Did anyone in the US see this new show?

Michael

Looks like it doesn't show till Monday.

Or is that the second episode?

I read this srticle this morning that suggests the first episode may
appeal to POTA fans....

Ironic and supersonic
The Middleman saves the world from comic-book bad guys
Dean Robbins on Friday 06/13/2008 , (2) Recommendations

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The Middleman (Monday, 7 p.m., ABC Family) is the most delightful
pop-culture product since Juno. Heroine Wendy Watson (Natalie
Morales) is Juno's equal as a deadpan hipster smart aleck. But she
has one talent Juno doesn't: a knack for saving the world from
machine-gun-toting apes.

The Middleman is set in a satirical sci-fi universe full of comic-
book bad guys. Wendy is living a marginal life as an artist/temp when
an ugly creature breaks out of a laboratory and grabs her with its
tentacles. She calmly stabs it with a letter opener, and her
sangfroid captures the attention of the Middleman (Matt Keeslar).
He's a wholesome hero type whose job is not only to save the world,
but also to prevent the world from learning that supernatural
phenomena exist. He convinces Wendy to be his sidekick over the
objections of his cranky robot assistant.

Wendy and the Middleman are an instant odd-couple classic. Where
she's wised-up and sarcastic, he's a square-jawed square in the Clark
Kent mode. He says things like "dog diggity" and "dag-nabit," often
while chugging a glass of milk. Creator Javier Grillo-Marxuach, who
adapted the series from his graphic novels, has a ball spoofing spy
movies, superhero comics, Planet of the Apes, The Godfather, Andy
Warhol, The Avengers and animal-rights groups â€" and that's just in
the first episode.

Is there any way I'm going to miss episode 2? Not a gosh-darn chance
in heck.

http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/article.php?article=22929

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Did anyone in the US see this new show?

See it? I've never even heard of it...


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OK catch my next email! :)

---- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/15/2008 5:42:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Did anyone in the US see this new show?
>
> See it? I've never even heard of it...<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Vote for your city's best
> dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.<BR>
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June 18-20 2008

http://www.experiencecolumbus.com/event-detail.cfm?id=16763

http://www.capa.com/columbus/events/event.php?e=548

When I ived in BEAVERCREEK OHIO we used to go to Columbus quite a bit...and Cincinnatti...


---- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> June 18-20 2008
>
> http://www.experiencecolumbus.com/event-detail.cfm?id=16763
>
>
>

.html In a message dated 6/15/2008 5:47:14 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I read this article this morning that suggests the first episode may
appeal to POTA fans....

*** Well, I set the auto-tune to turn to ABC Family at the time it's supposed to start, so if I'm home, I "might" give it a look... ***


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In a message dated 6/15/2008 6:55:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Did anyone in the US see this new show?

 

I set the DVR to catch it.

I'll give it a go.

 

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As you noted in your follow-up e-mail, the show doesn't air in the
U.S. until tonight. However, the first episode has been been available
as a free download from iTunes for about a week or so. I'm not sure
how long it will remain free, so if anyone's interested (particularly
if you don't get ABC Family) you might want to download it soon.

I'd already set my TiVo to record the show, as it looked interesting
in the promos. I watched the show this morning on the train and
enjoyed it. I thought the creature make-up/effects were well done and
I thought the dialoge was pretty sharp, especially in the scenes
between the two main characters. I'll probably watch it again tonight
when it airs. It's a fun show, and if you're into comics, video games,
etc. you'll probably enjoy it.

Greg P.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...>
wrote:

>
> Did anyone in the US see this new show?
>
> Michael
>

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Not really a send-up. More of an homage. Hold on a sec and I'll
insert some

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The plot involves intelligent gorillas who can speak. At one point
the female lead quotes a famous line from the film. The character
uses lots of pop-culture references prior to this, so it's not like
it's a non-sequitur or out of character.

Greg P.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Cool - thanks Greg!
>
>
>
> Was there a POTA send-up?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> gp3085
> Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 11:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Middleman
>
>
>
> As you noted in your follow-up e-mail, the show doesn't air in the
> U.S. until tonight. However, the first episode has been been

available

> as a free download from iTunes for about a week or so. I'm not

sure

> how long it will remain free, so if anyone's interested

(particularly

> if you don't get ABC Family) you might want to download it soon.
>
> I'd already set my TiVo to record the show, as it looked

interesting

> in the promos. I watched the show this morning on the train and
> enjoyed it. I thought the creature make-up/effects were well done

and

> I thought the dialoge was pretty sharp, especially in the scenes
> between the two main characters. I'll probably watch it again

tonight

> when it airs. It's a fun show, and if you're into comics, video

games,

> etc. you'll probably enjoy it.
>
> Greg P.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

com, "Michael

> Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone in the US see this new show?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>

Make-up legend Stan Winston has died.

-----Original Message-----
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:56 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Loss of Stan Winston

-----Original Message-----
From: gp3085 <urko3085@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 2:15 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Middleman

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I was watching the pilot for Mission Impossible and

the makeup artists were Dan Striepeke and John Chambers,

and it was a Desilu Production.  It's amazing how the same

people worked all over those projects from Lost in Space

to Star Trek.

 

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No, but I watched the opening for The Middle Man.

I'll check it out.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 5:36 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Space Chimps

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In a message dated 6/18/2008 3:10:16 AM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

And?


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 2:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Space Chimps


When I saw the clip on the Sci-fi channel. I went to the Space Chimp website and played the film clip.













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Hunter

.html Somebody sent this to me today, and it was so wonderful.  It brought tears of joy to my eyes. If you really love animals, I think you will love this short video.

http://www.cyberthi ng.net/video- play.php? id=105

Melinda <.html

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Alright. I totally bought into it. That was great.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Melinda G Kettler <mgkettler@...> wrote:
>
>
> Somebody sent this to me today, and it was so wonderful. It brought
tears of joy to my eyes. If you really love animals, I think you will
love this short video.
>
> http://www.cyberthing.net/video-play.php?id=105
>
> Melinda
>

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I am sure there are fans of Edgar Rice Burroghs (ERB) out their in POTA fandom. If you recall, the "Great Apes", also know as the "Mangani", who raised the infant Tarzan were very intelligent creatures. While the Mangani did not build cities or even make use of pimative tools, they did have a language. This language was not as articulate as human languages, but the grunts and growls did convey meaning for specific verbs and nouns.

 

While it is believed that the species died out by the mid-20th century Could the Mangani (or most probably their genetic remains) have been used years later by Ape Management (or their predecessors) to enrich the genetic pool of the enslaved apes?

 

Remember, in Tarzan lore, the brutish inhabitants of the lost city of Opar were hybrids of ancient Atlanteans and the Mangani -- so they could sucessfully mate with humans. The Oparians could speak, but looked more like cavemen than gorillas.

 

Food for thought....

 

Bill

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Bill,

Food for thought indeed.

The universes of Tarzan and POTA do seem ripe for some form of
speculative crossing-over and you're not the first person to suggest
it. (I'm referring to the literary Tarzan, not the cinematic one).

'Urchak's Folly' from Adventure comics is full of Burroughs (and Verne
and Wells) references, a fact acknowledged by the Author.

"Tarzan and the Lion man" featured a mad scientist who had created a
city of English speaking gorillas - was this scientist the founder of
what would ultimately become Ape Management?

In 'Tarzan Alive' Philip Jose Farmer suggested that the 'Mangani' (the
creatures' that raised Tarzan) because they used a true language -
were more accurately a species of sub-human (now extinct) and not apes
at all.

Although it's cool to discuss these things I wouldn't care to see a
project where Tarzan came face-to-face with the Lawgiver. Then again,
as cross-overs go I'm sure that would have been more interesting than
Ape Nation.

