Yeah--that, too. :)


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Oh you're just saying that so you don't have to do a rewrite! :-)
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2008 12:59 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Which CONQUEST do you prefer?
>
>
>
> I tend to doubt the new movie will have any direct connection to the
> originals. I'd be truly stunned, in fact, if it did.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,

"nlmoxham"

> <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> > Maybe you will in the new movie....?
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would have loved to have seen how Battle would have turned out had
> > > Conquest kept its original ending.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

com, "John"

> <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I for one LOVE the unrated Conquest. I always hated that Caesar's
> > > > rage suddenly disappeared by the end of the film & hated his
> > change
> > > > even more in Battle. I like the violent ending, no mercy for
> > Breck &
> > > > Caesar remaining the angry leader with no room for humans in his
> > new
> > > > world. That's part of what made the Apes saga so great. Their
> > hatred
> > > > of us!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that a lot of people have had the chance to see the two
> > > > different cuts
> > > > > of CONQUEST, I'd like to know which they prefer... Now that
> > you've
> > > > seen the
> > > > > bulk of the "original cut", is it all that you thought it was
> > > > gonna be or are
> > > > > you wishing it had stayed "lost" because what you anticipated
> > it
> > > > to be is
> > > > > better than it actually is? (I say "most" of it because the
> > > > original prologue
> > > > > isn't there, unless that whole scene was lost when they
> > chopped it
> > > > up to use for
> > > > > the scene when Caesar was running away). From all I'm reading
> > > > about it, it's
> > > > > gonna be about what I expected, just a few more scenes of
> > bloodshed
> > > > and not
> > > > > anything different storywise...
> > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends,
> > email,
> > > > and
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> > > > dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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*** What brought this comment on? And, what is it in reference to? ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/10/08 8:53:14 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

That must be Travelin' Jack, the simian Santa Claus, from the
Adventure Comics line!

 

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The Santa Zaius image on the POTADG homepage.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
> *** What brought this comment on? And, what is it in reference to? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/10/08 8:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> That must be Travelin' Jack, the simian Santa Claus, from the
> Adventure Comics line!
>
>
>
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
>
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>

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.html Before I comment, I like to compliment you, Patrick, on your observation to detail and continuity.
 
If the government was so intent on stopping the out come of Cournelius' and Zira's testimony then why did they allow people to adopt apes as pets; the result the apes becoming or being demoted to slavery. I'm not sure about the telepath theory. However, I rather like the idea that somebody did tinker with the three apes genes in order to stop the inevitable only to have it backfire. (It certainly adds a great twist to this plot that seems to be full of holes.)Remember, the apple in Eden certainly gave rise to our being kicked out of paradise and burden us with free will and knowledge. Years back I was working on novel based on the idea of the consequence of tinkering with the three apes genes so to stop in this so called paradox. In my version, my main character was the result of this tinkering; a human being whom not only had telepathic powers but could shape shift from human to ape. It might seem ridiculous to the conservative ape fan, but hey, why not look outside the box.
 
Sorry I took so long to respond. I've been knee deep in Theatre . . . 
 
Wendy 

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: patrickmichaeltilton@...
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:13:17 +0000
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Wendy

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: pota1968@...
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:27:39 -0800
Subject: [PotaDG] My hopes for a Conquest Remake.


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*** I don't get the critique of the 2005 KONG (I've read a few things from others that said the same thing)... I mean KONG is supposed to be a giant "beast", not some 50' tall dope like "Magilla Gorilla"... Some might say he wasn't "human" enough, I don't get it: He was protective of Ann, etc. like he was in the original, just a better looking ape...

 

Is that the deal: People wanted him to look like his stop-motion counterpart?

 

 

 

 

From: pota1968@...
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:27:39 -0800
Subject: [PotaDG] My hopes for a Conquest Remake.

One of the biggest turn offs to Peter Jacksen's King Kong was that instead of making King Kong, he made to 40 foot silverback gorilla.

And for that I'd prefer to go to the zoo. :o)

 

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> *** I don't get the critique of the 2005 KONG (I've read a few things from
> others that said the same thing)... I mean KONG is supposed to be a giant
> "beast", not some 50' tall dope like "Magilla Gorilla"... Some might say he
> wasn't "human" enough, I don't get it: He was protective of Ann,
> etc. like he was
> in the original, just a better looking ape...

I loved the 2005 KONG....

