I doubt most Americans would conclude this either.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
> I think Neil is saying (politely) "only an American would conclude
> this!".
>
> Said very affectionalely of course, but maybe with eyes rolling! ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> >
> > Not even after reading Greene's book??? ;)
> >
> > Patrick
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> I don't know what the fuck they put in the water over there to

brainwash you guys but blowing your bugle about rights (to MURDER
people?!?!?) and philosophies does not change this:

>
> Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties" for
women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as their
roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
the colonization mission:

1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]

The ONLY reason a woman was included in this ANSA mission to colonize
an alien world was because MEN CANNOT MAKE BABIES WITHOUT WOMEN. If
they COULD, they wouldn't bring a female along. They NEEDED a woman
to bear the children.

And you'll notice that there's no concern for the "nuclear family"
or "family values" or any of that. There is not gonna be any strict
MONOGAMY on this expedition. Taylor explicitly says that Stewart
was "to be the New Eve... with OUR hot-and-eager help, of course..."

She was to be impregnated by all three male astronauts, in order to
populate their new world. There was no female on Professor Antelle's
ship in Boulle's novel, so this detail is specifically intended for
the film's scenario.

Notice that Taylor also referred to her as "our LOVELY Lieutenant
Stewart" [to Landon] and "... now there was a LOVELY GIRL..." [to
Nova]. He refers to her as "the most precious CARGO we brought
along..." -- as if the three astronauts ["we"] were the active
members of the crew and she were a passive OBJECT ["cargo"],
a "thing". Her value consists of being "LOVELY" and being "FERTILE".

We're not only dealing with the theme of American Imperialism here,
folks, we're also dealing with GENDER ROLES. The role of women in the
planned society -- or at least, its initial start-up phase -- is to
be a "thing" to be "used" by the dominant Males of the power
structure in order to perpetuate the power-relationships indefinitely.

Stewart's death prevents that long-term Plan from happening. At least
until they find REPLACEMENT females [Nova and the other women in the
tribe of mute savages] belonging to a group who will be ruled in six
months, if Taylor has anything to say about it.

Look at the role of the Ape and Human females in the TV series. They
could've had a 4-person crew, with Jonesy dying and THREE surviving
astronauts: Virdon, Burke, and a WOMAN. Virdon's mission, evidently,
didn't involve colonizing Alpha Centauri, so... NO WOMEN NEEDED,
thank you very much!

Aside from Dr. Kira, is there one female PROFESSIONAL depicted in the
TV series who isn't evil in some way? All the female roles in the
show tended to be DOMESTIC ones: wives, daughters, widows, etc. Kira
is a surgeon, a profession that -- one might say -- is an extension
of the Nurturing Healer that goes hand-in-hand with the female role
of Mother.

But Wanda and Carsia? They are the ONLY female roles that involve
POWER of any kind... and both of them ABUSE that power. Might there
be a message in this? Females are not to be trusted with power unless
it is the power to Heal?

Just a thought...

Patrick

OK I wasn't going to be rude and point that out! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I doubt most Americans would conclude this either.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
wrote:
> > I think Neil is saying (politely) "only an American would
conclude
> > this!".
> >
> > Said very affectionalely of course, but maybe with eyes
rolling! ;)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> > <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not even after reading Greene's book??? ;)
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

"Dear Jessica,

He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if
ever smiled in POTA 67.
Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will
definitely want one (Rebel ape?)

John"

They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he looked in
ESCAPE.

-- Rory

We must live really sheltered lives here in Australia Patrick because I
have 4 daughters and I've NEVER had to defend their lives! If it comes
to it of course I'll use whatever means I have to protect them, but
what are the odds? Really - what ARE the odds?

To live your life with a gun at your side in case you might one day
have to defend your children is more like a death in itself. And I
also lived in the USA for a year in 1983/84. I walked BROADWAY at 1am
and was asked by a black gut in an alley for a light. I walked up the
dark alley (something my mother SPECIFICALLY warned me never to do) and
I lit the fattest joint I've seen to this day and spoke to this man
(who thought all Aussies were racist because he saw a David Bowie
clip "Let's Dance where an Aboriginal scrubs the streets - something
that I explained in reality does NOT happen!).

I have no idea why he called me up that alley but I had no weapon other
than my wits and I reckon if I did have a gun I might have just shit my
pants and shot the guy when I realised where I was and what I was doing.

I survived most every city in the USA without a gun.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > I don't know what the fuck they put in the water over there to
> brainwash you guys but blowing your bugle about rights (to MURDER
> people?!?!?) and philosophies does not change this:
> >
> > Places with gun control have fewer murders.
>

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Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
amount of murders you have in the USA?

Are the UK governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?

No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
just nonsense.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> The reason they included that amendment had nothing to do with
> Hunting or the sport of Target Shooting or -- as you so stupidly

put it -- the "right" to MURDER people. The Founders recognized that

> POWER CORRUPTS, and that Government is -- at best -- a necessary

EVIL (in the words of Thomas Paine, from his book "COMMON SENSE"). It
is human nature for people in positions of power to tend to ABUSE
that power, and to infringe the Rights of the people. Give any
government too much power, and it's a given that it will mutate into
a Dictatorship. A tyranny. THE ONLY THING KEEPING A GOVERNMENT FROM

> SUBJUGATING A FREE PEOPLE AND REDUCING THEM TO SLAVES OF THE STATE

IS

> AN ARMED CITIZENRY. Like it or not, when a government disarms the
> people, it is a slippery slope to Totalitarianism.

The difference is Patrick that by the time someone gets a gun
license, waits 30 days to get the gun, and puts some time between
when they are feeling murderous, most people will say "what was I
thinking?". They won't carry out the murder.

You can also copulate someone to death Patrick (you seem be doing
this to me right now!) but the most effective way to kill a person is
with a GUN. You pull it out, aim and shoot. Pull a knife on someone
and you may very well get it kicked out of your hand and shoved in
your eye. Guns are VERY good at what they are made todo - KILL.

If phones develop to be a perfect killing machine the same would
apply.

You just don't get it because you don't want to Patrick. pretent t's
a hole in the plot of POTA for 10 seconds and you'll get a completely
different mindset!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> Does that excuse Murders committed by gun-wielding criminals? OF
> COURSE NOT!!! Neither does it excuse murders committed by people

who

> use POISON or who push people off rooftops or out of windows, or

who

> stab people to death with ice picks, or ---
>
> There are a million ways to commit murder, and human beings will
> undoubtedly come up with new ways as long as our species exists.
> Hell, I bet some clever psychopath is trying right now to develop a
> way to create a nanotech gizmo that can ride an electrical impulse
> through a phone-line and jump out into some poor bastard's ear and
> explode inside his brain. And then idealistic guys will demand that
> PHONES be outlawed, because PHONES KILL PEOPLE.
>
> Go see the movie "VALKYRIE", Mike. If somebody had managed to kill
> Hitler with a bullet to the head BEFORE he achieved absolute power
> (and, remember, he effectively WARNED the world of what kind of a

man

> he was when he published MEIN KAMPF), maybe upwards of TWENTY

MILLION

> HUMAN BEINGS would have remained alive rather than been murdered by
> the Axis powers. It's too bad that the events depicted in the true
> story of "VALKYRIE" couldn't have been successful -- or, better

yet,

> been accomplished several years earlier.
>
> A gun and a bullet could have changed the world for the better.
>
> Does that mean that I like guns? NO!!! I wish the damned things had
> never been invented. But they WERE. And there's no way in hell that
> genie is gonna be crammed back inside that bottle. Pandora's Box is
> open, and there isn't a damned thing anybody can do about it.
>
> You say that places with Gun Control have fewer murders. Tell that

to

> the victims of Stalin's gulags. Stalin killed more people than

Hitler

> WISHED he could've killed, and "Uncle Joe" did it by ruling a
> totalitarian regime which denied gun ownership to its people. The
> Russian people didn't just roll over like doggies and allow

