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Group: potadg Message: 49425 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49426 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49427 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49428 From: Neil Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49429 From: Dario Sciola Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49430 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49431 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49432 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49433 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49434 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49435 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fox movie channel
Group: potadg Message: 49436 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fox movie channel
Group: potadg Message: 49437 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49438 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49439 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49440 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49441 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49442 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49443 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49444 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49445 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49446 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49447 From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49448 From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49449 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Blu-Ray give away on E! Network last week...
Group: potadg Message: 49450 From: mlccougar Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49451 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49452 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49453 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49454 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49455 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49456 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49457 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49458 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49459 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49460 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49461 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49462 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49463 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49464 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49465 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49466 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
Group: potadg Message: 49467 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: I mean...
Group: potadg Message: 49468 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49469 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
Group: potadg Message: 49470 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49471 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49472 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49473 From: rassmguy Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49474 From: rassmguy Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
Group: potadg Message: 49475 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Sideshow Premium Format figures
Group: potadg Message: 49476 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Sideshow Premium Format figures
Group: potadg Message: 49477 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49478 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49479 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49480 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49481 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49482 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49483 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49484 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49485 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 49486 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49487 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49488 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Sideshow Premium Format figures
Group: potadg Message: 49489 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49490 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Books
Group: potadg Message: 49491 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re Books
Group: potadg Message: 49492 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Books
Group: potadg Message: 49493 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Re Books
Group: potadg Message: 49494 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49495 From: knightangel314 Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Re Books
Group: potadg Message: 49496 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49497 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: What's another word for Bullsh*t?
Group: potadg Message: 49498 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49499 From: rassmguy Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49500 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49501 From: Patrick Tilton Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49502 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49503 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49504 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: Escape photos
Group: potadg Message: 49505 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: What's another word for Bullsh*t?
Group: potadg Message: 49506 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49507 From: rassmguy Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49508 From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49509 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: ANSA public service announcement
Group: potadg Message: 49510 From: John Date: 11/18/2008
Subject: Paul Dehn
Group: potadg Message: 49511 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
Group: potadg Message: 49512 From: John Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Review of the Addar model kits
Group: potadg Message: 49513 From: John Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49514 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Review of the Addar model kits
Group: potadg Message: 49515 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Review of the Addar model kits
Group: potadg Message: 49516 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49517 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49518 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
Group: potadg Message: 49519 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49520 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
Group: potadg Message: 49521 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49522 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ty on Space
Group: potadg Message: 49523 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 49524 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/22/2008
Subject: Re: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes



Group: potadg Message: 49425 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Not conclusive and no apologies here, long live the 'Circular Theory' I say!!! ;-)
 
Neil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

Anyway, conclusive proof of the two-timelines theory. :-) I expect
there'll be full apologies from the circularists on the group!

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Group: potadg Message: 49426 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Caesar replaced Aldo/
That's why there are 2 timelines.
It would have happened anyway.
But since Caesar was born it changed.
Aldo didn't lead the rebellion, and he was killed
by Caesar.  I don't know why people ever say
the timeline is circular.  It's not and that's proof.
Cornelius wasn't lying.  He told it as it happened
the fist time.  But they always said you could change
your future.  But that doesn't mean some things don't change.
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 10:35:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:
learns of the impending end of the world,
inadvertantly caused by war-hungry gorillas led by General Aldo", do
they mean Ursus?



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Group: potadg Message: 49427 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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I think that all depends on how you look at it.
If Conquest and Battle was west coast and Planet and Beneath were east coast, how then would the events of Beneath change?
If you told me that Caesar killed Mendez then I would say yes. But if Mendez remains alive and gets to the east coast, then I'd say we're all doomed!
 
LOL! :o)
 
Al


From: "TZer0@..." <TZer0@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:39:47 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

 
Caesar replaced Aldo/
That's why there are 2 timelines.
It would have happened anyway.
But since Caesar was born it changed.
Aldo didn't lead the rebellion, and he was killed
by Caesar.  I don't know why people ever say
the timeline is circular.  It's not and that's proof.
Cornelius wasn't lying.  He told it as it happened
the fist time.  But they always said you could change
your future.  But that doesn't mean some things don't change.
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 10:35:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@gmail. com writes:
learns of the impending end of the world,
inadvertantly caused by war-hungry gorillas led by General Aldo", do
they mean Ursus?




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Group: potadg Message: 49428 From: Neil Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Because it is. That is not proof of anything.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>I don't know why people ever say
> the timeline is circular. It's not and that's proof.
> Cornelius wasn't lying. He told it as it happened
> the fist time.
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Group: potadg Message: 49429 From: Dario Sciola Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Because Dehn said it is and he wrote the script amking it so. He's
just bad at math and can't remember dates.

I think a lot of it has to do with initial perception. Even as a kid I
perceived it to be a circular timeline so I have always believed it to
be such. I think that if your first impression was otherwise, you
would tend to stick to that alternate (or changed) timeline notion. It
then becomes hard for anyone to change their views because there is
credible supporting evidence for both beliefs. There really is no one
true answer.

Dario


----- Original Message -----
From: Neil <ntfoster@...>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:42 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

> Because it is. That is not proof of anything.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
> >I don't know why people ever say
> > the timeline is circular. It's not and that's proof.
> > Cornelius wasn't lying. He told it as it happened
> > the fist time.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 49430 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Would Caesar's society eventually turn into Dr Zauis'? The answer to that question was intentionally meant to be left vague...that's why the scene with the Alpha Omega bomb was cut at the end of BATTLE. There is no clear-cut answer and some retro-revisonist timeline put out by FOX will not change that.
Bill
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:36:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, darios@... writes:

Because Dehn said it is and he wrote the script amking it so. He's
just bad at math and can't remember dates.

I think a lot of it has to do with initial perception. Even as a kid I
perceived it to be a circular timeline so I have always believed it to
be such. I think that if your first impression was otherwise, you
would tend to stick to that alternate (or changed) timeline notion. It
then becomes hard for anyone to change their views because there is
credible supporting evidence for both beliefs. There really is no one
true answer.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil <ntfoster@bigpond. com>
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:42 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

> Because it is. That is not proof of anything.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, TZer0@... wrote:
> >I don't know why people ever say
> > the timeline is circular. It's not and that's proof.
> > Cornelius wasn't lying. He told it as it happened
> > the fist time.
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

 



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Group: potadg Message: 49431 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>There really is no one true answer.

And that is the best answer anyone can give. There is no 100% proof
of either possibility--the end of Battle leaves that ambiguous. It
could go either way, and a person could make a strong argument for
both scenarios.

For me, the biggest evidence of alternate timelines is that time does
not unfold in the later films as we're told it will in Escape.

On the other hand, the biggest evidence of a circular timeline is that
if the future changed, Cornelius and Zira wouldn't go back in time
during the war, in which case Caesar would never be born.

Although it's documented what Dehn's original premise was, I consider
that less important than how the viewers perceive the film. Personal
interpretation is just as relevant as author intent. If one reads a
poem, it matters little what the poet intended it to mean--what
matters more is how the person reading it perceives it. The same is
true for film, in my opinion. If someone perceives the films as
circular, then the timeline is circular. And if that person perceives
it as changing, then it's changing.
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Group: potadg Message: 49432 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , atragon1@... wrote:
> Would Caesar's society eventually turn into Dr Zauis'? The answer to
that question was intentionally meant to be left vague...

Exactly. Two thousand years is a VERY long time--it's the same amount
of time that has lapsed since the days of Christ, and the world is
completely different now than it was back then. Much of what happened
in Christ's day is so far removed from the modern world that it no
longer directly dictates what is happening now. The same is true for
the Apes films. What happened in the time of Caesar, and the state of
society at the time of Battle's Lawgiver, are far removed from the era
in which Taylor arrives--as such, it's all open to interpretation as
to whether the timeline is circular or changing.
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Group: potadg Message: 49433 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Supposing history could be changed in a second timeline, as the end
of 'Battle' might suggest, does that imply that Taylor and his crew
will now arrive into a world of peace and harmony? Where an intelligent
Nova is a minister alongside Zaius and the orangutans? And could that
then change events to prevent Zira and Cornelius from going back in
time (not wanting to mess around with Taylor's property, no explosion
to propel them through time) thus restoring the original timeline in
some sort of horrible circular/cyclical paradox???

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@ wrote:
> > Would Caesar's society eventually turn into Dr Zauis'? The answer to
> that question was intentionally meant to be left vague...
>
> Exactly. Two thousand years is a VERY long time--it's the same amount
> of time that has lapsed since the days of Christ, and the world is
> completely different now than it was back then. Much of what happened
> in Christ's day is so far removed from the modern world that it no
> longer directly dictates what is happening now. The same is true for
> the Apes films. What happened in the time of Caesar, and the state of
> society at the time of Battle's Lawgiver, are far removed from the era
> in which Taylor arrives--as such, it's all open to interpretation as
> to whether the timeline is circular or changing.
>
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Group: potadg Message: 49434 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Maybe...
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

Supposing history could be changed in a second timeline, as the end
of 'Battle' might suggest, does that imply that Taylor and his crew
will now arrive into a world of peace and harmony? Where an intelligent
Nova is a minister alongside Zaius and the orangutans? And could that
then change events to prevent Zira and Cornelius from going back in
time (not wanting to mess around with Taylor's property, no explosion
to propel them through time) thus restoring the original timeline in
some sort of horrible circular/cyclical paradox???

 
 
 
 



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Group: potadg Message: 49435 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fox movie channel
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I am soooo annoyed that although Comcast has it, we apparently aren't subscribed. (I think DirectTV had it as a non-pay channel)

GRRRR!

Mel
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Group: potadg Message: 49436 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fox movie channel
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Solution:
Subscribe then unsubscribe after Thanksgiving weekend. :o)
 
Al


From: ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:20:30 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Fox movie channel

I am soooo annoyed that although Comcast has it, we apparently aren't subscribed. (I think DirectTV had it as a non-pay channel)

GRRRR!

Mel


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Group: potadg Message: 49437 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Or will they arrive at all?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 3:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

 

Supposing history could be changed in a second timeline, as the end
of ' Battle ' might suggest, does that imply that Taylor and his crew
will now arrive into a world of peace and harmony? Where an intelligent
Nova is a minister alongside Zaius and the orangutans? And could that
then change events to prevent Zira and Cornelius from going back in
time (not wanting to mess around with Taylor's property, no explosion
to propel them through time) thus restoring the original timeline in
some sort of horrible circular/cyclical paradox???

