Top marks Jess, everything looked great. I hope you used that pencil
and notepad after all! Did you meet many Apes fans there? Also, was
there any video footage taken?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
wrote:

>
> I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken

of me.

> It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
> everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now,

and a b-day

> party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed

puttingon the

> makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable

mention at

> the costume contest, though!
>
> I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a

big hug

> and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
>
>

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jp
g

>

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jp
g

>

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jp
g

>
> Jess.
>

come on there must be worse films that have been made that are worse
than romeo and juliet, what about jaws 3, the blob ( remake ) the fog
( remake ) thats just a few and dont forget a lot of this discussion
group think planet of the apes 2001 ?
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> Common sense! My wife made me go to see his 'Romeo and Juliet' and
I
> hated it. Hands-down the worst film I've paid money to see.
>
> ...unless you're being sarcastic and he's a national hero??
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I have not seen the movie yet - I think Baz Lurhman is overrated!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bloody silly pansy rubbish! :-)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf Of
> > Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 7:08 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rich Handley's TIMELINE OF THE APES -
> important
> > observation.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is what "Australia" the movie SHOULD have been about instead
> of crappy
> > "Pearl Harbor"-esque crap
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@>
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 4:04:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Rich Handley's TIMELINE OF THE APES -
> important
> > observation.
> >
> > We do joke about the fact that the colony was settled mainly by
> convicts,
> > but keep in mind they were mainly the starving who stole a loaf
of
> bread to
> > feed their families!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, nlmoxham <neilmoxham@... > wrote:

Top marks Jess, everything looked great. I hope you used that pencil
and notepad after all! Did you meet many Apes fans there? Also, was
there any video footage taken?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
wrote:
>

> I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken
of me.
> It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
> everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now,
and a b-day
> party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed
puttingon the
> makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable
mention at
> the costume contest, though!
>
> I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a
big hug
> and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
>
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jp
g
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jp
g
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jp
g
>

> Jess.
>

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I saw one of the pics of you. I only have one other suggestion.

If you're having to rework the costume because of the glue

I would put some more, not really sure of the sewing term,

but I think they're called darts, in the collar. See below.

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Nope, not even POTA2001 was as bad as that. I just found it horrible
and irritating from start to finish and wanted to throw things at the
screen to make it stop. But I couldn't. And I couldn't walk out
either, I had to stay to the bitter end.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@...> wrote:
>
> come on there must be worse films that have been made that are
worse
> than romeo and juliet, what about jaws 3, the blob ( remake ) the
fog
> ( remake ) thats just a few and dont forget a lot of this
discussion
> group think planet of the apes 2001 ?
> Mark
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> >
> > Common sense! My wife made me go to see his 'Romeo and Juliet'
and
> I
> > hated it. Hands-down the worst film I've paid money to see.
> >
> > ...unless you're being sarcastic and he's a national hero??
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> > <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have not seen the movie yet - I think Baz Lurhman is
overrated!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bloody silly pansy rubbish! :-)
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > Tim "apefan"
> > > Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 7:08 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rich Handley's TIMELINE OF THE APES -
> > important
> > > observation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is what "Australia" the movie SHOULD have been about
instead
> > of crappy
> > > "Pearl Harbor"-esque crap
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@>
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 4:04:47 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Rich Handley's TIMELINE OF THE APES -
> > important
> > > observation.
> > >
> > > We do joke about the fact that the colony was settled mainly by
> > convicts,
> > > but keep in mind they were mainly the starving who stole a loaf
> of
> > bread to
> > > feed their families!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> >
>

>Posted by: "Michael & Sally Whitty" sallywhitty@... mike_oz2002
>I finally have my copy of Rich's fantastic book in my hands.
>Rich - it has surely been worth the wait!

Thanks, Mike! I'm glad it arrived, and that you're enjoying it.

>I'll start a few threads on it soon but first I want to know who else in the
>group has the book? Hands up please! :-)

I do!

>It's very important to me that you actually mentioned me (albeit typically
>last in alphabetic order!!!) :-) in your book.

Heh heh--yeah, sorry, I didn't want to play favorites with the
thank-yous, so I went alphabetical.

>This must have taken some balls because it is evident that the DG is shunned
>and certain people go out of their way NOT to mention the DG.

To tell you the truth, I didn't even think of it in those terms. You
guys have been just as great about promoting the book as the POTA
group has been, and both groups have contributed heavily to fandom,
so there was no reason not to acknowledge both groups.

>Posted by: "John" DrZaiusDavis@... drzaiusdavis
>I've had mine for a while now & don't think I'll ever have it read
>cover to cover,

Heh! Yeah, I've heard that reaction to it a couple of times, as it's
a pretty big book. :) The Amazon version is a bit smaller, by the
way, as Amazon's CreateSpace printing program has different specs than Lulu.

>but its fantastic for grabbing & reading a few items
>whenever I need a quick apes fix & I'm sure I'll find lot's of facts
>I didn't know.

Thanks, John.

