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*** Don't go getting too excited Whitty... When Roddy McDowall hosted the APES week on Sci-Fi in the early nineties,  he mentioned the then announced APES film that was going to be helmed by Oliver Stone "for release sometime in 1995" I think he says... That never came to fruition, even though it was also written about in a magazine called "Sci-Fi Universe"... It took about 8+ years from the time of the magazine article and Roddy's mention of it on TV for the film to be released, and then when it was, it was nothing like originally planned (the film turned out to be the Burton fiasco)... This mention by Rothman may still be premature... Don't go counting your eggs bfore they're hatched... You'd be better off just being cautiously optimistic... ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/29/08 9:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

The vibe I'm getting has legs!

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2008 10:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes

Here's the Fox Movie Channel's presentation of Planet of the Apes hosted by Tom Rothman

 

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> Can someone like me do a purchase on-line or is B&N shop-front only?

The price and coupon are good online. I assume they'd ship to
Australia.

I know Amazon does, and as Tim said, they also have lowered their
price.

Hunter

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the Apes."
>  
> www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
>  
> Enjoy.
>  
> Al
>
Cool... thanks for sharing that Al.

Best,Graham.

Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!

The shots of toys with a white background are mine! That's my stuff!

The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes, archery set, carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike flags, play feet, plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes, helicopter....it's my fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL

Tim

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

> From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Impact of the Apes
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:12 AM
> As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the
> Apes."
>
> www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Al

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Thanks a lot for these clips Al!

This is very encouraging. Even if it did take another 8 years, things
seem to be moving. And I would hope they'd have learned from past
mistakes, not just about what type of movie to make, but also about
making announcements too prematurely.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Mike - I've been saying for a long time that FOX seems to be

gearing up to

> something new - CONQUEST related.
>
> Ty's comic, the ape head, and the sideshows included Caesar, There

were a

> few other things too that I can't recall right now but I was really

thinking

> "something new is coming and it's Conquest related".
>
> When we got UNCUT released with the Blu-Ray set I thought it was

that, but

> now it seems it's all getting us ready for a new ape revolution, a
> "re-imagination" of CONQUEST.
>
> Now this, as Neil says, is a very logical place to start a series

of movies

> with a sense of comtinuity. Start with how it all got there.
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2008 3:57 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] SHIT! - he talked about the new script!
>
>
>
>
> *** Don't go getting too excited Whitty... When Roddy McDowall

hosted the

> APES week on Sci-Fi in the early nineties, he mentioned the then

announced

> APES film that was going to be helmed by Oliver Stone "for release

sometime

> in 1995" I think he says... That never came to fruition, even

though it was

> also written about in a magazine called "Sci-Fi Universe"... It

took about

> 8+ years from the time of the magazine article and Roddy's mention

of it on

> TV for the film to be released, and then when it was, it was

nothing like

> originally planned (the film turned out to be the Burton fiasco)...

This

> mention by Rothman may still be premature... Don't go counting your

eggs

> bfore they're hatched... You'd be better off just being cautiously
> optimistic... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/29/08 9:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
>
> The vibe I'm getting has legs!
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2008 10:57 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's the Fox Movie Channel's presentation of Planet of the Apes

hosted by

> Tom Rothman
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
> <http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000

> 002> the NEW AOL.com.
>

> Here's all six TV Presentations from the Fox Movie Channel.

Wow. Tom Rothman is *really* obnoxious.

Hunter

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I always marvel at the preproduction conceptual movie artwork that was briefly shown on the EVOLUTION featurette this weekend on FMC (and in more detail on the Roddy hosted BEHIND featurette).

 

Has this artwork -- in its entirety -- ever been collected in a book or on a website? I would love to see a high production coffee-table type book of all the POTA artwork.

 

Also, does anyone know who did the artwork on the MONKEY PLANET graphics they showed on EVOLUTION? Those were quite outstanding -- the ape artwork reminded me of some of the better DC Comics 1950s ape comic book covers!

thanks,

Bill

 

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Not sure what Fox is up to, but they may have realized a Kiddie Matinee POTA was not the way to go.  I know.  Fox learning a lesson?  But anything is possible.  Looks like they bay be going for a chronological telling. If that's the case then by starting with Conquest it must be Timeline 1, without Cornelius & Zira.  It'll be interesting to see if they try and keep it light enough for the youngsters, or try to go really dark. 

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/30/2008 3:32:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Mike - I've been saying for a long time that FOX seems to be gearing up to something new - CONQUEST related.

 

Ty's comic, the ape head, and the sideshows included Caesar,  There were a few other things too that I can't recall right now but I was really thinking "something new is coming and it's Conquest related".

 

When we got UNCUT released with the Blu-Ray set I thought it was that, but now it seems it's all getting us ready for a new ape revolution, a "re-imagination" of CONQUEST.

 

Now this, as Neil says, is a very logical place to start a series of movies with a sense of comtinuity.  Start with how it all got there.

 

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2008 3:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] SHIT! - he talked about the new script!