Hunter

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In a message dated 12/13/08 3:25:22 PM Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

I loved the 2005 KONG....

*** So did I... It's one of my favorite movies (despite the fact that they fuc**d it up by casting Jack Black!) I think they pulled KONG of quite well... ***

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> *** So did I... It's one of my favorite movies (despite the fact that they
> fuc**d it up by casting Jack Black!) I think they pulled KONG of
> quite well...
> ***

Yes, Jack Black was definitely the worst part of the movie. But he
didn't ruin it for me, either.

Kong himself was just amazing. And I loved Naomi Watts (well, except
for her stupid CG-juggling scene).

> To me, the soul of the original was lacking.

I didn't think that at all.

Hunter

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In a message dated 12/13/08 3:29:01 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Maybe it was just the lead male casting – although I like Black in comedies where he belongs…

*** Jack Black: I don't get it at all... He's not funny, and he's no dramatic actor... Why he's successful in Hollywood is the ninth Wonder of the World... ***

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In a message dated 12/13/08 3:43:06 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Remember Chevy Chase?

Yes, I do... But at least he was okay in the "VACATION" films (or at least the supporting cast made him look okay... ) Jack Black on the other hand, there's nothing that can help him out: He's got no business being in films, especially dramatic ones. Rip Taylor was a better dramatic actor than Black could ever pretend to be, even though he (Rip) was primarily regarded as "comedic"...

 

Comedic types can pull it off sometimes, but I can't see Black ever pulling any type of acting off... Acting is more than just memorizing lines which is about all his skills add up to...

 

I wish that he and that Aniston chick would just go away.

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In a message dated 12/13/08 4:04:42 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

You saying you want me to put out a hit on them?

*** Nah, just a nice Hollywood black-listing... ***

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Hi there,

Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim Burton film?

If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?

If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters and a new story
line?

What period is this new film set?

Who will be starring in this new film?

Who will be directing this new ape film?

Thanks.

Peter.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I have just received an email from Scott Frank's personal assistant and
> it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.
>
> He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets rolling so...
>
> WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?
>
> Michael
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...>
wrote:

> Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim Burton film?
> If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?
> If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters and a new story
> line?
> What period is this new film set?
> Who will be starring in this new film?
> Who will be directing this new ape film?

None of these things have yet been definitively stated by the studio
yet, but it's pretty clear that it'll be its own story, unconnected to
any of the previous films, and that it'll take place in the modern
day. Scott Frank will be writing the film; no director and no cast
have yet been revealed.

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Remakes get made because the "Brain Trust" in Hollywood

hasn't got one good idea between them.  And because they

have no respect for their audience.   They don't want to make

art or tell good stories.  They just want an assembly line for

making money.  Here's an article mentioning the last remake.

 

Unnecessary Remakes: These Got Made?

 

 

In a message dated 12/14/2008 8:28:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, peter_karsten63@... writes:

Hi there,

Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim Burton film?

If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?

If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters and a new story
line?

What period is this new film set?

Who will be starring in this new film?

Who will be directing this new ape film?

Thanks.

Peter.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have just received an email from Scott Frank's personal assistant and
> it says he will be WRITING, not DIRECTING the new film.
>
> He will be available to speak to me when the ball gets rolling so...
>
> WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY/ASK HIM?!?!?
>
> Michael
>

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Micheal...my lack of response is due to I have no anticipation for this new movie....since I got my hopes up so much for the last one ....I am not considering this new movie as a Planet of the APes movie.....

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER not DIRECTOR! Reply.
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:48 AM
> Rich
>
>
>
> I think Peter is (finally!) responding to the question I
> asked re what I
> should ask Scott in an interview.
>
>
>
> The lack of responses from anyone so far has been my final
> reminder that
> this group is really no longer necessary.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> rassmguy
> Sent: Monday, 15 December 2008 12:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER
> not DIRECTOR!
> Reply.
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...>
> wrote:
> > Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim
> Burton film?
> > If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?
> > If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters
> and a new story
> > line?
> > What period is this new film set?
> > Who will be starring in this new film?
> > Who will be directing this new ape film?
>
> None of these things have yet been definitively stated by
> the studio
> yet, but it's pretty clear that it'll be its own
> story, unconnected to
> any of the previous films, and that it'll take place in
> the modern
> day. Scott Frank will be writing the film; no director and
> no cast
> have yet been revealed.