Ka-goda
Dave

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@... wrote:
>
> I am sure there are fans of Edgar Rice Burroghs (ERB) out their in
POTA
> fandom. If you recall, the "Great Apes", also know as the "Mangani",
who raised
> the infant Tarzan were very intelligent creatures. While the
Mangani did not
> build cities or even make use of pimative tools, they did have a
language.
> This language was not as articulate as human languages, but the
grunts and
> growls did convey meaning for specific verbs and nouns.
>
> While it is believed that the species died out by the mid-20th
century Could
> the Mangani (or most probably their genetic remains) have been used
years
> later by Ape Management (or their predecessors) to enrich the
genetic pool of
> the enslaved apes?
>
> Remember, in Tarzan lore, the brutish inhabitants of the lost city
of Opar
> were hybrids of ancient Atlanteans and the Mangani -- so they could
> sucessfully mate with humans. The Oparians could speak, but looked
more like cavemen
> than gorillas.
>
> Food for thought....
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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comics_fans.htmlbr>
Cromartie High School: While you might see a lot of review of this
(or its accompanying anime series) describing it as “hilariously
surreal” or “off the wall” this is only half of the story. The true
appeal of Cromartie comes through the genius-level comedic timing of
Eiji Nonaka’s writing, and the astonishing depth of insight into
life’s small moments of ludicrousness, explored through the
characters at each turn. There are plenty of moments you’ll be
reading Cromartie High and instantly recognise, like waiting until
the last possible moment to ring the bell on a bus, turning it into a
game of chicken, or the happiness experienced in finding money that
you had forgotten you had, and how you might force that situation to
occur. Nonaka brings these moments to life masterfully, bringing
their inherent humour to the surface. Appearances from gorillas,
robots and Freddie Mercury just give it that extra touch of absurdity
to make it truly stand out. The best reason western comics readers
might enjoy it is simply because there’s very little like it
available in the western format. Humour comics aren’t in fashion at
the moment, and certainly not with this ability to build up running
jokes over this long a time period â€" the full run will eventually
pass 15 volumes, and while they’re not all perfect (the one that was
mostly based on a Planet of the Apes parody stands as a particularly
weak moment) it’s still worth reading just for its individuality.

Some dumbass made this sign in Ohio....

http://www.wytv.com/news/local/20722109.html"

plus they can't spell Obama or Oprah! dumbass.....

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Apes racist sign
> To: "POTA DG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>, "Kassidy Rae" < valwp@...>
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:49 PM
> Some dumbass made this sign in Ohio....
>
> http://www.wytv.com/news/local/20722109.html"

Just found this on imdb.....

Bergman Regretted Turning Down 'Planet of the Apes'

27 April 2004 | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news

Revered actress Ingrid Bergman's greatest regret during her illustrious career was turning down the opportunity to appear in Planet Of The Apes. The Casablanca star was offered a part in the 1968 movie opposite Charlton Heston and, according to her actress daughter Isabella Rossellini, was keen to appear so she could "disregard her regal bearing". Rossellini tells London's Time Out newspaper, "She badly regretted turning down a part in the Planet Of The Apes franchise. I remember going to see one of those monkey movies with her and she was astounded at how well it had turned out. I know she was tired of playing roles which wouldn't allow her to discard her regal bearing. I think she realized that all those putty muzzles the ape actors would have liberated her from her image in an instant. But she hesitated, the part went to someone else, and she and Charlton Heston never again came as close to working together."

Tim - poor little Aussie me does not understand....?!?!?

---- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> Some dumbass made this sign in Ohio....
>
> http://www.wytv.com/news/local/20722109.html"
>
>
>

.html In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:46:28 PM Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Tim - poor little Aussie me does not understand....?!?!?

*** The idiot that made that sign is equating the power of Oprah Winfrey in the media and the potential of Obama to be in the White House to CONQUEST... I hope that is clear enough, because that kinda shit the sign maker spouted is pretty damn sick if you ask me... ***

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Tim apefan <apefan23@...> wrote:

Just found this on imdb.....

Bergman Regretted Turning Down 'Planet of the Apes'

27 April 2004 | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news

Revered actress Ingrid Bergman's greatest regret during her illustrious career was turning down the opportunity to appear in Planet Of The Apes. The Casablanca star was offered a part in the 1968 movie opposite Charlton Heston and, according to her actress daughter Isabella Rossellini, was keen to appear so she could "disregard her regal bearing". Rossellini tells London's Time Out newspaper, "She badly regretted turning down a part in the Planet Of The Apes franchise. I remember going to see one of those monkey movies with her and she was astounded at how well it had turned out. I know she was tired of playing roles which wouldn't allow her to discard her regal bearing. I think she realized that all those putty muzzles the ape actors would have liberated her from her image in an instant. But she hesitated, the part went to someone else, and she and Charlton Heston never again came as close to working together."

Me too now I understand it...we don't really keep up with US politics here...

Michael

---- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:46:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
>
> >
>
> *** The idiot that made that sign is equating the power of Oprah Winfrey in
> the media and the potential of Obama to be in the White House to CONQUEST... I
> hope that is clear enough, because that kinda shit the sign maker spouted is
> pretty damn sick if you ask me... ***<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Gas prices getting you down?
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But the good news is that this lamebrain is not really an Apes fan as they wrote Conquest "FOR" the Planet of the Apes.

I would hate to think that this drivel was written by an Apes fan.

(But I guess I have to give them credit for realizing their mistake in "Obama" and trying to correct it.)

Dario

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>

Date: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:09 pm

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Apes racist sign

> plus they can't spell Obama or Oprah! dumbass.....
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Apes racist sign
> > To: "POTA DG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>, "Kassidy Rae"
> <valwp@...>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:49 PM
> > Some dumbass made this sign in Ohio....
> >
> > http://www.wytv.com/news/local/20722109.html
>
>
>
>
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http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=8544721

EL PASO, Texas - Downtown El Paso's historic Plaza Theatre has come
full circle. Feature films will once again be shown in the theater's
main auditorium as part of the El Paso Community Foundation's The
Movies Return film festival. Decay forced the Plaza to stop showing
features in 1974. The theater re-opened in 2006.

"The Plaza Theatre, first and foremost, was a movie palace when it
started out," said Eric Pearson of the El Paso Community
Foundation. "So when we started to restore it, everyone kept
asking, 'when are you gonna bring back the movies?'"

Pearson added the community foundation invested in movie equipment
for the Plaza, including the massive screen. The foundation's long-
term goal is to expand the festival to rival the annual Sundance film
festival, in Park City, Utah.

El Paso County commissioners approved $25,000 for the festival's
promotion regionally and around the country. The funds come from the
county's hotel occupancy tax. While Pearce didn't provide an exact
price for admission to the festival, he did say each film would be
priced lower than today's average movie.

The line-up for this year's festival will feature 59 of Hollywood's
most celebrated films, including: The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, The
Exorcist, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Singin' in the Rain, King Kong,
Planet of the Apes, From Here to Eternity and Rebel Without a Cause.

What: The Movies Return Film Festival

Where: The Plaza Theatre, Downtown El Paso

When: August 15-24

Price: TBA

Brian sent this to Helen who forwarded it to me. Just passing it on....

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dumont [afryt4u@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 AM
To: Helen Gordon
Subject: looking for images of an old APES thingy

Hey Helen,

You are active on all of the APES chat groups aren't you?

I'm looking to track down images of an old plastercraft statuette of
ZIRA from the 1970's. It was one of those Big head, big eyed
cartooney things. The manufacturer misspelled ZIRA as ZERA on it.
Can you see if anyone in any of the groups has one or fotos of one?

Thanx.

Hope all is well,

Brian

PS: Big stuff happening at the end of the year for apes 40th!!!

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Here it is,....saw it on ebay years ago and always wondered about them...they're kinda freaky! Maybe they were prototypes for bobble heads...

Tim

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, sallywhitty@... < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> From: sallywhitty@... <sallywhitty@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] looking for images of an old APES thingy
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:08 AM
> Brian sent this to Helen who forwarded it to me. Just
> passing it on....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dumont [afryt4u@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 AM
> To: Helen Gordon
> Subject: looking for images of an old APES thingy
>
> Hey Helen,
>
> You are active on all of the APES chat groups aren't
> you?
>
> I'm looking to track down images of an old plastercraft
> statuette of
> ZIRA from the 1970's. It was one of those Big head,
> big eyed
> cartooney things. The manufacturer misspelled ZIRA as
> ZERA on it.
> Can you see if anyone in any of the groups has one or fotos
> of one?
>
> Thanx.
>
> Hope all is well,
>
> Brian
>
> PS: Big stuff happening at the end of the year for apes
> 40th!!!

