". The secret
Zaius kept had to have been told to him fairly soon after he became
enough of a responsible adult to have it entrusted to him -- he
says "ALL MY LIFE" after all. Who might have known the secret BEFORE
he learned it? Who entrusted him with that secret?

We could imagine a number of differing possibilities. A "secret
society" with a "Grand Master" knowing that ultimate Secret and
entrusting it to his successor -- perhaps ONLY to his successor, so
that only ONE ape at any one time knows that secret in addition to
the Grand Master.

Or, it could've been a secret passed down from Father-to-Son,
generation after generation, with Zaius' father having passed that
secret onto him when he was a young yet mature-for-his-age Ape.

Or, Zaius' father could, himself, have been the Grand Master of that
secret society, and -- when he died -- his son, Zaius, ascended in
rank to the position of Grand Master. Perhaps the "office" referred
to as "CHIEF DEFENDER OF THE FAITH" -- though PUBLICLY pretending
that Apes have always been the "Lords of the planet" ever since the
simian God created the Ape in His own image -- also PRIVATELY keeps
the Terrible Secret of Man's former dominance. Zaius, in private,
acknowledged to Taylor that he was a closet heretic, as much so as
Zira and Cornelius became public heretics, due to his suspicion that
Taylor was a mutant.

The 1st film dates the Nuke War to roughly within a generation of
Taylor's flight from Earth -- Cornelius dates the human fossils
at "roughly" 700 years prior to the Carnivorous Gorilla fossils which
he dates to 1,300 years ago (i.e. before the year in which "PLANET"
takes place, which I accept as 3955 due to the sequels).
So, "roughly" 1300 + 700 years earlier would put the ruins of human
civilization at or near the end of the 20th Century.

At some point AFTER the man-made catastrophe that ended his
civilization, not only did Apes eventually degrade Man to the status
of a mute animal, but the Apes were themselves made to be
historically BLIND to the truth about the Past -- fooled by their
Lawgiver (if not BEFORE that) into believing their "Articles of
Faith" regarding simian dominance ever since the Creation.

But at least ONE ape would know the Truth about Man, and that Ape
would've HAD to pass that secret on to a successor, generation after
generation, down through the years, at LEAST from the time of the
Lawgiver (which was 1,200 years prior to "PLANET", circa 2755 A.D.).

Thus, we shouldn't have been all that surprised to find, in 3085
A.D., that the Apes have subjugated Man and replaced the history
recited by the "nice" Lawgiver (portrayed by John Huston) in 2670 to
the interracial group of "equals" -- Chimps & Humans & Orangutans but
NO GORILLAS -- with a history that has erased Man's prior history of
superior civilization. Nor should we have been surprised to see that
the ONE ape who knows the True history just happens to be in the top
position in the Ape government: an orangutan named ZAIUS.

The obvious conclusion is that Chief Councillor ZAIUS is a direct
lineal ancestor of the Doctor ZAIUS (Chief Defender of the Faith) who
will live 870 years later, and that the SAME "terrible secret" which
Dr. Zaius knows in 3955 was handed down to him from his father, who
learned it from HIS father, who learned it from HIS father...

... etc etc etc etc...

... who learned it from Chief Councillor Zaius, who had learned it
from HIS father...

In "PLANET" Zaius mentions that he has a "granddaughter" who plays
with human dolls. That tells us that he has either a SON, a DAUGHTER,
or perhaps BOTH. If he has a son, perhaps he has already entrusted
him with the Terrible Secret. Or, perhaps not. IF Zaius had some sort
of prior knowledge of the End of the World occurring in his lifetime
(based on the "date meter" information that Caesar's mother
mentions, "Thirty-Nine... Fifty..." [the "something" being cut off by
the time Caesar saw and heard those tapes in "BATTLE"]), then maybe
Zaius did NOT yet inform his own son, his would-be successor.

In my scenario, though, Zaius DOES have a son and he DID show him the
secret -- by taking him to see the half-buried Statue of Liberty.
I've got a scene in my POTA-opus planned whereby Zaius not only takes
his adult son out (by boat) to the site of the Statue in 3949 A.D. or
so (i.e. about a year before the date of Doomsday, according to one
of the "Secret Scrolls"), but he also shows those "history scrolls
which were kept hidden from the masses" to his son, to teach to him
the true history of the world... to reveal to him knowledge that will
make him a closet heretic who MUST keep the secret.

