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Group: potadg	Message: 52226	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52227	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52228	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52229	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52230	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52231	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52232	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52233	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52234	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52235	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52236	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: AMNESIA movie

Group: potadg	Message: 52237	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52238	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52239	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52240	From: DONNA SPIRES	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52241	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52242	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52243	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52244	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52245	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52246	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52247	From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52248	From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52249	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52250	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52251	From: Neil	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

Group: potadg	Message: 52252	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52253	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52254	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52255	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52256	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: OT: Kraik rocks on

Group: potadg	Message: 52257	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

Group: potadg	Message: 52258	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52259	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52260	From: jessica rotich	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52261	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52262	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52263	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52264	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52265	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52266	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52267	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

Group: potadg	Message: 52268	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52269	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

Group: potadg	Message: 52270	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: is this from the 70's?

Group: potadg	Message: 52271	From: jessica rotich	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

Group: potadg	Message: 52272	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

Group: potadg	Message: 52273	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52274	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder

Group: potadg	Message: 52275	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52276	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: is this from the 70's?

Group: potadg	Message: 52277	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

Group: potadg	Message: 52278	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52279	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

Group: potadg	Message: 52280	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52281	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52282	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

Group: potadg	Message: 52283	From: Graham Hill	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Group: potadg	Message: 52284	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: POTA onscreen in Rio Rancho, New Mexico

Group: potadg	Message: 52285	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52286	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52287	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52288	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52289	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52290	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52291	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52292	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52293	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

Group: potadg	Message: 52294	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52295	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52296	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52297	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52298	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52299	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52300	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52301	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Group: potadg	Message: 52302	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder

Group: potadg	Message: 52303	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Anniversary Reminder

Group: potadg	Message: 52304	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52305	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52306	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52307	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52308	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52309	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52310	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52311	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Group: potadg	Message: 52312	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52313	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52314	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52315	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52316	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

Group: potadg	Message: 52317	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Just Don't Read Them

Group: potadg	Message: 52318	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

Group: potadg	Message: 52319	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Just Don't Read Them

Group: potadg	Message: 52320	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: It's Very POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 52321	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 52322	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 52323	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 52324	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Happy To Be Wrong

Group: potadg	Message: 52325	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

Group: potadg	Message: 52226	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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USA Today was pretty savage in their review (two out of four stars).

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52227	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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Didn’t they (USA Today) give 4 out of 4 to Burton ’s POTA?

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hunter Goatley
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 10:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen

USA Today was pretty savage in their review (two out of four stars).

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52228	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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Really? Tsk, what would they know?! :-)
Did they give any reasons?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> USA Today was pretty savage in their review (two out of four stars).
>
> Hunter
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52229	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Yeah, Happy Birthday Neil!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52230	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Have a good one Neil.

Remember, you're not getting older, you're getting... Oh wait a minute,
you are.

;)

Dario

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Group: potadg	Message: 52231	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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> Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> Did they give any reasons?

'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52232	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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That's a silly review! OK, I'm speaking as someone who has read the graphic novel, but all the faults this reviewer points out (the narration, the girl's (off-screen) murder, etc) are all taken directly from the source novel that's been so highly praised. If they'd left stuff like that out it would have just been 'based on', rather than the as-faithfulas-it-can-be adaptation that it is. I'll be interested to hear what others make of it..!

And also, as I understand it Alan Moore doesn't want any of his comics made into movies; he sees them as two very different mediums that can't translate to one another. Am I mis-quoting him on that?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > Did they give any reasons?
>
> 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm
>
> Hunter
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52233	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY NEIL!!!!!

From: nlmoxham <neilmoxham@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:12:13 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Yeah, Happy Birthday Neil!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52234	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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> And also, as I understand it Alan Moore doesn't want any of his
> comics made into movies; he sees them as two very different mediums
> that can't translate to one another. Am I mis-quoting him on that?

No, you're not. He disavows every attempt to make a movie based on
his work. He hated "V for Vendetta," and he gave his money from the
"Watchmen" film rights to Dave Gibbons, the artist.

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52235	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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Precisely what I’d do if any of Neil’s and my comics were ever…hey wait a minute…….

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hunter Goatley
Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 6:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen

…. and he gave his money from the "Watchmen" film rights to Dave Gibbons, the artist.

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52236	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: AMNESIA movie

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Full Release Show abstractWriter/Director, John W. Bosley, will be showcasing his film, "The Allan Carter Saga Part I: `Amnesia`," at RebFest from March 29th thru April 4th, 2009. RebFest is a new web-based venue designed to promote the talents of emerging filmmakers. All films that are shown on the site are free to watch, but only during the festival dates.

"The system is broken," Bosley stated. "The traditional route that an independent filmmaker is expected to take in order to gain a distributor via film festivals no longer works. Also, the recession makes the traditional film festival too expensive for the average audience member. We needed another way to reach out to the population."

"Amnesia" is the story of a man, Allan Carter, who wakes up with amnesia. He doesn't know what world he has woken up to, but does know that he is looking for his wife and son. Allan finds himself being shot at, hiding in caves and secret tunnels, and being chased through the forest while constantly searching for the truth.

"I was inspired by the original version of `The Planet of the Apes.' I liked how the film reached many different types of audiences and had some relevance to the time and the culture that watched it," Bosley stated. "`amnesia' has been compared to popular TV shows like LOST and Jericho. Some audience members say it is similar to movies like Signs and Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds."

To see "Amnesia" at RebFest go to www.rebfest.com.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52237	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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I thought the aside article was more interesting.

Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.

IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?

Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or fangirl) when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise. For example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our bedroom, but you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."

The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired Watchmen hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to convince someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever union, we want to hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the really good ones might just make it into a story.

E-mail us at jjanssen@.... Please include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.

In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

> Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> Did they give any reasons?

'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast

http://www.usatoday .com/life/ movies/reviews/ 2009-03-04- watchmen_ N.htm

Hunter

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Group: potadg	Message: 52238	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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It's like the AOL list of TOP 25 War Films.

It had Thin Red Line in there but not Battleground.

I don't think anyone who compiled that list fought

in WW II. These reviews are not written by Comic Fans.

In a message dated 3/5/2009 11:03:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

That's a silly review! OK

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Group: potadg	Message: 52239	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:12 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52240	From: DONNA SPIRES	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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.html Happy Birthday Neil.

Donna

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: sallywhitty@...
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:12:25 +1000
Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52241	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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...OR movie critics! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> It's like the AOL list of TOP 25 War Films.
> It had Thin Red Line in there but not Battleground.
> I don't think anyone who compiled that list fought
> in WW II. These reviews are not written by Comic Fans.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2009 11:03:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> neilmoxham@... writes:
>
> That's a silly review! OK
>
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Group: potadg	Message: 52242	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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You'd better top that for my birthday Jeff! :-0

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:12 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52243	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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I admit the praise is not as it should be, but both Michael Whitty and Neil Foster are gems in the POTA universe. I can't believe how much quality POTA material you guys provide. And I say that from the heart. It's not always acknowledged, but it's always enjoyed. Bless you both.

Now it's back to making jokes.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:33 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

You'd better top that for my birthday Jeff! :-0

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:12 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52244	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: What would you rather see?

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Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR" film where it'll be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc. OR would you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for video WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52245	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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We love you too Jeff! Thanks.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I admit the praise is not as it should be, but both Michael Whitty and Neil Foster are gems in the POTA universe. I can't believe how much quality POTA material you guys provide. And I say that from the heart. It's not always acknowledged, but it's always enjoyed. Bless you both.
> Now it's back to making jokes.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:33 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!
>
>
> You'd better top that for my birthday Jeff! :-0
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael & Sally Whitty
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:12 PM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!
> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52246	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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BOTH!

But with a preference for a well made, well drawn, adult animated POTA with classic settings and characters.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR" film where it'll
> be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc. OR would
> you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for video
> WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old?
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Group: potadg	Message: 52247	From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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We love you too mate - thanks Jeff.

On 06/03/2009 4:51 PM Jeff K. wrote:

I admit the praise is not as it should be, but both Michael Whitty and Neil Foster are gems in the POTA universe. I can't believe how much quality POTA material you guys provide. And I say that from the heart. It's not always acknowledged, but it's always enjoyed. Bless you both. Now it's back to making jokes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Whitty To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger! You'd better top that for my birthday Jeff! :-0 --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." wrote: > > Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael & Sally Whitty > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:12 PM > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger! >

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Group: potadg	Message: 52248	From: sallywhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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BOTH!

I think my PREFERENCE would be a well made animatd film with a great adult plot...a la GOTHAM KINGHTS.

On 06/03/2009 6:04 PM mlccougar@... wrote:

Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR" film where it'll be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc. OR would you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for video WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

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Group: potadg	Message: 52249	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Wow, thanks Jeff I'm humbled. I'm not that great a human being really, just ask Mr. Whitty, he's seen what a bastard I can be! ;-)

I must say though I am so very touched by all the nice things said by Apes people that I consider lucky to think of as friends. Thank you all very much.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52250	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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I would love to see POTA animated with all the techniques that they have available nowadays.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] What would you rather see?

Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR" film where it'll be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc. OR would you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for video WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52251	From: Neil	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

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Don't know if you missed this one or not but I really am curious about the reasoning behind including these non licensed comics?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Another thing I am trying to figure out is why some things have been
> included. You state that you did not include any fan fics etc. which is
> fair enough. You have though included the Argentinean comics which as
> far as I am aware were never 'official' releases which in reality makes
> them little more than fan fics themselves doesn't it?
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> Of rassmguy
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:40 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's
> out?
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > It must have been difficult to draw the line on what to include and
> what not to include.
>
> <mailto:PotaDG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=52156/stime=1236087579/nc1=3858796/nc2=3848627/nc3=5191954>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52252	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Well, since I've never met you I reserve the right to call you a great human being. Oh, I forgot. You're not a human being, you're an Aussie! : )

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:02 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Wow, thanks Jeff I'm humbled. I'm not that great a human being really, just ask Mr. Whitty, he's seen what a bastard I can be! ;-)

I must say though I am so very touched by all the nice things said by Apes people that I consider lucky to think of as friends. Thank you all very much.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52253	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Run Jeff run! He’s English mate! He just LIVES in Australia ! RUN!!!!!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 11:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Well, since I've never met you I reserve the right to call you a great human being. Oh, I forgot. You're not a human being, you're an Aussie! : )

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:02 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Wow, thanks Jeff I'm humbled. I'm not that great a human being really, just ask Mr. Whitty, he's seen what a bastard I can be! ;-)

I must say though I am so very touched by all the nice things said by Apes people that I consider lucky to think of as friends. Thank you all very much.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52254	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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Yeah both! Is that too greedy? Not for Star Wars.

