On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** Exactly. ***

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 12:05:06 PM Central Standard Time, skintricks@... writes:

And what about the little running thing.  Zira was able to move her legs more with her skirt on.

 

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*** Agreed, he did well enough... Like I said in my earlier post, when I watch BENEATH I don't focus on it not being Roddy, I just see Cornelius there... ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 3:32:50 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I think he did a fine job I might add....

 

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*** I think he and Kim worked together okay, but Watson's Cornelius didn't allow himself to be nearly as hen-pecked as Cornelius was in PLANET and ESCAPE.****

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 12:58:22 PM Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Plus, he lacked the chemistry that Roddy had with Kim. 

 

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*** Are they mentioning SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION? ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 3:34:25 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

even radio obits are listing his stint as  an "authoritative simian" in POTA as one of three or four film roles he did....

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: David Watson

This reminds me of the other brilliant idea I had over Christmas - I
blame the flu medication I was on. 'Planet' and 'Beneath' happen in
the two different timelines! As a way of explaining the different
dates, Cornelius' different face, the mutants, the two ships/three
ships problem, etc. Original timeline ends with 'Beneath', then the
altered timeline ends with 'Planet', leaving Earth intact and ready
for a 'Planet of the Men'-type sequel. But it depends on the events
(or at least the consequences) of 'Planet' happening more-or-less the
same in the run-up to 'Beneath'. I haven't really thought this
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] David Watson

*** Agreed, he did well enough... Like I said in my earlier post, when I watch BENEATH I don't focus on it not being Roddy, I just see Cornelius there... ***

 

 

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*** I've never thought about that, but I'd say probably so, especially if he was good with wearing the makeups... Plus, I couldn't see them pairing Kim with yet another new guy, so if nothing else, had Roddy said no, they probably would have called in David for familiarity/continuity.

 

I just wonder if there's any truth to what I read on the other group awhile back, that FOX was going to call in McDowall to dub his voice over Watson's in BENEATH? It was mentioned by someone I consider a reliable source, so there may be some validity to it... ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 6:38:01 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

It would have been strange if Roddy had decided not to do any more Apes films though, would they have kept Watson on as Cornelius for Escape? I guess they would have.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] David Watson

Or would they have gone with a totally different story?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ape Chronicles

Hi Michael I checked my files and can't see that I did

I apologize if I forgot

I propably planned on including an extra copy in the package to Neil

He told me he received his package

You could double check with him and see if he got 2 copies of that issue

If not, please send me your mailing address - thanks 

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Don't hold your breath. This guy is a tyrant and not worth sh*ting
on. What a travesty that he represents the "fan club". It is a joke.

How many poor apes fans have payed this guy and been ripped off?

JM

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael I checked my files and can't see that I did
> I apologize if I forgot
> I propably planned on including an extra copy in the package to Neil
> He told me he received his package
> You could double check with him and see if he got 2 copies of that
issue
> If not, please send me your mailing address - thanks
>

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Don't hold your breath. This guy is a tyrant and not worth sh*ting
on. What a travesty that he represents the "fan club". It is a joke.

How many poor apes fans have payed this guy and been ripped off?

JM

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael I checked my files and can't see that I did
> I apologize if I forgot
> I propably planned on including an extra copy in the package to Neil
> He told me he received his package
> You could double check with him and see if he got 2 copies of that
issue
> If not, please send me your mailing address - thanks
>

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No I didn't get any extra copies Terry, just one of each of the issues I did the covers for.

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ape Chronicles

Hi Michael I checked my files and can't see that I did

I apologize if I forgot

I propably planned on including an extra copy in the package to Neil

He told me he received his package

You could double check with him and see if he got 2 copies of that issue

If not, please send me your mailing address - thanks 

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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

Who made this claim Mike?

 

Michael

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2009 10:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] David Watson

 

I just wonder if there's any truth to what I read on the other group awhile back, that FOX was going to call in McDowall to dub his voice over Watson's in BENEATH? It was mentioned by someone I consider a reliable source, so there may be some validity to it... *** .

