--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/2/08 4:07:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
> I know the telepathic aspect was controversial, but to tell you the
> truth, I liked it--it explained a lot, particularly how the heck the
> apes were able to speak in the fifth film.
> *** How does it explain that, speaking in Battle? ***

According to Revolution on the POTA, as part of his mental abilities,
Caesar was able to dream things into being. Since he dreamed that his
people would attain the power of speech, they soon did.

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In a message dated 12/2/08 6:23:14 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

According to Revolution on the POTA, as part of his mental abilities,
Caesar was able to dream things into being.  Since he dreamed that his
people would attain the power of speech, they soon did.

*** I'd be hard pressed to count anything from REVOLUTION in a discussion of Caesar and CONQUEST...

 

Sure, FOX may have authorized the comic, but the material within it had nothing to do with the "canon" as to what the apes were able to do in CONQUEST... The two really don't fit together that way. ***

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I scanned both issues of Apesfan a while back. Because I could never
secure the permission, they are not hosted on Hunters site. I have have
both high resolution and low resolution scans. But at 60 pages, even the
low resolution scans are 70mMB in total (The high res comes in at close
to 270MB). So I can't send the files via email. But I would be willing
to FTP them to one or two hosts.

I might also be able to put them on another web site that I have control
over, but my ISP does not allow me that much space and I would have to
take it down after a few days. If I put them up and people started
downloading them all at once, I would probably also get shut down by my ISP.

Can anyone host the files?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes

> I don't believe I did. Is it available online?
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > *** Just out of curiosity, Rich, have you read my first published
> POTA
> > chronology piece, in issue #2 of APESFAN? It was entitled, "A
> > CHRONOLOGY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES", a 4-page piece. I have, of
> > course, modified certain details since then for my own POTA
> project.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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You're thinking of Lost In Space.

 

 

In a message dated 12/2/2008 1:25:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

the astronauts in it were going to Alpha Centauri.

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Ahh, I  knew Patrick would respond! Thanks.
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*** Well, I'll have a go at it, Bill.

 

I don't buy into this notion of Caesar having some kind of telepathic
influence over anybody. Influence, sure. But not telepathic
influence. His mere facial expression... the look in his eyes... is
enough to convey his intent that these simian slaves commit acts of
disobedience and downright defiance. You don't need telepathy to be
able to get that point across, in my opinion.

 

**********************************************

 

I don't think that Caesar was an outright telepath -- where he could read or place his
direct thoughts in the minds of others, but rather he could use his influence over
less intelligent apes (who he had a rapport with because they shared some genetic stock.

 

**********************************************

 

I also don't buy into the notion that Ape Management was actively
attempting to increase the I.Q. of the servant apes in the city.
Their purpose at APE MANAGEMENT was to "condition" the apes, so as to
control them better. When the chick at APE MANAGEMENT called to
have "superior males" -- 2 gorillas, 1 chimpanzee -- sent to the
Breeding Annex to inseminate the newly-arrived female apes, it wasn't
to increase the overall I.Q. level of the city's apes -- it was a
purely PHYSICAL superiority that they were looking for. Remember,
Caesar's physical superiority to the imported chimpanzees would've
been due to him having been trained as a bareback rider of horses in
Armando's circus. Caesar was an athlete. Also, his interactions with
humans prior to smuggling himself into Shipment 5-01-Indonesia ex
Borneo gave him an edge compared to the chimps imported from places
in Africa (i.e. "the wild").

 

Let's get real, folks. Back in 1973, the world became informed that
the Ape-onauts had come from our Future... a future where Apes had
turned the tables on Mankind, reducing them to the status of "dumb
brutes". It was to PREVENT that future that the Commission
recommended by majority vote that the President have the unborn child
of Zira aborted, its parents rendered ("humanely") incapable of
bearing or begetting another child. Hasslein had feared that the Apes
could become part of the simian gene pool, interbreeding
with "primitive" apes (chimps, presumably) in order to create their
own intelligent ancestors.

 

There's no way in hell that Mankind would ever intentionally do any
gene-tinkering with Ape-onaut DNA so as to create smarter and smarter
apes, especially ones capable of human-type speech. This would undo
the "achievement" of Hasslein when he (and the soldier) murdered the
3 apes on that derelict ship back in 1973. The very existence of
Cornelius AND Zira AND the baby the former had conceived was
considered a THREAT that had been neutralized. Until the incident
when Armando's circus chimp was heard to shout out "Lousy human
bastard!" When Breck learned soon thereafter that Armando had been in
the L.A. region when the authorities were searching for the escaped
Apes back in 1973, he THEN began to wonder if "the right baby" had
been killed. There's no way in hell that Breck would approve of I.Q.-
enhancing genetic tinkering with the Apes in his city... apes who
are "burning with resentment" at their status as abused slaves.

 

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Ahh, its called: IRONY!

 

I would think that APE MANAGEMENT would have employed many scientist
who would have specialized in genetics. As ape slavery became more and
more widespread -- and a profitable business as a slave trade -- Ape Management's
business managers would have been highly motivated to use any means possible to
reduce the number of disobedient apes and line the shareholder's pockets.

 

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The fact is, though, that the servant apes DID become generally
smarter and smarter... and, as Lisa's end-of-the-movie dialogue
proves, capable of human-type speech. Breck wasn't paranoid about
this trend -- he saw that it was happening... probably had been going
out of his way to catch any whiff of such increased intelligence in
the Apes... and, when the I.Q. report comes in, he triumphantly
accuses MacDonald of saying that he (Breck) is "imagining" things.