In truth, that's also why I've had no questions for Scott either--this
isn't a movie I've given much thought to, as it doesn't seem all that
much to actually be a Planet of the Apes film, despite the hype. It's
set in the modern day, it won't have speaking apes in it, it'll use
CGI, and it won't be connected to either previous version of the saga.
As such, I'm kind of indifferent to it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> Micheal...my lack of response is due to I have no anticipation for
this new movie....since I got my hopes up so much for the last one
....I am not considering this new movie as a Planet of the APes movie.....
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...>
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER
not DIRECTOR! Reply.
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:48 AM
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > I think Peter is (finally!) responding to the question I
> > asked re what I
> > should ask Scott in an interview.
> >
> >
> >
> > The lack of responses from anyone so far has been my final
> > reminder that
> > this group is really no longer necessary.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > rassmguy
> > Sent: Monday, 15 December 2008 12:34 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER
> > not DIRECTOR!
> > Reply.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
> > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> > wrote:
> > > Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim
> > Burton film?
> > > If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?
> > > If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters
> > and a new story
> > > line?
> > > What period is this new film set?
> > > Who will be starring in this new film?
> > > Who will be directing this new ape film?
> >
> > None of these things have yet been definitively stated by
> > the studio
> > yet, but it's pretty clear that it'll be its own
> > story, unconnected to
> > any of the previous films, and that it'll take place in
> > the modern
> > day. Scott Frank will be writing the film; no director and
> > no cast
> > have yet been revealed.
>

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In a message dated 12/15/08 6:48:55 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

The lack of responses from anyone so far has been my final reminder that this group is really no longer necessary.

**** I didn't get any response from you regarding why you're including the alleged new film as part of the APES time-line when it's not even released yet and you really don't know what kind of content it will have, etc.

 

And if this group "isn't neccessary", then what were the good amount of posts there's been lately all about? People are still posting on things... Maybe they didn't reply to your post regarding the proposed new film because they don't want to deal with another Burton fiasco so they're laying low and just hoping for the best but expecting the worst? ****

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In a message dated 12/15/08 2:18:54 PM Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

And if this group "isn't neccessary", then what were the good amount of posts there's been lately all about? People are still posting on things... Maybe they didn't reply to your post regarding the proposed new film because they don't want to deal with another Burton fiasco so they're laying low and just hoping for the best but expecting the worst?

*** I've read the rest of the posts and I seen that Tim and Rich seem to be of the mindset I mentioned above, so I'm sure there are others on here that feel the same way... I know I do. ***

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But to be fair, those are all just guesses. I've read most of the
rumours about it too and they're not consistant and I don't think
they're altogether reliable. The only thing Scott Frank has said (if
I remember rightly) is that 'his movie won't have talking monkeys',
or something like that. That could be interpreted different as 'this
is a serious movie, not Dr Doolittle', same as the problems the
original movie had in the 60's. I can understand everyone being wary,
but the guy hasn't even written it yet, let alone got a director or
talked about CGI.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> In truth, that's also why I've had no questions for Scott either--
this
> isn't a movie I've given much thought to, as it doesn't seem all
that
> much to actually be a Planet of the Apes film, despite the hype.
It's
> set in the modern day, it won't have speaking apes in it, it'll use
> CGI, and it won't be connected to either previous version of the
saga.
> As such, I'm kind of indifferent to it.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> > Micheal...my lack of response is due to I have no anticipation for
> this new movie....since I got my hopes up so much for the last one
> ....I am not considering this new movie as a Planet of the APes
movie.....
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@>
> > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER
> not DIRECTOR! Reply.
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:48 AM
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think Peter is (finally!) responding to the question I
> > > asked re what I
> > > should ask Scott in an interview.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The lack of responses from anyone so far has been my final
> > > reminder that
> > > this group is really no longer necessary.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > rassmguy
> > > Sent: Monday, 15 December 2008 12:34 PM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER
> > > not DIRECTOR!
> > > Reply.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.
> > > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > > "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is this new apes film a sequel the that dreadful Tim
> > > Burton film?
> > > > If not, Is it a sequel to the other 5 ape films?
> > > > If not, Is it a whole new ape film with new characters
> > > and a new story
> > > > line?
> > > > What period is this new film set?
> > > > Who will be starring in this new film?
> > > > Who will be directing this new ape film?
> > >
> > > None of these things have yet been definitively stated by
> > > the studio
> > > yet, but it's pretty clear that it'll be its own
> > > story, unconnected to
> > > any of the previous films, and that it'll take place in
> > > the modern
> > > day. Scott Frank will be writing the film; no director and
> > > no cast
> > > have yet been revealed.
> >
>

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> We can also let him know that we feel the BURTON movie's biggest problem was
> the script (and the Director not seeing it was shit and rejecting/changing
> it).