Nothing political but I do say what I think and I will offer this:

Are you sure that you read it? I saw a friend's issue and I am more
than a little happy that I've not parted with any coin!

35 pages (one of the shortest ever).

No letters pages.

A FULL PAGE of that janet of the apes bile (the only artwork in the
whole thing!).

A post lifted from the DG that takes up 2 pages! I have to woner if
anyone sought your permission to reprint this because if so you were
INVOLVED in a conspiracy.

Sure some of the people they interviewed for the '40th anniversary'
were from left field, a guy who worked as a hairsylist on films and
did some Apes stuff, a new york times reporter who was on the set
etc. but then again who the fuck else is there left to interview!?

To tell the truth the issue looks rushed and half arsed if you ask me.

JM

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Just back from a visit to Neil where I read the latest Simian

Scrolls (40th

> Anniversary Edition).
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to say that this is back to the good old days of

Scrolls where

> every page is a treat.
>
>
>
> Well done to everyone involved.
>
>
>
> One thing I was particularly excited about is the article on Comics

by Rich

> Handley (author of the new POTA Timeline book).
>
>
>
> Being the first thing that exposed me to POTA I have a particularly

warm

> feeling about the monthly Curtis magazines and often I can recall

parts of

> my childhood (weddings, funerals, celebrations) and I know

precisely what

> issue I was reading at the time!
>
>
>
> I recently asked if anyone has noticed some exciting stuff on

eBay. Well

> I'm referring to the comic pages that have been offered for

purchase.

>
>
>
> There's 3 more pages to add to the page Rich refers to in the

Scrolls

> article, attributed to Sonny Trinidad (but denied by him as being

his work)

> and also some deleted pages from BATTLE where you can actually

EASILY see

> where they would slip in.
>
>
>
> Neil - are you able to upload these pages to the files?
>
>
>
> The 3 additional pages really bring light to the one page Rich

originally

> sourced and who knows..maybe the rest are out there somewhere?
>
>
>
> It seems sure that the entire comic was at least WRITTEN (by whom?)

and at

> least these 4 pages (maybe more?) drawn.
>
>
>
> This is an ongoing mystery but if there's any comics out there from

the era

> I'd love to see them find the light of day.
>
>
>
> Rich - with the 3 new pages having been found, would you consider

re-asking

> sonny about these?
>
>
>
> Similarly, would you consider re-asking Mr Moench? I reckon if we

find a

> script we could con Foster into doing a Sonny style and complete the
> comic..!
>
> Uh oh, he's just fainted again..
>
>
>
> Michael
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:29 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] FW: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary issues)

Terry

As I said almost a year ago – please send to Neil’s address.

Words cannot express how disappointed I am.

Michael

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From: Terry Hoknes [hoknescards @...]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 7:47 PM
To: Michael & Sally Whitty
Subject: Re: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary issues)

Yikes sorry to hear about that Michael

I went bankrupt myself actually 5 years ago

a stressful time but life moves on

but i still recommend avoiding if possible

just cause its real hard to buy a house etc afterwards

Look forward to your honest thoughts (good or bad) on the new ape chronicles issues

will you be at this address for a while?

Hi Terry

Same as Neil’s address at the moment as I am selling my house and declaring bankruptcy and I stand to lose everything I own.

Nothing much new Terry, that’s probably enough to cope with for me right now.

Michael

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From: Terry Hoknes [hoknescards @...]
Sent: Friday, 30 May 2008 5:16 PM
To: Michael & Sally Whitty
Subject: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary issues)

Hi Michael please confirm your address

so I make sure you get the issue

thanks

whats new?

I have not received anything yet but I think Terry was going to send me at least the copy for which I gave an interview.

I must say (sorry Terry!) I was less than impressed to see 5 issues released at the same time at around $10 each! Terry would be the only person in the world making money off POTA! :)

I don't like to knock things POTA, but when people are asking for money - it had better be worth it.

I know when I have asked for money it has BARELY covered postage, and Neil will confirm that I do actually "pay" him (sometimes with spaghetti matriciana!) so I am WELL out of pocket.

I can see from the covers and pages of Scrolls that the lads wouldn't be making a profit there either (John, Dave - please let me know here).