Stalin's

> regime to murder them by the millions. They didn't have the

firepower

> to defend themselves against ruthless despotism.
>
> The Nazis and Imperial Japan weren't defeated by unarmed peaceniks.
> They were defeated by the ARMED FORCES of the Allied nations,
> including Australia, I might add. Hitler said: "Today Europe,
> tomorrow the world!" If not for the armament-using Allies waging
> their noble fight against Hitler and Tojo, how many MORE people
> would've been added to the bodycount of World War 2, I wonder? Over
> 20,000,000 people died in that war, six million of them UNARMED
> CIVILIANS. Men, women, children. Lined up along ditches and gunned
> down, helpless to defend themselves. It took ARMED SOLDIERS to

defeat

> that evil. Men fighting, risking and giving their lives in a war of
> attrition.
>
> I don't like guns. I don't like what evil people do to innocent
> people, whether it be with Guns or with any other goddamned weapon.
> But I fear more what happens when a coterie of psychopaths attain
> political power and then attempt to DISARM the people. All the

easier

> to commit mass-murder when the hoi polloi don't agree with their
> policies. The only governments that fear to oppress their people

are

> those which know that the people they would dare to oppress can

FIRE

> BACK at them, in defense of themselves, of their own Rights.
>
> That's why the Constitution has a 2nd Amendment: to Secure the
> Blessings of Liberty for them and for their Posterity -- for us!

For

> me! For everybody I know and love. To prevent Government from
> devolving into Tyranny. The men who wrote the Constitution had to
> wage a war in defense of their own Rights in order to secure their
> independence. To KEEP their independence would require ETERNAL
> VIGILANCE, as Jefferson warned us the price of Liberty would be.
>
> One last thing: you harp on the notion that Gun Control leads to
> fewer murders, implying that there is a causal connection there. I
> would argue that the murder rate ANYWHERE in the world (and not

just

> in America) is related to POVERTY. Once in a while, some schmuck

gets

> fired from his job and -- no longer able to pay the bills -- he
> either goes on a shooting rampage at work to get revenge on the

boss

> who fired him and the fellow employees who abandoned him to save
> their own jobs, or he kills his family and himself in a murder-
> suicide. The recent economic downturn has already led to such
> incidents. And, I fear, there will be more of this to come as the
> economy continues going down the shitter.
>
> Solving the Poverty issue will do more to prevent not only Murders
> but death in the form of Starvation, than any gun-banning attempts
> ever will. I pity most those poor people of Darfur who are

victimized

> not only by government-backed genocidal militias that murder males
> and rape females, but also suffer from starvation on top of all

that.

> How the hell is there gonna be any "gun control" of Sudan? The ones
> who HAVE the guns are the ones who work for their despotic
> government -- THEY'RE the ones in "control" of the guns. More than

a

> million victims of the Janjewiyd militias so far, Mike. Even if we
> COULD take away their guns, all it would do is make them use their
> machetes more often than they already do.
>
> We could always call for Machete Control, I suppose.
>
> Ah, that's enough rantin' for today!
>
> Patrick
>

Ho dear you dont want to go down that route otherwise you will have
those suffragette's on your case.
Next they will want equal rites ( what next ?)
You will be telling me a woman has sailed around the world single
handed ( both ways !!!)
Mark
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties"

for

> women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as

their

> roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
> person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
> moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
> the colonization mission:
>
> 1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
> 2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
> 3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
> 4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]
>
> The ONLY reason a woman was included in this ANSA mission to

colonize

> an alien world was because MEN CANNOT MAKE BABIES WITHOUT WOMEN. If
> they COULD, they wouldn't bring a female along. They NEEDED a woman
> to bear the children.
>
> And you'll notice that there's no concern for the "nuclear family"
> or "family values" or any of that. There is not gonna be any strict
> MONOGAMY on this expedition. Taylor explicitly says that Stewart
> was "to be the New Eve... with OUR hot-and-eager help, of course..."
>
> She was to be impregnated by all three male astronauts, in order to
> populate their new world. There was no female on Professor

Antelle's

> ship in Boulle's novel, so this detail is specifically intended for
> the film's scenario.
>
> Notice that Taylor also referred to her as "our LOVELY Lieutenant
> Stewart" [to Landon] and "... now there was a LOVELY GIRL..." [to
> Nova]. He refers to her as "the most precious CARGO we brought
> along..." -- as if the three astronauts ["we"] were the active
> members of the crew and she were a passive OBJECT ["cargo"],
> a "thing". Her value consists of being "LOVELY" and being "FERTILE".
>
> We're not only dealing with the theme of American Imperialism here,
> folks, we're also dealing with GENDER ROLES. The role of women in

the

> planned society -- or at least, its initial start-up phase -- is to
> be a "thing" to be "used" by the dominant Males of the power
> structure in order to perpetuate the power-relationships

indefinitely.

>
> Stewart's death prevents that long-term Plan from happening. At

least

> until they find REPLACEMENT females [Nova and the other women in

the

> tribe of mute savages] belonging to a group who will be ruled in

six

> months, if Taylor has anything to say about it.
>
> Look at the role of the Ape and Human females in the TV series.

They

> could've had a 4-person crew, with Jonesy dying and THREE surviving
> astronauts: Virdon, Burke, and a WOMAN. Virdon's mission,

evidently,

> didn't involve colonizing Alpha Centauri, so... NO WOMEN NEEDED,
> thank you very much!
>
> Aside from Dr. Kira, is there one female PROFESSIONAL depicted in

the

> TV series who isn't evil in some way? All the female roles in the
> show tended to be DOMESTIC ones: wives, daughters, widows, etc.

Kira

> is a surgeon, a profession that -- one might say -- is an extension
> of the Nurturing Healer that goes hand-in-hand with the female role
> of Mother.
>
> But Wanda and Carsia? They are the ONLY female roles that involve
> POWER of any kind... and both of them ABUSE that power. Might there
> be a message in this? Females are not to be trusted with power

unless

> it is the power to Heal?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Patrick
>

Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
patrick ( only kidding! )
Mark
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...>
wrote:

>
> The difference is Patrick that by the time someone gets a gun
> license, waits 30 days to get the gun, and puts some time between
> when they are feeling murderous, most people will say "what was I
> thinking?". They won't carry out the murder.
>
> You can also copulate someone to death Patrick (you seem be doing
> this to me right now!) but the most effective way to kill a person

is

> with a GUN. You pull it out, aim and shoot. Pull a knife on

someone

> and you may very well get it kicked out of your hand and shoved in
> your eye. Guns are VERY good at what they are made todo - KILL.
>
> If phones develop to be a perfect killing machine the same would
> apply.
>
> You just don't get it because you don't want to Patrick. pretent

t's

> a hole in the plot of POTA for 10 seconds and you'll get a

completely

> different mindset!
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> >
> > Does that excuse Murders committed by gun-wielding criminals? OF
> > COURSE NOT!!! Neither does it excuse murders committed by people
> who
> > use POISON or who push people off rooftops or out of windows, or
> who
> > stab people to death with ice picks, or ---
> >
> > There are a million ways to commit murder, and human beings will
> > undoubtedly come up with new ways as long as our species exists.
> > Hell, I bet some clever psychopath is trying right now to develop