 

Why would Breck be so seemingly paranoid about the Apes getting
smarter and smarter?

 

Simple.

 

According to the interrogation of Cornelius and Zira at Camp Eleven,
after the Dog/Cat Plague, Mankind would take in Apes as replacement
pets. But eventually those pets would become enslaved. They
would "perform services"... and the timeframe of this pets-to-slaves
change-of-status is given, by Cornelius, as over "the course of TWO
CENTURIES."

 

TWO CENTURIES!!!

 

That's what Cornelius told Hasslein to expect. A plague that would
kill off all the dogs and cats. Mankind replacing those lost pets
with Apes. And, over the course of TWO CENTURIES, those Pets would
become Slaves.

 

Zira adds that those Apes who served human masters "turned the
tables" on their owners AFTER THREE MORE CENTURIES.

 

When the Plague strikes in 1983, those who knew of the interrogation
would expect that Man would eventually make pets of Monkeys and Apes.
And, IF they believed that Cornelius and Zira were being truthful
regarding the timeframe they gave, they would expect it to take 200
years or so for those Pets to be reduced to Slavery. And, once
enslaved, it would take them another 300 years or so for them to
overthrow their oppressive masters -- and, presumably, acquiring the
ability to Talk at that point.

 

That's what those in-the-know would EXPECT, due to the interrogation
of Cornelius and Zira. Half a millennium more of human dominance on
planet Earth.

 

What happens, instead?

 

After the 1983 plague -- in which all the dogs and cats died within a
month -- Apes are, indeed, made into replacement pets.

 

And ONLY A FEW YEARS LATER they are reduced to the status of Slaves.

 

NOT "two centuries"... but only a few YEARS later! CONQUEST takes
place only EIGHT years after the Plague.

 

**************************************************************************

 

I could say that the reason for the variance with Cornelius' story and the events in CONQUEST
where do to CONQUEST occurring in an ALTERNATE TIMELINE...but that would be too easy.

 

Going with the circular timeline, I would say that Cornelius' version was clouded by history
and altered over the centuries. I would also say that Cornelius' Aldo has nothing to do
with gorilla General Aldo (who saved the world, by the way, when he slaughtered Kolp in the bus).

 

The only explanation would be that C & Z's DNA was synthesized and used to smarten up the slave apes
for their servitude.

 

***************************************************************************

 

Somebody had to have told Breck that the future timeframe given by
Cornelius and Zira MUST be false. Mankind does NOT have around 500
years left to rule the world. It DIDN'T take 200 years for pet-apes
to be turned into slave-apes... it took only a few YEARS.

 

On the offhand chance that "an ape named Aldo" will arrive on-the-
scene to instigate a Slave Revolt, Breck is warned to look out for
any ape with that name. THAT is why Breck is in possession of a
Messenger ape -- a chimpanzee named "Aldo" -- in the beginning of
CONQUEST. Breck (in my scenario) purchased that chimp via "eminent
domain" when he was informed by APE MANAGEMENT that somebody had
named their newly-purchased chimpanzee "Aldo". Breck had told APE
MANAGEMENT to keep track of the publicly-recorded names of all
servant apes... and IF an ape were to be named "Aldo" they were to
inform him of it. And somebody DID name their new chimp "Aldo"... and
APE MANAGEMENT informed Breck of this... so Breck used his powers as
Governor to buy that chimp from his owner.

 

Keep your friends close, but your ENEMIES closer.

 

Breck had been keeping an eye on his Messenger chimp, just in case
THIS chimp is the "ape named Aldo" spoken of by Cornelius. NOT an ape
who would show up some 500 years in the future, but an ape that would
show up much much EARLIER than Hasslein had been led to believe.

 

Somebody probably remembered, too, that Cornelius and Zira's
timeframe given in their Camp 11 interrogation CONFLICTS with
Cornelius' earlier testimony to the Commission: that the English
language had been spoken by the ancestors of his time [i.e. 3955]
for "nearly 2,000 years"... i.e. since THE 20TH CENTURY. NOT the 25th
Century, as would seem to be indicated in their Camp 11 story.

 

Breck isn't confident that Man has another 500 years to rule the
world. He vociferously states that IF the humans fighting the rioting
apes in his city lose THIS battle, it will be THE END OF HUMAN
CIVILIZATION. The world will belong to "a planet of apes"!

 

Breck became concerned -- well before Armando and his circus chimp
flew into his city -- that Man's civilization had its days numbered.
He KNEW that the "two" plus "three" CENTURIES timeframe had to be
bogus. The Federal dudes who were anticipating Ape Slavery to begin
some 200 years after the Plague had to have freaked out when the pet
Apes in their cities began to be turned into Slaves two centuries
earlier than Cornelius' timeframe "predicted" they would be.

 

So, I imagine Breck being briefed about what Hasslein discovered at
Camp 11 back in 1973. The too-soon enslavement of Apes has put that
iffy chronology into question... and, just in case not only the Ape
Enslavement but also the Fall of Human Civilization is happening in
an accelerated rate, they warn Breck about the appearance of "an ape
named Aldo"...

 

So Breck goes out of his way to acquire an ape with that name: the
chimpanzee who becomes "a messenger... for the Governor"...

 

In my scenario, that chimp named Aldo DIES of the brutal beating he
endures at the Civic Center. After he dies, the name "Aldo" is freed
up for use by another slave-holder... and the person who purchases
one of the "superior" gorillas acquired in Shipment 5-09 A-for-Africa
ex French Camaroons names his new slave "Aldo". This GORILLA named
Aldo is the same one that Caesar saw being subjected to the "No!"-
conditioning during his first day at APE MANAGEMENT. He isn't given
the name "Aldo" until after he is sold at the same auction Caesar is
sold at (as "Lot Eight").