On pain of death.

In my scenario, Zaius warns his own son that he must agree to keep
the secret -- he must SWEAR to it -- or he will be killed. Zaius is
prepared to kill his own son in the shadow of the Statue if his son
defiantly threatens to reveal the Truth to the rest of Ape City, just
as Zaius' father had had to threaten HIM a generation earlier.

Zaius' son, then, will reluctantly agree to keep the Secret, knowing
that although the Lawgiver commanded that "Ape must never kill Ape",
his own father -- like all their fathers before, going back at least
to the time of the Lawgiver -- was prepared to do just that.

I think I mentioned the next bit a few years ago, but in my scenario
I'm having it that the "Hunt Leader" character in "PLANET" --
["What's Doctor Zira trying to prove?"] -- is the same dead gorilla
whose funeral Taylor interrupts the next day. Meaning... that he DIED
later on after the scene where Taylor tried to reveal his
intelligence by writing in the sand in the outdoor cage.

The "Hunt Leader" who attempts to commandeer Zira and Lucius' wagon
(when they smuggle Taylor and Nova out of Ape City), then, is the
SUCCESSOR to the earlier Hunt Leader: in my scenario, the successor
Hunt Leader is URSUS, who parrots his own anti-human sentiment
in "BENEATH", having said earlier that "The only good human is a DEAD
human!"

The big question: What was the cause-of-death of the 1st Hunt Leader?
Natural causes? Or... could it have been murder?

In my scenario, the 1st Hunt Leader had discovered -- after fellow
hunter Ursus and others -- that at least ONE of the humans captured
in the hunt could TALK. He confronted Zaius about it, or Zaius --
having somebody he trusted keeping an eye on Landon (who was being
kept in seclusion, of course) -- stepped in when the Hunt Leader
found out about Landon and was about to raise a ruckus.

The upshot is that the Hunt Leader winds up DEAD and his funeral is
held the very next day.

And, perhaps the widowed wife of the Hunt Leader suspects foul play.
What would she do? To whom could she turn to ferret out the truth?

In my scenario, Zaius' son is in the Ministry of Justice. He knows
the Terrible Secret and wishes he could tell it to everybody else...
to ANYbody else... hating the fact that the Truth has been hidden
from everybody by his own ancestors "for their own good"... but he
has given his oath that he won't divulge the Secret. He knows that
his father will either kill him or have him killed if he ever goes
back on his word. On the oath he was coerced into giving, on pain of
death when his father took him out to see the Statue, and revealed
those original history scrolls to him.

The one ape he KNOWS to be capable of murder is... his own father. If
his dad, Zaius, is prepared to kill his own son in order to keep the
Terrible Secret, then it follows that he would also be prepared to
kill ANY OTHER APE who might discover the Secret and attempt to
divulge it to the masses.

If, he reasons, the Hunt Leader had discovered some evidence
regarding the Terrible Secret and then foolishly told Zaius that he
was going to REVEAL it to everybody as soon as he could... then that
orangutan would know that his father, Zaius, would not hesitate to
kill him. Probably with some kind of poison -- say, arsenic in a cup
of carrot juice or apricot wine?

But how to PROVE such a suspicion!

There's the fact that the escaped human who had crashed that funeral
had soon afterwards been caught -- and then he had TALKED! One of the
humans who had been captured at the last hunt... he could TALK. So,
too, might OTHERS have been able to talk. And if the Hunt Leader,
then, right before his sudden death, had HEARD a talking human prior
to Taylor's very public outburst, and had threatened to divulge such
information to the yet-ignorant public... then that would be MOTIVE
for Zaius to murder him.

Remember that scene in Boulle's novel, where an ape brain surgeon
named Helius electrically stimulates the exposed brain-matter of
human test subjects... so that Ulysse Merou hears the "beast"-like
humans SPEAK, divulging ancestral memories dating back thousands of
years?

In my scenario, after Landon is lobotomized yet BEFORE he dies and is
stuffed and placed next to Dodge in the Great Hall of the Zaius
Museum... a similar experiment is done on him. After Taylor's
tribunal, where he publicly claimed that the human who had suffered a
skull fracture during the Hunt (allegedly) was, like him, another
talking human... Zaius' son suspects that his father had had him
lobotomized, in order to prevent other apes from finding out about
the existence of one (and possibly more) talking humans in their
vicinity -- just as Taylor accused: "YOU did that to him, damn you!
You cut out his memory, you took his identity, and that's what you
want to do to ME!"