If I win the lottery I think I would commission someone to to a CGI completion of 'Return'. I know, that's crazy, but I like the story and with improved graphics (but keeping the original design as much as possible) and good writing, it could look great. It wouldn't offend anyone because it was never 'canon' anyway, and no-one's ever done 'Return' fan-fiction. And it would be just for me, cos no-one else like 'Return'!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> BOTH!
>
> But with a preference for a well made, well drawn, adult animated POTA with classic settings and characters.
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR" film where it'll
> > be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc. OR would
> > you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for video
> > WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old?
> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
> > steps!
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> > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
> >
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Group: potadg	Message: 52255	From: nlmoxham	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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That's funny!
My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who convention in England tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself infront of the hardcore Whovians...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
>
>
> IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or fangirl)
> when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise. For
> example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our bedroom, but
> you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired Watchmen
> hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to convince
> someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever union, we want to
> hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the really
> good ones might just make it into a story.
> E-mail us at _jjanssen@..._ (mailto:jjanssen@...) . Please
> include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> goathunter@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > Did they give any reasons?
>
> 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
>
> _http://www.usatodayhttp://wwwhttp://www.usathttp://www.http://wwhttp:_
> (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm)
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
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Group: potadg	Message: 52256	From: Jeff K.	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: OT: Kraik rocks on

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Jackie Earle Hailey, "Kraik" in the POTA TV show, is on a roll. He got an Oscar nomination for "Little Children", he's a major player in this weekend's "Watchmen" and now he's got a pilot on, ahem, Fox. These days, when actors like Robert Downey, Jr. and Mickey Rourke are being lauded for (terrific) comebacks, it's good to see someone who didn't implode but just fell out of favor coming back. Hey, Jackie was the star of a movie in which Tom Cruise was just a wannabe. He was also memorable in stuff like "Bad News Bears" and "Breaking Away". Good job, Jackie!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40330

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Group: potadg	Message: 52257	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

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*** Are/were the TV series stories from the UK Annuals included in the book too? ***

In a message dated 3/6/09 5:57:14 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Don't know if you missed this one or not but I really am curious about the reasoning behind including these non licensed comics?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52258	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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*** If there'd ever be a "conclusion" to RETURN, it might as well be the same half-assed animation they used just for continuity's sake... Having it be something else would be like throwing having an entire TV series shot in B&W and then having it's last episode shot in color... ***

In a message dated 3/6/09 9:12:27 AM Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

If I win the lottery I think I would commission someone to to a CGI completion of 'Return'. I know, that's crazy, but I like the story and with improved graphics (but keeping the original design as much as possible) and good writing, it could look great. It wouldn't offend anyone because it was never 'canon' anyway, and no-one's ever done 'Return' fan-fiction. And it would be just for me, cos no-one else like 'Return'!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52259	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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I went to a couple of Trek Cons. It was kind of cool. Lots of stuff

that even if you can afford would probably never buy. A full POTA

gorilla costume. Hell, a full Mugatu costume. I was amazed how

much ST & SW stuff there was and how little Buckaroo Banzai and

POTA stuff there was. Especially since POTA virtually started the

merchandising thing. I've been to some Anime Cons. It truly is a

shame women can't dress as superheroes everyday. But isn't that

what the future is all about? That's what Star Trek means to me.

The TV equivalent of a male Barbarella. Lots of crazy colored sets

and Kirk fighting horned white gorillas and bedding horny green women.

In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:21:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a convention before

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Group: potadg	Message: 52260	From: jessica rotich	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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I would watch any, but please load me up on grape juice plus first so I can thoroughly enjoy it.

Jess.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM, < mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** If there'd ever be a "conclusion" to RETURN, it might as well be the same half-assed animation they used just for continuity's sake... Having it be something else would be like throwing having an entire TV series shot in B&W and then having it's last episode shot in color... ***

In a message dated 3/6/09 9:12:27 AM Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@... writes:

If I win the lottery I think I would commission someone to to a CGI completion of 'Return'. I know, that's crazy, but I like the story and with improved graphics (but keeping the original design as much as possible) and good writing, it could look great. It wouldn't offend anyone because it was never 'canon' anyway, and no-one's ever done 'Return' fan-fiction. And it would be just for me, cos no-one else like 'Return'!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52261	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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Ummm….Neil and I are ACHING to do a RETURN comic….

Get writing Moxy!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: What would you rather see?

>
> BOTH!
>
> But with a preference for a well made, well drawn, adult animated POTA

with classic settings and characters.

>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,

mlccougar@ wrote:

> >
> > Would you rather see a new film like the proposed "CAESAR"

film where it'll

> > be a whole new story all it's own with a new look, design, etc. etc.

OR would

> > you rather see a made for DVD animated film (like the new made for

video

> > WONDER WOMAN film) based on the same style as the old?
> > ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in

just 2 easy

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Group: potadg	Message: 52262	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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Lucky bugger!

So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season – is that right?

How are they going to pull that off?

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nlmoxham
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen

>
>
> I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
>
>
> IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or fangirl)
> when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise. For
> example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our

bedroom, but

> you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired

Watchmen

> hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to convince
> someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever union, we

want to

> hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the

really

> good ones might just make it into a story.
> E-mail us at _jjanssen@.. ._ (mailto:jjanssen@ ...) . Please
> include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> goathunter@. .. writes:
>
>
>
>
> > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > Did they give any reasons?
>
> 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
>
> _

href="http://www.usatodayhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_">http://www.usatoday http://wwwhttp: //www.usathttp: //www.http: //wwhttp: _

> (

href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm">http://www.usatoday .com/life/ movies/reviews/ 2009-03-04- watchmen_ N.htm)

>
> Hunter
>
>
>
>
> ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just

2 easy

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Group: potadg	Message: 52263	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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Hmmm….you could re-do the whole thing and lose the bird! J

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 4:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: What would you rather see?

In a message dated 3/6/09 9:12:27 AM Central Standard Time, neilmoxham@gmail. com writes:

If I win the lottery I think I would commission someone to to a CGI completion of 'Return'. I know, that's crazy, but I like the story and with improved graphics (but keeping the original design as much as possible) and good writing, it could look great. It wouldn't offend anyone because it was never 'canon' anyway, and no-one's ever done 'Return' fan-fiction. And it would be just for me, cos no-one else like 'Return'!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52264	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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Tennant was doing four specials , one has been on t.v at xmas.
Three more to come.
The new docter has already chosen i forget his name but he has got big boots to fill.
Russell.t.davis has also been replaced has the writer, but the new writer is a fantastic writer and has already scripted some of the previous episodes.
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Lucky bugger!
>
>
>
> So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season - is that right?
>
>
>
> How are they going to pull that off?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> nlmoxham
> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
>
>
>
> That's funny!
> My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who convention
> in England tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a
> convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself infront
> of the hardcore Whovians...
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, TZer0@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> > Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
> >
> >
> > IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> > Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or fangirl)
> > when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise. For
> > example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our
> bedroom, but
> > you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> > The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired
> Watchmen
> > hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to convince
> > someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever union, we
> want to
> > hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the
> really
> > good ones might just make it into a story.
> > E-mail us at _jjanssen@_ (mailto:jjanssen@) . Please
> > include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > goathunter@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > > Did they give any reasons?
> >
> > 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
> >
> > _http://www.usatoday
> <http://www.usatodayhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_>
> http://wwwhttp://www.usathttp://www.http://wwhttp:_
> > (http://www.usatoday
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Group: potadg	Message: 52265	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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But the NEW doctor….is he coming in Season 2009? I don’t think he is!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of haydon.mark
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 6:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen

>
> Lucky bugger!
>
>
>
> So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season - is that

right?

>
>
>
> How are they going to pull that off?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

> nlmoxham
> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
>
>
>
> That's funny!
> My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who convention
> in England

tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a

> convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself

infront

> of the hardcore Whovians...
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com, TZer0@

> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> > Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
> >
> >
> > IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> > Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or

fangirl)

> > when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise.

For

> > example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout

in our

> bedroom, but
> > you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> > The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired
> Watchmen
> > hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to

convince

> > someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever

union, we

> want to
> > hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the
> really
> > good ones might just make it into a story.
> > E-mail us at _jjanssen@_ (mailto:jjanssen@ ) . Please
> > include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > goathunter@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > > Did they give any reasons?
> >
> > 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
> >
> > _http://www.usatoday
> <

href="http://www.usatodayhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_">http://www.usatoday http:/wwwhttp: /www.usathttp: /www.http: /wwhttp:_>

> http://wwwhttp: //www.usathttp: //www.http: //wwhttp: _
> > (http://www.usatoday
> <

href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm">http://www.usatoday .com/life/ movies/reviews/ 2009-03-04- watchmen_ N.htm>

> .com/life/movies/ reviews/2009- 03-04-watchmen_ N.htm)
> >
> > Hunter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in

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Group: potadg	Message: 52266	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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*** And make sure you get the flying reptile in there... And the giant snow ape... "Battle of the Titans: Round II"....

In a message dated 3/6/09 2:27:39 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Neil and I are ACHING to do a RETURN comic….

Get writing Moxy!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52267	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: What would you rather see?

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In a message dated 3/6/09 2:31:01 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Hmmm….you could re-do the whole thing and lose the bird! J

*** Redoing the storyline from RETURN set in the actual physical setting(s) of PLANET/BENEATH would be cool... Horses, adobe huts, "medieval" technology... Drop the monsters and the gibberish speaking Nova too... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52268	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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No he should'nt be in this season but tennant must regenerate at the end of the last special.
Mark

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> But the NEW doctor..is he coming in Season 2009? I don't think he is!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> haydon.mark
> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 6:51 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
>
>
>
> Tennant was doing four specials , one has been on t.v at xmas.
> Three more to come.
> The new docter has already chosen i forget his name but he has got big boots
> to fill.
> Russell.t.davis has also been replaced has the writer, but the new writer is
> a fantastic writer and has already scripted some of the previous episodes.
> Mark
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Michael &
> Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Lucky bugger!
> >
> >
> >
> > So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season - is that
> right?
> >
> >
> >
> > How are they going to pull that off?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
> Of
> > nlmoxham
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
> >
> >
> >
> > That's funny!
> > My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who convention
> > in England tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a
> > convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself
> infront
> > of the hardcore Whovians...
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, TZer0@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> > > Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
> > >
> > >
> > > IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> > > Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or
> fangirl)
> > > when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of compromise. For
>
> > > example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our
> > bedroom, but
> > > you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> > > The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired
> > Watchmen
> > > hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to convince
> > > someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever union,
> we
> > want to
> > > hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and the
> > really
> > > good ones might just make it into a story.
> > > E-mail us at _jjanssen@_ (mailto:jjanssen@) . Please
> > > include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > goathunter@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > > > Did they give any reasons?
> > >
> > > 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
> > >
> > > _http://www.usatoday
> > <http://www.usatoday
> <http://www.usatodayhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_>
> http:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_>
> > http://wwwhttp: <http://wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_>
> //www.usathttp://www.http://wwhttp:_
> > > (http://www.usatoday
> > <http://www.usatoday
> <http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm>
> .com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm>
> > .com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm)
> > >
> > > Hunter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> > easy
> > > steps!
> > > (http://pr.atwola.
> > <http://pr.atwola.
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> > com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=htt
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> >
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> > > 2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
> > >
> >
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Group: potadg	Message: 52269	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

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Attachments :

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Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim

From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52270	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: is this from the 70's?

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Attachments :

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Found this on Flickr....are these performers from the stage show or arena show?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52271	From: jessica rotich	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

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Thanks, Tim. I created a new album for the group, entitled Wondercon 2009 with all the photos I have found thus far.

I'll do a better job next time with the hair and hairline...It's different when it's on the mannequin and when it's on you.

Happy Friday everyone!!

Jess.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Tim apefan < apefan23@...> wrote:

Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>

To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52272	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

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Dear Jessica,

You look truly wonderful.

John

From: jessica rotich

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:15 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Tim apefan <apefan23@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!

Tim

From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
To: POTA < pota@yahoogroups. com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!

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Group: potadg	Message: 52273	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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Happy Birthday.

John

From: Neil Foster

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:02 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Wow, thanks Jeff I'm humbled. I'm not that great a human being really, just ask Mr. Whitty, he's seen what a bastard I can be! ;-)

I must say though I am so very touched by all the nice things said by Apes people that I consider lucky to think of as friends. Thank you all very much.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:30 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

Amen! Happy Birthday to the best POTA artist I've ever seen. And a terrific human being. Sorry it's late. Jeff K.

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52274	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Arthur P. Jacobs' Birthday

Date:		Saturday March 7, 2009
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
Notes:		Happy Birthday Arthur! (Producer: Planet of the Apes (1968) Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973))

Yahoo! Greetings:		Send a Yahoo! Greeting
Yahoo! Shopping:		Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide

Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options

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Group: potadg	Message: 52275	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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So who IS going to be in this season – how can it BE Dr Who WOTHOUT a Dr for ¾ of the episodes?