>Posted by: "dave ballard" smugster2000@... smugster2000
>I too am the very proud owner of a copy. Rich's book is living
>,breathing*, proof that something of exceptional quality can still
>come out of the Apes franchise and that there's still life in the
>old girl yet! If there were such thing as, the annual POTA award,
>Rich get's my vote.

Shucks, man! Is the reward monetary?

I'm avoiding the rest of the thread since it transformed into an
argument about gun rights and stereotyping by country, which I'm
pretty sure I didn't cover in the book. <grin>

Interesting. So what was removed? Or did you have to edit bits and
pieces throughout so that all the sections and chapters are still
there, but a little slimmer in content? Completists will want both!

Dario

From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3735

> Heh! Yeah, I've heard that reaction to it a couple of times, as
> it's a pretty big book. :) The Amazon version is a bit smaller, by
> the way, as Amazon's CreateSpace printing program has different

specs

> than Lulu.
>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, nlmoxham <neilmoxham@... > wrote:

Top marks Jess, everything looked great. I hope you used that pencil
and notepad after all! Did you meet many Apes fans there? Also, was
there any video footage taken?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
wrote:
>

> I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken
of me.
> It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
> everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now,
and a b-day
> party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed
puttingon the
> makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable
mention at
> the costume contest, though!
>
> I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a
big hug
> and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
>
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jp
g
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jp
g
>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jp
g
>

> Jess.
>

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Oh, not to worry--nothing was removed! In fact, the Amazon version
has something the Lulu edition does not--a tab system along the
outside edge of the pages, to make it easy for readers to find the
sections they want to read. (We didn't think to do that until after
seeing just how damn HUGE the Lulu book was, but we added it for the
Amazon version...which is kind of ironic, now that I think about it,
given that the Amazon version is smallre.)

But otherwise, the content is the same. The width and height of the
book are just a bit smaller, but we thankfully lost nothing in the
translation. Kind of annoying, really, that Lulu and Amazon didn't
have compatible printing specs. We hadn't intended to have two
versions of the book floating around out there.

Wait, come to think of it, there IS one other thing that changed. We
realized, while resizing the book for Amazon, that one of the cover
images was wrong, so we corrected it. I'll let ya'll figure out which
one it was, though. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> Interesting. So what was removed? Or did you have to edit bits and
> pieces throughout so that all the sections and chapters are still
> there, but a little slimmer in content? Completists will want both!
>
> Dario
>
> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 2:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3735
> > Heh! Yeah, I've heard that reaction to it a couple of times, as
> > it's a pretty big book. :) The Amazon version is a bit smaller, by
> > the way, as Amazon's CreateSpace printing program has different
> specs
> > than Lulu.
> >
>

I have a feeling Caesar will spark a resurgence of Apes lore, if only
for a limited period of time, as the Burton version did. So
yeah...another edition is inevitable.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> Methinks there will be at LEAST 5 updates in one's lifetime!
> Bit like the PINK FLOYD ENCYCLOPAEDIA..always being added to!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of

> Dario Sciola
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 5:44 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Timeline - Amazon version
>
> Completists will want both!
>
> Dario
>

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On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

Yeah I'd be using the gloves too I think!

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 2:02 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009

The costume has those darts. You can't tell because of the lighting, and the fabric is very dark. It has to have those darts for the collar to lay properly. It's got the same number as on the pictures.

My skin feels ok. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. The costume was not claustrophobic. Next time I will buy those tatoo inks so I don't have to rework my hands. My hands still have grease paint in the creases...I've tried everything to remove them. It doesn't bother me--they just look dirty. No wonder Apemania people wear gloves. Removing grease makeup is tough.

Jess.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:53 AM, <TZer0@...> wrote:

I saw one of the pics of you. I only have one other suggestion.

If you're having to rework the costume because of the glue

I would put some more, not really sure of the sewing term,

but I think they're called darts, in the collar. See below.

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Kim had a "hump" included in her costume that she wore on her

shoulders under the dress under the jacket and every thing was

cut to accommodate that.  Paula Crist gave a demonstration of

that in her interview, showing that if she stood upright it wouldn't

hang right on her.  Also, wig tying?  Wow!  You are dedicated!

You'll need a lot of top quality Asian hair.  It ain't cheap.  But

think of all the money you'll save on labor.  You'll be doing your

own prosthetics next.  I vote Jess take Apemania's Zira's place!

 

 

In a message dated 3/2/2009 2:43:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Yes, the notepad was handy.  I was able to scribble some contacts that I promised to send photos to. 

 

I'm going to rework the costume (move the shoulder seam up, shorten the sleeves a bit, reweave the inner sleeve with a finer yarn...and I'm going to weave my own wig.  I've got a year to do this, and I'm crazy enough to do it.

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On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:22 PM, <TZer0@...> wrote:

Kim had a "hump" included in her costume that she wore on her

shoulders under the dress under the jacket and every thing was

cut to accommodate that. Paula Crist gave a demonstration of

that in her interview, showing that if she stood upright it wouldn't

hang right on her. Also, wig tying? Wow! You are dedicated!