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In a message dated 6/24/2008 5:40:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

EL PASO, Texas - Downtown El Paso's historic Plaza Theatre

 

Only about 570 miles away.

About a 10 hour drive .

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Wendy

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: TZer0@...
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:51:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anywhere near you LordT?

In a message dated 6/24/2008 5:40:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

EL PASO, Texas - Downtown El Paso's historic Plaza Theatre

 

Only about 570 miles away.

About a 10 hour drive .

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From: Willowape@...
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:07:57 +0000
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Anywhere near you LordT?

I'm a little closer. A lot of movies of being made here. Just recently they were filming terminator 4. Spoke to one of the one guys in the firlm. Also i just finished working as extra a  on a firlm "Observe and Report". Met a guy who was one of the human's in POTA 2001. He said he was suppose to he an ape but the paper work got all messed up. He said he went through ape school as did all the people that played human. Go figure.
 
Wendy

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
From: TZer0@...
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:51:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anywhere near you LordT?

In a message dated 6/24/2008 5:40:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

EL PASO, Texas - Downtown El Paso's historic Plaza Theatre

 

Only about 570 miles away.

About a 10 hour drive .

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It looks like this is why I couldn't find POTA at Planet Hollywood in Vegas! They moved to NYC in Times Square!

http://soulfullyblonde.blogspot.com/2008/06/soul-patrol-invades-broadway.html"

Tim

You could be right...I saw that pic on ebay.....
The Sausville book has them listed as "Plaster Cornelius Statue" and "Plaster Zera Statue" from Tuscany Studio from 1973.

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Tuscanny Statues
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 3:39 AM
> Hi Tim
>
>
>
> Not sure, but I think the photo you supplied is of repros
> based on moulds
> from the originals.
>
>
>
> I think the originals are brighter colours and I also think
> they could have
> sven come unpainted!
>
>
>
> They are referred to as the "Tuscanny"
> statues.dunno why..
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2008 2:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] looking for images of an old APES
> thingy
>
>
>
> Here it is,....saw it on ebay years ago and always wondered
> about
> them...they're kinda freaky! Maybe they were prototypes
> for bobble heads...
>
> Tim
>
> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, sallywhitty@
> <mailto:sallywhitty%40bigpond.com>
> bigpond.com <sallywhitty@
> <mailto:sallywhitty%40bigpond.com> bigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: sallywhitty@
> <mailto:sallywhitty%40bigpond.com> bigpond.com
> <sallywhitty@ <mailto:sallywhitty%40bigpond.com>
> bigpond.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] looking for images of an old APES
> thingy
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:08 AM
> > Brian sent this to Helen who forwarded it to me. Just
> > passing it on....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Dumont [afryt4u@earthlink.
> <mailto:afryt4u%40earthlink.net>
> net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:28 AM
> > To: Helen Gordon
> > Subject: looking for images of an old APES thingy
> >
> > Hey Helen,
> >
> > You are active on all of the APES chat groups
> aren't
> > you?
> >
> > I'm looking to track down images of an old
> plastercraft
> > statuette of
> > ZIRA from the 1970's. It was one of those Big
> head,
> > big eyed
> > cartooney things. The manufacturer misspelled ZIRA as
> > ZERA on it.
> > Can you see if anyone in any of the groups has one or
> fotos
> > of one?
> >
> > Thanx.
> >
> > Hope all is well,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > PS: Big stuff happening at the end of the year for
> apes
> > 40th!!!

All the blogs keep comparing the season finale of Battlestar Galactica to POTA. I don't watch the show but here is the last scene on You Tube. Don't watch if you watch the show and haven't seen it.....!

SPOILER ALERT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6Leg7MGQE

Tim

Attachments :

La Habra, California: Minnie is a capuchin monkey, a species especially well suited to be monkey helpers. They are natural tool users and are endlessly curious. Today there are only 104 monkey helpers nationwide—at a training cost of $30,000 each—available for the 11 million disabled Americans who need assistance with daily living. Minnie is the first monkey helper to be placed in California

Craig Cook broke his neck in a car accident 11 years ago and was left a paraplegic. Getting through the day was difficult until three years ago, when the Boston-based organization Monkey Helpers for the Disabled introduced him to Minnie, a companion and helper monkey who responds to voice commands, bringing Cook whatever he needs.

Minnie helps Cook finish lunch. Besides helping with food preparation, Minnie has a 30-word command vocabulary, and can turn on the computer and load CDs. Her favorite command: give me a high-five. "Isn't it cool?" says Cook proudly. As a way of saying thanks, Cook has become a spokesman for the Helping Hands foundation.

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Whoops! I'm about a month late in replying to the comments below, as
I had some family-related issues to focus on and fell very behind in
my e-mail responses.

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
>*** And that is why you go the route of some of the fan websights and place a
>disclaimer in there saying something like: "PLANET OF THE APES is property of
>20th Century Fox. This book is for entertainment only. No rights are given or
>implied.

Yep! It's in there. :)

>I don't know if you could get by with that, but maybe you could...

We're hoping we can. If not...well....I have a nice-sized basement
to hide in when Fox comes looking for me.

>Since you are in collaboration with Ed, maybe he could get you access to Joe
>Russo's collection of rare stills, many of which I'm sure are actually NOT
>copyrighted by FOX.

That's not a bad idea. Thanks for the suggestion--I'll run it past
Ed. I hadn't even thought about using non-Fox-owned stills.

>Yeah, they are APES pictures, but since they're not specifically
>owned by FOX, maybe you could get around it that way... ****

A great idea, thank you.

>Posted by: "nlmoxham" neilmoxham@... nlmoxham
>Hi Rich, I like your way of thinking on this subject.

Thanks. I do, too. LOL

>It's occured to me that science fiction fans, more than anyone
>else, are obsessed with the minute details, to the detriment of
>the actual story.

Absolutely. I put a lot of research into a project when I'm writing
something for a licensed universe, and if I get 99 things right,
inevitably that 100th item--Luke Skywalker's underwear size,
perhaps--then people start complaining about it. "Luke isn't a size
34! He's a size 32! He lost 7 and a half pounds while working on
the moisture vaporators, and he dropped one pants size as a
result! Handley's a hack!" Oy. But, then, that's half the fun of
doing such writing--trying to see if you can bypass that sort of
thing by getting everything right. It's not always possible, but at
least it keeps you on your toes as a writer, ya' know?

>For centuries here in Ireland the ancient legends were passed
>down the generations orally, with each storyteller adding their own
>embellishments. So the same basic story could have very different
>variations from place to place.

Exactly! That's how I view Robin Hood, and Star Wars--and Planet of
the Apes. If there are discrepancies between stories, it doesn't
mean you have to discard the stories themselves--just the accuracy of
the storyteller. I'm all about being inclusive, not exclusive. I
know that's not an opinion eveyone shares, and that's cool.

>Anyway, I wanted to say that I really enjoyed your site and I think
>it's great it's stepping over into the paper format, I look forward
>to getting a copy.

Thanks, man! I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Rich

At 12:02 PM 6/18/2008, you wrote:

>Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@... mike_oz2002
>I agree Rich. I managed to download this last night and it is pretty good!

The second one was even funnier. I haven't watched the third one
yet, but I'm hooked.

>But yes, if you are waiting on Sci-Fi.hmmm.Have you seen LIFE ON MARS?

Haven't seen it yet, but I hear good things about it.

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http://notesfromthejunkyard.blogspot.com/2008/07/planet-of-apes-sunday-observer-special.html"

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] any of you Aussies know about this????

http://notesfromthe junkyard. blogspot. com/2008/ 07/planet- of-apes-sunday- observer- special.html"

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Someone sent this to me. I'd never seen it. Pretty funny. Hope the link
works.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=32545219

On 7/5/08, John < DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

Someone sent this to me. I'd never seen it. Pretty funny. Hope the link
works.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=32545219

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In a message dated 7/5/2008 1:21:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

http://vids. myspace.com/ index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids. individual& videoid=32545219

Here's on I hadn't seen yet . . .