He couldn't change it. Fox wouldn't let anybody change it. The
horrible script is the reason Frank Darabont turned the movie down.
When he tried to tell Fox what was wrong with the script, they weren't
interested because they had a release date already picked and they
were determined to meet it. Burton was the only director who was
willing to film the script they had....

Hunter

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Apparently there are new figures on the way from a company called Hot Toys for their Movie Masterpiece series.

THey seem to be very similar products as Sideshow..Nice likenesses of Pirates, Rocky and Hellboy etc......As of right now there is no mention of POTA on the Hot TOys website...

I'm scared though they will eventually make those silly squat round versions of POTA like they have done for Star Wars etc.

Here's word from a blog...

We've granted the license of Planet of the Apes! - Although we come to the end of 2008 now, we haven't forgot this year is the 40th Anniversary of the original Planet of the Apes movie! Hot Toys is proud to announce that we've added another classic movie license into our MMS series – Planet of the Apes. You should have the Planet of the Apes 40th Anniversary collection DVD at home, Haven't you? And Hot Toys' Planet Of Apes MMS must be the next collection in your display case. Who is the first one to be our next MMS 12" figure? Make your wish today and get the result by keep checking on our future newsletters!
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER not DIRECTOR! Reply.

Q:  “Most POTA fans liked the makeup in Burton ’s remake, but would prefer to see old-style “John Chambers” apes.

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Responses to what?

I go through posts pretty quick.

So unless something happens to catch my eye

I don't respond to it.  I'm still not sure what's being discussed

so all I can do is ask.  POTA is no Top Priority in everyone's

life.  I don't want to be shot down for not being an uber-fan, but . . .

 

 

In a message dated 12/15/2008 5:20:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

> The lack of responses from anyone so far has been my final
> reminder that
> this group is really no longer necessary.
>

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Very wise.

Sounds like the right man for the job.

 

 

In a message dated 12/15/2008 5:25:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

The
horrible script is the reason Frank Darabont turned the movie down.

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:20:47 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

And while I do understand that people's lack of response is not an intentional sabotage, I have to sadly say that if I raised this question on James' group there would have been at least 50 responses by now and I could legitimately say I have questions that are representative of POTA fans. 

*** Yeah, but on that group, like on this one and most any other egroup, it's always the same few people replying... There's not fifty people that regularly post over there, over here, or anywhere... If there would be fifty responses over there, you can bet that they'd be five different posts from ten different people, if that... It could be ten different posts by five different people... The reality is that there aren't many more posting at the pota group than on this one... The traffic per group is about the same "per capita"... If you'd take into account members to posts, then this group may actually have more people posting than the pota group... ***

 

 

I'm not pointing a finger of blame, I'm just very saddened that it's a fact…there really does not seem to be a reason to have this group here and Neil and I are sp sick of it all that I think we are looking for reasons to get on with our lives without the responsibility/burden of this group. 

*** There has been quite a bit of traffic over here, especially since just before the Blu-Ray releases up to now, I don't see where you're saying it's so "dead"? So there's not 1001 posts a day, groups posts fluctuate...

Besides, I thought you and Neil handed over the reins to LordT anyway? Isn't it his responsibility now? ***

 

 

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:33:41 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Surely arming me with important questions for the new POTA script writer is FAR more important.

*** It is, but there has to be some consistency... I mean if you want people to reply to things you may pose, you should reply to their posts... And by "you", I mean posters in general, NOT you specifically...  ***

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:33:46 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

THey seem to be very similar products as Sideshow..Nice likenesses of Pirates, Rocky and Hellboy etc......As of right now there is no mention of POTA on the Hot TOys website...

I'm scared though they will eventually make those silly squat round versions of POTA like they have done for Star Wars etc.

*** Decently made likenesses are good, and I'll take your word on it that they've delivered in the past and could do it with APES too...