You'll need a lot of top quality Asian hair. It ain't cheap. But

think of all the money you'll save on labor. You'll be doing your

own prosthetics next. I vote Jess take Apemania's Zira's place!

In a message dated 3/2/2009 2:43:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Yes, the notepad was handy. I was able to scribble some contacts that I promised to send photos to.

I'm going to rework the costume (move the shoulder seam up, shorten the sleeves a bit, reweave the inner sleeve with a finer yarn...and I'm going to weave my own wig. I've got a year to do this, and I'm crazy enough to do it.

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Where are all of the new threads you were going to start regarding Rich's book?

 

All the crap has settled so we're ready for your new posts, get crackin'. ;)

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At 07:58 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote:

>Rich, just wondering if you can tell us how you came to conclude that it's
>President Trundy up the nose in TERROR?

He was the president in office at the time the war took place. It
doesn't seem likely to me that it could be anyone else, as there
wouldn't have been any more elections post-war.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> It must have been difficult to draw the line on what to include and

what not to include.

It was more work than I care to go through again...which, of course,
means I'm an idiot, given that I'll likely do it again for another
universe.

> Did you have to take a lot of baths while you were writing it when

the BURTON movie came up? :-)

LOL--yeah, pretty much. Here's the thing about the Burton film--the
main contradiction it has is in the opening scenes on the station.
That Earth isn't a post-war irradiated zone is a huge discrepancy.
Otherwise, the vast bulk of it takes place on another planet, which
can be excused (especially since the books and comics based on that
film were actually quite good). So I debated whether to include it
for some time, then ultimately decided to throw it in, BUT to include
a lot of notes pointing out where continuity falls apart.

Yeah, that's another thing that is difficult to reconcile. I'm a big
fan of the TV show, and am willing to overlook a lot of problems
because I enjoy it so much. People comment on the dog in the first
episode, but that's never bothered me--it's easy to assume a few dogs
survived the plague. The big problem lies in Virdon and Burke being
surprised by the idea of talking apes. It would have been very
difficult for the government to claim Cornelius and Zira were a hoax,
given that it was the government would paraded them around like
celebrities. And you bring up another problem--why Virdon would
abandon his family. Landon apparently did the same thing, given the
short ANSA film. I guess astronauts don't necessarily have a lot of
common sense (given that nutjob from a few years ago, who drove across
the United States in a diaper so she could kill a fellow astronaut,
maybe there's some truth to that statement).



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@...> wrote:

> I'm trying to make sense of this one too..Patrick might chime in?
> If Burke and Virdon left when you say they did, then how come they

were surprised that there's talking apes?

> Would they not have seen Cornelius and Zira on the news?
> And Hasslein's theory by then was no longer a theory, but a FACT!

So how come Virdon volunteered to never see his family again?

Didn't Ty say something about that at the time Revolution came out?
About wanting to directly reference 'Terror', but deciding against it
in the end.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> At 07:58 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote:
> >Rich, just wondering if you can tell us how you came to conclude
that it's
> >President Trundy up the nose in TERROR?
>
> He was the president in office at the time the war took place. It
> doesn't seem likely to me that it could be anyone else, as there
> wouldn't have been any more elections post-war.
>

Have you noticed that during the episode escape from tomorrow when
virdon and burke left the spaceship they took a mini disc ( way
before mini discs where even available by about 20 years if not
longer.
Talk about forward thinking???
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's another thing that is difficult to reconcile. I'm a big
> fan of the TV show, and am willing to overlook a lot of problems
> because I enjoy it so much. People comment on the dog in the first
> episode, but that's never bothered me--it's easy to assume a few
dogs
> survived the plague. The big problem lies in Virdon and Burke being
> surprised by the idea of talking apes. It would have been very
> difficult for the government to claim Cornelius and Zira were a
hoax,
> given that it was the government would paraded them around like
> celebrities. And you bring up another problem--why Virdon would
> abandon his family. Landon apparently did the same thing, given the
> short ANSA film. I guess astronauts don't necessarily have a lot of
> common sense (given that nutjob from a few years ago, who drove
across
> the United States in a diaper so she could kill a fellow astronaut,
> maybe there's some truth to that statement).
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > I'm trying to make sense of this one too..Patrick might chime in?
> > If Burke and Virdon left when you say they did, then how come they
> were surprised that there's talking apes?
> > Would they not have seen Cornelius and Zira on the news?
> > And Hasslein's theory by then was no longer a theory, but a FACT!
> So how come Virdon volunteered to never see his family again?
>

Ty, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but without checking my notes,
the way I recall it is that the scene was intended for inclusion but
had to be cut due to space constraints.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "nlmoxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
> Didn't Ty say something about that at the time Revolution came out?
> About wanting to directly reference 'Terror', but deciding against it
> in the end.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > At 07:58 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote:
> > >Rich, just wondering if you can tell us how you came to conclude
> that it's
> > >President Trundy up the nose in TERROR?
> >
> > He was the president in office at the time the war took place. It
> > doesn't seem likely to me that it could be anyone else, as there
> > wouldn't have been any more elections post-war.
> >
>

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In a message dated 3/3/09 7:24:22 AM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

If Burke and Virdon left when you say they did, then how come they were surprised that there's talking apes?