a

> > way to create a nanotech gizmo that can ride an electrical

impulse

> > through a phone-line and jump out into some poor bastard's ear

and

> > explode inside his brain. And then idealistic guys will demand

that

> > PHONES be outlawed, because PHONES KILL PEOPLE.
> >
> > Go see the movie "VALKYRIE", Mike. If somebody had managed to

kill

> > Hitler with a bullet to the head BEFORE he achieved absolute

power

> > (and, remember, he effectively WARNED the world of what kind of a
> man
> > he was when he published MEIN KAMPF), maybe upwards of TWENTY
> MILLION
> > HUMAN BEINGS would have remained alive rather than been murdered

by

> > the Axis powers. It's too bad that the events depicted in the

true

> > story of "VALKYRIE" couldn't have been successful -- or, better
> yet,
> > been accomplished several years earlier.
> >
> > A gun and a bullet could have changed the world for the better.
> >
> > Does that mean that I like guns? NO!!! I wish the damned things

had

> > never been invented. But they WERE. And there's no way in hell

that

> > genie is gonna be crammed back inside that bottle. Pandora's Box

is

> > open, and there isn't a damned thing anybody can do about it.
> >
> > You say that places with Gun Control have fewer murders. Tell

that

> to
> > the victims of Stalin's gulags. Stalin killed more people than
> Hitler
> > WISHED he could've killed, and "Uncle Joe" did it by ruling a
> > totalitarian regime which denied gun ownership to its people. The
> > Russian people didn't just roll over like doggies and allow
> Stalin's
> > regime to murder them by the millions. They didn't have the
> firepower
> > to defend themselves against ruthless despotism.
> >
> > The Nazis and Imperial Japan weren't defeated by unarmed

peaceniks.

> > They were defeated by the ARMED FORCES of the Allied nations,
> > including Australia, I might add. Hitler said: "Today Europe,
> > tomorrow the world!" If not for the armament-using Allies waging
> > their noble fight against Hitler and Tojo, how many MORE people
> > would've been added to the bodycount of World War 2, I wonder?

Over

> > 20,000,000 people died in that war, six million of them UNARMED
> > CIVILIANS. Men, women, children. Lined up along ditches and

gunned

> > down, helpless to defend themselves. It took ARMED SOLDIERS to
> defeat
> > that evil. Men fighting, risking and giving their lives in a war

of

> > attrition.
> >
> > I don't like guns. I don't like what evil people do to innocent
> > people, whether it be with Guns or with any other goddamned

weapon.

> > But I fear more what happens when a coterie of psychopaths attain
> > political power and then attempt to DISARM the people. All the
> easier
> > to commit mass-murder when the hoi polloi don't agree with their
> > policies. The only governments that fear to oppress their people
> are
> > those which know that the people they would dare to oppress can
> FIRE
> > BACK at them, in defense of themselves, of their own Rights.
> >
> > That's why the Constitution has a 2nd Amendment: to Secure the
> > Blessings of Liberty for them and for their Posterity -- for us!
> For
> > me! For everybody I know and love. To prevent Government from
> > devolving into Tyranny. The men who wrote the Constitution had to
> > wage a war in defense of their own Rights in order to secure

their

> > independence. To KEEP their independence would require ETERNAL
> > VIGILANCE, as Jefferson warned us the price of Liberty would be.
> >
> > One last thing: you harp on the notion that Gun Control leads to
> > fewer murders, implying that there is a causal connection there.

I

> > would argue that the murder rate ANYWHERE in the world (and not
> just
> > in America) is related to POVERTY. Once in a while, some schmuck
> gets
> > fired from his job and -- no longer able to pay the bills -- he
> > either goes on a shooting rampage at work to get revenge on the
> boss
> > who fired him and the fellow employees who abandoned him to save
> > their own jobs, or he kills his family and himself in a murder-
> > suicide. The recent economic downturn has already led to such
> > incidents. And, I fear, there will be more of this to come as the
> > economy continues going down the shitter.
> >
> > Solving the Poverty issue will do more to prevent not only

Murders

> > but death in the form of Starvation, than any gun-banning

attempts

> > ever will. I pity most those poor people of Darfur who are
> victimized
> > not only by government-backed genocidal militias that murder

males

> > and rape females, but also suffer from starvation on top of all
> that.
> > How the hell is there gonna be any "gun control" of Sudan? The

ones

> > who HAVE the guns are the ones who work for their despotic
> > government -- THEY'RE the ones in "control" of the guns. More

than

> a
> > million victims of the Janjewiyd militias so far, Mike. Even if

we

> > COULD take away their guns, all it would do is make them use

their

> > machetes more often than they already do.
> >
> > We could always call for Machete Control, I suppose.
> >
> > Ah, that's enough rantin' for today!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>

