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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:40 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi

Bad, if you want them to think about the fans.

Who knows, maybe our input really isn't important - maybe it'e thelast thing he wants. He made it VERY clear I couldn't even send him a copy of Rich's book, which would HAVE to be the starting point for ANY POTA writing project because whether you agree or not Rich HAS ALL THE FACTS THERE! You can interpret them how you want, but there they are!

So let's hope he does watch, and gets all the flubs, and goes to the core and gets the SPIRIT of Planet of the Apes somehow.

I'm going to send a series of questions as an interview for THE FORBIDDEN ZINE but my guess is he will not respond which is really shit if you ask me.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
>
> So do we take their silence as a good thing or bad?!?
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of Michael & Sally Whitty
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:55 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I've been talking to Scott Frank through his assistant and in a
> nutshell - NOTHING!
>
>
>
> Or at least they are SAYING nothing.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of jessica rotich
> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 7:08 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am sure better than what Tim Burton did to the apes, which was to make
> sure to kill all hopes for a good apes movie. Wondering what's up with
> that Caesar movie that we hear about on occasion on the apevine.
>
> Jess.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@
> <mailto:sallywhitty @...> bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Shawshank and GM are 2 of my all time favourite movies - from my all
> time favourite author (Stephen King).
>
>
>
> I wonder what King and Darabont would do with apes?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com
> [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:12 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups. <mailto:pota@yahoogroups. com> com;
> PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com
> Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank Darabont, an acclaimed director ("The Shawshank Redemption" and
> "The Green Mile"), says the movie studios specifically shy away from
> "smart" movies. In particular, he's been trying to remake the sci-fi
> classic "Fahrenheit 451" for years: "Hollywood doesn't trust smart
> material. If you show them a really smart script. I actually had a
> studio head read the script and say, "Wow, that's the best and smartest
> script that I've read since running this studio but I can't possibly
> green light it" I asked why and he says, "How am I going to get
> 13-year-olds to show up at the theater?". "
>
> Darabont, a POTA fan, was one of the potential directors of what
> became POTA2001 but reportedly turned it down because he knew the studio
> was going in the wrong direction with the script.
>
> So who's at fault? The studios or the audience? Not an easy answer.
>
> http://www.comingso
> < http://www.comingso on.net/news/ movienews. php?id=56599>
> on.net/news/ movienews. php?id=56599
>

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It sounds confused....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> He seems to be distancing himself from POTA, like making it clear it's not "Conquest". Which doesn't make sense if Fox is all franchise crazy. If they can't promote it as POTA, what's the point from Fox's perspective? To create art? AH HA HA HA!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:40 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
> Bad, if you want them to think about the fans.
>
> Who knows, maybe our input really isn't important - maybe it'e thelast thing he wants. He made it VERY clear I couldn't even send him a copy of Rich's book, which would HAVE to be the starting point for ANY POTA writing project because whether you agree or not Rich HAS ALL THE FACTS THERE! You can interpret them how you want, but there they are!
>
> So let's hope he does watch, and gets all the flubs, and goes to the core and gets the SPIRIT of Planet of the Apes somehow.
>
> I'm going to send a series of questions as an interview for THE FORBIDDEN ZINE but my guess is he will not respond which is really shit if you ask me.
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > So do we take their silence as a good thing or bad?!?
> >
> > Neil T. Foster
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> > Of Michael & Sally Whitty
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:55 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I've been talking to Scott Frank through his assistant and in a
> > nutshell - NOTHING!
> >
> >
> >
> > Or at least they are SAYING nothing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> > Of jessica rotich
> > Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 7:08 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am sure better than what Tim Burton did to the apes, which was to make
> > sure to kill all hopes for a good apes movie. Wondering what's up with
> > that Caesar movie that we hear about on occasion on the apevine.
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@
> > <mailto:sallywhitty@> bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Shawshank and GM are 2 of my all time favourite movies - from my all
> > time favourite author (Stephen King).
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder what King and Darabont would do with apes?
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> com
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> com] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:12 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com> com;
> > PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank Darabont, an acclaimed director ("The Shawshank Redemption" and
> > "The Green Mile"), says the movie studios specifically shy away from
> > "smart" movies. In particular, he's been trying to remake the sci-fi
> > classic "Fahrenheit 451" for years: "Hollywood doesn't trust smart
> > material. If you show them a really smart script. I actually had a
> > studio head read the script and say, "Wow, that's the best and smartest
> > script that I've read since running this studio but I can't possibly
> > green light it" I asked why and he says, "How am I going to get
> > 13-year-olds to show up at the theater?". "
> >
> > Darabont, a POTA fan, was one of the potential directors of what
> > became POTA2001 but reportedly turned it down because he knew the studio
> > was going in the wrong direction with the script.
> >
> > So who's at fault? The studios or the audience? Not an easy answer.
> >
> > http://www.comingso
> > <http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56599>
> > on.net/news/movienews.php?id=56599
> >
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi

Bad, if you want them to think about the fans.

Who knows, maybe our input really isn't important - maybe it'e thelast thing he wants. He made it VERY clear I couldn't even send him a copy of Rich's book, which would HAVE to be the starting point for ANY POTA writing project because whether you agree or not Rich HAS ALL THE FACTS THERE! You can interpret them how you want, but there they are!

So let's hope he does watch, and gets all the flubs, and goes to the core and gets the SPIRIT of Planet of the Apes somehow.

I'm going to send a series of questions as an interview for THE FORBIDDEN ZINE but my guess is he will not respond which is really shit if you ask me.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@.. .> wrote:
>
> So do we take their silence as a good thing or bad?!?
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of Michael & Sally Whitty
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:55 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I've been talking to Scott Frank through his assistant and in a
> nutshell - NOTHING!
>
>
>
> Or at least they are SAYING nothing.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
> Of jessica rotich
> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 7:08 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am sure better than what Tim Burton did to the apes, which was to make
> sure to kill all hopes for a good apes movie. Wondering what's up with
> that Caesar movie that we hear about on occasion on the apevine.
>
> Jess.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@
> <mailto:sallywhitty @...> bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Shawshank and GM are 2 of my all time favourite movies - from my all
> time favourite author (Stephen King).
>
>
>
> I wonder what King and Darabont would do with apes?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com
> [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 2:12 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups. <mailto:pota@yahoogroups. com> com;
> PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups. com> com
> Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Darabont on studios and "smart" sci-fi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank Darabont, an acclaimed director ("The Shawshank Redemption" and
> "The Green Mile"), says the movie studios specifically shy away from
> "smart" movies. In particular, he's been trying to remake the sci-fi
> classic "Fahrenheit 451" for years: "Hollywood doesn't trust smart
> material. If you show them a really smart script. I actually had a
> studio head read the script and say, "Wow, that's the best and smartest
> script that I've read since running this studio but I can't possibly
> green light it" I asked why and he says, "How am I going to get
> 13-year-olds to show up at the theater?". "
>
> Darabont, a POTA fan, was one of the potential directors of what
> became POTA2001 but reportedly turned it down because he knew the studio
> was going in the wrong direction with the script.
>
> So who's at fault? The studios or the audience? Not an easy answer.
>
> http://www.comingso
> < http://www.comingso on.net/news/ movienews. php?id=56599>
> on.net/news/ movienews. php?id=56599
>

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Please fill in any number of responses that

will be deleted and get me banned again.

 

 

In a message dated 6/25/2009 4:57:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sallywhitty@... writes:

As long as you didn't choke on your LordT!  J

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...but a very pretty 'Zira'...

http://worldoflongmire.com/features/apes/planet7/zirrah.jpg

(that's from Longmire)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <sallywhitty@...> wrote:
>
> To make this ON topic I'll have to admit spanking a certain monkey whilst appreciating that poster....
>
> As I got older I realised she's probably the LEAST pretty out of all the angels, just that HAIR and overall LOOK.....oops, I did it again! :)
>
> Michael, the naughty monkey.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Damn, I loved that poster back in the seventies, RIP Farrah.
> >
> > Neil T. Foster
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
> > Of Tim "apefan"
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:56 AM
> > To: POTA; POTA DG
> > Subject: [PotaDG] RIP Farrah [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> > [Attachment(s) <> from Tim "apefan" included below]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > She certainly made my teenage years brighter!
> > Fly on home Angel!!
> >
>

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Well I'm shocked about this, I always thought Dave was a force for POTA
unity but it appears not. A scandal about the digital rape of me by
another fanzine seems to have brought out a one for all mentality in the
ranks of fanzinedom. Way to go Dave and thanks for no support
whatsoever.

