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Not easy, but possible.

As Tom Petty once said,

The waiting is the hardest part.

It seems like an eternity for the

timer to go off.  But it's like a ski

boot taking it off.  It's the old joke

about the guy hitting himself in the

head with a hammer.  When asked

why, he replied, "Because it feels so

good when I stop."  To practice should

have tried breathing through straws and

boiled a bag of sand and put that on my

face.  Except the sand would have gotten

cooler instead of heating up like Ultracal 30. 

Good to have the alginate between me and it.

 

In a message dated 7/29/2009 12:14:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

T, you are so very brave!  I didn't even know that it was possible to do your own lifemask with no help. 

 

Jess.

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Wow!

Apes alfresco!

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/29/2009 12:35:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

 

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This thread had my name on it, so I respond.

What can I do for people? The thread/response stuff below was fairly confusing, but I think the question is: What's fair compensation for someone's idea, if you use it?

And the answer is- it depends on SO many factors, there's no blanket answer that can cover it.

1) Most writers are interested in feedback, and a sense of what fans are looking for, when they say they're interested in fan's ideas...because they have their own story already, and are looking to tailor or tweak it for a popular response... If a writer is asking for ideas because they don't have their own ideas, then, obviously, they're not a writer--they're an editor.

2) Does an editor pay for ideas? He does if he's planning to profit from them. The level of profit is part of the formula though. If someone makes a very small print run book that sells less than a thousand copies, and sells it at a price that more or less pays the cost and time of producing it, or maybe a spare few hundred either way.... then, that's a hobby more than a living, and the ideas that go into that are probably not going to be paid for, as they're not contributing to a living, but to a hobby. If an editor takes an idea that sells twenty thousand copies and brings the editor a nice fat cheque for thirty grand, then damn, he better pay up or there's a lawyer at his door.

3) In answer to one question, why should a publisher have all the profits if he's using someone else's ideas, even if it's just a small profit? That's a tricky question, but here's one answer. The publisher is usually entitled to the first bite at profit (until there's enough to share) because he's the one bringing money into the equation in the first place. An idea is a lovely moment in a conversation, but it only becomes a PRODUCT if a publisher puts effort and monetary risk on it. Without the publisher, ideas are as valuable as a blade of grass, or a leaf from a tree. But a publisher, pays bills, pays printers, pays for a Diamond Account, etc.. and takes ALL the risk to the wallet. What did the idea cost the creator? Literally nothing. What did the idea cost the publisher? Perhaps thousands and thousands of dollars.

Did any of that help anybody? I'm still somewhat confused.

Ty

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/09 3:51:20 PM Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

Did Ty pay us when he asked for ideas/comments? No, and nor should he have.

*** No, he didn't pay anyone that I'm aware of... But, I thought REVOLUTION was well under way (and had been written, etc.) by the time you ever had a post from him on here... It's pretty obvious that he didn't listen to anyone's comments anyhow, as they went along with the bad idea of gorillas flying planes among other things...

That said, if he or anybody doing a "for profit" comic comes to a message board like this one and asks for ideas then yes, the creator of those ideas should be compensated in some way, even if it's a free subscription to the publication... Why should the one who is producing/publishing it all make any of the (possible) profits? I'm not saying if anyone wants to freely give you story ideas and will not care if they get a piece of the end product that you shouldn't use them, but I'm saying if someone gives you a scripted story and Neil draws it, etc. then it should be credited to whoever wrote it and not just "Whitty Productions" or whatever your company will be called... I mean songwriters have to give credit to someone even if they only came up with the title or a few lines, why should this be any different? You'd be better off giving them credit where applicable rather than being accused plagiarism later on... ***

Anyone who submits a full story would be paid for that is they ask for payment. Ty might be able to tell me what people are getting paid (and HOW – per page….etc?).

*** That's good as far as full stories go, but huge amounts of comments/ideas might count as "co-writing" wouldn't they? Like I said, it's up to you as to how you do it, but somebody who comments to the point of making the story different should have their name on it if they want it added... ***

However I anticipate losing shitloads of money and the last thing I need is people holding their hands out!

*** Somebody making a large contribution to the story and hoping to make their part in it known is NOT there with their hands out... Someone who is on this group or the "pota" group that seen that you put out a comic and comes out of the woodwork saying "Hey, remember me from the potaDG, I did a post one time that might have given you an idea..." now THAT'S coming to you with their hands out... ***

So yeah Neil will be paid, if he chooses to get other artists/colourers they too will be paid, writers will be paid, but the committee I am putting together would be doing it for love and a promise that if all my extravagance comes to something I'd compensate them too.