 

And even though I've never seen them, I can safely say I wouldn't want any "silly, squat, round" figures... Those MEDICOM (?) LEGOlike sets are bad enough, we don't need APES Weebles... If it'd come down to something "off" like that, then I'd rather see them do something along the lines of the Zaius/Cornelius\wind-ups, or better yet, the newer day wind-ups of Ursus and Cornelius. ***

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:35:34 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

However, the best way for us not to have another "fiasco" is for us to all get to Mr Frank why we thought Burton 's WAS such a fiasco!

  Come on – FIGHT LIKE APES!  If they blow this apes will be dead.

*** Agreed, they DO need to do this one right... But, from all I've heard so far, they're just going to do a movie with some of the concepts that were "borrowed" from APES... They'd have to just do a "modern" (i.e. "updated") take on APES for it to be considered APES, even by "the masses" who usually don't know what the hell is what... Right now, all it sounds like they're planning is to do a film film based around an ape like the real life Oliver the chimp (the "humanzee") and doing an ASPCA/PETA story around him...

 

There needs to be more to it than that... ***

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:36:34 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Well if people take 5 seconds to articulate that then we'll ALL know…..and maybe Neil and I won't feel that we are completely wasting our time here.

*** Fair enough... I can see wanting to know what others think of this proposed film, at least as it appears right now. ***

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In a message dated 12/15/08 5:41:33 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Frankly, having already had SIDESHOW figures last year, I'd want to see NONE of those duplicated and for this to be a chance to see figures never made my SIDESHOW or MEDICOM for that matter!

 

*** Like MEGO, Sideshow, Medicom, and any other company that makes figures, they will start off by making the "core" figures, the ones that the public at large will maybe recognize... Don't expect Julius to be made before the 100th incarnation of a Zira figure. ***

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I think to rival Batman they have to go darker and less comic book.

They may as well keep making it over and over until they have a hit.

Then they can milk that for all it's worth.  What they'd really like is

another Star Wars.  One where they weren't stupid enough to sign the

rights away.  They they can keep the money for the studio, instead of

making someone like George Lucas rich.  The poor dumb bastards.

 

In a message dated 12/15/2008 4:51:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

They also want to resurrect a franchise (= cash cow).

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In a message dated 12/16/08 12:40:34 AM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

They may as well keep making it over and over until they have a hit.

Then they can milk that for all it's worth.

*** Yes, but I can't see them wanting to invest the time, thought, money, etc., etc., into making an APES film that WILL be milkable...

 

Right now all it looks like they're out to make is an unbreedable veal calf rather than a milk cow. **

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The question is . . .

when they're done carving it up

will there be anything left to sink

our teeth into?  Sorry couldn't resist.

 

 

In a message dated 12/16/2008 12:46:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Right now all it looks like they're out to make is an unbreedable veal calf rather than a milk cow. **

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I always assumed that movie specifi statues like the 'cat & dog'
memorial in POTA were not real statues but something like cut up foam
that is painted to look real. If this was the case then the 'statue'
probably ended up in the junk pile. But I'm going to contradict myself
right away by pointing out that the 'Lawgiver' statue was real as we
all know. So was the 'cat & dog' real?

Along those same lines, does anyone know if the 'Caesar' statue from
the end of Battle was real and if so what happened to it?

As for Breck freaky art, this was the 70's man. Futuristic looking
art, furniture and appliances were the craze. We'ren't you 'there'
Neil? What were you smokin? <don't answer!> :)

New movie: I do think that it's a quite a bit early to get excited
over this especially based on some reports of what this movie is
supposed to be about. While Frank, as writer, may be able to address
some of the things we did not like about POTA 2001, he won't be able
to influence the 'look' of the apes. Those decisions are in the hands
of the director and producers.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:44 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Have pity...

> Well I've just finally watched the unrated version of Conquest and
> hereare a few observations, not just about this version but about
> Conquestin general.
> I hadn't watched this movie for a very, very long time so some of
this
> stuff I maybe should have noticed before but these are things that
> stuckin my mind after this viewing. First up: the cat & dog
> statue. I wonder
> what ever happened to that? Probably got junked but it would be
> nice if
> it turned up one day in some obscure collection wouldn't it?
> The 'toilet paper' artwork that Breck has on his wall, either a last
> minute thing thrown together with anything to hand or a very sharp
> observation of future trends in art.
> This was the first time that I noticed that the 2 guards who load
> 'shipment 507 I from Indonesia' are wearing the same sort of overalls
> that MacDonald wears in Battle.
> Not for the first time I noted the resemblance of the
> corridors/tunnelsin Conquest to those in Beneath.
> Also noticed for the first time that one of the police men, just
> as the
> riots start and just after they have shot some apes turns to his
> colleague and laughs about it!
> And after watching this version I must say I prefer this ending so
> muchmore, pity it doesn't concur with the latter dialog from Battle.
> Has anybody ever tried to contact the people who played Breck's
> secretary, his aide with the glasses and 'Mogan' (whoever they
> were and
> if they are still alive!) to get their reminiscences of filming the
> movie?
> My favourite scene though (and still one of my favourite POTA
moments)
> is the priceless reaction by Caesar to being presented with a tea
> strainer while collecting weapons from the apes, priceless.
>
> Neil
>
>