*** Don't go getting too excited Whitty... When Roddy McDowall hosted the APES week on Sci-Fi in the early nineties,  he mentioned the then announced APES film that was going to be helmed by Oliver Stone "for release sometime in 1995" I think he says... That never came to fruition, even though it was also written about in a magazine called "Sci-Fi Universe"... It took about 8+ years from the time of the magazine article and Roddy's mention of it on TV for the film to be released, and then when it was, it was nothing like originally planned (the film turned out to be the Burton fiasco)... This mention by Rothman may still be premature... Don't go counting your eggs bfore they're hatched... You'd be better off just being cautiously optimistic.. . ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/29/08 9:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

The vibe I'm getting has legs!

Michael

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2008 10:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes

Here's the Fox Movie Channel's presentation of Planet of the Apes hosted by Tom Rothman

 

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In a message dated 11/30/08 1:50:23 PM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

It'll be interesting to see if they try and keep it light enough for the youngsters, or try to go really dark. 

*** I think at it's "darkest" it will be PG-13.... Just like in 1972, FOX won't want to offend the "family audience"... ***

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In a message dated 11/30/08 2:31:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Hey and didn't we have Brian Peck in the group once upon a time?

*** Who is that? ***

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In a message dated 11/30/08 3:32:35 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Ty's comic, the ape head, and the sideshows included Caesar,  There were a few other things too that I can't recall right now but I was really thinking "something new is coming and it's Conquest related".

*** Ty's comic wasn't commissioned by FOX to do that story, though it was authorized... I say that because it's not like FOX contacted MR and said "We're gearing up to do film X and we'd like to get some pre-publicity from you via a comic story..."

 

The head thing, I think they probably went "green jumpsuit" rather than a green tunic with accompanying leather collar to keep costs down... And the SIDESHOW figures, do you really think they wouldn't have done Caesar? While not as widely known among the public at large as say Zira and Cornelius, Caesar is a pretty popular character so the fact that they made him isn't surprising at all... Whether it's a CONQUEST "build-up" as you're thinking, or that he was just a logical choice for a figure, he would have been made regardless.

 

And as I sort of said in that post from a few days ago, the new CONQUEST merchandise is pointless as "hype"... I mean this new film is NOT going to be our CONQUEST, it's going to be an entity of it's own, so why even use the current film and merchandise based on it as any kind of tool to get people turned on? Why make a green jumpsuit wearing figure to sell in stores when in the proposed film, the chimp might be ass-naked? Saying the current APES product is being used to help pre-sell "Genesis" isn't logical... It'd be like using a 1972 DeVille as a model to help sell your 2010 edition... ***

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In a message dated 11/30/08 2:53:41 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Even the Burton thing was M.

*** Is "M" the Australian equivalent of PG-13? Cause that's what pota2001 was rated here...***

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> Why do you say that Hunter? I must have missed something?

Did you watch the "Legacy" clip? He came across as very smug and full
of himself, IMO....

Hunter

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Doubtful.  By announcing every new director or change in

cast or script, they generate and perpetuate the buzz.

Often without it a project stays in development hell.

 

 

In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:13:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

And I would hope they'd have learned from past
mistakes, not just about what type of movie to make, but also about
making announcements too prematurely.

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There's a big difference between now and then.

On the one hand I can't believe some of the

content that passes for Family entertainment

these days.  On the other hand, I seriously

doubt you'd get a G-Rating for a film that

has human hunting, thermonuclear

destruction, and bear-assed stuff

in it.  Then again M*A*S*H and

Midnight Cowboy were Rated X.

 

In a message dated 11/30/2008 2:25:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** I think at it's "darkest" it will be PG-13.... Just like in 1972, FOX won't want to offend the "family audience"... ***

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The operative term being WAS.

There'll never be an unreleased

version of that put out on DVD.

 

 

In a message dated 11/30/2008 2:53:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Even the Burton thing was M.

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In a message dated 11/30/08 4:39:39 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

It's fairly clear to me - to bring the name CAESAR to "household name" status.

*** Caesar is a household name already... Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, etc.  Hell, even Cesar pet food... Seriously though, do we even know that the "ape leader" in the film will be named Caesar? I almost hope not, cause then we may be going down the road of just using an existing name to say "See, it's an homage" or whatever... No, I don't think it'd be as stupidly done as it was in pota2001 (from what I've read/heard), but we don't need "references" in the proposed new film... It should stand on it's own legs, especially since it will not be canonical to what exists already. ***

 

 

I could be wrong Mike but I think it's actually quite obvious there's a checking of people's current reactions to Conquest...

*** I can't say for sure either way... But I will say this: A lot of the examples of merchandise you mentioned before to say that they may be trying to get feelers out for CONQUEST were done over a span of time... I mean it's not like everything Caesar/CONQUEST related was all dropped at once... Pretty close together but not done as tie-ins with each other... There was no cross-marketing or anything... ***

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Kind of a weak name, no?

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-Has-A-Director-11064.html"

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

> *** Ty's comic wasn't commissioned by FOX to do that
> story, though it was authorized... I say that because
> it's not like FOX contacted MR and said "We're gearing
> up to do film X and we'd like to get some pre-publicity
> from you via a comic story..."

