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----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:08 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Where did they get the ship for ESCAPE?!??!

Good question.

Not any definitive answer!

Here’s one answer:

It’s Taylor ’s ship (as confirmed in Escaped by the military dude).

PROBLEM: Taylor ’s ship was left for dead by Taylor so it’s VERY unlikely it was salvageable.

ALSO: Have you seen the cockpit?  Not the same as the one in the DELETED SCENS of escape (so this is no argument – maybe that’s why they deleted it!).  BUT – the apes come through a door in ESCAPE that’s not there in PLANET.

There’s a comic by Mike McColm (is it on Hunter’s site?) that give’s Mike’s explanation of this.

Neil Foster and I did a comic strip that touched on it too.

Neil and I have Milo discovering a mass of ships in the FZ and secretly journeying there to examine these for years (about 10 – 15) prior to Taylor ’s landing.  We don’t attempt to come out and say too much – but if this were the case, it would explain how Milo so quickly learned how to fly the ship (something which also defied easy explanation! ).

I’d suggest Milo uses one of these ships and maybe it is one Taylor used on a previous mission (so it is “Taylor’s ship) or he gets a part from Taylor’s shi and therefore it is identified as such (a chip or something – or a Hard Drive – like if I put my Hard Drive in someone else’s machine, an analysis might identify it as my computer when it’s just my hard drive).

But really it’s another fuck up!

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of eltf177
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 2:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Introduction

I'm a newbie to the group. Been a fan of the movies, TV series and
Cartoon for years. I have the Marvel Magazine series, the Adventure
Comics series and LOVED Revolution on the POTA! I've been getting back
into it lately (bought the TV series and Cartoon on DVD, better than
I'd remembered).
The only big problem I have (which I understand many others do as
well) are the continunity problems, understandable in such a massive
series. For me, the biggest is exactly where did Cornelius, Zira and
Milo get the ship they used in ESCAPE?
Looking forward to lively discussions with fellow fans!

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----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:32 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

Yup.

And look what happened to me – Mr spend u on APES guy!

I got bitten with the Medicoms ($30 a piece new – got 2 of each) to see them sell for about $2 within a year.

I still don’t have one sideshow figure and I’ll wait till they are giving them away.

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 6:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

-- Even when 'major new POTA items' do get released (very rarely these days) the only people who seem to get excited about them is us lot, not the general public, so I think POTA has already been relegated to the 'old news' section.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

If there is no major new POTA items to get the public interested than it simply becomes old news

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----- Original Message -----

From: nlmoxham

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:32 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

Well first off, thanks for implying that I'm a young fart! I'm
actually 32. I've been a sci-fi fan since I was a teenager and I
certainly saw at least the first 2 movies a long time ago on TV, and
I think I got to watch the first ten minutes of the TV show re-runs
on Sunday mornings before my parents would drag me to church (looks
like the Apes eventually won out though!). I guess what drew me in
was the fact that there were so many sequels, I mean even now I'll
try to catch all the sequals to my favourite movies and figure out
how they relate to each other. I definately remember talking to a
friend about the Apes universe about 10 years ago.

And that was what disappointed me the most about Burton's movie -
that it ignored/contradicte d everything that had gone before.

How I got into hardcore POTAdom is from when I did a college in
course computer studies in 2003 and was required to build a website.
When my teacher (a Trekkie) caught me reading Apes websites during
class he suggested I should build a website on that, so I did. I
thought I could just try it for a while and then stop, but I got
hooked and haven't been able to quit!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
>
> -- As someone who did, as you say, came to POTAdom after the Burton
> movie you would have had a different Apes experience than most of
us old
> farts on here. ;-)
> Did you know much about the 'classic' Apes movies and stuff before
> seeing the 2001 version or did seeing that lead you to 'finding'
the old
> stuff?
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf
> Of nlmoxham
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:39 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?
>
>
>
> Well, I sometimes wonder how the Burton movie will be judged by
> future generations, after we're all gone. As someone who came to
> POTAdom after that movie, I know that in the future fans might take
> all Apes stuff as a whole and might be less harsh towards Burton.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId= 8605785/grpspId= 1705021437/ m
> sgId=45637/stime= 1186497583/ nc1=3858795/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=3848429>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:49 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

Did I hear JJ is doing THE DARK TOWER as a TV Series?

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 11:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

  Another thing is if one of these hot geniuses took a liking to POTA. The reason the new "Star trek" movie is going is because Paramount wanted to sign J.J. Abrams. He said he'd do it if he could have a shot at "Star Trek". And they made it so.

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:51 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

-- But why aren't more of the 'older' fans (apart from you guys it seems) going to these conventions and spreading 'the word' then if there really is a sizeable fan base?

Maybe because there really are not that many out there to start with? If something like ' Battle for the Planets' has more of a presence at these things than POTA then surely POTA fandom must be at an all time low?

I also don't think conventions will change anything, the only thing that may spark any new interest would be a new movie, not toys or comics based on the classic Apes characters and scenarios.

POTA seems to very rarely produce new younger fans these days, a quick look at all the familiar 'old' names posting on these Ape message boards clearly shows that.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@aol. com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

In my opinion the problem why "Planet of the Apes" is not
attracting newer, younger fans is that when you go to any conventions
anywhere in the world
you see many fan clubs there. Fan clubs like "Star Trek", "Star Wars",
"Farscape", any "Stargate" club and even smaller and vocal clubs
attends these functions, I
even saw a " Battle of the Planet" group there.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dario Sciola

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:33 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

So what's the website (assuming it's still up)?
I think I've been to every POTA site out there at one time or another,
but ya never know.