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of haydon.mark
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen

No he should'nt be in this season but tennant must regenerate at the end of the last special.
Mark
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

>
> But the NEW doctor..is he coming in Season 2009? I don't think he is!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

> haydon.mark
> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 6:51 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
>
>
>
> Tennant was doing four specials , one has been on t.v at xmas.
> Three more to come.
> The new docter has already chosen i forget his name but he has got big

boots

> to fill.
> Russell.t.davis has also been replaced has the writer, but the new writer

> a fantastic writer and has already scripted some of the previous episodes.
> Mark
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com, "Michael &

> Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@ > wrote:
> >
> > Lucky bugger!
> >
> >
> >
> > So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season - is that
> right?
> >
> >
> >
> > How are they going to pull that off?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com

> [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com] On Behalf

> Of
> > nlmoxham
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com

> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
> >
> >
> >
> > That's funny!
> > My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who

convention

> > in England

tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a

> > convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself
> infront
> > of the hardcore Whovians...
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG% 40yahoogroups. com>

com, TZer0@

> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> > > Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
> > >
> > >
> > > IN LOVE WITH A FANBOY?
> > > Conducting a relationship with a sci-fi or comic-book fanboy (or
> fangirl)
> > > when you're not one yourself is a delicate dance full of

compromise. For

>
> > > example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard

cutout in our

> > bedroom, but
> > > you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> > > The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic

novel-inspired

> > Watchmen
> > > hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to

convince

> > > someone to go with you? If you are part of a fanboy-nonbeliever

union,

> we
> > want to
> > > hear about how you make it work. Share your stories with us, and

the

> > really
> > > good ones might just make it into a story.
> > > E-mail us at _jjanssen@_ (mailto:jjanssen@ ) . Please
> > > include your full name(s), hometowns and a daytime contact

number.

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > goathunter@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > > > Did they give any reasons?
> > >
> > > 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
> > >
> > > _http://www.usatoday
> > <http://www.usatoday
> <

href="http://www.usatodayhttp:/wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_">http://www.usatoday http:/wwwhttp: /www.usathttp: /www.http: /wwhttp:_>

> http:/wwwhttp: /www.usathttp: /www.http: /wwhttp:_ >
> > http://wwwhttp: <

href="http://wwwhttp:/www.usathttp:/www.http:/wwhttp:_">http://wwwhttp: /www.usathttp: /www.http: /wwhttp:_>

> //www.usathttp: //www.http: //wwhttp: _
> > > (http://www.usatoday
> > <http://www.usatoday
> <

href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2009-03-04-watchmen_N.htm">http://www.usatoday .com/life/ movies/reviews/ 2009-03-04- watchmen_ N.htm>

> .com/life/movies/ reviews/2009- 03-04-watchmen_ N.htm>
> > .com/life/movies/ reviews/2009- 03-04-watchmen_ N.htm)
> > >
> > > Hunter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See

yours in just 2

> > easy
> > > steps!
> > > (http://pr.atwola.
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Group: potadg	Message: 52276	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: is this from the 70's?

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Looks like the outfit I bought late 90s.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 8:15 AM
To: POTA; POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] is this from the 70's?

Found this on Flickr....are these performers from the stage show or arena show?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52277	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009

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Ditto

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John B Kirtley
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 8:33 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

Dear Jessica,

You look truly wonderful.

John

From: jessica rotich

Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:15 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

Thanks, Tim. I created a new album for the group, entitled Wondercon 2009 with all the photos I have found thus far.

I'll do a better job next time with the hair and hairline...It' s different when it's on the mannequin and when it's on you.

Happy Friday everyone!!

Jess.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Tim apefan <apefan23@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!

Tim

From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>

To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups. com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

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Group: potadg	Message: 52278	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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In a message dated 3/6/09 11:57:03 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

So who IS going to be in this season – how can it BE Dr Who WITHOUT a Dr for ¾ of the episodes?

*** The same way they did a season of "Sanford and Son" without the main character of Fred Sanford... Or the way the last season of "Laverne and Shirley" was really only Laverne... They can always find a way Whitty... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52279	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Watchmen

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I dont know much more than you other than if you want to find info go to BBC website/ Dr Who there is probably more info there than what i can give.
Mark :)
-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty> So who IS going to be in this season how can it BE Dr Who WOTHOUT a Dr for

> ¾ of the episodes?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> haydon.mark
> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 8:04 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
>
>
>
> No he should'nt be in this season but tennant must regenerate at the end of
> the last special.
> Mark
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Michael &
> Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > But the NEW doctor..is he coming in Season 2009? I don't think he is!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
> Of
> > haydon.mark
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 6:51 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
> >
> >
> >
> > Tennant was doing four specials , one has been on t.v at xmas.
> > Three more to come.
> > The new docter has already chosen i forget his name but he has got big
> boots
> > to fill.
> > Russell.t.davis has also been replaced has the writer, but the new writer
> is
> > a fantastic writer and has already scripted some of the previous episodes.
> > Mark
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Michael
> &
> > Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lucky bugger!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I hear David Tennant is only in 3 episodes this season - is that
> > right?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How are they going to pull that off?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > nlmoxham
> > > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:21 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Watchmen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's funny!
> > > My understanding wife surprised me with tickets to a Doctor Who
> convention
> > > in England tomorrow. We fly out tonight. Though I've never been to a
> > > convention before and the last thing I want to do is embaress myself
> > infront
> > > of the hardcore Whovians...
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, TZer0@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I thought the aside article was more interesting.
> > > > Made me think of you Jess. And indeed all of us.
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> > > > example: "No, you may not keep your Boba Fett cardboard cutout in our
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> > > > you can keep it downstairs in your man cave."
> > > > The tug-of-war continues this weekend as the graphic novel-inspired
> > > Watchmen
> > > > hits theaters. Are you being dragged along? Or did you have to
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/5/2009 9:32:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > > goathunter@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Really? Tsk, what would they know ! :-)
> > > > > Did they give any reasons?
> > > >
> > > > 'Watchmen' forgettable after initial blast
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Group: potadg	Message: 52280	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
> other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
> amount of murders you have in the USA?
>
> Are the UK governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?
>
> No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
> just nonsense.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52281	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@...> wrote:

>
> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark

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Group: potadg	Message: 52282	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

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I'm not suggesting that Stewart's ONLY role was to be the "New Eve" breeder. Just that THAT role was her PRIMARY role -- her most important role. They were sent on their journey by MEN ["the MEN who sent us on this journey are long since dead and gone... YOU who are reading me NOW are a different BREED..."], as a COLONIZATION effort. We KNOW this because Taylor refers to Stewart's breeding role more than once:

1. "... and, with our lovely Lieutenant Stewart gone, it looks like you [Landon] are the last-of-the-line [of Landons]." That line doesn't make any sense unless we conclude that Landon and Stewart were expected to participate in a baby-making act of sweet sweet love in order to continue the "line" -- the LINEAGE.

2. "Did I ever tell you [Nova] about Stewart? Now THERE was a lovely girl... the most precious cargo we'd brought along. SHE WAS TO BE THE NEW EVE... WITH OUR HOT-AND-EAGER HELP, OF COURSE..."

Maybe she was to be MORE than "merely" the New Eve in a colonization effort's breeding program... but her role as the New Eve was obviously her most IMPORTANT role, since it is the ONLY role that Taylor ever mentions! And, hey, when it comes to BREEDING, it sure helps that the only woman they have for that role is "LOVELY" rather than merely "plain" or -- God forbid -- downright UGLY. Not only did they hire a gorgeous blonde actress to play the sleeping-yet-alive Lieutenant Stewart [Diane Stanley], but Taylor TWICE refers to her as "lovely." In "PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED" [by Joe Russo and Larry Landman], on page 58, they refer to "Diane Stanley (Stewart), the lone female crewmember WHO LOOKS QUITE LOVELY before Taylor settles down for cryosleep..." (my emphasis added). We in the audience were obviously intended to NOTICE her loveliness.

This reminds me of an essay I once read in the magazine "BIBLE REVIEW" about the book of JOB. At the end of that story, after Job had lost all of his sons and daughters, God rewards Job's righteousness, giving him back "twice as much as he had before" [42:10]. Further, God made it so that Job "had also seven sons and three daughters" [42:13] "And in all the land there were no women so FAIR as Job's daughters; and their father gave them inheritance among their brothers" [42:15]. I capitalized the word "fair" to stress the fact -- pointed out by the author of the essay -- that the BEAUTY of Job's daughters made them more valuable in a culture where daughters were sold into marriage alliances by their fathers. In the story, good ol' righteous Job is rewarded for his piety by having his dead children replaced -- his three daughters [whose "looks" are never specified as being "fair" i.e. beautiful] being replaced by three NEW daughters who are specifically said to be more "fair" than all the other women in the land. When Job died, 140 years later [!], you can bet that the children born to his new PRETTY daughters inherited those genes for good-looks.

When rich folks attempt match-making for their grown-up children, sure they want their kids to be happy... but they'd also prefer their sons to marry BEAUTIFUL women, so that the grand-kids will have a better chance of being handsome/pretty themselves... and, hence, happier.

I suspect that similar considerations would be "in-play" regarding the future prospects of a team of colonists who were expected to breed more Americans in the far future on a planet far far away. Of COURSE the breeding female would HAVE to be "lovely", wouldn't she?

Would she have OTHER duties on this colonization mission? Probably. But none so important as squeezin' out those babies and nursing them along. That, in and of itself, would be enough of a task for one woman to accomplish. I should think that the three men would try to minimize the extra workload for Stewart, since she would have her hands full, in addition to her uterus!

Oh, and about this "skipper" stuff. Jeez Louise! Look up the word in a dictionary, and what does it say?

This, from the ENCARTA WORLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY:

skip-per [n.] 1. NAUT: SOMEBODY IN CHARGE OF SHIP, somebody in charge of a ship or boat. 2. LEADER OF A TEAM, somebody in charge of a squad or group of others, especially the captain or coach of a sports team (informal) [14thC. From Middle Dutch "schipper", from "schip" = "ship."]

Landon didn't call Taylor "Skipper" because he was SKIPPING AROUND like a little girl goin' "La la la la laaaaa...." He called Taylor "Skipper" for the same reason Brent called Maddox "Skipper": each man had been in charge of the SHIP that they were subordinates on. Even after Taylor's ship sank to the bottom of the lake, those astronauts were still members of a TEAM/squad/group COMMANDED BY TAYLOR.

This "football team" theory of yours is bonkers, Neil. Landon and Taylor playing on the same football team? Does that mean that Brent and Maddox played on the same football team, too? Did Gilligan and HIS "skipper" play football together? How about J.J. Adams in "FORBIDDEN PLANET" (as played by Leslie Neilsen), who also was referred to as "Skipper" by his crew?

Don't you see a pattern here??? The crewmembers of a ship TRADITIONALLY refer to their commanding officer as "Skipper"!!! They've been doing that since at least the 14th Century, fer cryin' out loud!

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 52283	From: Graham Hill	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Neil, you old codger!

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ahh... I go "away" for a couple of days and people have birthdays !!

Hope you had a good one.

Best,Graham.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52284	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: POTA onscreen in Rio Rancho, New Mexico

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After hours with apes

The Esther Bone Memorial Library, 950 Pinetree Rd. SE, continues its "After Hours at the Movies" series with the cult classic film, "Planet of the Apes." The free movie will be shown at 7 p.m.

This film was originally released in 1968, runs 112 minutes and is rated G. It stars Charlton Heston, Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter. It spawned the Planet of the Apes movie franchise, which includes the original film and four other movies based around the same theme.

Doors will open for admission to the library at 6:30 p.m. Snacks and drinks are allowed. The remainder of the library is closed during the showing of the film as patrons will only have access to the program room and the bathrooms.

For more information, call 891-5012, extension 3128.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52285	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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You are very good at talking shit IRA???? next you will be telling me that the talaban are atheists and they have the same beliefs , same has the IRA.
Sorry but IRA where terrorists same goes for the talaban, loose talk about something you have no idea about gets people killed.
You would be better talking about something you may know something about and not just read about???
Mark --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
> > other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
> > amount of murders you have in the USA?
> >
> > Are the UK governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?
> >
> > No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
> > just nonsense.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 52286	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

I'm trying to make sense of this one too..Patrick might chime in?

If Burke and Virdon left when you say they did, then how come they were surprised that there's talking apes?

Would they not have seen Cornelius and Zira on the news?

And Hasslein's theory by then was no longer a theory, but a FACT! So how come Virdon volunteered to never see his family again?

Michael

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Group: potadg	Message: 52287	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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Just watched the first three episodes the other day...

WHY didn't B&V & Jonesy have BEARDS???

and boy you can REALLY tell when Roddy wasn't there and his double was...it's SO obvious! They look nothing alike!!!

From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 5:29:13 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com , "Michael & Sally Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

I'm trying to make sense of this one too..Patrick might chime in?

If Burke and Virdon left when you say they did, then how come they were surprised that there's talking apes?

Would they not have seen Cornelius and Zira on the news?