Plus, when Ty pitched it, Revolution wasn't originally the version
that was ultimately published. It was called Combat on the Planet of
the Apes, and was a crossover between the two film incarnations, about
a war between Caesar's and Thade's forces.

Who is Scott Frank?

Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-Has-A-
Director-11064.htmlbr> >
> The new movie has a title and director.
>
> Title: Caesar
> Director: Scott Frank
>
> Al
>

Scott Frank is Tim Burtons half brother.
Just kidding.
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest Rumors

Who is Scott Frank?

Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-Has-A-
Director-11064.htmlbr> >
> The new movie has a title and director.
>
> Title: Caesar
> Director: Scott Frank
>
> Al
>

He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority Report,
Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Who is Scott Frank?
>
> Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-Has-A-
> Director-11064.htmlbr> > >
> > The new movie has a title and director.
> >
> > Title: Caesar
> > Director: Scott Frank
> >
> > Al
> >
>

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In a message dated 11/30/08 6:02:40 PM Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-Has-A-Director-11064.html/font>

 

The new movie has a title and director.

 

Title: Caesar

Director: Scott Frank

 

Al

*** I'll bet you anything that it gets a different name... ***

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Scott Frank is Tim Burtons half brother.
> Just kidding.
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest Rumors
>
> Who is Scott Frank?
>
> Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-
Has-A-
> Director-11064.htmlbr> > >
> > The new movie has a title and director.
> >
> > Title: Caesar
> > Director: Scott Frank
> >
> > Al
> >
>

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In a message dated 11/30/08 6:39:24 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

Plus, when Ty pitched it, Revolution wasn't originally the version
that was ultimately published.  It was called Combat on the Planet of
the Apes, and was a crossover between the two film incarnations, about
a war between Caesar's and Thade's forces.

*** And that's one thing that always bugged me... Not only the fact that they wanted to cross the two (which had no reason to be) but then when FOX nixed the idea, all of a sudden they were like "We always wanted to do "classic" APES", when obviously wanting to incorporate pota2001 in a story shows otherwise. ***

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Ah cool that is him - so he's more a writer than a director? They
have updated now and have a link from his name to the "POTA has a
director" article.

This is getting exciting!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority Report,
> Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
wrote:
> >
> > Who is Scott Frank?
> >
> > Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-
Has-A-
> > Director-11064.htmlbr> > > >
> > > The new movie has a title and director.
> > >
> > > Title: Caesar
> > > Director: Scott Frank
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> >
>

Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can try
to give him some of our ideas?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority Report,
> Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
wrote:
> >
> > Who is Scott Frank?
> >
> > Just tried the IMDB and nothing seems to be him....
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > According to http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Planet-Of-The-Apes-
Has-A-
> > Director-11064.htmlbr> > > >
> > > The new movie has a title and director.
> > >
> > > Title: Caesar
> > > Director: Scott Frank
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> >
>

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c/o Creative Artists Agency (CAA)
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067

 

http://www.caa.com/

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/30/08 11:37:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can try
to give him some of our ideas?


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority Report,
> Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
wrote:
> >
> > Who is Scott Frank?

 

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How did you get this Mike?!?!?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> c/o Creative Artists Agency (CAA)
> 2000 Avenue Of The Stars
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
>
> _http://www.caa.com/_ (http://www.caa.com/)
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/08 11:37:45 PM Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can
try
> to give him some of our ideas?
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority
Report,
> > Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Who is Scott Frank?
>
>
>
> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
the NEW
> AOL.com.
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In the FIRSTVIEWING.COM article, it states:

 

"A lot has been happening with Planet of the Apes over the last few weeks. Maybe it's the sales number associated with the new Blu-Ray box set"

 

Does anyone have an idea of how many of the set has sold so far?

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CAA is the "other" big agency.

The only real competition for William Morris.

 

 

In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:50:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

How did you get this Mike?!?!?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, mlccougar@.. . wrote:
>
>
> c/o Creative Artists Agency (CAA)
> 2000 Avenue Of The Stars
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
>
> _http://www.caa. com/_ ( http://www.caa. com/)
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/08 11:37:45 PM Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@ ... writes:
>
> Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can
try
> to give him some of our ideas?
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > He wrote Dead Again, Little Man Tate, The Lookout, Minority
Report,
> > Malice, Get Shorty and some other films.
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@ >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Who is Scott Frank?
>
>
>
> ************ **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
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Just don't tell him where you got it,

or no more help from me, okay?  ; )

 

 

Arroyo Films

50 W Dayton St #308 Pasadena, CA 91105 USA

Phone: 626-431-2658 Fax: 626-431-2816

 

In a message dated 12/1/2008 12:01:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can try
to give him some of our ideas?

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In a message dated 12/1/08 12:25:21 AM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

Just don't tell him where you got it,

or no more help from me, okay?  ; )

 

 

Arroyo Films

50 W Dayton St #308 Pasadena, CA 91105 USA

Phone: 626-431-2658 Fax: 626-431-2816

 

In a message dated 12/1/2008 12:01:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can try
to give him some of our ideas?

*** Get cracking on those phone calls Whitty. ***

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----- Original Message -----

From: sallywhitty@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:39 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest Rumors

What's the time (on which day) in California right now please?