Oh, and 32 IS 'young' around here as most of the rest clock in at 40+.
Not knocking it though, as I'd rather be a young fart than an old one.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: nlmoxham <neilmoxham@eircom. net>
Date: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:32 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

> Well first off, thanks for implying that I'm a young fart! I'm
> actually 32. I've been a sci-fi fan since I was a teenager and I
> certainly saw at least the first 2 movies a long time ago on TV,
> and
> I think I got to watch the first ten minutes of the TV show re-
> runs
> on Sunday mornings before my parents would drag me to church
> (looks
> like the Apes eventually won out though!). I guess what drew me in
> was the fact that there were so many sequels, I mean even now I'll
> try to catch all the sequals to my favourite movies and figure out
> how they relate to each other. I definately remember talking to a
> friend about the Apes universe about 10 years ago.
>
> And that was what disappointed me the most about Burton's movie -
> that it ignored/contradicte d everything that had gone before.
>
> How I got into hardcore POTAdom is from when I did a college in
> course computer studies in 2003 and was required to build a
> website.
> When my teacher (a Trekkie) caught me reading Apes websites during
> class he suggested I should build a website on that, so I did. I
> thought I could just try it for a while and then stop, but I got
> hooked and haven't been able to quit!
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > -- As someone who did, as you say, came to POTAdom after the Burton
> > movie you would have had a different Apes experience than most
> of
> us old
> > farts on here. ;-)
> > Did you know much about the 'classic' Apes movies and stuff before
> > seeing the 2001 version or did seeing that lead you to 'finding'
> the old
> > stuff?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
> Behalf
> > Of nlmoxham
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:39 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, I sometimes wonder how the Burton movie will be judged by
> > future generations, after we're all gone. As someone who came to
> > POTAdom after that movie, I know that in the future fans might
> take
> > all Apes stuff as a whole and might be less harsh towards
> Burton.
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv?
> s=97359714/grpId= 8605785/grpspId= 1705021437/ m
> > sgId=45637/stime= 1186497583/ nc1=3858795/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=3848429>
> >
>
>
>
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff K.

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

  Haven't heard that. But he's got a movie coming out in January and the teaser poster is the, wait for it, destroyed Statue of Liberty. It's a monster movie or something.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:49 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

Did I hear JJ is doing THE DARK TOWER as a TV Series?

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 11:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

  Another thing is if one of these hot geniuses took a liking to POTA. The reason the new "Star trek" movie is going is because Paramount wanted to sign J.J. Abrams. He said he'd do it if he could have a shot at "Star Trek". And they made it so.

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:51 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

-- But why aren't more of the 'older' fans (apart from you guys it seems) going to these conventions and spreading 'the word' then if there really is a sizeable fan base?

Maybe because there really are not that many out there to start with? If something like ' Battle for the Planets' has more of a presence at these things than POTA then surely POTA fandom must be at an all time low?

I also don't think conventions will change anything, the only thing that may spark any new interest would be a new movie, not toys or comics based on the classic Apes characters and scenarios.

POTA seems to very rarely produce new younger fans these days, a quick look at all the familiar 'old' names posting on these Ape message boards clearly shows that.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@aol. com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Fan Presence at Conventions

In my opinion the problem why "Planet of the Apes" is not
attracting newer, younger fans is that when you go to any conventions
anywhere in the world
you see many fan clubs there. Fan clubs like "Star Trek", "Star Wars",
"Farscape", any "Stargate" club and even smaller and vocal clubs
attends these functions, I
even saw a " Battle of the Planet" group there.

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I read an interview with JJ Abrams and his upcoming "Star Trek" and he said the original POTA and "Twilight Zone" were his sci-fi benchmarks.

Hey, that's great, but what about 2001?  Who is this JJ dude, anyway?

-- Rory


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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:50 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: J.J. and POTA

In a message dated 8/10/2007 1:49:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

I read an interview with JJ Abrams and his upcoming "Star Trek" and he said the original POTA and "Twilight Zone" were his sci-fi benchmarks.

Hey, that's great, but what about 2001?  Who is this JJ dude, anyway?

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Well, yes, but there was talk of a second DVD project at some stage
wasn't there?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> You'd have to ask Hunter.
>
>
>
> He's not a member here - he disappears every time I rant about
someone (so
> yes - FREQUENTLY in other words! :-)).
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> nlmoxham
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 2:10 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Tonight Show skit
>
>
>
> Just saw this on YouTube - It starts with a very brief bit of
maybe a
> longer skit on Burton's Apes. Maybe a better recording could find
it's
> way onto the next rarities DVD?
>
> http://ie.youtube <http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDLfbfP31I >
> com/watch?v=-aDLfbfP31I
>

Well I call myself old if anyone calls me on it, but really I still
think like a 18 year old. Dammit, I still read comics and watch
cartoons! And 'Neighbours'! (the Aussies will understand that)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I know a lot of young farts who are old farts. A lot of it is
attitude. After that it's just a number. When we start calling
32 "old" there's something wrong with society. In this old fart's
opinion.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dario Sciola
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still
sell ?
>
>
> So what's the website (assuming it's still up)?
> I think I've been to every POTA site out there at one time or
another,
> but ya never know.
>
> Oh, and 32 IS 'young' around here as most of the rest clock in
at 40+.
> Not knocking it though, as I'd rather be a young fart than an
old one.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nlmoxham <neilmoxham@...>
> Date: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:32 am
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?
>
> > Well first off, thanks for implying that I'm a young fart! I'm
> > actually 32. I've been a sci-fi fan since I was a teenager and
I
> > certainly saw at least the first 2 movies a long time ago on
TV,
> > and
> > I think I got to watch the first ten minutes of the TV show re-
> > runs
> > on Sunday mornings before my parents would drag me to church
> > (looks
> > like the Apes eventually won out though!). I guess what drew
me in
> > was the fact that there were so many sequels, I mean even now
I'll
> > try to catch all the sequals to my favourite movies and figure
out
> > how they relate to each other. I definately remember talking
to a
> > friend about the Apes universe about 10 years ago.
> >
> > And that was what disappointed me the most about Burton's
movie -
> > that it ignored/contradicted everything that had gone before.
> >
> > How I got into hardcore POTAdom is from when I did a college
in
> > course computer studies in 2003 and was required to build a
> > website.
> > When my teacher (a Trekkie) caught me reading Apes websites
during
> > class he suggested I should build a website on that, so I did.
I
> > thought I could just try it for a while and then stop, but I
got
> > hooked and haven't been able to quit!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > -- As someone who did, as you say, came to POTAdom after the
Burton
> > > movie you would have had a different Apes experience than
most
> > of
> > us old
> > > farts on here. ;-)
> > > Did you know much about the 'classic' Apes movies and stuff
before
> > > seeing the 2001 version or did seeing that lead you
to 'finding'
> > the old
> > > stuff?
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On
> > Behalf
> > > Of nlmoxham
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:39 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still
sell ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I sometimes wonder how the Burton movie will be judged
by
> > > future generations, after we're all gone. As someone who
came to
> > > POTAdom after that movie, I know that in the future fans
might
> > take
> > > all Apes stuff as a whole and might be less harsh towards
> > Burton.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
> > s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > >
sgId=45637/stime=1186497583/nc1=3858795/nc2=3848614/nc3=3848429>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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OK then, how about the comics? Do you still have copies of all of them?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mwhitty <mwhitty@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:16 pm
Subject: RE: RE: [PotaDG] Fan presence at conventions.

