--- On Thu, 10/23/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:45 PM
> In a message dated 10/23/08 4:37:46 PM Central Daylight
> Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> speaking of Dead Stewart...I was reading an old Starburst
> mag I got on ebay
> in an overview of POTA films....the author obviously
> didn't do much homework
> as it was filled with inaccuracies....For instance: He
> said since Roddy was
> busy and couldn't do Beneath they just wrote Cornelius
> out of the script!
>
> Anyway one thing he said made me wonder.....he said that
> Stewart died DURING
> the crash....that her glass broke and she aged that
> quickly in those
> moments....I always thought she died sometime in
> space..but , how would her glass
> case have cracked if they were all just sleeping?
>
> you think she aged and died on impact??
>
>
> *** No, I do not think she died during the crash...
> Remember, even Taylor
> says to Landon: "It's a little late for a wake,
> she's been dead nearly a year".
> As to why her case cracked who knows: I suppose you could
> think that a piece
> of equipment smacked into it? (And that is a total guess,
> I'm not even
> saying I think that's the case.) But anyway, I'm
> with you, she died while they
> were in space...
>
> The author was just wrong, and as you said, didn't do
> his homework. ***
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>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
> From the British annuals. No fan fic included. :)
>*** Good, you had me worried for a minute... ***

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart

how would her glass case have cracked if they were all just sleeping?

.

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:53 PM
> -- Funnily enough this is something that Michael and I have
> come up with
> an explanation for in our 'Stewart story' but
> obviously I can't reveal
> anything yet!
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:37 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> how would her glass case have cracked if they were all just
> sleeping?
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49123/stime=1224797850/nc1=5008815/nc2=3858793/nc3=3848621>

> good timing then! I look forward to your explanation!
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:53 PM
> > -- Funnily enough this is something that Michael and I have
> > come up with
> > an explanation for in our 'Stewart story' but
> > obviously I can't reveal
> > anything yet!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:37 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> > how would her glass case have cracked if they were all just
> > sleeping?
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=49123/stime=1224797850/nc1=5008815/nc2=3858793/nc3=3848621>
>
>
>

> good timing then! I look forward to your explanation!
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:53 PM
> > -- Funnily enough this is something that Michael and I have
> > come up with
> > an explanation for in our 'Stewart story' but
> > obviously I can't reveal
> > anything yet!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:37 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> > how would her glass case have cracked if they were all just
> > sleeping?
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=49123/stime=1224797850/nc1=5008815/nc2=3858793/nc3=3848621>
>
>
>

>
> In a message dated 10/23/08 11:46:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Yeah - I don't know if this was a "flub" or if maybe it was an intended
> happening that left a prequel open, but there sure as shit ain't a reasonable
> explanation for the glass to crack without someone/something having entered the
> ship
>
>
> *** I sure hope you're kidding about someone entering the ship to crack that
> glass...***
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sallywhitty@...
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Tim "apefan"
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart

Yeah - I don't know if this was a "flub" or if maybe it was an intended happening that left a prequel open, but there sure as shit ain't a reasonable explanation for the glass to crack without someone/something having entered the ship!

.

> Maybe the air leak and the cracked glass are not even related? There
> could have been an air leak during the flight and she could have been
> dead and mummified long before the crash landing which caused the crack
> in the glass.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of sallywhitty@...
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Tim "apefan"
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Yeah - I don't know if this was a "flub" or if maybe it was an intended
> happening that left a prequel open, but there sure as shit ain't a
> reasonable explanation for the glass to crack without someone/something
> having entered the ship!
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49135/stime=1224823593/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848621/nc3=3858795>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sallywhitty@...
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart

Or someTHING... .

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sallywhitty@...
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart

Or someTHING... .

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sallywhitty@...
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Cc: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart

Or someTHING... .

.