It's also kinda weird, after all the shit I took over my decision to use "OFFICIAL International POTAFC" title, including being banned from one of the Yahoo! POTA groups, that nobody seems to have reacted to Terry using the "OFFICIAL... " banner on his site.

But I must say it's nice to see some old faces back here and that some people can set aside differences and get on. Contrary to what you would think if you believed the member numbers of some groups, there's about 100 POTA fans in the world....it' s a shame to split these into SUB groups!

Michael

---- gp3085 <urko3085@sbcglobal. net> wrote:
> I have not received any of the anniversary issues issues of APES
> CHRONICLES even though I still have 3 issues to go on my
> subscription.
>
> Greg P.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, mlccougar@.. . wrote:
> >
> > WIth all the talk lately of the probable release of all 5 films on
> Blu-ray
> > (and more than likely standard DVD as well), plus the additional
> upcoming things
> > like the EMCE Toys repros of the Soldier Ape and Cornelius, the
> possibility
> > of new comics from Neil and Whitty, plus Rob's APES timeline
> book... I got to
> > thinking that this year is turning out ok for APES items...
> >
> > We have all of the above, plus we just received a new SIMIAN
> SCROLLS not too
> > long ago, with another one coming later this summer/early fall...
> All this is
> > leading up to is a question regarding one of the most (if not the
> most) hyped
> > 40th Anniversary tie-ins, the five issues of APE CHRONICLES.. .
> >
> > From what I understood, all five issues were set to go, so I'm
> wondering who
> > (if anyone) has received their issues yet? If so, what is the
> content like? Is
> > it all 40th Anniversary related features/articles, or is there
> more to them?
> >
> > I know there were a few people on here who ordered them, and I'd
> really
> > appreciate hearing their feedback... I know Mr. Foster was
> supposed to receive a
> > set, and if I remember right PotAfan (sp?) was gonna get them
> too.. So anyone
> > who received them, let's have a review... Let your reviews of the
> 40th
> > Anniversary issues of AC be the start of your reviews for all the
> new APES items we
> > can look forward to this year...<BR>< BR><BR>** ********* ***<BR>Get
> trade secrets for amazing
> > burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.<BR>
> > (http://food. aol.com/tyler- florence? video=4&amp; ?
> NCID=aolfod00030000 000002)</ HTML>
> >
>
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Nothing political but I do say what I think and I will offer this:

Are you sure that you read it? I saw a friend's issue and I am more
than a little happy that I've not parted with any coin!

35 pages (one of the shortest ever).

No letters pages.

A FULL PAGE of that janet of the apes bile (the only artwork in the
whole thing!).

A post lifted from the DG that takes up 2 pages! I have to woner if
anyone sought your permission to reprint this because if so you were
INVOLVED in a conspiracy.

Sure some of the people they interviewed for the '40th anniversary'
were from left field, a guy who worked as a hairsylist on films and
did some Apes stuff, a new york times reporter who was on the set
etc. but then again who the fuck else is there left to interview!?

To tell the truth the issue looks rushed and half arsed if you ask me.

JM

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
>
> Just back from a visit to Neil where I read the latest Simian
Scrolls (40th
> Anniversary Edition).
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to say that this is back to the good old days of
Scrolls where
> every page is a treat.
>
>
>
> Well done to everyone involved.
>
>
>
> One thing I was particularly excited about is the article on Comics
by Rich
> Handley (author of the new POTA Timeline book).
>
>
>
> Being the first thing that exposed me to POTA I have a particularly
warm
> feeling about the monthly Curtis magazines and often I can recall
parts of
> my childhood (weddings, funerals, celebrations) and I know
precisely what
> issue I was reading at the time!
>
>
>
> I recently asked if anyone has noticed some exciting stuff on
eBay. Well
> I'm referring to the comic pages that have been offered for
purchase.
>
>
>
> There's 3 more pages to add to the page Rich refers to in the
Scrolls
> article, attributed to Sonny Trinidad (but denied by him as being
his work)
> and also some deleted pages from BATTLE where you can actually
EASILY see
> where they would slip in.
>
>
>
> Neil - are you able to upload these pages to the files?
>
>
>
> The 3 additional pages really bring light to the one page Rich
originally
> sourced and who knows..maybe the rest are out there somewhere?
>
>
>
> It seems sure that the entire comic was at least WRITTEN (by whom?)
and at
> least these 4 pages (maybe more?) drawn.
>
>
>
> This is an ongoing mystery but if there's any comics out there from
the era
> I'd love to see them find the light of day.
>
>
>
> Rich - with the 3 new pages having been found, would you consider
re-asking
> sonny about these?
>
>
>
> Similarly, would you consider re-asking Mr Moench? I reckon if we
find a
> script we could con Foster into doing a Sonny style and complete the
> comic..!
>
> Uh oh, he's just fainted again..
>
>
>
> Michael
>