> We hit a snag with the prints. Can't get the same printer - so I
> can't see
> it happening.
>
>
>
> It would have just been the same as me throwing money into a pit
> anyway!:-)
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Dario Sciola
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:39 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] Fan presence at conventions.
>
>
> Micheal/Neil: So whats the pricing for the comics and prints? I'm
> working on my basement a lot these days (hence my recent silence)
> and
> once it's done I'm gonna have walls to fill with POTA stuff.
> (Actually
> I've already got lots of stuff, but I could always use more.)
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:56 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Foreign comics

In a message dated 6/12/2007 11:40:48 PM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

have you guys already talked about the giant sized phone book thickness POTA comics from Europe ?   I have a few of these also

*** What are these? How many issues do you know of? Color or black and white?
Country of origin? ***


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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:52 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/6/2007 10:57:18 PM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

Some of you might recall that I went out on a limb to help promote the 2001 movie and I tried carrying a full line of new POTA merchandise well I invested $10,000.00 of my own money just to have it in inventory - well nothing sold and eventually I cleaned it all out at 90% off on ebay.

*** That sounds like purely a money making plan on your part. The stuff was going to be widely available anyway, so why would you even invest so much in product that was going to be available everywhere: My guess is to profit, plain and simple. There was no desire to promote anything but growth of your pocketbook, and that's alright. There's nothing wrong with trying to make an honest buck. Your motives sound like they were pure commerce.Your saying you were trying to promote that film is the same as let's say TOYS R US, KayBee Toys, etc. saying they were trying to promote the film. The stores are in business to make money, not to promote anything, unless it's promoting sales of their goods. If those were your motives, that's fine, but don't set there and try to get us all to feel bad that you took a loss, nobody here suggested that you go "ape-shit" on investing in product that the market was saturated with (or was soon to be saturated with.)

That movie was bad news from the get go, and its the poor sales of it's merchandise that all the stores were stuck with that made any of them gun-shy of anything APES. ***

I love Starsky And Hutch - and was mostly insulted when I saw the new movie cause it simply makes fun of the original - but I guess the movie guys feel its better to take that approach than do it serious.   It still brought awareness to the original series but also at an expense.

*** And that's wrong that they did that. I am NOT a fan of anything being "made fun of" if it was meant to be serious (or at least dramatic or  action oriented) in it's original incarnation. And bringing awareness to the original is a poor trade off if the original was bastardized. ***

Anybody who takes the time and effort to put out a new POTA item (comics, toys etc) should be patted on the back for at least trying to help keep the fire burning and to show their appreciation to the series.  It  doesnt mean you have to like it and not everything put out is "good" but sometimes something is better than nothing.

*** Not true. I'd rather see APES die with dignity rather than having it dragged out one more time to squeeze one more dime out of it. APES should have went out on top and leaving people wanting rather than being milked til it's teat was blistered and near the point of falling off. "Something" is NOT always better than nothing. Having it have respect is better than having it's logo plastered on yet another piece of dime-store toys just so somebody can say "Well, it's something".. . APE-NATION was "something, now do you really think that was worth putting out so "something" was out there? ***


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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/7/2007 11:04:59 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

Terry doesn't get the interest in Megos but they were before his time.

*** Strange thing to say considering he said he is 36 years old, and the MEGO stuff was HUGE in ' 74- ' 76 ( even ' 77) so the stuff was around in "his time"... MEGO APES items were available in stores well into the late 70s, I remember WARDS here had APES in stock as late as 1982. He would have been able to get in on the MEGO stuff, it was in "his time"...

Anyway, Hoknes said this in his post:

"I usually don't buy stuff that I can easily get everyday.

So I see no huge interest in buying loose Mego figures, as cool as they are."

Where did he say that he doesn't "get" the interest? He just said they're common
stuff he has no interest in...








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----- Original Message -----

From: nlmoxham

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:39 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