And Hasslein's theory by then was no longer a theory, but a FACT! So how come Virdon volunteered to never see his family again?

Michael

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*** Patrick just MIGHT chime in...!

This all depends on which stories are included in a "canon". Like Rich said, if you consider only the 1st film valid and all else to be inconsequential, then there IS no canon to speak of. Just one movie. If you consider the 5-film saga to be canon, but not anything else, then the Burke-&-Virdon story doesn't matter.

My own preference is to consider only the live-action POTA stories, not including the Burton film. Just the 5 films and the 14 episodes. My own on-going POTA epic -- which I'm titling "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES" -- is a (re-)novelization of those 5 movies and 14 TV episodes (and more). Way back when, decades ago [!] when I first thought about tackling this project, I tried to finagle in the MARVEL original stories -- by which I mean the Future History Chronicles and the TERROR stories, but not the Derek Zane "KINGDOM ON AN ISLAND OF THE APES" tales, and not the (otherwise excellent) "EVOLUTION'S NIGHTMARE". But there are details in those stories that just don't mesh well with the "established" movies-and-episodes . As much as I loved the stories about Jason & Alexander, by the time Moench was including the Gorilloids.. . well, I just wasn't as enthused about those elements he'd added. The Brains-In-Jars "Gestalt" stuff, as bonkers as it was, was still entertaining, and I could've included that stuff... just BARELY. But Moench went on even weirder tangents, such as the Psychedrome with its Winged Monkey Demons, etc etc etc... and the weirder it got, the less it seemed to fit in well with my own "feel" for the established live-action stories. As much as I enjoyed Moench's stories -- and the art by Ploog and Sutton -- they just didn't "work" in the context of the plot-points that I was coming up with.

The reason being that my goal was to "unflub" the "mistakes".. . the errors in continuity and the like. The biggest "mistake" was the 3978-versus- 3955 controversy. If I could find a way to "unflub" THAT flub, then I had an opportunity to explore the possibilities such a scenario would present. This entailed no less than a comprehensive "theory" of Hassleinian hyperdrive mechanics. If the EARTH-TIME clocks "behave" the way we see them do -- the way Milo and his 2 Ape-onaut friends saw their "date meter" behave -- then there are certain implications to that. The original story details that I am adding to MY version of the POTA plotline take advantage of those implications.

In my scenario, there is no "second timeline" and there CANNOT BE. Caesar cannot "change" the Future, because he exists: if he COULD change the Future, then he would prevent his younger self (as a fetus) from participating in the flight of Milo/Zira/Cornelius back through Time to 1973... where he WOULDN'T BE BORN and thus COULDN'T effect any desired "changes" to the Future.

Everything Hasslein does to try to change the Future... everything Caesar, Virgil, and MacDonald do to try to change the Future... everything any like-minded would-be Future-Changer might attempt in order to PREVENT Doomsday would be doomed to failure, serving -- rather -- to FULFILL the single circular timeline that was created in the Future and which had begun to be fulfilled from the very moment the ship popped outta nowhere and washed up on Zuma Beach.

The desire to change the Future -- for the "good" as one perceives it -- paradoxically serves to "cement" in-place the unchangeable destiny of the Earth.

The planet of the apes WILL be destroyed on the EARTH-TIME date 11-23-3955.. . and nothing anybody attempts can prevent that.

On the other hand, NOTHING can destroy the planet Earth BEFORE that date, either. Kolp attempted that, when he ordered Alma to detonate the Doomsday Bomb should he be unsuccessful in his attempt to conquer Ape City.

But there were FORCES AT WORK that would dash Kolp's plans in spite of himself, and in spite of Alma's willingness to obey his last order. Mendez would be there to PREVENT it... to instill the beginnings of BOMB-WORSHIP, not knowing that the future destruction of the world would center around that very Bomb which would be literally worshipped by the descendants of those wretches left alive in a post-Kolp remnant of civilization. Mendez had no idea that his instillment of Bomb-Worshipping was FULFILLING a destiny he couldn't even begin to suspect. Neither Zira nor Cornelius ever knew about the Bomb-Worshipping inhabitants of the Forbidden Zone; they knew that SOMEBODY lived there, but they didn't have any knowledge of the religious beliefs of those "unknown" inhabitants. Therefore, they couldn't and DIDN'T inform the Presidential Commission about any such group of Nuke-worshipping mutant humans. If they HAD known about such a group, then Mendez would've known that his actions -- his coaxing Alma (and the others) to begin to VENERATE the Bomb -- would be fulfilling a Doomsday future, rather than preventing it.

Therefore, since there is ONLY one loop-de-loop timeline, the ignorance of Virdon and Burke regarding the Ape-onauts can ONLY be explained if they had left Earth for Alpha Centauri BEFORE the Ape-onauts arrived on Earth in 1973. My scenario has it that it takes Taylor (et al.) to travel from Earth to their Orion destination [320 lightyears away] a total of 18 months of SHIP-TIME, equivalent to 2006.86 years of EARTH-TIME. They don't "jump" BANG-ZOOM all the way from Earth to their destination on the SAME day they left Earth. Yet that's how many POTA fans interpret the "AUG-19-1980" date on the EARTH-TIME chronometer in the opening credits sequence. They assume that Virdon's ship left Earth in 1980 and were "approaching" Alpha Centauri in that same year, 1980.

My scenario has it that Virdon's ship was "one of two" that had left Earth that the President [in ESCAPE] knew about -- the 2nd of two being Taylor's 3-seater ship, which had just re-entered and landed in 1973. Virdon's ship left "more than two years" earlier -- i.e. two years before mid-November 1973, or no later than, say, October of 1971. Taylor, Landon, and Dodge launched from Cape Kennedy in mid-January of 1972, some three months afterwards. Taylor, Dodge, and Landon "warped" to a rendezvous location somewhere in the Solar System where their Orion Mission "mothership" awaited, and to which the 2 ANSA shuttles we saw in PLANET and BENEATH had already been flown (in secret). Taylor docked his ESCAPE ship to the rest, joined the extended crew, and the whole kit-and-kaboodle then warped out of the Solar System towards their destination in Orion.

Just as it was to take the Orion Mission many years of EARTH-TIME to reach its faraway destination, so too would it take Virdon's ship YEARS of EARTH-TIME to get from Earth (in October of 1971) to Alpha Centauri (in August of 1980). The reason it takes LONGER for the Orion Mission to warp to its destination -- i.e. at a "slower" rate of LIGHTYEARS-PER- EARTHYEAR -- than it takes for Virdon's ship to get to Alpha Centauri, is because Virdon's single ANSA shuttlecraft' s hyperdrive has to create a "bubble" of hyperspace to surround LESS MASS to push through Space-Time. The Orion Mission mothership's hyperdrive has more than 4 times as much mass to push through Space-Time: the "cargo"-carrying mothership itself, the PLANET shuttle, the BENEATH shuttle, the ESCAPE shuttle, and whatever they use for FUEL for these interstellar spacecraft.

If it takes the Orion Mission some 2006.86 years of EARTH-TIME to travel a distance of 320 lightyears, then it would take them 27.218 years of EARTH-TIME to travel the 4.34-lightyear distance to Alpha Centauri. If Taylor-&-gang were to have traveled to Alpha Centauri instead of their destination in Orion, they would've arrived there around the beginning of Spring in the year 1999 A.D. -- when they were still AWAKE and had not yet begun their "long sleep" in hibernation six months into their 18-month (SHIP-TIME) flight.

Virdon's ship travels 4.34 lightyears -- from Earth to Alpha Centauri -- in a little less than 9 years of EARTH-TIME because (as my scenario reasons it out) his spaceship has far less mass to lug through hyperspace than the multi-ship load that is the Orion Mission. If Virdon's ship were to travel to the Orion Destination, it would get there in roughly a third of the time it takes Taylor. It takes the Orion Mission about 2006.86 years of EARTH-TIME [from 1-14-1972 to 11-25-3978] to travel the 320-lightyear distance: it would take Virdon's ship about 651 years of EARTH-TIME to cover that same distance, so that if they were to leave, say, in mid-October 1971 NOT for Alpha Centauri but INSTEAD for the Orion destination, they would get there in the year A.D. 2622, before Taylor and his crew were tucked in for their "long sleep" phase.

The reason Virdon's ship doesn't travel so far is because they only had so much SHIP-TIME available for their faster voyage to Alpha Centauri and back. With THREE astronauts in a small cockpit, with no BATHROOM-"Head" or KITCHEN-"Mess" to provide the necessities of life, they would've had "time" [SHIP-TIME] enough for only a few days of astronautics. How much time exactly?

If the ratio of SHIP-TIME to EARTH-TIME is equivalent, then the rates of timeflow should be proportional. If -- as I calculate it -- it takes Virdon about 8.83 EARTH-TIME years to get to Alpha Centauri, which is about 0.3244 times the amount of EARTH-TIME it would take for the Orion Mission to travel that same distance [27.218 EARTH-TIME years], then Virdon's ship travels at a rate of 0.4915 lightyears per EARTH-TIME year, as opposed to the Orion Mission's rate of 0.159453 lightyears per EARTH-TIME year. Virdon's ship, in other words, travels through Space-Time a hair over 3 times as fast -- in EARTH-TIME.

If that same faster rate applies also to SHIP-TIME, then we have to figure (firstly) the Orion Mission's velocity in lightyears per SHIP-TIME year. It takes them "eighteen months" to travel to their destination, 320 lightyears away; so, the Orion Mission travels at a rate of 213.33 lightyears per SHIP-TIME year [or 320 LY per 1.5 SHIP-TIME years]. If an equivalent ratio applies, that means that Virdon's ship would be able to travel 657.675 lightyears in one year of SHIP-TIME. That is equivalent to 1.8 lightyears per SHIP-TIME day (for Virdon).

That means that it would take Virdon's ship 2.41 days of SHIP-TIME to travel a distance of 4.34 lightyears, from Earth to Alpha Centauri. It would take another 2.41 SHIP-TIME days to travel back to Earth. If ANSA gave them enough life-support for a 7-day journey [SHIP-TIME], then they would have about 2 days 4 hours in-between to reconnoiter the Alpha Centauri system.

That's do-able.

However, if Virdon's ship were to fly all the way to the Orion Mission's destination 320 lightyears away from Earth, it would take them 177.77 days of SHIP-TIME -- a little under 6 months of SHIP-TIME. That is NOT do-able if you don't have a year's worth of food and water to sustain you [or a hibernation chamber to sleep in], let alone a pot to piss in.

In my scenario, Virdon's ship leaves Earth in mid-October 1971 and warps out to the Alpha Centauri system. It takes them about 8.8 years of EARTH-TIME to get there -- so that they arrive in mid-August 1980, having aged only 2.41 days or a little under 2 days 10 hours. The plan is to reconnoiter the Alpha Centauri system for about 2 days 4 hours and then zip back to Earth, which will take them another 2 days 10 hours of SHIP-TIME... so that they'll arrive back for Earth re-entry in mid-June of 1989. They will have aged 7 days of SHIP-TIME, and their loved ones back on Earth will have aged about 17 years and 8 months.

But something goes wrong. In my scenario, their ship dropped out of warp [i.e. hyperspace] in a place in the Alpha Centauri system where there SHOULD have been a planet... but, instead, there was a BLACK HOLE. Somebody destroyed a world, causing all of its mass to be compressed into a singularity -- a fastly-spinning flattened spheroid of bent-space orbiting along the same trajectory it had revolved around when it had been a planet.

For some reason, the SHIP-TIME and EARTH-TIME chronometers were resynchronized to read the SAME time. The SHIP-TIME date [which had clicked ahead only about 2.41 days from its mid-October 1971 date] is RE-SET to match the EARTH-TIME date of 8-19-1980. It is AT THIS MOMENT when the Flight Record information which we see in the opening credits begins, with BOTH clocks reading "AUG-19-1980" .

That's how I interpret this on-screen information, anyway.

Did Virdon "volunteer to never see his family again"? Not necessarily. He volunteered to go on a space voyage -- the FIRST to another star system -- knowing that if all went as planned, he would age ONE WEEK, returning to a wife and son who had aged 17 years and 8 months. Jones, too, would've volunteered for the same deal, leaving behind family who would age almost 18 years during the time he was gone for only one week.

