On Jan 10, 2008 11:40 AM, Graham Hill <shop@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Still have some tweaking but he's coming along. Hope to complete by this
> weekend and take portraits. Everything pictured that is not plastic (Mego
> ape and horse) was made by me.
>
> Still to make: rifle holster, bridle, gun. I have to smooth out the hat
> and then paint it along with the hieroglyphs.
>

 Coming along quickly, Jessica !!!

I looked on your blog last Thursday (3rd Jan?) and you'ld just started the helmet. Great stuff !!

Looking forward to seeing the fully painted figure.

Best,Graham.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:14 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

Did you name him after Alex the Chimp in TERROR?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

one on Ricky Gervais' brilliant "Extras"...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

one on Ricky Gervais' brilliant "Extras"...

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> I'm 43 in a few weeks time and the last time I visited the docs was when
> I was 16 ...

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How quiet is it?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@ ...> wrote:
>
> Graham that sounds absolutely miserable. Hang in there. Have you seen the
> doctor?
>
> Jessica.
>
I probably should...but I originally come from a northern, working class bit of England where we sort of don't do doctors... we're a hardy bunch !!!  (Ask Neil he used live not many miles away from where I was brought up )

I'm 43 in a few weeks time and the last time I visited the docs was when I was 16 ...

I'm quite proud of that !! but most of my friends seem to think this is a bit odd ...oh well...

Best,Graham.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hill
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How quiet is it?

 ...falling apart I say !!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Three photos I had never encountered before--but maybe you have already.

These photos are for sale, if anybody's interested.  It's probably too rich for my coffers.  If I have to ask, then I definitely can't afford.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:24 AM
To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] This is what I've been up to...just General Ursus Mego figure.

Still have some tweaking but he's coming along.  Hope to complete by this weekend and take portraits.  Everything pictured that is not plastic (Mego ape and horse) was made by me. 

 

Still to make:  rifle holster, bridle, gun.  I have to smooth out the hat and then paint it along with the hieroglyphs.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Three photos I had never encountered before--but maybe you have already.

WOW!

So how much would the set cost I wonder?

Wouldn’t these make an awesome trading card set?

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Audio Drama

Ah man – you spoiled it!  ;)

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On Jan 10, 2008 2:34 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- I hadn't thought about that but you're right they would. It's about time we had a new card set isn't it? What with this year being the 40th and all.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Three photos I had never encountered before--but maybe you have already.

WOW!

So how much would the set cost I wonder?

Wouldn't these make an awesome trading card set?

.

On Jan 10, 2008 2:53 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Hey!  There goes Julius' broom!  I have never seen a still photo of that one or at least never noticed it before.  I had seen this specific photo in a book called Planet of the Apes Revisited, but I never noticed the broom before.  Cool!

 

It's one of my favorite photos from the lot.  I also like the one where Zira looks like she's primping her make-up artist.

 

Jessica.

On Jan 10, 2008 2:34 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- I hadn't thought about that but you're right they would. It's about time we had a new card set isn't it? What with this year being the 40th and all.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Three photos I had never encountered before--but maybe you have already.

WOW!

So how much would the set cost I wonder?

Wouldn't these make an awesome trading card set?

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Yeah I know that feeling. Bloody old age, it's a bugger!
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Graham Hill
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How quiet is it?
>
>
>
>
> ...falling apart I say !!
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=47118/stime=1199992840/nc1=5008814/nc2=3858794/nc3=3848621>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

Never seen it Neil!

When’s it on here?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: How quiet is it?

You’re as old a Neil!   J

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Hunter Goatley
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2008 8:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: How quiet is it?

> I'm 43 in a few weeks time and the last time I visited the docs was when
> I was 16 ...

Yeah, that was me until I wised up and went a couple of years ago
(I'll be 44 this year). Too-high blood pressure and too-high
cholesterol. You really need to start seeing a doctor at least
annually....

.