Well, I sometimes wonder how the Burton movie will be judged by
future generations, after we're all gone. As someone who came to
POTAdom after that movie, I know that in the future fans might take
all Apes stuff as a whole and might be less harsh towards Burton. At
the risk of bringing down the wrath of the group, I didn't
completely hate that movie, I don't hate 'Terror', and I even quite
like 'Return'. Maybe that's just me, or maybe it's because I don't
remember being disappointed when they first came out. Will future
generations think of it as simply another of the Apes movies? On the
other hand, I find it very hard to imagine that many movies made in
the last 20 years or so will still have people discussing their
merits 40 years after they were made, since there's so little
originality and innovation in Hollywood today. Maybe people will
always (correctly) see the late 1960's to late 1970's as a golden
age of cinema, especially sci-fi.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have found all the postings lately to be of interest to throw in
some more comments and questions
>
> As some of you know I deal in collectibles in sci-fi and mostly
music and culture related items
>
> The debate about fans getting too old to support fandom is
something I am always wondering about.
>
> Do we presume that POTA support should stay strong forever?
> I do agree with the comment "out of sight, out of mind"
> If there is no major new POTA items to get the public interested
than it simply becomes old news
>
> It is very important to note that Star Wars and Star Trek have
never really taken breaks from merchandise in some form or other
> It is continually pushed - partially because it is already strong
but partially to keep it strong in the future
>
> POTA has had a new movie in 2001 - but other than that no multi-
media to reach the masses since the tv movies in 1981
> So as the interest in 1960s culture slowlystarts to fade away
there might not be anyone in the next generation to grow up and keep
the flame burning with interest
>
> There will always be some fans that have some unique in nostalgia
etc but is it enough to promote new merchandise around it
> 2001 Space Odyssey was a bigger movie and more highly acclaimed
yet nobody is continually pushing new materials to promote it
> so why should POTA expect more?
> Yes there was more movies and tv series but still that is 35 years
ago !!
>
> When I started Ape Chronicles in 1991 it was too help support a
fan base for fans out there who were genuinely interested in the
series
> but hard to believe that is almost 20 yrs ago and all the fans
even my age have grown up.
>
> I, for one have propably "handled" more POTA stuff than anyone on
this list
> Yet even I, really dont save it all - I don't have a POTA shrine
in my house - my personal interest has always been in printed
materials so I do keep all the foreign comics etc but thats about it
>
> I usually dont buy stuff that I can easily get everyday
> So I see no huge interest in buying loose mego figures as cool as
they are.
> And I havent bought any of the POTA related toys that have come
out since 2001
> Some of you might recall that I went out on a limb to help promote
the 2001 movie and I tried carrying a full line of new POTA
merchandise
> well I invested $10,000.00 of my own money just to have it in
inventory - well nothing sold and eventually I cleaned it all out at
90% off on ebay
>
> I actually dont mind the movie - I even think they could
definitely make a sequel based on what they gave us
> It would still sell and make money and keep the POTA name in the
news
> but yes it has nothing to do with the original series
>
> I love Starsky And Hutch - and was mostly insulted when I saw the
new movie cause it simply makes fun of the original - but I guess
the movie guys feel its better to take that approach than do it
serious. It still brought awareness to the original series but
also at an expense.
>
> Anybody who takes the time and effort to put out a new POTA item
(comics, toys etc) should be patted on the back for at least trying
to help keep the fire burning and to show their appreciation to the
series. It doesnt mean you have to like it and not everything put
out is "good" but sometimes something is better than nothing.
>
> I dont find time to put Ape Chronicles out on a regular basis
cause simply put my life goes on and if its not profitable and there
isnt a lot of support than at this point in my life I see things
differently at 36 than I did at 20 and figure its not a priority at
the moment - but of course its always in the back of my mind to get
it out - cause I love doing it and love keeping the interesting up
in POTA
>
> Anyways I was just rambling thoughts - I got lots more to say but
we'll see what comments I get on what I've written so far - thanks
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:21 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

I hear you Terry.

It really seems like most POTA fans are out for freebies – they run and hide when you mention money so you always get left holding the baby.

And yeah – I recall at the start – before I saw the movie – I was going to buy one of everything from you and I was thrilled I could get everything at the one place – AND you offered like 25% off store prices.  So you can’t be accused of profiteering there.,,,

Michael

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 4:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

You bring up valid points

but in this case there are not correct

I did not buy the POTA items to make money or for my own collection

I simply wanted to offer a complete line of everything that was new and be a complete POTA store and really help promote the new movie and the merchandise around it

But it didnt work and so I lost out

I ain't blaming anyone - i'm just saying that my love for POTA was the reason for doing it and I got burned

Everything I do around POTA seems like i'm out to make a buck but thats simply cause it costs money to run a website, to buy inventory etc etc.

In the 16 years I've promoted POTA professionally you would find if i balanced the books I am still in the hole !

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@aol. com

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:52 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/6/2007 10:57:18 PM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

Some of you might recall that I went out on a limb to help promote the 2001 movie and I tried carrying a full line of new POTA merchandise well I invested $10,000.00 of my own money just to have it in inventory - well nothing sold and eventually I cleaned it all out at 90% off on ebay.

*** That sounds like purely a money making plan on your part. The stuff was going to be widely available anyway, so why would you even invest so much in product that was going to be available everywhere: My guess is to profit, plain and simple. There was no desire to promote anything but growth of your pocketbook, and that's alright. There's nothing wrong with trying to make an honest buck. Your motives sound like they were pure commerce.Your saying you were trying to promote that film is the same as let's say TOYS R US, KayBee Toys, etc. saying they were trying to promote the film. The stores are in business to make money, not to promote anything, unless it's promoting sales of their goods. If those were your motives, that's fine, but don't set there and try to get us all to feel bad that you took a loss, nobody here suggested that you go "ape-shit" on investing in product that the market was saturated with (or was soon to be saturated with.)

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----- Original Message -----

From: mwhitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

It’s happening now!

Megos are going under $100 on the card – in about 7-8/10 condition!

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 4:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

Ebay has definitely proved what items are rare and which are common

Now its possible that something common might be highly collected

but still if buyers know they can buy the same item at any given moment they are never gonna spend big bucks

thats what has driven prices down on ebay

In the past ten years on ebay I have seen how many zillion copies of the POTA marvel magazines

doesnt every fan out there possibly have a copy of these buy now?

Even most Mego figures have turned up loose a zillion times - are there collectors who want 100 of each figure?

what happens when everybody who wants one has one

and yet more turn up on the market ?  

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@aol. com

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/7/2007 11:04:59 AM Central Daylight Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

Terry doesn't get the interest in Megos but they were before his time.

*** Strange thing to say considering he said he is 36 years old, and the MEGO stuff was HUGE in ' 74- ' 76 ( even ' 77) so the stuff was around in "his time"... MEGO APES items were available in stores well into the late 70s, I remember WARDS here had APES in stock as late as 1982. He would have been able to get in on the MEGO stuff, it was in "his time"...

Anyway, Hoknes said this in his post:

"I usually don't buy stuff that I can easily get everyday.

So I see no huge interest in buying loose Mego figures, as cool as they are."

Where did he say that he doesn't "get" the interest? He just said they're common
stuff he has no interest in...








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Never liked that show.

They were all lame.

The Partridge Family were cool.

 

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The SIMPSONS are cooler!  J

 

But they weren't around back then.