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@.. .> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
atragon1@ wrote:
> > Would Caesar's society eventually turn into Dr Zauis'? The answer to
> that question was intentionally meant to be left vague...
>
> Exactly. Two thousand years is a VERY long time--it's the same amount
> of time that has lapsed since the days of Christ, and the world is
> completely different now than it was back then. Much of what happened
> in Christ's day is so far removed from the modern world that it no
> longer directly dictates what is happening now. The same is true for
> the Apes films. What happened in the time of Caesar, and the state of
> society at the time of Battle 's
Lawgiver, are far removed from the era
> in which Taylor
arrives--as such, it's all open to interpretation as
> to whether the timeline is circular or changing.
>

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Group: potadg Message: 49438 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Conquest on Blu-Ray
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To those who have the new Blu-Ray set:

I'm curious--aside from increased violence and Breck's death, does
the extended cut of Conquest add anything else to the story?
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Group: potadg Message: 49439 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
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Yeah, good question Rich, I was wondering the same thing myself. Also what happened to the scenes that were supposed to have been cut like the opening chase scene.
 
Neil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray

To those who have the new Blu-Ray set:

I'm curious--aside from increased violence and Breck's death, does
the extended cut of Conquest add anything else to the story?

.

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Group: potadg Message: 49440 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
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Maybe Cornelius' original speech in Planet, where he gives the length of time the Apes were slaves was correct. We don't know what happened after Battle, maybe the humans regained control and the Apes did become slaves again for however many years that he mentioned?
 
Neil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

 
Caesar replaced Aldo/
That's why there are 2 timelines.
It would have happened anyway.
But since Caesar was born it changed.
Aldo didn't lead the rebellion, and he was killed
by Caesar.  I don't know why people ever say
the timeline is circular.  It's not and that's proof.
Cornelius wasn't lying.  He told it as it happened
the fist time.  But they always said you could change
your future.  But that doesn't mean some things don't change.
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Group: potadg Message: 49441 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/10/2008
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The why didn't Aldo lead the rebellion?
Why was Lisa the first ape to say, "No"?
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:47:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:
That is not proof of anything.



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Group: potadg Message: 49442 From: rassmguy Date: 11/10/2008
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:
> The why didn't Aldo lead the rebellion?
> Why was Lisa the first ape to say, "No"?

That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
reason.
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Group: potadg Message: 49443 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/10/2008
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I take it you believe everything that is written in the Bible is fact and happened exactly as portrayed in it? I certainly don't and that book shares a similar time span to the scrolls that Cornelius quoted his history from. The 'facts' of history are only what we are told by the people that write the history books.  
Knowing as much as you do about Japan you would know how they have changed the facts of certain things that their soldiers got up to in WW2 and still, to this day, teach their school kids those lies.
 
Neil
 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

 
The why didn't Aldo lead the rebellion?
Why was Lisa the first ape to say, "No"?
.

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Group: potadg Message: 49444 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
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The only thing I think it adds is gruesome. Over abundance of seriuosly violent acts. Apes and cops shot in the face (although it kind of looks like someone squirting ketchup!), the dead cop bodies piling up, crushing of faces and the length of Breck's beating is a little uncomfortable. I think it was a good idea to cut most all of that....I like there is no added speech too.

Tim


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:26 PM
> To those who have the new Blu-Ray set:
>
> I'm curious--aside from increased violence and
> Breck's death, does
> the extended cut of Conquest add anything else to the
> story?
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Group: potadg Message: 49445 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
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The opening scene isn't there....it starts as always with the training of the groups. I was surprised..I really thought the opening scene would be there.,,...

something else that's odd.....the soundtrack. Listening to the CD there is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't pleasant to listen to and I had never known where this came in to the film. In the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the riots..overpowering the gunshoys somtimes....

and in the isolated score there are some very odd choices....when Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time there is a cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song in Escape, it can not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's there.


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:45 PM
> Yeah, good question Rich, I was wondering the same thing
> myself. Also
> what happened to the scenes that were supposed to have been
> cut like the
> opening chase scene.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rich Handley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:26 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray
>
>
>
> To those who have the new Blu-Ray set:
>
> I'm curious--aside from increased violence and
> Breck's death, does
> the extended cut of Conquest add anything else to the
> story?
>
> .
>
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Group: potadg Message: 49446 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/10/2008
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SPOILER>>>









In the blu-ray version Lisa doesn't say anything.....



--- On Mon, 11/10/08, TZer0@... <TZer0@...> wrote:

> From: TZer0@... <TZer0@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:51 PM
> The why didn't Aldo lead the rebellion?
> Why was Lisa the first ape to say, "No"?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:47:55 A.M. Central Standard
> Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> That is not proof of anything.
>
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Group: potadg Message: 49447 From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com Date: 11/10/2008
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    Isn't that the ORIGINAL score that was considered too scarey?
     


    On 11/11/2008 2:14 PM Tim \"apefan\" wrote:

    The opening scene isn't there....it starts as always with the training of the groups. I was surprised..I really thought the opening scene would be there.,,... something else that's odd.....the soundtrack. Listening to the CD there is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't pleasant to listen to and I had never known where this came in to the film. In the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the riots..overpowering the gunshoys somtimes.... and in the isolated score there are some very odd choices....when Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time there is a cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song in Escape, it can not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's there. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Neil Foster wrote: > From: Neil Foster > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:45 PM > Yeah, good question Rich, I was wondering the same thing > myself. Also > what happened to the scenes that were supposed to have been > cut like the > opening chase scene. > > Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Rich Handley > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:26 AM > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [PotaDG] Conquest on Blu-Ray > > > > To those who have the new Blu-Ray set: > > I'm curious--aside from increased violence and > Breck's death, does > the extended cut of Conquest add anything else to the > story? > > . > > sgId=49438/stime=1226359563/nc1=5008814/nc2=3848614/nc3=3858797>
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      WOW!
       


      On 11/11/2008 2:16 PM Tim \"apefan\" wrote:

      SPOILER>>> In the blu-ray version Lisa doesn't say anything..... --- On Mon, 11/10/08, TZer0@... wrote: > From: TZer0@... > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:51 PM > The why didn't Aldo lead the rebellion? > Why was Lisa the first ape to say, "No"? > > > > In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:47:55 A.M. Central Standard > Time, > ntfoster@... writes: > > That is not proof of anything. > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, > recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)
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      Group: potadg Message: 49449 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Blu-Ray give away on E! Network last week...
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      Did anyone here see the Chelsea Lately Show on E! last week? They had a guy dressed up as a chimp and they gave away the Blu-Ray set to the audience on there too... And I'm sure it was just a show "regular", not anyone from APEMANIA that was dressed as the chimp... I didn't see the whole show, but I didn't hear any mention of who costumed/made-up the guy or anything... Actually, he looked more like an APES film chimp than an APEMANIA chimp, so whoever made him up, he was better looking than the chimps running around on TV these days...



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      Group: potadg Message: 49450 From: mlccougar Date: 11/11/2008
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:


      Something else that's odd...the soundtrack. Listening to the CD there
      is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't pleasant to
      listen to and I had never known where this came in to the film. In
      the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the riots...overpowering the
      gunshots sometimes....

      *** I like both of the "riot" tracks, especially the one you're
      referring to... I forget it's title, but you're talking about the one
      with what sounds like "swarming bees" or wind or something right? I
      wished it had been in the released cut of the film, rather than using
      the same brass heavy track repeated over and over... I suppose
      repeating the same stuff over sounded okay, but the one that I think
      you're referring to is cooler in that it seems to convey the sense of
      craziness and confusion, etc. ***


      And in the isolated score there are some very odd choices... When
      Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time there is a
      cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song in Escape, it can
      not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's there.

      *** You're not talking about that "1991 Restaurant" are you? Worst
      track of the CONQUEST score... ***
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      Group: potadg Message: 49451 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
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      Hey – welcome back man!  J

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar
      Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 6:36 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray

       

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:

      Something else that's odd...the soundtrack. Listening to the CD there
      is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't pleasant to
      listen to and I had never known where this came in to the film. In
      the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the riots...overpowerin g the
      gunshots sometimes... .

      *** I like both of the "riot" tracks, especially the one you're
      referring to... I forget it's title, but you're talking about the one
      with what sounds like "swarming bees" or wind or something right? I
      wished it had been in the released cut of the film, rather than using
      the same brass heavy track repeated over and over... I suppose
      repeating the same stuff over sounded okay, but the one that I think
      you're referring to is cooler in that it seems to convey the sense of
      craziness and confusion, etc. ***

      And in the isolated score there are some very odd choices... When
      Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time there is a
      cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song in Escape, it can
      not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's there.

      *** You're not talking about that "1991 Restaurant" are you? Worst
      track of the CONQUEST score... ***

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      Group: potadg Message: 49452 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/11/2008
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      I have the Conquest soundtrack here on itunes....let's see....

      "Civil Disobediance" and "Revolution" are the ones that are chaotic and you are right they do fit the mood of the riots....It was just odd hearing it in the actual film....and "ape Revolt Begins" has some of that in it as well.

      and it is "1991 restaurant" that is very strangely playing during those other scenes....I haven't watched the whole isolated score CQ yet..just did some jumping around,....but a lot of what I heard on the isolated score can not be heard on the regular film


      --- On Tue, 11/11/08, mlccougar <mlccougar@...> wrote:

      > From: mlccougar <mlccougar@...>
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:36 AM
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
      > \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
      > wrote:
      >
      >
      > Something else that's odd...the soundtrack. Listening
      > to the CD there
      > is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't
      > pleasant to
      > listen to and I had never known where this came in to the
      > film. In
      > the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the
      > riots...overpowering the
      > gunshots sometimes....
      >
      > *** I like both of the "riot" tracks, especially
      > the one you're
      > referring to... I forget it's title, but you're
      > talking about the one
      > with what sounds like "swarming bees" or wind or
      > something right? I
      > wished it had been in the released cut of the film, rather
      > than using
      > the same brass heavy track repeated over and over... I
      > suppose
      > repeating the same stuff over sounded okay, but the one
      > that I think
      > you're referring to is cooler in that it seems to
      > convey the sense of
      > craziness and confusion, etc. ***
      >
      >
      > And in the isolated score there are some very odd
      > choices... When
      > Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time
      > there is a
      > cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song
      > in Escape, it can
      > not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's
      > there.
      >
      > *** You're not talking about that "1991
      > Restaurant" are you? Worst
      > track of the CONQUEST score... ***
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      Group: potadg Message: 49453 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
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      Okay, now you're sounding like Patrick -- Fixing the Flubs.
       
       
      In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:
      That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
      very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
      depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
      intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
      inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
      reason.



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      Group: potadg Message: 49454 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
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      Well, I'm not claiming any third ships yet, but I do enjoy fixing a
      flub or two. :)

      Speaking of which, the new ANSA footage pretty much debunks the whole
      third-ship theory, since it establishes that Brent and Maddox were
      alternates for the Liberty 1 mission, and that they "rounded out" the
      team. In other words...those six astronauts were the only members
      involved. No other astronauts, no other ships.