 

 

MySpaceTV Videos: Zaius of our Lives by The Mad-Dog Tannenz

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http://thenonist.com/index.php/annex/permalink/ape_resistance_tees/

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WonderFest USA Guests Page


PS: If anyone from this board is going to attend, please contact me privately. Thank you.


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.html In a message dated 7/7/2008 12:29:06 AM Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

Why are there Star Trek and Star Wars Wikis and not an Ape one?

They're prejudiced against a great film...


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At 12:17 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote:

>Posted by: "tzer0" TZer0@... LordTZer0
>Why are there Star Trek and Star Wars Wikis and not an Ape one?

There is an Apes Wikia page...it's just not very complete:
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

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COOL! It looks pretty good so far....It needs more!!!

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3449
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 12:27 PM
> At 12:17 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote:
> >Posted by: "tzer0" TZer0@... LordTZer0
> >Why are there Star Trek and Star Wars Wikis and not an
> Ape one?
>
> There is an Apes Wikia page...it's just not very
> complete:
> http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Oh, definitely--we do need something more along the lines of Memory
Alpha, which I consider the best genre-related Wiki out there, aside
from Wookieepedia.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, tzer0 <TZer0@...> wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking of something more like this . . .
>
> http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page
>

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In a message dated 7/7/2008 1:26:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

There is an Apes Wikia page...it's just not very
> complete:

 

Just looks like some half-assed Wikipedia entry.

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In a message dated 7/7/2008 7:46:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

aside
from Wookieepedia.

 

That's my point.

If someone would just sit and make the wikipedia entry more comprehensive

that would be a start.  Or even just put some links to Hunter's site & Fugitives.

And between the two Yahoo group there's a wealth of info in the messages and

databases.  Not to mention the files with loads of photos and clips.  I think one

of the reasons they're so big is that the fans are fanatical about this stuff.  They

even differentiate between what's canon and what is apocrypha.  Sound familiar?

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Well, I added a load of links from the Apes Comics page on Wikipedia
ages ago to Hunter's and Kass' sites, and possibly to the DG aswell.
I don't know if their still up.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2008 7:46:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> aside
> from Wookieepedia.
>
>
>
>
> That's my point.
> If someone would just sit and make the wikipedia entry more
comprehensive
> that would be a start. Or even just put some links to Hunter's
site &
> Fugitives.
> And between the two Yahoo group there's a wealth of info in the
messages and
> databases. Not to mention the files with loads of photos and
clips. I
> think one
> of the reasons they're so big is that the fans are fanatical about
this
> stuff. They
> even differentiate between what's canon and what is apocrypha.
Sound
> familiar?
>
>
>
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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Revisiting_The_Science_Behind_Planet_Of_The_Apes_999.html"

Revisiting The Science Behind Planet Of The Apes

Evolution is as much the luck of the draw as it is survival.
by Leslie Mullen
for Astrobiology Magazine
Moffett Field CA (SPX) Jul 08, 2008
In the 1968 movie, "Planet of the Apes," Charlton Heston plays the role of Taylor, an astronaut on an interstellar journey.
After traveling for over two thousand years at nearly the speed of light (during which the astronaut crew ages only 18 months due to time dilation), the spacecraft crash lands on a planet.

Unsure of where in the galaxy they are, they soon discover that on this strange new world, chimpanzees and other primates have evolved to become human-like both physically and in the development of their society. Human beings, mute beasts that are captured and contemptuously used for scientific experimentation, occupy a lower rung in this intelligence hierarchy.

Charley Lineweaver, a cosmologist with The Australian National University, says the "Planet of the Apes" story is based on a flawed notion of evolution. In this interview with Astrobiology Magazine's Leslie Mullen, he explains how there is no evidence to support the idea that organisms inevitably become smarter over time, and why that is important in our search for life elsewhere.

Astrobiology Magazine (AM): Could you describe your "Planet of the Apes" hypothesis?

Charley Lineweaver (CL): In the movie "Planet of the Apes," Charlton Heston and his team land on a planet that has oxygen comprising 20 percent of the atmosphere, and a 23 hour 56 minute sidereal period. This planet has corn, horses, and gorillas who use rifles and chimpanzees who use photographic equipment. It never occurs to them that this is, in fact, the Earth. Charlton Heston falls in love with a mute Homo sapien, and they ride away and discover the remnants of the Statue of Liberty. Only then do they realize this is planet Earth, there's no going home anymore. We really screwed it up by killing ourselves, because these bad other creatures have occupied our rightful place in the intelligence niche.

The "Planet of the Apes" hypothesis is that such a niche exists - that human beings developed a big brain because there was selection pressure to move into this evolutionary niche. Another way of saying it is that smart organisms are better off and more fit than stupider organisms in all kinds of environments, and therefore we should expect any type of critters anywhere in the universe to get smarter like we consider ourselves to be.

Carl Sagan called them "functionally equivalent humans." That's what the SETI program has been based on. There is a big polarization in science between physical scientists like Paul Davies and Carl Sagan and Frank Drake and Jill Tarter and Seth Shostak on the one hand, and biologists like Ernst Mayr and George Gaylord Simpson who say that life is so quirky that human beings would never evolve again. If a species goes extinct, it doesn't come back. There may be a niche that opens when a species goes extinct, but the same species or even anything similar to it does not re-evolve into that niche.

AM: SETI is based on the theory that science development will be the same wherever you go, because the physical laws of the universe are the same everywhere. So you'll always eventually have scientists, doctors, technology.

CL: Exactly, but they have zero data to support that. It's based on what they think might happen in the future and what might have occurred elsewhere in the universe. That's not good enough for me. Scientists have to be evidence-based. So let's test this idea.

One test is Harry Jerison's work on the encephalization quotient as a function of time, and whether that increases in lineages that are independent of the human lineage. (The encephalization quotient, or EQ, is the brain-to-body-mass ratio.)

Harry Jerison is what I call a brain worshipper. He wanted to find that everything strives to become like us, but it's just not true. Sometimes brains do get bigger. Sometimes brains get smaller. You would see this kind of diversification for any feature. A common ancestor will have one type of nose, and when the species diverge some noses get smaller, some stay the same, some get larger.

The Jerison plot is used by SETI to show that there's some type of selection pressure towards increasing brain size. But if you choose any outstanding characteristic of a species and put it on a plot, you will get a climbing trend.

People point to dolphins as evidence that organisms get smarter. Our common ancestor with the dolphin probably lived about 80 million years ago. We could agree that this common ancestor had a small brain, although we have very sparse fossils. From this ancestor, both humans and dolphins independently evolved big brains. Actually, this is not an example of convergence because humans and dolphins have 3.5 billion years of shared common ancestry. For 98 percent of our history, humans and dolphins were the same. The genes needed to develop those big brains had been fine-tuned over billions of years of evolution and were already in place.

AM: When you look at the tree of life, humans and other animals with heads make up just one small part of it, and there are all these other branches that never even developed heads.

CL: That's right. Forget about brains, let's just talk about heads! If heads are a good idea, wouldn't they have developed in other phyla of life independently? And the answer is no, they appeared in one place, and all the other organisms are getting along perfectly fine, thank you very much, without heads.

When you look at the tree of life, it's really a bush. All the things that are alive today are on the top, and down on the bottom we have a convergence because all life evolved from some LUCA, last universal common ancestor. If you look at all the species 600 million years ago, there'd be only one that had a head. We now see them everywhere, but only because this one species radiated.

Species are quirky, like languages. The DNA sequence of one particular species is very unique. It's not something deterministic, like planetary formation. We're in the realm of biology, not in the realm of physics.

If heads are as quirky as a species, then you can ask yourself, do we expect Indian elephants in outer space? Not African elephants, but Indian elephants. Now, if you do not expect to find an Indian elephant on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, then you can not expect anything else that is species specific out there.

It's important to realize that building radio telescopes is a species-specific feature. Yet we insist on maintaining that this is something intelligence does in general. We've all been brainwashed into believing that our intelligence is so wonderful that every other species would want it, including all the extraterrestrials out there.