 

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Over here Sky has just gone to prison for murdering Terrance. I
think we're about 2 to 3 months behind but I heard the BBC is gonna
drop it at the end of this year so I'll probably not see it after
that. Maybe I should go join a Neighbours discussion group?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mwhitty" <mwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Ha! My wife and kids watch NEIGHBOURS so I get stuck watching.
Thankfully,
> the producers realise people like me exist so they stack the
screen with the
> most delightful looking Aussie females - they make Nic look like
POO!
>
>
>
> Tell me - what is going on in Neighbours over your way? Currently
Paul is
> playing a NICE GUY!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> nlmoxham
> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2007 11:00 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?
>
>
>
> Well I call myself old if anyone calls me on it, but really I
still
> think like a 18 year old. Dammit, I still read comics and watch
> cartoons! And 'Neighbours'! (the Aussies will understand that)
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
com, "Jeff K."
> <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > I know a lot of young farts who are old farts. A lot of it is
> attitude. After that it's just a number. When we start calling
> 32 "old" there's something wrong with society. In this old fart's
> opinion.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dario Sciola
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still
> sell ?
> >
> >
> > So what's the website (assuming it's still up)?
> > I think I've been to every POTA site out there at one time or
> another,
> > but ya never know.
> >
> > Oh, and 32 IS 'young' around here as most of the rest clock in
> at 40+.
> > Not knocking it though, as I'd rather be a young fart than an
> old one.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nlmoxham <neilmoxham@>
> > Date: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:32 am
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?
> >
> > > Well first off, thanks for implying that I'm a young fart! I'm
> > > actually 32. I've been a sci-fi fan since I was a teenager and
> I
> > > certainly saw at least the first 2 movies a long time ago on
> TV,
> > > and
> > > I think I got to watch the first ten minutes of the TV show re-
> > > runs
> > > on Sunday mornings before my parents would drag me to church
> > > (looks
> > > like the Apes eventually won out though!). I guess what drew
> me in
> > > was the fact that there were so many sequels, I mean even now
> I'll
> > > try to catch all the sequals to my favourite movies and figure
> out
> > > how they relate
>

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

If we were to get a new Apes "sequel" which would you prefer?

o A continuation of the original series
o A continuation of the TV series
o An adaptation of the MArvel "Terror" storyline
o A sequel to Burton's POTA


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Thanks for the warm welcome. Sorry about the screen name, I'll go by
Jeff177.

For your information (or amusement) I present my theory of where the
ship seen in ESCAPE came from. It's long, complex and conspiritorial
but it does seem to fit the facts. I'll post it in several parts due
to length...
My Interpretation of Ships Seen in POTA, BENEATH and ESCAPE

This is my theory as to what ship Cornelius, Zira and Milo
used in ESCAPE FROM THE POTA. I've bounced this off several other
fans who helped me add to and refine it. It tries to answer every
possible question but it's rather complicated and conspiratorial.
I'm sure many fans won't like it, but this does try to explain
exactly what happened.

The following timeline comes from Jim Whitmore's article
OUTLINES OF TOMORROW: A CHRONOLOGY OF THE POTA which appeared in
Marvel Comics POTA Magazine #11 (augmented with material from The
Hasslein Curve timeline).

1972

February: Astronauts Taylor, Dodge, Stewart, and Landon are launched
on the first Interstellar Exploration flight.
May: All contact is lost with Taylor's ship. The ship is listed as
lost and the crew given a state funeral. Privately, hope is
maintained that the crew is still alive.
November: Astronauts "Skipper" Maddox and Brent are launched along
the same flight path as Taylor's vessel to probe its unexplained
disappearance from detection.

1973

April: Taylor's ship reappears mysteriously within nearby space. It
lands off the California coast slightly north of San Clemente and is
met by mobilized U.S. Navy Spaceflight Recovery crew. Capsule is
found to be piloted by Drs. Cornelius, Zira and Milo. Events of
ESCAPE FROM THE POTA begin.

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As we saw in POTA Taylor's ship sank in a large lake
somewhere off the remains of New York City. The dorsal hatch was
blown off prior to the ship sinking. I find it inconceivable that
three apes with at best a raft could raise and repair the ship. A
theory that the ship washed ashore and was sealed against water
damage is very interesting but seems highly unlikely to me.
As we saw in BENEATH "Skipper" and Brent's ship crashed in a
man-made dessert again somewhere near the remains of New York City.
The external damage was observed to be quite severe and it seems
highly unlikely that the ship could fly again (if it could fly Brent
almost certainly would have risked it rather than remain on an earth
populated by hostile apes).
The ship appearing in ESCAPE is obviously not Taylor's, we
never saw the inside of Brent's. Black Echo's website ANSANAUT
claims that "Skipper" and Brent arrived in two separate 3-man
ships; "Skipper's" crashing and Brent's being found by Cornelius,
Zira and Milo. It's an interesting theory but I just can't buy that
either. So where did this third ship come from? This is my take on
that subject...

Part 2

When Taylor's ship Icarus disappears a rescue mission is mobilized
(ignore Taylor's talk of colonization, this was a recon mission pure
and simple), but even this takes six months. This ship (unofficially
dubbed Rescue One) follows the same flight path as Taylor's and
disappears in the same area of space.
At this point Dr. Otto Hasslein is intrigued. Very little
telemetry was received from Icarus prior to its disappearance but
data sent by Rescue One just before its disappearance provides
Hasslein proof of his theory.
At this point a secret closed conference is called by ANSA
officials and a few chosen others. Hasslein wants to send another
ship with more and better sensors to record the phenomena. Others
want to send a second rescue ship; the consensus is that Taylor's
ship almost certainly crashed and Maddox's may very well have
suffered the same fate. However, the number one question is: will
the President authorize another costly (and quite possibly
unsuccessful) rescue mission? The committee decides to send another
ship, but without informing the President or receiving authorization
for the flight. This ship will be unmanned with extra on-board
flight recorders and will carry two large external packs with
additional sensors and communications equipment to relay precise
data back to earth. The ship also has a secondary mission, to land
and provide a way home for the six missing astronauts (making the
not unreasonable assumption their ships are no longer functional).
This third ship (dubbed Icarus II) is a prototype of a new
design; externally similar but with an improved drive, additional
shielding and its on-board computer uploaded with data from Icarus
and Rescue One. There are six seats, three front and three rear
(there's no need for hibernation chambers as the ship will
immediately return to Earth). The new equipment and software will
(hopefully) allow Icarus II to withstand the Hasslein curve, survive
a landing and safely return via the curve. The ship has pre-
programmed instructions to wait 30 days after landing. If not
activated by that time it will take off and return to earth using
data from the entry point. It is calculated Icarus II will reappear
some 10-14 Earth days after entering the Hasslein curve.
Icarus II is secretly launched in January 1973, the cover is
that of a replacement military satellite (`which unfortunately
collides with space junk soon after and is lost'). Much data is
received by ANSA before it disappears in the same area Icarus and
Rescue One did. Hasslein and other scientists eagerly study the
data, which provides information which is used in designing even
more powerful engines and for programming the on-board computers of
future ships.