Mark

Please don't murder Patrick! It's just not cricket! :)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > The difference is Patrick that by the time someone gets a gun
> > license, waits 30 days to get the gun, and puts some time between
> > when they are feeling murderous, most people will say "what was I
> > thinking?". They won't carry out the murder.
> >
> > You can also copulate someone to death Patrick (you seem be doing
> > this to me right now!) but the most effective way to kill a
person
> is
> > with a GUN. You pull it out, aim and shoot. Pull a knife on
> someone
> > and you may very well get it kicked out of your hand and shoved
in
> > your eye. Guns are VERY good at what they are made todo - KILL.
> >
> > If phones develop to be a perfect killing machine the same would
> > apply.
> >
> > You just don't get it because you don't want to Patrick. pretent
> t's
> > a hole in the plot of POTA for 10 seconds and you'll get a
> completely
> > different mindset!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> > <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does that excuse Murders committed by gun-wielding criminals?
OF
> > > COURSE NOT!!! Neither does it excuse murders committed by
people
> > who
> > > use POISON or who push people off rooftops or out of windows,
or
> > who
> > > stab people to death with ice picks, or ---
> > >
> > > There are a million ways to commit murder, and human beings
will
> > > undoubtedly come up with new ways as long as our species
exists.
> > > Hell, I bet some clever psychopath is trying right now to
develop
> a
> > > way to create a nanotech gizmo that can ride an electrical
> impulse
> > > through a phone-line and jump out into some poor bastard's ear
> and
> > > explode inside his brain. And then idealistic guys will demand
> that
> > > PHONES be outlawed, because PHONES KILL PEOPLE.
> > >
> > > Go see the movie "VALKYRIE", Mike. If somebody had managed to
> kill
> > > Hitler with a bullet to the head BEFORE he achieved absolute
> power
> > > (and, remember, he effectively WARNED the world of what kind of
a
> > man
> > > he was when he published MEIN KAMPF), maybe upwards of TWENTY
> > MILLION
> > > HUMAN BEINGS would have remained alive rather than been
murdered
> by
> > > the Axis powers. It's too bad that the events depicted in the
> true
> > > story of "VALKYRIE" couldn't have been successful -- or, better
> > yet,
> > > been accomplished several years earlier.
> > >
> > > A gun and a bullet could have changed the world for the better.
> > >
> > > Does that mean that I like guns? NO!!! I wish the damned things
> had
> > > never been invented. But they WERE. And there's no way in hell
> that
> > > genie is gonna be crammed back inside that bottle. Pandora's
Box
> is
> > > open, and there isn't a damned thing anybody can do about it.
> > >
> > > You say that places with Gun Control have fewer murders. Tell
> that
> > to
> > > the victims of Stalin's gulags. Stalin killed more people than
> > Hitler
> > > WISHED he could've killed, and "Uncle Joe" did it by ruling a
> > > totalitarian regime which denied gun ownership to its people.
The
> > > Russian people didn't just roll over like doggies and allow
> > Stalin's
> > > regime to murder them by the millions. They didn't have the
> > firepower
> > > to defend themselves against ruthless despotism.
> > >
> > > The Nazis and Imperial Japan weren't defeated by unarmed
> peaceniks.
> > > They were defeated by the ARMED FORCES of the Allied nations,
> > > including Australia, I might add. Hitler said: "Today Europe,
> > > tomorrow the world!" If not for the armament-using Allies
waging
> > > their noble fight against Hitler and Tojo, how many MORE people
> > > would've been added to the bodycount of World War 2, I wonder?
> Over
> > > 20,000,000 people died in that war, six million of them UNARMED
> > > CIVILIANS. Men, women, children. Lined up along ditches and
> gunned
> > > down, helpless to defend themselves. It took ARMED SOLDIERS to
> > defeat
> > > that evil. Men fighting, risking and giving their lives in a
war
> of
> > > attrition.
> > >
> > > I don't like guns. I don't like what evil people do to innocent
> > > people, whether it be with Guns or with any other goddamned
> weapon.
> > > But I fear more what happens when a coterie of psychopaths
attain
> > > political power and then attempt to DISARM the people. All the
> > easier
> > > to commit mass-murder when the hoi polloi don't agree with
their
> > > policies. The only governments that fear to oppress their
people
> > are
> > > those which know that the people they would dare to oppress can
> > FIRE
> > > BACK at them, in defense of themselves, of their own Rights.
> > >
> > > That's why the Constitution has a 2nd Amendment: to Secure the
> > > Blessings of Liberty for them and for their Posterity -- for
us!
> > For
> > > me! For everybody I know and love. To prevent Government from
> > > devolving into Tyranny. The men who wrote the Constitution had
to
> > > wage a war in defense of their own Rights in order to secure
> their
> > > independence. To KEEP their independence would require ETERNAL
> > > VIGILANCE, as Jefferson warned us the price of Liberty would
be.
> > >
> > > One last thing: you harp on the notion that Gun Control leads
to
> > > fewer murders, implying that there is a causal connection
there.
> I
> > > would argue that the murder rate ANYWHERE in the world (and not
> > just
> > > in America) is related to POVERTY. Once in a while, some
schmuck
> > gets
> > > fired from his job and -- no longer able to pay the bills -- he
> > > either goes on a shooting rampage at work to get revenge on the
> > boss
> > > who fired him and the fellow employees who abandoned him to
save
> > > their own jobs, or he kills his family and himself in a murder-
> > > suicide. The recent economic downturn has already led to such
> > > incidents. And, I fear, there will be more of this to come as
the
> > > economy continues going down the shitter.
> > >
> > > Solving the Poverty issue will do more to prevent not only
> Murders
> > > but death in the form of Starvation, than any gun-banning
> attempts
> > > ever will. I pity most those poor people of Darfur who are
> > victimized
> > > not only by government-backed genocidal militias that murder
> males
> > > and rape females, but also suffer from starvation on top of all
> > that.
> > > How the hell is there gonna be any "gun control" of Sudan? The
> ones
> > > who HAVE the guns are the ones who work for their despotic
> > > government -- THEY'RE the ones in "control" of the guns. More
> than
> > a
> > > million victims of the Janjewiyd militias so far, Mike. Even if
> we
> > > COULD take away their guns, all it would do is make them use
> their
> > > machetes more often than they already do.
> > >
> > > We could always call for Machete Control, I suppose.
> > >
> > > Ah, that's enough rantin' for today!
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> >
>

Jess, you almost make me want to collect Megos!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Here she is...she is finally done! This is my rehaired and repainted
> Sideshow Zira. Enjoy!!
>
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5779-1.jpg
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5776.jpg
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5787.jpg
>
> Jess.
>
> PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first
movie and
> Escape...since he looks so very different in both. And, you can
never have
> too many apes. (At least I can never have too many).
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> > "Dear Jessica,
> >
> > He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if
> > ever smiled in POTA 67.
> > Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will
> > definitely want one (Rebel ape?)
> >
> > John"
> >
> > They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he looked in
> > ESCAPE.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
>

Cool story!

In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival, aside from gang
members--even here in the United States. And I think you'll find that
the vast majority of us feel that way as well. I'll never understand
the arguments that the NRA gives for people having guns in their home.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> We must live really sheltered lives here in Australia Patrick because I
> have 4 daughters and I've NEVER had to defend their lives! If it comes
> to it of course I'll use whatever means I have to protect them, but
> what are the odds? Really - what ARE the odds?
>
> To live your life with a gun at your side in case you might one day
> have to defend your children is more like a death in itself. And I
> also lived in the USA for a year in 1983/84. I walked BROADWAY at 1am
> and was asked by a black gut in an alley for a light. I walked up the
> dark alley (something my mother SPECIFICALLY warned me never to do) and
> I lit the fattest joint I've seen to this day and spoke to this man
> (who thought all Aussies were racist because he saw a David Bowie
> clip "Let's Dance where an Aboriginal scrubs the streets - something
> that I explained in reality does NOT happen!).
>
> I have no idea why he called me up that alley but I had no weapon other
> than my wits and I reckon if I did have a gun I might have just shit my
> pants and shot the guy when I realised where I was and what I was doing.
>
> I survived most every city in the USA without a gun.
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> > <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > > I don't know what the fuck they put in the water over there to
> > brainwash you guys but blowing your bugle about rights (to MURDER
> > people?!?!?) and philosophies does not change this:
> > >
> > > Places with gun control have fewer murders.
> >

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I would but you'd just call it a load of crap.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:35:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

And just why would they even think of hiring you anyway, please enlighten us?

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See this is the sort of bully I was talking about.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:36:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

And yes I can take away your rights.  I can boot your arse out of this group any time.

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Right to Carry maps

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:40:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

My question is – when are we talking about and WHERE?

Aren't all the US States RIGHT TO CARRY?

Which ones are NOT?

And of those, which ones switched to RIGHT TO CARRY and produced these stats?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 22 February 2009 6:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Grand Torino *****SPOILER ALERT ******

Yeah but how does this compare to cities in countries where you can't carry arms?

Neil

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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:23 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Grand Torino *****SPOILER ALERT ******

Except for this.  But I guess these facts are lies too.

Right to Carry reduces crime. States that approve right to carry experience a significant decline in violent crime rates after the right to carry laws take effect. According to FBI crime statistics states implementing right to carry experience:
An 8 percent drop in murder rates
A 7 percent drop in aggravated assaults
A 5 percent drop in rapes
A 4.9 percent drop in all violent crime
A 2.2 percent decline in robberies.

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Not sure what you mean.  We do have gun laws.  Of course

criminals don't follow them.  But they're criminals, why would

they?  Cross the border of what?  Canada?  Mexico?  Another

state?  Here you can go to Walmart.  Guns and ammo are in

Sporting Goods.  Not handguns though.  There's a background

check and a waiting period for that so you to a gun store.  If

you want a permit to carry you have to take classes, qualify

on the range and apply for it through law enforcement.  There

have been recent changes to the gun laws in Texas.  Used to

be you couldn't carry in your car unless you were going to or

from the range, or planning on spending then night across a

county line.  Now you can carry in your car, but must leave it

in the car unless you have a concealed carry permit.  There

have also been a change in the laws allowing the use of deadly

force to protect your property outside the home such as cars. 

But why ask me, since this can easily be Googled, and I

just talk a load of crap.  Dead end subject.  We just disagree.

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 5:42:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, markhaydon3@... writes:

In the states dont you just cross the boarder and get one?
Australia they are all like crocodile dundee arn't they????