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:34 AM
> Maybe the air leak and the cracked glass are not even
> related? There
> could have been an air leak during the flight and she could
> have been
> dead and mummified long before the crash landing which
> caused the crack
> in the glass.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of sallywhitty@...
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:46 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Tim "apefan"
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Yeah - I don't know if this was a "flub" or
> if maybe it was an intended
> happening that left a prequel open, but there sure as shit
> ain't a
> reasonable explanation for the glass to crack without
> someone/something
> having entered the ship!
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49135/stime=1224823593/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848621/nc3=3858795>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> A new race of aliens then maybe, cool.... just kidding ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of sallywhitty@...
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: mlccougar@...
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Or someTHING....
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49139/stime=1224826300/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Or Taylor did it and murdered her so she couldn't reveal their
affair to
> the other two...
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of sallywhitty@...
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: mlccougar@...
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Or someTHING....
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49139/stime=1224826300/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
>

>
> You didn't see the way he looked at those two?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> nlmoxham
> Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2008 12:28 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Wouldn't that be a bit counter-productive if it meant he was about

> start a new Eden with just Landon and Dodge? What about his "hot

> eager help"?!!
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Or Taylor did it and murdered her so she couldn't reveal their
> affair to
> > the other two...
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com]

> Behalf
> > Of sallywhitty@
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Cc: mlccougar@
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> > Or someTHING....
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?> com/serv?
> s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=49139/stime=1224826300/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
> >
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Some sort of MUTANT thing maybe? ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of sallywhitty@...
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: mlccougar@...
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
>
>
>
> Or someTHING....
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49139/stime=1224826300/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
>

And who is to say that Stewart was not intended to be the first out of the hatch?

  You can be assured there will be no Alien Nation or Star Trek crossover.  What she would find is how the apes came to rule (not Conquest, that's how they came to rule the second time around) and how humans devolved/apes evolved so swiftly. Or do you think Conquest answers that Mike?

Brains in jars... It's always brains in jars !!!

Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> Or another cheesey robot from the Fantastic 4 cartoon? ;)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" ntfoster@ wrote:
> >
> > Some sort of MUTANT thing maybe? ;-)
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of sallywhitty@
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:32 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: mlccougar@
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dead Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> > Or someTHING....
> >
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
> s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=49139/stime=1224826300/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
> >
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

> *** Good of a film as it is, no, I don't think CONQUEST answers much of
> anything other than how to make a "rushed sequel" on a shoe-string budget... The
> events of CONQUEST happen waaaaay too quickly after the events of ESCAPE, and
> despite Patrick's best efforts in his theory, I will never believe that
> Cornelius was lying about a revolt happening after centuries of servitude, rather
> than a few years... ***

__________________________________________________________

*** You'll forgive me, here, if I chime in, I hope?

When Dehn was told to write APES 3 (i.e. ESCAPE), he did it with the intention that it would end with a shocker "cliff-hanger" setting the stage for APES 4 , which he had already planned, plot-wise and all. Before they even began filming ESCAPE, Dehn already knew what story he'd be telling next as CONQUEST.

After the Presidential Commission scene in ESCAPE, Cornelius and Zira admit to Lewis and Stevie that "there was one moment" during the foregoing that was -- shall we say -- "iffy." When they had started to ask the Ape-onauts about Taylor. Cornelius and Zira admit to their two human friends ["We have to be HONEST with someone!"] that they did indeed know Colonel Taylor.

Cornelius, if you will remember, when asked by the Commission member, had LIED to him: "No... is he a soldier?" Remember???

The reason he lied about that -- the reason he and Zira give to Dixon & Branton immediately afterwards -- is due to the fact that if they had admitted to knowing Taylor, they would've then been asked if he were still alive...

... and Taylor CANNOT be alive, they say, because they saw the planet Earth, while they were up in orbit above it, destroyed! They didn't want to reveal the fact that the planet would be destroyed in the wake of "an ape war of aggression" -- as their conversation with Milo at the Zoo plainly reveals the wise reticence they should have to any such "full disclosure" to their "human captors."

Cornelius admits to Dixon and Branton that he had LIED to the Commission about that one single fact [i.e. having known Taylor]. It was the "one moment" that he had been untruthful... meaning that everything else he and Zira had said to the Commission had been the truth -- including the fact that the English language had been the language spoken by his ancestors [circa A.D. 3955] for "nearly two thousand years."

Remember that during the Presidential Commission hearing it is never revealed that the Ape-onauts came not only from Earth's future, but also from the planet Earth itself . For all the Commission knows, in the aftermath of that hearing, the Ape-onauts could've come from some faraway planet orbiting a faraway star many many lightyears away from our Solar System. Hasslein asked, "Where do you come from, Cornelius?" and Cornelius answered, "I'm not sure."

"Doctor Milo was sure," Zira adds. But she doesn't tell them WHERE Milo thought they had come from, only WHEN: "Of course the 'female' knows! We came from your future!"