Part 3

However, Icarus II doesn't quite have the same entry
trajectory as Icarus and Rescue One, thus instead of appearing two
months after Rescue One (at which point Earth no longer exists), it
actually appears in orbit some 12 hours BEFORE Rescue One. Icarus II
starts to follow its pre-programmed instructions, listening for
homing signals from Icarus and Rescue One. It receives nothing;
Icarus is no longer transmitting as every system in the ship shorted
out when it flooded and sank while Rescue One is still approaching
Earth and thus is not even transmitting. Icarus II then goes to
secondary programming; assuming this is the area both Icarus and
Rescue One ended up in (within a 50 mile radius) it makes the
nighttime landing it is programmed to do. Icarus II jettisons a
plume of fuel which is ignited, lighting up the sky, and drops
hundreds of flares of various colors. This is seen by the apes but
it interpreted as more of the same hallucinations being sent by
Mendez and the mutants (I assume the mutants were using long-range
telepathy to try and dissuade the apes from invading. It didn't work
as the apes lacked the higher brain functions of humans). Icarus II
lands safely some 22 miles east of Ape City in the Forbidden Zone,
on the opposite side of a large wood and near the Atlantic Ocean.
Normally the apes would send out a scout party but, with the
army ready to march, no one is available. Cornelius, Zira and Milo
see the landing and decide to investigate. There are few pickets to
avoid and Dr. Zaius is too busy to try and stop them.
The three chimpanzee's march in the general direction of the
light show and, just before daybreak, stumble upon Icarus II. All
three are in awe, but eventually Cornelius and Zira identify it as
something similar to what Taylor had described to them (I'm assuming
that, during their long conversation on paper, Taylor made a drawing
of the ship and described very roughly how it worked, including the
use of spacesuits).
The trio of chimpanzee's enter the ship. As this is a new
design unknown to the two missing crews a large number of flight
manuals are aboard. These mostly use pictures and drawings rather
than written words to describe ship functions as it was felt that
the astronauts would not have time to read and memorize text. Milo
and Cornelius study these manuals; written simply the genius Dr.
Milo has little trouble understanding them.

Part 5

The reappearance of Icarus II catches ANSA totally off
guard. The US Navy mobilizes and recovers the ship; luckily no one
involved with the rescue operation had anything to do with the
original Icarus, thus no one can say `hey, this ISN'T the Icarus!'
And the identification of Icarus II as Taylor's Icarus? Remember,
this was a black operation (unauthorized and un-acknowledged);
Icarus II was roughly the same size and shape as Icarus and more
importantly was sending out the same transponder (identification)
signal as Icarus as cover. All this naturally led everyone to
believe (incorrectly) that Icarus II was actually the original
Icarus. You can safely assume that when ANSA got the capsule back it
made damn sure anybody who had seen the original Icarus never got
within a hundred miles of Icarus II. In fact, Icarus II was probably
destroyed soon afterwards to avoid any chance of the deception being
discovered.
Hasslein and other scientists eagerly study the flight
recording data, which provide here-to-fore unknown details of the
ship's journey. Again, this information will be used to design new
engines and program the next generation of ship computers.

For a second time ANSA gets lucky. Before anyone can ask any
embarrassing questions about Icarus II Cornelius and Zira state that
they met Taylor, this reinforces public belief that Icarus II is
actually the original Icarus. All data dealing with Icarus II is
purged; all records now indicate that Cornelius, Zira and Milo
returned in the original Icarus originally piloted by Col. Taylor
and his lost crew.
And in my opinion the ship carried a fourth passenger; the
Plague From Space. It's my belief that Cornelius, Zira and Milo
brought it back with them in a dormant form. Some nine years later
in 1982 it mutated into the virulent strain that killed the world's
dogs and cats, possibly even being activated/mutated by another
disease brought back around that very same time by another astronaut.

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And there you have it, my version of who's ship the ape-
onauts used in ESCAPE. As I said, it's quite complicated and
conspiratorial but it does answer most questions.
All comments welcome, pro or con...

Part 4

Zira realizes they will probably be here for some time. Not
wanting to be stuck with nothing but the clothes on her back she
sneaks back into Ape City and packs a bag with some extra clothing,
a few other items and as much fruit as she can find. She quickly
returns to Icarus II.
By this time Milo has pretty much figured out how the ship
works. He and Cornelius are eager to try and launch the ship. Zira
protests at first, but finally agrees. The three get into spacesuits
and Milo presses the `launch' button.
Icarus II takes off and enters a high orbit. The three
chimpanzees are unaware of G-forces and are quickly rendered
unconscious. Following its pre-programmed instructions Icarus II
heads away from Earth to re-enter the Hasslein curve that brought it
here.
The ape-onauts wake and Milo tries to get the ship to return
to the planet. He is frustrated by two problems. The first is that
Icarus II is not programmed to return to the planet but to instead
re-enter the Hasslein curve and return home; Milo would have to
override the ship's computer and take manual control, something he
doesn't know how to do. The even bigger problem soon rears its ugly
head; the planet below them melts, explodes and ceases to exist.
They are lucky, Icarus II is far enough away from earth and
close enough to the Hasslein curve that it isn't destroyed by the
blast. However, Icarus II is knocked slightly off trajectory just
prior to insertion. This means that, instead of reappearing some 10-
14 days after first entering the Hasslein curve, it appears some 5½
months later. During this time Icarus II has been assumed to have
been lost along with Taylor's Icarus and Maddox's Rescue One. As
this launch was unauthorized (and unmanned) no public information is
released.