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
      > Okay, now you're sounding like Patrick -- Fixing the Flubs.
      >
      > In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
      > handleyr@... writes:
      >
      > That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
      > very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
      > depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
      > intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
      > inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
      > reason.
      >
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      all other
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      Group: potadg Message: 49455 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
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      I wonder is the isolated score for the general release of CONQUEST or for the unrated version?

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 1:30 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray

       

      I have the Conquest soundtrack here on itunes....let' s see....

      "Civil Disobediance" and "Revolution" are the ones that are chaotic and you are right they do fit the mood of the riots....It was just odd hearing it in the actual film....and "ape Revolt Begins" has some of that in it as well.

      and it is "1991 restaurant" that is very strangely playing during those other scenes....I haven't watched the whole isolated score CQ yet..just did some jumping around,....but a lot of what I heard on the isolated score can not be heard on the regular film

      --- On Tue, 11/11/08, mlccougar <mlccougar@aol. com> wrote:

      > From: mlccougar <mlccougar@aol. com>
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:36 AM
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
      "Tim
      > \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .>
      > wrote:
      >
      >
      > Something else that's odd...the soundtrack. Listening
      > to the CD there
      > is an extended cut of odd percussion that really isn't
      > pleasant to
      > listen to and I had never known where this came in to the
      > film. In
      > the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the
      > riots...overpowerin g the
      > gunshots sometimes... .
      >
      > *** I like both of the "riot" tracks, especially
      > the one you're
      > referring to... I forget it's title, but you're
      > talking about the one
      > with what sounds like "swarming bees" or wind or
      > something right? I
      > wished it had been in the released cut of the film, rather
      > than using
      > the same brass heavy track repeated over and over... I
      > suppose
      > repeating the same stuff over sounded okay, but the one
      > that I think
      > you're referring to is cooler in that it seems to
      > convey the sense of
      > craziness and confusion, etc. ***
      >
      >
      > And in the isolated score there are some very odd
      > choices... When
      > Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time
      > there is a
      > cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping" song
      > in Escape, it can
      > not be heard in the film so I don't know why it's
      > there.
      >
      > *** You're not talking about that "1991
      > Restaurant" are you? Worst
      > track of the CONQUEST score... ***

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      Group: potadg Message: 49456 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
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      I disagree strongly T.

       

      Patrick (all respect here) actually comes up with complex fixes.

       

      This is not complicated – it’s something factual (Chinese whispers over 2000 years can lead to inaccuracies in history) and easily taken for granted.

       

      It’s a very simple possibility that’s quite believable and understandable without pages of explaining and a college degree.

       

      MIchael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:05 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

       

      Okay, now you're sounding like Patrick -- Fixing the Flubs.

       

       

      In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@optonline. net writes:

      That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
      very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
      depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
      intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
      inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
      reason.




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      Group: potadg Message: 49457 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/11/2008
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      The CIA might have had some ideas!  J

       

      Anyway – Neil and I explained the whole ship thing in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).  Which, I am sure, is on your timeline book!  J

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:22 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

      Well, I'm not claiming any third ships yet, but I do enjoy fixing a
      flub or two. :)

      Speaking of which, the new ANSA footage pretty much debunks the whole
      third-ship theory, since it establishes that Brent and Maddox were
      alternates for the Liberty 1 mission, and that they "rounded out" the
      team. In other words...those six astronauts were the only members
      involved. No other astronauts, no other ships.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, TZer0@... wrote:

      > Okay, now you're sounding like Patrick -- Fixing the Flubs.
      >
      > In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
      > handleyr@... writes:
      >
      > That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
      > very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
      > depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
      > intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
      > inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
      > reason.
      >
      > ************ **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and
      all other
      > Holiday needs. Search Now.
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      Group: potadg Message: 49458 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
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      Oh jeez, not that crap with the robot in it!? ;-)
       
      Neil
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
      Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:16 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

      The CIA might have had some ideas!  J

      Anyway – Neil and I explained the whole ship thing in WITHIN

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 49459 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
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      Exactly. Thanks for the back-up. I think it's pretty reasonable to
      attribute the differences between the first two films and the last
      three to historical inaccuracies. As you say, I'm not creating an
      entire thesis--I'm just stating the truth, which is that 2,000 years
      is a long time, and documents spanning back that far are hardly likely
      to be accurate. The ones we have from 2,000 years ago certainly aren't.



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > I disagree strongly T.
      >
      >
      >
      > Patrick (all respect here) actually comes up with complex fixes.
      >
      >
      >
      > This is not complicated - it's something factual (Chinese whispers
      over 2000
      > years can lead to inaccuracies in history) and easily taken for granted.
      >
      >
      >
      > It's a very simple possibility that's quite believable and
      understandable
      > without pages of explaining and a college degree.
      >
      >
      >
      > MIchael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of
      > TZer0@...
      > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:05 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Okay, now you're sounding like Patrick -- Fixing the Flubs.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:21:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
      > handleyr@... writes:
      >
      > That was 2,000 years before the time of Cornelius. The scrolls could
      > very well have gotten a lot of things wrong with a timespan like that,
      > depending on who was in power during any particular era. Not
      > intending to offend anyone, but I'm sure there are many historical
      > inaccuracies in the Bible and other human religious texts for the same
      > reason.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday
      > needs. Search
      >
      <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt
      >
      p://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcn
      > tussear00000001%0d%0a> Now.
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 49460 From: rassmguy Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
      > The CIA might have had some ideas! :-)

      Heh!

      > Anyway - Neil and I explained the whole ship thing
      > in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).

      I did--nice work, guys. It's been a while, though. Is it still on
      the site? I just looked for it to re-read it, but didn't see it in
      the files section.

      > Which, I am sure, is on your timeline book! :-)

      Um...er....hey, how 'bout dem Mets?

      Speaking of the book, I hope to have it available for sale in about a
      week or so. We're just waiting for a proof copy from the printer,
      which should be here this week. Assuming we didn't do anything
      monumentally stupid (and that the printer didn't either), we should be
      good to go very soon. And then it'll be stomach ache time as I sit
      back and wait for everyone to tell me I got it all wrong. LOL
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      Group: potadg Message: 49461 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      .html Message
      I must have removed it during the last big clean up. It's still on Hunter's site though:
       
      Neil
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:23 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

      > Anyway - Neil and I explained the whole ship thing
      > in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).

      I did--nice work, guys. It's been a while, though. Is it still on
      the site? I just looked for it to re-read it, but didn't see it in
      the files section.

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 49462 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      .html Message
      That's what we're here for! ;-)
       
      Neil
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:23 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

      And then it'll be stomach ache time as I sit
      back and wait for everyone to tell me I got it all wrong. LOL

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 49463 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      .html
       
      Possible though unlikely.
      If Z & C are privy to the "Terrible Secret"
      why should it be full of mistakes and inaccuracies?
      If you're going to guard a secret shouldn't it be true?
      Otherwise you're only guarding a bunch of myths and rumors.
       
       
       
      In a message dated 11/11/2008 6:19:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:
      Exactly. Thanks for the back-up. I think it's pretty reasonable to
      attribute the differences between the first two films and the last
      three to historical inaccuracies.



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      Group: potadg Message: 49464 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/11/2008
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
      .html
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   Kim Hunter's Birthday
       
      Date:   Wednesday November 12, 2008
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday Kim!
      (Zira: Planet of the Apes (1968), Beneath the POTA (1970) & Escape from the POTA (1971))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 49465 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      .html

      Rich – it’s gonna happen my friend.

       

      Just know it isn’t personal OK?

       

      I will but it, and I’ll discuss it.  It will be done respectfully and I hope everyone else here can do the same….but we are a strange bunch we APES fans….we all believe something different.

       

      Like Christians….fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions of what we believe.

       

      Don’t take it the wrong way.

       

      And let us know where – and how – we can buy ‘em (eg – PayPal?)

       

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 10:23 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

      > The CIA might have had some ideas! :-)

      Heh!

      > Anyway - Neil and I explained the whole ship thing
      > in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).

      I did--nice work, guys. It's been a while, though. Is it still on
      the site? I just looked for it to re-read it, but didn't see it in
      the files section.

      > Which, I am sure, is on your timeline book! :-)

      Um...er....hey, how 'bout dem Mets?

      Speaking of the book, I hope to have it available for sale in about a
      week or so. We're just waiting for a proof copy from the printer,
      which should be here this week. Assuming we didn't do anything
      monumentally stupid (and that the printer didn't either), we should be
      good to go very soon. And then it'll be stomach ache time as I sit
      back and wait for everyone to tell me I got it all wrong. LOL

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 49466 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
      Subject: Re: Info about the ANSA video
      .html
      .html

      It’s on Hunter’s site now.

       

      Have a read, and see if you like the gentle suggestion that maybe – having found all those ships and how to fly them – Milo MIGHT have the technology to raise and modify and fly Taylor ’s ship.

       

      Not saying that’s what happens, but leaving it as a logical possibility, is how I like to “unflub” (without actually leaving any evidence of “unflubbing”).

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 10:23 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

      > The CIA might have had some ideas! :-)

      Heh!

      > Anyway - Neil and I explained the whole ship thing
      > in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).

      I did--nice work, guys. It's been a while, though. Is it still on
      the site? I just looked for it to re-read it, but didn't see it in
      the files section.

      > Which, I am sure, is on your timeline book! :-)

      Um...er....hey, how 'bout dem Mets?

      Speaking of the book, I hope to have it available for sale in about a
      week or so. We're just waiting for a proof copy from the printer,
      which should be here this week. Assuming we didn't do anything
      monumentally stupid (and that the printer didn't either), we should be
      good to go very soon. And then it'll be stomach ache time as I sit
      back and wait for everyone to tell me I got it all wrong. LOL

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 49467 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/12/2008
      Subject: I mean...
      .html
      .html

      I will buY it

       

      I have a “but” fixation!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 12:07 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

      Rich – it’s gonna happen my friend.

       

      Just know it isn’t personal OK?

       

      I will but it, and I’ll discuss it.  It will be done respectfully and I hope everyone else here can do the same….but we are a strange bunch we APES fans….we all believe something different.

       

      Like Christians….fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions of what we believe.

       

      Don’t take it the wrong way.

       

      And let us know where – and how – we can buy ‘em (eg – PayPal?)

       

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
      Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 10:23 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video

       

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

      > The CIA might have had some ideas! :-)

      Heh!

      > Anyway - Neil and I explained the whole ship thing
      > in WITHIN (did you read that Rich?).

      I did--nice work, guys. It's been a while, though. Is it still on
      the site? I just looked for it to re-read it, but didn't see it in
      the files section.

      > Which, I am sure, is on your timeline book! :-)

      Um...er....hey, how 'bout dem Mets?