Michael
 

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On 01/12/2008 5:32 PM mlccougar@aol. com wrote:

In a message dated 12/1/08 12:25:21 AM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes: Just don't tell him where you got it, or no more help from me, okay? ; ) Arroyo Films 50 W Dayton St #308 Pasadena, CA 91105 USA Phone: 626-431-2658 Fax: 626-431-2816 In a message dated 12/1/2008 12:01:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes: Seriously - anyone have an email address or something so we can try to give him some of our ideas? *** Get cracking on those phone calls Whitty. *** ************ **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www. aol.com/? optin=new- dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00 000002)

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I really think this is going to have a whole lot more to do with Burton's film then classic POTA.......I could just be cautious as I got so excited last time,....

Although it makes me wonder....why are they not calling this story "Semos".....the whole prequel was written out in one of those novels based on the re-imagining.....Semos was the ape that led the revolution.....he was on the Oberon...

The thing that has me curious is that it takes place in 2009. In the
Burton film, it was 2029 and the revolution hadn't happened yet. And
Semos' revolution took place on another world, not on Earth. This
makes me believe this will be an entirely new Planet of the Apes that
doesn't acknowledge either prior version.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I really think this is going to have a whole lot more to do with
Burton's film then classic POTA.......I could just be cautious as I
got so excited last time,....
>
> Although it makes me wonder....why are they not calling this story
"Semos".....the whole prequel was written out in one of those novels
based on the re-imagining.....Semos was the ape that led the
revolution.....he was on the Oberon...
>

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Correct. Its all new its all good.

I may not be around for the next few days. My internet provider is down. Im typing this message from my cell phone. It went offline as i was updating my web site so if my front page looks as though somethings wrong, well, there is. Couldnt finish uploading the front page.

See you all when my internet provider returns.
And with comcast, that could be a long long time. At least lets hope not.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conquest Rumors

The thing that has me curious is that it takes place in 2009. In the
Burton film, it was 2029 and the revolution hadn't happened yet. And
Semos' revolution took place on another world, not on Earth. This
makes me believe this will be an entirely new Planet of the Apes that
doesn't acknowledge either prior version.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I really think this is going to have a whole lot more to do with
Burton's film then classic POTA.......I could just be cautious as I
got so excited last time,....
>
> Although it makes me wonder....why are they not calling this story
"Semos".....the whole prequel was written out in one of those novels
based on the re-imagining.....Semos was the ape that led the
revolution.....he was on the Oberon...
>

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Right now?

It's Monday

at 6:30 am.

 

 

In a message dated 12/1/2008 1:47:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

What's the time (on which day) in California right now please?

Michael

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SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES!"

• By Devin Faraci

For the last month I've been on the heels of a story that has excited me: Fox has been developing a new Planet of the Apes film, a prequel. There were a lot of rumors. We heard from sources close to Fox that the film (which we were told was called Planet of the Apes: Genesis or Genesis: Apes) was a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. It would tell the story of Caesar, the chimpanzee who led the apes in rebellion, conquering humanity and creating a planet where apes ruled and humans served.

As we learned this weekend, things have changed in the previous months. Fox is still excited about this property, and now they've put the film into the hands of writer/director Scott Frank. The film is now called Caesar. But what about the rest of the info? Was any of it true? If so, does it still apply now that Frank is on the project? I went to the source and this morning spoke to Scott Frank himself.

Caesar is not a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. This is a fact that Frank can't stress to you enough - his film will not feature talking monkeys, and it will not end with chimpanzees running wild in the streets, taking over the world. But it isn't entirely divorced from the world of Planet of the Apes, either. In fact, Frank sees his movie as the opening chapter in a saga that could span the thousand years between today and a world where apes rule.

What's most exciting about Caesar is that Frank is committed to telling a hard science fiction story. The science that creates a hyper-intelligent chimpanzee is based on current real world research - this film would just take that science one step further. He's also committed to telling a story based on character, not antic ape action. His plan for Caesar is one where you come to really feel for this ape, even as the final act sees him taking actions that may be hard for us to agree with.

But getting Caesar to be a real character on the page is just one of the challenges still facing Frank. He is right now just in the beginning phases of rewriting the script, and even if he is able to nail the story, he still has to figure out if he can bring Caesar to life on screen. Since he doesn't want to have people running around in monkey suits,  Frank is doing lots of research into the state of effects today - can he create a photoreal chimpanzee (one who is facially modified by the genetic engineering that grants him his intelligence) who will be the main character for this film? Can he create a character who is completely expressive through his face, eyes, and gestures (including sign language) without speaking a word of dialogue?

Fox seems convinced Frank can make it work. Caesar excites the writer/director because it's something so outside of his wheelhouse*, but he's adamant that he wants to get it right, and he says that the studio feels the same way. This is a film that needs to be grounded in character and science, and then made to feel real. While we didn't get into details, what Frank told me made Caesar sound like it would also continue the Apes tradition of tackling social issues, something sorely lacking in Tim Burton's stillborn re-imagining.