Let's suppose... just for the sake of discussion, here... that Virdon was about 38 years old (just as Ron Harper, who played him, was 38 years old during the production of the TV show) when he and Burke (and Jones) left Earth in mid-October of 1971. That would mean that he was born circa 1933, and would've been 12 years old when World War Two ended.

How old was his wife Sally?

If Virdon was 38 years old when he went on his trip to Alpha Centauri, and if he expected to get back to Earth some 17 years 8 months later (and only 1 week older himself), then his wife -- IF she had been the same age as he was BEFORE he left Earth -- would wind up being almost 18 years older than him. He, a 38-year-old man, would return to a 55-year-old woman. IF, that is, she had been born about the same time he was born.

According to Rich Handley's book [page 10], Kraik was 12 or 13 years old (according to the script for "THE LEGACY"). Assuming that Chris was "about your age" [as Virdon says to Kraik, regarding his own son] when Virdon left Earth, then Chris -- in my scenario -- had to have been born around 1958 or 1959. Let's round it to 1959, making Chris Virdon 12 years old when his dad leaves for Alpha Centauri, having been conceived about 13 years before. Let's assume that Alan impregnated Sally on their honeymoon. That means they got married in 1958, Chris being born the next year (1959) and thence aging another 12 years by the time October of 1971 happens.

If Alan Virdon got married in 1958 and if he was as old in October 1971 as Ron Harper was when they shot the series [38 years of age], that means that Alan Virdon was 25 years old when he married Sally and impregnated her on their honeymoon.

Let's assume that Virdon waited until his sweetheart was legally an adult when he married her, aged 18. If she was 18 years old when they got married in 1958, that means that she would've been born in 1940, making her 7 years younger than her husband.

Working with these assumptions, then, Sally would've been born in 1940... married to Alan in 1958... given birth to Chris in 1959... been 31 years old when Alan left Earth on the Alpha Centauri trip... and would be 48 or 49 years old when Alan was slated to return to Earth, if all went according to plan.

Alan Virdon, if he were aged 38 years when he left Earth in 1971, would return to Earth as a 38-years-old man, to a wife who is now 48 or 49 years old. Before his trip, he was 7 years older than she was; when he returns, she is 10 years older than he is.

His one-week-of- SHIPTIME experience is equivalent to almost 18 years for her and their son. His 12-year-old son would've become his 30-year-old son, only 8 years his junior, rather than 26 years.

So, Virdon wouldn't have volunteered to NEVER see his family again. He would've volunteered to skip over a 17-year 8-month gap in EARTH-TIME, returning to a family that much older than they had been when he left. He would have expected his 31-year-old wife to have become a 48-year-old woman upon his return. And his 12-year-old son would've grown up to become a 30-year-old man.

Admittedly, that's one hell of a decision for a family man to make. What could possibly draw a family man like Virdon to make such a decision?

The chance to make history. To be the commander of the first interstellar voyage in human history, to the nearest -- possibly inhabited -- star system, the binary Alpha Centauri. Virdon had to weigh in the balance his situation as a husband and father... and his career as an astronaut. Perhaps he had joined the Air Force in the 1950s... but then, in 1957, the Space Race began when Russia sent up the first SPUTNIK. So, Alan transferred from the Air Force over to NASA to become one of the "Right Stuff" types, anticipating that he might just get to ride rockets up to Earth orbit and back... maybe help build America's first space station some time in the 1970's... maybe be one of the astronauts who will ultimately go to the Moon, maybe even to help build a lunar colony. But he never DREAMS of ever actually being given the opportunity to "rocket" out to another star system, since it would take tens of thousands of years to fly a rocket even to the nearest star.

But then Hasslein invents a hyperdrive that will enable the U.S.A. to send out missions to the nearest star systems -- and to one particular far-off star system 320 lightyears away. Virdon's expertise as an Air Force commander and as a NASA astronaut make him eligible for inclusion in the U.S.A.'s secret ANSA program to travel to other star systems -- far ahead of the Russians, who are to be kept in the dark about the Hasslein Hyperdrive.

So, Virdon weighs the pros and cons. If he stays behind with Sally and Chris, he misses a chance to be the FIRST man to fly to another star system -- perhaps to stand on another inhabited planet and make First Contact with whomever lives there. If he goes on the voyage... he misses out on almost 18 years of family life with his wife and son.

Would Sally stay faithful to him, knowing he won't return until 1989, almost 18 years later -- IF all goes according to plan?

When Odysseus/Ulysses left Ithaka for the Trojan War, he didn't expect it to take 10 years to defeat the Trojans... and ANOTHER decade to get back home from Troy. He was forced to go on that excursion. Had he known it would take 20 years to return to his wife Penelope and their son Telemachus, would he have found some way to avoid going with Agamemnon & Co.?

Virdon is like Ulysses in that both left behind a wife and son. Ulysses returned after 20 years to a faithful wife. Perhaps Alan told his wife that he has a kind of duty to step-up-to-the- plate when his country calls on him. Sure, he COULD decline the opportunity. .. but if his country could call on "the Greatest Generation" to leave behind wives and children in order to fight -- and perhaps DIE -- to fight Fascism in Europe and East Asia... then isn't it similarly reasonable for Virdon to feel that he owes a similar duty to his country?

I could see Sally fretting that she hadn't bargained on her husband up-and-leaving for a trip to the nearest star and back, sacrificing almost 18 years of her life with him. And yet, test pilots for the Air Force... and rocket-jockeys for NASA... have dangerous jobs. The prospect of her husband DYING in a mishap rocket explosion must have been something that she had made her peace with. Her husband has a dangerous job, one that could easily make her a widow at any time.

Is it too much to expect her to be able to sacrifice TIME with him, when he just might successfully become the first human to reach another star?

Think of the brave folks serving their country overseas, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Think of the spouses they've left behind... whom they might never see again face-to-face except for in webcams connecting them to "home".

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility or probability that the Virdon family would make their peace with the notion that Alan -- a Colonel -- be afforded the opportunity to serve his country on a top-secret interstellar mission, leaving behind a dutiful, loving wife whom he trusts to stay faithful to him for nearly 18 years.

Maybe Alan left the decision to his wife. If she says "No, don't go" then he'll stay, perhaps regretting that he allowed her to make a decision that was at least a little bit selfish on her part. So, does she fear losing nearly 18 years of life with her husband at home MORE than she fears living the rest of her life with a husband that maybe regrets having lost the chance to accomplish something magnificent for his country?

Sally's willingness to let her beloved husband go off into outer space for almost 18 years, well, that says a lot about her character. Placing country over her own wishes and desires.

And, besides, IF all goes well, she'll get her husband back. And he'll be YOUNGER than she is when he returns. A man who had been 7 years older than she was will stop aging, effectively, to become a man about 10 years her junior. Might that not be a kind of perk?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52288	From: haydon.mark	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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need to stop reading between the lines, in escape from planet of the apes they thought they had got rid of any talking apes , so why would they think there would be???
What was the purpose of there mision????
Mark

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> Just watched the first three episodes the other day...
>
> WHY didn't B&V & Jonesy have BEARDS???
>
> and boy you can REALLY tell when Roddy wasn't there and his double was...it's SO obvious! They look nothing alike!!!
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Group: potadg	Message: 52289	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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WHAT?!?!?!

So (although I doubt the accuracy of this claim) this is a reason NOT to tackle or face another obscenely high reason for death?

COME ON PATRICK!

And you don’t think people ARE trying to do something about obesity-related food consumption? Even McDonalds had to do something about this after that documentary came out and they now offer SALADS for fuck’s sake!

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@ ...> wrote:

>
> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark

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*** Consider this: more people die from obesity-related food consumption every year than from gunfire.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52290	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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Who’s talking about BANNING Patrick?

Guns are not BANNED in Australia !

You just can’t get them without a good reason.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

And you mention CARS. Think about it silly – they are controlled! You have to LEARN how to use one. Get a LICENSE! What a silly argument Patrick!

Don’t put words in my mouth – I never said guns should be BANNED. I said it could make a difference to have tighter CONTROL. Your argument below about cars is actually AGREEING WITH ME!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@ ...> wrote:

>
> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark

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*** Consider this: more people die from obesity-related food consumption every year than from gunfire. Think of all those heart attacks... self-inflicted myocardial infarction.. . all because many people tend to take advantage of the Drive-Thru Fast Food alternative when it comes to diet. How many people grow up prone to obesity because their parents took them to eat at McDonalds rather than took the time to cook a healthy meal at home?

If anybody here really gives a damn about lowering the death-rate, hell, you'd save a helluva lot more people by banning trans-fats and MANDATING by LAW that "unhealthy" foods be banned.

Oh, and we could ban personal ownership of CARS, since auto-related deaths on our highways causes more deaths every year than premeditated murder. Think of all the lives that would be saved, if nobody were allowed to be at risk of becoming a red smear on the asphalt motorways. Let's ban all automobiles and force everybody to ride bicycles -- but only on roads, since too many dumbass teenagers are wrackin' their gonads doing fancy "trick" riding on their bikes, like all those idiots tryin' to skateboard down flights of concrete stairs and all that...

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 52291	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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You're wasting your breath Patrick.

Even though they try and tell themselves

they live in a democracy they don't. Maybe

it's some sort of democracy since most of them

feel exactly the same way. But even if they didn't

what are they going to do about it. The USA left being

subjects of the King, Queen or whatever monarch / tyrant

because we decide the people should run the government not

the other way around. They were not brought up to be in charge

of themselves. They need a government to tell them what to do a

and take care of them. If someone attacks them or their loved ones

they make a phone call. That seems to be the extent of their evolvement.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 11:18:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
>
> Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
> other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
> amount of murders you have in the USA?
>
> Are the UK governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?
>
> No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
> just nonsense.
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*** ARE they dictatorships at this moment? Nah. But consider this, Mike. Historically, the UK has mistreated Ireland, prompting angry disenfranchised irish folks to take up arms against what THEY considered to be oppression by the English against them. Now, mind you, I don't approve of every single vicious act of violence committed by the IRA, and I wish they could've successfully appealed to the "better angels" of the English powers-that- be that they fought against.

But the "problem" in Ireland -- from the point-of-view of the IRA and those who supported them -- didn't stand a chance of resolution UNTIL THE I.R.A. FOUGHT BACK AGAINST THE ENGLISH.

Oh, it's easy to just label the IRA a "terrorist" group, as if all they ever cared about was committing acts of "ultra-violence" like the droogies in "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE"... but the Irish freedom-fighters who took up arms against the English who had been exploiting their emerald isle for CENTURIES did so out of a love of their own country and of their own people. If the Brits would've just treated the Irish better, then I'm sure the Irish would not have felt any need to stand up for their own rights.

Things are better in Ireland now. I hope they continue to get better.

As for Australia: is it a dictatorship? No. But it probably felt like one to the Aborigine peoples there. Did the British colonists who took over that continent treat the Aborigines well, Michael? Are you proud of what happened to the Natives there?

When H.G. Wells wrote "WAR OF THE WORLDS" the British Empire was at the height of its power, with colonial "possessions" all around the world. Isaac Asimov once wrote an essay about the subtext of Wells' novel, in which he claimed that Wells wrote a novel about an invasion of a British-controlled world in order to prompt Brits to think of what it must be like to be a "native" living in a "backwards" country that had been invaded, occupied, and RULED by the British. Think of the heartless way that the Martians slaughtered people living in England (with those death-rays), the man-made weapons USELESS against this technologically "superior" Race from Mars. The whole point of that scenario was to compare it to what it was like for the indigenous peoples of Australia and India (etc etc) to be helpless in the face of the superior armaments of the British.

Is the UK a dictatorship AT THIS MOMENT? Is Australia? At this moment... not so much. But HISTORICALLY. .. from the viewpoint of the oppressed native peoples, YES! What the UK did to native peoples was a form of cultural RAPE, committed at gunpoint against weaker folks who couldn't fight back because they didn't have the means to do so.