*** That's good and that's the way it should be... But, you said you have a committee that will be working with you "for the love of it", and yet you also say that writers will be paid, colorers/artists will be paid etc. The question is are you and your group doing all of the stuff at first for free or will you be hiring free-lance writers/artists to work in conjunction with the group you have set up? ***

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----- Original Message -----

From: haydon.mark

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:17 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: San Diego/Worldcon

 

That would be great to send in photo's of your POTA t-shirts.
Maybe it would be a good idea for the group website or hunter to have a page of all the t-shirts available and one's from the past.In like a file.
And for those interested where these t-shirts are available from, and price they cost.
I know i would be interested what about everyone else????
Mark :)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
>
> Cool! Please do!
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff" <skintricks@ > wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of shirts...I wore a different POTA shirt each day and had comments by numerous people each time. I even had a few people take pics of my shirts. I also bought an unauthorized Zaius shirt. I'll post pics soon.
> > Jeff B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dario Sciola
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:17 AM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] San Diego/Worldcon
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a lifelong ambition to one day make it down for the San Diego
> > Comicon. I don't know if I ever will but I guess I should try to make
> > it down for 2010 seeing as this seems that it will be a big year for
> > POTA. Cross fingers.
> >
> > On the other hand I have made it to 2 Science Fiction Worldcons
> > (Toronto 2003, and LA in 2006) and will be doing so again in just a
> > little over week in Montreal. (It appears that I'm on a 3 year cycle).
> > I wish I could report that POTA fandom has some presence at these
> > events, but as I've reported for those past excursions, there has
> > always been very little to report POTAwise. I have yet to see even one
> > sole ape costume.
> >
> > As I do every time, I'll be sporting a new POTA T shirt and see if I
> > get at least a little reaction. By any chance is anyone here going? It
> > would be nice to bump into a few friendly POTA fans.
> >
> > PS: Delighted to hear that their may be a new comic on the horizon
> > Mike/Neil. Also put me down for Forbidden Zone zines. Anxiously
> > waiting to hear when the first issue will be ready and how to go about
> > ordering one.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:13 am
> > Subject: [PotaDG] San Diego will go Ape!
> >
> > > That's the plan Jess.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm getting a massive payout in the very near future and I am
> > spending
> > > whatever it takes to get a monthly comic back on the shelves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We have some work to do but we already have issue #1 of BEGINS nearly
> > > complete.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's a 3 part comic with a tie-in back story that essentially
> > > deals with
> > > how I feel the apes came to be, and KRONOS who was one of the
> > > first genetic
> > > experiments, who (like the more modern Vampires) has a life
> > > expectancy well
> > > beyond normal humans and apes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My apes are in Australia and they get on fine with humans..until some
> > > factions stir things up (and I base this directly on Hitler and
> > > the Nazis of
> > > our own history).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ANYWAY - more of that when it's on the news stand!
> > >
> > > If all goes well I'd like to get BTB coloured and out there too
> > > (I'd really
> > > like to get it translated to Japanese too - I think there's an
> > > ENORMOUSuntapped POTA fan base there!).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll also be doing a TV show comic for UK specific release so if
> > > anyone here
> > > has an interest in this project please get in touch. It will
> > > probably be a
> > > 3 parter like I envisioned "GOING HOME" but I'll be trying to
> > > please fans
> > > instead of demolishing their heroes this time. This 3 parter will
> > > introducefresh characters and again if it is successful I'll do more.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The best thing about this is that I will just need to break EVEN! No
> > > profit, and I may even be so loaded I can afford a loss!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SO.all things considered, Neil and I will at LEAST be able to
> > > afford to go
> > > under the Apemania goo and get decked out, and come see all our
> > > Americancousins at the convention. And hopefully most will be apes!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If all goes to plan we'll be promoting the new comic, and if I can
> > > afford it
> > > I'll hire Brian and pals (or maybe Fox will help.Drew will be
> > > bloated on
> > > profits too and may chip in!:) to monkey around.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's if I get out of Apemania with any cash left! :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So that's the plan - and I mean it when I say I want helpers re
> > > the TV Show
> > > comics and I also mean it when I say if you don't take me up on
> > > the offer,
> > > then don't go crying about it later and saying "you killed
> > > Pete!!!!". This
> > > is an offer to any interested party to steer the future of POTA
> > > comics as a
> > > team of fans - all bad blood aside, all past nasties gone. But
> > > don't wait
> > > around too long because this is HAPPENING.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > jessica rotich
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2009 3:27 PM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] FW: San Diego goes Ape!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael, Neil...are you both attending SDCC? I would really love
> > > to meet up
> > > with you guys!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regarding Apemania--their apes are actors for hire. Who's paying
> > > them to
> > > show up?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM, <mlccougar@aol.
> > > <mailto:mlccougar@ >com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *** If you do that, make sure you're done up as gorillas as they
> > > seem to be
> > > the best looking of their lot... Their chimps and orangutans leave
> > > a lot to
> > > be desired... ***
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/28/09 7:34:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > mswhitty@dodo. <mailto:mswhitty @> com.au writes:
> > >
> > > If all goes well we will come via Brian of Apemania, under the Goo
> > > and fully
> > > dressed!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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POTA Group

or Cricket Chat?