That tells us (and Hasslein) the WHEN but not the WHERE. I would argue that the NASA scientists going over the flight record tapes would have been able to ascertain not only the exact year [EARTH-TIME] when that ship had launched with the Ape-onauts aboard it -- 3955 -- but also where in Space-Time that launch had happened (i.e. on Earth).

But none of that information came out during that Commission meeting.

Remember, also, that after that first meeting of the Commission, when Hasslein is interviewed on TV by Bill Bonds, he speculates that the Ape-onauts were "jumped" from their time to our time due to some incident "in the dark and turbulent corners of Outer Space":

"Now, Mister Bonds, I do not find it difficult to believe that in the dark and turbulent corridors of Outer Space, the impact of some distant planetary, even galactic disaster , jumped the apes from their present into ours, and, indeed, the proof lies in their arrival among us, and in their spoken -- and I repeat, spoken -- testimony."

When Hasslein says this, he is still in ignorance about the complete flight record of that spaceship. It isn't until later -- after he gets Zira drunk and gets her to reveal the year on the "date meter" as "... thirty-nine... fifty... something..." -- that he is told by the President that the exact year of Earth's destruction is "... thirty-nine fifty-FIVE... A.D., presumably."

So, then, Hasslein doesn't even know that the Apes came from EARTH in the future until Zira specifically tells him -- whilst drunk -- the following:

"When we were in space, we saw a bright, white, blinding light. Then we saw the rim of the Earth... melt... then there was a tornado in the sky."

Hasslein: "The date meter on the spaceship... what did it read after Earth's destruction?"

Zira: "Nineteen... seventy... three."

Hasslein: "And before -- before the white light and the tornado?"

Zira: "Thirty-nine... fifty... something."

This moment in the film is exactly when Hasslein first becomes aware that the event that jumped the apes from their time back to ours did not happen in some "distant planetary" location -- let alone a distant "galactic disaster" -- but in the vicinity of the planet Earth. What Zira and Cornelius told to Dixon & Branton, sober, Zira told to Hasslein later on -- drunk on champagne.

It was to conceal the fact that they came from Earth (a destroyed Earth), initially, that Cornelius LIED to the Commission about whether or not they knew Taylor.

Cornelius LIED about that. But he didn't lie about the fact that his ancestors had been speaking English for "nearly TWO THOUSAND YEARS."

"I speak the language taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of our ancestors for nearly TWO THOUSAND YEARS. As to its origins, ooh, who can be sure? The gorillas and orangutans of our community believed that God created the Ape in His own image, and that our language--"

Get this through your heads, guys & gals: Cornelius was telling the absolute truth here, as he knew it. This bit is not the "one moment" of untruthfulness mentioned by Dixon in the post-hearing scene. Cornelius is providing us a specifically important nugget of information for the Dehn-invented timeline of the "future history" of the planet of the apes: that the English-speaking apes of 3955 were the descendants of English-speaking apes going back "nearly 2,000 years."

Dehn, when he wrote that line, already had CONQUEST all planned out... a story about the surviving changeling son of Zira and Cornelius who would grow to maturity and, when aged 18 in the year 1991, would become the Spartacus/Moses/Christ-figure of the original Ape Histories... the "history scrolls that were hidden from the masses" (probably by Zaius and his ancestors), a.k.a. the "Secret Scrolls."

The one thing that Cornelius would have to say -- later, to Hasslein and the two insulting CIA interrogators -- in order to protect the life of his unborn son in the near-future -- is that the Ape Revolt dates some 500 years after the Pet Plague that he knows will happen soon (in fact, in exactly one decade, in the year 1983, eight years before the Ape Revolt will really happen, with his son CAESAR leading it. Cornelius lies about the timing of that event in order to protect his son -- the future Ape King who will be revered for centuries after-the-fact as "Our Savior." Instead of telling Hasslein the truth, that an ape named CAESAR will "turn the tables" on Man soon , in a mere 18 years, he tells Hasslein that "an ape named ALDO" would become the first to articulate his refusal, some five centures after the Pet Plague strikes.