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And the cops look must have been based

on Nazi's with the all black and riding boots.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 6:21:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, markhaydon3@... writes:

Do you know i never thought of that!!!
It was being run like a dictatorship so who knows there thinking
behind that one.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties" for
women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as their
roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
the colonization mission:

1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]

.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

because MEN CANNOT MAKE BABIES WITHOUT WOMEN. If
they COULD, they wouldn't bring a female along. They NEEDED a woman
to bear the children.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Re: My Sideshow Zira!!

Fantastic work!

 

Al

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From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:20:53 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Re: My Sideshow Zira!!

Here she is...she is finally done!  This is my rehaired and repainted Sideshow Zira.  Enjoy!!

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5779-1.jpg

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5776.jpg

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5787.jpg

 

Jess.

 

PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first movie and Escape...since he looks so very different in both.  And, you can never have too many apes.  (At least I can never have too many).

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

"Dear Jessica,

He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if
ever smiled in POTA 67.
Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will
definitely want one (Rebel ape?)

John"

They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he looked in
ESCAPE.

-- Rory

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] No sir, I don't like it!

 

I would but you'd just call it a load of crap.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:35:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

And just why would they even think of hiring you anyway, please enlighten us?

.

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*** Exactly. He obviously seen something in the concept and Boulle's book to "push" the film, he certainly liked it from a story POV and as a great role...

 

It just seemed (at times) if APES was brought up, he didn't always seem to talk of it as proudly as say his role as Moses, etc.

 

I know he never hated it, and was never "ashamed" of it, he just seemed to like his other roles better... But then again, maybe it was jst those few "off times" that gave that imppresssion... ***

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/09 2:24:17 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

I'm sure he did. That's what I'm saying – he wasn't a big fan of POTA – not that I'd expect him to be.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/22/09 3:19:52 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

You're not turning into some sort of mutant Eric Greene are you? ;-)

*** You beat me to the punch! ***

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In a message dated 2/22/09 3:32:48 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

And this is relevant because?

 

Neil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

There wasn't a woman in the BENEATH ship, serving with Brent under Maddox, was there? There wasn't a woman along in the ship Virdon commanded.

 

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In a message dated 2/22/09 4:58:57 PM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

The buses weren't a reference to race relations--they were scavenged vehicles that held a lot of people. That's all there was to it, and anyone with any sense at the time knew it.

*** Thank you! Knowing the good sense you have makes me think I might just have to buy your book ;) ***

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In a message dated 2/22/09 2:37:29 PM Central Standard Time, markhaydon3@... writes:

Roddy however , enen though he was a good actor never commanded the
same pay scale.

*** That's because he was never truly a "leading man"... He was more like a top-notch character actor. ***

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Jess, you almost make me want to collect Megos!
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@>
wrote:
> >
> > Here she is...she is finally done! This is my rehaired and
repainted
> > Sideshow Zira. Enjoy!!
> >
> >
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5779-
1.jpg
> >
> >
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5776.jp
g
> >
> >
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5787.jp
g
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> > PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first
> movie and
> > Escape...since he looks so very different in both. And, you can
> never have
> > too many apes. (At least I can never have too many).
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@> wrote:
> >
> > > "Dear Jessica,
> > >
> > > He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very
rarely if
> > > ever smiled in POTA 67.
> > > Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I
will
> > > definitely want one (Rebel ape?)
> > >
> > > John"
> > >
> > > They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he
looked in
> > > ESCAPE.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I thought so....just the extremists as usual....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Cool story!
>
> In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival, aside from
gang
> members--even here in the United States. And I think you'll find
that
> the vast majority of us feel that way as well. I'll never
understand
> the arguments that the NRA gives for people having guns in their
home.
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@>
wrote:
> >
> > We must live really sheltered lives here in Australia Patrick
because I
> > have 4 daughters and I've NEVER had to defend their lives! If it
comes
> > to it of course I'll use whatever means I have to protect them,
but
> > what are the odds? Really - what ARE the odds?
> >
> > To live your life with a gun at your side in case you might one
day
> > have to defend your children is more like a death in itself. And
I
> > also lived in the USA for a year in 1983/84. I walked BROADWAY
at 1am
> > and was asked by a black gut in an alley for a light. I walked
up the
> > dark alley (something my mother SPECIFICALLY warned me never to
do) and
> > I lit the fattest joint I've seen to this day and spoke to this
man
> > (who thought all Aussies were racist because he saw a David Bowie
> > clip "Let's Dance where an Aboriginal scrubs the streets -
something
> > that I explained in reality does NOT happen!).
> >
> > I have no idea why he called me up that alley but I had no weapon
other
> > than my wits and I reckon if I did have a gun I might have just
shit my
> > pants and shot the guy when I realised where I was and what I was
doing.
> >
> > I survived most every city in the USA without a gun.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> > <patrickmichaeltilton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> > > <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > > > I don't know what the fuck they put in the water over there
to
> > > brainwash you guys but blowing your bugle about rights (to
MURDER
> > > people?!?!?) and philosophies does not change this:
> > > >
> > > > Places with gun control have fewer murders.
> > >

You are probably right! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I would but you'd just call it a load of crap.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:35:11 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> And just why would they even think of hiring you anyway, please
enlighten
> us?
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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Why are you calling me names?

is what I am saying untrue? It's the truth but I haven't done it nor
am I saying I will. Just that I can.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> See this is the sort of bully I was talking about.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 2:36:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> And yes I can take away your rights. I can boot your arse out of
this group
> any time.
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Yes ANSA could very well have had different duties for women, it's a
> fictional organisation they can do anything they want, they do not

have

> to automatically follow the way NASA worked back then.
> And Stewart could have had any role, you can not say that her only
> reason for being on the crew was to be a 'breeder' just from that

line

> spoken by Taylor. At least she would have enjoyed her training if

that

> was her only role though.
>
> I always thought Landon called him 'skipper' because that was his
> nickname from back in their college days when they played on the

same

> football team.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
>
>
>
> Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties"

for

> women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as

their

> roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
> person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
> moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
> the colonization mission:
>
> 1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
> 2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
> 3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
> 4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?

s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m

> sgId=51928/stime=1235347346/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=5349275>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Yes ANSA could very well have had different duties for women, it's a
> fictional organisation they can do anything they want, they do not

have

> to automatically follow the way NASA worked back then.
> And Stewart could have had any role, you can not say that her only
> reason for being on the crew was to be a 'breeder' just from that

line

> spoken by Taylor. At least she would have enjoyed her training if

that

> was her only role though.
>
> I always thought Landon called him 'skipper' because that was his
> nickname from back in their college days when they played on the

same

> football team.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
>
>
>
> Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties"

for

> women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as

their

> roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
> person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
> moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
> the colonization mission:
>
> 1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
> 2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
> 3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
> 4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?

s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m

> sgId=51928/stime=1235347346/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=5349275>
>

No it was because he likes to skip in the playground at lunch time....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> I always thought Landon called him 'skipper' because that was his
> nickname from back in their college days when they played on the
same
> football team.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
>
>
>
> Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties"
for
> women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as
their
> roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
> person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
> moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
> the colonization mission:
>
> 1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
> 2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
> 3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
> 4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=51928/stime=1235347346/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=5349275>
>

Horny Aussie Bitches from ANSA (All Naughty Sex Academy).

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> *** And, how do we know that the ship that arrived twn years
before
> Burke/Virdon/Jones wasn't crewed entirely by women? Maybe even
Australian women,
> right Whitty? ****
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/09 3:32:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> And this is relevant because?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
>
>
>
> There wasn't a woman in the BENEATH ship, serving with Brent under
Maddox,
> was there? There wasn't a woman along in the ship Virdon
commanded.
>
>
>
>
>
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Jeff <skintricks@... > wrote:

Anyone else see this creepy thing yesterday?  Great sculpting, but...