 

Perhaps Breck expected his new chimp slave to choose the name "Aldo"
from the Book of Names... expecting him to fulfill the pseudo-
prophecy of Cornelius. Breck "first thought" that his chimp slave was
the "talking ape" who MAY be the changeling son of Zira and Cornelius
who was heard to say "Lousy human bastard!" during the incident at
the Civic Center labor demonstration. But when his new slave picked
the name "Caesar" instead... it threw him off.

 

From that point on, though, he (and APE MANAGEMENT) are looking for a
talking CHIMPANZEE... and when a GORILLA is given the name "Aldo"
Breck doesn't seem overly concerned. Oh, he may have the gorilla's
owner keep an eye on him... just in case the "ape" Cornelius spoke of
was a Gorilla, rather than a Chimpanzee. But Breck is more concerned
with finding the talking CHIMPANZEE whom he knows is hiding somewhere
in his city.

 

Breck "knows" at this point that the surviving son of the Ape-onauts
would have the INTELLIGENCE to lead a slave revolt. The notion that
Breck would WANT the slave apes to become smarter and smarter...
well, I just don't buy it. As MacDonald wryly observes, intelligence
is not encouraged among slaves. "Ah, don't be so TOUCHY, Mr.
MacDonald!..."

 

Despite the fact that Breck (i.e. the Powers-That-Be) do NOT want the
servant apes to become more intelligent... they indeed ARE getting
smarter and smarter. Breck ISN'T imagining things. The question is,
then, WHY are the apes becoming generally smarter and smarter?

 

That I.Q. report came in too soon after the appearance of Caesar in
the city for him to have had any catalyst-like affect on simian
intelligence. I just don't buy into this notion of "telepathy" on
Caesar's part.

 

The apes living in Caesar's treefort-type "Ape City" in BATTLE are
all able to Speak. Where did they acquire this ability? Where (and
When) did they acquire the change in physiognomy that enables vocal
speech?

 

In my scenario, populations of Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas
living in Africa and Indonesia were "interfered with" by beings with
the scientific know-how to create so-called CHIMERA lifeforms.
Hybrids developed via Transgenics -- gene splicing, etc -- to have
abilities transferred over to THEIR genome from the genomes of other
species.

 

Years before Zira gave birth to Baby Milo, an orangutan who would
later be named MANDEMUS had been born. Born with the capacity for
intelligent thought and the physiognomy to vocalize those thoughts.
Mandemus is OLDER THAN Caesar. Mandemus didn't BECOME smart as a
result of Caesar telepathically boosting his I.Q., dammit! That's
ludicrous. Mandemus -- like all the other non-primitive Apes who
later are proven to be capable of intelligent speech -- had to have
been born with those innate abilities. They are the result of a
hybridization procedure: they are descended from "primitive" apes...
but they had the genes of OTHER SPECIES injected into their genomes
prior to conception.

 

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Good point, but even though Mandemus is older than Caesar, I think that
he was given the C & Z cocktail and that's what smartened him up.

 

********************************************************************

 

That's the only plausible explanation. I rule out magic.

 

Patrick

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Yes.  Like Groundhog Day.

 

 

In a message dated 12/2/2008 3:07:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

You know my dad always explained this as "when you deal with time travel you can get away with anything.  This could be the third time round and things may have changed, but only slightly."

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But what about the Mutants in Beneath?

They were telepathic.  Though that was stupid too.

 

 

In a message dated 12/2/2008 3:12:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

and I
don't think the Conquest ending means literal telepathy when talking
about the emperor moth....

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Details.  Maybe someone shits instead of farting.

Then they have to go home and change and leave

the house later missing being killed in an accident.

On the other hand they might get hit by a streetcar

the next day.  So the character is still dead anyway.

I think I saw a movie like that on cable.  People who

should have died one way and didn't and death is

trying to catch up with them in all sorts of ways.

 

 

In a message dated 12/2/2008 8:52:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

maybe someone farts instead of shitting and there are consequences. ...

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Nice one Whitty!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I have just received an email from Scott Frank's personal assistant
and
> it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.
>
> He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets rolling so...
>
> WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?
>
> Michael
>

Anyone remember a couple of years ago there were some pics floating around of a production of "rigoletto" done in bavaria and it seemed to be set on the Planet of the Apes? Does anyone have any of those pics? I did a google search and can only find one small one....
I'd appreciate it!
Tim

You cannot consider anything in the comic to be canon, nice as the idea would be.

We decided to give Caesar a kind of telepathy because a) He strongly seemed to have the ability in certain scenes of the fourth film, and we were riffing off that... and b) the idea that he was gestating in Zira's womb DURING a trip backwards in time was a circumstance SO unusual in fiction we wanted to play with it.  What DOES it do to your brain and your perception if you start off life going backwards?

But it ain't canon.  And though FOX approved our little comic, I highly doubt more than two people in the entire FOX organization were even aware of our story as it was coming out.

Ty the Guy

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

In a message dated 12/2/08 6:23:14 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

According to Revolution on the POTA, as part of his mental abilities,
Caesar was able to dream things into being.  Since he dreamed that his
people would attain the power of speech, they soon did.

*** I'd be hard pressed to count anything from REVOLUTION in a discussion of Caesar and CONQUEST...

 

Sure, FOX may have authorized the comic, but the material within it had nothing to do with the "canon" as to what the apes were able to do in CONQUEST... The two really don't fit together that way. ***

---

Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com.