Ask yourself this, Mike: If the Aborigines had had their own firearms and cannons (etc), would they have been so easily robbed of their lands by your ancestors? I've asked the same question of myself and of my own ancestors in regards to the Native American tribes, and I'm convinced that the ONLY thing that allowed the White Race to "conquer" America from sea to shining sea was RACISM-plus- superior- weapons. The Natives were FORCED to go on their "trail-of-tears" ... and that WOULDN'T have happened if they had had a level playing field: if they had had equivalent armaments to defend themselves with. There are religious types in America who believe -- sincerely -- that God GAVE America to the Anglo-Saxon peoples... that this land was a divine GIFT to a population of people who (according to the theological notion) were lineal descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Frankly, I think that theory is hogwash: America wasn't "given" to the WASPs by God-In-Heaven. .. it was SEIZED at the point of a gun. Unless that's the way that God "works" -- in not-so-mysterious ways...

If you want to wax all high-and-mighty about the UK and Australia involving the Current Events issue of Gun Control, whilst conveniently ignoring the BLOODBATH OF HISTORY, well... so be it. Like it or not, the better-armed peoples have tended to come out on top, historically. Henry Vth of England -- with a smaller army -- defeated the French army at Agincourt because they had a superior weapon: the Longbow, made from yew-trees, which gave them greater range than the bows available to the French. You wouldn't know it by reading Shakespeare' s play "HENRY V", though both Olivier's and Branaugh's film versions depict the use of the longbow at that battle. The history of the smeggin' world is a litany of whole empires falling and being superceded by new empires... all due to ADVANCES IN ARMS. From the invention of the Bow-and-Arrow (which enables you to kill an enemy from a distance), to the development of STEEL (which enables you to cut lesser metal up like butter -- try using a bronze sword against a steel sword), to the development of the CHARIOT... the CATAPULT... the CANNON... the GUN... the GRENADE... NERVE-GAS... and the goddamned ATOMIC BOMB. In case you aren't familiar with this part of history, both the Nazis and the Japanese were working on Atom-Bomb projects during WWII... and the only reason they didn't use them first is because the Allies (i.e. the USA) invented it before them, having destroyed a heavy-water facility in Norway [which prevented the Nazis from being able to develop the fissionable materials needed to make a warhead] and a similar site in the Korean peninsula, where the Japanese were working on a nuke.

The world would've been a different place if the Manhattan Project had been derailed (say, by high-ranking officials who might've thought it a waste of time, that an atom-splitting bomb was "scientifically impossible" -- as Cornelius thought of Flight). Imagine if WWII had gone on another year... if the Nazis or the Japanese had had the time to make a nuclear bomb (or, several of 'em). Do you think they would've hesitated to use them? If it's WIN or LOSE...

Similarly, if the Aborigines had been able to counter British arms with equal [or even superior] might, would they have done so? I think so, and I think they would've been justified in doing so.

Lucky for your ancestors, the Aborigines weren't as technologically advanced. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Fish can't shoot back, now, can they?

Oh, but NOW it's all Happiness and Flowers and Kumbaya in Aussieland, ain't it? No mass murders THERE, isn't that right? Not any MORE, anyway. Except for the creep who -- using Fire, and not a Firearm -- killed over a hundred of your fellow citizens. Your own Prime Minister, I think it was, called the recent horrific arson-related deaths MASS MURDER. Jack the Ripper killed FIVE prostitutes a little over a century ago -- no gun involved. Just sharp implements. The prick who lit those fires became a killer with a bodycount over TWENTY TIMES AS HIGH.

Those hundred-plus victims are just as dead as any gun-crime victim. He killed more people than Jack the Ripper. Than the Zodiac Killer. Than the "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz. Than Cho Seung-Hui [who committed the Virginia Tech massacre].

The hijackers on 9/11 didn't have guns. They used BOX-CUTTERS to seize control of the planes, then used those fuel-filled airplanes as missiles to kill some THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Just ONE DAY, and we had a bodycount of 3,000 -- not one of those casualties involving the illegal use of a gun.

Yet you seem to think that the Solution to this problem is to take away all the guns from all the people. Only police officers and armed forces personnel would legally have guns then. Oh, and all the criminals who will find a way to get them -- that's what black markets are for, after all. I'm sure the people who were being murdered in Mumbai recently by armed criminals (from Pakistan) were edified to know that Gun Control saved them... until it DIDN'T.

Didja ever see "FULL METAL JACKET"? What did the Drill Instructor say? Something like, "It isn't the gun that kills. It's the HARD HEART that kills." Boot camp is a place where "maggots" are turned into Killers. The dude played by Vincent D'onofrio -- at the start of the film -- couldn't have killed (or even HARMED) anybody: he was as innocent as a Lamb. But, after being subjected to abuse by the Drill Instructor and by his own fellow "maggots"... his heart becomes hardened. In his words, "I am... in a world... of SHIT!"

The solution to Mankind's tendency to commit Murder... is it in banning the Weapons used in the murders? Or is it in finding some way to prevent the human heart from becoming hardened by hatred?

Remember what Zira said about Gorillas? "Gorillas are CRUEL because they're STUPID! All bone and little brain." She recommended wet-nursing gorilla babies on "the milk of kindness" (i.e. Chimpanzee breastmilk) rather than on the "bile" that is Gorilla breastmilk. I'd bet that most of the racist KKK-types in the Deep South were RAISED to be that way, by racist parents. The only way we'll ever get beyond the hatreds of the past is if we keep waving the Flags of Discontent and never trust anybody over 30.

And I say this as a guy who just turned 44 years old on March 1st!

We have to encourage the younger generation to QUESTION everything they've been taught by their elders. That includes a healthy debate about Guns, gun control, the propensity for Human Beings to commit atrocities against fellow Human Beings, everything.

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 52292	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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Okay, that's just creepy.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 11:33:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark

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Group: potadg	Message: 52293	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Golden Boy of the Class of '72

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She's just a plot device. You don't send Men on a one way mission

without a little female companionship. Now how are you going to

introduce the very feral Nova if Stewart is along? Kill her off in the

first reel. Dodge and Landon were only there for exposition and

shock value. Kill 'em off in the first reel. then bring one back

with a fate worse than death for shock value. Simple plot device.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 12:22:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

SHE WAS TO BE THE NEW EVE... WITH OUR HOT-AND-EAGER HELP, OF COURSE..."

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Group: potadg	Message: 52294	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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No, YOU are creepy.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Okay, that's just creepy.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 11:33:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilto n@... writes:

> Just to let you know most murders or prefered weapon of choice for
> women to murder is actually poison ( fact ) now drink your tea
> patrick ( only kidding! )
> Mark

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Group: potadg	Message: 52295	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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*** Like hunting kangaroos in the Outback... ***

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:01:16 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

Guns are not BANNED in Australia ! You just can't get them without a good reason.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52296	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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You really are an idiot T.

I get requests from people all the time to remove you from the group.

I refuse to do so and these people usually end up leaving.

Some of these people are very important POTA personalities.

I have asked you nicely, now I’ve told you in not such a nice manner too.

Go and set up a group if you want this to continue and I’ll advertise the group location here. That’s allowing you your freedom of speech, but not in this location.

One more word from you on this topic on this group and you are gone and I won’t let you rejoin.

You’ve bullied people here long enough – my turn now to bully you.

Shoot me!

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

You're wasting your breath Patrick.

Even though they try and tell themselves

they live in a democracy they don't. Maybe

it's some sort of democracy since most of them

feel exactly the same way. But even if they didn't

what are they going to do about it. The USA left being

subjects of the King, Queen or whatever monarch / tyrant

because we decide the people should run the government not

the other way around. They were not brought up to be in charge

of themselves. They need a government to tell them what to do a

and take care of them. If someone attacks them or their loved ones

they make a phone call. That seems to be the extent of their evolvement.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 11:18:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilto n@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:
>
> Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
> other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
> amount of murders you have in the USA ?
>
> Are the UK governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?
>
> No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
> just nonsense.
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

*** ARE they dictatorships at this moment? Nah. But consider this, Mike. Historically, the UK has mistreated Ireland , prompting angry disenfranchised irish folks to take up arms against what THEY considered to be oppression by the English against them. Now, mind you, I don't approve of every single vicious act of violence committed by the IRA, and I wish they could've successfully appealed to the "better angels" of the English powers-that- be that they fought against.

But the "problem" in Ireland -- from the point-of-view of the IRA and those who supported them -- didn't stand a chance of resolution UNTIL THE I.R.A. FOUGHT BACK AGAINST THE ENGLISH.

Oh, it's easy to just label the IRA a "terrorist" group, as if all they ever cared about was committing acts of "ultra-violence" like the droogies in "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE"... but the Irish freedom-fighters who took up arms against the English who had been exploiting their emerald isle for CENTURIES did so out of a love of their own country and of their own people. If the Brits would've just treated the Irish better, then I'm sure the Irish would not have felt any need to stand up for their own rights.

Things are better in Ireland now. I hope they continue to get better.

As for Australia : is it a dictatorship? No. But it probably felt like one to the Aborigine peoples there. Did the British colonists who took over that continent treat the Aborigines well, Michael? Are you proud of what happened to the Natives there?

When H.G. Wells wrote "WAR OF THE WORLDS" the British Empire was at the height of its power, with colonial "possessions" all around the world. Isaac Asimov once wrote an essay about the subtext of Wells' novel, in which he claimed that Wells wrote a novel about an invasion of a British-controlled world in order to prompt Brits to think of what it must be like to be a "native" living in a "backwards" country that had been invaded, occupied, and RULED by the British. Think of the heartless way that the Martians slaughtered people living in England (with those death-rays), the man-made weapons USELESS against this technologically "superior" Race from Mars. The whole point of that scenario was to compare it to what it was like for the indigenous peoples of Australia and India (etc etc) to be helpless in the face of the superior armaments of the British.

Is the UK a dictatorship AT THIS MOMENT? Is Australia ? At this moment... not so much. But HISTORICALLY. .. from the viewpoint of the oppressed native peoples, YES! What the UK did to native peoples was a form of cultural RAPE, committed at gunpoint against weaker folks who couldn't fight back because they didn't have the means to do so.

Ask yourself this, Mike: If the Aborigines had had their own firearms and cannons (etc), would they have been so easily robbed of their lands by your ancestors? I've asked the same question of myself and of my own ancestors in regards to the Native American tribes, and I'm convinced that the ONLY thing that allowed the White Race to "conquer" America from sea to shining sea was RACISM-plus- superior- weapons. The Natives were FORCED to go on their "trail-of-tears" ... and that WOULDN'T have happened if they had had a level playing field: if they had had equivalent armaments to defend themselves with. There are religious types in America who believe -- sincerely -- that God GAVE America to the Anglo-Saxon peoples... that this land was a divine GIFT to a population of people who (according to the theological notion) were lineal descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Frankly, I think that theory is hogwash: America wasn't "given" to the WASPs by God-In-Heaven. .. it was SEIZED at the point of a gun. Unless that's the way that God "works" -- in not-so-mysterious ways...

If you want to wax all high-and-mighty about the UK and Australia involving the Current Events issue of Gun Control, whilst conveniently ignoring the BLOODBATH OF HISTORY, well... so be it. Like it or not, the better-armed peoples have tended to come out on top, historically. Henry Vth of England -- with a smaller army -- defeated the French army at Agincourt because they had a superior weapon: the Longbow, made from yew-trees, which gave them greater range than the bows available to the French. You wouldn't know it by reading Shakespeare' s play "HENRY V", though both Olivier's and Branaugh's film versions depict the use of the longbow at that battle. The history of the smeggin' world is a litany of whole empires falling and being superceded by new empires... all due to ADVANCES IN ARMS. From the invention of the Bow-and-Arrow (which enables you to kill an enemy from a distance), to the development of STEEL (which enables you to cut lesser metal up like butter -- try using a bronze sword against a steel sword), to the development of the CHARIOT... the CATAPULT... the CANNON... the GUN... the GRENADE... NERVE-GAS... and the goddamned ATOMIC BOMB. In case you aren't familiar with this part of history, both the Nazis and the Japanese were working on Atom-Bomb projects during WWII... and the only reason they didn't use them first is because the Allies (i.e. the USA) invented it before them, having destroyed a heavy-water facility in Norway [which prevented the Nazis from being able to develop the fissionable materials needed to make a warhead] and a similar site in the Korean peninsula, where the Japanese were working on a nuke.