 

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*** It looks like an infant version of the pota2001 females... "Baby Ari" is more like it than anything to do with Zira... ***

 

n a message dated 2/22/09 11:15:52 PM Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Mary Mother of God!!  That is freakingly fugly....holy moly....Jeeeezussssss.......

 

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A masterful job!

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 6:21:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Here she is...she is finally done!  This is my rehaired and repainted Sideshow Zira.  Enjoy!!

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5779-1.jpg

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5776.jpg

 

http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5787.jpg

 

Jess.

 

PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first movie and Escape...since he looks so very different in both.  And, you can never have too many apes.  (At least I can never have too many).

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

"Dear Jessica,

He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if
ever smiled in POTA 67.
Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will
definitely want one (Rebel ape?)

John"

They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he looked in
ESCAPE.

-- Rory

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No, the truth is it's far better to have one and not need it

than it is to need one and not have it.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival, aside from gang
members--even here in the United States.

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If the majority felt that way

then the Constitution would

have been amended by now.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

And I think you'll find that
the vast majority of us feel that way as well

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Let's not flog a dead horse.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:04:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

No I tell it as I see it mate. So if something's crap I'll call it crap if it's not I won't

 

Neil

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It was intended to have an armed citizenry so

that if the government became tyrannical it

could be deposed and replaced.  Self

defense, hunting etc was secondary.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival

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*** The whole gun control thing, the whole "skinhead" thing, and the whole "Mod" thing has been beaten to death... What's one more subject being ground into the ground? ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/09 12:30:32 AM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

 

Let's not flog a dead horse.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:04:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

No I tell it as I see it mate. So if something's crap I'll call it crap if it's not I won't

 

Neil

 

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Why are you threaten to ban me?

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:47:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Why are you calling me names?

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And while we're on the subject

can we drop the subject.  Whenever

this sort of politically charged off topic

banter comes up it goes on far too long

well past any useful sort of discourse,

invariably.

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:47:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Why are you calling me names?

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I'm not - I'm saying I CAN.

You said I can't - I corrected you. I can and I choose not to, fuck-
knuckle!

Stop being a cry baby! ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Why are you threaten to ban me?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:47:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Why are you calling me names?
>
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How the fuck would you know that idiot?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> No, the truth is it's far better to have one and not need it
> than it is to need one and not have it.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival, aside from
gang
> members--even here in the United States.
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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>

Yeah - the people making all the money from weapon sales would be
powerless to stop that! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> If the majority felt that way
> then the Constitution would
> have been amended by now.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> And I think you'll find that
> the vast majority of us feel that way as well
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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>

and PHEW! lucky that 'eh?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> It was intended to have an armed citizenry so
> that if the government became tyrannical it
> could be deposed and replaced. Self
> defense, hunting etc was secondary.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:22:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
> In truth, no one in America needs a gun for survival
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
just 2 easy
> steps!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?
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> %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>

Time lines!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> *** The whole gun control thing, the whole "skinhead" thing, and
the whole
> "Mod" thing has been beaten to death... What's one more subject
being ground
> into the ground? ***
>
>
> In a message dated 2/23/09 12:30:32 AM Central Standard Time,
TZer0@...
> writes:
>
>
> Let's not flog a dead horse.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:04:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> ntfoster@... writes:
>
> No I tell it as I see it mate. So if something's crap I'll call it
crap if
> it's not I won't
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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> steps!
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>

Sure - let's drop it then...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> And while we're on the subject
> can we drop the subject. Whenever
> this sort of politically charged off topic
> banter comes up it goes on far too long
> well past any useful sort of discourse,
> invariably.
>
>
> In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:47:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Why are you calling me names?
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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>

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*** Well, if Timelines "are" being beaten into the ground (which they're not being discussed at all right now), at least they're APES related... I like seeing this group active, but deleting 35 of 50 posts, and then finding even some of the undeleted posts should have been, is totally F'd! I'm really sick of this sh*t, enough to quit. ***

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/09 12:42:17 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Time lines!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> 
> *** The whole gun control thing, the whole "skinhead" thing, and 
the whole
> "Mod" thing has been beaten to death... What's one more subject
being  ground
> into the ground? ***
> 

 

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Shit! Lucky you don't have a gun! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
>
> *** Well, if Timelines "are" being beaten into the ground (which
they're not
> being discussed at all right now), at least they're APES
related... I like
> seeing this group active, but deleting 35 of 50 posts, and then
finding even
> some of the undeleted posts should have been, is totally F'd! I'm
really sick
> of this sh*t, enough to quit. ***
>
>
> In a message dated 2/23/09 12:42:17 AM Central Standard Time,
> sallywhitty@... writes:
>
> Time lines!
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > *** The whole gun control thing, the whole "skinhead" thing,
and
> the whole
> > "Mod" thing has been beaten to death... What's one more subject
> being ground
> > into the ground? ***
> >
>
>
>
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I thought she was taken on the mission to do the cooking and washing
up and make the beds do the ironing plus any other domestic chores..
Shows how wrong i was,
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Yes ANSA could very well have had different duties for women, it's a
> fictional organisation they can do anything they want, they do not
have
> to automatically follow the way NASA worked back then.
> And Stewart could have had any role, you can not say that her only
> reason for being on the crew was to be a 'breeder' just from that
line
> spoken by Taylor. At least she would have enjoyed her training if
that
> was her only role though.
>
> I always thought Landon called him 'skipper' because that was his
> nickname from back in their college days when they played on the
same
> football team.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
>
>
>
> Well, you seem to think that ANSA might've had different "duties"
for
> women, as opposed to NASA, which was an all-male show as far as
their
> roster of astronauts goes. My point was that the make-up of the 4-
> person crew depicted in PLANET -- ignoring the sequels for the
> moment -- has a definite power structure related to the PURPOSE of
> the colonization mission:
>
> 1. Taylor is the COMMANDER [Landon calls him "Skipper"]
> 2. Landon is the PILOT ["Golden Boy" i.e. Top-Gun-type]
> 3. Dodge is the SCIENTIST [who would walk naked into a volcano, etc]
> 4. Stewart is the BREEDER [Taylor calls her the "New Eve"]
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=51928/stime=1235347346/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=5349275>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] No sir, I don't like it!

 

Let's not flog a dead horse.

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:04:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

No I tell it as I see it mate. So if something's crap I'll call it crap if it's not I won't

 

Neil

.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Grand Torino *****SPOILER ALERT ******

 

Why are you threaten to ban me?

 

 

In a message dated 2/22/2009 10:47:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

Why are you calling me names?

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>Posted by: " TZer0@..." TZer0@... LordTZer0
>Let's not flog a dead horse.

Well, it's a lot safer than flogging a live one.

>Posted by: "mlccougar@..." mlccougar@... mlccougar
>The buses weren't a reference to race relations--they were scavenged
>vehicles that held a lot of people. That's all there was to it, and
>anyone with any
>sense at the time knew it.
>*** Thank you! Knowing the good sense you have makes me think I might just
>have to buy your book ;) ***

LOL!

Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@... juswannaknit

>Mary Mother of God!! That is freakingly fugly....holy
>moly....Jeeeezussssss.......
>I'm going to have nightmares now...

Yeah, that was a truly disturbing image!

Jess,   Your Zira is excellent! --- On Mon, 2/23/09, TZer0@... <TZer0@...> wrote: From: TZer0@... <TZer0@...> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Re: My Sideshow Zira!! To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 1:25 AM   A masterful job!     In a message dated 2/22/2009 6:21:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@ gmail.com writes: Here she is...she is finally done!  This is my rehaired and repainted Sideshow Zira.  Enjoy!!   http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5779-1.jpg   http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5776.jpg   http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5787.jpg   Jess.   PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first movie and Escape...since he looks so very different in both.  And, you can never have too many apes.  (At least I can never have too many). On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@aol. com> wrote: "Dear Jessica, He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if ever smiled in POTA 67. Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will definitely want one (Rebel ape?) John" They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he looked in ESCAPE. -- Rory A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!