>Posted by: "Ty Templeton" tybunny@... stigbunny
>You cannot consider anything in the comic to be canon, nice as the idea
>would be.

It's okay with me. I still consider that miniseries better than the
vast majority of POTA tales published over the years. Canon is a
meaningless concept to me--it's all fiction, after all. I'm more
concerned with a very basic question: Is it entertaining to me, and
if so, does it enhance my enjoyment of the films? For Revolution,
the answer to both parts of that question is "yes." So for me,
Revolution has relevance. It's certainly better than the cartoons,
the Burton film, most of the Adventure run, the Apeslayer comics,
several of the Marvel comics, the entire Dark Horse run, a number of
the TV episodes, and even a couple of the films. As far as I'm
concerned, Revolution is part of my "personal canon," as it were, for
Planet of the Apes. How Fox views it in terms of canonicity is,
ultimately, unimportant to me--they greenlit the Burton film and the
cartoons, so I don't give them a lot of credence.

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Why is beyond me.  I watched Journey To The Center Of The Earth

in 3D last night.  Damn them all to hell for ruining a Classic with their

poor direction, sub-par acting and lackluster writing.  I'm tired of

Hollywood craning out these overblown remakes that offer little

in the way of improvement except SFX.  Keanue Reeves in

The Day The Earth Stood Still?  WTF?  It going to be the

Same & Lame.  Like Brandon Fraiser's Mummy jokes.

 

 

In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:54:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

they greenlit the Burton film

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In a message dated 12/3/08 4:09:26 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Dude – it's a POTA movie!

*** At this point in time, I'm led to believe it will be a movie featuring an intelligent ape, that's all... They themselves have pretty much said it's got no connection to what came before. Whether you want to call it a reimagined concept, a reboot of the concept, or whatever, it's not an APES film as I know them and by their own admission it's not an APES film either... It may have some APES-like qualities but it's going to be it's own beast. That's not to say I won't see it, but I wont be seeing it thinking it's an APES film, especially the way they're describing it at this time. Hopefully they will not use any apes names or any of that cheap "reference" sh*t like pota2001 did. I've yet to read anything that will lead me to believe this is simply a modern take on APES franchise... ***

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In a message dated 12/3/08 7:06:36 AM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Anyone remember a couple of years ago there were some pics floating around of a production of "rigoletto" done in bavaria and it seemed to be set on the Planet of the Apes? Does anyone have any of those pics? I did a google search and can only find one small one....

*** Even one picture of someone doing an APES opera is too many! Next thing you know, they really will be trying to do the SIMPSONS musical too... Blasphemers. ***

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I agree....but a friend of mine made a reference to classical music and Planet of the apes and I wanted to share photos....

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Apes Opera
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:17 PM
> In a message dated 12/3/08 7:06:36 AM Central Standard Time,
>
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Anyone remember a couple of years ago there were some pics
> floating around
> of a production of "rigoletto" done in bavaria
> and it seemed to be set on the
> Planet of the Apes? Does anyone have any of those pics? I
> did a google search
> and can only find one small one....
>
>
>
> *** Even one picture of someone doing an APES opera is too
> many! Next thing
> you know, they really will be trying to do the SIMPSONS
> musical too...
> Blasphemers. ***
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends,
> email, and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091556/Mind-g-ape-Planet-Apes-characters-invade-London-Tube-make-sure-monkey-business.html"

Dario - I have been using a site called zshare to host unofficial
podcasts of a friends radio show (usually about 60 MBs). It hosts
pictures, video, audio, any files I think. What's good is it's very
anonymous; doesn't require any registration and won't show up in any
internet searches. You just have to take note of the address it gives
you and pass it on to whoever you want to share your file with.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> I scanned both issues of Apesfan a while back. Because I could never
> secure the permission, they are not hosted on Hunters site. I have
have
> both high resolution and low resolution scans. But at 60 pages,
even the
> low resolution scans are 70mMB in total (The high res comes in at
close
> to 270MB). So I can't send the files via email. But I would be
willing
> to FTP them to one or two hosts.
>
> I might also be able to put them on another web site that I have
control
> over, but my ISP does not allow me that much space and I would have
to
> take it down after a few days. If I put them up and people started
> downloading them all at once, I would probably also get shut down
by my ISP.
>
> Can anyone host the files?
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:56 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timeline of the Planet of the Apes
>
> > I don't believe I did. Is it available online?
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> > <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > > *** Just out of curiosity, Rich, have you read my first
published
> > POTA
> > > chronology piece, in issue #2 of APESFAN? It was entitled, "A
> > > CHRONOLOGY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES", a 4-page piece. I have,
of
> > > course, modified certain details since then for my own POTA
> > project.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I never thought Caesar was using telepathy in Conquest until it was
suggested here and in Revolution. I'd always assumed that the other
apes were responding to some off-camera instructions from Caesar and
awaiting his signal to act. If memory serves, the first time we see
them in their basement they're already collecting weapons - there's no
way that's their first meeting. In fact I think the draft
scripts/Marvel version mention earlier plotting with Aldo and others?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> > I agree 100%. I thought the whole telepathic thing was stupid, and
I
> > don't think the Conquest ending means literal telepathy when talking
> > about the emperor moth....
>
> I know the telepathic aspect was controversial, but to tell you the
> truth, I liked it--it explained a lot, particularly how the heck the
> apes were able to speak in the fifth film.
>

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In a message dated 12/3/08 4:36:08 PM Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

You cannot consider anything in the comic to be canon, nice as the idea would be.