AM: It just seems logical that species will grow more intelligent over time, because of "survival of the fittest." A simple organism responding to its environment and learning more about it will do better than those that don't. In that light, a general trend toward greater intelligence seems like it would be an inevitable outcome of evolution.

CL: Well, consider the ancestor of the elephant. It had a little nose, and its nose was a little bit more sensitive than its neighbor's nose, and with that sensitive nose it was able to do things that its neighbor couldn't, so that nose became more sensitive and more tactile, and it got longer and longer and it did more and more things with it, and then it looks back at its own history and it says, "You know what, noses get bigger. Evolving a bigger nose was so useful to me, wouldn't that be a universally useful trait?"

AM: I've read that the ancestors of elephants were marine animals, and the nose developed as an oxygen periscope. So the development of that feature was specific to the needs of that environment. The assumption about the development of intelligence is that it would be a useful trait in every environment.

CL: You'd think so, but if intelligence is good for every environment, we would see a trend in the encephalization quotient among all organisms as a function of time. The data does not show that. The evidence on Earth points to exactly the opposite conclusion. Earth had independent experiments in evolution thanks to continental drift. New Zealand, Madagascar, India, South America... half a dozen experiments over 10, 20, 50, even 100 million years of independent evolution did not produce anything that was more human-like than when it started. So it's a silly idea to think that species will evolve toward us.

AM: Were the times of isolation of these land masses similar to the time needed for human brain development?

CL: The time scale for the development of a brain that accounts for the difference between our EQ and that of orangutans, chimps and gorillas took about 2 to 3 million years. These land masses were isolated for periods of time that were 10 to 30 times longer.

If you only had 20 million years of isolation, you'd have 10 times the amount of time you would need to develop intelligence, if our time scale is approximately average. Some of these places were not independent for 20 million years, however, they were independent for 50, 60, 90 million years. South America, for example, was independent of the lineages that led to us for about 100 million years before it ran into North America. Madagascar is still an independent experiment, as are New Zealand and Australia.

AM: Do you think time is the most important factor for the development of intelligence? If intelligence is not a general trend in all environments, then perhaps certain environmental conditions are necessary. If so, then it may be that most environments were such that species didn't need to develop that degree of intelligence.

CL: You could make that argument. It's hard to make up stories about what produced what in biology. Stephen Jay Gould called them "Just So" stories. He was always championing the idea of contingency. If he were alive today, I think he would say that if we were to all go extinct tomorrow, the chances of us evolving again are zero. And the chances of us finding a life form like us in outer space that we can have sex with and reproduce with are zero.

I come back to the point that radio telescopes are only made by human beings. We have not stopped species in New Zealand or Australia or South America from making radio telescopes. They had a long time to do it. It didn't happen. Now, one argument that my students sometimes give is that everyone is trying to do it, but we're just the first.

The evidence against that is, if you're seeing any type of trend toward human-like intelligence, you have to stop them sometime before they start building those radio telescopes.

If you go to these other continents and ask zoologists, "What do you think is the smartest thing there? Is it trying to become human? Is it any closer today than it was 50 million years ago to building a radio telescope?" I think the answer would be no. If that's the answer, then there is no trend toward human-like intelligence, and this whole idea of intelligence being convergent is just an empty claim based on what we want to believe about ourselves.

AM: Do you see intelligence as a one-time accident of evolution?

CL: No, I think every species has its own type of intelligence. We have ours, elephants have theirs, dolphins have theirs. The type of intelligence they have is the type that has evolved in their quirky environment with all the genetic baggage that they have. To the extent that it's like ours is due to our shared ancestry. The idea that intelligence is a generic thing, and therefore others in outer space will have it too is just crazy, and it's wrong. There is no evidence for it on Earth, there's a lot of evidence against it, and as scientists I think we have to accept that.

AM: Yet you've said you support SETI, even though you think there's no chance of finding human-like intelligence elsewhere.

CL: The reason I support SETI is because I'm a scientist, and scientists look in places that haven't been looked in before. That is what SETI is doing. They're developing new instruments and new frequency ranges to look at astronomical objects in ways that have not been done before. That is the most powerful tool to discover something new in the universe.

I also support SETI because it inspires people. I think a lot of it is motivated for the wrong reasons, but so what? If people are motivated to find extraterrestrials, I think that's great. Give them a thousand dollars to build an instrument. The scientific exploration of the universe is a general goal that I think all scientists share. Also, I support SETI because maybe I'm wrong about this. People are wrong sometimes.

AM: There are some 100 billion stars just in our Milky Way galaxy and 10 billion trillion stars in the observable universe. There are probably planets associated with most of those stars. That would seem to increase the odds of finding another human-like intelligence out there.

CL: That's a tricky issue, because then you have to ask, what's the probability of a human being? What's the probability of you? Max Tegmark at MIT thinks he can calculate how far it is to the next you. The next Max Tegmark is living at 10 to the 10 to the 29th power meters away. It's mathematically complicated, so I probably shouldn't get into that. But consider a lottery.

This lottery doesn't have a thousand tickets or a million tickets, but an infinite number of tickets. Then pick a ticket. The probability of any one ticket being picked is zero, because the probability is one divided by infinity. But some ticket is going to be picked. So in that sense, everything that happens is impossible. That's a provocative way to state it, but I think there's some truth in that analogy.

But I still believe that the best evidence we have suggests that we should not expect to see human beings anywhere in the universe except Earth. We should not expect to see Indian elephants or any other forms of life that are genetically, functionally and cerebrally similar to us. I strongly suspect that our closest relatives in the universe are here on Earth, and they're not likely to be elsewhere.

.html I am trying to recall the people that had autographed chase cards included in the INKWORKS series of APES cards... I know of:

Buck Kartalian
Natalie Trundy
Jeff Corey

Who were the others? It seems like there was probably a Don Pedro Colley card too but now I don't remember... Anyone who knows,all of the autographed chase cards, please post them... Thanks...


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More about that gorilla in the Phil collins video....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4613169a4500.html"

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On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:00:54 PM, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

...signed by Linda Harrison:

http://cgi.ebay. com.au/ws/ eBayISAPI. dll?ViewItem&item=150268935910&fromMakeTrack= true&ssPageName=VIP: watchlink: middle:au

Neil

Wow, you could cop an indirect feel.

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MONSTERS GO APE. That's the umbrella title of Monsters HD's all-day celebration of the 75th anniversary of 1933's original "King Kong" (Friday at 3 p.m., Monsters HD). Also on tap is a quintuple feature from the apes series kicked off by Charlton Heston's "Planet of the Apes" (lineup begins Friday at 6 a.m. and 8 p.m., Monsters HD), which came out 40 years ago. Full lineup at www.monstershd.com.

There are all sorts of things that I could comment on regarding Charley Lineweaver's views in the article below. But I think that his main POTA comment deserves a valid re-interpretation:

In the movie "Planet of the Apes," Charlton Heston and his team land on a planet that has oxygen comprising 20 percent of the atmosphere, and a 23 hour 56 minute sidereal period. This planet has corn, horses, and gorillas who use rifles and chimpanzees who use photographic equipment. It never occurs to them that this is, in fact, the Earth.

There is a reason why Taylor assumes that he is somewhere other than Earth. The only bit of information he possesses regarding his location -- the only datum available to him, since he never had time to "read the tapes" prior to the sinking of his ship -- is his brief glimpse of the EARTH-TIME chronometer reading: 11-25-3978.

It is based solely on that date that Taylor assumes that their ship is on an Earth-like planet orbiting a Sun-like star with a breathable atmosphere, a sidereal period like Earth's, with Earth-type lifeforms (plant and animal) upon it. Taylor had to have been informed by the planners of this ANSA mission that the position of the spaceship -- which he knew had been heading out into the constellation Orion -- would be tied-in with a corresponding EARTH-TIME date. When they were roughly a third of the way to their destination, the SHIP-TIME clock was approaching the end of their 6th month (from a grand total of 18 months travel-time, i.e. Ship-Time) in Deep Space... corresponding to the EARTH-TIME date 03-24-2673 [that is, A.D. 2673, March 24th... 25th... 26th... etc etc]. Their starting time -- when both chronometers had been synchronized, prior to acceleration to "nearly the speed of light... according to Hasslein's Theory of Time" -- was January 14, 1972. The year 2673 is roughly one-third of the way from 1972 to 3978.