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*** What's the first mistake? Watson as Cornelius?

 

I don't know if I'd refer to that as a mistake, I mean Roddy was unavailable due to his film directing commitments, so they needed someone... And with FOX itching to get BENEATH under way, I suppose they had to hop on the chance to do BENEATH with or without McDowall... ***

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 7:18:27 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

That's possibly the first mistake re the sequels.

 

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*** Or would have they carried on with an ESCAPE style story with all new apes in the cast... That wouldn't have bothered me... ESCAPE's story could have worked if it were three gorillas in Taylor's ship! ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 7:19:56 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Or would they have gone with a totally different story?

 

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*** In James' defense, if his dealings with you were like the one I had with you, I can see his being mad... I mean collecting money for a set of comics you sold and didn't even have all of them in stock at that time of selling them? Seriously, do you think that's a good way to do business? ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 8:23:04 PM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@... writes:

I seem to get one person every single year who feels they have been ripped off of old purchases that didnt get filled immediately.

 

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*** I have heard this, and I will say it's a good thing on the part of AC to do that. ***

 

In a message dated 2/7/09 8:23:49 PM Central Standard Time, hoknescards@... writes:

The good news is I think that the latest issues have been much better quality and quantity material than the earlier issues

 

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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:41 AM, jessica rotich < jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Yes, John.  Matt does do Cornelius masks in latex, too.  If you google "finkbuilt Cornelius," you will see my friend Steve's Cornelius mask made by Matt.

 

James, I do full scale as well (usually just for me).  So far I have dressed up as Cleopatra, Nefertiti, and a Balinese dancer.  I love to get dressed up!

 

Jessica.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:16 AM, John B Kirtley <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:

Dear Jessica,

 

These look fantastic. Does Mathew do Cornelius masks raw like yours?

 

John

From: jessica rotich

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:44 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Cc: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!!

Here are photos of my wig before and after styling.  I had to give it a little haircut.  It is sitting on a latex mask that I purchased from Matt Sotis.  The latex mask helps keep the wig from falling off the mannequin head because I don't have any toupee tape at the moment, and helps me imagine how Zira will look.  She is getting there!!

 

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/zira001-1.jpg

 

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/zira002-2.jpg

 

Jessica.

 

Still working on hairing up the additional hair pieces I bought.  I want to complete those this weekend so that I could have the next two weeks adding detail/paint to my Zira mask.

 

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:48 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Would love to see some pics when you have everything assembled.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
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> Greetings everyone. I am patiently waiting for all of my orders to come in,
> and am busy doing mental gymnastics, trying to figure out how to
> successfully augment to the hairpieces I ordered for Zira's costume. At
> least I can start augmenting to the hair pieces, which may be a lot of work
> but well worth it in the end. My plan for this weekend is to complete the
> hair augmentation to the hairpieces I already have in-house, and to start
> assembling all of the materials and bits to the costume in one general area
> of my bedroom.
>
>
> Jessica.
>

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Speaking of T4 . . . Does anyone else think that the DP

fucking with Christian Bale during the shot was a Director's

Trick to get him to put more emotion into the scene?

 

 

In a message dated 2/5/2009 10:18:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

I've been caught up with scificountdown these last few days. Especially T4 with it's release date no more than 3 months from now.