Why would Cornelius refer to "Aldo" as the ape-to-watch-out-for? Because Cornelius knows that Caesar will attempt to found a Dynasty... and that that attempt will fail due to the fact that Caesar's heir (named CORNELIUS) will be murdered by a gorilla named Aldo. Cornelius tries to get Aldo murdered by Hasslein (or by some like-minded follower of Hasslein's agenda) so as to save the life of his yet-to-be-born son's one-day heir... an ape who will uncoincidentally be given the name of his grandfather: Himself!

Cornelius gives two competing timelines regarding the Future: the wholly truthful one to the Commission and the mostly true yet selectively false one to the CIA interrogation team. BOTH TIMELINES CANNOT BE TRUE. And Dehn himself knew it when he wrote it. He knew that Cornelius' son would be the hero of the next film, grown to adulthood in 1991. He knew that Apes living then, in 1973, would be alive and speaking English during the Revolt against Mankind, in the near-future of 1991.

But it would've been foolish for Cornelius to tell Hasslein the true chronology of the near-future. If he would've said to Hasslein that the Pet Plague would happen 10 years in the future... that Man would replace the Dogs and Cats with Monkeys and Apes... that Apes would subsequently be turned into Slaves... and that an ape named CAESAR would lead a slave-revolt against their human oppressors a mere EIGHT YEARS after the Pet Plague, culminating in a Nuclear War some FIFTEEN YEARS after that... then what would likely have happened to him? To Zira? To their unborn child?

Hasslein would've probably called an armed soldier into the interrogation room, ordered him to hand over his gun, and right then-and-there murdered them, the President's orders be damned!

Cornelius -- in LYING to Hasslein during that interrogation about the name of the Ape ["Aldo"] and the chronology of it [i.e. after at least 500 years] -- puts these arrogant humans into a false sense of security. He lets them believe that Man will have another HALF A MILLENNIUM to rule the world... rather than only 33 more years, when the Nuclear War will be waged that will wipe out human civilization.

Not only does it makes sense for Cornelius to do this, it is what Dehn intended for the already-plotted APES 4, CONQUEST. Instead of writing a sequel like BENEATH (which was supposed to be the "last" of the APES films), which ends with everybody dying as the very planet is destroyed, Dehn had to then write a 3rd film, in which the possibility of yet another sequel afterwards -- a 4th APES film -- could be planned, in the event that APES 3 made enough money to warrant making a 4th film. That's why he ended the film with Baby Milo going "Ma-ma! Ma-ma!"

He could've ended the film with the murdered Apes -- Zira, Cornelius, and their true child -- lying on that ship. It would've been tragic, sure enough. The film could've ended with Man's future safe from Ape dominance. But Dehn went out of his way to set the stage for the "future"... with the surviving Talking Chimp baby foreshadowing that future in a "twist" ending for the film. Dehn knew what he was doing, people! He didn't write ESCAPE, ending it the way he did, without knowing what kind of story he'd be cooking up to follow it! He didn't stop typing after "THE END" and then say to himself, "Well, that sequel's written. If FOX wants another one, well, then I'll have to figure out what the hell I can do to further explore this bizarro scenario... but I'll leave that for later."

No... Dehn already knew the story for CONQUEST before he finished writing ESCAPE. He planned BOTH films, story-wise, when he was given the job: "Apes Live! Sequel Required!" Just as Paramount planned to resurrect Spock in STAR TREK III while they filmed STAR TREK II, by putting in that one brief Mind-Meld shot: "Remember!"... knowing they would use that as the seed for the next film's story.

Jesus! Why else did Dehn put in all that Christ-imagery into ESCAPE??? Remember the Nativity scene: Armando's animal-filled menagerie tent where the Baby Savior was born, just like Christ in a barn? The President makes a reference to Herod and the Slaughter of the Innocents... which Christ survived. And which BABY MILO survived, as part of Dehn's plan to tell the story of an Ape Savior, a Christ-like leader whose efforts would complete the Circle that is the POTA timeline. Just as the story of Jesus, as told in the Gospels, begins with the Nativity and then jumps forwards to an event when he was a child-prodigy (aged 12, teaching in the Temple) and then jumps forwards to his Baptism at about age 30... so, too, does Dehn begin the story of this Ape Messiah by giving him a parallel Nativity and Slaughter-of-the-Innocents episode.

And the next film -- CONQUEST -- would jump forwards to this Ape Messiah's emergence on the world scene to fulfill his "mission" -- whilst suffering a CRUCIFIXION and RESURRECTION, also paralleling Christ.