I call OT Shenanigans!

 

 

In a message dated 7/29/2009 6:28:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

But what I was saying was I'd hope to SEE some ASHES tests when we go to England!

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: San Diego/Worldcon

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I think the context in which the ideas are passed from a contributor
to a writer or editor should also factor in. When people engage in
open discussions on the internet so as discussion groups like this,
forums or even blog commentary, unless a clear solicitation agreement
was made beforehand, they should not necessarily expect mometary
compensation. Well at lest not if they know in advance that they are
discussing with writers and that they work in question may end up in a
work for sale. It's one thing to exchange emails but when information
is presented openly without any copyright notice or disclaimer, then
you're pretty much giving away your thoughts freely. If you don't want
to 'give' that stuff away, then don't discuss it openly in the first
place.

I think that people also sometimes forget that a writer not only takes
good ideas to make a story, but also has to put down the words in a
cohesive, thoughful and entertaining manner. And doing that is not
only hard work, but takes talent. A person with a good idea or two
does not necessarily mean that they can write it properly. POTA
happens to be a great example of this evidenced by the great
Wilson/Serling script as opposed to Boulle's idea of a Planet of the
Apes and his subsequent novel. If Boulle's novel were the only
artifact of POTA around, we wouldn't be here as POTA fans today,
because let's face it, it was not a very good book. But it had some
great ideas, and thanks to Wilson and Serling's treatment of those
ideas (and a little hollywod magic), we have a great story. So who do
you credit more?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Ty Templeton <tybunny@...>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009 0:26 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Calling Ty Templeton.....