Would they not have seen Cornelius and Zira on the news?

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Handley
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3739

At 07:58 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote:
>Rich, just wondering if you can tell us how you came to conclude that it's
>President Trundy up the nose in TERROR?

He was the president in office at the time the war took place. It
doesn't seem likely to me that it could be anyone else, as there
wouldn't have been any more elections post-war.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:40 PM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
> It must have been difficult to draw the line on what to include and
what not to include.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
> It must have been difficult to draw the line on what to include and
what not to include.

It was more work than I care to go through again...which, of course,
means I'm an idiot, given that I'll likely do it again for another
universe.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

But the CAT AND DOG PLAGUE is mentioned by Cornelius and in Conquest so it’s a difficult one….

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> But isn't that then a case of you tying things together which wasn't
> meant to be the case with this book?

I was tying everything together with the book.

> Just because a more recent story has given the president a name I

don't think that gives you the right to decide that a past story's
president should have the same name, especially since the writer of
the original story didn't name him.

I mentioned to Doug Moench that Ty Templeton had provided a name for
the president at the time of the war, and he thought that was rather
cool--he didn't have a problem with my combining the two, and it was
Ty's original intention to have it be the case before space
constraints ended up cutting that scene, so neither author was in
objection. In any case, there's no way the two presidents can be
different individuals--both were in office when the war took place.
Unless, of course, the United States of the POTA universe had a
power-sharing set-up...

> Does this mean that everything in Revolution is now cannon? Do we

now have to go with Conquest being set in San Diego as it was in those
comics?

You don't have to go with any of it if you don't want to. Besides,
"canon" is an issue I specifically didn't deal with in the book, as I
explained in the intro. It's a non-issue to me.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 3739

In any case, there's no way the two presidents can be
different individuals- -

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

But it means that UNcircular timeline you disagree with Neil….   J

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 3739

I was tying everything together with the book.

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*** As pointed out, there may have been a few small pockets of canines that survived... After all, in ESCAPE, Cornelius says "By the time the plague was contained" which could be taken to mean that they were able to stop it before it totally wiped out every canine and feline...

 

But the whole plague thing is stupid, if it affected domesticated canines and felines,  then surely it'd have to affect wolves, dingos, fox, lions, tigers, leopards, and so on... Being bears are actually related to dogs, are we to believe it did or didn't affect them too?

 

If there was a cat killing plague, then Caesar shouldn't have been so surprised anyway... I mean the circus cats that would have been around during his early life would have died, so Armando should have had to told him something about that earlier...

 

 

In a message dated 3/3/09 3:08:16 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Well that's how I explain it but that yapping dog?

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 5:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

 

*** Those guys left in the original timeline, not the second one (which started with the appearance of the apeonauts). ***

 

 

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>Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>Rich, I'm curious as to the significance of this entry - Between 3095
>and 3061: The sound of running water from a small brook running behind
>Galen's Central City home is often a source of comfort to the young
>chimpanzee.
>Why was this included?

Mostly because we have only ever been given a rare few glimpses at
Galen's childhood. Admittedly, it's not much of a glimpse, but since
it had been established, I thought I'd throw it in.

>Posted by: "Neil Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>But in our 'real world' animals we thought for years to be extinct have
>turned up alive and well so just because it was thought that all the
>cats and dogs were wiped out it's a possibility that a few may have
>survived somewhere, surely?

Exactly. That's how I've always looked at it as well.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

Thanks Ty.

This explains a lot!

From: Ty Templeton
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 7:35 AM
To: Michael & Sally Whitty
Subject: Re: Calling Ty Templeton... ..

My recollection is that we wanted to subtly suggest it's Trundy up the nose in "Terror"....it was either him or the Vice President we sent off in a helicopter when we bugged out of Washington, I don't have the issue in front of me.  But yes, it was a nod to "terror" when we wrote the scene.

Ty

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty wrote:

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

If there was a cat killing plague, then Caesar shouldn't have been so surprised anyway... I mean the circus cats that would have been around during his early life would have died, so Armando should have had to told him something about that earlier...

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Have to? Not at all--this is fiction, after all, not a federal mandate. <grin>

I tend to view canonicity as a non-issue. Those who accept the TV show are free to do so. Those who don't are free not to. Those who accept Revolution are free to. Those who don't are free not to. Those who accept only the first film are free to. Those who accept the sequels are free to as well. And so forth.

My book certainly doesn't change any of that--I'm just not that powerful or influencial an individual--but rather indicates when every event in every story is said to occur (or when I extrapolate it to occur, if that event is undated) and lets readers decide what to accept in their own personal canon, and what not to accept.

If a fact or event is in my book but a reader doesn't accept that story, or that particular notion, then he or she is free to discard it. Those elements one doesn't agree with can be ignored, without having to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Fans of Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes, James Bond, Star Wars, Star Trek and other shared universes often take this stance--if something doesn't fit, then rather than having to discard the entire story containing it, simply assume the story happened, but that the storyteller got a detail or two wrong.