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*** They should have just pulled a James Bond/007 and got a "new" Taylor if Heston was refusing (though of course he did do BENEATH in the end)... ***

 

In a message dated 2/8/09 12:24:29 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Making them depend on a character and not on a script…

 

Eg HESTON in the first instance……

 

 

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*** Well, I wouldn't say he dominated the (whole) script, just his part in it... You're right though, he dominated the end which was his big part in the film... I just wish Ted Post had not been so clingy to the idea that to do a sequel you have to have the star from the first one in it... I mean I'm sure tehy would have been able to get most of, if not all of, the original apes players, so even if Heston wasn't there it'd be probable that the other stars would have been. ***

 

 

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I had to interview someone in my field of study for a class.

I really couldn't think of anyone else, so I called Kim.  I'm

glad I taped it. My memory sucks. I still have it to this day.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 2:48:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Spoke to him on the phone.

FASCINATING guy.  Told tales of going to the Heston house to visit and other absolutely riveting tales.

Wish I'd taped it!

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Actually I think they let her get away with not

having to wear the chin piece and the contacts

just to keep her.  It wouldn't do to have a star walk.

You wouldn't find many of her caliber who would wear

it at all, no matter what concessions were made for comfort.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 2:49:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, skintricks@... writes:

Some people have reactions to certain make up on sensitive areas.  Maybe she can't have anything on her neck!?!

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I think that was a concession to Roddy

who wanted to look like Liz Taylor.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 2:56:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

at least David has half way reasonable Cornelius hair, not like in ESCAPE and everything after where Roddy was more or less wearing a Kim Hunter style wig... ***

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Here's that quote again about screwing up the females. Boy did they ever!  Lisa Marie's Nova looks like she's dipping some chaw when she closes her mouth over those teeth.

The makeup for the male apes of the various species was superb: that for the females while technically as brilliant was marred by design compromises (eyebrows? hairstyles? lips?): they do not look as if they belong in the same movie. In one interview Rick Baker, speaking of Ari, admitted the risk:

Tim said he wanted her to be attractive to a human male. I told him, that's going to be tough, because if you're just looking at a chimp's face, it's really hard to tell a female from a male, and some of them are hideously ugly . . . Trying to humanize her would only make matters worse – it would make her even more grotesque, like a freak human.

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 3:26:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, skintricks@... writes:

Just thought you'd like to see (especially Jessica)  It's a website with pics of women in make up.  He has one page dedicated to POTA.  This page hasn't updated the pics in quite a while, but the commentary has.

 

http://www.themakeu pgallery. org.uk/fantasy/ beast/ape/ pota/index. htm

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And a scary Judge.  I kept thinking when Richard Whitmark died that it was him.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 11:28:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

he made a great Orangutan, plus while made up, he made a very convincing ape... ***

 

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Jess I find the best way to do those

hair pieces are to cut down sections

from another wig if possible.  Male

beards just don't cut it without a lot of help.

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/2009 12:18:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

  It will still need to be cut and trimmed.

 

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Wrong!  Without Heston there would be no POTA.

So, for all intents & purposes, he IS POTA!.

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/2009 2:29:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

– like he IS the POTA!