-- It isn't at the moment but it was recently on UK TV.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

Never seen it Neil!

When’s it on here?

.

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On Jan 11, 2008 5:30 AM, Tim apefan <apefan23@...> wrote:

both seasons are on DVD here.....they did a seperate longer finale though

Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- It isn't at the moment but it was recently on UK TV.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

Never seen it Neil!

When's it on here?

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

What show are you talking about??

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] How quiet is it?

Sounds good.

Is that the one that featured David Bowie one night?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Battle for the Planet of the Apes

I think Heston should have been re-cast – but preferably just written out of the script.

It was foolish to make it “all about Heston” when all he wanted to do was end it.

When did Heston get his butt kicked?

.

> Hey does anyone know where the MR. Comics web site
> (http://www.mrcomics.ca/) has gone!?! Does this mean there will be NO
> trade paperback?

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] RE: Battle for the Planet of the Apes

Well, then I'll just quit this group, mate, because pointless is the
very definition of the DG group! Why bother indeed!

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] RE: Battle for the Planet of the Apes

pointless is the
very definition of the DG group! Why bother indeed!

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Eeww...Don't know if this is a hoax or not. Can anybody verify?

By Chris Stephen and Allan Hall

The Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes,

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On Jan 11, 2008 5:03 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

-- I believe it is true. An article about it was posted on this 'pointless' group quite a while ago. If you feel like going through the archived posts you may be lucky and find the discussion we had about it back then. Unfortunately I can't remember exactly when so you could be searching for quite a while!

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Eeww...Don't know if this is a hoax or not. Can anybody verify?

By Chris Stephen and Allan Hall

The Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes,

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] T Shirt

> Never seen this design before but I like it!
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
> <http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300189539459&ssPa
> geName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123>
> &item=300189539459&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123
>
> Neil
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Never seen this design before but I like it!
>
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
> <http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=300189539459&ssPa
> geName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123>
> &item=300189539459&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123
>
> Neil
>

>
> Hey does anyone know where the MR. Comics web site
> (http://www.mrcomics.ca/) has gone!?! Does this mean there will be NO
> trade paperback?
>
> Neil
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey does anyone know where the MR. Comics web site
> > (http://www.mrcomics.ca/) has gone!?! Does this mean there will be NO
> > trade paperback?
>
> Ty posted on the other group saying that even he didn't know about
> their site disappearing....
>
> Hunter
>

No sign in any of the recent Previews catalogues but there was a listing for full sets, bagged together at a discount price, the interesting thing with this was it wasn't listed under MR Comics but the name the company seemed to use before any comics came out ....Metal Rose I think ,or some such (At home at the minute so can't check)

I assume Mr Comics as a company have stopped trading...could be wrong but looks that way.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> That's what is so very frustrating about these groups- we really have
> reached the point where most of us have discussed things to death.
>
>
>
> That's why Neil and I want to get a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page
> together for Hunter's web-site where we look at the really big threads and
> summarize points. Then when the questions/topics arise we could refer
> people to these and see if they still have anything to add.
>
>
>
> But then that can also take some of the human interaction out of it. Not
> sure if that's a good or a bad thing. :-)
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
I was going to post on this last night but I slept on it instead. (It's Sunday, here, in the UK now)

So due to the fact that I really should be doing some work which I don't want to be doing, I thought I do do one of my yearly/6 monthly pondering on things in connection with your post ,Michael, but also some others from the last day or so.

I might work towards a point,some where, but I'm sure I'll just ramble ...still bear with me.

I've never worried too much about the fact that topics pop up quite often.

Usually it's a new person "talking" so ,by it's very nature ,that brings a new perspective to the subject. If I don't find the topic interesting (Because we've discussed it before) then it's no big deal.

The idea for a FAQ is a good one ,if it stimulates the chat, the final line of Michaels post  is what got me thinking about this stuff, the bit about taking  "... Some of the human interaction out of it."  because I do think it has the potential to do this ,which I don't think would be a good thing.