For Revolution, that detail would be San Diego. But the rest of Revolution is so damn good that, for me, ignoring it would be a real shame. Same goes for the Marvel run. Sure, Marvel contains Apeslayer, android gorillas and an inaccurate telling of Battle for the Planet of the Apes. But does that mean we should discard all of Marvel? Some might say it does, but I'd say no--because so many other Marvel tales are gold: Evolution's Nightmare, Quest for the Planet of the Apes, the early chapters of Terror on the Planet of the Apes, Future History Chronicles and so forth.

Then there's the Adventure Comics line, for which I'm in the majority since I'm a fan of that series as well. Sure, it had its share of clunkers--a lot of weak artwork, the inane Frito and JoJo duo, seance-conjured incarnations of Caesar and Breck, and so forth. But it also had Urchak's Folly, Sins of the Father, Blood of the Apes, a wonderful tie-in (issue #19) to Caesar's revolution, and a backstory for the "mama" doll from the first film. If we throw out the bad elements of the Adventure line, then we lose those as well, and some of those--particularly Urchak and Sins--are among the best POTA stories ever told, in my opinion.

That's how I view all of Planet of the Apes. Heck, it's how I view the films themselves. One could make a strong case for disregarding all of the sequels since they get the date of the first film wrong, as well as several other established details, and because of the sheer absurdity of the apes acquiring language, culture and civilization in a single lifetime.

But that's where it helps to incorporate licensed tales such as Revolution, which help to explain those oddities and inconsistencies. Personally, I think the spinoff stories enhance the Apes universe a lot, and so they are part of my own little pocket view of the mythos. Leaving any of them out would have been a shame, in my opinion--and, ultimately, contrary to the whole point of the exercise, which was to be all-inclusive.

You are, of course, free to disagree, both as a fellow Apes fan with your own views of canonicity and quality control, and as a paying customer. As my 12-year-old daughter likes to say, it's all good.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
> But like I was saying if it was mentioned or noted in Revolution does
> that now mean we have to go with everything they came up with in that
> mini-series (and even stuff they left out it seems!) and and go back and
> look at previous comic stories differently and try to tie them together?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of Michael & Sally Whitty
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Ty.
>
> This explains a lot!
>
>
> From: Ty Templeton
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 7:35 AM
> To: Michael & Sally Whitty
> Subject: Re: Calling Ty Templeton.....
>
> My recollection is that we wanted to subtly suggest it's Trundy up the
> nose in "Terror"....it was either him or the Vice President we sent off
> in a helicopter when we bugged out of Washington, I don't have the issue
> in front of me. But yes, it was a nod to "terror" when we wrote the
> scene.
>
> Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=52178/stime=1236116265/nc1=3858795/nc2=3848621/nc3=5202323>
>

Yeah, that IS a great point--I wish I'd thought of it while writing the timeline.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Great point, never thought about that one before!
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of mlccougar@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even
> LESS sense!
>
>
> If there was a cat killing plague, then Caesar shouldn't have been so
> surprised anyway... I mean the circus cats that would have been around
> during his early life would have died, so Armando should have had to
> told him something about that earlier...
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=52177/stime=1236115497/nc1=3858793/nc2=3848621/nc3=5191954>
>

Gosh, no. No one has to do anything. We weren't trying to weave any grand tapestry together with what we were doing, we were only tossing things into the fruit salad, in an attempt to be entertaining, nothing more. As old fans of comix and Ape movies, we enjoyed tying things together here and there, but like Dehn and a few others, there was no sense of it all FITTING together, just that it entertained you while we juggled the balls a bit. If things don't fit, don't worry about them, and if fun can be had by fitting things together, then by all means enjoy that too.

But as far as I'm concerned, things only fit if you see 'em that way...including the later sequel films (which have their own continuity errors!).

Ty

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

But like I was saying if it was mentioned or noted in Revolution does that now mean we have to go with everything they came up with in that mini-series (and even stuff they left out it seems!) and and go back and look at previous comic stories differently and try to tie them together?

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

Thanks Ty.

This explains a lot!

From: Ty Templeton
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 7:35 AM
To: Michael & Sally Whitty
Subject: Re: Calling Ty Templeton.....

My recollection is that we wanted to subtly suggest it's Trundy up the nose in "Terror"....it was either him or the Vice President we sent off in a helicopter when we bugged out of Washington, I don't have the issue in front of me. But yes, it was a nod to "terror" when we wrote the scene.

