|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45423 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: DVD Easter Eggs |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45424 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: DVD Easter Eggs |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45425 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Oh well... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45426 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45427 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45428 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45429 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45430 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45431 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45432 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45433 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45434 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45435 |
From: RedAce^ |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45436 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45437 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45438 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45439 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45440 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Planet Of The Apes LP |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45441 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45442 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45443 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45444 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45445 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Prints |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45446 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Prints |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45447 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Prints |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45448 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45449 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45450 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45451 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45452 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45453 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45454 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45455 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45456 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45457 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45458 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45459 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2007, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45460 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2007, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45461 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2007, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45462 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2007, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45463 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45464 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45465 |
From: Patrick Tilton |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45466 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45467 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/28/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45468 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Would Burton do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45469 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Aldo |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45470 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45471 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45472 |
From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45473 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45474 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45475 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45476 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Would Burton do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45477 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45478 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45479 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45480 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45481 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45482 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45483 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45484 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45485 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45486 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45487 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45488 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45489 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45490 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45491 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45492 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45493 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45494 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45495 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45496 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45497 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45498 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45499 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45500 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45501 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE buy a POTA comic NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45502 |
From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45503 |
From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45504 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45505 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45506 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45507 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45508 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45509 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Calendar musings |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45510 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45511 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45512 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45513 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45514 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45515 |
From: John |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45516 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45517 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45518 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Orangutans use 'charades' to talk |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45519 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45520 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45521 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45522 |
From: John |
Date: 8/3/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45423 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: DVD Easter Eggs |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45424 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: DVD Easter Eggs |
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Hi Neil
Yes, it is.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007
11:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] DVD Easter Eggs
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45425 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Oh well... |
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I actually enjoyed this more than I
enjoyed the BROKEN SEAS AUDIO production!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007
11:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Oh dear...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45426 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
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You’re right!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007
11:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Custom POTA
Pez dispenser!
In
a message dated 7/24/2007 7:17:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
mwhitty@optusnet. com.au writes:
Interesting – seems to
have a JAPANESE MOBILE PHONE PENDANT head on it!
That's no mobile phone pendant, that dispenser's head is the ADDAR/Polar Lights
Cornelius model kit head...
************ ********* ********* ********
Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover. aol.com/memed/ aolcom30tour
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45427 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/24/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45428 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Custom POTA Pez dispenser! |
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Ha!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007 1:18
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Custom POTA
Pez dispenser!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45429 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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It's official. Jackie Earl Haley, aka Kraik,
will play Rory, er, Rorschach in the movie version of the classic "Watchmen"
graphic novel. It's being directed by Zack Snyder ("300") in Vancouver this
fall. Also in the cast is Billy Crudup (Dr. Manhattan), Jeffrey Dean Morgan of
"Grey's Anatomy" (the Comedian), Malin Akerman (Silk Spectre), Matthew Goode
(Ozymandias) and Patrick Wilson (Nite Owl). Jeff
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45430 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/25/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45431 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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I have been smoking some but not watching
any……
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 12:38
PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Who's
watching Kraik, man?
It's official. Jackie Earl Haley, aka Kraik, will play Rory, er,
Rorschach in the movie version of the classic "Watchmen" graphic
novel. It's being directed by Zack Snyder ("300") in
Vancouver this fall. Also in the cast is
Billy Crudup (Dr. Manhattan), Jeffrey Dean Morgan of "Grey's Anatomy"
(the Comedian), Malin Akerman (Silk Spectre), Matthew Goode (Ozymandias) and
Patrick Wilson (Nite Owl). Jeff
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45432 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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I like to lick a little boy’s Kraik!
Chris fLawless
J
xoxox
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 12:38
PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Who's
watching Kraik, man?
It's official. Jackie Earl Haley, aka Kraik, will play
Rory, er, Rorschach in the movie version of the classic "Watchmen"
graphic novel. It's being directed by Zack Snyder ("300") in
Vancouver this fall. Also
in the cast is Billy Crudup (Dr. Manhattan), Jeffrey Dean Morgan of
"Grey's Anatomy" (the Comedian), Malin Akerman (Silk Spectre),
Matthew Goode (Ozymandias) and Patrick Wilson (Nite Owl).
Jeff
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45433 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45434 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: comics |
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got my "Going Home" and the Hungarian Monkey Planet
comics today and they are AwesomE!!! Love them! DId
you say you had done "Within" the same way??
Tim
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45435 |
From: RedAce^ |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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Not yet, wife refuses to go.
Red.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:51
AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie (sorta
OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45436 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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The media watchdogs are at it again. Disney
has become the first studio to ban smoking from it's family films, and it's
executives will "discourage" smoking in it's more adult flicks, like Miramax and
Touchstone. That's just more political B.S. and censorship. As a life long movie
fan who never took up smoking, I find this buckling to pressure groups
ridiculous. Teaching kids not to smoke should take place in real life. Sometimes
smoking works as a way to show character or, yeah, showing rebellion. There
should be a pressure group to stop homogeneous corporate think in
society.
There was cigar smoking in POTA and remember
when Cornelius tries a smoke in "Escape"?
Jeff
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45437 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: comics |
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Hi Tim
Yes, WITHIN is available as such.
They feel right on paper eh?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 11:01
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] comics
got my "Going Home" and the Hungarian Monkey Planet
comics today and they are AwesomE!!! Love them! DId
you say you had done "Within" the same way??
Tim
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45438 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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In a message dated 7/25/2007 10:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
It's official. Jackie Earl Haley, aka Kraik, will play Rory, er, Rorschach in the movie version of the
classic "Watchmen" graphic novel.
Am I supposed to be excited about this?!!!
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Message: 45439 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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Yes, you're supposed to be excited that I
mentioned you in an e-mail. Hey, if we have to spend the rest of our lives
surrounded by comic book movies, they might as well adapt the best, and get
Kraik work. Jeff
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Who's watching
Kraik, man?
In a message dated 7/25/2007 10:40:04 PM
Eastern Standard Time, veetus@earthlink. net
writes:
It's
official. Jackie Earl Haley, aka Kraik, will play Rory, er, Rorschach in the
movie version of the classic "Watchmen" graphic
novel.
Am I supposed to be excited about this?!!!
--
Rory-a-whatever
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Message: 45440 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Planet Of The Apes LP |
.htmlFor those interested, the POTA LP myspace page has been updated with 3
new tracks...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=156171535
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Message: 45441 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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-- I saw it
yesterday!
Neil
Not yet, wife refuses to go.
Red.
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From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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What an incredible coincidence – so did
I!
Where did you go to see it?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Neil
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of RedAce^
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007
11:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Not yet, wife refuses to go.
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2007 5:51 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
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From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
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Thanks Neil.
Hey Cougar – how’s that
project going?
Michael
From:
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PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:05 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Planet Of The
Apes LP
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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I hope you Hollywood types will give your
opinion. It hasn't opened yet in California! Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:21
PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie
(sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
What an incredible
coincidence – so did I!
Where did you go to
see it?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:11
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject:
RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie
(sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Neil
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From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of RedAce^
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:11
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie
(sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Not yet, wife refuses to go.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject:
[PotaDG] Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the
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Message: 45445 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Prints |
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-- Have fun, wish
I was going.
Neil
I would love the set of all 5 prints, if you make these. Leaving for
the San Diego con. in just a few hours!! Hopefully I'll have some great
Apes stuff to post when I get
back.
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Message: 45446 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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-- No worries
Kevin we are still working on the prints but will let you know what's happening
with them as soon as there's news.
Neil
I loved the prints, just informed me when these prints come out. I
just
about to finish packing for the con in San Diego and I will be
taking
photos at the con. Hope to see some fellow ape fans out there.
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From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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-- Have fun, wish
I was going.
Neil
I would love the set of all 5 prints, if you make these. Leaving for
the San Diego con. in just a few hours!! Hopefully I'll have some great
Apes stuff to post when I get
back.
.
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Message: 45448 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: comics |
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--
Neil
Hi
Tim
Yes, WITHIN is
available as such.
They feel right on
paper eh?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 11:01
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG]
comics
got
my "Going Home" and the Hungarian Monkey Planet
comics today and they are
AwesomE!!! Love them! DId
you say you had done "Within" the same
way??
.
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Message: 45449 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
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-- Cool, thanks
for that.
Neil
For those interested, the POTA LP myspace page has been updated with 3
new tracks...
http://profile. myspace.com/ index.cfm?
fuseaction=user. viewprofile& friendID= 156171535
Haven't
listened to them yet, they're downloadable but don't always
seem to
download fully.
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Message: 45450 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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Yeah OK Jeff I suspected as much.
I don’t want to give anything away
but I can say it’s one of the funniest Simpsons I have seen in a while
and it’s got plenty of tributes to the very first Simpsons shows (let me
know if you get these people!).
Go see it – it’s great.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
I hope you Hollywood types will give your opinion. It
hasn't opened yet in California !
Jeff
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Sent:
Thursday, July 26,
2007 1:21 PM
Subject:
RE: [PotaDG]
Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
What an incredible coincidence – so did I!
Where did you go to see it?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Neil
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Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of RedAce^
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007
11:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Not yet,
wife refuses to go.
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Subject: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been
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Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Si |
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My main concern was that a 20 minute show
might not hold the attention of the crowd, but it sure did and left you wanting
more.
I was also concerned they would stop the
TV Series and just do a movie every year, but I see the have already started on
season 19!
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mwhitty
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 7:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Yeah OK Jeff I suspected as much.
I don’t want to give anything away but I can say it’s
one of the funniest Simpsons I have seen in a while and it’s got plenty
of tributes to the very first Simpsons shows (let me know if you get these
people!).
Go see it – it’s great.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
I
hope you Hollywood types will give your opinion. It hasn't opened yet in
California !
Jeff
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Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's
been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
What an incredible coincidence – so did I!
Where did you go to see it?