Frank was audibly excited about the movie as he told me about it, but he was also very cautious to say that he wouldn't know if the film would be going ahead until at least February. It does sound like Fox is eager to get this franchise restarted, so I hope that Frank feels comfortable with his script and the FX, since I'd rather see a guy who can write (and direct, judging by the criminally underseen The Lookout) on this film than a guy whose commercial background convinces the suits he can shoot action that will look cool in a trailer.

As a lifelong fan of the Apes series, Frank's take on this material has me excited in a way that I wouldn't have thought possible. The great thing about each of the original Apes sequels is that they did something new and unexpected, and there are many elements in Frank's concept that fit right in that tradition. His story is one that will work as a standalone thriller, as a science fiction thinker and as the beginning of a larger, grander saga.

Hopefully Caesar will continue moving forward. If it does, expect us to be at the forefront of its evolution, bringing you all the latest news.

* Although it's worth noting that Frank has been involved in thoughtful scifi before, namely Minority Report.
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:58 AM
To: potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Update on new Caesar film

From CHUD:

SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES!"

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note the last paragraph "update"...


Resurrection of the Planet of the Apes?
by Scott Weinberg Dec 1st 2008 // 2:40PM
Filed under: Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Remakes and Sequels

A few months back I was discussing Fantastic Fest with Sir Devin Faraci, and he professed to me that one of the films he was most looking forward to -- was something 25 years old! Yes, Devin is a HUGE Planet of the Apes fan, so he was elated to see the "unseen cut" of J. Lee Thompson's Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. Mega-geeked, in fact.

So when it comes to new info on this long-running franchise, I put much stock in Faraci's ravings. Here's the short version: It looks like there will be an Apes prequel that starts off before the original film. And by "original film," I assume they mean the 1968 one. And then we hear from Cinema Blend (who got it from Production Weekly) that not only is the prequel a go, but also that Fox has hired a director. Namely, Scott Frank, who wrote Get Shorty and Minority Report before hitting the director's chair on The Lookout. The movie will cover the pre-Apes tale of how the primates overtook the planet. So this isn't only a prequel, it's a sort of a Conquest remake, too. Geez, this is getting confusing.

More on this project as it arises, but please do share your thoughts. Like ... do we really NEED a new version of this oft-exhumed tale? Frankly no. But given Mr. Frank's track record, I find myself feeling a little more optimistic than usual.

UPDATE: Mr. Faraci has spoken with Scott Frank, who has cleared up the fact that he's not remaking Conquest. From CHUD: "[Frank's] film will not feature talking monkeys, and it will not end with chimpanzees running wild in the streets, taking over the world. But it isn't entirely divorced from the world of Planet of the Apes, either. In fact, Frank sees his movie as the opening chapter in a saga that could span the thousand years between today and a world where apes rule."

That's what I thought....a CGI Caesar....If he looks and moves like King Kong that might be okay.....But it sounds like it has nothing to do with either original POTA or the 2001 one....in that case, I hope they just don't even use "planet of the Apes" title at all!!!

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Update on new Caesar film
> To: potadg@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:58 PM
> From CHUD:
>
>
>
>
> SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST
> OF THE
> PLANET OF THE APES!"
>
> By Devin
> Faraci
> For the last month I've been on the heels of a story
> that has
> excited me: Fox has been developing a new Planet of the
> Apes film, a
> prequel. There were a lot of rumors. We heard from sources
> close to Fox
> that the film (which we were told was called Planet of the
> Apes: Genesis
> or Genesis: Apes) was a remake of Conquest of the Planet of
> the Apes. It
> would tell the story of Caesar, the chimpanzee who led the
> apes in
> rebellion, conquering humanity and creating a planet where
> apes ruled and
> humans served.
>
>
> As we learned this weekend, things have changed in the
> previous months.
> Fox is still excited about this property, and now
> they've put the film
> into the hands of writer/director Scott Frank. The film is
> now called
> Caesar. But what about the rest of the info? Was any of it
> true? If so,
> does it still apply now that Frank is on the project? I
> went to the
> source and this morning spoke to Scott Frank himself.
>
>
> Caesar is not a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the
> Apes. This is a
> fact that Frank can't stress to you enough - his film
> will not feature
> talking monkeys, and it will not end with chimpanzees
> running wild in the
> streets, taking over the world. But it isn't entirely
> divorced from the
> world of Planet of the Apes, either. In fact, Frank sees
> his movie as the
> opening chapter in a saga that could span the thousand
> years between
> today and a world where apes rule.
>
>
> What's most exciting about Caesar is that Frank is
> committed to telling a
> hard
>
> science fiction story. The science that creates a
> hyper-intelligent
> chimpanzee is based on current real world research - this
> film would just
> take that science one step further. He's also committed
> to telling a
> story based on character, not antic ape action. His plan
> for Caesar is
> one where you come to really feel for this ape, even as the
> final act
> sees him taking actions that may be hard for us to agree
> with.
>
>
> But getting Caesar to be a real character on the page is
> just one of the
> challenges still facing Frank. He is right now just in the
> beginning
> phases of rewriting the script, and even if he is able to
> nail the story,
> he still has to figure out if he can bring Caesar to life
> on screen.
> Since he doesn't want to have people running around in
> monkey
> suits, Frank is doing lots of research into the state of
> effects
> today - can he create a photoreal chimpanzee (one who is
> facially
> modified by the genetic engineering that grants him his
> intelligence) who
> will be the main character for this film? Can he create a
> character who
> is completely expressive through his face, eyes, and
> gestures (including
> sign language) without speaking a word of dialogue?
>
>
> Fox seems convinced Frank can make it work. Caesar excites
> the
> writer/director because it's something so outside of
> his wheelhouse*, but
> he's adamant that he wants to get it right, and he says
> that the studio
> feels the same way. This is a film that needs to be
> grounded in character
> and science, and then made to feel real. While we
> didn't get into
> details, what Frank told me made Caesar sound like it would
> also continue
> the Apes tradition of tackling social issues, something
> sorely lacking in
> Tim Burton's stillborn re-imagining.
>
>
> Frank was audibly excited about the movie as he told me
> about it, but he
> was also very cautious to say that he wouldn't know if
> the film would be
> going ahead until at least February. It does sound like Fox
> is eager to
> get this franchise restarted, so I hope that Frank feels
> comfortable with
> his script and the FX, since I'd rather see a guy who
> can write (and
> direct, judging by the criminally underseen The Lookout) on
> this film
> than a guy whose commercial background convinces the suits
> he can shoot
> action that will look cool in a trailer.
>
>
> As a lifelong fan of the Apes series, Frank's take on
> this material has
> me excited in a way that I wouldn't have thought
> possible. The great
> thing about each of the original Apes sequels is that they
> did something
> new and unexpected, and there are many elements in
> Frank's concept that
> fit right in that tradition. His story is one that will
> work as a
> standalone thriller, as a science fiction thinker and as
> the beginning of
> a larger, grander saga.
>
>
> Hopefully Caesar will continue moving forward. If it does,
> expect us to
> be at the forefront of its evolution, bringing you all the
> latest
> news.
>
>
> * Although it's worth noting that Frank has been
> involved in thoughtful
> scifi before, namely Minority Report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hehe That's awesome, Tim!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!
>
> The shots of toys with a white background are mine! That's my stuff!
>
> The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes, archery set,
carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike flags, play feet,
plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes, helicopter....it's my
fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL
>
> Tim
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Impact of the Apes
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:12 AM
> > As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the
> > Apes."
> >
> > www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Al
>