      Speaking of the book, I hope to have it available for sale in about a
      week or so. We're just waiting for a proof copy from the printer,
      which should be here this week. Assuming we didn't do anything
      monumentally stupid (and that the printer didn't either), we should be
      good to go very soon. And then it'll be stomach ache time as I sit
      back and wait for everyone to tell me I got it all wrong. LOL

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 49468 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/12/2008
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
      .html
      >Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
      >That's what we're here for! ;-)

      I fully expect as much. :)

      >Posted by: "TZer0@..." TZer0@... LordTZer0
      >Possible though unlikely.
      >If Z & C are privy to the "Terrible Secret"
      >why should it be full of mistakes and inaccuracies?
      >If you're going to guard a secret shouldn't it be true?
      >Otherwise you're only guarding a bunch of myths and rumors.

      That is a good point, of course. But, then, I'm sure that's not
      without precedent in the real world, either.

      >Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@... mike_oz2002
      >Rich - it's gonna happen my friend.
      >Just know it isn't personal OK?

      Oh, it's okay--I fully expect people to disagree with me on some
      major points. All part of the fun.

      >I will but it, and I'll discuss it. It will be done respectfully and I hope
      >everyone else here can do the same..but we are a strange bunch we APES
      >fans..we all believe something different.

      The funny thing is, when Ed Gross first approached me about this
      book, the very first thought that went through my head (aside from
      "Cool!") was "Get ready to be trounced." When it was a free website,
      it didn't really matter much if people agreed with me or not, since
      it was done entirely for my own enjoyment. Now that it's a product
      with a price tag, I recognize that people will feel more of a need to
      let me know if they think I've muffed it all up. It's to be
      expected--and I'm cool with it. It wouldn't be the first time...you
      should have seen what happened back when I first starting writing for
      Lucasfilm. One of my editors misunderstood one point I was making
      and "helpfully" changed it before going to print...and, in the
      process, making me in error, since his change was inaccurate. I
      received tons of e-mails, care of the magazine, telling me I was an idiot. Oy.

      >Like Christians..fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions of
      >what we believe. Don't take it the wrong way.

      Yep! Pretty much what I'm expecting.

      >And let us know where - and how - we can buy 'em (eg - PayPal?)

      It'll be available through Lulu.com, using all payment forms that
      site allows. Originally, it was going to be available at Borders,
      Amazon, and so forth, but Ed Gross' company, Timeline Books, got
      derailed by some issues on his end, so I decided to do this as a
      self-publishing venture.
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      Group: potadg Message: 49469 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/12/2008
      Subject: Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      .html
      I believe it was in the unrated....like I said I just watched a few scenes....


      --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

      > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
      > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 4:11 PM
      > I wonder is the isolated score for the general release of
      > CONQUEST or for
      > the unrated version?
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 1:30 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      >
      >
      >
      > I have the Conquest soundtrack here on itunes....let's
      > see....
      >
      > "Civil Disobediance" and "Revolution"
      > are the ones that are chaotic and you
      > are right they do fit the mood of the riots....It was just
      > odd hearing it in
      > the actual film....and "ape Revolt Begins" has
      > some of that in it as well.
      >
      > and it is "1991 restaurant" that is very
      > strangely playing during those
      > other scenes....I haven't watched the whole isolated
      > score CQ yet..just did
      > some jumping around,....but a lot of what I heard on the
      > isolated score can
      > not be heard on the regular film
      >
      > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, mlccougar <mlccougar@aol.
      > <mailto:mlccougar%40aol.com>
      > com> wrote:
      >
      > > From: mlccougar <mlccougar@aol.
      > <mailto:mlccougar%40aol.com> com>
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest on Blu-Ray
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.
      > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
      > > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:36 AM
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
      > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Tim
      > > \"apefan\""
      > <apefan23@...>
      > > wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Something else that's odd...the soundtrack.
      > Listening
      > > to the CD there
      > > is an extended cut of odd percussion that really
      > isn't
      > > pleasant to
      > > listen to and I had never known where this came in to
      > the
      > > film. In
      > > the blu-ray it is clearly heard during the
      > > riots...overpowering the
      > > gunshots sometimes....
      > >
      > > *** I like both of the "riot" tracks,
      > especially
      > > the one you're
      > > referring to... I forget it's title, but
      > you're
      > > talking about the one
      > > with what sounds like "swarming bees" or
      > wind or
      > > something right? I
      > > wished it had been in the released cut of the film,
      > rather
      > > than using
      > > the same brass heavy track repeated over and over... I
      > > suppose
      > > repeating the same stuff over sounded okay, but the
      > one
      > > that I think
      > > you're referring to is cooler in that it seems to
      > > convey the sense of
      > > craziness and confusion, etc. ***
      > >
      > >
      > > And in the isolated score there are some very odd
      > > choices... When
      > > Caesar is witnessing the unfairness for the first time
      > > there is a
      > > cheery bouncy song similar to the "shopping"
      > song
      > > in Escape, it can
      > > not be heard in the film so I don't know why
      > it's
      > > there.
      > >
      > > *** You're not talking about that "1991
      > > Restaurant" are you? Worst
      > > track of the CONQUEST score... ***
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      Group: potadg Message: 49470 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/13/2008
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
      .html
      .html Message
      Rich, you have my full respect and admiration for for what you are about to possibly put up with.  It is unfortunate but I have found over the past few years that we Apes fans can be some of the hardest people on the planet to please, no matter what we are presented with.
       
      Neil
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:31 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3567


      >Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@bigpond. com munkeyman63au
      >That's what we're here for! ;-)

      I fully expect as much. :)

      >Posted by: "TZer0@..." TZer0@... LordTZer0
      >Possible though unlikely.
      >If Z & C are privy to the "Terrible Secret"
      >why should it be full of mistakes and inaccuracies?
      >If you're going to guard a secret shouldn't it be true?
      >Otherwise you're only guarding a bunch of myths and rumors.

      That is a good point, of course. But, then, I'm sure that's not
      without precedent in the real world, either.

      >Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@ bigpond.com mike_oz2002
      >Rich - it's gonna happen my friend.
      >Just know it isn't personal OK?

      Oh, it's okay--I fully expect people to disagree with me on some
      major points. All part of the fun.

      >I will but it, and I'll discuss it. It will be done respectfully and I hope
      >everyone else here can do the same..but we are a strange bunch we APES
      >fans..we all believe something different.

      The funny thing is, when Ed Gross first approached me about this
      book, the very first thought that went through my head (aside from
      "Cool!") was "Get ready to be trounced." When it was a free website,
      it didn't really matter much if people agreed with me or not, since
      it was done entirely for my own enjoyment. Now that it's a product
      with a price tag, I recognize that people will feel more of a need to
      let me know if they think I've muffed it all up. It's to be
      expected--and I'm cool with it. It wouldn't be the first time...you
      should have seen what happened back when I first starting writing for
      Lucasfilm. One of my editors misunderstood one point I was making
      and "helpfully" changed it before going to print...and, in the
      process, making me in error, since his change was inaccurate. I
      received tons of e-mails, care of the magazine, telling me I was an idiot. Oy.

      >Like Christians.. fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions of
      >what we believe. Don't take it the wrong way.

      Yep! Pretty much what I'm expecting.

      >And let us know where - and how - we can buy 'em (eg - PayPal?)

      It'll be available through Lulu.com, using all payment forms that
      site allows. Originally, it was going to be available at Borders,
      Amazon, and so forth, but Ed Gross' company, Timeline Books, got
      derailed by some issues on his end, so I decided to do this as a
      self-publishing venture.

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 49471 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/13/2008
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
      .html
      .html

      Like, for example, unrated Conquest.

       

      The holy grail has been delivered and there are people here debating costs?

       

      Rich – you are using proceed to get a Blu-Ray right?  J

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 10:39 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3567

       

      Rich, you have my full respect and admiration for for what you are about to possibly put up with.  It is unfortunate but I have found over the past few years that we Apes fans can be some of the hardest people on the planet to please, no matter what we are presented with.

       

      Neil

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:31 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3567


      >Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@bigpond. com munkeyman63au
      >That's what we're here for! ;-)

      I fully expect as much. :)

      >Posted by: "TZer0@..." TZer0@... LordTZer0
      >Possible though unlikely.
      >If Z & C are privy to the "Terrible Secret"
      >why should it be full of mistakes and inaccuracies?
      >If you're going to guard a secret shouldn't it be true?
      >Otherwise you're only guarding a bunch of myths and rumors.

      That is a good point, of course. But, then, I'm sure that's not
      without precedent in the real world, either.

      >Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@ bigpond.com mike_oz2002
      >Rich - it's gonna happen my friend.
      >Just know it isn't personal OK?

      Oh, it's okay--I fully expect people to disagree with me on some
      major points. All part of the fun.

      >I will but it, and I'll discuss it. It will be done respectfully and I hope
      >everyone else here can do the same..but we are a strange bunch we APES
      >fans..we all believe something different.

      The funny thing is, when Ed Gross first approached me about this
      book, the very first thought that went through my head (aside from
      "Cool!") was "Get ready to be trounced." When it was a free website,
      it didn't really matter much if people agreed with me or not, since
      it was done entirely for my own enjoyment. Now that it's a product
      with a price tag, I recognize that people will feel more of a need to
      let me know if they think I've muffed it all up. It's to be
      expected--and I'm cool with it. It wouldn't be the first time...you
      should have seen what happened back when I first starting writing for
      Lucasfilm. One of my editors misunderstood one point I was making
      and "helpfully" changed it before going to print...and, in the
      process, making me in error, since his change was inaccurate. I
      received tons of e-mails, care of the magazine, telling me I was an idiot. Oy.

      >Like Christians.. fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions of
      >what we believe. Don't take it the wrong way.

      Yep! Pretty much what I'm expecting.

      >And let us know where - and how - we can buy 'em (eg - PayPal?)

      It'll be available through Lulu.com, using all payment forms that
      site allows. Originally, it was going to be available at Borders,
      Amazon, and so forth, but Ed Gross' company, Timeline Books, got
      derailed by some issues on his end, so I decided to do this as a
      self-publishing venture.

      .



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      Group: potadg Message: 49472 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/13/2008
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
      .html
      .html Message
      There are people out there at this very moment complaining about almost everything, it's bloody unbelievable. Apes is dead and buried with a tiny fan base and we still get new stuff, what more do people want?!
       
      Neil
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:53 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3567

      Like, for example, unrated Conquest.

      The holy grail has been delivered and there are people here debating costs?