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 6:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of RedAce^
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007
11:11 PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simpsons
Movie (sorta OT, but there's been mucho POTA on the Simmos....)
Not yet,
wife refuses to go.
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Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Simpsons Movie (sorta OT, but there's been
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From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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I just received an Italian Escape one sheet I won on
ebay.......
VERY interesting image smack dab in the middle of
it.....
Tim
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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In a message dated 7/26/2007 4:53:15 AM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@... writes:
Anyone seen it?
It isn't officially released here in the US until 7/27 (Friday)... However, there is a Midnight showing Thursday night/Friday morning... I am going to see it, but not at the 12am show...
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Message: 45454 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Planet Of The Apes LP |
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In a message dated 7/26/2007 3:25:48 PM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@... writes:
Hey Cougar – how's that project going?
*** The APES radio spots/audio rarities is still being compiled... Last word was that after Dr.ZaiusDavis posted that link, Chris was going to contact the owner about using his LP (I think)...
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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In a message dated 7/26/2007 3:30:54 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
I hope you Hollywood types will give your opinion.
*** I think you're the only "Hollywood type" on these boards...
When is ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT or EXTRA going to hire you?***
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Message: 45456 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
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-- Very
interesting. I've never seen a version of that photo in colour, only B&W. I
used that image for one of the panels in the extended version of Beware the
Beast:
Neil
I just received an Italian Escape one sheet I won on
ebay.......
VERY
interesting image smack dab in the middle of
it.....
.
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Message: 45457 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
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I love those
Italians, they're so wacky. I like the way they recolour some of their posters,
like this Escape one, check out the colour of the helmets and the black pocket
zip thingy on their spacesuits:
Neil
I just received an Italian Escape one sheet I won on
ebay.......
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Message: 45458 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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That’s so unnecessary!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 12:55
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape
deleted Scene
I love those Italians, they're so wacky. I like the way
they recolour some of their posters, like this Escape one, check out the colour
of the helmets and the black pocket zip thingy on their spacesuits:
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Tim
"apefan"
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:28
AM
To: POTA; POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] Escape deleted
Scene
I just received an Italian Escape one sheet I won on
ebay.......
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2007 |
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Date: 7/26/2007 |
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Nooooooo!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 1:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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Date: 7/26/2007 |
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Nooooooo!
From:
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From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
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I know what you mean...
here's some colorful mutants and Zira in a change of
clothes....
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Neil Foster
> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 12:55 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape deleted Scene
>
>
>
> I love those Italians, they're so wacky. I like the
> way they recolour some
> of their posters, like this Escape one, check out
> the colour of the helmets
> and the black pocket zip thingy on their spacesuits:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:28 AM
> To: POTA; POTA DG
> Subject: [PotaDG] Escape deleted Scene
>
> I just received an Italian Escape one sheet I won on
> ebay.......
>
>
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Message: 45464 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:24:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
Hey, if we have to spend the rest of our lives surrounded by comic book movies
Not me, Not me! I can't stand these comic book movies, and I don't go to them, but then LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was kind of a comic book movie too.
I'm doomed.
-- Rory
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Message: 45465 |
From: Patrick Tilton |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
.htmlMost movies, nowadays, have STORYBOARDS drawn up so
that the camera operators, the lighting guys (etc),
all know how to set up a shot. Those storyboards are,
in effect, little comic books. So... no matter what
movie you're going to, it was a kind of comic book
first, before they shot the first frame.
I think the best comic book-style movie that was ever
made was the first ROBOCOP; it wasn't based on a comic
book, but it sure as hell had the 'feel' of one...
especially the scene where Robocop tries to arrest
Dick Jones and then gets glitched by the programming
he'd put into him, and then has to duke it out with
ED-209. That battle sequence was right outta a MARVEL
comic book, like Iron Man versus some warbot! What's
sad is that the Marvel adaptation of ROBOCOP wasn't
anywhere near as good as the movie, or as the type of
Marvel comic the movie was seemingly paying homage to.
Patrick
--- Haristas@... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:24:37 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > Hey, if we have to spend the rest of our lives
> surrounded by comic book
> > movies
>
> Not me, Not me! I can't stand these comic book
> movies, and I don't go to
> them, but then LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was kind of a
> comic book movie too.
>
> I'm doomed.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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Message: 45466 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/27/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
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Funny you should say that, since Frank
Miller, one of the most revered comic book guys, wrote one of the
"Robocop"s. I think "Robocop 2". Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:57
AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Who's
watching Kraik, man?
Most movies, nowadays, have STORYBOARDS drawn up so
that the camera
operators, the lighting guys (etc),
all know how to set up a shot. Those
storyboards are,
in effect, little comic books. So... no matter
what
movie you're going to, it was a kind of comic book
first, before
they shot the first frame.
I think the best comic book-style movie that
was ever
made was the first ROBOCOP; it wasn't based on a comic
book,
but it sure as hell had the 'feel' of one...
especially the scene where
Robocop tries to arrest
Dick Jones and then gets glitched by the
programming
he'd put into him, and then has to duke it out with
ED-209.
That battle sequence was right outta a MARVEL
comic book, like Iron Man
versus some warbot! What's
sad is that the Marvel adaptation of ROBOCOP
wasn't
anywhere near as good as the movie, or as the type of
Marvel
comic the movie was seemingly paying homage to.
Patrick
--- Haristas@aol. com wrote:
>
In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:24:37 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> veetus@earthlink. net
writes:
>
>
> > Hey, if we have to spend the rest of
our lives
> surrounded by comic book
> > movies
>
> Not me, Not me! I can't stand these comic book
> movies, and I
don't go to
> them, but then LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was kind of
a
> comic book movie too.
>
> I'm doomed.
>
>
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>
>
>
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Date: 7/28/2007 |
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From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
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In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:
I'm
writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's
latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for research (just so I
can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton's POTA topped.
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Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Aldo |
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In a message dated 7/20/2007 5:32:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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In a message dated 7/26/2007 9:24:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:
There was cigar smoking in POTA and remember when
Cornelius tries a smoke in "Escape"?
Jeff
Yeah Disney started with Uncle Remus, and who knows where it will
end?
But it's nothing new. You'll find almost no reference to Sherlock
Holmes
running coke in the old Basil Rathbone films. If Disney had their
way
he wouldn't be smoking a Calabash either! What's next?
Kojack's
lollipop? We can't have the kids seeing an adult eating sugar!
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From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke
records in 2001 will surely know what to expect this time.
Didn’t the ADVENTURE POTA Comics
break records too? What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic
series was released? I don’t think Ty mentioned any broken sales
records then – even with superior art and plot! The absence of any
mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only
“not that good”, but they were poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING
script, or comic, or novel….and people won’t waste
their time using an original idea on a stale cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF
MEN, PAN’S LABYRINTH – but with talking monkeys. Only a sick
fan would waste such an excellent story on talking monkeys…so that’s
where I’d be looking. A genuine fan who really can write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44
P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape
Chronicles" and I saw Fox's latest underwritten tentpole,
"Fantastic Four 2" for research (just so I can say it sucks with
conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was
Burton 's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been
really good.
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From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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Michael,
Don't we have great fan writer's on this site and others? If so, the last thing Fox would look is fan fic. (Their loss!)In fact they have no problem persecuting anyone who isn't an official writer. I know,
been there done that. The only thing left to do is invent something on your own, like Sawyer writing about Neanderthals in an alternate universe.
From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job NOW?
Date:
Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:42:13 +1000
But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke records in 2001 will surely know what to expect this time.
Didn�t the ADVENTURE POTA Comics break records too? What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I don�t think Ty
mentioned any broken sales records then � even with superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only �not that good�, but they
were poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING
script, or comic, or novel�.and people won�t waste their time using an original idea on a stale cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PAN�S LABYRINTH � but with talking monkeys. Only a sick fan would waste such an excellent story on talking
monkeys�so that�s where I�d be looking. A genuine fan who really can write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for research (just
so I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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Message: 45473 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man? |
.htmlI remember going to ROBOCOP 2 and being disappointed, big time.
What's really sad is that the guys who created ROBOCOP had first dibs on a sequel, and they wrote one that sounded terrific... but the idiots in the studio who owned the option to make the sequel rejected
their sequel idea and made the less-than-stellar ROBOCOP 2 that was -- of course -- nowhere near as good as the first film.
As I recall, the plot of the rejected sequel involved Robocop being basically shut off and put into some kind of storage for decades (due to Police Department "budget cuts" or something like
that)... and, when he is finally taken back out from storage and turned on again, the Future is changed. In other words, ripe for even more vicious satire.
I think I read about this never-made ROBOCOP sequel in Starlog
magazine, years ago. What I had read just made me so angry that the studio heads could do this... make beaucoup bucks from the original ROBOCOP -- a movie that was great precisely because the guys who came up
with that story were very talented -- and, after waiting for them to proffer their sequel script, they blithely rejected it and greenlighted a script that was nowhere near as good as the first film.
If it was Frank Miller who wrote the filmed sequel (ROBOCOP 2), then the best I can say is that he was playing in somebody else's playground and wound up breaking the toys. He has shone much brighter in his own
original stuff and, when working with others' creations -- like DAREDEVIL and BATMAN -- he felt free to re-invent them, to make them his own.
It's too bad that Robocop didn't get sequelized by the guys who were responsible for inventing him in the first place. Oh well, that's Hollywood for ya.
Patrick
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Funny you should say that, since Frank Miller, one of the most revered comic book guys, wrote one of the "Robocop"s. I think "Robocop 2". Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Tilton
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Who's watching Kraik, man?
>
>
> Most movies, nowadays, have STORYBOARDS drawn up so
> that the camera operators, the lighting guys (etc),
> all know how to set up a shot. Those storyboards are,
> in effect, little comic books. So... no matter what
> movie you're going to, it was a kind of comic book
> first, before they shot the first frame.