*** Not entirely true... The uniforms you gave the servant apes were canon... ***

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In a message dated 12/3/08 8:06:46 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I agree....but a friend of mine made a reference to classical music and Planet of the apes and I wanted to share photos....

*** I have nothing against your wanting to share the photos... My problem is the fact that someone out there thought that it was actually a good idea... ***

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Thanks for sharing this.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091556/Mind-g-ape-Planet-
Apes-characters-invade-London-Tube-make-sure-monkey-business.htmlbr> >

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apemania hits London!

Thanks for sharing this.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
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> http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1091556/ Mind-g-ape- Planet-
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In a message dated 12/4/08 5:00:29 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Yeah, and a nice little echo of a newspaper report of when the POTA Live show toured England back in the mid seventies. They were photographed on the Tube as well.

*** Do you (or does anyone for that matter) have any clippings from that? And if you do, can you post them? ***

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yeah....it looked pretty silly....

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Apes Opera
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 10:37 PM
> In a message dated 12/3/08 8:06:46 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> I agree....but a friend of mine made a reference to
> classical music and
> Planet of the apes and I wanted to share photos....
>
>
> *** I have nothing against your wanting to share the
> photos... My problem is
> the fact that someone out there thought that it was
> actually a good idea...
> ***
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Attachments :

How about this?

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apemania hits London!
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:03 PM
> In a message dated 12/4/08 5:00:29 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> Yeah, and a nice little echo of a newspaper report of when
> the POTA Live
> show toured England back in the mid seventies. They were
> photographed on the
> Tube as well.
>
>
> *** Do you (or does anyone for that matter) have any
> clippings from that?
> And if you do, can you post them? ***

weird....the pic I have has a small blurb with it but when it shows up here there's only a pic......hmmmmm

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apemania hits London!
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:49 PM
> How about this?
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, mlccougar@...
> <mlccougar@...> wrote:
>
> > From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apemania hits London!
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:03 PM
> > In a message dated 12/4/08 5:00:29 PM Central Standard
> Time,
> >
> > ntfoster@... writes:
> >
> > Yeah, and a nice little echo of a newspaper report of
> when
> > the POTA Live
> > show toured England back in the mid seventies. They
> were
> > photographed on the
> > Tube as well.
> >
> >
> > *** Do you (or does anyone for that matter) have any
> > clippings from that?
> > And if you do, can you post them? ***

Hello,

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Yes, they were released on Monday Dec 1st.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Can you give us some details?

1: Definitely no book - a colossal disappointment!

2: Not available separately - The UK market rarely makes separates
available at the same time as box sets. 'we' usually wait until no
more box sets are being sold and THEN release them separately - That
said I can find no mention of the separate titles in any current
release schedules.

3: The extras listed on the UK packaging are identical to the USA but
as I haven't actually bought a set yet I can't confirm (I'm waiting
for the price to settle). Unfortunately the UK is somewhat notorious
for 'cut and pasting' U.S specs and sometimes extras get listed that
are not actually on the discs. The usual excuse is that 'we needed the
space for extra languages' but with the extra storage capacity of Blu
Ray that ought not be an issue.

Please let me be clear - all I'm saying is that without actually
owning a set I can't say with absolute 100% certainty that the extras
are the same - only that they appear to be.

Dave

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> I can't even see them on eBay!

Item number: 180310989909

Dave

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The creator of "Famous Monsters of Filmland" magazine & probably the
original "fanboy", Forrest J. Ackerman has died. He made Monsters fun
when I was a kid & I still remember ordering Planet of the Apes models
& the lifesized cardboard Galen out of the back pages. He will be
missed.

Funny, I'm more shocked to see them smoking on public transport than
the fact they're apes.
The gorilla costumes (top half at least) look more authentic than I
might have imagined.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
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>
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>
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Hi. My name is Cassidy but you all may call me Cass. I'm 13 years old
and I have recently rediscovered Planet of the Apes. When I was about 6
years old I absolutely loved the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes. Through
this I discovered the original ones. At one time I had a Cornelius doll
and a Zira doll. Not sure what happened to them but one day I hope to
buy the Sideshow dolls. Hopefully they'll make one of Caesar wearing
the outfit he wore in Battle For the Planet of the Apes.

I write Planet of the Apes fanfics. Currently working on my second one.
So far its 42 pages long. I'm rather proud of myself. Pretty good. I
posted my first fanfic on a fanfiction site and I got pretty good
reviews for it. Okay I only have two reviews for it but they're both
good. Well I read the novel for Escape from the Planet of the Apes in
about three days. Such a good movie. It and Conquest are my favorites.

Thanks,
Cass

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In a message dated 12/6/08 2:18:46 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

 

Would love to read some of your fanfics.

*** Yeah, then you and Foster can adapt them into comics. ***

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And with good reason. Still no extended version of 'Battle' for
Europe?

I'm wondering now, if the prices get reasonable, it might be better
just to order a US version and get an American region player.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Sounds like a lot of pissed off poms!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> Dave B
> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 8:21 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] UK Blue Ray - more views
>
>
>
> <http://www.avforums
> <http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-ray-movies-tv-programmes/874491-

planet-a

> pes-collection-uk-blu-ray.htmlgt;
> .com/forums/blu-ray-movies-tv-programmes/874491-planet-apes-

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> u-ray.htmlgt;
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> The creator of "Famous Monsters of Filmland" magazine & probably the
> original "fanboy", Forrest J. Ackerman has died. He made Monsters fun
> when I was a kid & I still remember ordering Planet of the Apes models
> & the lifesized cardboard Galen out of the back pages. He will be
> missed.
>

That is sad news.

Graham.