This isn't exactly true. When George Lucas started work on his
horrible "Star Wars" prequels, there was a flood of rehashed Star
Wars items put out based from the classics, designed to help generate
excitement (& revenue). I know. Cause I fell for it hook line &
sinker & bought my son tons of figures, books, comics etc. and much
like you stated, it wasn't "my Star Wars universe" that these new
films were based in. So I don't think Michael is as off base as you
think he is.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/08 3:32:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Ty's comic, the ape head, and the sideshows included Caesar,
There were a
> few other things too that I can't recall right now but I was
really thinking
> "something new is coming and it's Conquest related".
>
>
> *** Ty's comic wasn't commissioned by FOX to do that story, though
it was
> authorized... I say that because it's not like FOX contacted MR and
said "We're
> gearing up to do film X and we'd like to get some pre-publicity
from you via
> a comic story..."
>
> The head thing, I think they probably went "green jumpsuit" rather
than a
> green tunic with accompanying leather collar to keep costs down...
And the
> SIDESHOW figures, do you really think they wouldn't have done
Caesar? While not
> as widely known among the public at large as say Zira and
Cornelius, Caesar is
> a pretty popular character so the fact that they made him isn't
surprising at
> all... Whether it's a CONQUEST "build-up" as you're thinking, or
that he was
> just a logical choice for a figure, he would have been made
regardless.
>
> And as I sort of said in that post from a few days ago, the new
CONQUEST
> merchandise is pointless as "hype"... I mean this new film is NOT
going to be ou
> r CONQUEST, it's going to be an entity of it's own, so why even use
the
> current film and merchandise based on it as any kind of tool to get
people turned
> on? Why make a green jumpsuit wearing figure to sell in stores when
in the
> proposed film, the chimp might be ass-naked? Saying the current
APES product is
> being used to help pre-sell "Genesis" isn't logical... It'd be like
using a
> 1972 DeVille as a model to help sell your 2010 edition... ***
> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
the NEW
> AOL.com.
> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
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>

I have to agree.....& the horrible hand gestures & phony excitement got
on my nerves as well.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Why do you say that Hunter? I must have missed something?
>
> Did you watch the "Legacy" clip? He came across as very smug and full
> of himself, IMO....
>
> Hunter
>

Yeah, me too. I just watched it, and I kept wanting to smack him
upside the head.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I have to agree.....& the horrible hand gestures & phony excitement got
> on my nerves as well.
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you say that Hunter? I must have missed something?
> >
> > Did you watch the "Legacy" clip? He came across as very smug and full
> > of himself, IMO....
> >
> > Hunter
> >
>

Hey all, I am new to this forum, but it's got a ton of great
information on Planet of the Apes, which is exactly what I am looking
for. I need to write a paper for my rhetorical criticism class on
planet of the apes and the lens I chose to use was metaphorical
criticism. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Basically, I need to
use the metaphors in this movie to come up with an idea that will be
the length of 15 pages. I am currently thinking of relating it to the
idea that a lot of the metaphors represent the African American
struggle in the U.S. society in the 60s and onward. Thanks a lot for
taking your time, I appreciate any advice.