It's too bad that a lobotomized human cannot talk, even if he COULD
talk earlier. Perhaps he was a witness to Zaius' murder-by-poison of
the Hunt Leader... but, if so, he's a vegetable now, and can't be
questioned as an eyewitness. His brain's been cut up. He can't be
useful in the covert murder investigation...

... or CAN he?

I'm having it that a "Doctor Helius" -- a scientist known to Zira,
but 'loyal' to Zaius, in fact the very "fine veterinary surgeon"
Zaius mentioned at the Tribunal who "saved" Landon's life by
operating on him after his alleged "skull fracture" -- that this
Doctor Helius did cut up or cut out Landon's frontal lobes... but he
did so KNOWING THAT LANDON'S MIND WAS STILL INSIDE WHAT IS LEFT OF
HIS BRAIN, dormant though it may be.

There's an excellent book called "THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE" by a guy
named Michael Talbot. On page 13 he references an experiment:

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What [neuropsychologist Karl] Lashley had done was to train rats to
perform a variety of tasks, such as run a maze. Then he surgically
removed various portions of their brains and retested them. His aim
was literally to cut out the area of the rats' brains containing the
memory of their maze-running ability. To his surprise he found that
no matter what portion of their brains he cut out, he could not
eradicate their memories. Often the rats' motor skills were impaired
and they stumbled clumsily through the mazes, but even with massive
portions of their brains removed, their memories remained stubbornly
intact.
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Thus, I'm having Doctor Helius perform a post-lobotomy experiment on
Landon in the presence of Zaius' son, whom he has told (in
confidence) of his "memory experiments" in human test subjects. In
other words, what Karl Lashley did with a bunch of rats -- cutting
chunks of their brains out in an attempt to excise a previously-
learned maze-running memory believed to be localized in the brain --
Helius did with a bunch of humans. He knew that he could not erase
the memories or identities of the talking human (Landon) based on
prior experiments he had performed on the mute "animal" humans... but
those memories would lie dormant in the post-operative test subject
UNLESS AND UNTIL THOSE MEMORIES COULD BE STIMULATED BACK TO THE
SURFACE VIA ELECTRICAL STIMULATION.

Thus, in a scene that takes place after Zira and Lucius smuggle
Taylor and Nova out of Ape City (etc), and BEFORE Landon eventually
dies, Helius will electrically stimulate his brain while Zaius' son
observes. Zaius, of course, will be out-of-town, off chasing after
the fugitive heretics and their astronaut friend... so the son of
Zaius will have an opportunity to seek after the truth unimpeded by
the presence of his father.

And, just as Ulysse Merou hears a "mute" human TALK in Boulle's
novel, so too will Zaius' son hear LANDON speak again, his brain-
damaged mind once more able to express itself vocally due to
electrical stimulation of his brain -- for although Zaius had had
Helius operate on Landon's BRAIN, he DID NOT have him cut out his
vocal cords, which enables Landon later to USE those speech organs
again, in extraordinary circumstances.

Landon will be coaxed into describing the scene he witnessed with
tongue-tied horror, as the gorilla Hunt Leader berates Zaius for
conspiring to cover-up this amazing "find" (a talking human), just as
he must have been covering up "heretical" evidence all along...
Landon will describe how Zaius then managed to poison the gorilla,
who KNEW he had been poisoned, too late to change the outcome.
Landon, then, will have been scared shitless, begging for his life,
promising never to utter a sound... with Zaius looking at him with
hatred and contempt prior to questioning him: "Are there others like
you?... How many?..." etc.

Zaius' son, then, will have the proof he needs, even if it can't be
used in court. At the very least, it is something he can confront his
father about: "Dad, there was a WITNESS to your murder of the Hunt
Leader... the talking human Taylor called 'Landon'... Before he died,
he was able to describe the events leading up to the time he was
lobotomized..." etc etc. "I know you're a murderer, father."

And how could Zaius, then, respond to that? Zaius, confronted by the
ONLY ape who KNOWS that he was willing and able to kill another ape
(his own son) in order to preserve the Terrible Secret... how can he
justify his actions?