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Long story.  Already told it.

Want to read it again?  Go

back to the archives and look it up.

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/2009 12:39:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

How the fuck would you know that idiot?

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If that's what everyone wants.

Sure, I'm game.  Put it to a vote.

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/2009 2:16:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

So you're not going to enlighten us after all then, what a surprise.

 

Neil

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Or, better still, do your own research.

And use an impartial source. Then

you won't be able to say it's from

the NRA or the BBC etc . . .

Then decide for yourself.

 

"You've got to use your heads and start thinking"

 

   ~~~Sal Mineo as Dr. Milo in Escapes from the Planet of the Apes"~~~~

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/2009 2:16:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

So you're not going to enlighten us after all then, what a surprise.

 

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] No sir, I don't like it!

 

Or, better still, do your own research.

And use an impartial source. Then

you won't be able to say it's from

the NRA or the BBC etc . . .

Then decide for yourself.

 

"You've got to use your heads and start thinking"

 

   ~~~Sal Mineo as Dr. Milo in Escapes from the Planet of the Apes"~~~~

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/23/2009 2:16:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

So you're not going to enlighten us after all then, what a surprise.

 

Neil

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Awesome Jessica!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:20 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Re: My Sideshow Zira!!

> Here she is...she is finally done! This is my rehaired and repainted
> Sideshow Zira. Enjoy!!
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5779-
> 1.jpg
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5776.jpg
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5787.jpg
>
> Jess.
>
> PS...I'm going to re-do the Sideshow Cornelius from both the first
> movie and
> Escape...since he looks so very different in both. And, you can
> never have
> too many apes. (At least I can never have too many).
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> > "Dear Jessica,
> >
> > He always looked kinder and more gentle in escape. He very rarely if
> > ever smiled in POTA 67.
> > Hope these are of help. I look forward to your Cornelius as I will
> > definitely want one (Rebel ape?)
> >
> > John"
> >
> > They definitely modeled the Mego Cornelius after the way he
> looked in
> > ESCAPE.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
>

For those interested, or who had trouble using the Lulu ordering system...

http://www.amazon.com/Timeline-Planet-Apes-Definitive-Chronology/dp/061525392X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235330213&sr=8-3

Enjoy!

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/timelinehumor.html"

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Thanks--that's what I'm hoping.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Good news Rich - this will give the book more exposure and it

deserves that!

>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> rassmguy
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 1:53 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Timeline of the Planet of the Apes--now available on
> Amazon.com
>
>
>
> For those interested, or who had trouble using the Lulu ordering

system...

>
> http://www.amazon
>

<http://www.amazon.com/Timeline-Planet-Apes-Definitive-Chronology/dp/0615253

> 92X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235330213&sr=8-3>
>

com/Timeline-Planet-Apes-Definitive-Chronology/dp/061525392X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=U

> TF8&s=books&qid=1235330213&sr=8-3
>

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'Shielas on the Planet of the Apes'? Now there's an idea for a comic!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...>
wrote:

>
> Horny Aussie Bitches from ANSA (All Naughty Sex Academy).
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > *** And, how do we know that the ship that arrived twn years
> before
> > Burke/Virdon/Jones wasn't crewed entirely by women? Maybe even
> Australian women,
> > right Whitty? ****
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/22/09 3:32:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> > ntfoster@ writes:
> >
> > And this is relevant because?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf Of
> > patrickmichaeltilton
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72
> >
> >
> >
> > There wasn't a woman in the BENEATH ship, serving with Brent

under

> Maddox,
> > was there? There wasn't a woman along in the ship Virdon
> commanded.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in
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http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-Examiner~y2009m2d23-
Partisanship-run-amok-The-Oscars-put-political-agenda-ahead-of-
artistic-meritagain


Silence from the auditorium when Charlton Heston's image was shown
during the video montage of those no longer with us.

The other two might be quibbles but this moment was downright
shameful.

During the video of images from those within the movie industry that
have died the previous year, the crowd clapped politely for each
person. Some, who were more famous (i.e. Roy Schneider, Harold
Pinter, Ricardo Montalbán, etc.) had an extended clip and drew more
applause from the Kodak Theatre. Makes sense. But when Heston's image
appeared, complete with clips from notable features like The Ten
Commandments and Planet of the Apes, the entire auditorium was
silent. You could hear a pin drop or Ben Lyons asking inane
questions. Then when the next image appeared, applause magically
reappeared.

Heston, who was an outspoken advocate of gun-rights and president of
the NRA, was notoriously despised by the Hollywood community. He was
also the victim of a hit-and-run journo-assault from Michael Moore in
Bowling for Columbine. Needless to say, the man wasn't exactly loved
by his colleagues.

The man has earned respect. An icon within the industry, his death
was barely noted in the mainstream press. Hey, that's cool, the press
is probably a different matter anyway, but to be disrespected in that
fashion in a moment where those in the industry are supposed to honor
those who are no longer with is was disgusting. H-town, you can
disagree with the man all you want, (in fact I do for most issues)
but give the man the credit that he has earned and is owed. He was in
Soylent Green, people! SOYLENT GREEN! It doesn't get much better than
that.

I would have stood up and applauded...until Cornelius would have made me sit down.

Makes me glad I don't watch this kind of stuff!!

Jess.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-Examiner~y2009m2d23-
Partisanship-run-amok-The-Oscars-put-political-agenda-ahead-of-
artistic-meritagain

Silence from the auditorium when Charlton Heston's image was shown
during the video montage of those no longer with us.

The other two might be quibbles but this moment was downright
shameful.

During the video of images from those within the movie industry that
have died the previous year, the crowd clapped politely for each
person. Some, who were more famous (i.e. Roy Schneider, Harold
Pinter, Ricardo Montalbán, etc.) had an extended clip and drew more
applause from the Kodak Theatre. Makes sense. But when Heston's image
appeared, complete with clips from notable features like The Ten
Commandments and Planet of the Apes, the entire auditorium was
silent. You could hear a pin drop or Ben Lyons asking inane
questions. Then when the next image appeared, applause magically
reappeared.

Heston, who was an outspoken advocate of gun-rights and president of
the NRA, was notoriously despised by the Hollywood community. He was
also the victim of a hit-and-run journo-assault from Michael Moore in
Bowling for Columbine. Needless to say, the man wasn't exactly loved
by his colleagues.

The man has earned respect. An icon within the industry, his death
was barely noted in the mainstream press. Hey, that's cool, the press
is probably a different matter anyway, but to be disrespected in that
fashion in a moment where those in the industry are supposed to honor
those who are no longer with is was disgusting. H-town, you can
disagree with the man all you want, (in fact I do for most issues)
but give the man the credit that he has earned and is owed. He was in
Soylent Green, people! SOYLENT GREEN! It doesn't get much better than
that.