Dehn had all that planned out when he began writing ESCAPE, people! Every detail that he put into ESCAPE was put there in anticipation of being elucidated by the following film, CONQUEST. And that includes the duelling Chronologies given by Cornelius, the first to the Presidential Commission, the second (false) one to the antagonistic interrogators.

Cornelius can -- and does -- lie. When it suits him. When he has a reason to lie. Hell, we learn in PLANET that he had lied to Zaius and the Academy a year before, misusing his Travel Permit in order to get a chance to "exceed his orders" and venture out into the Forbidden Zone. Cornelius and Zira were both deceptive when Zaius and Maximus rudely walked in on their (written) conversation with Taylor. Think about it! Does Cornelius tell Zaius and Maximus, "Hey! Dig this! This human with the throat wound can WRITE! Can you BELIEVE it!? Look at these notes he's written to us, answering our questions, and asking questions of us! LOOK at 'em!"

NO! Cornelius and Zira pretend that they're "conducting a new experiment" with this man she's named "Bright Eyes"... and when Zaius picks up the paper airplane, Zira tells him that it's a toy that floats on the air... but she doesn't tell him that THE HUMAN MADE IT!!! Oh, there's no doubt that Zaius already knows Taylor made it. But Zira doesn't tell him that. And why not? Because she's not stupid, and isn't willing to commit career suicide then-and-there.

So she and Cornelius LIE. They conceal the truth about Taylor's ability to write. They DECEIVE, out of necessity. Later on, Zira will become unreasonably idealistic regarding pure honesty ["... the time [for Truth] is always Now!"] and her hatred of deceit. But she isn't above being deceitful when there is an overriding necessity. Such as the safety of her unborn son. Remember, Zira switches babies with Heloise... not telling Cornelius that she had done so, and pretending that the baby with them on that old ship is their male child ["HE wants feeding" she says], rather than Heloise's female child Salome.

For God's sake, Zira is willing to deceive her beloved husband at that moment. Why should anybody think that either Zira or Cornelius is somehow "above" deceiving humans whom they don't trust and whom they have valid reasons to fear?

Patrick

P.S. Stewart died from an airleak. We know that the cabin of that spaceship had a breathable atmosphere in it, since that's what Taylor was breathing during his Final Report! If air had leaked OUT of Stewart's hibernation chamber, it had to have leaked OUTSIDE THE SHIP. Such a change in air pressure would account for the glass on her bunk's sliding door cracking. The air didn't leak out of her bunk into the ship's cabin; it leaked from her bunk to OUTSIDE the ship. The other 3 bunks were air-tight, so that the air in them didn't also evacuate to outside the ship. It's possible that some of the cabin's air leaked through the cracked glass into Stewart's bunk and thence outside the ship through the punctured hull there.

The notion, however, that the ship had somehow landed prior to the splashdown in Dead Lake... and that Stewart had had some sort of adventure prior to returning to her hibernation bunk (etc etc etc)... uh, I just don't buy it. Remember: Taylor says that HE had tucked his crew in for the Long Sleep. That procedure involved INJECTING  a serum into them (as he finally did to himself) which, when combined, perhaps, with a catalyst agent in the air supplied to each hibernation bunk, caused each astronaut to go into a state of hibernation. It is only after the 3 chambers open up to the cabin air that the hibernation effect comes to an end. Witness how Taylor suddenly takes in a full inhalation of air after "nearly a year" of suspended animation, where his breathing rate had been slowed down to a crawl. This first waking breath happens only after the bunk's sliding door opens up, when he's no longer breathing whatever specialized air had been provided in the sleep-bunk.

Further, I would surmise that the amount of serum to be injected had to be planned for a known duration of hibernation. Taylor knew that they would spend 6 months awake and then undergo 12 months of hibernation. Too little serum would wear off too soon, and too much serum would keep them in suspended animation for longer than 12 months. The amount of serum injected would have to be enough to keep them in hibernation for the exact amount of Ship-Time required for them to reach their Destination, 320 lightyears from Earth, for the "sleep-phase" of the journey -- 12 of the 18 months of Ship-Time.