Thus, Taylor had every reason to believe that the ship would keep on its course for the whole of its 18-month journey, since it had operated sufficiently during its first 6 months, when he had put it on "full automatic... in the hands of the computers." Taylor had to have been informed by the ANSA experts that the ship would arrive at its destination [320 lightyears away from Earth] when the SHIP-TIME clock registered a date 18 months later than the Launch Date [i.e. ~ July 15th 1973, which is 18 months after January 14th 1972] and when the EARTH-TIME clock registers the date 11-25-3978 exactly.

Let me repeat that: When the EARTH-TIME clock reads "11-25-3978" exactly , the ship will be 320 lightyears away from Earth, having arrived at a destination that the ANSA mission planners must have known to be an Earth-like planet orbiting a Sun-like star.

Remember when Dodge asks "How long is a day?" and Taylor replies, "Good question"? Well, they had 3 days worth of food and water, and it had to have taken them about that much time to trek across the Forbidden Zone, since they were down to 8 ounces of water at the time they found the first sign of life (the small plant). Does it not make sense that they would've timed the length of that planet's day during their several-day trek, in order to come up with an answer to Dodge's question?

Of course they would have! And they would've discovered that this "alien" planet had the same sidereal period as Earth, just 4 minutes short of 24 full hours.

The reason that this doesn't clue Taylor in to the fact that they're on Earth is because their mission had to have been to a world which they had some foreknowledge about, including the information that this world had a sidereal period exactly equal to that of Earth. A world which had an atmosphere exactly like that of Earth. A world with lifeforms exactly like those of Earth, for the most part.

How might such a world come to exist, and how might ANSA have known of it, in order to send out an interstellar mission to contact it?

Answer: A prior "first contact"-type of experience, unknown to the vast majority of people on Earth, but somehow known to the ANSA mission planners. A prior visit to Earth from a Being (or from Beings) who originated on another world (i.e. Aliens), or perhaps a prior civilization of intelligent Earth people (... Atlantis?...) who invented an interstellar propulsion system thousands of years before Hasslein re-invented it. A race of Beings (whether pre-Historic humans or extraterrestrial aliens) who were able to engineer a planet that would be hospitable for Earth life.

Imagine a spacefaring society that was able to create a planet at an appropriate distance from a type G2V star, in an orbit exactly like Earth's around the Sun. Perhaps by using advanced "gravitic" techniques to push-or-pull a "dead" world with the appropriate mass to the desired position. Then they would use other techniques to "terraform" that mass, causing it to spin at an appropriate angular velocity, with an appropriate axial tilt, and so on and so forth. Transforming its atmosphere into an Earth-type one, like the "shake-and-bake" colony world in "ALIENS."

And... at some point in our distant past, those Beings "seeded" the terraformed Earthlike world with lifeforms taken from Earth.

And, at some point, some people high up in the government of the U.S.A. were made aware of the existence of this Earth-like world orbiting a Sun-like star at a distance from our Solar System of 320 lightyears. Truly, the Beings that could create such a sister-world to Earth would be like "Gods" compared to us mere human mortals. Somebody who might assume that such a superior technological ability must be accompanied by a corresponding moral superiority would think that those World-Makers are (and must be) "better than Man"...

Taylor assumes that their ship landed not on Earth, but on a planet which is almost exactly like Earth... and he tells Landon that the reason he went on the journey is because he, like Dodge, is a "seeker"... and what is it that he's seeking? "... something better than Man."

In my scenario, super-duper powerful Beings -- or maybe just one Being -- created a world [or refashioned a pre-existing world] so that it would be a sister-planet to Earth, with a biosphere virtually identical to the world we call home. This world was intended to be a "home away from home" for Mankind in the event that we ever were able to figure out how to travel hundreds of lightyears out into space. At some time -- in my scenario, after the end of World War II -- certain higher-ups in the U.S. government became privy to information regarding this faraway Earth-like world... and, when Hasslein's scientific know-how was harnessed for the creation of a propulsion system capable of sending spaceships that far away, the U.S. government created a top-secret military space agency [ANSA ] to carry out a mission to reconnoiter the Alpha Centauri system (Virdon's mission) and also an even grander mission -- "the Big One" -- to colonize that Earth-like world 320 lightyears away.

Taylor found what he expected to find: an Earth-like planet orbiting a Sun-like star, with terrestrial lifeforms already in existence upon it. The lifeforms are not alien, like Charley Lineweaver seems to insist in his interpretation of PLANET: they aren't alien lifeforms evolving towards a virtually impossible parallel of Earth-based lifeforms. Rather, they are lifeforms which came directly from Earth , having been transposed long ago by Whomever brought them from Earth to that "New Earth" world.

My scenario (which I won't recap here) explains how it is that the EARTH-TIME clock on the ANSA shuttlecraft Taylor lands in shows the date he expected to find at the Orion destination... even though they had somehow ended up all the way back on Earth. The difficulty isn't so much the presence of Earth-type life on this supposedly "alien" planet. No... the real difficulty is how to account for the presence of the English language spoken by the evolved civilization Taylor finds.

The best explanation that I can give for that is that Taylor knew it would take him and his crew around 2,006 years of EARTH-TIME to travel from Earth to "Terra Orionis" (to give it a name). During those two millennia, what's to prevent later voyages of astronauts from travelling that 320-lightyear distance at a faster velocity, getting there many many centuries earlier than Taylor? Taylor's crew leaves Earth in 1972 and arrives in 3978 (so he assumes). Why can't a later crew leave Earth in 2150 or so and zip there faster, arriving in, say, 2500? A trip covering 320 lightyears in 350 years of EARTH-TIME is still "nearly the speed of light" (i.e. it isn't faster than lightspeed). Who's to say that an upgrade in ANSA-style technology might not allow for a faster journey by a 22nd Century crew of astronauts?

Such later crews could arrive on Terra Orionis long before Taylor does, bringing the English language with them. Taylor might also surmise that those Human speakers-of-English might also have spent several centuries doing selective breeding of Apes... perhaps also tinkering with simian genetics (i.e. Transgenics, gene-splicing)... so as to produce a new set of "evolved" Ape species. And, within a few centuries of the creation of Talking Apes, perhaps things then went bad and the now-smarter Apes turned the tables on the Humans.

By the time Taylor reviews the archaeological data from Cornelius' cave, he seems to be thinking something along those lines. When he tells Zaius that "Man was here first" he could very well be suggesting that Man -- i.e. Humans from Earth -- came to this "alien" world that had been terraformed to be fit for human habitation. Taylor had told Landon that if he could get back to Earth, "they" would think that he was something that "fell out of a tree"... indicating that Taylor -- despite his misanthropy -- did hold out the belief that Mankind would progress as far beyond 20th Century Man as we are from our simian ancestors. "You who are reading me now are a different breed ... I hope a better one." Such "better" Humans who would come to exist in the Future would certainly be more technically proficient, more advanced in all fields of Science. Capable of genetically producing hybrid races of "evolved apes." And, Taylor would probably surmise, they would take with them into Outer Space the language they spoke: English . They would teach newly-created Talking Apes the language that they themselves spoke, would they not?

As advanced as such Earthmen had become, though, they still had the same weaknesses that Taylor knew. Deteriorating eyesight... requiring eyeglasses. Deteriorating cardio-vascular health... requiring an artificial heart's prefabricated valve. Deteriorating teeth... requiring false teeth. Etc etc. Earthmen born centuries after Taylor's ship left Earth for Terra Orionis would be more advanced scientifically... but they would not be perfect. They would still have the weaknesses that come with mortality.

It is not so much how Apes (on Terra Orionis) came to be "evolved" and able to Talk that is the ultimate mystery, as far as Taylor is concerned. It's how Man wound up having regressed to a state of a "beast" on that world. That's the mystery. And why do the Apes (with rare exceptions) tend to hate Mankind, the way Zaius is afraid of Taylor and hates him?