The world would've been a different place if the Manhattan Project had been derailed (say, by high-ranking officials who might've thought it a waste of time, that an atom-splitting bomb was "scientifically impossible" -- as Cornelius thought of Flight). Imagine if WWII had gone on another year... if the Nazis or the Japanese had had the time to make a nuclear bomb (or, several of 'em). Do you think they would've hesitated to use them? If it's WIN or LOSE...

Similarly, if the Aborigines had been able to counter British arms with equal [or even superior] might, would they have done so? I think so, and I think they would've been justified in doing so.

Lucky for your ancestors, the Aborigines weren't as technologically advanced. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Fish can't shoot back, now, can they?

Oh, but NOW it's all Happiness and Flowers and Kumbaya in Aussieland, ain't it? No mass murders THERE, isn't that right? Not any MORE, anyway. Except for the creep who -- using Fire, and not a Firearm -- killed over a hundred of your fellow citizens. Your own Prime Minister, I think it was, called the recent horrific arson-related deaths MASS MURDER. Jack the Ripper killed FIVE prostitutes a little over a century ago -- no gun involved. Just sharp implements. The prick who lit those fires became a killer with a bodycount over TWENTY TIMES AS HIGH.

Those hundred-plus victims are just as dead as any gun-crime victim. He killed more people than Jack the Ripper. Than the Zodiac Killer. Than the "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz. Than Cho Seung-Hui [who committed the Virginia Tech massacre].

The hijackers on 9/11 didn't have guns. They used BOX-CUTTERS to seize control of the planes, then used those fuel-filled airplanes as missiles to kill some THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Just ONE DAY, and we had a bodycount of 3,000 -- not one of those casualties involving the illegal use of a gun.

Yet you seem to think that the Solution to this problem is to take away all the guns from all the people. Only police officers and armed forces personnel would legally have guns then. Oh, and all the criminals who will find a way to get them -- that's what black markets are for, after all. I'm sure the people who were being murdered in Mumbai recently by armed criminals (from Pakistan ) were edified to know that Gun Control saved them... until it DIDN'T.

Didja ever see "FULL METAL JACKET"? What did the Drill Instructor say? Something like, "It isn't the gun that kills. It's the HARD HEART that kills." Boot camp is a place where "maggots" are turned into Killers. The dude played by Vincent D'onofrio -- at the start of the film -- couldn't have killed (or even HARMED) anybody: he was as innocent as a Lamb. But, after being subjected to abuse by the Drill Instructor and by his own fellow "maggots"... his heart becomes hardened. In his words, "I am... in a world... of SHIT!"

The solution to Mankind's tendency to commit Murder... is it in banning the Weapons used in the murders? Or is it in finding some way to prevent the human heart from becoming hardened by hatred?

Remember what Zira said about Gorillas? "Gorillas are CRUEL because they're STUPID! All bone and little brain." She recommended wet-nursing gorilla babies on "the milk of kindness" (i.e. Chimpanzee breastmilk) rather than on the "bile" that is Gorilla breastmilk. I'd bet that most of the racist KKK-types in the Deep South were RAISED to be that way, by racist parents. The only way we'll ever get beyond the hatreds of the past is if we keep waving the Flags of Discontent and never trust anybody over 30.

And I say this as a guy who just turned 44 years old on March 1st!

We have to encourage the younger generation to QUESTION everything they've been taught by their elders. That includes a healthy debate about Guns, gun control, the propensity for Human Beings to commit atrocities against fellow Human Beings, everything.

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 52297	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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And you DO live in a democracy right? Where cockheads like George Bush control everything because they have all the money. Wake up you idiot.

You're wasting your breath Patrick.

Even though they try and tell themselves

they live in a democracy they don't

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Group: potadg	Message: 52298	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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Absolute rubbish Patrick – to the point I won’t even bother arguing.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@ ...> wrote:

>
> Talk about stupidly put, Patrick, then how the fuck come so many
> other fucking nations are going just fine and have NOTHING like the
> amount of murders you have in the

w:st="on">USA ?

>
> Are the UK

governments and the Aussie government dictatorships?

>
> No Patrick and your argument is ridiculous. Sorry buddy but it's
> just nonsense.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

*** ARE they dictatorships at this moment? Nah. But consider this, Mike. Historically, the UK has mistreated Ireland , prompting angry disenfranchised irish folks to take up arms against what THEY considered to be oppression by the English against them. Now, mind you, I don't approve of every single vicious act of violence committed by the IRA, and I wish they could've successfully appealed to the "better angels" of the English powers-that- be that they fought against.

But the "problem" in Ireland -- from the point-of-view of the IRA and those who supported them -- didn't stand a chance of resolution UNTIL THE I.R.A. FOUGHT BACK AGAINST THE ENGLISH.

Oh, it's easy to just label the IRA a "terrorist" group, as if all they ever cared about was committing acts of "ultra-violence" like the droogies in "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE"... but the Irish freedom-fighters who took up arms against the English who had been exploiting their emerald isle for CENTURIES did so out of a love of their own country and of their own people. If the Brits would've just treated the Irish better, then I'm sure the Irish would not have felt any need to stand up for their own rights.

Things are better in Ireland now. I hope they continue to get better.

As for Australia : is it a dictatorship? No. But it probably felt like one to the Aborigine peoples there. Did the British colonists who took over that continent treat the Aborigines well, Michael? Are you proud of what happened to the Natives there?

When H.G. Wells wrote "WAR OF THE WORLDS" the British Empire was at the height of its power, with colonial "possessions" all around the world. Isaac Asimov once wrote an essay about the subtext of Wells' novel, in which he claimed that Wells wrote a novel about an invasion of a British-controlled world in order to prompt Brits to think of what it must be like to be a "native" living in a "backwards" country that had been invaded, occupied, and RULED by the British. Think of the heartless way that the Martians slaughtered people living in England (with those death-rays), the man-made weapons USELESS against this technologically "superior" Race from Mars. The whole point of that scenario was to compare it to what it was like for the indigenous peoples of Australia and India (etc etc) to be helpless in the face of the superior armaments of the British.

Is the UK a dictatorship AT THIS MOMENT? Is Australia ? At this moment... not so much. But HISTORICALLY. .. from the viewpoint of the oppressed native peoples, YES! What the UK did to native peoples was a form of cultural RAPE, committed at gunpoint against weaker folks who couldn't fight back because they didn't have the means to do so.

Ask yourself this, Mike: If the Aborigines had had their own firearms and cannons (etc), would they have been so easily robbed of their lands by your ancestors? I've asked the same question of myself and of my own ancestors in regards to the Native American tribes, and I'm convinced that the ONLY thing that allowed the White Race to "conquer" America from sea to shining sea was RACISM-plus- superior- weapons. The Natives were FORCED to go on their "trail-of-tears" ... and that WOULDN'T have happened if they had had a level playing field: if they had had equivalent armaments to defend themselves with. There are religious types in America who believe -- sincerely -- that God GAVE America to the Anglo-Saxon peoples... that this land was a divine GIFT to a population of people who (according to the theological notion) were lineal descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Frankly, I think that theory is hogwash: America wasn't "given" to the WASPs by God-In-Heaven. .. it was SEIZED at the point of a gun. Unless that's the way that God "works" -- in not-so-mysterious ways...

If you want to wax all high-and-mighty about the UK and Australia involving the Current Events issue of Gun Control, whilst conveniently ignoring the BLOODBATH OF HISTORY, well... so be it. Like it or not, the better-armed peoples have tended to come out on top, historically. Henry Vth of England -- with a smaller army -- defeated the French army at Agincourt because they had a superior weapon: the Longbow, made from yew-trees, which gave them greater range than the bows available to the French. You wouldn't know it by reading Shakespeare' s play "HENRY V", though both Olivier's and Branaugh's film versions depict the use of the longbow at that battle. The history of the smeggin' world is a litany of whole empires falling and being superceded by new empires... all due to ADVANCES IN ARMS. From the invention of the Bow-and-Arrow (which enables you to kill an enemy from a distance), to the development of STEEL (which enables you to cut lesser metal up like butter -- try using a bronze sword against a steel sword), to the development of the CHARIOT... the CATAPULT... the CANNON... the GUN... the GRENADE... NERVE-GAS... and the goddamned ATOMIC BOMB. In case you aren't familiar with this part of history, both the Nazis and the Japanese were working on Atom-Bomb projects during WWII... and the only reason they didn't use them first is because the Allies (i.e. the USA) invented it before them, having destroyed a heavy-water facility in Norway [which prevented the Nazis from being able to develop the fissionable materials needed to make a warhead] and a similar site in the Korean peninsula, where the Japanese were working on a nuke.

The world would've been a different place if the Manhattan Project had been derailed (say, by high-ranking officials who might've thought it a waste of time, that an atom-splitting bomb was "scientifically impossible" -- as Cornelius thought of Flight). Imagine if WWII had gone on another year... if the Nazis or the Japanese had had the time to make a nuclear bomb (or, several of 'em). Do you think they would've hesitated to use them? If it's WIN or LOSE...

Similarly, if the Aborigines had been able to counter British arms with equal [or even superior] might, would they have done so? I think so, and I think they would've been justified in doing so.

Lucky for your ancestors, the Aborigines weren't as technologically advanced. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Fish can't shoot back, now, can they?

Oh, but NOW it's all Happiness and Flowers and Kumbaya in Aussieland, ain't it? No mass murders THERE, isn't that right? Not any MORE, anyway. Except for the creep who -- using Fire, and not a Firearm -- killed over a hundred of your fellow citizens. Your own Prime Minister, I think it was, called the recent horrific arson-related deaths MASS MURDER. Jack the Ripper killed FIVE prostitutes a little over a century ago -- no gun involved. Just sharp implements. The prick who lit those fires became a killer with a bodycount over TWENTY TIMES AS HIGH.

Those hundred-plus victims are just as dead as any gun-crime victim. He killed more people than Jack the Ripper. Than the Zodiac Killer. Than the "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz. Than Cho Seung-Hui [who committed the Virginia Tech massacre].

The hijackers on 9/11 didn't have guns. They used BOX-CUTTERS to seize control of the planes, then used those fuel-filled airplanes as missiles to kill some THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Just ONE DAY, and we had a bodycount of 3,000 -- not one of those casualties involving the illegal use of a gun.

Yet you seem to think that the Solution to this problem is to take away all the guns from all the people. Only police officers and armed forces personnel would legally have guns then. Oh, and all the criminals who will find a way to get them -- that's what black markets are for, after all. I'm sure the people who were being murdered in Mumbai recently by armed criminals (from Pakistan ) were edified to know that Gun Control saved them... until it DIDN'T.

Didja ever see "FULL METAL JACKET"? What did the Drill Instructor say? Something like, "It isn't the gun that kills. It's the HARD HEART that kills." Boot camp is a place where "maggots" are turned into Killers. The dude played by Vincent D'onofrio -- at the start of the film -- couldn't have killed (or even HARMED) anybody: he was as innocent as a Lamb. But, after being subjected to abuse by the Drill Instructor and by his own fellow "maggots"... his heart becomes hardened. In his words, "I am... in a world... of SHIT!"

The solution to Mankind's tendency to commit Murder... is it in banning the Weapons used in the murders? Or is it in finding some way to prevent the human heart from becoming hardened by hatred?

Remember what Zira said about Gorillas? "Gorillas are CRUEL because they're STUPID! All bone and little brain." She recommended wet-nursing gorilla babies on "the milk of kindness" (i.e. Chimpanzee breastmilk) rather than on the "bile" that is Gorilla breastmilk. I'd bet that most of the racist KKK-types in the Deep South were RAISED to be that way, by racist parents. The only way we'll ever get beyond the hatreds of the past is if we keep waving the Flags of Discontent and never trust anybody over 30.

And I say this as a guy who just turned 44 years old on March 1st!

We have to encourage the younger generation to QUESTION everything they've been taught by their elders. That includes a healthy debate about Guns, gun control, the propensity for Human Beings to commit atrocities against fellow Human Beings, everything.

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 52299	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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So which ones do you approve of then?

And please be a bit more thoughtful when spouting off any more rubbish about the IRA on this forum please. I have relatives who served in the army in Northern Ireland in the 70's and I believe they are a bit more informed about what went on than you think you are.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Now, mind you, I don't approve of every single vicious act of violence committed by the IRA,

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Group: potadg	Message: 52300	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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That’s a possible reason and they are not hunted they are culled because they are pests.