-Steve

I have just received an email from Scott Frank's personal assistant and
it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.

He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets rolling so...

WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?

Michael

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In a message dated 12/1/08 6:52:20 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

That's what I thought....a CGI Caesar....If he looks and moves like King Kong that might be okay.....

*** I agree KING KONG was easily one of the best CGI I've seen... From the way the they're describing the way they want this ape to look, it almost sounds like they might want to take their cue from the real life chimp they call the "Humanzee"... ***

 

But it sounds like it has nothing to do with either original POTA or the 2001 one....in that case, I hope they just don't even use "planet of the Apes" title at all!!!

*** Again, I agree with this.. While it sounds like the storyline they may want to veer off into could end up having APES style elements, it really doesn't sound like they're trying to create an updated APES saga at all... It sounds more like a new take on some of the ideas in the "Island of Dr. Moreau" (i.e. "genetically messed up creatures") rather than APES. ***

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*** The thing with the STAR WARS stuff... Yes, it is a different trilogy than the original three but the thing is they are/were supposed to be prequels to the ' 77-' 83 films... They are supposed to be in the same storyline... Hyping people up with the old SW made sense... It'd make them want to see more (i.e. how the events of the original three came to be)... The new trilogy showed how the originals came to be: They're "related"....

 

This proposed film from FOX has nothing to do with APES as we know it, and they're saying it too (which I'm glad they're doing)... You can't "hype" this film with original APES items because the two aren't the same thing at all... ***

 

 

In a message dated 12/1/08 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

This isn't exactly true. When George Lucas started work on his
horrible "Star Wars" prequels, there was a flood of rehashed Star
Wars items put out based from the classics, designed to help generate
excitement (& revenue). I know. Cause I fell for it hook line &
sinker & bought my son tons of figures, books, comics etc. and much
like you stated, it wasn't "my Star Wars universe" that these new
films were based in. So I don't think Michael is as off base as you
think he is.

 

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*** Just go get Eric Greene's book (Planet of the Apes as American Myth)... It should have every metaphor you're looking to explore and some that aren't visible to anyone anywhere except Greene himself. ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/1/08 11:32:16 PM Central Standard Time, smagelowitz@... writes:

Hey all, I am new to this forum, but it's got a ton of great
information on Planet of the Apes, which is exactly what I am looking
for. I need to write a paper for my rhetorical criticism class on
planet of the apes and the lens I chose to use was metaphorical
criticism. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Basically, I need to
use the metaphors in this movie to come up with an idea that will be
the length of 15 pages. I am currently thinking of relating it to the
idea that a lot of the metaphors represent the African American
struggle in the U.S. society in the 60s and onward. Thanks a lot for
taking your time, I appreciate any advice.

 

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I think of it more as an allegory.

 

 

In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:32:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, smagelowitz@... writes:

metaphorical
criticism.

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Like Patrick's Mothership.

 

 

In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:48:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** Just go get Eric Greene's book (Planet of the Apes as American Myth)... It should have every metaphor you're looking to explore and some that aren't visible to anyone anywhere except Greene himself. ***

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ask him if is going to have anything to do with classic POTA and if not tell him not to use names like Zaius and Cornelius!!! In fact tell him to just not mention planet of the apes at all!!
LOL

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> From: Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER not DIRECTOR!
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:33 AM
> I have just received an email from Scott Frank's
> personal assistant and
> it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.
>
> He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets
> rolling so...
>
> WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?
>
> Michael

Kong was acceptable as CGI because the original Kong was an animated
stop motion armature frame. POTA was nothing like that. It was the
very fact that apes had taken 'human' form and personalities that made
the story.

If they go the CGI route they may still have a great movie, but it
certainly won't be POTA and I echo the sentiment that they don't even
try to link the two together. It would only water down the POTA legacy
even more than the taint it got in 2001.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 0:35 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Update on new Caesar film

> In a message dated 12/1/08 6:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> That's what I thought....a CGI Caesar....If he looks and moves
> like King
> Kong that might be okay.....
> *** I agree KING KONG was easily one of the best CGI I've seen...
> From the
> way the they're describing the way they want this ape to look, it
> almost
> sounds like they might want to take their cue from the real life
> chimp they call
> the "Humanzee"... ***
>
>
> But it sounds like it has nothing to do with either original POTA
> or the
> 2001 one....in that case, I hope they just don't even use "planet
> of the Apes"
> title at all!!!
> *** Again, I agree with this.. While it sounds like the storyline
> they may
> want to veer off into could end up having APES style elements, it
> really
> doesn't sound like they're trying to create an updated APES saga
> at all... It
> sounds more like a new take on some of the ideas in the "Island of
> Dr. Moreau"
> (i.e. "genetically messed up creatures") rather than APES. ***
> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try
> the NEW
> AOL.com.
> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
> dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Yes, he had some great ideas.
>
> And back then nobody expected we'd be watching them at will in our

lounge rooms with a remote control to pause and slow-play all errors!