Ty

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty wrote:

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And with that response, Ty completely showed me up by saying the same thing I did in about 1/8 as many words. Damn you, Templeton! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
> Gosh, no. No one has to do anything. We weren't trying to weave any grand
> tapestry together with what we were doing, we were only tossing things into
> the fruit salad, in an attempt to be entertaining, nothing more. As old
> fans of comix and Ape movies, we enjoyed tying things together here and
> there, but like Dehn and a few others, there was no sense of it all FITTING
> together, just that it entertained you while we juggled the balls a bit. If
> things don't fit, don't worry about them, and if fun can be had by fitting
> things together, then by all means enjoy that too.
>
> But as far as I'm concerned, things only fit if you see 'em that
> way...including the later sequel films (which have their own continuity
> errors!).
>
> Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> > But like I was saying if it was mentioned or noted in Revolution does
> > that now mean we have to go with everything they came up with in that
> > mini-series (and even stuff they left out it seems!) and and go back and
> > look at previous comic stories differently and try to tie them together?
> >
> > *Neil*
> > **
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] *On Behalf
> > Of *Michael & Sally Whitty
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:38 AM
> > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
> >
> > Thanks Ty.
> >
> > This explains a lot!
> >
> > *From:* Ty Templeton
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 March 2009 7:35 AM
> > *To:* Michael & Sally Whitty
> > *Subject:* Re: Calling Ty Templeton.....
> >
> > My recollection is that we wanted to subtly suggest it's Trundy up the nose
> > in "Terror"....it was either him or the Vice President we sent off in a
> > helicopter when we bugged out of Washington, I don't have the issue in front
> > of me. But yes, it was a nod to "terror" when we wrote the scene.
> >
> > Ty
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> I would guess you changed the A & O Bomb to the correct version?
> Or maybe making the Statue of Liberty more ruined and rusted, or even
> giving Taylor a correct 'Apes' gun maybe? ;-)
> (Just to make it clear:- I am not having a go at the cover painting, I personally think it is one of the best I've seen)

D'oh! <looks both ways, then runs>

Just returned from the premier of Watchmen, and aww, I wasn't disappointed. A long movie but it didn't feel like it, and slightly altered ending not-withstanding, it was a fantastic movie. Rorschach was a real highlight but I didn't realize til the end credits it was Jackie Earle Haley. He was genuinely great, now how about him for the new Apes movie? Seriously, what struck me was how great most of the cast were, though I hadn't heard of most of them. I wonder how distracting a 'star' would have been in the cast, and how necessary that is nowadays (regarding the cast rumours about 'Caesar').

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:53 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

 Marvel contains Apeslayer, android gorillas and an inaccurate telling of Battle for the Planet of the Apes.

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True--and it was done ineptly, since everyone kept calling him Killraven.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
> Personally I don't even consider Apeslayer an 'Apes' story at all , even
> if it was in a licensed comic. We all know it was Killraven with ape
> heads drawn over the originals and was only done for one reason - to
> fill up the UK comic.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:53 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
>
>
>
> Marvel contains Apeslayer, android gorillas and an inaccurate telling
> of Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
>
> <mailto:PotaDG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

Gosh, no.  No one has to do anything.  We weren't trying to weave any grand tapestry together with what we were doing, we were only tossing things into the fruit salad, in an attempt to be entertaining, nothing more.  As old fans of comix and Ape movies, we enjoyed tying things together here and there, but like Dehn and a few others, there was no sense of it all FITTING together, just that it entertained you while we juggled the balls a bit.  If things don't fit, don't worry about them, and if fun can be had by fitting things together, then by all means enjoy that too.

But as far as I'm concerned, things only fit if you see 'em that way...including the later sequel films (which have their own continuity errors!).

Ty

 

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Why not?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I still don't see the logic of saying that it was president Trundy in
> the Terror story as it wasn't the case when it was written so why, after
> being given that name in a new story, say that it was?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of Ty Templeton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
>
>
> Gosh, no. No one has to do anything. We weren't trying to weave any
> grand tapestry together with what we were doing, we were only tossing
> things into the fruit salad, in an attempt to be entertaining, nothing
> more. As old fans of comix and Ape movies, we enjoyed tying things
> together here and there, but like Dehn and a few others, there was no
> sense of it all FITTING together, just that it entertained you while we
> juggled the balls a bit. If things don't fit, don't worry about them,
> and if fun can be had by fitting things together, then by all means
> enjoy that too.
>
> But as far as I'm concerned, things only fit if you see 'em that
> way...including the later sequel films (which have their own continuity
> errors!).
>
> Ty
>
> <mailto:PotaDG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=52184/stime=1236120815/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5202322>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

Why not?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
>
> I still don't see the logic of saying that it was president Trundy in
> the Terror story as it wasn't the case when it was written so why, after
> being given that name in a new story, say that it was?

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Next edition - around the time the new movie is released! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that IS a great point--I wish I'd thought of it while writing the timeline.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Great point, never thought about that one before!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> > Of mlccougar@
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:25 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even
> > LESS sense!
> >
> >
> > If there was a cat killing plague, then Caesar shouldn't have been so
> > surprised anyway... I mean the circus cats that would have been around
> > during his early life would have died, so Armando should have had to
> > told him something about that earlier...
> > .
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> > sgId=52177/stime=1236115497/nc1=3858793/nc2=3848621/nc3=5191954>
> >
>

Jeez! Talk about attention to detail!

I never picked ANY of that coz I was far to busy enjoying the art.