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 49473 From: rassmguy Date: 11/13/2008
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 3567
      .html
      Thanks, Neil. And you're absolutely right. :)


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > Rich, you have my full respect and admiration for for what you are about
      > to possibly put up with. It is unfortunate but I have found over the
      > past few years that we Apes fans can be some of the hardest people on
      > the planet to please, no matter what we are presented with.
      >
      > Neil
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
      > Of Rich Handley
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:31 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3567
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@bigpond.
      > <mailto:ntfoster%40bigpond.com> com munkeyman63au
      > >That's what we're here for! ;-)
      >
      > I fully expect as much. :)
      >
      > >Posted by: "TZer0@... <mailto:TZer0%40aol.com> " TZer0@...
      > <mailto:TZer0%40aol.com> LordTZer0
      > >Possible though unlikely.
      > >If Z & C are privy to the "Terrible Secret"
      > >why should it be full of mistakes and inaccuracies?
      > >If you're going to guard a secret shouldn't it be true?
      > >Otherwise you're only guarding a bunch of myths and rumors.
      >
      > That is a good point, of course. But, then, I'm sure that's not
      > without precedent in the real world, either.
      >
      > >Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@
      > <mailto:sallywhitty%40bigpond.com> bigpond.com mike_oz2002
      > >Rich - it's gonna happen my friend.
      > >Just know it isn't personal OK?
      >
      > Oh, it's okay--I fully expect people to disagree with me on some
      > major points. All part of the fun.
      >
      > >I will but it, and I'll discuss it. It will be done respectfully and I
      > hope
      > >everyone else here can do the same..but we are a strange bunch we APES
      > >fans..we all believe something different.
      >
      > The funny thing is, when Ed Gross first approached me about this
      > book, the very first thought that went through my head (aside from
      > "Cool!") was "Get ready to be trounced." When it was a free website,
      > it didn't really matter much if people agreed with me or not, since
      > it was done entirely for my own enjoyment. Now that it's a product
      > with a price tag, I recognize that people will feel more of a need to
      > let me know if they think I've muffed it all up. It's to be
      > expected--and I'm cool with it. It wouldn't be the first time...you
      > should have seen what happened back when I first starting writing for
      > Lucasfilm. One of my editors misunderstood one point I was making
      > and "helpfully" changed it before going to print...and, in the
      > process, making me in error, since his change was inaccurate. I
      > received tons of e-mails, care of the magazine, telling me I was an
      > idiot. Oy.
      >
      > >Like Christians..fundamentally the same but all unique in our versions
      > of
      > >what we believe. Don't take it the wrong way.
      >
      > Yep! Pretty much what I'm expecting.
      >
      > >And let us know where - and how - we can buy 'em (eg - PayPal?)
      >
      > It'll be available through Lulu.com, using all payment forms that
      > site allows. Originally, it was going to be available at Borders,
      > Amazon, and so forth, but Ed Gross' company, Timeline Books, got
      > derailed by some issues on his end, so I decided to do this as a
      > self-publishing venture.
      >
      > .
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 49474 From: rassmguy Date: 11/13/2008
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
      <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
      > Rich - you are using proceed to get a Blu-Ray right? :-)

      Well, if I can find a Blu-Ray player for the $6 I expect to make on
      this book, then absolutely. :)
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      Group: potadg Message: 49475 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/14/2008
      Subject: Sideshow Premium Format figures
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      Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone familiar with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see these later on on ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive? I've gotten screwed on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't have to spend all this money i'd rather not!!

      http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141
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      Group: potadg Message: 49476 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/14/2008
      Subject: Re: Sideshow Premium Format figures
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      Hi Tim

       

      Who knows?  You don’t see these around for sale, but maybe that’s because they have done SW and ST and pother seriously popular stuff until now.

       

      If I can, I’ll be getting this just because it is so wonderful.

       

      I’m only now getting the Sideshows –would you believe? – and I’m getting them for $30 AUS ($20US) each…including URSUS!!!

       

      BUT – I missed the special editions, and can’t find them anywhere now.

       

      How many of these Zaius figures are they making?

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
      Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 4:31 AM
      To: POTA; POTA DG
      Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow Premium Format figures

       

      Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone familiar with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see these later on on ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive? I've gotten screwed on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't have to spend all this money i'd rather not!!

      http://www.sideshow toy.com/? page_id=4489& sku=75141

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      Group: potadg Message: 49479 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/14/2008
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      Six years!

       

      So is anybody going to wish the group a happy birthday?

       


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        Group: potadg Message: 49481 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/15/2008
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        Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

        Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

         

        www.potacollective.com/escape.jpg

         

        www.potacollective.com/escape2.jpg

         

        The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

         

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        Group: potadg Message: 49482 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/15/2008
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        Oh! And Happy B-Day. :o)
         
        Al


        From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:36:32 AM
        Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos

        Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

        Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

         

        The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

         

        Al 




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        Group: potadg Message: 49483 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/15/2008
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        Interesting date behind them in side view one.
         
        Neil
         
        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:37 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos

        Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

        Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

         

        The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

        .

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        Group: potadg Message: 49484 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/15/2008
        Subject: Re: Escape photos
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        > www.potacollective.com/escape2.jpg

        I used a shot similar to that one for the menus on the first Rarities
        DVD.

        Hunter
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        Group: potadg Message: 49485 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
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        six great years! Here's wishing many more!


        --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

        > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Birthday Reminder
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        > Six years!
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        Group: potadg Message: 49486 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
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        SHIT!

         

        Patrick, did you see the clock in the background of the first pic?

         

        And that second pic – the ship is vibrating and through the window you and see the earth has exploded!  Looks like it wasn’t just SHOT but that effects were added too.

         

        COOL!

        Thanks Al.

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
        Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 11:37 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos

         

        Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

        Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

         

        The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

         

        Al 

         

         

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        Group: potadg Message: 49487 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
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        Yes indeed.

         

        What was the date on TAYLOR ’S ship?

         

        And wasn’t the date meter in Taylor’s ship in a different position?

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
        Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 11:42 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos

         

        Interesting date behind them in side view one.

         

        Neil

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:37 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos

        Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

        Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

         

        www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

         

        The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

        .



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        Group: potadg Message: 49488 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
        Subject: Re: Sideshow Premium Format figures
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        there will be two Zaius'sesses the only difference is the Exclusive one is holding the doll.....I am just going to get the regular one....


        --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

        > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Sideshow Premium Format figures
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:06 PM
        > Hi Tim
        >
        >
        >
        > Who knows? You don't see these around for sale, but
        > maybe that's because
        > they have done SW and ST and pother seriously popular stuff
        > until now.
        >
        >
        >
        > If I can, I'll be getting this just because it is so
        > wonderful.
        >
        >
        >
        > I'm only now getting the Sideshows -would you believe?
        > - and I'm getting
        > them for $30 AUS ($20US) each.including URSUS!!!
        >
        >
        >
        > BUT - I missed the special editions, and can't find
        > them anywhere now.
        >
        >
        >
        > How many of these Zaius figures are they making?
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > Tim "apefan"
        > Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 4:31 AM
        > To: POTA; POTA DG
        > Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow Premium Format figures
        >
        >
        >
        > Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is
        > anyone familiar
        > with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see
        > these later on on
        > ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive?
        > I've gotten screwed
        > on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't have
        > to spend all this
        > money i'd rather not!!
        >
        > http://www.sideshow
        > <http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141>
        > toy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141
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        Group: potadg Message: 49489 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/15/2008
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        plus Milo must have rearranged the seats as three are side by side !


        --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

        > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:25 PM
        > Yes indeed.
        >
        >
        >
        > What was the date on TAYLOR'S ship?
        >
        >
        >
        > And wasn't the date meter in Taylor's ship in a
        > different position?
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > Neil Foster
        > Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 11:42 PM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        >
        >
        >
        > Interesting date behind them in side view one.
        >
        >
        >
        > Neil
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > Alex Ruiz
        > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:37 PM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        >
        > Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.
        >
        > Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.
        >
        >
        >
        > www.potacollective.
        > <http://www.potacollective.com/escape.jpg>
        > com/escape.jpg
        >
        >
        >
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        > <http://www.potacollective.com/escape2.jpg>
        > com/escape2.jpg
        >
        >
        >
        > The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the
        > scene was shot but
        > they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our
        > ape-o-naut friends
        > removed their helmets on the beach.
        >
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        Group: potadg Message: 49490 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/15/2008
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        Who has read the POTA Unofficial Companion and the POTA Chronicles books? I got them from the library and both have their good points. I like the Chronicles' timeline attempt although obviously not everyone will agree with it. (I now sometimes think of a spiral timeline...the events post-Caesar were similar but speeded up or something, rather than exactly as before, although it's obvious the filmmakers wanted a circle) It's interesting also to read about the comics that were produced. Oh and the info on the Planet of the Men script. The POTAUC has interesting reviews and trivia at least, and an other timeline attempt. ALthough I don't get how theirs continues for two events after Earth was destroyed...that part is wierd.

        I was just curious about what your opinions were on the books now that I've read them. I can't wait for the new book to come out, it sounds even better.

        Thanks
        Mel, who wishes she could afford the Ultimate DVD collection
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        Group: potadg Message: 49491 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/15/2008
        Subject: Re Books
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        Wow, I didn't know that the unofficial companion had so many errors until I read the Amazon reviews. I caught some things but not others. I also liked POTA Revisited, it was good.

        Mel
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        Group: potadg Message: 49492 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
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        Neil and I were discussing this on the weekend and I think we agreed that a few different film makers had a few different ideas and while it is meant o be circular (ie Taylor will arrive in the future of Battle ) we both think it’s obvious that they were always leaving it open to change.  Would most of us agree?  Otherwise they would have hit us with it like a brick where things were going and not have a gentle bleeding tear to SUGGEST that MAYBE things were still going to go wrong in the future.

         

        I mean the end of BATTLE does NOT seem pessimistic, depending how you interpret the tear…maybe it’s just saying Caesar gave his blood and life and first born to see the happy humans and apes in school together?

         

        I don’t think we can really say what the filmmakers wanted – if they were smart they wanted whateve was open to the best sequel and while Battle was supposed to conclude things, there was already talk of a sequel only a few years later and many scripts were considered.

         

        Michael

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ChicagoMel
        Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 3:20 PM
        To: potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Books

         

        Who has read the POTA Unofficial Companion and the POTA Chronicles books? I got them from the library and both have their good points. I like the Chronicles' timeline attempt although obviously not everyone will agree with it. (I now sometimes think of a spiral timeline...the events post-Caesar were similar but speeded up or something, rather than exactly as before, although it's obvious the filmmakers wanted a circle) It's interesting also to read about the comics that were produced.  Oh and the info on the Planet of the Men script. The POTAUC has interesting reviews and trivia at least, and an other timeline attempt. ALthough I don't get how theirs continues for two events after Earth was destroyed... that part is wierd.

        I was just curious about what your opinions were on the books now that I've read them. I can't wait for the new book to come out, it sounds even better.

        Thanks
        Mel, who wishes she could afford the Ultimate DVD collection

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        Group: potadg Message: 49493 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/15/2008
        Subject: Re: Re Books
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        ??

         

        What errors Mel?

         

        Michael

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ChicagoMel
        Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 3:31 PM
        To: potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re Books

         

        Wow, I didn't know that the unofficial companion had so many errors until I read the Amazon reviews. I caught some things but not others. I also liked POTA Revisited, it was good.