Well my friend, you and Patrick are gonna get along great. ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "eltf177" <eltf177@...> wrote:
>
> Part 4
>
> Zira realizes they will probably be here for some time. Not
> wanting to be stuck with nothing but the clothes on her back she
> sneaks back into Ape City and packs a bag with some extra clothing,
> a few other items and as much fruit as she can find. She quickly
> returns to Icarus II.
> By this time Milo has pretty much figured out how the ship
> works. He and Cornelius are eager to try and launch the ship. Zira
> protests at first, but finally agrees. The three get into
spacesuits
> and Milo presses the `launch' button.
> Icarus II takes off and enters a high orbit. The three
> chimpanzees are unaware of G-forces and are quickly rendered
> unconscious. Following its pre-programmed instructions Icarus II
> heads away from Earth to re-enter the Hasslein curve that brought
it
> here.
> The ape-onauts wake and Milo tries to get the ship to return
> to the planet. He is frustrated by two problems. The first is that
> Icarus II is not programmed to return to the planet but to instead
> re-enter the Hasslein curve and return home; Milo would have to
> override the ship's computer and take manual control, something he
> doesn't know how to do. The even bigger problem soon rears its ugly
> head; the planet below them melts, explodes and ceases to exist.
> They are lucky, Icarus II is far enough away from earth and
> close enough to the Hasslein curve that it isn't destroyed by the
> blast. However, Icarus II is knocked slightly off trajectory just
> prior to insertion. This means that, instead of reappearing some 10-
> 14 days after first entering the Hasslein curve, it appears some 5½
> months later. During this time Icarus II has been assumed to have
> been lost along with Taylor's Icarus and Maddox's Rescue One. As
> this launch was unauthorized (and unmanned) no public information
is
> released.
>

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J. J. Abrams, creator/producer of "Alias" and "Lost" ; director of "Mission: Impossible 3" and the new "Star Trek" movie and one of the hottest dogs around. Probably liked "2001".

Oh, dear.....

Never watched "Alias."  Can't stand "Lost."  Hate the M.I. movies.

I hope this guy doesn't fuck-up Star Trek!

-- Rory


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.html.html In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:48:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't see any other review of this so I might as well, in the words of the oppressive humans, "TALK!".

Yeah, where are the others reporting in.

Anyway, sounds like it was a pretty good showing.  Heston is pretty easy to laugh at.  I remember people even laughed in '68.  I think they were supposed to.  Glad to hear Bill Creber is still talking about APES.  I've been watching the DVDs of the old
"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" TV show and he was art director on a lot of those, so I'd have asked him about that too.

Anyway, I wish I could have been there, but I couldn't.  I think there's a revival theatre in New Jersey that may show the APES films next year for the 40th Anniversary.  THAT I will try to get to.

-- Rory


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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:25 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: J.J. and POTA

In a message dated 8/10/2007 4:31:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

J. J. Abrams, creator/producer of "Alias" and "Lost" ; director of "Mission: Impossible 3" and the new "Star Trek" movie and one of the hottest dogs around. Probably liked "2001".

Oh, dear.....

Never watched "Alias."  Can't stand "Lost."  Hate the M.I. movies.

I hope this guy doesn't fuck-up Star Trek!

-- Rory


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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:37 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Double Feature

In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:48:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@earthlink. net writes:

I don't see any other review of this so I might as well, in the words of the oppressive humans, "TALK!".

Yeah, where are the others reporting in.

Anyway, sounds like it was a pretty good showing.  Heston is pretty easy to laugh at.  I remember people even laughed in '68.  I think they were supposed to.  Glad to hear Bill Creber is still talking about APES.  I've been watching the DVDs of the old
"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" TV show and he was art director on a lot of those, so I'd have asked him about that too.

Anyway, I wish I could have been there, but I couldn't.  I think there's a revival theatre in New Jersey that may show the APES films next year for the 40th Anniversary.  THAT I will try to get to.

-- Rory


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.html In a message dated 8/11/2007 1:27:48 AM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@... writes:

Everything I do around POTA seems like i'm out to make a buck but thats simply cause it costs money to run a website, to buy inventory etc etc.

*** No offense, but your websight has not been updated in years, so it doesn't appear thta any money has went into that... Plus, Hunter runs and constantly updates his websight, and he has yet to ever mention it costing money to keep it up-dated...

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Last night was the perfect ending to my "Vacation on
the Planet of the APes"! All week I've been scouting
out locations and taking hundreds of pics with the
hopes of putting together a "Visitor's Guide to
POTA".....

Explored Malibu Creek State Park, Zuma BEach/Point
Dume and Century City....I'll make a full report when
I get home.....sitting in the airport now....

It was great to meet Eric and Creber and JEFF K!!!
Jeff had his copy of Eric's book signed by everyone
from Chuck and Roddy to Jane Goodall! A true
treasure!!!

The prints DID look great and I especially liked the
lighting in some scenes which Creber pointed
out.....Zaius's office scene was excellent...I noticed
a few things that I had not really noticed
brfore....more art in the museum and Z&C's walls and a
bubbling sink in the vet's office......

THe audience was very responsive and laughed a lot
....not only at Heston's lines but all of the "human
see, human do" type lines.....the "see no evil"
stuff....and a big cheer at Ongaro's death....Names in
the credits got applause as well......It was cool to
watch with other fans....

I wondered as I watched how it must have felt to have
no idea that either ending was coming....how much of a
shock they must have been....especially everyone
getting gunned down then blown up in Beneath!