If you want a gun here you apply for it. If you apply for an AK47 to shoot at a target range, chances are you won’t get one…

Makes sense to me.

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:23 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

*** Like hunting kangaroos in the Outback... ***

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:01:16 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

Guns are not BANNED in Australia ! You just can’t get them without a good reason.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52301	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

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The IRA became extremists and killed innocent people.

Anyone who thinks this is OK in any context – get the fuck off this group.

Patrick, I know that’s NOT what you are saying but damn you are going close.

Now – anyone who wants to discuss guns and or the IRA please set up a group.

I’ll let the DG know about your group and anyone who wants to can join you group but right now, please let’s get back to POTA.

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

So which ones do you approve of then?

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilto n
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Places with gun control have fewer murders.

Now, mind you, I don't approve of every single vicious act of violence committed by the IRA,

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Group: potadg	Message: 52302	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Booth Coleman's Birthday

Date:		Sunday March 8, 2009
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Group: potadg	Message: 52303	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Anniversary Reminder

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		POTA Makeup Test

Date:		Sunday March 8, 2009
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
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Group: potadg	Message: 52304	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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In a message dated 3/7/09 10:30:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

get requests from people all the time to remove you from the group.

*** I'm not LordT, but I'd like to know on what grounds are they bitching about him? He's no better or worse than anyone else on here... And you know what's funny, if you're getting a lot of people bitching about him, they probably post very little, if at all... At least T posts and doesn't expect everyone else to do it all. ***

I refuse to do so and these people usually end up leaving.

*** I'm probably going to leave, because I'm getting tired of gun posts and Watcher posts, not because of one person whom I may or may not agree with... If I was basing my (possible) leaving on one person, I would have left a long time ago... And that one isn't LordT... ***

Some of these people are very important POTA personalities

*** Who could they be? There's like 6 people that post at all, and Ty or Brian from APEMANIA aren't even on here most of the time, so they're not the "important personalities"... There are no "important personalities" here. All of the important APES personalities are either dead or living more or less private lives in retirement, they're not on any of these egroups. ***

You've bullied people here long enough – my turn now to bully you.

*** I don't see where T has ever bullied anyone... He's got a strong opinion, that's all... He's not sitting there saying anything that isn't being said to him from the opposing viewpoint. By that I mean if the opposing POV says "you're an idiot," he may say the same thing back or vice versa. Nobody is bullying anyone but a lot of people are pissing people off with this gun shit. LordT is NOT the sole person keeping this going... It takes at least two to keep any topic going, otherwise you're just talking to yourself, and from all I've seen from the start, T is NOT the only one doing any posting/rebuttals. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52305	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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*** And actually, I can't think of anyone on here right now that would be the cause of anyone leaving... ***

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:55:42 PM Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** I'm probably going to leave, because I'm getting tired of gun posts and Watcher posts, not because of one person whom I may or may not agree with... If I was basing my (possible) leaving on one person, I would have left a long time ago... And that one isn't LordT... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52306	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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Very good point Tim. Also how come they weren't in suspended animation chambers?

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Just watched the first three episodes the other day...

WHY didn't B&V & Jonesy have BEARDS???

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Group: potadg	Message: 52307	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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So are you calling me a liar?

I’m not going to announce them here so believe me or don’t.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

*** And actually, I can't think of anyone on here right now that would be the cause of anyone leaving... ***

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:55:42 PM Central Standard Time, mlccougar@aol. com writes:

*** I'm probably going to leave, because I'm getting tired of gun posts and Watcher posts, not because of one person whom I may or may not agree with... If I was basing my (possible) leaving on one person, I would have left a long time ago... And that one isn't LordT... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52308	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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Technology must have really advanced since Taylor!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Very good point Tim. Also how come they weren't in suspended animation chambers?

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

Just watched the first three episodes the other day...

WHY didn't B&V & Jonesy have BEARDS???

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Group: potadg	Message: 52309	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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You answer your own question here Mike! A lot of it is the “Gun Control” posts and the incapacity to take it elsewhere.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:30:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

get requests from people all the time to remove you from the group.

*** I'm not LordT, but I'd like to know on what grounds are they bitching about him? He's no better or worse than anyone else on here... And you know what's funny, if you're getting a lot of people bitching about him, they probably post very little, if at all... At least T posts and doesn't expect everyone else to do it all. ***

I refuse to do so and these people usually end up leaving.

*** I'm probably going to leave, because I'm getting tired of gun posts and Watcher posts, not because of one person whom I may or may not agree with... If I was basing my (possible) leaving on one person, I would have left a long time ago... And that one isn't LordT... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52310	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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It just has to stop – now.

No loss of freedom of speech – just take it elsewhere.

I even offered to advertise the new group.

Wanna guess how many members he’ll get?

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Group: potadg	Message: 52311	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - yikes it makes even LESS sense!

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In a message dated 3/7/09 11:03:39 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Also how come they (the TV astronauts) weren't in suspended animation chambers?

*** A scenario that might explain it is that they hit the radio-active turbulance while they were awake and if the ship had sleep chambers, they wouldn't have been in them while they were working. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52312	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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In a message dated 3/7/09 11:14:43 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

So are you calling me a liar?

*** I'm not calling you anything... All I'm saying is the ones pouting to you probably don't post anyway so if they'd leave, we'd be losing what: Silence? ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52313	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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In a message dated 3/7/09 11:17:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

A lot of it is the "Gun Control" posts and the incapacity to take it elsewhere.

*** This gun thing has only been within the last few weeks... Maybe I read your post wrong, but it gave me the impression that people have been crying about T for years. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52314	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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Mike

The reason they don’t post is T.

So they say anyway.

Michael

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Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

In a message dated 3/7/09 11:14:43 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

So are you calling me a liar?

*** I'm not calling you anything... All I'm saying is the ones pouting to you probably don't post anyway so if they'd leave, we'd be losing what: Silence? ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52315	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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In a message dated 3/7/09 11:39:28 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

The reason they don't post is T.

*** Well, that's just stupid, unless they're afraid of T knowing more about Kim Hunter than they do (and I'm sure T is the group Kim Hunter expert!).. There is somebody on here whom I don't like the way they do their posting but you don't see me not posting, I just try to work around them, annoying as it is. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52316	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

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Yes, the Authorised UK Annuals' stories are included.

Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

*** Are/were the TV series stories from the UK Annuals included in the book too? ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52317	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Just Don't Read Them

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Everyone is voicing their opinion. But mine is shot down.

I'm okay with that. I just want to throw my 2 cents in. I

for one don't usually read Pat's Posts. They're very detailed

and I usually don't agree with them, and don't really have the

time even if I did. So I just scroll to the bottom of very long

posts. They are usually Patrick's, and I usually delete them

unread. Sometimes it someone else. Often I delete those

unread as well. That would be my suggestion. Just don't

bother to read them. I won't be offended. Seems fair.

In a message dated 3/7/2009 11:17:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

You answer your own question here Mike! A lot of it is the "Gun Control" posts and the incapacity to take it elsewhere.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

In a message dated 3/7/09 10:30:45 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

get requests from people all the time to remove you from the group.

*** I'm not LordT, but I'd like to know on what grounds are they bitching about him? He's no better or worse than anyone else on here... And you know what's funny, if you're getting a lot of people bitching about him, they probably post very little, if at all... At least T posts and doesn't expect everyone else to do it all. ***

I refuse to do so and these people usually end up leaving.

*** I'm probably going to leave, because I'm getting tired of gun posts and Watcher posts, not because of one person whom I may or may not agree with... If I was basing my (possible) leaving on one person, I would have left a long time ago... And that one isn't LordT... ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52318	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Whitty's "Timeline" threads - what's in and what's out?

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In a message dated 3/8/09 12:17:54 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Yes, the Authorised UK Annuals' stories are included.

Cool

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Group: potadg	Message: 52319	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Just Don't Read Them

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*** I agree... The reason I said anything was because I'm tired of an APES group being anything but an APES group... I mean it was to the point where there'd be 35 posts, maybe one of which was anything to do with APES. ***

In a message dated 3/8/09 12:30:08 AM Central Standard Time, TZer0@... writes:

Just don't bother to read them. I won't be offended. Seems fair.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52320	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: It's Very POTA

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I think muzzling a point of view is very POTA.

That's what the trial scene was all about. It's

just that some people are cheering for the

Orangs and Gorillas. They like watching

Heston getting the crap beat out of him.

In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:33:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

*** I agree... The reason I said anything was because I'm tired of an APES group being anything but an APES group... I mean it was to the point where there'd be 35 posts, maybe one of which was anything to do with APES. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52321	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

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No body is muzzling anyone. You were asked to take your gun rantings that Mr. Cougar so abhors off this group that's all so don't now try and justify yourself by tagging it to POTA.

Neil

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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] It's Very POTA

I think muzzling a point of view is very POTA.

That's what the trial scene was all about. It's

just that some people are cheering for the

Orangs and Gorillas. They like watching

Heston getting the crap beat out of him.

In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:33:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@aol. com writes:

*** I agree... The reason I said anything was because I'm tired of an APES group being anything but an APES group... I mean it was to the point where there'd be 35 posts, maybe one of which was anything to do with APES. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52322	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

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*** I'm not the only one that doesn't like the gun debate... But I will agree, don't go getting all "POTA as American Myth" here tying a political debate to a film. (Whether you're right about APES having to do with censorship isn't the point, you know these type of groups are meant to discuss the films in general terms and not getting all "Eric Greene" about things.) ***

In a message dated 3/8/09 12:53:23 AM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

You were asked to take your gun rantings that Mr. Cougar so abhors off this group that's all so don't now try and justify yourself by tagging it to POTA.

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Group: potadg	Message: 52323	From: Neil Foster	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: It's Very POTA

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There's nothing wrong with "getting all "Eric Greene" about things" on this group if you so wish and I would hope we can discuss the films etc. in more than just "general terms".

Can't you see that Zero only posted that because he thinks he is being muzzled in some way because he was told to cease with the gun crap? It's his usual sort of tactic to keep it going and to try and get the last word in.

Neil

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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] It's Very POTA

(Whether you're right about APES having to do with censorship isn't the point, you know these type of groups are meant to discuss the films in general terms and not getting all "Eric Greene" about things.) ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52324	From: TZer0@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Happy To Be Wrong

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I'm happy to be wrong. I'm glad I was wrong. I was starting to get the idea that we could only talk about POTA as long as we didn't talk mention the guns in them. I don't want to cross the line or anything. I was talking about Man's Inhumanity To Man. The part about keeping his neighbors children starving, etc... And how all that talk didn't amount to much. Seems to me that Taylor's fellow humans weren't much better to him than the Apes, and they couldn't talk and didn't even have clubs. While the council had all that and more. But they would only let him say enough to use it against him. On the other hand, they were happy to give Cornelius & Zira enough rope to hang themselves. I think you have to have "discussion" about the issues in the subtext of POTA. If not, then POTADG is no better than James' Group. Then we can all just post things like "Ain't Talkin' Munkies Kool!' But I think we'd be missing the point, just like The Suits at Fox.

then you end up with that Burton fiasco. Gladiator With Gorillas. Throw in some snappy one liners with POTA references, a couple of messages about Slaves & Pets, and there you go! Instant Classic! ; )

In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:53:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

No body is muzzling anyone. You were asked to take your gun rantings that Mr. Cougar so abhors off this group that's all so don't now try and justify yourself by tagging it to POTA.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] It's Very POTA

I think muzzling a point of view is very POTA.

That's what the trial scene was all about. It's

just that some people are cheering for the

Orangs and Gorillas. They like watching

Heston getting the crap beat out of him.

In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:33:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@aol. com writes:

*** I agree... The reason I said anything was because I'm tired of an APES group being anything but an APES group... I mean it was to the point where there'd be 35 posts, maybe one of which was anything to do with APES. ***

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Group: potadg	Message: 52325	From: Michael & Sally Whitty	Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

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I didn’t say it makes sense, just how it is.

It was a lot worse with Rory the way he shot everyone down with a different opinion, but that’s how it is.

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT -- Please do not read if you live in a Nanny State

In a message dated 3/7/09 11:39:28 PM Central Standard Time, sallywhitty@ bigpond.com writes:

The reason they don’t post is T.

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