Stewart's bunk-space had to have been punctured so that there was a hull-breach. When it sucked the air out of her bunk -- causing the glass in the sliding door to crack -- she remained unconscious due to the fact that the serum in her bloodstream was still affecting her brain. But, even in suspended animation, she needs air, even if she only breathes in-and-out once every ten minutes or so. Taylor -- knowing that the air in her bunk had to have leaked outside the ship -- says that she died IN HER SLEEP. She couldn't have woken up. Had she been able to wake up, she would've been able to press the button that makes the sliding door retract into the ceiling-hull, not to mention undo the buckles on the straps holding her into the form-fitting mould.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sneaky Stewart

That procedure involved INJECTING  a serum into them (as he finally did to himself) which, when combined, perhaps, with a catalyst agent in the air supplied to each hibernation bunk, caused each astronaut to go into a state of hibernation.

.

> Maybe he was injecting himself with something else entirely? Taylor the
> secret junkie... ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sneaky Stewart
>
>
>
>
> That procedure involved INJECTING a serum into them (as he finally did
> to himself) which, when combined, perhaps, with a catalyst agent in the
> air supplied to each hibernation bunk, caused each astronaut to go into
> a state of hibernation.
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49169/stime=1225041512/nc1=5008815/nc2=3848627/nc3=3858794>
>
>

> Rich, I believe you misspoke below when you say: "...
> the idea that CAESAR knew his soon-to-be-born son would
> create the Planet of the Apes..." Don't you mean
> CORNELIUS, instead of Caesar, Caesar being his soon-to-
>be-born son?

> My support for the notion that Cornelius
> (i.e. Zira's fiancee in PLANET, husband in
> BENEATH and ESCAPE) knew that his soon-to-
> be-born son would "create" the Planet of the
> Apes hinges on those Secret Scrolls, which
> he describes as "history scrolls kept hidden
> from the masses."

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sneaky Stewart

The notion, however, that the ship had somehow landed prior to the splashdown in Dead Lake... and that Stewart had had some sort of adventure prior to returning to her hibernation bunk (etc etc etc)... uh, I just don't buy it. Remember: Taylor says that HE had tucked his crew in for the Long Sleep. That procedure involved INJECTING  a serum into them (as he finally did to himself) which, when combined, perhaps, with a catalyst agent in the air supplied to each hibernation bunk, caused each astronaut to go into a state of hibernation. It is only after the 3 chambers open up to the cabin air that the hibernation effect comes to an end. Witness how Taylor suddenly takes in a full inhalation of air after "nearly a year" of suspended animation, where his breathing rate had been slowed down to a crawl. This first waking breath happens only after the bunk's sliding door opens up, when he's no longer breathing whatever specialized air had been provided in the sleep-bunk.

Further, I would surmise that the amount of serum to be injected had to be planned for a known duration of hibernation. Taylor knew that they would spend 6 months awake and then undergo 12 months of hibernation. Too little serum would wear off too soon, and too much serum would keep them in suspended animation for longer than 12 months. The amount of serum injected would have to be enough to keep them in hibernation for the exact amount of Ship-Time required for them to reach their Destination, 320 lightyears from Earth, for the "sleep-phase" of the journey -- 12 of the 18 months of Ship-Time.

Stewart's bunk-space had to have been punctured so that there was a hull-breach. When it sucked the air out of her bunk -- causing the glass in the sliding door to crack -- she remained unconscious due to the fact that the serum in her bloodstream was still affecting her brain. But, even in suspended animation, she needs air, even if she only breathes in-and-out once every ten minutes or so. Taylor -- knowing that the air in her bunk had to have leaked outside the ship -- says that she died IN HER SLEEP. She couldn't have woken up. Had she been able to wake up, she would've been able to press the button that makes the sliding door retract into the ceiling-hull, not to mention undo the buckles on the straps holding her into the form-fitting mould.

 

 