>
> I think the best comic book-style movie that was ever
> made was the first ROBOCOP; it wasn't based on a comic
> book, but it sure as hell had the 'feel' of one...
> especially the scene where Robocop tries to arrest
> Dick Jones and then gets glitched by the programming
> he'd put into him, and then has to duke it out with
> ED-209. That battle sequence was right outta a MARVEL
> comic book, like Iron Man versus some warbot! What's
> sad is that the Marvel adaptation of ROBOCOP wasn't
> anywhere near as good as the movie, or as the type of
> Marvel comic the movie was seemingly paying homage to.
>
> Patrick
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:24:37 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Hey, if we have to spend the rest of our lives
> > surrounded by comic book
> > > movies
> >
> > Not me, Not me! I can't stand these comic book
> > movies, and I don't go to
> > them, but then LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was kind of a
> > comic book movie too.
> >
> > I'm doomed.
> >
> > -- Rory
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45474 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
.htmlYou gotta wonder how much harsher that cigar was, to make Cornelius hack so bad. After all, in
BENEATH -- in the scene where they discover Nova and Brent in their home -- Cornelius is smoking a pipe
whilst Zira starts to prepare a chocolate icing, as they chat about the gorillas.
Perhaps Cornelius isn't much of a smoker, only having recently taken to smoking a pipe -- or, perhaps, just occasionally taking a mild puff once in a while -- as an affectation
. To adopt the mannerisms of older, "more distinguished" academicians.
So, when Armando offers him a cigar to smoke, it's really too much for his lungs to deal with, having only recently begun to "dabble" in pipe-smoking.
Either that, or maybe the tobacco plants they grow in 3955 are a mutant strain, which packs less of a punch...? Of course, tobacco companies put all sorts of additives in cigarettes in order to make 'em more
addictive (and I'm sure you've all seen those commercials on TV for Truth.com or whatever that group calls itself, where they inform people about the presence of poisons (arsenic, formaldehyde, etc) in
cigarettes, to boost their addictiveness).
Then again, Armando smoked cigars -- not cigarettes -- as far as we know, and it was a cigar that he offered to Cornelius. Do the tobacco companies put additives into cigars
, too? I've never been a smoker, so I'm the last to know.
Patrick
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/26/2007 9:24:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> There was cigar smoking in POTA and remember when Cornelius tries a smoke in
> "Escape"? Jeff
>
>
>
> Yeah Disney started with Uncle Remus, and who knows where it will end?
> But it's nothing new. You'll find almost no reference to Sherlock Holmes
> running coke in the old Basil Rathbone films. If Disney had their way
> he wouldn't be smoking a Calabash either! What's next? Kojack's
> lollipop? We can't have the kids seeing an adult eating sugar!
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From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 4:39:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:
You'll find almost no reference to Sherlock Holmes
running coke in the old Basil Rathbone films.
At the end of the first one, Hound of the Baskervilles
(1939), he asked Watson for "the needle," but that was one of the two Victorian Era ones made at Fox. When the series moved to Universal, yeah, there was no reference I can recall.
-- Rory
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Message: 45476 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Would Burton do a good job NOW? |
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I hear Fox is big on a Silver Surfer
movie but they're having second thoughts on another F4. If you look at the box
office, these comic book movies for Fox haven't done as well as POTA2001. The
"X-Men" movies are on a par with it. The later "X-Men" movies made more but they
cost more, too. Plus Fox has to share with Marvel. And they're promoting
Marvel's franchises, not theirs. I really don't get Fox's thinking. But, like
Limbo, they make it up on volume and usually wind up being in the Top Three
Studios every year. But they never have a big hit like "Spiderman" or "Lord of
the Rings". I don't count "Star Wars" since they have nothing to do with
it but distribution. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:26
AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would Burton do
a good job NOW?
I'm
writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's
latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for research (just so
I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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Message: 45477 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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Audiences are very forgiving. There's plenty
of franchises being reborn these days. "Batman and Robin" had an even worse
reputation that POTA2001 and now "Batman" is hotter than ever. Universal is
going to try it again next summer with the "Hulk" (new cast, everything, and the
last one only came out in 2003). If POTA was called "Apeman" or "Star Apes"
there'd be another one! Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good
job NOW?
But how would it go
now?
Those who rushed to
the cinemas and broke records in 2001 will surely know what to expect this
time.
DidnÂ’t the ADVENTURE
POTA Comics break records too? What happened when the far superior
REVOLUTION comic series was released? I donÂ’t think Ty mentioned any
broken sales records then – even with superior art and plot! The absence
of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales
were not only “not that good”, but they were poor.
The only thing that
will rescue POTA is an OUTSTANDING
script, or comic, or
novelÂ….and people wonÂ’t waste their time using an original idea on a stale
cash cow.
Something like the
story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PAN’S LABYRINTH – but with talking monkeys.
Only a sick fan would waste such an excellent story on talking monkeysÂ…so
thatÂ’s where IÂ’d be looking. A genuine fan who really can
write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated
7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net
writes:
I'm writing about
Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's latest underwritten tentpole,
"Fantastic Four 2" for research (just so I can say it sucks with
conviction).
And it wasn't even
big at the box office.
Only recently was
Burton 's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have
been had it been really good.
Get a sneak peek of
the all-new AOL.com.
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Message: 45478 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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"Children of Men", "Pan's Labyrinth" or even
"Twelve Monkeys" weren't big hits. We need a Cameron who can mix serious sci-fi
with mass audiences. But Fox shooed Cameron away.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good
job NOW?
But how would it go
now?
Those who rushed to
the cinemas and broke records in 2001 will surely know what to expect this
time.
DidnÂ’t the ADVENTURE
POTA Comics break records too? What happened when the far superior
REVOLUTION comic series was released? I donÂ’t think Ty mentioned any
broken sales records then – even with superior art and plot! The absence
of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales
were not only “not that good”, but they were poor.
The only thing that
will rescue POTA is an OUTSTANDING
script, or comic, or
novelÂ….and people wonÂ’t waste their time using an original idea on a stale
cash cow.
Something like the
story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PAN’S LABYRINTH – but with talking monkeys.
Only a sick fan would waste such an excellent story on talking monkeysÂ…so
thatÂ’s where IÂ’d be looking. A genuine fan who really can
write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26
PM
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated
7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net
writes:
I'm writing about
Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's latest underwritten tentpole,
"Fantastic Four 2" for research (just so I can say it sucks with
conviction).
And it wasn't even
big at the box office.
Only recently was
Burton 's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have
been had it been really good.
Get a sneak peek of
the all-new AOL.com.
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Message: 45479 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
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D'ough! The estimated take for "The Simpsons
Movie" domestically is $71.85 million, about $3 million more than POTA2001 made
on this weekend exactly 6 years ago. We'll see if it has the 'legs" POTA didn't
have. The Simpsons, like "Star Wars", is a Fox franchise that Fox isn't allowed
to tamper with. Fox isn't even allowed to "give notes" to the TV show.
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Message: 45480 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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-- But they are
all fantastic movies. Which makes me wonder what we Apes fans would be happy
with? A great, well written intelligent movie that mass audiences stay away from
or some mindless action crap that is popular and drags in huge
crowds?
Who here would be
willing to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever
reason, was popular with the masses and reignited interest in
POTA?
Neil
"Children of Men", "Pan's Labyrinth" or
even "Twelve Monkeys" weren't big hits.
.
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Message: 45481 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
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I think it will.
There is so much more interest in the Simpsons than there was/is in Apes so I
think it will keep making money.
I know that my
kids and their mates have been talking about it and wanting to see
it, showing much more interest than I remember being shown for POTA
2001 by local kids when my oldest lad was about the same age as my youngest one
is now.
Neil
D'ough! The estimated take for "The
Simpsons Movie" domestically is $71.85 million, about $3 million more than
POTA2001 made on this weekend exactly 6 years ago. We'll see if it has the
'legs" POTA didn't
have.
.
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Message: 45482 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
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-- Why would they
bother though?
Neil
I know what you mean...
here's some colorful mutants and Zira in a
change of
clothes....
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Message: 45483 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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-- Can you tell us
what happened Wendy?
Neil
In fact they have no problem persecuting anyone who isn't an official
writer. I know, been there done that.
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45484 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
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-- And not just
the re-colouring. There's what they did to the Battle poster, making it look a
lot more 'futuristic sc-fi' than the movie actually is:
Neil
I know what you mean...
here's some colorful mutants and Zira in a
change
of
clothes....
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45485 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/29/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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-- Maybe it's the
way that you smoke them or something? Aren't you not meant to inhale the smoke
from cigars but you do for pipes? I do know that the first time I smoked a cigar
was during lunch break at school when I was about 14 or 15 and I smoked it like
a cigarette (how I knew how to smoke a ciggy at that age is another story) and
before I had finished it I had turned green and was very, very
sick!
Don't know about a
pipe though. I've never smoked one of those, well not with tobacco in it
anyway.
Neil
You gotta wonder how much harsher that cigar was, to make Cornelius hack so
bad. After all, in BENEATH -- in the scene where
they discover Nova and Brent in their home -- Cornelius is smoking a
pipe whilst Zira starts to prepare a chocolate icing, as they chat about
the gorillas.
Perhaps Cornelius isn't much of a smoker, only having recently
taken to smoking a pipe -- or, perhaps, just occasionally taking a mild puff
once in a while -- as an affectation. To adopt the mannerisms of
older, "more distinguished" academicians.
So, when Armando offers him a cigar to smoke, it's really too much for his
lungs to deal with, having only recently begun to "dabble" in pipe-smoking.
.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45486 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:54:31 AM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@... writes:
What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I don't think Ty
mentioned any broken sales records then – even with superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only "not that good", but they
were poor.
*** And I'd wager it sold poorly for two reasons;
A) People were still gun-shy after the batch of sh*t that ADVENTURE released, so ANY new APES title would be met with trepidation.
and
B) Even though the art work in REVOLUTION was superior (and in color), the story itself was also very poor, and that didn't help a thing... All the flash and style in the world could not help that story...