I agree Neil it's a CRACKING cover!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I would guess you changed the A & O Bomb to the correct version?
> Or maybe making the Statue of Liberty more ruined and rusted, or even
> giving Taylor a correct 'Apes' gun maybe? ;-)
>
> (Just to make it clear:- I am not having a go at the cover painting, I
> personally think it is one of the best I've seen)
>
> Neil
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > Wait, come to think of it, there IS one other thing that changed. We
> realized, while resizing the book for Amazon, that one of the cover
> images was wrong, so we corrected it. I'll let ya'll figure out which
> one it was, though. :)
>

I guess I'm just not seeing why this is an issue. The president at the time of the war went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Trundy was the president at the time of the war. Hence, Trundy was the president who went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Both are licensed stories. Both writers are fine with the connection, and in fact one of the writers intended it as such. It's just a case of one writer adding onto the work of a previous writer, and that happens all the time in licensed universes. Although I respect your difference of opinion, I'm a little confused as to the cause for your disagreement. This, to me, was just a cool connection that can be made from one story to another. No other name has ever been provided for the president from the Marvel run, and thus no inconsistency exists.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
> Because it wasn't. Trundy is from a newer story, the president in the
> Terror story wasn't named and I personally don't agree with you to
> deciding that this was his name.
>
> It's a bit like the spaceship in Planet being named Icarus by a fan.
> Just because it has since become the preferred name it is not correct.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:20 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
>
>
>
> Why not?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Neil
> Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > I still don't see the logic of saying that it was president Trundy in
> > the Terror story as it wasn't the case when it was written so why,
> after
> > being given that name in a new story, say that it was?
>
>
> <mailto:PotaDG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=52192/stime=1236122392/nc1=3858794/nc2=3848621/nc3=5522124>
>

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....

I guess I'm just not seeing why this is an issue. The president at the time of the war went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Trundy was the president at the time of the war. Hence, Trundy was the president who went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Both are licensed stories. Both writers are fine with the connection, and in fact one of the writers intended it as such. It's just a case of one writer adding onto the work of a previous writer, and that happens all the time in licensed universes. Although I respect your difference of opinion, I'm a little confused as to the cause for your disagreement. This, to me, was just a cool connection that can be made from one story to another. No other name has ever been provided for the president from the Marvel run, and thus no inconsistency exists.

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The book is huge too I hear.... ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
and it's so damn huge!! Actually that is one problem I do have with it - finding space for it in my POTA bookshelf! ;-)
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> Neil
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> Of rassmguy
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> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Calling Ty Templeton.....
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> I guess I'm just not seeing why this is an issue. The president at the
> time of the war went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Trundy was the
> president at the time of the war. Hence, Trundy was the president who
> went into hiding at Mount Rushmore. Both are licensed stories. Both
> writers are fine with the connection, and in fact one of the writers
> intended it as such. It's just a case of one writer adding onto the work
> of a previous writer, and that happens all the time in licensed
> universes. Although I respect your difference of opinion, I'm a little
> confused as to the cause for your disagreement. This, to me, was just a
> cool connection that can be made from one story to another. No other
> name has ever been provided for the president from the Marvel run, and
> thus no inconsistency exists.
>
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael Whitty < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

Jeez! Talk about attention to detail!

I never picked ANY of that coz I was far to busy enjoying the art.

I agree Neil it's a CRACKING cover!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>

> I would guess you changed the A & O Bomb to the correct version?
> Or maybe making the Statue of Liberty more ruined and rusted, or even
> giving Taylor a correct 'Apes' gun maybe? ;-)
>
> (Just to make it clear:- I am not having a go at the cover painting, I
> personally think it is one of the best I've seen)
>
> Neil
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > Wait, come to think of it, there IS one other thing that changed. We
> realized, while resizing the book for Amazon, that one of the cover
> images was wrong, so we corrected it. I'll let ya'll figure out which
> one it was, though. :)
>

Is yours the AMAZON version?

You must be about "APED OUT" after WONDERCON and getting a new POTA book!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> I just got mine delivered yesterday. The book is HUGE! I thought it was
> paperback size...I guess all of the funny photoshopped images made me think
> it was paperback size.
>
> :)
>
> It's beautiful. I have only gotten through the prologue. It was delicious
> and I didn't want to rush through it.
>
> Jess.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...>wrote:
>
> > Jeez! Talk about attention to detail!
> >
> > I never picked ANY of that coz I was far to busy enjoying the art.
> >
> > I agree Neil it's a CRACKING cover!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>, "Neil Foster"
> > <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would guess you changed the A & O Bomb to the correct version?
> > > Or maybe making the Statue of Liberty more ruined and rusted, or even
> > > giving Taylor a correct 'Apes' gun maybe? ;-)
> > >
> > > (Just to make it clear:- I am not having a go at the cover painting, I
> > > personally think it is one of the best I've seen)
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>, "rassmguy"
> > <handleyr@> wrote:
> > > > Wait, come to think of it, there IS one other thing that changed. We
> > > realized, while resizing the book for Amazon, that one of the cover
> > > images was wrong, so we corrected it. I'll let ya'll figure out which
> > > one it was, though. :)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Michael Whitty < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

Is yours the AMAZON version?