> Thanks for that guys, that's one less comic story I have to bother
> drawing now! ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sneaky Stewart
>
>
>
>
> The notion, however, that the ship had somehow landed prior to the
> splashdown in Dead Lake... and that Stewart had had some sort of
> adventure prior to returning to her hibernation bunk (etc etc etc)...
> uh, I just don't buy it. Remember: Taylor says that HE had tucked his
> crew in for the Long Sleep. That procedure involved INJECTING a serum
> into them (as he finally did to himself) which, when combined, perhaps,
> with a catalyst agent in the air supplied to each hibernation bunk,
> caused each astronaut to go into a state of hibernation. It is only
> after the 3 chambers open up to the cabin air that the hibernation
> effect comes to an end. Witness how Taylor suddenly takes in a full
> inhalation of air after "nearly a year" of suspended animation, where
> his breathing rate had been slowed down to a crawl. This first waking
> breath happens only after the bunk's sliding door opens up, when he's no
> longer breathing whatever specialized air had been provided in the
> sleep-bunk.
>
> Further, I would surmise that the amount of serum to be injected had to
> be planned for a known duration of hibernation. Taylor knew that they
> would spend 6 months awake and then undergo 12 months of hibernation.
> Too little serum would wear off too soon, and too much serum would keep
> them in suspended animation for longer than 12 months. The amount of
> serum injected would have to be enough to keep them in hibernation for
> the exact amount of Ship-Time required for them to reach their
> Destination, 320 lightyears from Earth, for the "sleep-phase" of the
> journey -- 12 of the 18 months of Ship-Time.
>
> Stewart's bunk-space had to have been punctured so that there was a
> hull-breach. When it sucked the air out of her bunk -- causing the glass
> in the sliding door to crack -- she remained unconscious due to the fact
> that the serum in her bloodstream was still affecting her brain. But,
> even in suspended animation, she needs air, even if she only breathes
> in-and-out once every ten minutes or so. Taylor -- knowing that the air
> in her bunk had to have leaked outside the ship -- says that she died IN
> HER SLEEP. She couldn't have woken up. Had she been able to wake up, she
> would've been able to press the button that makes the sliding door
> retract into the ceiling-hull, not to mention undo the buckles on the
> straps holding her into the form-fitting mould.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that guys, that's one less comic story I have to bother
> drawing now! ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sneaky Stewart
>
>
>
>
> The notion, however, that the ship had somehow landed prior to the
> splashdown in Dead Lake... and that Stewart had had some sort of
> adventure prior to returning to her hibernation bunk (etc etc
etc)...
> uh, I just don't buy it. Remember: Taylor says that HE had tucked
his
> crew in for the Long Sleep. That procedure involved INJECTING a
serum
> into them (as he finally did to himself) which, when combined,
perhaps,
> with a catalyst agent in the air supplied to each hibernation bunk,
> caused each astronaut to go into a state of hibernation. It is only
> after the 3 chambers open up to the cabin air that the hibernation
> effect comes to an end. Witness how Taylor suddenly takes in a full
> inhalation of air after "nearly a year" of suspended animation,
where
> his breathing rate had been slowed down to a crawl. This first
waking
> breath happens only after the bunk's sliding door opens up, when
he's no
> longer breathing whatever specialized air had been provided in the
> sleep-bunk.
>
> Further, I would surmise that the amount of serum to be injected
had to
> be planned for a known duration of hibernation. Taylor knew that
they
> would spend 6 months awake and then undergo 12 months of
hibernation.
> Too little serum would wear off too soon, and too much serum would
keep
> them in suspended animation for longer than 12 months. The amount of
> serum injected would have to be enough to keep them in hibernation
for
> the exact amount of Ship-Time required for them to reach their
> Destination, 320 lightyears from Earth, for the "sleep-phase" of the
> journey -- 12 of the 18 months of Ship-Time.
>
> Stewart's bunk-space had to have been punctured so that there was a
> hull-breach. When it sucked the air out of her bunk -- causing the
glass
> in the sliding door to crack -- she remained unconscious due to the
fact
> that the serum in her bloodstream was still affecting her brain.
But,
> even in suspended animation, she needs air, even if she only
breathes
> in-and-out once every ten minutes or so. Taylor -- knowing that the
air
> in her bunk had to have leaked outside the ship -- says that she
died IN
> HER SLEEP. She couldn't have woken up. Had she been able to wake
up, she
> would've been able to press the button that makes the sliding door
> retract into the ceiling-hull, not to mention undo the buckles on
the
> straps holding her into the form-fitting mould.
>

> By the way - Neil and I are working on a new comic that features

> Neil - care to share the thumbnail roughs?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
> group.
>
> File : /Members' Art gallery/Stewart cover.jpg
> Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
> Description : 'Stewart story' cover sketch idea
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Members%27%20Art%
20gallery/Stewart%20cover.jpg
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
>
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htm
lfiles
>
> Regards,
>
> munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

So this is after he stabbed Stewart but before he put her back in her
chamber?