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:42:52 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:
Who here would be willing to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever reason, was popular with
the masses and reignited interest in POTA?
*** We had lesser APES movies that started with the first sequel (and I am one who likes BENEATH for what it is)... They were at least semi-popular with "the masses" and they degenerated the franchise as
they went on... We have been there already, so your question is moot...
Each sequel went down, so how much lower do we have to go?
And, btw, I would NOT like a "lesser" movie... All that would do is get more inferior APES product... Screw "the masses", I'd rather have APES be left alone and remembered for what it was than
have it flipped over and done dry so "the masses" can have their summer blockbuster sh*t...
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From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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You would agree though that it is a far
superior story to the ADVENTURE stories and it also uses POTA characters which
ADVENTURE didn’t do (wonder why?).
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
In
a message dated 7/29/2007 5:54:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
mwhitty@optusnet. com.au writes:
What happened when the
far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I don’t think Ty
mentioned any broken sales records then – even with superior art and plot!
The absence of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests
to me that sales were not only “not that good”, but they were poor.
*** And I'd wager it sold poorly for two reasons;
A) People were still gun-shy after the batch of sh*t that ADVENTURE released,
so ANY new APES title would be met with trepidation.
and
B) Even though the art work in REVOLUTION was superior (and in color), the
story itself was also very poor, and that didn't help a thing... All the flash
and style in the world could not help that story...
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Message: 45489 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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I don’t know Neil – this is a
good question. It reminds me of musicians who play tribute bands for
money and then to small venues for art….
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
In
a message dated 7/29/2007 3:42:52 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com
writes:
Who
here would be willing to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever
reason, was popular with the masses and reignited interest in POTA?
*** We had lesser APES movies that started with the first sequel (and I am one
who likes BENEATH for what it is)... They were at least semi-popular with
"the masses" and they degenerated the franchise as they went on... We
have been there already, so your question is moot...
Each sequel went down, so how much lower do we have to go?
And, btw, I would NOT like a "lesser" movie... All that would do is
get more inferior APES product... Screw "the masses", I'd rather have
APES be left alone and remembered for what it was than have it flipped over and
done dry so "the masses" can have their summer blockbuster sh*t...
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From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Yes, Batman got another shot and the
product they came up with was excellent – you could easily substitute
BATMAN for anyone and still have a great story.
I would love to see the same for POTA.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 5:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
Audiences are very forgiving. There's plenty of
franchises being reborn these days. "Batman and Robin" had an even
worse reputation that POTA2001 and now "Batman" is hotter than ever.
Universal is going to try it again next summer with the "Hulk" (new
cast, everything, and the last one only came out in 2003). If POTA was called
"Apeman" or "Star Apes" there'd be another one!
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Sunday, July 29,
2007 3:42 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Would
ANYONE do a good job NOW?
But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke records in 2001
will surely know what to expect this time.
Didn’t the ADVENTURE POTA Comics break records
too? What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was
released? I don’t think Ty mentioned any broken sales records then
– even with superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of
the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only
“not that good”, but they were poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING script, or comic, or
novel….and people won’t waste their time using an original idea on
a stale cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PAN’S
LABYRINTH – but with talking monkeys. Only a sick fan would waste
such an excellent story on talking monkeys…so that’s where
I’d be looking. A genuine fan who really can write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a
good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw
Fox's latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for
research (just so I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton 's
POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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Message: 45491 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Maybe if they had talking monkeys they
WOULD have been smash successes.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 5:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
"Children of Men", "Pan's
Labyrinth" or even "Twelve Monkeys" weren't big hits. We need a
Cameron who can mix serious sci-fi with mass audiences. But Fox shooed Cameron
away.
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Sunday, July 29,
2007 3:42 AM
Subject:
[PotaDG] Would
ANYONE do a good job NOW?
But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke records in 2001
will surely know what to expect this time.
Didn’t the ADVENTURE POTA Comics break records
too? What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was
released? I don’t think Ty mentioned any broken sales records then
– even with superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of
the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only
“not that good”, but they were poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING script, or comic, or
novel….and people won’t waste their time using an original idea on
a stale cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PAN’S
LABYRINTH – but with talking monkeys. Only a sick fan would waste
such an excellent story on talking monkeys…so that’s where
I’d be looking. A genuine fan who really can write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a
good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw
Fox's latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for
research (just so I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton 's
POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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Message: 45492 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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So what DO you shove in you pipe and smoke
it?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 6:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: OT:
Sssssmokin'!
-- Maybe it's the way that you smoke them or something?
Aren't you not meant to inhale the smoke from cigars but you do for pipes? I do
know that the first time I smoked a cigar was during lunch break at school when
I was about 14 or 15 and I smoked it like a cigarette (how I knew how to smoke
a ciggy at that age is another story) and before I had finished it I had turned
green and was very, very sick!
Don't know about a pipe though. I've never smoked one of
those, well not with tobacco in it anyway.
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilto n
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:48
AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT:
Sssssmokin'!
You gotta
wonder how much harsher that cigar was, to make Cornelius hack so bad. After
all, in BENEATH
-- in the scene where they discover Nova and Brent in their home -- Cornelius
is smoking a pipe whilst
Zira starts to prepare a chocolate icing, as they chat about the gorillas.
Perhaps
Cornelius isn't much of a smoker, only having recently taken to smoking a pipe -- or,
perhaps, just occasionally taking a mild puff once in a while -- as an affectation. To adopt the mannerisms of
older, "more distinguished" academicians.
So, when
Armando offers him a cigar to smoke, it's really too much for his lungs to deal
with, having only recently begun to "dabble" in pipe-smoking.
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Message: 45493 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Escape deleted Scene |
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Whoa! What are they smoking?
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 7:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape
deleted Scene
-- And not just the re-colouring. There's what they did to
the Battle
poster, making it look a lot more 'futuristic sc-fi' than the
movie actually is:
Neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Tim
"apefan"
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:32
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape
deleted Scene
I know
what you mean...
here's some colorful mutants and Zira in a change of
clothes....
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Message: 45494 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
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I predict it will have the legs Jeff.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 6:15 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Simpsons
barely beat Apes
D'ough! The estimated take for "The Simpsons Movie"
domestically is $71.85 million, about $3 million more than POTA2001 made on
this weekend exactly 6 years ago. We'll see if it has the 'legs" POTA
didn't have. The Simpsons, like "Star Wars", is a Fox franchise that
Fox isn't allowed to tamper with. Fox isn't even allowed to "give
notes" to the TV show. Jeff
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Message: 45495 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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I wish Sawyer would do apes but it would
just be so not worth his efforts….
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Wendy Kostora
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 3:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
Michael,
Don't we have great fan writer's on this site and
others? If so, the last thing Fox would look is fan fic. (Their loss!)In fact
they have no problem persecuting anyone who isn't an official writer. I know,
been there done that. The only thing left to do is invent something on your
own, like Sawyer writing about Neanderthals in an alternate universe.
From: "mwhitty" < mwhitty@optusnet. com.au >
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
To: < PotaDG@yahoogroups. com >
Subject: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job
NOW?
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:42:13 +1000
But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke records in 2001 will
surely know what to expect this time.
Didnt the ADVENTURE POTA Comics break records too? What
happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I
dont think Ty mentioned any broken sales records then even with
superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of the highly awaited
Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only not that good,
but they were poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING script, or comic, or
novel.and people wont waste their time using an original idea on a stale
cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PANS LABYRINTH but
with talking monkeys. Only a sick fan would waste such an excellent story
on talking monkeysso thats where Id be looking. A genuine fan
who really can write.
Michael
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 5:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would
Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw
Fox's latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for
research (just so I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton 's
POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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From: Neil Foster |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Message
-- I was talking
about any possible new Apes movie, or at least that's what I thought the thread
was about when I posted that.
Neil
In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:42:52 PM Central
Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:
Who here
would be willing to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever
reason, was popular with the masses and reignited interest in
POTA?
We have
been there already, so your question is moot...
.
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Message: 45497 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
.htmlIsn't it obvious? The Cornelius we see in Beneath is an imposter, a
lookalike friend/brother/cousin of the real Cornelius covering up his
absence while he's fixin a spaceship with Milo.
That's my scenario! :)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
>
>
> You gotta wonder how much harsher that cigar was, to make Cornelius
hack
> so bad. After all, in BENEATH -- in the scene where they discover
Nova
> and Brent in their home -- Cornelius is smoking a pipe whilst Zira
> starts to prepare a chocolate icing, as they chat about the
gorillas.
>
> Perhaps Cornelius isn't much of a smoker, only having recently
taken to
> smoking a pipe -- or, perhaps, just occasionally taking a mild puff
once
> in a while -- as an affectation. To adopt the mannerisms of
older, "more
> distinguished" academicians.
>
> So, when Armando offers him a cigar to smoke, it's really too much
for
> his lungs to deal with, having only recently begun to "dabble" in
> pipe-smoking.
>
> Either that, or maybe the tobacco plants they grow in 3955 are a
mutant
> strain, which packs less of a punch...? Of course, tobacco
companies put
> all sorts of additives in cigarettes in order to make 'em more
addictive
> (and I'm sure you've all seen those commercials on TV for Truth.com
or
> whatever that group calls itself, where they inform people about the
> presence of poisons (arsenic, formaldehyde, etc) in cigarettes, to
boost
> their addictiveness).
>
> Then again, Armando smoked cigars -- not cigarettes -- as far as we
> know, and it was a cigar that he offered to Cornelius. Do the
tobacco
> companies put additives into cigars, too? I've never been a smoker,
so
> I'm the last to know.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/26/2007 9:24:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > veetus@ writes:
> >
> > There was cigar smoking in POTA and remember when Cornelius tries
a
> smoke in
> > "Escape"? Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah Disney started with Uncle Remus, and who knows where it will
end?