You must be about "APED OUT" after WONDERCON and getting a new POTA book!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> I just got mine delivered yesterday. The book is HUGE! I thought it was
> paperback size...I guess all of the funny photoshopped images made me think
> it was paperback size.
>
> :)
>
> It's beautiful. I have only gotten through the prologue. It was delicious
> and I didn't want to rush through it.
>
> Jess.
>

> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael Whitty <sallywhitty@...>wrote:

>
> > Jeez! Talk about attention to detail!
> >
> > I never picked ANY of that coz I was far to busy enjoying the art.
> >
> > I agree Neil it's a CRACKING cover!
> >
> > Michael
> >

> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <PotaDG% 40yahoogroups.com>, "Neil Foster"

> > <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would guess you changed the A & O Bomb to the correct version?
> > > Or maybe making the Statue of Liberty more ruined and rusted, or even
> > > giving Taylor a correct 'Apes' gun maybe? ;-)
> > >
> > > (Just to make it clear:- I am not having a go at the cover painting, I
> > > personally think it is one of the best I've seen)
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >

> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <PotaDG% 40yahoogroups.com>, "rassmguy"

> > <handleyr@> wrote:
> > > > Wait, come to think of it, there IS one other thing that changed. We
> > > realized, while resizing the book for Amazon, that one of the cover
> > > images was wrong, so we corrected it. I'll let ya'll figure out which
> > > one it was, though. :)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Their must have been an ape archive with lots of

magazines like Time and Life.  How else would

They know about Dogs and Cats.  Zira seemed

to have less problem with that yap dog than it did.

 

 

In a message dated 3/3/2009 2:58:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Some say the dog yapping is to shoe it's a universe irreconcilable with the others….

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>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@... juswannaknit
>I just got mine delivered yesterday. The book is HUGE! I thought it was
>paperback size...I guess all of the funny photoshopped images made me think
>it was paperback size. It's beautiful. I have only gotten through
>the prologue.
>It was delicious and I didn't want to rush through it.

Wow, that's high praise indeed--thank you, Jess! I really appreciate that.

>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@... juswannaknit
>I think it must be the Lulu version. I am not aped out. I am an ape freak,
>and I can't get enough apes.

Hmmm...I thought you received the Amazon version. Does it have tabs
along the outside edge, delineating sections? If so, that's the
Amazon version.

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In a message dated 3/3/09 5:26:15 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

It's a bit like the spaceship in Planet being named Icarus by a fan. Just because it has since become the preferred name it is not correct.

*** Exactly, and I think the name sucks myself... That's why I usually call it "the ship"... ***

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In a message dated 3/3/09 5:44:37 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Next edition - around the time the new movie is released!  :)

*** The next edition of your book is coming out on the 12th of Never? ;) ***

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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Rich Handley <handleyr@... > wrote:

>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@... juswannaknit
>I just got mine delivered yesterday. The book is HUGE! I thought it was
>paperback size...I guess all of the funny photoshopped images made me think
>it was paperback size. It's beautiful. I have only gotten through
>the prologue.
>It was delicious and I didn't want to rush through it.

Wow, that's high praise indeed--thank you, Jess! I really appreciate that.

>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@... juswannaknit
>I think it must be the Lulu version. I am not aped out. I am an ape freak,
>and I can't get enough apes.

Hmmm...I thought you received the Amazon version. Does it have tabs
along the outside edge, delineating sections? If so, that's the
Amazon version.

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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Wayne Sylvester < wayne.sylvester@...> wrote:

ISN'T THIS APE A CUTIE...COULD BE GALEN'S SON>I KNOW ITS A 1982 PIC< FROM MY COLLECTION...BUT IT WOULD GO WELL IN A FUTURE EPISODE STORY OF MINE:
A NEW HARVEST!
Wayne Sylvester

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From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March, 2009 3:47:17
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 3741

You had mentioned rushing home to watch the 4:30 afternoon movie...I used to do that...but here in the Bay Area it was the 3:30 afternoon movie. When it was ape week, it was MY week...and I sure muscled my way in front of the tv. My sisters knew better than to try to stop me. And a weekly scan of the tv guide made sure I did not miss any of my apes. Even to this day, if it's on real time, no matter how many times I have already watched it, I have to make sure the tv is tuned onto my movies..

Jess.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Rich Handley <handleyr@optonline. net> wrote:

>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@ gmail.com juswannaknit
>I just got mine delivered yesterday. The book is HUGE! I thought it was
>paperback size...I guess all of the funny photoshopped images made me think
>it was paperback size. It's beautiful. I have only gotten through
>the prologue.
>It was delicious and I didn't want to rush through it.

Wow, that's high praise indeed--thank you, Jess! I really appreciate that.

>Posted by: "jessica rotich" jessicarotich@ gmail.com juswannaknit
>I think it must be the Lulu version. I am not aped out. I am an ape freak,
>and I can't get enough apes..

Hmmm...I thought you received the Amazon version. Does it have tabs
along the outside edge, delineating sections? If so, that's the
Amazon version.