Because, as Zaius says, "Your breed" -- i.e. Man -- "made a desert" of the once-paradise that wound up a "Forbidden Zone"... ages ago. There are several ways to turn a lush paradise into a desert. Diverting rivers by damming up one or more areas can cause the territory that relies on that river water to dry up and become a desert. Maybe that's the sort of "desertification" that Taylor assumes had happened "ages ago"... maybe the Apes had once lived in a fertile area which had become desert when Humans built a dam to divert water to someplace they wanted it. And the Apes, who relied on that water, deemed it an act of ecological warfare against them, forcing them to retaliate and ultimately to invade the human-inhabited territory, forsaking their former paradise.

It isn't until Taylor sees the remnants of the Statue of Liberty that he realizes that he's been on Earth all along. And that the Forbidden Zone became a "wasteland" due to Man having waged a Nuclear War: "... you blew it up!" That's the only reason why nothing can grow there: the radiation levels had somehow gotten so high that whatever nutrients there were in the soil were effectively rendered null. A cluster of hydrogen bomb explosions, coupled with the long-term pollution caused by nuclear power plants going critical... hell, that makes much more sense than a mere dam-diverted river.

Thus, my answer to Charley Lineweaver's conclusions involves a different reading of the evidence given in POTA. He assumes that the story involves alien life evolving in some sort of parallel development to that of Earth, whereas the easiest explanation is that Earth life had (possibly) been transplanted wholesale from Earth to an Earth-like planet's biosphere. In Boulle's novel, Professor Antelle's spaceship is big enough to include a large "cubic compartment" to serve as a garden for Earth flora, about 30' to a side (i.e. 30 feet cubed, or 27,000 cubic feet, or 1,000 cubic yards in size). Imagine beings travelling from Earth to Terra Orionis thousands of years ago... bringing with them Earth flora and fauna in "garden" compartments similar to that of Antelle's ship... but even bigger. Like a "Noah's Ark"-type of vehicle, transplanting Life across Space to a world pre-designed to allow such life to flourish.

That's the most logical assumption somebody like Taylor would make to explain what he finds... and still not conclude that he'd landed back on Earth.

Patrick Michael Tilton

EARTH-TIME 7-12-2008

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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Revisiting_The_Science_Behind_Planet_Of_The_Apes_999.html"

Revisiting The Science Behind Planet Of The Apes: Evolution is as much the luck of the draw as it is survival.  by Leslie Mullen for Astrobiology Magazine Moffett Field CA (SPX) Jul 08, 2008
In the 1968 movie, "Planet of the Apes," Charlton Heston plays the role of Taylor, an astronaut on an interstellar journey.
After traveling for over two thousand years at nearly the speed of light (during which the astronaut crew ages only 18 months due to time dilation), the spacecraft crash lands on a planet.

Unsure of where in the galaxy they are, they soon discover that on this strange new world, chimpanzees and other primates have evolved to become human-like both physically and in the development of their society. Human beings, mute beasts that are captured and contemptuously used for scientific experimentation, occupy a lower rung in this intelligence hierarchy.

Charley Lineweaver, a cosmologist with The Australian National University, says the "Planet of the Apes" story is based on a flawed notion of evolution. In this interview with Astrobiology Magazine's Leslie Mullen, he explains how there is no evidence to support the idea that organisms inevitably become smarter over time, and why that is important in our search for life elsewhere.

Astrobiology Magazine (AM): Could you describe your "Planet of the Apes" hypothesis?

Charley Lineweaver (CL): In the movie "Planet of the Apes," Charlton Heston and his team land on a planet that has oxygen comprising 20 percent of the atmosphere, and a 23 hour 56 minute sidereal period. This planet has corn, horses, and gorillas who use rifles and chimpanzees who use photographic equipment. It never occurs to them that this is, in fact, the Earth. Charlton Heston falls in love with a mute Homo sapien, and they ride away and discover the remnants of the Statue of Liberty. Only then do they realize this is planet Earth, there's no going home anymore. We really screwed it up by killing ourselves, because these bad other creatures have occupied our rightful place in the intelligence niche.

The "Planet of the Apes" hypothesis is that such a niche exists - that human beings developed a big brain because there was selection pressure to move into this evolutionary niche. Another way of saying it is that smart organisms are better off and more fit than stupider organisms in all kinds of environments, and therefore we should expect any type of critters anywhere in the universe to get smarter like we consider ourselves to be.

Carl Sagan called them "functionally equivalent humans." That's what the SETI program has been based on. There is a big polarization in science between physical scientists like Paul Davies and Carl Sagan and Frank Drake and Jill Tarter and Seth Shostak on the one hand, and biologists like Ernst Mayr and George Gaylord Simpson who say that life is so quirky that human beings would never evolve again. If a species goes extinct, it doesn't come back. There may be a niche that opens when a species goes extinct, but the same species or even anything similar to it does not re-evolve into that niche.

AM: SETI is based on the theory that science development will be the same wherever you go, because the physical laws of the universe are the same everywhere. So you'll always eventually have scientists, doctors, technology.

CL: Exactly, but they have zero data to support that. It's based on what they think might happen in the future and what might have occurred elsewhere in the universe. That's not good enough for me. Scientists have to be evidence-based. So let's test this idea.

One test is Harry Jerison's work on the encephalization quotient as a function of time, and whether that increases in lineages that are independent of the human lineage. (The encephalization quotient, or EQ, is the brain-to-body-mass ratio.)

Harry Jerison is what I call a brain worshipper. He wanted to find that everything strives to become like us, but it's just not true. Sometimes brains do get bigger. Sometimes brains get smaller. You would see this kind of diversification for any feature. A common ancestor will have one type of nose, and when the species diverge some noses get smaller, some stay the same, some get larger.
 
The Jerison plot is used by SETI to show that there's some type of selection pressure towards increasing brain size. But if you choose any outstanding characteristic of a species and put it on a plot, you will get a climbing trend.
 
People point to dolphins as evidence that organisms get smarter. Our common ancestor with the dolphin probably lived about 80 million years ago. We could agree that this common ancestor had a small brain, although we have very sparse fossils. From this ancestor, both humans and dolphins independently evolved big brains. Actually, this is not an example of convergence because humans and dolphins have 3.5 billion years of shared common ancestry. For 98 percent of our history, humans and dolphins were the same. The genes needed to develop those big brains had been fine-tuned over billions of years of evolution and were already in place.
 
AM: When you look at the tree of life, humans and other animals with heads make up just one small part of it, and there are all these other branches that never even developed heads.
 
CL: That's right. Forget about brains, let's just talk about heads! If heads are a good idea, wouldn't they have developed in other phyla of life independently? And the answer is no, they appeared in one place, and all the other organisms are getting along perfectly fine, thank you very much, without heads.
 
When you look at the tree of life, it's really a bush. All the things that are alive today are on the top, and down on the bottom we have a convergence because all life evolved from some LUCA, last universal common ancestor. If you look at all the species 600 million years ago, there'd be only one that had a head. We now see them everywhere, but only because this one species radiated.
 
Species are quirky, like languages. The DNA sequence of one particular species is very unique. It's not something deterministic, like planetary formation. We're in the realm of biology, not in the realm of physics.
 
If heads are as quirky as a species, then you can ask yourself, do we expect Indian elephants in outer space? Not African elephants, but Indian elephants. Now, if you do not expect to find an Indian elephant on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, then you can not expect anything else that is species specific out there.
 
It's important to realize that building radio telescopes is a species-specific feature. Yet we insist on maintaining that this is something intelligence does in general. We've all been brainwashed into believing that our intelligence is so wonderful that every other species would want it, including all the extraterrestrials out there.
 
AM: It just seems logical that species will grow more intelligent over time, because of "survival of the fittest." A simple organism responding to its environment and learning more about it will do better than those that don't. In that light, a general trend toward greater intelligence seems like it would be an inevitable outcome of evolution.
 
CL: Well, consider the ancestor of the elephant. It had a little nose, and its nose was a little bit more sensitive than its neighbor's nose, and with that sensitive nose it was able to do things that its neighbor couldn't, so that nose became more sensitive and more tactile, and it got longer and longer and it did more and more things with it, and then it looks back at its own history and it says, "You know what, noses get bigger. Evolving a bigger nose was so useful to me, wouldn't that be a universally useful trait?"
 