> > But it's nothing new. You'll find almost no reference to Sherlock
> Holmes
> > running coke in the old Basil Rathbone films. If Disney had their
way
> > he wouldn't be smoking a Calabash either! What's next? Kojack's
> > lollipop? We can't have the kids seeing an adult eating sugar!
> |
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Message: 45498 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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:-0 !!!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 9:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT:
Sssssmokin'!
Isn't it obvious? The Cornelius we see in Beneath is
an imposter, a
lookalike friend/brother/ cousin of the real Cornelius covering up his
absence while he's fixin a spaceship with Milo .
That's my scenario! :)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
"patrickmichaeltilt on"
<patrickmichaeltilt on@...> wrote:
>
>
> You gotta wonder how much harsher that cigar was, to make Cornelius
hack
> so bad. After all, in BENEATH -- in the scene where they discover
Nova
> and Brent in their home -- Cornelius is smoking a pipe whilst Zira
> starts to prepare a chocolate icing, as they chat about the
gorillas.
>
> Perhaps Cornelius isn't much of a smoker, only having recently
taken to
> smoking a pipe -- or, perhaps, just occasionally taking a mild puff
once
> in a while -- as an affectation. To adopt the mannerisms of
older, "more
> distinguished" academicians.
>
> So, when Armando offers him a cigar to smoke, it's really too much
for
> his lungs to deal with, having only recently begun to "dabble"
in
> pipe-smoking.
>
> Either that, or maybe the tobacco plants they grow in 3955 are a
mutant
> strain, which packs less of a punch...? Of course, tobacco
companies put
> all sorts of additives in cigarettes in order to make 'em more
addictive
> (and I'm sure you've all seen those commercials on TV for Truth.com
or
> whatever that group calls itself, where they inform people about the
> presence of poisons (arsenic, formaldehyde, etc) in cigarettes, to
boost
> their addictiveness) .
>
> Then again, Armando smoked cigars -- not cigarettes -- as far as we
> know, and it was a cigar that he offered to Cornelius. Do the
tobacco
> companies put additives into cigars, too? I've never been a smoker,
so
> I'm the last to know.
>
> Patrick
>
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Message: 45499 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Fox is not going to back a small art movie
with "Apes", which is basically what they did with the original. Starting with
the sequels, POTA was just too well known. They want to mine it for money. And
no one can do it but Fox. Anyone who wants to do "Apes" has to do what Fox
wants. Oliver Stone, James Cameron and Tim Burton found that out. They can't
take their "superior" vision to another studio. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:30 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a
good job NOW?
-- I was talking
about any possible new Apes movie, or at least that's what I thought the
thread was about when I posted that.
Neil
In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:42:52 PM Central Daylight
Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:
Who here
would be willing to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever
reason, was popular with the masses and reignited interest in
POTA?
We have
been there already, so your question is moot...
.
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Message: 45500 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Simpsons barely beat Apes |
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This wasn't meant as a knock on "Apes". My
point was that Simpsons is such a big part of the culture and yet only did $3
million more than "Apes" (after 6 years of inflation). That shows how ready
people were for a new POTA movie. The opening weekend is on the property, after
that it's on the movie itself. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:27 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] OT: Simpsons barely
beat Apes
I predict it will
have the legs Jeff.
D'ough! The estimated take for "The Simpsons
Movie" domestically is $71.85 million, about $3 million more than POTA2001
made on this weekend exactly 6 years ago. We'll see if it has the 'legs" POTA
didn't have. The Simpsons, like "Star Wars", is a Fox franchise that Fox isn't
allowed to tamper with. Fox isn't even allowed to "give notes" to the TV show.
Jeff
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE buy a POTA comic NOW? |
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When I picked up "Revolution", the comic
store owner, an "Apes" fan, blamed the new movie for the chilly reception.
That's what most people know, not the Adventure comics. That's why companies do
movie comics, to bring in people (like me) who don't usually read comics.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:25
PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a
good job NOW?
In a message dated
7/29/2007 5:54:31 AM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@optusnet. com.au writes:
What happened
when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I don't
think Ty mentioned any broken sales records then – even with superior art
and plot! The absence of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic
Novel suggests to me that sales were not only "not that good", but they were
poor.
*** And I'd wager it sold poorly for two reasons;
A) People were still gun-shy after the batch of sh*t that ADVENTURE
released, so ANY new APES title would be met with trepidation.
and
B) Even though the art work in REVOLUTION was superior (and in color),
the story itself was also very poor, and that didn't help a thing... All the
flash and style in the world could not help that
story...
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Message: 45502 |
From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
.html.html Neil,
Sure. I called up their legal office and they threaten me with lawsuite, even if I went as far as posting my fan fic on a POTA web page or anywhere. They were very harsh and didn't care to hear that I had
readers who thought my story "Myth" had potential and was far better than "2001 POTA". (I felt pretty stupid for trying to be honest.)
What broke "Myth" away from POTA was when a handful of well known sci-fi writers at Westercon had critiqued my manuscript. They said "Myth" had potential but needed to be taken
out of the the POTA universe. With much pain I did what they suggested and found they were correct in saying that I would find creative freedom --- adding depth to the story. "Myth" now titled "How
Dreams Will Travel" (echoing Martin Luther Kings words, "I have a dream") has evolved into it own, ringing true of simian fiction inspired by POTA. Sssh. Don't tell Fox. If this ever gets
pulbished, they will have to sue me for being too freakin creative for their shoes. Not to say that I'm more creative than anyone else here or on any other POTA sites like Cassy or Dave, or Patrick and so
on ---. The list of talent on these sites or endless!
Wendy
PS "Myth" takes place just before "Conquest" The main characters are Steven Brandon, (Sorry if I misspelled her name.) widow to Dr. Bradon, and Rose Kindwood. Resucing a deaf
orangatang from a abusive master, Rose teaches slave ape sign langauge and ends up joining a group of people who have apes living in freedom on a ape sanctuary in Wash. State. She
teaches the simians sign lanquage and helps them deal with their freedom the ape revolt. The story has a subplot dealing with Rose's mysterious relation to Zira and Cornelius and to the
mutants.
From: "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job NOW?
Date:
Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:50:19 +1000
-- Can you tell us what happened Wendy?
Neil
In fact they have no problem persecuting anyone who isn't an official writer. I know, been there done that.
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Message: 45503 |
From: Wendy Kostora |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
.html.html Micheal,
Yeah. I wonder if he has the same thoughts. By the way, he mention to me that he has written a script for "Hominids". Unfortunately it is now in limbo. Thanks to those Hollywood nuts who seem
more enthusastic to turn a Gieco insurance comercial into a citcom then using a good book to make a movie. (sigh!)
Wendy
From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job NOW?
Date:
Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:23:25 +1000
I wish Sawyer would do apes but it would just be so not worth his efforts�.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Wendy Kostora
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 3:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject:
RE: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job NOW?
Michael,
Don't we have great fan writer's on this site and others? If so, the last thing Fox would look is fan fic. (Their loss!)In fact they have no problem persecuting anyone who isn't
an official writer. I know, been there done that. The only thing left to do is invent something on your own, like Sawyer writing about Neanderthals in an alternate universe.
From: "mwhitty" <mwhitty@optusnet. com.au>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject:
[PotaDG] Would ANYONE do a good job NOW?
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:42:13 +1000
But how would it go now?
Those who rushed to the cinemas and broke records in 2001 will surely know what to expect this time.
Didnt the ADVENTURE POTA Comics break records too? What happened when the far superior REVOLUTION comic series was released? I dont think Ty
mentioned any broken sales records then even with superior art and plot! The absence of any mention of the highly awaited Graphic Novel suggests to me that sales were not only not that good, but they were
poor.
The only thing that will rescue POTA is an
OUTSTANDING
script, or comic, or novel.and people wont waste their time using an original idea on a stale cash cow.
Something like the story in CHILDREN OF MEN, PANS LABYRINTH but with talking monkeys. Only a sick fan would waste such an excellent story on talking
monkeysso thats where Id be looking. A genuine fan who really can write.
Michael
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Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] OT: Would Burton do a good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:
I'm writing about Fox for "Ape Chronicles" and I saw Fox's latest underwritten tentpole, "Fantastic Four 2" for research (just
so I can say it sucks with conviction).
And it wasn't even big at the box office.
Only recently was Burton's POTA topped.
And it wouldn't have been had it been really good.
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From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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I always thought that was WeiRD!!! Why the wings on
the feet?????
--- Neil Foster < ntfoster@...> wrote:
> -- And not just the re-colouring. There's what they
> did to the Battle
> poster, making it look a lot more 'futuristic sc-fi'
> than the movie
> actually is:
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> Neil
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim "apefan"
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> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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> I know what you mean...
> here's some colorful mutants and Zira in a change of
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/30/2007 3:21:28 AM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@... writes:
You would agree though that it is a far superior story to the ADVENTURE stories and it also uses POTA characters which
ADVENTURE didn't do (wonder why?).
*** No, using established characters did NOT make the story better for me... Hell yeah ADVENTURE sucked, but at least they didn't set there using the same recycled hash all over again...
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Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Message: 45507 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2007 |
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Message: 45508 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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I thought it was a big PLUS for REVOLUTION
that they used various POTA characters from Caesar to Zira, Cornelius and
Zaius.
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PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 11:36
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Would ANYONE
do a good job NOW?
In a message dated 7/30/2007 3:21:28 AM Central
Daylight Time, mwhitty@optusnet. com.au
writes:
You
would agree though that it is a far superior story to the ADVENTURE stories and
it also uses POTA characters which ADVENTURE didn’t do (wonder why?).
*** No, using established characters did NOT make the story better for me...
Hell yeah ADVENTURE sucked, but at least they didn't set there using the same
recycled hash all over again...
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Message: 45509 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Calendar musings |
.htmlOf late, I have been refining various background elements of my POTA project, one of which involves
Calendrics.