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Like these....reminds me of years ago when everyone was making "baby" versions of everything....awful!

Here's a link though to the 12" figures....not bad!

http://www.hottoys.com.hk/mm.php

> And even though I've never seen them, I can safely say
> I wouldn't want any
> "silly, squat, round" figures... Those MEDICOM
> (?) LEGOlike sets are bad
> enough, we don't need APES Weebles... If it'd come

My whole deal is that POTA is sacred and personally I DO NOT want anymore movies! I like the old ones and they are still alive what with all the products and interest now. They'll never make another with Chamber's makeup and Haack costumes and Creber sets.....if they did, GREAT! but they won't

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, mlccougar@... <mlccougar@... > wrote:

> From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New movie - Scott Frank is the WRITER not DIRECTOR! Reply.
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:14 AM
> In a message dated 12/15/08 5:36:34 PM Central Standard
> Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Well if people take 5 seconds to articulate that then
> we'll ALL know…..and
> maybe Neil and I won't feel that we are completely
> wasting our time here.
>
>
> *** Fair enough... I can see wanting to know what others
> think of this
> proposed film, at least as it appears right now. ***
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends,
> email, and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
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The Battle statue is in the Roddy McDowall Rose garden in Los Angeles...unless there were more than one I', pretty sure thisis it....it's made of a fiberglass material so it's pretty durable....

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

> From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Have pity...
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:53 AM
> I always assumed that movie specifi statues like the
> 'cat & dog'
> memorial in POTA were not real statues but something like
> cut up foam
> that is painted to look real. If this was the case then the
> 'statue'
> probably ended up in the junk pile. But I'm going to
> contradict myself
> right away by pointing out that the 'Lawgiver'
> statue was real as we
> all know. So was the 'cat & dog' real?
>
> Along those same lines, does anyone know if the
> 'Caesar' statue from
> the end of Battle was real and if so what happened to it?
>
> As for Breck freaky art, this was the 70's man.
> Futuristic looking
> art, furniture and appliances were the craze.
> We'ren't you 'there'
> Neil? What were you smokin? <don't answer!> :)
>
> New movie: I do think that it's a quite a bit early to
> get excited
> over this especially based on some reports of what this
> movie is
> supposed to be about. While Frank, as writer, may be able
> to address
> some of the things we did not like about POTA 2001, he
> won't be able
> to influence the 'look' of the apes. Those
> decisions are in the hands
> of the director and producers.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:44 am
> Subject: [PotaDG] Have pity...
>
> > Well I've just finally watched the unrated version
> of Conquest and
> > hereare a few observations, not just about this
> version but about
> > Conquestin general.
> > I hadn't watched this movie for a very, very long
> time so some of
> this
> > stuff I maybe should have noticed before but these are
> things that
> > stuckin my mind after this viewing. First up: the cat
> & dog
> > statue. I wonder
> > what ever happened to that? Probably got junked but it
> would be
> > nice if
> > it turned up one day in some obscure collection
> wouldn't it?
> > The 'toilet paper' artwork that Breck has on
> his wall, either a last
> > minute thing thrown together with anything to hand or
> a very sharp
> > observation of future trends in art.
> > This was the first time that I noticed that the 2
> guards who load
> > 'shipment 507 I from Indonesia' are wearing
> the same sort of overalls
> > that MacDonald wears in Battle.
> > Not for the first time I noted the resemblance of the
> > corridors/tunnelsin Conquest to those in Beneath.
> > Also noticed for the first time that one of the police
> men, just
> > as the
> > riots start and just after they have shot some apes
> turns to his
> > colleague and laughs about it!
> > And after watching this version I must say I prefer
> this ending so
> > muchmore, pity it doesn't concur with the latter
> dialog from Battle.
> > Has anybody ever tried to contact the people who
> played Breck's
> > secretary, his aide with the glasses and
> 'Mogan' (whoever they
> > were and
> > if they are still alive!) to get their reminiscences
> of filming the
> > movie?
> > My favourite scene though (and still one of my
> favourite POTA
> moments)
> > is the priceless reaction by Caesar to being presented
> with a tea
> > strainer while collecting weapons from the apes,
> priceless.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Have pity...