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Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two different cuts of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that you've seen the bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was gonna be or are you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated it to be is better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the original prologue isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they chopped it up to use for the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading about it, it's gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of bloodshed and not anything different storywise...

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In a message dated 12/6/08 10:55:31 PM Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

2. It's the only time the reference "Planet of the Apes" is made in the entire saga

*** Obviously you haven't watched the RETURN series in awhile... Every episode lets you know that it's "POTA" ...

 

While the line, the way it's delivered, is okay I'd have preferred they didn't use it... I mean we already know what the film series is called, we already know that what Caesar did will lead to a "planet of apes" (don't forget, Breck got that phrase in there too!), so it's kind of pointless... CONQUEST was supposedly the darkest film of the series, yet it has a "feelgood" line like that in it... Just kinda weird... ***

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In a message dated 12/6/08 11:38:25 PM Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

I was refering to the motion pictures.

*** Yes, I knew that... I guess my little "smiley" icon didn't show up... ***

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Check out 'My Three Sons,' B-Movie Actress Dies

Click here: 'My Three Sons,' B-Movie Actress Dies

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Although I think it is an odd edit when the apes are burning through the door of Ape Management and Breck is all fired up and has that line...the world will become a Planet of the Apes!" (papraphrasing)...when he says Planet of the Apes the camera is on the door....they should have kept the camera on him....IMHO

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

> From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Which CONQUEST do you prefer?
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 11:55 PM
> I prefer the theatrical version. But only for two reasons.
> 1. It's the version I grew up with. And 2. It's the
> only time the reference "Planet of the Apes" is
> made in the entire saga. And a great moment it is.
> And you can't beat that. :o)
>
> The Uncut version is great as well, only the score is
> better edited in the theatrical version for sure. But still
> great.
> It's all good.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
> >

Farewell Wanda! Rest in Peace.....

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: [PotaDG] Check out 'My Three Sons,' B-Movie Actress Dies
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:09 PM
> _Click here: 'My Three Sons,' B-Movie Actress Dies_
>
> ( http://www.popeater.com/television/article/my-three-sons-b-movie-actress-dies/270115?icid=200100397x12
> 14989137x1200944382)
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If he's writing the new movie (not re-writing that 'Genesis' script),
how much scope is he given? Presumably he's given certain parameters to
work within by the studio, like setting, continuity and characters?
We'd need to know first if he's been given a starting point.

With a title like 'Caesar' and the rumours of a 'Conquest' re-
imagining, it sounds like such a project would try to
replace 'Conquest' in the official canon. I don't get why that would
seem like a good adea to anyone, Conquest is generally regarded as the
second best of all the movies. Something set immediately before
Conquest might work, something immediately after might be better, even
if it contradicts 'Battle', best of all would be a cyclical-
timeline 'original' ape revolt, though that should exclude Caesar's
involvement.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I have just received an email from Scott Frank's personal assistant
and
> it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.
>
> He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets rolling so...
>
> WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?
>
> Michael
>

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How long ago did you purchase your blu ray player? You may need an upgrade.

Al


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

I just popped my Blu Ray POTA disc in. I can watch the movie and play the game, but I can't access any of the other special features. Did anyone else have this problem or is it just me?

Jeff B

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Ruiz

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:46 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

How long ago did you purchase your blu ray player? You may need an upgrade.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@cox. net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

I just popped my Blu Ray POTA disc in. I can watch the movie and play the game, but I can't access any of the other special features. Did anyone else have this problem or is it just me?

Jeff B

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Ruiz

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:46 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

How long ago did you purchase your blu ray player? You may need an upgrade.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@cox. net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

I just popped my Blu Ray POTA disc in. I can watch the movie and play the game, but I can't access any of the other special features. Did anyone else have this problem or is it just me?

Jeff B

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>> How long ago did you purchase your blu ray player? You may need an upgrade.

> Yesterday

The better question is what model and when was it manufactured. In
any case, what you're describing sounds like a firmware update is
needed, as Al suggested.

Just because you bought it yesterday doesn't mean it wasn't
manufactured before the latest round of firmware updates.

Hunter

Good point!

Al


-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA blueray extras

>> How long ago did you purchase your blu ray player? You may need an upgrade.

> Yesterday

The better question is what model and when was it manufactured. In
any case, what you're describing sounds like a firmware update is
needed, as Al suggested.

Just because you bought it yesterday doesn't mean it wasn't
manufactured before the latest round of firmware updates.

Hunter

I for one LOVE the unrated Conquest. I always hated that Caesar's
rage suddenly disappeared by the end of the film & hated his change
even more in Battle. I like the violent ending, no mercy for Breck &
Caesar remaining the angry leader with no room for humans in his new
world. That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their hatred
of us!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two
different cuts
> of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that you've
seen the
> bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was
gonna be or are
> you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated it
to be is
> better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the
original prologue
> isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they chopped it
up to use for
> the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading
about it, it's
> gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of bloodshed
and not
> anything different storywise...
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email,
and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
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>

I did on my PS3. I had to run an update & it works fine now.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> I just popped my Blu Ray POTA disc in. I can watch the movie and
play the game, but I can't access any of the other special features.
Did anyone else have this problem or is it just me?
>
> Jeff B
>

I would have loved to have seen how Battle would have turned out had
Conquest kept its original ending.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I for one LOVE the unrated Conquest. I always hated that Caesar's
> rage suddenly disappeared by the end of the film & hated his change
> even more in Battle. I like the violent ending, no mercy for Breck &
> Caesar remaining the angry leader with no room for humans in his new
> world. That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their hatred
> of us!
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two
> different cuts
> > of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that you've
> seen the
> > bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was
> gonna be or are
> > you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated it
> to be is
> > better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the
> original prologue
> > isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they chopped it
> up to use for
> > the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading
> about it, it's
> > gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of bloodshed
> and not
> > anything different storywise...
> > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email,
> and
> > favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
> dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
> >
>

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I like both.  I can certainly see why they changed it.