The criteria which govern the Ape Calendar that I've been devising are:
1. Wanda's reference (in The Interrogation) to the ancient book which she uses during her brainwashing experiments as having been written "in the year Nineteen Eighty-Six
"... which implies that she (and at least some of the members of the High Council) are aware that they are living in the year 3085
as reckoned by the calendar date put forward in that old book.
2. The reference to the fact that the village of Borak had made a deal with the gorilla garrison to deliver to them five human slaves twice
each "moon" during the summer -- indicating that there are a total of 30 humans enslaved in any given year, and that each "moon" refers to a phase-month lunation
, taking into account the fact that the Moon goes through phases (i.e. from New Moon through First Quarter through Full Moon through Last Quarter, and through to the next New Moon). In the episode
The Liberator, Burke mentions that "there's gonna be a Full Moon" and a brief shot of the Full Moon in the night sky is shown.
3. In Battle for the Planet of the Apes, Caesar -- after hearing the recorded voice of his mother state that the "date-meter" on the spacecraft read "
Thirty-Nine... Fifty..." (i.e. not hearing the rest of her alcohol-slurred line, "... something...") -- indignantly states, "No wonder
all mankind thirsted for my blood and wanted my birth aborted! In the year thirty-nine fifty, Apes will destroy the Earth!"
4. In Planet of the Apes, Zira tells Taylor that Cornelius had discovered traces of an ancient civilization that was "older than recorded time" -- recorded time
referring, evidently, to the writing of the Sacred Scrolls
, which Zaius says were written "Twelve-hundred years ago". When Cornelius admits to the Tribunal that he, in his (illegal) travels to the Forbidden Zone the year before, had discovered evidence of that
civilization which existed "long before the Sacred Scrolls were written," his statement is addressed by Honorius: "Objection! These remarks are profane
and irrelevant!"... which implies that at the time when Planet and Beneath take place, official history
begins with the Lawgiver, roughly 1,200 years in the past, and everything before that time is "prehistory".
Making sense of these elements involves reckoning that earlier calendrical systems must have been abolished in later times, as part of a concerted effort to erase the once-known Past.
For what it's worth, I've devised an "Ape Calendar" which would later have been abandoned (for what will be seen to be a very valid reason).
In the scenario of my novel-in-progress, the 3 species of intelligent Chimpanzees, Gorillas, and Orangutans are created via transgenics
, the gene-splicing techniques that we humans have only just begun to exploit. Mandemus represents the 1st Generation of such chimaera
-species, having been begotten around the middle of the year 1947 and born around the spring of 1948... and the Beings who caused his parent-DNA to have had spliced into it genetic material which would make him
an "evolved" (not "primitive") ape -- in my scenario -- were creatures who, themselves, shared a common ancestor with all Humans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, and Orangutans about 14 Million Years Ago
[which I name protopithecus
, "First-Ape"]. These 'Beings' had been bred by their extraterrestrial 'Masters' to serve them in various ways both on the Moon (where their Base was located) and on the Earth in our
Prehistory and early History, until they had left our Solar System in historical times. These servants I call glaucopithecoids (from Greek words meaning "Grey-Apes
") are hairless, big-headed, thin-necked, spindly-limbed creatures who were bred over the course of those 14 million years to survive in an artificial biosphere up on the Moon, where they adapted to lunar
gravity (1/6th that of Earth) and to the grey color (or lack
of color) of the lunar regolith. Their "Earth Base" -- from where they regularly collected water supplies and the like, for transport up to their home on the Moon -- was in Antarctica... until, that
is, the American naval mission to "explore" Antarctica (i.e. to destroy the Nazi base at Neuschwabenland they had reason to believe existed) inadvertently led to the discovery of those "alien"
beings on that frozen continent, in the mission known as Operation HIGHJUMP and its corresponding unknown mission, Operation POLEVAULT
(in which Captain Taylor participated, a year and a half after the end of World War Two).
Those "Grey-Apes" (i.e. the Greys of UFO-"myth") fled in their advanced vehicles from their base in Antarctica to various regions of the Earth where they could hide from the populations of humans
who had (only recently) developed relatively advanced aircraft of their own... as well as the Atom Bomb. In ancient historical times, the Greys had been involved with the subjugated tribes of humans
living in various places -- including Asia Minor, Central Africa, and Southeast Asia. The "troglodyte" caves of Cappadocia and similar tunnel systems in Africa and Asia had been delved in our prehistory by
them, and later (in Cappadocia) those tunnel systems had been expanded and utilized by later human civilizations such as the Hittites and the Christians persecuted by Roman forces in Turkey.
Thus, from around February and March of 1947 onwards, the Greys fled Antarctica for those tunnel systems which existed in the volcanic regions of Central Africa and Southeast Asia -- the tunnels having been delved
from the somewhat softer volcanic tufa
rock. Safe from the prying eyes of the victorious Allies, those glaucopithecoids who couldn't flee back up to the Moon (due to the fact that their artificial habitat on the Moon is not self-sufficient and
can only support a minimal population) have little choice but to try to find a way to "hide" on the Earth... but their bodies are adapted to a lunar environment, and so they need to CHANGE BODIES
by telepathically taking "possession" of Earth-adapted bodies which have sufficiently developed brains... brains which can "hold" a telepathically-imposed personality.
They use transgenics to create the "evolved" Apes species, in which they hope to telepresence
, transferring their psyches from their frail Grey-bodies into the stronger bodies of the bigger-brained Apes.
They raise these populations of genetically-modified Apes over the course of about 26 years, from 1948 until 1973, when the unexpected arrival of the Ape-onauts stuns the world (including these covert Greys,
who can monitor the TV and radio signals broadcast by the humans).
Here's where the Calendrics comes in, for these glaucopithecoid beings are adapted to living in a biosphere up on the Moon, and their lunar day is equivalent to one lunation: that is, the Moon spins on its
axis once every 29 days 12 hours 44 minutes 2.841 seconds = 29.5305884375 days. One lunar "day" is equivalent to one phase cycle as seen from Earth. Thus, these Greys bestow upon their Ape
"children" a calendar which takes into account not only the movement of the Earth around the Sun, but also the Moon around the Earth. In other words, they establish a LuniSolar Calendar.
Unlike the Jewish Calendar, however, this "Ape Calendar" doesn't require the excessively complicated religion-based rules for postponing the beginning of a month [and I won't go into those rules
here]. Nevertheless, in order to get the months in synch with the years, a lunisolar calendar requires varying the length of a month so that a calendrical month has either 29 or 30 days, and every so often (i.e. 7 times
every 19 years) a 13th month has to be added.
The upshot is that the 19-year Cycle synchronizing the phases of the Moon with the position of the Sun-Moon-Earth alignment is 6939.6882821 days long, making each of the 19 years in this Cycle average out to
365.246751684 days long [which is slightly longer than the Tropical (seasonal) Year of 365.2421896698 days], and each of the 235 months of this Cycle average out to 29.530588434 days, which is off from the
"true" lunar phase time by just a hair over 1/4th of a millisecond.
The calendar I've devised, then, takes the 19-year Cycle of 6939.6882821 days and rounds it to 6939 days 16 hours exactly = 6939.666666... so that 3 Cycles = 57 years = 20,819 days.
The 3-Cycle system has 6940 + 3969 + 6940 days, in a repeating cycle. Like the Jewish Calendar, this Ape Calendar adds a 13th month in Years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 [of the 19-year Cycle]. But, to synchronize the
lunar phases, the lengths of the months in each of those 19 years will require a certain unavoidable amount of complication.
Since 7 of the 19 years are Leap Years [i.e. years with a 13th month added], then the remaining 12 of the years are "ordinary" years having 12 months each. Those twelve 12-month years -- Years 1, 2, 4, 5, 7,
9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, and 18 -- alternate by having 355 days and 354 days, where the months in question have alternating lengths of 30 and 29 days. A 355-day ordinary year has months numbering 30 + 29 + 30 + 29 + 30 +
29 + 30 + 29 + 30 + 29 + 30 + 30 = 355 days [i.e. the 12th month has 30 days, not 29 days]. A 354-day ordinary year would have 29 days in its final month.
The seven 13-month years, however, require adding a month which varies between having either 384 or 383 days. In the 1st-of-3 and the 3rd-of-3 Cycles of 19 years, the 7 Leap-Years have all but the 3rd and 5th
being comprised of 384-day years (i.e. a 354-day year + a 13th 30-day month), making totals of 6940 days-per-Cycle, the 3rd and 5th Leap-Years being 383-day years. The 2nd-of-3 Cycles has the 1st, 4th, and 7th (of
seven) Leap-Years being comprised of 383-day years, with years 2, 3, 5, and 6 (of seven) being 384-day years.
This 57-year = 20,819-day calendar cycle can begin on any New Moon day and never be "off" by more than a day or two from the actual New Moon date. And, when first given to the evolved Apes by their
'Parent'-Masters, the 1st Cycle was reckoned as beginning in 1947, when those Greys established their hiding-place homes in Africa and Asia...
... but, when the Ape-onauts appeared out of nowhere, landing -- according to my chronology -- on Tuesday, 25 September 1973
in the southeast corner of Sector Alpha-Charlie due south of Zuma Beach (where the ship is towed and beached), this just happens to coincide with the New Moon which falls on
Wednesday 26 September 1973 [13:54 UT], the very next day... when Milo is killed and Cornelius and Zira's ability to speak is first learned.
Thus, in later times -- when Virgil [the ape who "knows everything about everything"] calculates the amount of time since the arrival of Caesar on the Earth, he figures out that it coincided with a next-day
New Moon... and the Ape Calendar which had been taught to Mandemus (et al.) is revised so that the 1st year of the 1st 57-year period began on Wednesday 26 September 1973
, the day after the landing of the spacecraft.
The 1st Period (of 57 years) begins on 26 September 1973 [Wed].
The 2nd Period begins on Thursday 26 September 2030.