        Mel

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        Group: potadg Message: 49494 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/16/2008
        Subject: Re: Escape photos
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        I think the little robot did some redecorating, he had some spare
        time! Isn't that a very human-looking hand in the second photo?

        I know this ship was shown in some detail in the TV series, but was
        the interior built especially for this scene from Escape?

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
        >
        > plus Milo must have rearranged the seats as three are side by side !
        >
        >
        > --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
        > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:25 PM
        > > Yes indeed.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > What was the date on TAYLOR'S ship?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > And wasn't the date meter in Taylor's ship in a
        > > different position?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > > Neil Foster
        > > Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 11:42 PM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Interesting date behind them in side view one.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Neil
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > > Alex Ruiz
        > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:37 PM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > >
        > > Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.
        > >
        > > Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > www.potacollective.
        > > <http://www.potacollective.com/escape.jpg>
        > > com/escape.jpg
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > www.potacollective.
        > > <http://www.potacollective.com/escape2.jpg>
        > > com/escape2.jpg
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the
        > > scene was shot but
        > > they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our
        > > ape-o-naut friends
        > > removed their helmets on the beach.
        > >
        > > .
        > >
        > >
        > > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
        s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
        > > =49481/stime=1226756195/nc1=5008817/nc2=3848621/nc3=3858797>
        >
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        Group: potadg Message: 49495 From: knightangel314 Date: 11/16/2008
        Subject: Re: Re Books
        .html
        --I have to admit I was going by the Amazon.com reviews, although I
        know they seem to have way too many negative ones no matter what book
        you're looking at.

        I did catch the mistake in quoting Zira's line from Escape about
        loathing bananas...

        I hope there aren't too many errors, it was an okay read.

        Mel

        - In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
        <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
        >
        > ??
        >
        >
        >
        > What errors Mel?
        >
        >
        >
        > Michael
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of
        > ChicagoMel
        > Sent: Sunday, 16 November 2008 3:31 PM
        > To: potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [PotaDG] Re Books
        >
        >
        >
        > Wow, I didn't know that the unofficial companion had so many errors
        until I
        > read the Amazon reviews. I caught some things but not others. I
        also liked
        > POTA Revisited, it was good.
        >
        > Mel
        >
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        Group: potadg Message: 49496 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: Escape photos
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        It is a human hand!  I missed that.

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
        Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 9:20 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Escape photos

         

        I think the little robot did some redecorating, he had some spare
        time! Isn't that a very human-looking hand in the second photo?

        I know this ship was shown in some detail in the TV series, but was
        the interior built especially for this scene from Escape?

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:

        >
        > plus Milo must have rearranged the seats
        as three are side by side !
        >
        >
        > --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@ ...>
        wrote:
        >
        > > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@ ...>
        > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        > > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:25 PM
        > > Yes indeed.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > What was the date on TAYLOR 'S
        ship?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > And wasn't the date meter in Taylor 's
        ship in a
        > > different position?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
        On Behalf Of
        > > Neil Foster
        > > Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2008 11:42 PM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Interesting date behind them in side view one.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Neil
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com]
        On Behalf Of
        > > Alex Ruiz
        > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:37 PM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        > > Subject: [PotaDG] Escape photos
        > >
        > > Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.
        > >
        > > Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping
        the Planet of the Apes.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > www.potacollective.
        > > <http://www.potacoll ective.com/ escape.jpg>
        > > com/escape.jpg
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > www.potacollective.
        > > <http://www.potacoll ective.com/ escape2.jpg>
        > > com/escape2. jpg
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the
        > > scene was shot but
        > > they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our
        > > ape-o-naut friends
        > > removed their helmets on the beach.
        > >
        > > .
        > >
        > >
        > > <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv?
        s=97359714/grpId= 8605785/grpspId= 1705021437/ msgId
        > > =49481/stime= 1226756195/ nc1=5008817/ nc2=3848621/ nc3=3858797>
        >

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        Group: potadg Message: 49497 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: What's another word for Bullsh*t?
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:
        >
        >
        > I know. He asks for evidence for a female orang.
        > Where's his proof for a third ship. No offence Patrick.
        >
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        Group: potadg Message: 49498 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
        >
        > So if this thing is on an official Fox release does that mean it is
        > canon?
        >
        > Neil
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        Group: potadg Message: 49499 From: rassmguy Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
        .html
        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
        <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
        > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
        > > So if this thing is on an official Fox release does that mean it is
        > > canon?
        > NO!!!
        > Patrick

        I don't see any reason why it needs to be discounted. The ANSA film
        is the first new Apes footage from the classic era that we've had in
        decades, and it contains a lot of fascinating info--plus, it's from
        Fox. Why toss it out?
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        Group: potadg Message: 49500 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: Escape photos
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
        <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
        >
        > SHIT!
        > Patrick, did you see the clock in the background of the first pic?
        >
        > And that second pic - the ship is vibrating and through the window
        you see the earth has exploded! Looks like it wasn't just SHOT but
        that effects were added too.
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        Group: potadg Message: 49501 From: Patrick Tilton Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
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        Why toss it out? Because it contradicts info in PLANET. They have Taylor's ship voyaging to Alpha Centauri, "four lightyears" away. But Taylor tells Landon that they've travelled "320 lightyears from Earth" to "an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the constellation of Orion." The monkeys who made this ANSA psa thingy probably confused dialogue from Virdon in the TV pilot [which DID involve a trip to Alpha Centauri] with the plot of the film... or they perused the "LAST FLIGHT OF THE ICARUS" site (www.goingfaster.com ) and uncritically swallowed the scenario cooked up by Mister "Ansanaut"...
         
        This ANSA psa "extra" is amusing... but it isn't and cannot be "canon" buddy!
         
        Patrick

        --- On Mon, 11/17/08, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:
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        Group: potadg Message: 49502 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
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        That’s not Patrick folks – one word….no way!

         

        IMPOSTER!  J

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
        Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 1:43 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: ANSA public service announcement

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:

        >
        > So if this thing is on an official Fox release does that mean it is
        > canon?
        >
        > Neil
        ____________ _________ _________ _________

        NO!!!

        Patrick

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        Group: potadg Message: 49503 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
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        Is it really from the classic era?

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of rassmguy
        Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 3:07 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: ANSA public service announcement

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "patrickmichaeltilt on"
        <patrickmichaeltilt on@...> wrote:

        > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
        "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
        > > So if this thing is on an official Fox release does that mean it is
        > > canon?
        > NO!!!
        > Patrick

        I don't see any reason why it needs to be discounted. The ANSA film
        is the first new Apes footage from the classic era that we've had in
        decades, and it contains a lot of fascinating info--plus, it's from
        Fox. Why toss it out?

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        Group: potadg Message: 49504 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: Escape photos
        .html
        .html

        Ahhhh….there’s Patrick!  J

         


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
        Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 3:55 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Escape photos

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
        <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

        >
        > SHIT!
        > Patrick, did you see the clock in the background of the first pic?
        >
        > And that second pic - the ship is vibrating and through the window
        you see the earth has exploded! Looks like it wasn't just SHOT but
        that effects were added too.
        ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______

        *** Yes, indeed, I did see the EARTH-TIME date of Doomsday. There's a
        better still-image in the ESCAPE documentary showing that BOTH of the
        clocks read this same date: 11-23-3955.

        It is because of this new information -- stuff which interests me
        even more than the Unrated CONQUEST cut in this BR set! -- that I've
        had to revise my own POTA timeline.

        To review, my Timeline is based on the notion that the ANSA Orion
        Mission (i.e. Taylor, Brent, others, etc) zipped back to Earth the
        same way that Virdon's Alpha Centauri mission did: somebody activated
        the EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE ["EHD"]. Both missions didn't
        just "happen" to arrive back at planet Earth: there was a gizmo on
        these ANSA vehicles which specifically carried out a navigational
        program that sent them back to the XYZ-T coordinates of Earth.

        Virdon's ship -- trapped in a timewarping orbit around a Black Hole
        orbiting Alpha Centauri A -- first zips ahead to the date 7-14-3085
        (as seen in the Opening Credits)... and then -- after Jones activates
        the EHD -- they zip BANG-ZOOM back to Earth and land... the EARTH-
        TIME clock then registering the date 3-21-3085 due to the fact that
        activating their warpdrive in the proximity of a Black Hole caused
        them to travel not only the 4.34 lightyear distance back to Earth,
        but also INTO THE PAST. From 7-14-3085 back to 3-21-3085.

        We don't know what TIME-OF-DAY on each of those dates that this Jump
        backwards thru Time happens, but it's around 115 days of EARTH-TIME,
        give or take nearly a day. The time period including 3-22-3085 and 7-
        13-3085 (and all the time in-between) is exactly 114 Earth-Days.
        Depending on WHEN the ship began its journey back to Earth and WHEN
        it arrived back on Earth, we can add up to 11 hours or so for each
        day, or we can add as little as, say, 1 hour to each day. There's a
        range of time to finagle with, here.

        I maintain that the Orion Mission zips back to Earth at the same rate
        of Earth-Days per Lightyear. Thus, if Virdon's ship zips backwards
        through Time about 115 Earth-Days during its 4.34 lightyear jump,
        then Taylor's ship would zip backwards 320 LY divided by 4.34 LY
        multiplied by 115 Earth-Days (or so).

        I've had to move the dates of PLANET and BENEATH upwards several
        months, since initially I had planned on jiggering it so that Taylor
        lands on 7-01-3955... the rainless Thunder/Lightning storm happens 2
        days later [when the Black-Hole-that- once-was- the-Moon is at the New
        Moon position between the Sun and the Earth], on 7-03-3955... and the
        Hunt occurs on the 4th of July (for symbolic reasons).

        Thus, I was gonna have Doomsday be on 9-11-3955, also for symbolic
        reasons. And this chronology "worked" just fine... until this new Blu-
        Ray set shows us a pic with both clocks reading 11-23-3955 as the
        date of Doomsday!

        So... I've had to rejigger the chronology. I'm now having Taylor 's
        ship land in Dead Lake on 9-27-3955, which is 2 days before the Sun-
        Moon-Earth alignment of 9-29-3955, and the Hunt will be on 9-30-3955.

        Thus, with Doomsday on 11-23-3955 and Taylor's landing on 9-27-3955
        (after having been at their Orion destination on 11-25-3978, the date
        still recorded on the sole EARTH-TIME clock -- in the shuttle in
        which Taylor hibernated -- which did NOT register the back-through-
        time Jump), the amount of backwards Time Travel the Orion Mission
        experiences is 8,460 Earth-Days, from 11-25-3978 back to 9-27-3955.