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I don't know if its of any interest to you but about twelve years
ago i went the same way in business ( made mistake of trusting a
partner ) anyway enough of that .
My point is that houses are just bricks and credit scores can be re-
biult in time. Family and real friends will stand bye you and help
you through a stressful time.
Just remember family and personnal health are the main things to
remember.
Good luck
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear that, Michael. My best wishes to you and your
family. Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:29 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] FW: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary
issues)
>
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> As I said almost a year ago - please send to Neil's address.
>
>
>
> Words cannot express how disappointed I am.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>
> From: Terry Hoknes [hoknescards@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 7:47 PM
> To: Michael & Sally Whitty
> Subject: Re: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary issues)
>
>
>
> Yikes sorry to hear about that Michael
>
>
>
> I went bankrupt myself actually 5 years ago
>
> a stressful time but life moves on
>
> but i still recommend avoiding if possible
>
> just cause its real hard to buy a house etc afterwards
>
>
>
> Look forward to your honest thoughts (good or bad) on the new ape
chronicles issues
>
> will you be at this address for a while?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Terry
>
>
>
> Same as Neil's address at the moment as I am selling my house
and declaring bankruptcy and I stand to lose everything I own.
>
>
>
> Nothing much new Terry, that's probably enough to cope with for
me right now.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>
> From: Terry Hoknes [hoknescards@...]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May 2008 5:16 PM
> To: Michael & Sally Whitty
> Subject: APES CHRONICLES (POTA 40th Anniversary issues)
>
>
>
> Hi Michael please confirm your address
>
> so I make sure you get the issue
>
> thanks
>
> whats new?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not received anything yet but I think Terry was going
to send me at least the copy for which I gave an interview.
>
> I must say (sorry Terry!) I was less than impressed to see 5
issues released at the same time at around $10 each! Terry would be
the only person in the world making money off POTA! :)
>
> I don't like to knock things POTA, but when people are asking
for money - it had better be worth it.
>
> I know when I have asked for money it has BARELY covered
postage, and Neil will confirm that I do actually "pay" him
(sometimes with spaghetti matriciana!) so I am WELL out of pocket.
>
> I can see from the covers and pages of Scrolls that the lads
wouldn't be making a profit there either (John, Dave - please let me
know here).
>
> It's also kinda weird, after all the shit I took over my
decision to use "OFFICIAL International POTAFC" title, including
being banned from one of the Yahoo! POTA groups, that nobody seems to
have reacted to Terry using the "OFFICIAL..." banner on his site.
>
> But I must say it's nice to see some old faces back here and
that some people can set aside differences and get on. Contrary to
what you would think if you believed the member numbers of some
groups, there's about 100 POTA fans in the world....it's a shame to
split these into SUB groups!
>
> Michael
>
> ---- gp3085 <urko3085@...> wrote:
> > I have not received any of the anniversary issues issues of
APES
> > CHRONICLES even though I still have 3 issues to go on my
> > subscription.
> >
> > Greg P.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > WIth all the talk lately of the probable release of all 5
films on
> > Blu-ray
> > > (and more than likely standard DVD as well), plus the
additional
> > upcoming things
> > > like the EMCE Toys repros of the Soldier Ape and
Cornelius, the
> > possibility
> > > of new comics from Neil and Whitty, plus Rob's APES
timeline
> > book... I got to
> > > thinking that this year is turning out ok for APES
items...
> > >
> > > We have all of the above, plus we just received a new
SIMIAN
> > SCROLLS not too
> > > long ago, with another one coming later this summer/early
fall...
> > All this is
> > > leading up to is a question regarding one of the most (if
not the
> > most) hyped
> > > 40th Anniversary tie-ins, the five issues of APE
CHRONICLES...
> > >
> > > From what I understood, all five issues were set to go,
so I'm
> > wondering who
> > > (if anyone) has received their issues yet? If so, what is
the
> > content like? Is
> > > it all 40th Anniversary related features/articles, or is
there
> > more to them?
> > >
> > > I know there were a few people on here who ordered them,
and I'd
> > really
> > > appreciate hearing their feedback... I know Mr. Foster
was
> > supposed to receive a
> > > set, and if I remember right PotAfan (sp?) was gonna get
them
> > too.. So anyone
> > > who received them, let's have a review... Let your
reviews of the
> > 40th
> > > Anniversary issues of AC be the start of your reviews for
all the
> > new APES items we
> > > can look forward to this
year...<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Get
> > trade secrets for amazing
> > > burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL
Food.<BR>
> > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?
> > NCID=aolfod00030000000002)</HTML>
> > >
> >
> >
>

I don't know you but have just been reading about the complaints that
you have been recieving, firstly i think that the person in question
should keep these views of the forum , unless it has affected many
members after the person has tried to sort it out .
however i have never bought any of your publications , but personally
anyone who puts the time and effort into a production like this then
i think takes dedication .
Long may it continue and all the best from a P.O.T.A's fan ( without
all the political crap )
Mark
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...>
wrote:

>
> Thanks for addressing the issue
> but I was under the impression you were saying I had ripped you off

of money

> but if you simply didn't like something you read than I don't see

the reason to cut me down

>
> However I do agree you are entitled to your own opinion so if you

didn't personally like than that is fine

> Can't please everyone !
>
> But if you do know anything about fanzines they are a compilation

of whatever materials are compiled by fans etc.