Don't let the door slam behind you on the way out.

Neil T. Foster


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett 

 

>  What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ? 

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I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@... > wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods!  It gets more bleak every time I go out searching.  It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia.  It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher.  I feel like I'm the only ape in town. 

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self.  Are they as die-hard as me?  I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

 

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods!  It gets more bleak every time I go out searching.  It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia.  It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher.  I feel like I'm the only ape in town. 

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self.  Are they as die-hard as me?  I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

 

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

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They are into the gorillas. My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes. He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception. He's always trying to make himself a bandolier. He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster < ntfoster@...> wrote:

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

They are into the gorillas.  My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes.  He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception.  He's always trying to make himself a bandolier.  He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods!  It gets more bleak every time I go out searching.  It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia.  It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher.  I feel like I'm the only ape in town. 

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self.  Are they as die-hard as me?  I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

 

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

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I think that when Wondercon comes, and we are all in full ape regalia, they will be hooked. I already know that they will look spectacular. If Apemania cannot make their gorilla appliances, I'm going to make their appliances myself--going to get the whole kit and kaboodle, sculpt it, and then and bake the foam latex myself. Everything is still just a theory in my head, but when I get going, there's no stopping me. I will move mountains to make sure we are spectacular that day.

And then...since I will make sure that they have a wonderful time at Wondercon, I know that they won't mind flanking me for SDCC.

I know it's selfish...it's all just to make myself happy, but I so love Planet of the Apes and can't live without it.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Neil Foster < ntfoster@...> wrote:

Well that is heartening to hear. Let's hope they keep up their interest in Apes!

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

They are into the gorillas. My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes. He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception. He's always trying to make himself a bandolier. He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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Michael, it IS lonely because die hard fans are hard to come by. Imagine my excitement when I discovered the Yahoo groups on the internet!! WOW! There are OTHERS like me out there. It's just that I need to find a group of apes to go to town with. Maybe I'll find some at Wondercon.

I just need some apes who will commit to being in full ape regalia and doing fun things with me...I want to go to a basketball game in full ape gear, get front row seats, be on TV. I need apes in my area who will be brave enough to do this with me. I can't do it by myself. I need about 3 or 4 adult apes who are brave enough. I haven't found them yet, but I will. And when I find them, you will see us in the news. Why do I have to wait for a con? Why can't we just pick a date and go to town?

The other thing I've been thinking about is YouTube...I need a group of apes and we'll do something silly...like cook a meal from scratch and YouTube it...SOMETHING goofy and fun, but something to remember.


Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < sallywhitty@...> wrote:

WOW!

Keep recruiting!!!

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 9:18 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

They are into the gorillas. My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes. He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception. He's always trying to make himself a bandolier. He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster < ntfoster@...> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

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-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Michael, it IS lonely because die hard fans are hard to come by.  Imagine my excitement when I discovered the Yahoo groups on the internet!!  WOW!  There are OTHERS like me out there.  It's just that I need to find a group of apes to go to town with.  Maybe I'll find some at Wondercon. 

I just need some apes who will commit to being in full ape regalia and doing fun things with me...I want to go to a basketball game in full ape gear, get front row seats, be on TV.  I need apes in my area who will be brave enough to do this with me.  I can't do it by myself.  I need about 3 or 4 adult apes who are brave enough.  I haven't found them yet, but I will.  And when I find them, you will see us in the news.  Why do I have to wait for a con?  Why can't we just pick a date and go to town? 

The other thing I've been thinking about is YouTube...I need a group of apes and we'll do something silly...like cook a meal from scratch and YouTube it...SOMETHING goofy and fun, but something to remember.


Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@ bigpond.com> wrote:

WOW!

 

Keep recruiting!! !

 

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 9:18 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

 

They are into the gorillas.  My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes.  He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception.  He's always trying to make himself a bandolier.  He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

 

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods!  It gets more bleak every time I go out searching.  It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia.  It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher.  I feel like I'm the only ape in town. 

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self.  Are they as die-hard as me?  I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

 

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

 

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

Any thoughts ?

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: PofTAfan@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I would like to go out to Wondercon next year, but I always go to San Diego, I don't
know how many apes will show up at Comic-con this year, but I know one thing, i will
represent .

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods!  It gets more bleak every time I go out searching.  It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia.  It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher.  I feel like I'm the only ape in town. 

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self.  Are they as die-hard as me?  I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

 

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

 

Neil T. Foster

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

 

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going.   Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.  

 

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?     

 

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old.  Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away.    The past keeps getting swept under the rug.   Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

 

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

 

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

 

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices?     New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos.   Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ?   Its a new generation of fans we have to attract! 

 

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:23 PM, <PofTAfan@...> wrote:

I'll be a chimpanzee on Saturday, hope I see you there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I'll be a gorilla on Saturday

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From: PofTAfan@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I would like to go out to Wondercon next year, but I always go to San Diego, I don't
know how many apes will show up at Comic-con this year, but I know one thing, i will
represent .

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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From: PofTAfan@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett [2 Attachments]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM, <PofTAfan@...> wrote:

[ Attachment(s) from PofTAfan@... included below]

Actually, I have three painting that I had done in Korea back in 1985, I forgot about this one.

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From: PofTAfan@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett [2 Attachments]

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Jess.
I see no problem in loving Planet of the Apes, I love Planet of the apes so much
that my room is sort of a shrine to Dr. Zira, two paintings of Zira, including the "Blue Zira"
painting and the painting of a sort of nude Zira posing on a rock with the statue of liberty
in the background. If only there was a Planet of the Apes bedspread.

Attached are the two painting for you to look at.

I will be representing at Comic-con this year.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I think that when Wondercon comes, and we are all in full ape regalia, they will be hooked. I already know that they will look spectacular. If Apemania cannot make their gorilla appliances, I'm going to make their appliances myself--going to get the whole kit and kaboodle, sculpt it, and then and bake the foam latex myself. Everything is still just a theory in my head, but when I get going, there's no stopping me. I will move mountains to make sure we are spectacular that day.

And then...since I will make sure that they have a wonderful time at Wondercon, I know that they won't mind flanking me for SDCC.

I know it's selfish...it's all just to make myself happy, but I so love Planet of the Apes and can't live without it.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

Well that is heartening to hear. Let's hope they keep up their interest in Apes!

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

They are into the gorillas. My 10 year old loves the Horse Race and Up Above the World So High.

Ashton, who is almost 5 LOVES Planet of the Apes. He will watch the original movie with me, and he also loves the Horse Race and the Deception. He's always trying to make himself a bandolier. He wanted to know where his mask was the last time we went out in ape gear.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

Jess, do your boys show any interest in Planet of the Apes at all? Or are they too young at the moment?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

I still haven't found anybody to go ape with in my neck of the woods! It gets more bleak every time I go out searching. It's a very lonesome thing when I go out in ape regalia. It really is, and the last one was a gut puncher. I feel like I'm the only ape in town.

Next Wondercon I will be flanked by my two sons also in full ape regalia so I won't be by my lonesome self. Are they as die-hard as me? I don't think so, and that to me is really really really sad.

Jess.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@...> wrote:

I think the best way to go about recruiting new younger fans to Planet of the Apes would have to be a popular new movie, obviously.

Unfortunately to be popular it would have to appeal to today's youngsters, something that the 'old' movies don't seem to be doing. So it would have to be taken in a completely new direction severing all ties with the past films, something like they seem to be trying with the proposed new Caesar movie if the rumours are to be believed.