AM: I've read that the ancestors of elephants were marine animals, and the nose developed as an oxygen periscope. So the development of that feature was specific to the needs of that environment. The assumption about the development of intelligence is that it would be a useful trait in every environment.
 
CL: You'd think so, but if intelligence is good for every environment, we would see a trend in the encephalization quotient among all organisms as a function of time. The data does not show that. The evidence on Earth points to exactly the opposite conclusion. Earth had independent experiments in evolution thanks to continental drift. New Zealand, Madagascar, India, South America... half a dozen experiments over 10, 20, 50, even 100 million years of independent evolution did not produce anything that was more human-like than when it started. So it's a silly idea to think that species will evolve toward us.
 
AM: Were the times of isolation of these land masses similar to the time needed for human brain development?
 
CL: The time scale for the development of a brain that accounts for the difference between our EQ and that of orangutans, chimps and gorillas took about 2 to 3 million years. These land masses were isolated for periods of time that were 10 to 30 times longer.
 
If you only had 20 million years of isolation, you'd have 10 times the amount of time you would need to develop intelligence, if our time scale is approximately average. Some of these places were not independent for 20 million years, however, they were independent for 50, 60, 90 million years. South America, for example, was independent of the lineages that led to us for about 100 million years before it ran into North America. Madagascar is still an independent experiment, as are New Zealand and Australia.
 
AM: Do you think time is the most important factor for the development of intelligence? If intelligence is not a general trend in all environments, then perhaps certain environmental conditions are necessary. If so, then it may be that most environments were such that species didn't need to develop that degree of intelligence.
 
CL: You could make that argument. It's hard to make up stories about what produced what in biology. Stephen Jay Gould called them "Just So" stories. He was always championing the idea of contingency. If he were alive today, I think he would say that if we were to all go extinct tomorrow, the chances of us evolving again are zero. And the chances of us finding a life form like us in outer space that we can have sex with and reproduce with are zero.
 
I come back to the point that radio telescopes are only made by human beings. We have not stopped species in New Zealand or Australia or South America from making radio telescopes. They had a long time to do it. It didn't happen. Now, one argument that my students sometimes give is that everyone is trying to do it, but we're just the first.
 
The evidence against that is, if you're seeing any type of trend toward human-like intelligence, you have to stop them sometime before they start building those radio telescopes.
 
If you go to these other continents and ask zoologists, "What do you think is the smartest thing there? Is it trying to become human? Is it any closer today than it was 50 million years ago to building a radio telescope?" I think the answer would be no. If that's the answer, then there is no trend toward human-like intelligence, and this whole idea of intelligence being convergent is just an empty claim based on what we want to believe about ourselves.
 
AM: Do you see intelligence as a one-time accident of evolution?
 
CL: No, I think every species has its own type of intelligence. We have ours, elephants have theirs, dolphins have theirs. The type of intelligence they have is the type that has evolved in their quirky environment with all the genetic baggage that they have. To the extent that it's like ours is due to our shared ancestry. The idea that intelligence is a generic thing, and therefore others in outer space will have it too is just crazy, and it's wrong. There is no evidence for it on Earth, there's a lot of evidence against it, and as scientists I think we have to accept that.
 
AM: Yet you've said you support SETI, even though you think there's no chance of finding human-like intelligence elsewhere.
 
CL: The reason I support SETI is because I'm a scientist, and scientists look in places that haven't been looked in before. That is what SETI is doing. They're developing new instruments and new frequency ranges to look at astronomical objects in ways that have not been done before. That is the most powerful tool to discover something new in the universe.
 
I also support SETI because it inspires people. I think a lot of it is motivated for the wrong reasons, but so what? If people are motivated to find extraterrestrials, I think that's great. Give them a thousand dollars to build an instrument. The scientific exploration of the universe is a general goal that I think all scientists share. Also, I support SETI because maybe I'm wrong about this. People are wrong sometimes.
 
AM: There are some 100 billion stars just in our Milky Way galaxy and 10 billion trillion stars in the observable universe. There are probably planets associated with most of those stars. That would seem to increase the odds of finding another human-like intelligence out there.
 
CL: That's a tricky issue, because then you have to ask, what's the probability of a human being? What's the probability of you? Max Tegmark at MIT thinks he can calculate how far it is to the next you. The next Max Tegmark is living at 10 to the 10 to the 29th power meters away. It's mathematically complicated, so I probably shouldn't get into that. But consider a lottery.
 
This lottery doesn't have a thousand tickets or a million tickets, but an infinite number of tickets. Then pick a ticket. The probability of any one ticket being picked is zero, because the probability is one divided by infinity. But some ticket is going to be picked. So in that sense, everything that happens is impossible. That's a provocative way to state it, but I think there's some truth in that analogy.

But I still believe that the best evidence we have suggests that we should not expect to see human beings anywhere in the universe except Earth. We should not expect to see Indian elephants or any other forms of life that are genetically, functionally and cerebrally similar to us. I strongly suspect that our closest relatives in the universe are here on Earth, and they're not likely to be elsewhere.

.html In a message dated 7/12/2008 4:56:29 PM Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Says he's from "Cotswold Collectibles"???

*** There is a "store" with that name, so it's a legitimate business anyway...
I haven't looked at the item though because, as you mentioned, the link in the post didn't work... ***


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Hey folks I know it's been a while, Tom and I have been working
on a how-to video for "The making of Cornelius ,A tribute to John
Chambers". Mean while here is a link to our photo gallery which
includes the making of Cornelius.
http://www.trubalcava.com/blendededge_fx/cornelius/cornelius.html"

John B. Kirtley here at POTA was curious about the makeup process and
now that we have something to share, hope you all enjoy it.

Best wishes !

Dan Morgan and Tom Rubalcava

excellent work!

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, hubcomic <hubcomic@...> wrote:

> From: hubcomic <hubcomic@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Photo gallery of Cornelius makeup
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 6:37 PM
> Hey folks I know it's been a while, Tom and I have been
> working
> on a how-to video for "The making of Cornelius ,A
> tribute to John
> Chambers". Mean while here is a link to our photo
> gallery which
> includes the making of Cornelius.
> http://www.trubalcava.com/blendededge_fx/cornelius/cornelius.html"
>
> John B. Kirtley here at POTA was curious about the makeup
> process and
> now that we have something to share, hope you all enjoy it.
>
> Best wishes !
>
> Dan Morgan and Tom Rubalcava

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Hi everybody,

I'm selling a signed and numbered screen-printed poster advertising
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I considered selling it on Ebay, but thought that true fans of the
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.html Thia is great thanks. I will post my results once I am fully costumed and made-up.
 
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"The 41st edition, to be held from October 2nd to the 12th, will be dedicated to the 40th anniversary of 2001: A Space Odyssey, by Stanley Kubrick, and will be attended by, among others, actors Gary Lockwood and Keir Dullea, special effects supervisor Douglas Trumbull and Jan Harlan, executive producer and Kubrick's assistant.

The Festival will offer a reflective retrospective on the role of science fiction in the history of contemporary cinema, with outstanding movies like Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet, Logan's Run, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, among others."

also King Kong!

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Nice – pic seems to comprise of glyph patterns!




*** Yeah, it has that look to it... BUT, why the hell did they use Councilor Zaius from the TV series on it?!? And everyone says that FOX is the only one that can't tell the apes apart... ***


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Friday July 18 to Thursday July 24


PLANET OF THE APES

> Dir: Franklin J. Schaffner
> 1968 / Color / 112 min. / Cinemascope

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Charlton Heston and Roddy McDowall star in this legendary science fiction masterpiece. Astronaut Taylor (Heston) crash lands on a distant planet ruled by apes who use a primitive race of humans for experimentation and sport. Soon Taylor finds himself among the hunted, his life in the hands of a benevolent chimpanzee scientist (Mcdowall). Winner of an Honorary Academy Award for Outstanding Make-Up Achievement, Planet of the Apes is grand entertainment from its visually arresting beginning to the chilling final moment.

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