Why people on forums get their knickers in a twist about things ,like topics coming up again ,  is beyond me.

(just to make it clear I'm not saying anyone here has done this but it's a frequent pattern on other forums I visit, most of which I don't post on because of stuff like this)

I might be part of the group but it's not "mine" any more than it's anyone elses who aren't the owners. (Michael +Neil, though I'm not sure Neil still is one or not.)

Therefore it shouldn't just reflect my points of view.

I've always seen the group... as well, a chat down the pub with mates...the conversation will probably wander all over the place ...repeat  itself...whatever, but the subjects are really just a pretext to hang out with friends.

I do think one of the reason there's less posting going on at the moment is because last year there was a lot of pissing and moaning about "off topic posts" at the time I thought the inevitable conclusion to this would be people would post less ,I know I did.

If topics have been done to death and people feel restriced in what they can say then ... we get to the point where posts do end up as a trickle.

Michael started a topic on the "new "Dr Who in the context that they've managed to bring back a 30 odd year old show with some success and could this be done with POTA , the topic was shouted down as "off topic..."

Now I also think the group is  going through a fallow period as a part of a natural cycle, just looking at the achive shows how active it's been for a number of years...we're all getting on in years...we need the rest

The DG's not pointless... (well to put a philosophical hat on for a moment,in the greater scheme of things we're all ,as a species, pissing into the wind... 90 % of human behaviour can be seen as "pointless" so no, the DG isn't pointless or no more so than any other group or human activity that goes beyond basic survival for that matter.)

I can see it now , "Fitzgerald put that pen down... Rembrandt drop the brush... it's all just "pointless"...hmm...

I've said before on a good day the DG might make me smile...this might be a small thing but as I get older I find I've come round to thinking, it's the small things that might just matter the most.

If the DG gives each of us a smile... a moments escape and distraction...some pleasure and may be a tiny, tiny bit of enlightenment then ...it's more than worth  while.

Best wishes, Graham.

PS  Just what is it with those brains in jars !!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

And Patrick - what the?!?!?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey, alla you monkeys, sorry I've been away so long.

Even though I really really dislike the whole Christmas season, I hope that those of you who dig it had a good one. For that matter, those of you who don't dig it, I hope you also had a good holiday season -- be it Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, whathaveyou. For me, it was mostly the Airing of the Grievances... Oy!

And am I glad it's over. Until next year, when they'll ratchet up the Xmas Machine even earlier , gobbling up not only 12 days in December... but all of November... October... hell, they'll probably stretch it all the way back into September! If there's a "War on Christmas" maybe it's because the Christmas fanatics have been annexing so much of the calendar year for their oh, so very special holiday. Christmas declared war and has been waging it for too goddamned long without anybody pushing it back into the calendrical niche where it belongs! I'll give 'em December 24th (i.e. the "Eve") and the 25th (i.e. the "Day")... hell, I'll even tolerate that "Twelve Days of Christmas" just like in that anti-Protestant ultra-Catholic carol/song. That's 12 friggin' days... one-thirtieth of the whole damn year. Isn't that smeggin' enough??? Phuq! There was Christmas crap in the mall before Halloween! A radio station here in Fargo started playing all Christmas music all the time on November 1st... replacing (for 2 months!) the Oldies station that plays almost all the listenable music that there is on the damned radio! Those bastards!

Well... it's over. For now. For another, oh... 8 or 9 months, if we're lucky.

Now that that's outta the way, let me set up a topic for POTA discussion.

1. Zira attempts to take custody of Brent and Nova, who had been captured the day earlier, after their visit with her and Cornelius.

2. Ursus intercedes, insisting that the two humans are "marked for Target Practice"... and a gorilla soldier none-too-gently leads the two unfortunate humans out to the courtyard, tugging on their leashes.