Creber was cool......I asked about the original
concept for the spaceship.....was it ever thought of
as part of another ship or what? He said simply, they
did what they needed to see from the script and they
never thought of anymore ship....only what was
needed....he also said it stood at the gates of the
Fox studios for a long time but doesn't know where it
is....He DOES know where the miniature version (used
for the "sinking" shot) is and he's not telling!

SO glad to have this week here and living and
breathing POTA.....like I said I'll give a more
detailed report when I get home and settled!

Tim

--- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> I don't see any other review of this so I might as
> well, in the words of the oppressive humans,
> "TALK!". I admit I was not particularly interested
> in this because of the distance and I've seen POTA
> on the big screen in excellent prints so many times.
> But I went and it was worth it. POTA looked great as
> always but the good news is "Beneath" looked
> fantastic. These movies look like they were made
> today. I'd love to see the other 3 now that they
> have these great prints from the DVDs. Watching
> "Beneath" with all it's unique visuals was just
> incredible. The army marching, the ruined New York,
> Linda Harrison's tan, it looked like a blown up DVD.
> But it's film, baby. Of course the masks in the
> speech scene looked that much worse. Remember "Point
> Break", the presidents masks? That's what it
> reminded me of. They looked like "happy faces".
> Those kind of mistakes would probably be a minus in
> a wide release for the 40th anniversary but it would
> be great if Fox could do a limited "Go Ape" release
> for film buffs.
> Also on the bill was Eric Greene introducing the
> films and doing a Q & A with Bill Creber. Some of
> the things he mentioned that stick out, he was
> talking about how small the budget was on "Beneath"
> and how they had to reuse what they could find. The
> tube that Brent and Nova walk through, the tunnel?
> Roddy dies in that in "The Poseidon Adventure". He
> mentioned some of the mistakes that stick out for
> him in "Planet", like tracks in the sand from
> previous takes, or how set-like the sets look to
> him, especially the interior of the cave. If they
> did it today they would have backlit it more because
> the sun is coming from the opening. He said he
> wanted moodier lighting to disguise that it's Earth.
> But the studio wanted standard lighting for
> "safety". Can't have an image no one can see.
> Maybe the most interesting thing about this
> screening was how young the crowd was, they looked
> about college age. There were people of all ages but
> most were young. They seemed to eventually get into
> the movie but they laughed at Heston more than I've
> ever heard an audience before. Another point for the
> "camp classic" group. But they did seem to like the
> movie and respect it.
> The theater seemed about half full, maybe a little
> more and then about half left before "Beneath". The
> ones that stayed seemed into "Beneath" with all it's
> faults and applauded when the villain (Don Pedro
> Colley) died.
> I also got to meet Tim P. (tim "ape fan") from
> North Carolina and that was great. He told me his
> adventures visiting the locations this week and he
> couldn't ask for a better conclusion than to see
> those locations on the big screen. I don't know if
> anyone else from these groups was there.
> I won tickets to see the Doors (aka Riders on the
> Storm) tonight so it's a great weekend. This is Jeff
> reporting from La La Land.
>

I'm catching up.....

which set? of what?

I have the BTB comics....

Tim
--- mwhitty <mwhitty@...> wrote:

> I recall I got one set to Tim but I don't think
> anyone else...?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> gp3085
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 3:32 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Bound comics... ahhhhhhhhhh.
>
>
>
> That's probably correct. For some reason I thought
> maybe I'd sent
> you 10-12 sets after we finished the last one. I
> remember printing a
> set for Cougar and sending it to him directly. I
> don't think there
> were any others, though.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "mwhitty"
> <mwhitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > I think we got like 3 orders and you just printed
> the 3 sets and
> sent these
> > out to people direct.
> >
> >
> >
> > I certainly don't have more than 2 of some of the
> issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > From (shabby!) memory, I think you sent a copy to
> everyone
> involved (and 2
> > to me - 1 of which I sent on to Neil) and we
> decided after having
> mllions of
> > posters and other comics left over we'd get an
> order first then
> print them
> > as required.?!?!
>
>
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 8/11/2007 3:13:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

The prints DID look great and I especially liked the
lighting in some scenes which Creber pointed
out.....Zaius's office scene was excellent...

Leon Shamroy, the DP on POTA, who's also responsible for the lighting, was a multiple Academy Award winning cinematographer.  In terms of the photography, PLANET is the best.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/11/2007 1:27:48 AM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

Everything I do around POTA seems like i'm out to make a buck but thats simply cause it costs money to run a website, to buy inventory etc etc.

*** No offense, but your websight has not been updated in years, so it doesn't appear thta any money has went into that... Plus, Hunter runs and constantly updates his websight, and he has yet to ever mention it costing money to keep it up-dated...


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.html In a message dated 8/11/2007 3:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@... writes:

my site at this point is pretty well useless and outdated

*** Perhaps it could be revamped at some point? Maybe Jeff K. has some items to email you to get you started?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:49 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

I totally agree with you there

my site at this point is pretty well useless and outdated

i've had no time to do anything with it

Hunter has all the goodies - I love his site !   He basically has what I had intented and hoped for 10 yrs ago

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@aol. com

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Planet Of The Apes - does it still sell ?

In a message dated 8/11/2007 1:27:48 AM Central Daylight Time, hoknescards@ shaw.ca writes:

Everything I do around POTA seems like i'm out to make a buck but thats simply cause it costs money to run a website, to buy inventory etc etc.

*** No offense, but your websight has not been updated in years, so it doesn't appear thta any money has went into that... Plus, Hunter runs and constantly updates his websight, and he has yet to ever mention it costing money to keep it up-dated...


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.html In a message dated 8/11/2007 4:50:05 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

We're all a community so there's no need to duplicate what others are doing. For example, I'm working on some "Ape Chronicles" articles that Cougar will hate but they're different from what "Simian Scrolls" provides.

*** And how do you know I will "hate" them? Well, you may be right if it deals with pota2001, but other than that, believe it or not, I do not hate everything not connected to PLANET.

As far as not duplicating what others are doing, nobody suggested that Terry try to duplicate what Hunter has done. He (Terry) could have his websight devoted exclusively to APES paper products for example. ***


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