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

It's not her blood, it's a tease. I really should post detailed explanations with everything I draw these days it seems.

 

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

So this is after he stabbed Stewart but before he put her back in her
chamber?

.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Rereading that it sounds a tad harsh, my apologies. I was going off
over
> something non POTA art related, sorry, bad timing, no offence or
> anything intended.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Neil Foster
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:58 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
>
>
>
>
>
> It's not her blood, it's a tease. I really should post detailed
> explanations with everything I draw these days it seems.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:55 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
>
>
>
> So this is after he stabbed Stewart but before he put her back in
her
> chamber?
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=49185/stime=1225141099/nc1=5008815/nc2=3858794/nc3=3848607>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I've just uploaded a sketch I did for a possible cover to the files
> section
>
> Neil
>
>

Great to see Neil, got that Frazetta primate and helpless women vibe going

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/FA86.jpg

Fully painted  ??

(It'd be great with all them greens and purples)

Best,Graham.

>Posted by: " PotaDG@yahoogroups.com" PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>This email message is a notification to let you know that
>a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
>group.
>Description : 'Stewart story' cover sketch idea
>munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>

>
> Hey - that's a nice pic!
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Yes - I know!
>
>
>
> But it is nice..
>
>

It's the purples...

Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Hill" <shop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > I've just uploaded a sketch I did for a possible cover to the
files
> > section
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Great to see Neil, got that Frazetta primate and helpless women vibe
> going [:)]
>
> http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/FA86.jpg
> <http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w252/hill19652000/FA86.jpg>
>
> Fully painted [;)] ??
>
> (It'd be great with all them greens and purples)
>
> Best,Graham.
>

>
> Me too - looks like a good, well put together special!
>
>
>
> CAN'T WAIT!!!!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 6:12 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Exclusive POTA Blu-ray footage!!
>
>
>
> Exclusive POTA Blu-ray footage.
>
> <http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEA87EDH1QvLDJ>
> http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEA87EDH1QvLDJ
>
>
>
> Now I'm really getting pumped! 6 days and counting :o)
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> Al
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] What's another word for Bullsh*t?

*** I know the discussions you're talking about and I don't find either of those as annoying as you're seeming to... The one getting me is the whole "third ship" thing and when I ask(ed) where the other crew members are, I get no answer to that...

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] What's another word for Bullsh*t?

 

I cannot believe the "discussions" infesting the

"other" group.  James will not admit that there

ever was a female orangutan in Conquest, nor

that anyone could survive in the desert for a

week or more.  No one is that stupid, except

James, of course.  I'm not even sure he believes

any of this.  I think he's just arguing to boost the

number of posts over there. 

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] What's another word for Bullsh*t?

It’s a tactic, and you can’t blame him!

Neil – can you throw in a couple!?!?!? 

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Untitled comic

Hi, folks,

I was perusing the files and came across this:

http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/UCAKScS9m2Y0j VOxpdasY9y5hbAnw yxbdFktbbo4vxlqP PhisjhQRdlpc00kg Y_F4D-rQm7aKC5rx Ci8m9hzMZ7GyrL0X A/Comics/ new%20pota% 20untitled% 20page%2001% 20(pota).jpg

I must have missed this when it was posted. Who's it by? And is
there more to the story?

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] What's another word for Bullsh*t?

 

I cannot believe the "discussions" infesting the

"other" group.  James will not admit that there

ever was a female orangutan in Conquest, nor

that anyone could survive in the desert for a

week or more.  No one is that stupid, except

James, of course.  I'm not even sure he believes

any of this.  I think he's just arguing to boost the

number of posts over there.  It's driving me nuts!

Does anyone here believe that Orang was male

because the script says so?   Or eve considered

it?  And how do you look at a picture of an oasis

and say there's not enough there to sustain life?

.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Untitled comic

Is it in the DG Files?

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2008 8:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Untitled comic

The link doesn't work Rich.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Untitled comic

Hi, folks,

I was perusing the files and came across this:

http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/UCAKScS9m2Y0j VOxpdasY9y5hbAnw yxbdFktbbo4vxlqP PhisjhQRdlpc00kg Y_F4D-rQm7aKC5rx Ci8m9hzMZ7GyrL0X A/Comics/ new%20pota% 20untitled% 20page%2001% 20(pota).jpg

I must have missed this when it was posted. Who's it by? And is
there more to the story?

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