3. The gorilla puts Brent and Nova into one of those cage-wagons and locks the lock.

4. Zira, who has followed them out, says: "I'll take the key!"... and the gorilla gives it to her.

WHY??? Won't he need it when he gets to the Target Range??? How the hell else is he supposed to unlock the damned lock?

Answer: Perhaps all these cage-wagons have identical locks, and a single style of key opens all of them. That would be a good idea, just in case one gorilla accidentally lost his key to a cage-wagon lock: when he arrived somewhere where another key-toting gorilla may be, that other gorilla could use his key to open the cage. That kinda makes sense.

To continue...

5. Zira, once the gorilla driver is about to head out for the Target Range, yells: "Wait! Wait! I'd better 'double-lock' the door!" ... and she unlocks it, whispering "Good luck!" to Brent.

6. Somewhere on the road from Ape City to the Target Range, Brent gets out of the cage... climbs up on top of the cage... and assaults the gorilla from behind and above. The gorilla isn't a pushover, though, and they duke it out for a bit... the gorilla eventually holding Brent by his arm and grinding his foot on Brent's shoulder...

7. ... and then the branch of a tree knocks that gorilla off the top of the wagon cage, flat on his back on the side of the road. Which is good for Brent.

Question: What happens to Zira when they deduce that she must have aided the humans by unlocking the cage door?

Think about it. If the gorilla dies, then eventually some other gorilla (probably) will happen along that road and will discover his corpse. And, depending on which direction this other gorilla is traveling, he either found the horseless cage-wagon first and then found the gorilla driver dead... or he found the dead gorilla and then found the horseless cage-wagon a bit further down the road. With the two humans gone -- having unhitched the horses from the wagon -- it will be obvious that they must have somehow gotten that lock unlocked. I'm assuming here that the gorillas aren't so stupid that they can't tell the difference between a working lock and a forced (i.e. damaged) lock.

If the gorilla driver does not die... and if he later comes to... then he will tell whoever finds him -- and word will eventually reach the higher-ups in the military chain-of-command -- that the male human suddenly attacked him while he was driving the wagon. This despite the fact that the wagon's cage-lock had been locked firstly by a gorilla and then secondly "double-locked" by Zira!

Zira's only prayer to avoid a charge of "Aiding and Abetting the escape of a Human"... or of Treason -- perhaps even "Accessory to Murder" -- is if that gorilla is killed by Brent and if her unlocking of that cage's lock is never traced to her.

In my POTA project, I'm working in a whole subplot regarding a gorilla police officer who uses his deductive faculties to trace the attempted murder of that gorilla driver to Dr. Zira. When he finds out that the gorilla who first locked the cage subsequently gave the key to Zira (who had said, "I'll take the key!" remember), he'll figure out that Zira had been trying to help those two humans. Humans who were not merely brute animals, since they obviously knew how to unhitch the horses from the wagon.

He'll deduce that those two humans (or, one of 'em, at any rate) must be unlike the majority of the pathetic brutes who've been hunted and captured. Indeed, they must be humans like that Talking Human who had caused such a ruckus recently.

Perhaps that's why those gorillas who were searching for Brent and Nova near the Queensboro Plaza cave entrance were still doing so. "Why can't we go back to our outfits?" ... "Because the Sarge says to keep looking until we find 'em..."

Because the Sarge (and his commanding officers) know that the humans who escaped from that wagon are like Taylor. Perhaps (they might wonder) those two humans might be  scouts from the inhabited Forbidden Zone -- intelligent humans posing as the animal-types whom the gorillas hunt.

It's lucky for Zira that she leaves Ape City with Cornelius and Milo when she does... because there's a warrant out for her arrest for either the murder or the attempted murder of that gorilla wagon-driver (depending on whether or not I decide to have that gorilla wind up dying from that collision with the branch and the hard fall to the ground.

I know we've talked up virtually everything in POTAdom that there is to talk about... but I don't recall any discussion about this element of the story. Well, you've heard my take on this... so, you monkeys, DISCUSS!!!

Patrick