No doubt the director preferred the darker direction.

But I can see parents objection to all that blood.

I remember thinking even back then that the end

did seem very tacked on.  However, the original

end without the music swelling after the Birth od

the POTA quote, (I won't say falls flat, but . . .)

just seems to lay there.  But either works for me.

a lot of the dialogue seems very contrived anyway.

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/8/2008 1:20:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their hatred
of us!

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Okay.  Then there could conceivably be two second revolutions.

The more violent one and the less violent one caused by Lisa saying "No".

They're both there.  But is the second more "Canon" because it was released?

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/8/2008 3:08:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

But my version of the timeline is that there are (at least) 2 ape revolutions.  The one we hear about from Cornelius "Aldo said NO", and the one Z&C caused by traveling through time and having a son.

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In a message dated 12/8/2008 3:37:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I don't think it EXCLUDES my scenario so it doesn't matter if it isn't cannon – unless it's NOT cannon!  J         

I've been Scannin' the topic of Cannon on my Cannon All-In-One printer and I think they loaded a Cannon full on Monkey Poop and shot it at the screen to see what would stick.  And since the second one never hit nearly as many screen (only 2, Austin and Arizona) it can't really be considered Cannon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/8/08 1:20:12 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their hatred of us!

*** I agree.. I wish they hadn't turned Caesar into a "human lover", especially in the course of 30 seconds! ***

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In a message dated 12/8/08 3:34:02 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Wasn't it (BATTLE) written to be much darker before the Corringtons got to it?

*** Yeah, it was supposed to have been darker, or at least more dramatic... But, you can't lay all the lightness on John and Joyce: It was FOX that ordered the film to be more "kid friendly", so some of it was just the two of them doing what they were asked to do. ***

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In a message dated 12/8/08 3:08:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

 

It does not need to REPLACE Conquest.

 

*** It won't be replacing CONQUEST, because it is going to be an entity all it's own... It may be CONQUEST-like, but this film (like pota2001 that came before) is it's own thing, based on some of the concepts of APES but it's own incarnation unrelated to the original series. ***

 

The way it would be on MY timeline is CAESAR – PLANET – BENEATH – ESCAPE – CONQUEST – BATTLE .

 

*** I do have to ask: How can you consider this new film as part of the APES canon? First of all, it's not going to be made as such (and everything I've read regarding it so far indicates this), and secondly, if the film does get made, if it is a hit and spawns a sequel or two, how do you know they would fit in with the canon? The sequels stories could be something so unrelated to PLANET's "history" it wouldn't be funny... They may have parts that could jibe with PLANET, but more than likely they wouldn't... Prematurely grouping this "Caesar" film in with PLANET and the sequels makes about as much sense as the Broken Seas adaption including Phyllis and Jinn from the Boulle book in it's audio story! ***

 

 

But my version of the timeline is that there are (at least) 2 ape revolutions.  The one we hear about from Cornelius "Aldo said NO", and the one Z&C caused by traveling through time and having a son.

 

 

*** Finally, I agree with you... I've always said there are two timelines (two revolutions too)... There is Timeline A, started by the ape named Aldo and eventually leading to what we see in PLANET/BENEATH... Timeline B is started by the apes arrival back in time in ESCAPE, and then the Caesar revolt... They are each their own timeline and the second timeline doesn't neccessarily even end up in the same world as PLANET... ***

 

My hope is that THIS Caesar (or ALDO, preferably!) is NOT the son of space traveling chimps.

 

*** You shouldn't have to worry about that... Basically it sounds like this Caesar is the end product of playing around in a laboratory... His being here isn't the result of his parents coming from his species own future to start a new future here in the present. ***

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Even Taylor got pussy whipped after his gal learned to talk.

And what's the first thing both human and ape females

learn to say?  No.  It was ever thus. The next thing

they learn to do is go shopping.  Remember Zira?

Lucky for Cornelius that wasn't on his dime.

 

 

In a message dated 12/8/2008 6:30:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** I agree.. I wish they hadn't turned Caesar into a "human lover", especially in the course of 30 seconds! ***

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In a message dated 12/8/08 8:14:38 PM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

Even Taylor got pussy whipped after his gal learned to talk.

And what's the first thing both human and ape females

learn to say?  No.  It was ever thus.

*** Well, in all fairness, Nova's first word was "Taylor"... Unless she secretly said her name in two syllables.***

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Personally, I am not even going to consider this new film a "Planet of the Apes" film.....