        Plugging that specific number into my equation, I now get:

        8460 x 4.34 = 36716.4 = 320 x 114.73875

        In other words, if the same phenomenon is causing both the Orion
        Mission AND the Centauri Mission to go backwards through Time at a
        rate of 26.4375 negative Earth-Days per Lightyear, then
        Taylor/Maddox/ etc go back 8460 days [from 11-25-3978 to 9-27-3955]
        and Virdon goes back 114 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes, 48 seconds
        EXACTLY. The ratio of lightyear distances [4.34 and 320] exactly
        matches the ratio of Time travelled (negatively) : 114.73875-to- 8460.

        You'll notice that both chronometers read the same date: 11-23-3955.
        This can only be due to the fact that SOMEBODY had to have RE-SET the
        SHIP-TIME clock so that its date matched the EARTH-TIME date. In the
        PLANET intro scene, we see that "in less than an hour" of Ship-Time
        Taylor will have been in Deep Space for 6 months -- the SHIP-TIME
        clock reading 7-14-1972, meaning that he was in an ANSA ship that
        launched from Cape Kennedy on 1-14-1972 OR (just possibly) right at
        the start of 1-15-1972, since Taylor's Final Report might have been
        made less than an hour before Midnight of 7-14-1972 (Ship-Time).

        Taylor's trip began when BOTH clocks were synchronized [with the date
        1-14-1972 or 1-15-1972 on them], and as the ship warped out of the
        Solar System towards its destination 320 lightyears away, the SHIP-
        TIME clock clicked forward at the ordinary rate from their "self-
        time" point-of-view whilst the EARTH-TIME clock clicked forward at a
        faster rate, averaging 1,337.90666. .. Time-Units for every Time-Unit
        of SHIP-TIME. The grand total of EARTH-TIME goes from mid-January
        1972 to 11-25-3978 (i.e. 2006.86 years of Earth-Time), which is
        equivalent to "18 months" -- or, 1.5 years -- of Ship-Time. And,
        2006.86 divided by 1.5 gives us 1,337.90666. ..

        Thus, when they landed -- after 18 months of SHIP-TIME -- their SHIP-
        TIME clock should have read 7-15-1973. From mid-January 1972 to mid-
        July 1973. And, during the events of PLANET and BENEATH, that Ship-
        Time clock should click forwards at the ordinary rate of Time in a
        non-accelerating frame-of-reference. If Doomsday occurs 58 days after
        Taylor 's landing date (as it now does in my rejiggered chronology),
        then the SHIP-TIME clock SHOULD read 58 days AFTER 7-15-1973... which
        just so happens to be 9-11-1973. It seems that the SHIP-TIME date of
        Doomsday actually is "9-11" after all! I can still keep that symbolic
        date, but of SHIP-TIME, not EARTH-TIME.

        Yet somebody had to have RE-SET that Ship-Time clock, so that it no
        longer reads "9-11-1973" but, instead, matches the Earth-Time date of
        11-23-3955.

        I maintain that a similar re-setting of a SHIP-TIME clock had to have
        occurred in Virdon's ship. The 2 clocks should've had the same date
        when he and Burke (and Jones) were at Cape Kennedy ... the 2 clocks
        diverging during their journey through Outer Space at warp speeds. In
        my scenario, Virdon's ship was one of the two ships said to
        be "missing" by the President in ESCAPE, having left Earth "more than
        two years ago." We know [well, I know!] that ESCAPE takes place in
        late November of 1973, since Armando named Heloise's baby "Salome"
        because she had been born on October 22nd, St. Salome's Day according
        to the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar, which was "a month before
        the talking apes arrived on Earth." Taylor 's launch date was 1-14-
        1972 or 1-15-1972, which is NOT "more than 2 years" prior to November
        of 1973. The OTHER of 2 ships the President refers to MUST have left
        BEFORE Taylor 's ship launched. Sometime before November of 1971. In
        my scenario, Virdon and Burke leave for Alpha Centauri in either
        October or possibly September of 1971.

        With both chronometers reading, say, "9-24-1971" on their launch-
        date, the SHIP-TIME clock would click ahead for them like any
        ordinary wind-up clock... but their EARTH-TIME clock would click
        ahead FASTER. When they arrived at their destination, the 2 clocks
        would have diverged at least 9 years of EARTH-TIME, so that the EARTH-
        TIME clock reads 8-19-1980.

        Incidentally, if Taylor 's ship had gone to Alpha Centauri, its EARTH-
        TIME clock would read 27.218 Earth-Time years after 1-14/15-1972. If
        they go from, say, 1-14-1972 to 11-25-3978 (a duration of 2006.86
        EARTH-TIME years) for 320 lightyears, then they would experience an
        EARTH-TIME duration of 27.218 years if they had gone only 4.34
        lightyears. In my scenario, the reason Taylor 's ship experiences a
        different rate of EARTH-to-SHIP timeflow-per- lightyear than Virdon's
        ship is because the Orion Mission has to lug around more mass within
        its warpfield: a Mothership plus 3 ANSA spaceplane-shuttles , as
        opposed to the sole ANSA spaceplane-shuttle piloted by Burke.

        Before the beginning of the TV credits sequence, then, the SHIP-TIME
        clock must have read a date in late 1971 (September or October).
        Their ship was not equipped with hibernation pods (etc), and the
        duration of their voyage ["self-time" which is the same as SHIP-TIME]
        had to have been possible without the inclusion of many many days,
        weeks, or months of food supplies. After all, they're depicted in one
        single small cabin! There were no spacesuits in their ship... no
        access hatches to other "rooms" or any of that. Their purported round-
        trip fly-by of the Alpha Centauri system would've had a duration of
        only a few days of SHIP-TIME, tops; and, if it had gone according to
        plan, they would've arrived back on Earth after it had aged upwards
        of 18 years of EARTH-TIME, they having aged only a few days due to
        the relativistic Time Dilation effects according to Dr. Hasslein's
        Theory of Time in a Vehicle travelling nearly the Speed of Light...

        But... just before the TV credit sequence starts, somebody had to
        have RE-SET the SHIP-TIME clock so that the date on it matched the
        EARTH-TIME date they had "fast-forwarded" to: 8-19-1980. And THEN
        they experienced the Time Dilation effects caused by approaching too
        near to the Black Hole lurking in the Alpha Centauri system, time-
        warping them ahead to the EARTH-TIME date 7-14-3085 in about half a
        minute of SHIP-TIME. And THEN Jones activated the EHD, and they
        jumped through hyperspace a spatial distance of 4.34 lightyears and a
        temporal distance of minus 114.73875 Earth-Days. The EARTH-TIME
        clock, which must have been PROGRAMMED to correct itself to the true
        date when the ship's computer "knows" that they've travelled
        backwards through Time relative to the Universe, then clicked
        backwards from 7-14-3085 to 3-21-3085... the date that
        became "locked" in when Veska's gorillas smashed up the interior of
        the ship, so that Virdon and Burke saw it there the next day AND more
        than a week later at the episode's end, when Virdon retrieved the
        Flight Record Disc.

        We know that these clocks can and do click BACKWARDS when they travel
        backwards through Time. Milo reminds Cornelius and Zira of this
        effect, you'll recall. The Apes first saw the "date meter" display
        the year "3955" on it before the Bright Light and the Tornado [a date
        we now know to have been 11-23-3955, the 23rd of November of 3955].
        And AFTER the "tornado in the sky" the clock read "1973" (as Zira
        told Hasslein). Milo saw this, too, and mentions "We have gone
        backwards through Time nearly two thousand years." He KNEW it
        was "nearly" 2,000 years because -- as a scientific genius -- he knew
        how to subtract 1972 from 3955!

        I only wish that this Blu-Ray edition would've shown the entire
        footage of the scene that they filmed. Presumably, it would've
        depicted the EARTH-TIME clock clicking backwards until it read some
        date in 1973. I'm confident that the date is somewhere about 11-21-
        1973 give or take half-a-week. The events of ESCAPE are over about a
        week, I figure, halfway between St. Salome's Day [October 22] and the
        start of Winter [December 21st or 22nd]. Baby Milo [i.e. Caesar] is
        born about "a month" after the birth of Salome and about "a month"
        before the Circus travels to Florida for the winter.

        I gotta clear through more emails (I'm a few weeks behind), so I'll
        leave it at this for now.

        Patrick

        PS I'm miffed that the CONQUEST prologue scene isn't in the Unrated
        version. It's in the script... in John Jakes' novelization. .. in
        MARVEL's adaptation.. . WHY ISN'T IT IN THIS UNRATED VERSION??? Argh!
        Breck references it in the movie ["... that ape who was killed trying
        to escape the city last night..."], dammit! Why didn't they include
        it??? Argh!!!

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        Group: potadg Message: 49505 From: TZer0@aol.com Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: What's another word for Bullsh*t?
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        Well, with all the weird science in POTA
        why not a duplicate ship that popped into
        existence by a rip in the time space
        continuum?  As logical as the rest.
         
         
        In a message dated 11/17/2008 9:34:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
        I could go on and on, but why bother?



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        Group: potadg Message: 49506 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
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        > Is it really from the classic era?

        It's supposed to be set then (as opposed to POTA2K1), but it's a new
        production, designed to look "old."

        Hunter
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        Group: potadg Message: 49507 From: rassmguy Date: 11/17/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
        .html
        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Patrick Tilton
        <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
        > Why toss it out? Because it contradicts info in PLANET.

        Yeah, but every one of the films contradicts every one of the other
        films. It's not like any of them are consistent with the ones before
        them.
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        Group: potadg Message: 49508 From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com Date: 11/18/2008
        Subject: Re: ANSA public service announcement
        .html
        Attachments :

          ...or after them....
           


          On 18/11/2008 3:35 PM rassmguy wrote:

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Tilton wrote: > Why toss it out? Because it contradicts info in PLANET. Yeah, but every one of the films contradicts every one of the other films. It's not like any of them are consistent with the ones before them.
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          Group: potadg Message: 49509 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/18/2008
          Subject: ANSA public service announcement
          .html
          I think the Alpha Centauri thing is also a possible confusion with the original novel...the astronauts in it wre going to Alpha Centauri.

          Mel
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          Group: potadg Message: 49510 From: John Date: 11/18/2008
          Subject: Paul Dehn
          .html
          So, I know we've all been guilty of bashing Paul Dehn on how
          inconsistent he is but with so many hands involved with the series I
          think it may not be totally his fault & after watching the special
          features on the Blu Ray set it does seem like he is responsible for the
          darker tone in the Planet of the Apes series & I for one would have
          loved to have seen his concept for "Battle" used as opposed to the John
          & Joyce Corrington family film that was filmed. Apparently, the apes
          society becomes very decedent & Caesar becomes true to his namesake &
          is King & lord & master of his perverted kingdom till he is killed by
          one of his own & an ape Government is established. Plunging the series
          into even darker territory than "Conquest." Another great addition to
          the Special features on the Blu Rays are all the new original art they
          had done to illustrate some of the unused concepts. I applaud the
          effort.
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          Group: potadg Message: 49511 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
          .html
          .html

          Hi John

           

          I think we have all thought there was one person to blame, but it makes more sense that the inconsistencies stem from the hands of “too many cooks”!