The only problem then will be that it will alienate most of us older fans, a lot of whom would howl bloody blue murder if the direction it takes is different from what we are all familiar and comfortable with, as can be witnessed by reading many of the responses to the initial stories of said proposed new Caesar movie. It seems that not many die hard fans were very impressed when they heard about it! So it's a bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it?

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett

Its been a sad day for me having celebrities pass away that were always a part of my life.

It reminded me again about how much we have to do to keep this POTA legacy going. Almost everyone involved in POTA has now passed on.

What can we do to keep the interest going for another generation ?

It also reminds me that we are all aging personally and paying constant tribute to a film over 40 years old. Time keeps ticking by and its a shame that the past continues to wither away. The past keeps getting swept under the rug. Everybody forgets and new children are born that have no idea of the past.

How are we going to get a 10 year old child today to have any interest in any movies, music, nostalgia from the past as they are bombarded with more and more products currently?

I think the #1 answer is to continously give POTA some attention in the media.

Obviously a new movie is the best way, but until that happens I wonder what are the next best choices? New products, new fanzines, Wikia site, archiving POTA data and photos. Obviously it all helps - but who are these products aimed at ? Its a new generation of fans we have to attract!

I think we are all on the right track but POTA fandom is shrinking quickly and we really need to jump into this more before even we are gone !

Any thoughts ?

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Be careful with humidity. 

That's the one real enemy of

whipping foam in the summer.

Definitely not a rainy day project.

It works best when it's cool and dry.

Even with the A/C on, outside humidity

can make one's foam rubber souffle fall.

 

 

In a message dated 6/26/2009 6:35:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

If Apemania cannot make their gorilla appliances, I'm going to make their appliances myself--going to get the whole kit and kaboodle, sculpt it, and then and bake the foam latex myself.  Everything is still just a theory in my head, but when I get going, there's no stopping me. 

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Making up a batch of foam rubber is like

baking from scratch.  You have to measure

it all out whip it in the mixer and bake it for hours.

I still wonder if I haven't poisoned myself over the

years from all the ammonia in those batches of

foam.  But I guess it's no different from cleaning

a swimming pool or the kitchen or whatever.  No

matter what you do bleach and ammonia are there.

And both the makeup staff and stars lived to ripe

old ages.  But do get a respirator for the mixing. 

 

 

In a message dated 6/26/2009 7:04:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

The other thing I've been thinking about is YouTube...I need a group of apes and we'll do something silly...like cook a meal from scratch and YouTube it...SOMETHING goofy and fun, but something to remember.


Jess.

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM, <TZer0@...> wrote:

Be careful with humidity.

That's the one real enemy of

whipping foam in the summer.

Definitely not a rainy day project.

It works best when it's cool and dry.

Even with the A/C on, outside humidity

can make one's foam rubber souffle fall.

In a message dated 6/26/2009 6:35:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

If Apemania cannot make their gorilla appliances, I'm going to make their appliances myself--going to get the whole kit and kaboodle, sculpt it, and then and bake the foam latex myself. Everything is still just a theory in my head, but when I get going, there's no stopping me.

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM, <TZer0@...> wrote:

Making up a batch of foam rubber is like

baking from scratch. You have to measure

it all out whip it in the mixer and bake it for hours.

I still wonder if I haven't poisoned myself over the

years from all the ammonia in those batches of

foam. But I guess it's no different from cleaning

a swimming pool or the kitchen or whatever. No

matter what you do bleach and ammonia are there.

And both the makeup staff and stars lived to ripe

old ages. But do get a respirator for the mixing.

In a message dated 6/26/2009 7:04:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

The other thing I've been thinking about is YouTube...I need a group of apes and we'll do something silly...like cook a meal from scratch and YouTube it...SOMETHING goofy and fun, but something to remember.


Jess.

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There's also a reason that most child apes

were played by little people.  Still, look on

the  bright side.  It's tough to bribe a midget

with ice cream.  ; )

 

 

In a message dated 6/26/2009 9:41:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

I think the reason why it's rare to see apes is because getting the makeup and outfit to look good is very difficult.   And it's also very expen$ive, but if you're a clever ape you can still look fantastic on a budget.

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-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA and Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett [2 Attachments