The Battle statue is in the Roddy McDowall Rose garden in Los Angeles...unless there were more than one

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Wow!

That looks better than the real one!

 

 

In a message dated 12/16/2008 9:15:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

What about this one?

 

'bar or restaurant in Takadanobaba (Tokyo) with Caesar statue in front!'

 

 

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Have pity...

The Battle statue is in the Roddy McDowall Rose garden in Los Angeles...unless there were more than one

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In a message dated 12/16/08 6:45:35 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Has anybody ever tried to contact the people who played Breck's secretary, his aide with the glasses and 'Mogan'

*** I think the name was actually Morgan. ***

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In a message dated 12/16/08 7:53:35 AM Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

Along those same lines, does anyone know if the 'Caesar' statue from the end of Battle was real and if so what happened to it?

*** I think the 'Caesar' statue was made of some type of fiberglass or something... Anyway, it still exists: It's in the Roddy McDowall Memorial Garden. ***

New movie: While Frank, as writer, may be able to address some of the things we did not like about POTA 2001, he won't be able to influence the 'look' of the apes. Those decisions are in the hands
of the director and producers.

*** While making them look like the Chambers apes might be appealing in some ways, if the story-line has nothing to do with the originals why even give it the same "look" other than to suck people in?  It doesn't bother me that their look will be different, it'll be it's own entity so it should have it's own look. ****

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I wasn't sure if the Roddy Memorial statue was the original. I assumed
it wasn't since it just appeared like that when the memorial was set up.
No mention of who had to statue and how it made it's way to Roddy's
garden. I doubt it was in Roddy's possession prior to his passing away
as fans would have know he had it somewhere. If anyone makes it to the
memorial garden in the future, try asking the people there if they know
where the statue came from. They might know more about it.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Have pity...

> In a message dated 12/16/08 7:53:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> darios@...
> writes:
>
> Along those same lines, does anyone know if the 'Caesar' statue
> from the end
> of Battle was real and if so what happened to it?
> *** I think the 'Caesar' statue was made of some type of
> fiberglass or
> something... Anyway, it still exists: It's in the Roddy McDowall
> Memorial Garden.
> ***
>
>
>
>
> New movie: While Frank, as writer, may be able to address some of
> the things
> we did not like about POTA 2001, he won't be able to influence the
> 'look' of
> the apes. Those decisions are in the hands
> of the director and producers.
>
>
>
> *** While making them look like the Chambers apes might be
> appealing in some
> ways, if the story-line has nothing to do with the originals why
> even give
> it the same "look" other than to suck people in? It doesn't
> bother me that
> their look will be different, it'll be it's own entity so it
> should have it's
> own look. ****
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email,
> and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
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I too only want the new movie to have the 'classic' ape look if it
REALLY is a story that is part of the classic movie series. But if it
isn't (and that seems to be the case), then I also agree that it should
not have the 'classic' look.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Have pity...

> In a message dated 12/16/08 7:53:35 AM Central Standard Time,
> darios@...
> writes:
>
> Along those same lines, does anyone know if the 'Caesar' statue
> from the end
> of Battle was real and if so what happened to it?
> *** I think the 'Caesar' statue was made of some type of
> fiberglass or
> something... Anyway, it still exists: It's in the Roddy McDowall
> Memorial Garden.
> ***
>
>
>
>
> New movie: While Frank, as writer, may be able to address some of
> the things
> we did not like about POTA 2001, he won't be able to influence the
> 'look' of
> the apes. Those decisions are in the hands
> of the director and producers.
>
>
>
> *** While making them look like the Chambers apes might be
> appealing in some
> ways, if the story-line has nothing to do with the originals why
> even give
> it the same "look" other than to suck people in? It doesn't
> bother me that
> their look will be different, it'll be it's own entity so it
> should have it's
> own look. ****
> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email,
> and
> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
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> dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)