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Brilliant response! :)


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
wrote:

>
> I would have stood up and applauded...until Cornelius would have

made me sit

> down.
>
> Makes me glad I don't watch this kind of stuff!!
>
> Jess.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Michael Whitty

<sallywhitty@...>wrote:

>
> > http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-

Examiner~y2009m2d23-<http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-
Examiner%7Ey2009m2d23->

> > Partisanship-run-amok-The-Oscars-put-political-agenda-ahead-of-
> > artistic-meritagain
> >
> > Silence from the auditorium when Charlton Heston's image was shown
> > during the video montage of those no longer with us.
> >
> > The other two might be quibbles but this moment was downright
> > shameful.
> >
> > During the video of images from those within the movie industry

that

> > have died the previous year, the crowd clapped politely for each
> > person. Some, who were more famous (i.e. Roy Schneider, Harold
> > Pinter, Ricardo Montalbán, etc.) had an extended clip and drew

more

> > applause from the Kodak Theatre. Makes sense. But when Heston's

image

> > appeared, complete with clips from notable features like The Ten
> > Commandments and Planet of the Apes, the entire auditorium was
> > silent. You could hear a pin drop or Ben Lyons asking inane
> > questions. Then when the next image appeared, applause magically
> > reappeared.
> >
> > Heston, who was an outspoken advocate of gun-rights and president

of

> > the NRA, was notoriously despised by the Hollywood community. He

was

> > also the victim of a hit-and-run journo-assault from Michael

Moore in

> > Bowling for Columbine. Needless to say, the man wasn't exactly

loved

> > by his colleagues.
> >
> > The man has earned respect. An icon within the industry, his death
> > was barely noted in the mainstream press. Hey, that's cool, the

press

> > is probably a different matter anyway, but to be disrespected in

that

> > fashion in a moment where those in the industry are supposed to

honor

> > those who are no longer with is was disgusting. H-town, you can
> > disagree with the man all you want, (in fact I do for most issues)
> > but give the man the credit that he has earned and is owed. He

was in

> > Soylent Green, people! SOYLENT GREEN! It doesn't get much better

than

> > that.
> >
> >
> >
>

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I DIDN'T WATCH THE OSCARS, I NEVER DO.
ITS A BIT LIKE THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST.
FIXED AND POLITICAL, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY FILMS , ACTORS,
DIRECTORS,SPECIAL EFFECTS AND EVERY OTHER DEPARTNMENT WHICH IS
NOMINATED FOR THESE AWARDS .
WHICH IN GENERAL DONE GET IT RIGHT, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY YEARS WHERE
THE BIGGEST BOX OFFICE SUCCESS, BEST ACTING, AND IT STILL GOES TO A
FILM THAT HAD AVERAGE RATINGS AND THE ACTING NOT ALWAYS THE BEST.
THE ONLY THING THESE AWARDS DO IS MAKE THE ACTORS, DIRECTORS ECT
DEMAND A HIGHER PAY PACKET ON THERE NEXT FILM.
IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE ABOUT CHARLTON HESTON THEN THOSE ( THE POWERS
THAT BE ) SHOULD GO HOME AND SLIT THERE WHRISTS OUT OF DISROSPECT
FOR A TRUE MOVIE STAR.
I DID HEAR HEATH LEDGER GOT AN AWARD WHICH WAS GOOD FOR HIS ROLL IN
BATMAN, FANTASTIC PERFORMANCE, BUT WOULD HE HAVE GOT AN AWARD IF HE
DIDN'T DIE???
PERSONALLY THE BEST WAY OF TELLING IF A FILM IS GOOD OR A ACTORS
GREAT IN A ROLL, IS JUDGE FOR YOUR SELF NOT THOSE ARSEHOLES WHO THINK
THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
MAKEING A FILM DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD JUDGE OF OWE THE GENERAL
PUBLIC SEE IT.
MARK -- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-Examiner~y2009m2d23-
> Partisanship-run-amok-The-Oscars-put-political-agenda-ahead-of-
> artistic-meritagain
>
>
> Silence from the auditorium when Charlton Heston's image was shown
> during the video montage of those no longer with us.
>
> The other two might be quibbles but this moment was downright
> shameful.
>
> During the video of images from those within the movie industry

that

> have died the previous year, the crowd clapped politely for each
> person. Some, who were more famous (i.e. Roy Schneider, Harold
> Pinter, Ricardo Montalbán, etc.) had an extended clip and drew more
> applause from the Kodak Theatre. Makes sense. But when Heston's

image

> appeared, complete with clips from notable features like The Ten
> Commandments and Planet of the Apes, the entire auditorium was
> silent. You could hear a pin drop or Ben Lyons asking inane
> questions. Then when the next image appeared, applause magically
> reappeared.
>
> Heston, who was an outspoken advocate of gun-rights and president

of

> the NRA, was notoriously despised by the Hollywood community. He

was

> also the victim of a hit-and-run journo-assault from Michael Moore

in

> Bowling for Columbine. Needless to say, the man wasn't exactly

loved

> by his colleagues.
>
> The man has earned respect. An icon within the industry, his death
> was barely noted in the mainstream press. Hey, that's cool, the

press

> is probably a different matter anyway, but to be disrespected in

that

> fashion in a moment where those in the industry are supposed to

honor

> those who are no longer with is was disgusting. H-town, you can
> disagree with the man all you want, (in fact I do for most issues)
> but give the man the credit that he has earned and is owed. He was

in

> Soylent Green, people! SOYLENT GREEN! It doesn't get much better

than

> that.
>

She can sew a mean stitch...
She can transform herself into an ape with makeup...
She can sculpt and carve her own action figures...
and now she has shown us that she can deliver a punch line better than
any standup...

is there anything Jessica can't do? :)

Seriously, I was a bit surprised by the near relative silence during the
ceremony when Chuck name came up. Usually hollywood is a bit more
forgiving to the departed.

I was also a bit surprised but very happy to see that Leonard Rosenman
was honored. I assumed that he was not as big a name and would not be
mentioned. I was also sad seeing Montalban and Whitmore.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Making all those posts relevant....

> I would have stood up and applauded...until Cornelius would have
> made me sit
> down.
>
> Makes me glad I don't watch this kind of stuff!!
>
> Jess.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Michael Whitty
> <sallywhitty@...>wrote:
> > http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-
> Examiner~y2009m2d23-<http://www.examiner.com/x-2239-Denver-Movies-
> Examiner%7Ey2009m2d23->
> > Partisanship-run-amok-The-Oscars-put-political-agenda-ahead-of-
> > artistic-meritagain
> >
> > Silence from the auditorium when Charlton Heston's image was shown
> > during the video montage of those no longer with us.
> >
> > The other two might be quibbles but this moment was downright
> > shameful.
> >
> > During the video of images from those within the movie industry that
> > have died the previous year, the crowd clapped politely for each
> > person. Some, who were more famous (i.e. Roy Schneider, Harold
> > Pinter, Ricardo Montalbán, etc.) had an extended clip and drew more
> > applause from the Kodak Theatre. Makes sense. But when Heston's
> image> appeared, complete with clips from notable features like The
> Ten> Commandments and Planet of the Apes, the entire auditorium was
> > silent. You could hear a pin drop or Ben Lyons asking inane
> > questions. Then when the next image appeared, applause magically
> > reappeared.
> >
> > Heston, who was an outspoken advocate of gun-rights and president of
> > the NRA, was notoriously despised by the Hollywood community. He was
> > also the victim of a hit-and-run journo-assault from Michael
> Moore in
> > Bowling for Columbine. Needless to say, the man wasn't exactly loved
> > by his colleagues.
> >
> > The man has earned respect. An icon within the industry, his death
> > was barely noted in the mainstream press. Hey, that's cool, the
> press> is probably a different matter anyway, but to be
> disrespected in that
> > fashion in a moment where those in the industry are supposed to
> honor> those who are no longer with is was disgusting. H-town, you can
> > disagree with the man all you want, (in fact I do for most issues)
> > but give the man the credit that he has earned and is owed. He
> was in
> > Soylent Green, people! SOYLENT GREEN! It doesn't get much better
> than> that.
> >
> >
> >
>