>
> I mean what kind of psycho cares where the ship's seats are or how

many there were... ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> Greetings, folks,
>
> I just wanted to let you all know that Timeline of the Planet of

the

> Apes: The Definitive Chronology is now available online:
>
> http://www.hassleinbooks.com
>
> For those who purchase it, I hope you enjoy it!
>
> Rich

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> That's not Patrick folks - one word..no way!
>
>
>
> IMPOSTER! :-)

Thanks, Patrick! I am positive that we WILL disagree. :)

But, that said, I would love to hear your feedback on it when you
receive it.




--"patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> *** I just placed my order, and look forward to seeing your take on
> POTA chronology. I don't doubt that we'll disagree on any number of
> things, but that's what these yahoo groups are for, right?
>
> Patrick
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks, Patrick! I am positive that we WILL disagree. :)
>
> But, that said, I would love to hear your feedback on it when you
> receive it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@...>
wrote:

>
> I think the Alpha Centauri thing is also a possible confusion with

the original novel...the astronauts in it were going to Alpha Centauri.

>
> Mel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , atragon1@... wrote:

>
>
> I really enjoyed Ty's REVOLUTION series. You know what I would

really like to see..something that takes place between ESCAPE and
CONQUEST....

>
> I've always thought that the apes in CONQUEST got too smart, too

fast. And that Caesar definitely had some kind of telepathic control
over apes of lesser intelligence (kind of like Obi-Wan using the
Force on the Stormtroopers).

>
> What could have happened to the bodies of Cornelius, Zira and Milo

after they were killed? I conjecture that, after a standard autopsy
(hey, maybe someone would unearth some "ape autopsy" footage!) the
bodies were put on ice. Some years later, when Ape servitude proved
to be a widespread and profitable business, the genes of the
apeonauts were used by Ape Management to breed more intelligent apes -
- easier to train. This, of course, was their undoing and
accelerated the take over of the apes.

>
> Thus, sharing the same genetic code, gave Caesar a telepathic

influence over the simple-minded apes (this influence faded in
BATTLE, since the apes had become more intelligent over time.

>
> I'm sure Patrick must have thought this through already...
>
> Any thoughts?
> Bill

I don't believe I did. Is it available online?


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> *** Just out of curiosity, Rich, have you read my first published POTA
> chronology piece, in issue #2 of APESFAN? It was entitled, "A
> CHRONOLOGY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES", a 4-page piece. I have, of
> course, modified certain details since then for my own POTA project.
>
> Patrick
>

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> I don't buy into this notion of Caesar having some kind of telepathic
> influence over anybody. Influence, sure. But not telepathic
> influence. His mere facial expression... the look in his eyes... is
> enough to convey his intent that these simian slaves commit acts of
> disobedience and downright defiance. You don't need telepathy to be
> able to get that point across, in my opinion.

I agree 100%. I thought the whole telepathic thing was stupid, and I
don't think the Conquest ending means literal telepathy when talking
about the emperor moth....

Hunter

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In a message dated 12/2/08 3:20:18 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Don't believe all you read kiddies! 

*** Do you have "inside information" Whitty?

Have you taken over for Veetus as the "Hollywood Reporter"? ***

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In a message dated 12/2/08 3:01:19 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I'm with you about the look of the apes.  I think they should see the light and go classic, however Frank's writing –not directing – so this won't be his decision.  It will be written with a certain thing in mind but not set in concrete.

**** If the film is NOT going to be connected to APES, then why would you want it to have the classic look? It'll be it's own entity, so it should have it's own look... It's not PLANET, so why make it appear as such, unless you want to deceive people into thinking this newly proposed film is an extension of the classic films. **

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You're probably right about that!

Incidentally, my book doesn't take a stance on this issue--it allows
for ALL possible timelines.




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> You know why I think we POTA fans have trouble getting on? It's

because,

> like religion, every single one of us has our OWN version of the

timeline!

>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 4:11 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
> Thanks, Patrick! I am positive that we WILL disagree. :)
>
> But, that said, I would love to hear your feedback on it when you
> receive it.
>
> --"patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > *** I just placed my order, and look forward to seeing your take on
> > POTA chronology. I don't doubt that we'll disagree on any number of
> > things, but that's what these yahoo groups are for, right?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> I agree 100%. I thought the whole telepathic thing was stupid, and I
> don't think the Conquest ending means literal telepathy when talking
> about the emperor moth....

I know the telepathic aspect was controversial, but to tell you the
truth, I liked it--it explained a lot, particularly how the heck the
apes were able to speak in the fifth film.

Hi, folks,

This is an open invitation--if anyone here has a MySpace account and
is interested in being added as a "friend" to the MySpace page for
Hasslein Book (http://www.myspace.com/hasslein), feel free to send me
an invite. All are welcome as friend-adds.

Rich

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In a message dated 12/2/08 4:07:34 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

I know the telepathic aspect was controversial, but to tell you the
truth, I liked it--it explained a lot, particularly how the heck the
apes were able to speak in the fifth film.

*** How does it explain that, speaking in Battle? ***

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