The 3rd Period begins on Friday 26 September 2087.
The 4th Period begins on Saturday 26 September 2144.
The 5th Period begins on Sunday 27 September 2201.
The 6th Period begins on Monday 27 September 2258.
The 7th Period begins on Tuesday 28 September 2315.
The 8th Period begins on Wednesday 27 September 2372.
The 9th Period begins on Thursday 27 September 2429.
The 10 Period begins on Friday 27 September 2486.
The 11th Period begins on Saturday 28 September 2543.
The 12th Period begins on Sunday 28 September 2600.
The 13th Period begins on Monday 28 September 2657.
The 14th Period begins on Tuesday 29 September 2714.
The 15th Period begins on Wednesday 29 September 2771.
The 16th Period begins on Thursday 28 September 2828.
The 17th Period begins on Friday 28 September 2885.
The 18th Period begins on Saturday 29 September 2942.
The 19th Period begins on Sunday 29 September 2999.
The 20th Period begins on Monday 29 September 3056.
The landing of Virdon's ship (on Saturday, 21 March 3085) occurs in the year 1111 according to this lunisolar Ape Calendar, sometime in the 29th year of this 20th 57-year Period. That is, the first 19 years of
this 20th Period last 6,940 days, and Year 10 of the middle 19-year Cycle begins after 355 + 354 + 383 + 355 + 354 + 384 + 355 + 384 + 354 = 3,278 days. Thus, the year AC 1111 ["AC
" standing either for Ape Calendar or Anno Caesar
] would begin after 6940 + 3278 = 10,218 days into this 20th Period, i.e. on the 10,219th day, which corresponds to Saturday 20 September 3084.
The first days of the 12 months of AC 1111 correspond to:
Month 1: Saturday 20 September 3084.
Month 2: Monday 20 October 3084.
Month 3: Tuesday 18 November 3084.
Month 4: Thursday 18 December 3084.
Month 5: Friday 16 January 3085.
Month 6: Sunday 15 February 3085.
Month 7: Monday 16 March 3085.
Month 8: Wednesday 15 April 3085.
Month 9: Thursday 14 May 3085.
Month 10: Saturday 13 June 3085.
Month 11: Sunday 12 July 3085.
Month 12: Tuesday 11 August 3085.
The next year in the Ape Calendar, AC 1112, is a 383-day Leap-Year (the 11th year in the middle 19-year Cycle, being the 30th year in the 57-year Period), and its months commence on the dates:
Month 1: Thursday 9 September 3085.
Month 2: Saturday 9 October 3085.
But... this lunisolar calendar ceases to be used in that 1112th AC year, due to the fact -- in my scenario -- that the Moon is destroyed on Monday 4 October 3085
... a Doomsday Bomb having converted it into a Black Hole. This black hole will continue to orbit the Earth with the same period that the Moon had orbited it, since it has the same mass either way. The major
difference is that this orbiting object will no longer be able to eclipse the Sun. Instead, the solar wind will be gravitationally lensed by the Black Hole, causing a jet of ions to spray like a comet's tail in the
direction away from the Sun. Thus, every time there is a Sun-"Moon"-Earth
alignment -- when the Black Hole is in the "New Moon" position -- that ion-jet will rain down onto the Earth's atmosphere, causing a sequence of sonic booms and lightning-flashes... the "thunder
and lightning" effect without any accompanying rain, which Taylor's landing party will witness on the New Moon day following their splashdown in Dead Lake on 1 July 3955.
During the time of the TV series, those earlier 19 Periods will be named after a historical personage who dominated the 57-year Period. Thus, the 13th Period (from 2657 to 2714) will also be called "the Ornan
Period" -- named after the Lawgiver portrayed by John Huston, who recited the story of Caesar to that crowd of children in the year AD 2670. The next, or 14th Period, will later be called "the Doswa
Period" -- named after the last of the Lawgivers, the one who erased the Past by having the earlier scriptures declared anathema (i.e. heretical), replacing them with his newly-written Sacred Scrolls in 2755, about
41 years into the 57-year Period.
The events of The Liberator
will take place in the timeframe of the end of June/beginning of July 3085. The summer Solstice occurs on Sunday 21 June 3085, corresponding to the 9th day of the 10th month of year AC 1111 -- the 10th, 11th, and
12th months of that Ape Calendar year being the three summer months
during which the humans of Borak must supply the gorillas with a grand total of 30 slaves. The Full Moon times for the summer of 3085 fall on Monday 29 June 3085, Wednesday 29 July 3085, and Thursday 27 August
3085, so that the Full Moon mentioned by Burke must be one of those three. In my chronology, I'm placing that as the 1st of those three Full Moons, the one on 29 June 3085
, which falls just 9 days after the Summer Solstice.
One last thing I'd like to mention concerns the election of Yalu to the High Council. Prior to the episode in question -- The Interrogation
-- we didn't know that members of the High Council were elected. In my scenario, the Ape society is set up so that there is always a senior member of the Zaius family in the top spot as Chief Councillor of
the High Council, but the other members are elected.
The question is: When are those elections held?
Why not every four years?
Thus, I've chosen to establish that elections are held on the 1st day of the 1st month of every year in the Ape Calendar which is evenly divisible by 4... which would include the year 1112, which begins on
Thursday 9 September 3085. Thus, the events of the episode The Interrogation transpire soon after the very very recent
election of Yalu to the High Council on that date, yet before the destruction of the Moon on Monday 4 October 3085.
In my scenario, Yalu would never have run for office when that opportunity arose if it hadn't been for the fact that Zaius (and Urko) had tried to railroad Galen to a trial-less death sentence, not allowing Galen
to defend himself in an Ape Court, since he would've tried to use as evidence for his "heresy" the book he retrieved from the spacecraft's landing site (by Farrow, where he'd dropped it). Zaius
told Virdon and Burke that he was going to "have poor Galen killed"... and he would've succeeded had it not been for these "strange humans" interceding on his behalf, freeing him to join them as
fugitives.
Yalu -- backed by a contingent of chimpanzees who had learned that Galen wasn't to be given a fair trial and was to have been killed for reasons of "national security" -- is elected to the High Council,
then, as part of a brewing political crisis which centers around this abuse of power by the Chief Councillor and the Chief of Security (Urko) whom Zaius can barely constrain.
Even though this Ape Calendar had its Epoch (i.e. its beginning point) established -- by Virgil -- as 26 September 1973, corresponding to AC 1/1/1 [Year One, Month One, Day One], the older numbering of the years had
never been forgotten, at least by the Apes in charge of their society. Thus, Chief Councillor Zaius (and the High Council and Wanda) know that their traditional calendar -- the lunisolar Ape Calendar -- begins in
what was once termed the year 1973 by "the Ancients". Zaius knows that those "Ancients" were humans, but the belief is fostered that the ruins of those cities of the Ancients were once the homes of
the Apes who were (falsely) said to have "always ruled the world". Thus, Zaius -- and, broadly speaking, any Ape historian considered to be an "authority" on the matter -- would assert that the world
had been created in Year One of that older (and strictly-solar) calendar -- i.e. in the year AD 1... and, after about 1,973 years, those "Ancients" were superseded by the direct ancestors of the Apes alive in
3085. The story of the Ape-onauts and Caesar (etc) had been suppressed in official circles, true, but the chronology -- the new Ape Calendar -- had been used ever since Virgil calculated its Epoch, 26 September 1973
being refigured as Day/Month/Year ONE (AC).
After the destruction of the Moon... after the bloody uprising that pitted the fed-up humans against their better-armed Ape masters... not only is history once again re-written (i.e. the Sacred Scrolls revised,
perhaps, to erase all evidence of humans once having had language), but the calendar dating back to the year when the human-tolerating Caesar "descended on Earth" in the womb of his Ape-onaut mother is no
longer used. With no Moon, there's no reason to keep up a lunisolar calendar, even if that Black Hole remnant still blasts the Earth's atmosphere with an ion jet every 29.53 days, like clockwork.
The line of Zaius will keep their awareness not only of the lunisolar Ape Calendar devised by Virgil, but also of the Calendar of the Ancients
-- i.e. our Gregorian Calendar -- because Zaius' ancestors had kept to themselves the knowledge that the world would be destroyed in "the year 3950". The calendar used during Planet
and Beneath will have been a revision of some kind, with a new Epoch or starting-point: the revelation of the Sacred Scrolls
in what was once referred to as "2755" [AD], corresponding to the 41st year of the 14th Period of the AC calendar, or AC 782 [i.e. 2755 - 1973]. Thus, when Zaius tells Taylor that the Sacred Scrolls were
written "twelve-hundred years ago" he is, in effect, saying that they are living in the year 1200 of their "historical" period -- where everything before that time is now deemed
"prehistory". Thus, the year of the destruction of the Moon would (later) be figured as Year 330.
Doctor Zaius, from Planet and Beneath, grew up knowing that he was living in the time of the end, according to those suppressed Secret Scrolls...
... yet, after AD 3950 came and went, Zaius would wonder why the Earth hadn't been destroyed, as it had been "prophesied" to be. Maybe the destiny of the world had
actually been changed by Caesar after all, he might speculate...
... but then the Hunt Club shows him the talking human who calls himself "Landon
" who -- under torture, or threat of torture -- tells him that he was one of three survivors of a 4-person mission. Maybe he saw the corpse of Dodge loaded onto one of the wagons that returned to Ape
City... maybe he knows Dodge is dead. But what about Taylor?
Landon can be dealt with with a prefrontal lobotomy... that will keep him from being a threat to the Ape society's status quo. But the presence of another
human able to talk is cause for alarm. Zaius has to find him, and deal with him expeditiously...
Which is why he pries about Zira's lab... "something's bothering him"...
It can't be mere coincidence that the arrival of talking humans
coincides with the prophesied date of the Earth's destruction, Zaius muses. The prophesied date might be "off" by 5 years or so, but it's close enough to convince Zaius that Taylor represents
a threat to the very future of the Apes.
Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 07-31-2007
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From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:28:56 AM Central Daylight Time, mwhitty@... writes:
I thought it was a big PLUS for REVOLUTION that they used various POTA characters from Caesar to Zira,
Cornelius and Zaius.
*** You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but to me, I just didn't dig it... The reuse of the established characters didn't do anything for me...
Caesar, yeah I can see using him, as the story takes place within the boundaries of post-CONQUEST timeframe... But the use of the others (Zaius, Cornelius, Zira) wasn't necessary and to me it seemed just a cheap
attempt to try to tie everything together into a nice circular bow... Yes, they CAN have their opinion that the thing is a giant circle (which I do NOT agree with), but even if it is a circle, there is no definate way
to say that all of the factors that caused the initial line to occur would be duplicated exactly, there's too many variables to say with certainty that there "will" be another chimp named Zira, born to
parents with the exact same name as her parents, etc. etc. But I'll stop here as this is not a timeline post...
Anyway, back to the comics, I'd prefer to see new characters in new stories if that'd happen again... I mean who needs 10,000 stories involving Zira and Cornelius? It's like some folks set there and think
they're superfans by saying they only want stories with the established (ie "famous") apes and no others will do... What they seem to forget though is that at one time, Ursus was a new ape... Caesar was a
new character... Aldo was new too, and now these apes are recognized as part of APES lore... I am NOT against introducing new characters at all, as long as the APES feel is there...
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Message: 45511 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/31/2007 7:37:55 PM Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:
Anyway, back to the comics, I'd prefer to see new characters in new stories if that'd happen
again... I mean who needs 10,000 stories involving Zira and Cornelius? It's like some folks set there and think they're superfans by saying they only want stories with the established (ie "famous")
apes and no others will do... What they seem to forget though is that at one time, Ursus was a new ape... Caesar was a new character... Aldo was new too, and now these apes are recognized as part of APES lore... I am
NOT against introducing new characters at all, as long as the APES feel is there...
*** I also wanted to add that I would NOT be against any good backstories involving established characters or even some original/new stories involving them... And any new stories could even combine established and
new apes, as long as it'd not end up being a cross of let's say General Ursus and his long lost relative Urko from the TV series...
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Message: 45512 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 12:54:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
Either
that, or maybe the tobacco plants they grow in 3955 are a mutant strain, which
packs less of a punch...?
Or maybe what was in that pipe wasn't tobacco.
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Message: 45513 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Sssssmokin'! |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 1:19:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:
At the
end of the first one, Hound of the Baskervilles (1939), he asked Watson
for "the needle," but that was one of the two Victorian Era ones made at
Fox. When the series moved to Universal, yeah, there was no reference I
can recall.
-- Rory
That's why I used the qualifier, "almost".
That's the only reference I recall as well.
"Watson, the needle!" Easy enough to
cut from the end of the film. Let's see
them go back and remove the pipe digitally.
When he's mulling a problem he smokes,
a lot! Thank God Disney hasn't bought
Universal. I've seen TV edits of Where
The Buffalo Roam that were anti-drug
and I can tell you, it didn't improve the
movie. I'm sure know one is going to
rush out to buy the "Censor's Cut".
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Message: 45514 |
From: TZer0@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Would ANYONE do a good job NOW? |
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In a message dated 7/29/2007 3:56:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:
Who here would be willing
to put up with a lesser Apes movie which, for whatever
reason, was popular with the masses and reignited interest in
POTA?
Nah. Screw that. I want a POTA that
shocks me like the original, though it
takes a lot to shock me these days.
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Message: 45515 |
From: John |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Back from Comic Con. |
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.html Back from san Diego. It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept hearing "we
didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and artist
I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes stuff
with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution" book
that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
were fantastic!!!! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45516 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
.htmlGlad you had a great time. I missed out on seeing Mike Ploog, went by
his desk a couple of times, but he wasn't there.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: John < DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:47 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Back from san Diego. It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept
hearing "we
didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and artist
I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes stuff
with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution" book
that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
were fantastic!!!! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
section.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45517 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/31/2007 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 45518 |
From: Neil Foster |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Orangutans use 'charades' to talk |
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Orangutan communication resembles a game of
charades, a study suggests.
Researchers from St Andrews University have shown that the
animals intentionally modify or repeat their signals to get their messages
across.
The scientists said they believed all great apes could have this
capability, suggesting that the skill may have evolved millions of years ago.
The study, which is published in the journal Current Biology,
involved six orangutans living in two zoos.
Richard Byrne, an evolutionary psychologist and an author on the
paper, said: "We were interested in the intentions behind communication.
"When humans communicate, we routinely use our knowledge of what
our audience knows and what they don't know automatically.
"We wanted to find out whether the great apes, that have so much
flexibility with their communication, do the same thing."
Bananas v leeks
To find this out, the researchers set up a situation where six
captive orangutans were presented with a keeper who had treats, such as bananas,
and blander food, such as leeks or celery.
The animals gestured to attract the keeper's attention so the
tasty treat would be passed to them.
However, once the orangutans had done this, the keepers did one
of three things: they either handed them the treat, handed them the bland food
or handed them half the treat. The scientists then recorded their reactions.
"When the keeper gave the orangutan the really nice food,
understandably, that was the end of it," explained Professor Byrne.
"But when the keeper pretended to fail to understand the
original gesture and gave the wrong food, the orangutans stopped using the
gestures they had used before and started using some different gestures," he
explained.
"And when the keeper half understood and gave the orangutan part
of the treat, the orangutans started to repeat the same gestures that they had
used, but they would repeat them even more enthusiastically."
Professor Byrne likened it to a game of charades.
He said: "Part of the skill is to do the miming and the
gesturing in the cleverest way - but also you are paying attention to what your
team is guessing, and you tailor what you do next to what they are doing."
Effectively, the orangutans were able to take into account the states of
knowledge, ignorance and partial knowledge of the keeper and react, said
Professor Byrne.
Given that orangutans are the most distantly related great ape
to humans, the scientists believe that all great apes would prove to have this
skill.
"This ability to take into account how much individuals have
understood you, and to modify what you do next, is probably quite an ancient one
in the human lineage," explained Professor Byrne.
Neil
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Message: 45519 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
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Did you 2 meet up?
Kevin, John was the freaky looking dude
with the stripper on his arm! J
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007
1:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from
Comic Con.
Glad you
had a great time. I missed out on seeing Mike Ploog, went by
his desk a couple of times, but he wasn't there.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: John <DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:47 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Back from san Diego .
It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept
hearing "we
didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and artist
I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes stuff
with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution"
book
that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
were fantastic!!! ! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
section.
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Message: 45520 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
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Gee. I must have miss him because I was kinda busy with someone I
recognized at the con. I was trying to look for the stripper.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: mwhitty < mwhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:52 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Did you 2 meet up?
Kevin, John was the freaky looking dude
with the stripper on his arm! J
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From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007
1:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from
Comic Con.
Glad you
had a great time. I missed out on seeing Mike Ploog, went by
his desk a couple of times, but he wasn't there.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: John < DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:47 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Back from san Diego.
It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept
hearing "we
didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and artist
I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes stuff
with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution"
book
that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
were fantastic!!!! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
section.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 45521 |
From: mwhitty |
Date: 8/2/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
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You guys have all the fun!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 2:18
PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from
Comic Con.
Gee. I must have miss him because I was kinda busy with someone I
recognized at the con. I was trying to look for the stripper.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: mwhitty <mwhitty@optusnet. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:52 pm
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Did you 2 meet up?
Kevin, John was the freaky looking dude
with the stripper on his arm! J
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From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of
PofTAfan@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007
1:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from
Comic Con.
Glad you
had a great time. I missed out on seeing Mike Ploog, went by
his desk a couple of times, but he wasn't there.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: John <DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:47 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
Back from san Diego .
It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept
hearing "we
didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and artist
I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes stuff
with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution"
book
that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
were fantastic!!! ! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
section.
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Message: 45522 |
From: John |
Date: 8/3/2007 |
| Subject: Re: Back from Comic Con. |
.htmlMuhahahahahaha!!!!! You have no idea! ;)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> You guys have all the fun!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> PofTAfan@...
> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 2:18 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
>
>
>
>
> Gee. I must have miss him because I was kinda busy with someone I
> recognized at the con. I was trying to look for the stripper.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwhitty <mwhitty@optusnet. <mailto:mwhitty%40optusnet.com.au>
com.au>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 9:52 pm
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
>
> Did you 2 meet up?
>
>
>
> Kevin, John was the freaky looking dude
> with the stripper on his arm! J
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> From:
> PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com]
On Behalf
> Of
> PofTAfan@aol. <mailto:PofTAfan%40aol.com> com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007
> 1:29 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Back from
> Comic Con.
>
>
>
> Glad you
> had a great time. I missed out on seeing Mike Ploog, went by
>
> his desk a couple of times, but he wasn't there.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: John <DrZaiusDavis@ <mailto:DrZaiusDavis%40aol.com> aol.com>
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
>
> Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:47 pm
>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Back from Comic Con.
>
> Back from san Diego.
> It was amazing!! Unfortunately I kept
>
> hearing "we
>
> didn't bring any because it dosen't sell" from every vendor and
artist
>
> I asked about Planet of the Apes. I did finally get my Sideshow
>
> collectibles Lawgiver statue..... but not from Sideshow directly and
>
> not the limited "bloody" version. They too didn't have any Apes
stuff
>
> with them. I met both Mike Ploog & Tom Fowler who both had art for
>
> sale.... but no Apes ... because "nobody ever wants that at these
>
> things." Tom did have some amazing pages from the "Revolution"
> book
>
> that were "unruined by color" but he couldn't sell them to me. They
>
> were fantastic!!!! I did buy some Return to the Planet of the Apes
>
> animation cells and added pics of them and Mike & Tom to the files
>
> section.
>
>
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