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER not DIRECTOR!
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:01 PM
> In a message dated 12/8/08 3:08:45 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> It does not need to REPLACE Conquest.
>
> *** It won't be replacing CONQUEST, because it is
> going to be an entity all
> it's own... It may be CONQUEST-like, but this film
> (like pota2001 that came
> before) is it's own thing, based on some of the
> concepts of APES but it's own
> incarnation unrelated to the original series. ***
>
> The way it would be on MY timeline is CAESAR – PLANET
> – BENEATH – ESCAPE –
> CONQUEST – BATTLE.
>
> *** I do have to ask: How can you consider this new film
> as part of the APES
> canon? First of all, it's not going to be made as such
> (and everything I've
> read regarding it so far indicates this), and secondly, if
> the film does get
> made, if it is a hit and spawns a sequel or two, how do
> you know they would
> fit in with the canon? The sequels stories could be
> something so unrelated to
> PLANET's "history" it wouldn't be
> funny... They may have parts that could
> jibe with PLANET, but more than likely they wouldn't...
> Prematurely grouping
> this "Caesar" film in with PLANET and the sequels
> makes about as much sense as
> the Broken Seas adaption including Phyllis and Jinn from
> the Boulle book in
> it's audio story! ***
>
>
> But my version of the timeline is that there are (at
> least) 2 ape
> revolutions. The one we hear about from Cornelius "Aldo
> said NO", and the one Z&C
> caused by traveling through time and having a son.
>
>
> *** Finally, I agree with you... I've always said
> there are two timelines
> (two revolutions too)... There is Timeline A, started by
> the ape named Aldo and
> eventually leading to what we see in PLANET/BENEATH...
> Timeline B is started
> by the apes arrival back in time in ESCAPE, and then the
> Caesar revolt...
> They are each their own timeline and the second timeline
> doesn't neccessarily
> even end up in the same world as PLANET... ***
>
> My hope is that THIS Caesar (or ALDO, preferably!) is NOT
> the son of space
> traveling chimps.
>
> *** You shouldn't have to worry about that...
> Basically it sounds like this
> Caesar is the end product of playing around in a
> laboratory... His being here
> isn't the result of his parents coming from his
> species own future to start
> a new future here in the present. ***
>
>
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In a message dated 12/8/08 7:43:34 PM Central Standard Time, skintricks@... writes:

Did anyone else see this listing on History Channel's Ancient Discoveries?  "Galen, a Roman doctor who treated gladiators, performed brain surgery 2,000 tears ago..."

 

Coincidence?  Did the writers know?

*** Simple name coincidence... In PLANET, Dr. Galen seems to do "regular" animal care, not the experimental (brain) surgery, and he seems quite pissed about it ("I'm little more than a vet")... As a psychologist, Zira is laying the foundation for the experiments, but more than likely Zaius' staff is carrying it out... ***

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In a message dated 12/8/08 11:06:27 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Personally, I am not even going to consider this new film a "Planet of the Apes" film.....

*** You and me both... Like I said, it might end up taking a few ideas from the APES franchise, but it'll be a film that's all it's own. ***

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Wait.  You're right.

Funny I didn't remember

that with all the times I've seen it.

 

 

In a message dated 12/8/2008 10:56:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** Well, in all fairness, Nova's first word was "Taylor"...

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Coincidence?

Or something more?

You be the judge my friends.

 

In a message dated 12/8/2008 11:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** Simple name coincidence. ..

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The French, German and, it looks like, the Spanish versions of the Blu
Ray box sets ALL contain the book (with translated text) and the
deluxe packaging.

Still no word from Fox UK why the UK version is so inferior (and more
expensive)

Dave

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Well since it was announced during the Apes marathon as a new chapter
in POTA, I'm assuming it has to be something to do with POTA.
I'll hold my judgement until they actually start writing it! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/8/08 11:06:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Personally, I am not even going to consider this new film a "Planet
of the
> Apes" film.....
>
>
> *** You and me both... Like I said, it might end up taking a few
ideas from
> the APES franchise, but it'll be a film that's all it's own. ***
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
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>

Maybe you will in the new movie....?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I would have loved to have seen how Battle would have turned out had
> Conquest kept its original ending.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> >
> > I for one LOVE the unrated Conquest. I always hated that Caesar's
> > rage suddenly disappeared by the end of the film & hated his
change
> > even more in Battle. I like the violent ending, no mercy for
Breck &
> > Caesar remaining the angry leader with no room for humans in his
new
> > world. That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their
hatred
> > of us!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two
> > different cuts
> > > of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that
you've
> > seen the
> > > bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was
> > gonna be or are
> > > you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated
it
> > to be is
> > > better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the
> > original prologue
> > > isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they
chopped it
> > up to use for
> > > the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading
> > about it, it's
> > > gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of
bloodshed
> > and not
> > > anything different storywise...
> > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends,
email,
> > and
> > > favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
> > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
> > dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
> > >
> >
>

I tend to doubt the new movie will have any direct connection to the
originals. I'd be truly stunned, in fact, if it did.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
> Maybe you will in the new movie....?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > I would have loved to have seen how Battle would have turned out had
> > Conquest kept its original ending.
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I for one LOVE the unrated Conquest. I always hated that Caesar's
> > > rage suddenly disappeared by the end of the film & hated his
> change
> > > even more in Battle. I like the violent ending, no mercy for
> Breck &
> > > Caesar remaining the angry leader with no room for humans in his
> new
> > > world. That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their
> hatred
> > > of us!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two
> > > different cuts
> > > > of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that
> you've
> > > seen the
> > > > bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was
> > > gonna be or are
> > > > you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated
> it
> > > to be is
> > > > better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the
> > > original prologue
> > > > isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they
> chopped it
> > > up to use for
> > > > the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading
> > > about it, it's
> > > > gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of
> bloodshed
> > > and not
> > > > anything different storywise...
> > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends,
> email,
> > > and
> > > > favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
> > > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-
> > > dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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*** Well, it may have apes as central characters and all, but that doesn't neccessarily make it an APES film... Sure, FOX may say it is because it has apes in it and it is their property, but intelligent apes doesn't make it APES... ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/9/08 3:42:08 AM Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

Well since it was announced during the Apes marathon as a new chapter
in POTA, I'm assuming it has to be something to do with POTA.
I'll hold my judgement until they actually start writing it! :)

 

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