He doesn't need to. He still has his own son's oath not to divulge
the Secret, and just as Cornelius will have no proof after the
explosives destroy the evidence in the Cave, so too will Zaius' son
have no evidence of the murder of the Hunt Leader with Landon dead.
Only the fellow testimony of Doctor Helius, who -- although willing
to reveal to Zaius' son the truth that the brain-stimulation
experiment showed -- is still loyal to Zaius, having been willing,
before, to cut up Landon's brain in order to further the plot
to "expose" Zira and Cornelius at Taylor's "trial".

Helius isn't a fool. He knows that with no admissible evidence to be
used against Zaius, his son won't be able to bring charges against
him for murder. So, Helius won't talk; and, if subpoena'd to appear
before a Grand Jury, he tells Zaius' son that he'd sooner LIE than
lend his eyewitness testimony to destroy Zaius. Those orangutans tend
to stick together... Zaius' son being perhaps the only honorable one
around then, stymied against getting justice for the murdered gorilla.

Thus, on his return from the Forbidden Zone (after "PLANET" and
before "BENEATH"), Zaius will have to come to some kind of
understanding with his son -- a son who detests him for being a
latter-day "Aldo", an ape who has killed another ape. All in order to
keep a Secret that he and their ancestral line considered too
dangerous for the masses to know.

One of the reasons Zaius will go back into the Forbidden Zone, to
accompany Ursus and his army, will be because he knows that it's only
a matter of time before his estranged son blurts out the truth about
his murdering father. Zaius, heartsick over having had to do horrible
things in order to keep the burdensome Secret, won't want to go
further with his threat against his son, a son he won't be able to
restrain much longer. Rather than face that music in Ape City during
Ursus' absence during the Invasion, Zaius elects to accompany him,
hoping (perhaps) to make a difference should the occasion arise.

Doomsday was SUPPOSED to have arrived in "3950" (according to the
ancient scroll, which told how the "ghost" of Caesar's mother
revealed that date to him after he "descended into the Netherworld"
and acquired that Knowledge from his dead parents). Perhaps doomsday
had only been delayed half a decade, he muses. Zaius knew that
a "ship from outer space" -- from Earth's human-dominated Past --
would show up in his time, because the "parent apes" of the Ape King
CAESAR would fly in that ship and go backwards through Time so as to
give birth to their royal heir at the dawn of simian civilization.
When he eventually discovers that Zira is pregnant with a child by
her fiancee/husband Cornelius, Zaius suspects that THEY must be
the "parents apes" of Caesar... because it would make perfect sense
for Caesar to name his own son after his father: CORNELIUS. The
murdered child-heir to the simian throne.

"So... think well before you act," Zaius admonishes Cornelius and
Zira. He talks of "the whole FUTURE of our civilization" which may be
theirs to preserve or destroy. What if he already knows, then, that
their civilization's FUTURE actually lies at its BEGINNING?

Zira's pregnancy is the penultimate tidbit of knowledge that will
complete the circle for Zaius. All that's left is the "bright white
blinding light" that would be witnessed from Space... the destruction
of the planet of the apes. And, when Zaius sees "the instrument of
[the] God" of Mendez XXVI, is it any wonder that he KNOWS that it is
a "weapon built by Man" which "will destroy us all"? How else could
he KNOW this to be true? Has he ever seen a missile before? Did he
hear Mendez call it a "bomb"? NO, he didn't.

Zaius, when confronted with the mortally wounded Taylor near the
control panel dais of the Doomsday Bomb, has lived his entire life
keeping the Secret his distant ancestors had been keeping for well
over a thousand years. The REASON he's kept that Secret is due to an
ideological conviction that "Man is evil, capable of nothing but
destruction!" Rather than jump in front of Taylor and PREVENT him
from triggering the Bomb, Zaius just STANDS THERE... and LETS HIM
DETONATE IT.

Why???

Because, by allowing Taylor to destroy the world, Zaius is being
PROVED RIGHT about Man... AND, by allowing the world to be destroyed,
he is allowing that act to create the unique circumstances which will
allow a re-orbiting spaceship to be thrown into the Timewarp which he
knows MUST happen, to send the pregnant Zira back in Time to 1973 so
that she can give birth to the Ape King CAESAR... and begin the
history of Ape Civilization. Zaius knows that the Future of his
people lies in the distant Past. And only a time-warping spaceship
can get that to happen... and only the explosion of the Doomsday Bomb
can trigger that journey back to the Beginning.

Patrick Tilton
EARTH-TIME 04-14-2007