           

          I really CANNOT WAIT to see these specials!

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John
          Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 1:12 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Paul Dehn

           

          So, I know we've all been guilty of bashing Paul Dehn on how
          inconsistent he is but with so many hands involved with the series I
          think it may not be totally his fault & after watching the special
          features on the Blu Ray set it does seem like he is responsible for the
          darker tone in the Planet of the Apes series & I for one would have
          loved to have seen his concept for "Battle" used as opposed to the John
          & Joyce Corrington family film that was filmed. Apparently, the apes
          society becomes very decedent & Caesar becomes true to his namesake &
          is King & lord & master of his perverted kingdom till he is killed by
          one of his own & an ape Government is established. Plunging the series
          into even darker territory than "Conquest." Another great addition to
          the Special features on the Blu Rays are all the new original art they
          had done to illustrate some of the unused concepts. I applaud the
          effort.

          <.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 49512 From: John Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Review of the Addar model kits
          .html
          Pretty cool review of the Addar re-issues of the Planet of the Apes
          models.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAefLowoRs
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          Group: potadg Message: 49513 From: John Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Ty on Space
          .html
          Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream of what could
          have been.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE
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          Group: potadg Message: 49514 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Re: Review of the Addar model kits
          .html
          On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:21:33 +0000 John < DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
          >Pretty cool review of the Addar re-issues of the Planet of the Apes
          >models.
          >
          >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAefLowoRs
          >
          That was fun. Thanks for posting it!

          Hunter
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          Group: potadg Message: 49515 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Re: Review of the Addar model kits
          .html
          .html

          Very cool John – thanks for sharing that!

           

          Nice results too.

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John
          Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:22 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Review of the Addar model kits

           

          Pretty cool review of the Addar re-issues of the Planet of the Apes
          models.

          http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=CJAefLowoRs

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          Group: potadg Message: 49516 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/19/2008
          Subject: Re: Ty on Space
          .html
          .html

          Still could be!

          If FOX green light a CONQUEST BASED SEQUEL we may just see a flood of comics and other Conquest based merchandise.

           

          Don’t be one bit surprised….

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John
          Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:27 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Ty on Space

           

          Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream of what could
          have been.

          http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=c-zledKoBNE

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          Group: potadg Message: 49517 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Ty on Space
          .html
          IF they greenlight another movie, then I can see that pushing the
          graphic novel back to life. But I'm not so optimistic about that,
          maybe they'll be guaging the sales of the blu-ray?

          Any more ideas on converting those extrtas? I've seen blu-ray drives
          for computers advertised, if that worked I could record them onto DVD
          from my computer. All I need now is a drive and the blu-ray set!

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
          <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
          >
          > Still could be!
          >
          >
          >
          > If FOX green light a CONQUEST BASED SEQUEL we may just see a flood
          of comics
          > and other Conquest based merchandise.
          >
          >
          >
          > Don't be one bit surprised..
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of
          > John
          > Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:27 AM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Ty on Space
          >
          >
          >
          > Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream of what
          could
          > have been.
          >
          > http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE >
          > com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE
          >
          <.html
          Group: potadg Message: 49518 From: Neil Foster Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
          .html
          .html Message
          Well no matter how inconsistent he was he still came up with way better stuff than I could ever hope to, so I tend to cut him a fair amount of slack.
           
          Neil
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
          Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:12 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Paul Dehn

          So, I know we've all been guilty of bashing Paul Dehn on how
          inconsistent he is but with so many hands involved with the series I
          think it may not be totally his fault & after watching the special
          features on the Blu Ray set it does seem like he is responsible for the
          darker tone in the Planet of the Apes series & I for one would have
          loved to have seen his concept for "Battle" used as opposed to the John
          & Joyce Corrington family film that was filmed.

          .

          <.html
          <.html
          Group: potadg Message: 49519 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Ty on Space
          .html
          .html

          J

           

          Apparently the Thanksgiving Weekend Conquest shown on the Fox Cable Chanel will be the Blu Ray (unrated) version.

           

          I have a friend copying that and I will make copies and forward these to people.

           

          More details later.

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
          Sent: Friday, 21 November 2008 9:24 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ty on Space

           

          IF they greenlight another movie, then I can see that pushing the
          graphic novel back to life. But I'm not so optimistic about that,
          maybe they'll be guaging the sales of the blu-ray?

          Any more ideas on converting those extrtas? I've seen blu-ray drives
          for computers advertised, if that worked I could record them onto DVD
          from my computer. All I need now is a drive and the blu-ray set!

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
          <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

          >
          > Still could be!
          >
          >
          >
          > If FOX green light a CONQUEST BASED SEQUEL we may just see a flood
          of comics
          > and other Conquest based merchandise.
          >
          >
          >
          > Don't be one bit surprised..
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
          Behalf Of
          > John
          > Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:27 AM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Ty on Space
          >
          >
          >
          > Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream of
          what
          could
          > have been.
          >
          > http://www.youtube. <
          href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE">http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=c-zledKoBNE>
          > com/watch?v= c-zledKoBNE
          >

          <.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 49520 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Paul Dehn
          .html
          .html

          Yes, he had some great ideas.

           

          And back then nobody expected we’d be watching them at will in our lounge rooms with a remote control to pause and slow-play all errors!

           

          I mean what kind of psycho cares where the ship’s seats are or how many there were…..  ;)

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
          Sent: Friday, 21 November 2008 10:40 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Paul Dehn

           

          Well no matter how inconsistent he was he still came up with way better stuff than I could ever hope to, so I tend to cut him a fair amount of slack.

           

          Neil

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of John
          Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:12 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Paul Dehn

          So, I know we've all been guilty of bashing Paul Dehn on how
          inconsistent he is but with so many hands involved with the series I
          think it may not be totally his fault & after watching the special
          features on the Blu Ray set it does seem like he is responsible for the
          darker tone in the Planet of the Apes series & I for one would have
          loved to have seen his concept for "Battle" used as opposed to the John
          & Joyce Corrington family film that was filmed.

          .



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          <.html
          Group: potadg Message: 49521 From: nlmoxham Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Ty on Space
          .html
          Excellent! I'd also really like to see scans of the booklet if anyone
          had the patience to scan them. Especially if it's not being sold in
          Europe.

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
          <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
          >
          > :-)
          >
          >
          >
          > Apparently the Thanksgiving Weekend Conquest shown on the Fox Cable
          Chanel
          > will be the Blu Ray (unrated) version.
          >
          >
          >
          > I have a friend copying that and I will make copies and forward
          these to
          > people.
          >
          >
          >
          > More details later.
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of
          > nlmoxham
          > Sent: Friday, 21 November 2008 9:24 PM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ty on Space
          >
          >
          >
          > IF they greenlight another movie, then I can see that pushing the
          > graphic novel back to life. But I'm not so optimistic about that,
          > maybe they'll be guaging the sales of the blu-ray?
          >
          > Any more ideas on converting those extrtas? I've seen blu-ray
          drives
          > for computers advertised, if that worked I could record them onto
          DVD
          > from my computer. All I need now is a drive and the blu-ray set!
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
          com, "Michael &
          > Sally Whitty"
          > <sallywhitty@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Still could be!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > If FOX green light a CONQUEST BASED SEQUEL we may just see a
          flood
          > of comics
          > > and other Conquest based merchandise.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Don't be one bit surprised..
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Michael
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > _____
          > >
          > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
          > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com]
          On
          > Behalf Of
          > > John
          > > Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:27 AM
          > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
          > > Subject: [PotaDG] Ty on Space
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream of what
          > could
          > > have been.
          > >
          > > http://www.youtube <http://www.youtube
          > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE> com/watch?v=c-
          zledKoBNE>
          > > com/watch?v=c-zledKoBNE
          > >
          >
          <.html
          Group: potadg Message: 49522 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/21/2008
          Subject: Re: Ty on Space
          .html
          .html

          Good point!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
          Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2008 1:32 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ty on Space

           

          Excellent! I'd also really like to see scans of the booklet if anyone
          had the patience to scan them. Especially if it's not being sold in
          Europe .

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
          <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

          >
          > :-)
          >
          >
          >
          > Apparently the Thanksgiving Weekend Conquest shown on the Fox Cable
          Chanel
          > will be the Blu Ray (unrated) version.
          >
          >
          >
          > I have a friend copying that and I will make copies and forward
          these to
          > people.
          >
          >
          >
          > More details later.
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
          Behalf Of
          > nlmoxham
          > Sent: Friday, 21 November 2008 9:24 PM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ty on Space
          >
          >
          >
          > IF they greenlight another movie, then I can see that pushing the
          > graphic novel back to life. But I'm not so optimistic about that,
          > maybe they'll be guaging the sales of the blu-ray?
          >
          > Any more ideas on converting those extrtas? I've seen blu-ray
          drives
          > for computers advertised, if that worked I could record them onto
          DVD
          > from my computer. All I need now is a drive and the blu-ray set!
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>
          com, "Michael &
          > Sally Whitty"
          > <sallywhitty@ > wrote:
          > >
          > > Still could be!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > If FOX green light a CONQUEST BASED SEQUEL we may just see a
          flood
          > of comics
          > > and other Conquest based merchandise.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Don't be one bit surprised..
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Michael
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > _____
          > >
          > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>
          com
          > [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>
          com]
          On
          > Behalf Of
          > > John
          > > Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 3:27 AM
          > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>
          com
          > > Subject: [PotaDG] Ty on Space
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Ty Templeton Hyping "Revolution" on Space. Makes me dream
          of what
          > could
          > > have been.
          > >
          > > http://www.youtube. <
          href="http://www.youtube.">http://www.youtube.
          > <http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=c-zledKoBNE>
          com/watch?v= c-
          zledKoBNE>
          > > com/watch?v= c-zledKoBNE
          > >
          >

          <.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 49523 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/22/2008
          Subject: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes
          .html
          Greetings, folks,

          I just wanted to let you all know that Timeline of the Planet of the
          Apes: The Definitive Chronology is now available online:

          http://www.hassleinbooks.com

          For those who purchase it, I hope you enjoy it!

          Rich
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          Group: potadg Message: 49524 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 11/22/2008
          Subject: Re: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes
          .html
          .html

          Thanks and congratulations Rich.

           

          Don’t forget when this venture has made you Rich and Famous (as opposed to just Rich!), you will be getting a Blu-Ray player and POTA Box set!  J

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
          Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 5:21 AM
          To: handleyr@...
          Subject: [PotaDG] Timeline of the Planet of the Apes

           

          Greetings, folks,

          I just wanted to let you all know that Timeline of the Planet of the
          Apes: The Definitive Chronology is now available online:

          http://www.hasslein books.com

          For those who purchase it, I hope you enjoy it!

          Rich

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