> I can only assemble what people send me or I personaly write or

collect

> So if people want to criticize any fanzines I always suggest that

they help give some input to make it better

> thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> Nothing political but I do say what I think and I will offer this:
>
> Are you sure that you read it? I saw a friend's issue and I am

more

> than a little happy that I've not parted with any coin!
>
> 35 pages (one of the shortest ever).
>
> No letters pages.
>
> A FULL PAGE of that janet of the apes bile (the only artwork in

the

> whole thing!).
>
> A post lifted from the DG that takes up 2 pages! I have to woner

if

> anyone sought your permission to reprint this because if so you

were

> INVOLVED in a conspiracy.
>
> Sure some of the people they interviewed for the '40th

anniversary'

> were from left field, a guy who worked as a hairsylist on films

and

> did some Apes stuff, a new york times reporter who was on the set
> etc. but then again who the fuck else is there left to interview!?
>
> To tell the truth the issue looks rushed and half arsed if you

ask me.

>
> JM
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Just back from a visit to Neil where I read the latest Simian
> Scrolls (40th
> > Anniversary Edition).
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm pleased to say that this is back to the good old days of
> Scrolls where
> > every page is a treat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well done to everyone involved.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing I was particularly excited about is the article on

Comics

> by Rich
> > Handley (author of the new POTA Timeline book).
> >
> >
> >
> > Being the first thing that exposed me to POTA I have a

particularly

> warm
> > feeling about the monthly Curtis magazines and often I can

recall

> parts of
> > my childhood (weddings, funerals, celebrations) and I know
> precisely what
> > issue I was reading at the time!
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently asked if anyone has noticed some exciting stuff on
> eBay. Well
> > I'm referring to the comic pages that have been offered for
> purchase.
> >
> >
> >
> > There's 3 more pages to add to the page Rich refers to in the
> Scrolls
> > article, attributed to Sonny Trinidad (but denied by him as

being

> his work)
> > and also some deleted pages from BATTLE where you can actually
> EASILY see
> > where they would slip in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil - are you able to upload these pages to the files?
> >
> >
> >
> > The 3 additional pages really bring light to the one page Rich
> originally
> > sourced and who knows..maybe the rest are out there somewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems sure that the entire comic was at least WRITTEN (by

whom?)

> and at
> > least these 4 pages (maybe more?) drawn.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is an ongoing mystery but if there's any comics out there

from

> the era
> > I'd love to see them find the light of day.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich - with the 3 new pages having been found, would you

consider

> re-asking
> > sonny about these?
> >
> >
> >
> > Similarly, would you consider re-asking Mr Moench? I reckon if

we

> find a
> > script we could con Foster into doing a Sonny style and

complete the

> > comic..!
> >
> > Uh oh, he's just fainted again..
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
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That's true, but without him,

that SO MUCH MORE would

never have even happened.

And if it did, Nova would have

been Zira, and Eddie G would

be Dr. Zaius, if that!  More like

James Brolen as Dr. Zaius.

 

 

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there's SO much more to POTA than him! 

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Actually I think they let her get away with not

having to wear the chin piece and the contacts

just to keep her.  It wouldn't do to have a star walk.

You wouldn't find many of her caliber who would wear

it at all, no matter what concessions were made for comfort.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 2:49:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, skintricks@cox. net writes:

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**** Well, he "was" a major star at the time and that's what Jacobs needed, so without his faith in the project, Arthur may have had a hard time getting someone with the Box Office appeal he had so he was entitled to have some pull... However, to demand that film destroys any more films was way out of line (and his demand of World's End didn't work anyway.) ****

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/09 2:30:00 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I think it was extremely arrogant for Heston to try to control it like this – like he IS the POTA!

 

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