> This thread had my name on it, so I respond.
>
> What can I do for people? The thread/response stuff below was fairly
> confusing, but I think the question is: What's fair compensation for
> someone's idea, if you use it?
>
> And the answer is- it depends on SO many factors, there's no
> blanket answer
> that can cover it.
>
> 1) Most writers are interested in feedback, and a sense of what
> fans are
> looking for, when they say they're interested in fan's
> ideas...because they
> have their own story already, and are looking to tailor or tweak
> it for a
> popular response... If a writer is asking for ideas because they
> don't have
> their own ideas, then, obviously, they're not a writer--they're an
> editor.
> 2) Does an editor pay for ideas? He does if he's planning to
> profit from
> them. The level of profit is part of the formula though. If
> someone makes
> a very small print run book that sells less than a thousand
> copies, and
> sells it at a price that more or less pays the cost and time of
> producingit, or maybe a spare few hundred either way.... then,
> that's a hobby more
> than a living, and the ideas that go into that are probably not
> going to be
> paid for, as they're not contributing to a living, but to a hobby.
> If an
> editor takes an idea that sells twenty thousand copies and brings
> the editor
> a nice fat cheque for thirty grand, then damn, he better pay up or
> there's a
> lawyer at his door.
>
> 3) In answer to one question, why should a publisher have all the
> profitsif he's using someone else's ideas, even if it's just a
> small profit?
> That's a tricky question, but here's one answer. The publisher is
> usuallyentitled to the first bite at profit (until there's enough
> to share) because
> he's the one bringing money into the equation in the first place.
> An idea
> is a lovely moment in a conversation, but it only becomes a
> PRODUCT if a
> publisher puts effort and monetary risk on it. Without the
> publisher, ideas
> are as valuable as a blade of grass, or a leaf from a tree. But a
> publisher, pays bills, pays printers, pays for a Diamond Account,
> etc.. and
> takes ALL the risk to the wallet. What did the idea cost the
creator?
> Literally nothing. What did the idea cost the publisher? Perhaps
> thousandsand thousands of dollars.
>
> Did any of that help anybody? I'm still somewhat confused.
>
> Ty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/29/09 3:51:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > mswhitty@... writes:
> >
> > Did Ty pay us when he asked for ideas/comments? No, and nor
> should he
> > have.
> >
> > *** No, he didn't pay anyone that I'm aware of... But, I thought
> REVOLUTION> was well under way (and had been written, etc.) by the
> time you ever had a
> > post from him on here... It's pretty obvious that he didn't
> listen to
> > anyone's comments anyhow, as they went along with the bad idea
> of gorillas
> > flying planes among other things...
> >
> > That said, if he or anybody doing a "for profit" comic comes to
> a message
> > board like this one and asks for ideas then yes, the creator of
> those ideas
> > should be compensated in some way, even if it's a free
> subscription to the
> > publication... Why should the one who is producing/publishing it
> all make
> > any of the (possible) profits? I'm not saying if anyone wants to
> freely give
> > you story ideas and will not care if they get a piece of the end
> product> that you shouldn't use them, but I'm saying if someone
> gives you a scripted
> > story and Neil draws it, etc. then it should be credited to
> whoever wrote it
> > and not just "Whitty Productions" or whatever your company will
> be called...
> > I mean songwriters have to give credit to someone even if they
> only came up
> > with the title or a few lines, why should this be any different?
> You'd be
> > better off giving them credit where applicable rather than being
> > accused plagiarism later on... ***
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone who submits a full story would be paid for that is they
> ask for
> > payment. Ty might be able to tell me what people are getting
> paid (and HOW
> > – per page….etc?).
> >
> > *** That's good as far as full stories go, but huge amounts of
> > comments/ideas might count as "co-writing" wouldn't they? Like I
> said, it's
> > up to you as to how you do it, but somebody who comments to the
> point of
> > making the story different should have their name on it if they
> want it
> > added... ***
> >
> >
> >
> > However I anticipate losing shitloads of money and the last
> thing I need is
> > people holding their hands out!
> >
> > *** Somebody making a large contribution to the story and hoping
> to make
> > their part in it known is NOT there with their hands out...
> Someone who is
> > on this group or the "pota" group that seen that you put out a
> comic and
> > comes out of the woodwork saying "Hey, remember me from the
> potaDG, I did a
> > post one time that might have given you an idea..." now THAT'S
> coming to
> > you with their hands out... ***
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So yeah Neil will be paid, if he chooses to get other
> artists/colourers> they too will be paid, writers will be paid,
> but the committee I am putting
> > together would be doing it for love and a promise that if all my
> > extravagance comes to something I'd compensate them too.
> >
> > *** That's good and that's the way it should be... But, you
> said you have
> > a committee that will be working with you "for the love of it",
> and yet you
> > also say that writers will be paid, colorers/artists will be
> paid etc. The
> > question is are you and your group doing all of the stuff at
> first for
> > free or will you be hiring free-lance writers/artists to work in
> conjunction> with the group you have set up? ***
> >
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*** Agreed...  However, it's one thing for them to come to these groups with a partially completed story and/or artwork and asking everyone to critique them, but if they'd come to these groups and ask for story ideas (whether or not they say they could potentially be used as story lines) could potentially be seen as plagiarism by someone who might want to "cash in" if their comic line is successful... Whitty and company should cover their a**es and stay within the little group they have lined up if they're that worried about everyone coming to them "with their hand out"...

 

You mentioned Boulle's book and the Wilson/Serling script and their differences... I agree that the Wilson/Serling script is way better then Boulle's novel... But, Boulle's novel was the "source material" for the PLANET film (and the sequels and TV series/animated series) and he is credited as such... No matter how much better or different the film was than the book there are enough similarities that Boulle could have sued had he not sold the rights to his original work. ***

 

 

In a message dated 7/31/09 8:21:32 AM Central Daylight Time, darios@... writes:

When people engage in open discussions on the Internet so as discussion groups like this, forums or even blog commentary, unless a clear solicitation agreement was made beforehand, they should not necessarily expect monetary compensation. Well at least not if they know in advance that they are discussing with writers and that they work in question may end up in a work for sale. It's one thing to exchange emails but when information is presented openly without any copyright notice or disclaimer, then you're pretty much giving away your thoughts freely.

 

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Numbers are as wide ranging as the projects are. For projects like the Simpsons (which sells upwards of a hundred thousand copies worldwide), I get paid about fifteen thousand bucks for an issue if I write and draw it myself--for stuff like Planet of the Apes, we were paying about two thousand, five hundred bucks and issue for script and art as we were selling less than ten thousand copies per issue. The page rate is entirely contingent on sales, though there are "standard" page rates for DC, Bongo, Marvel, IDW, etc...these standards are higher and lower, depending on the sales the company can expect for each title. I think Spider-Man or Batman writers get about a hundred bucks a page to write, and pencilers get something like one hundred fifty bucks a page to pencil, seventy five a page to ink. BUT big stars who get extra sales get much higher page rates. I get more than the average Batman writer when I write a Batman, but got far less than the average Spider-Man artist when I penciled my Spider-Man miniseries a couple of years back...because I'm a popular Batman writer, but a fairly obscure Spider-Man artist. Up until fairly recently, the highest rates were paid to folks working for Mad Magazine (over a thousand bucks a page for art alone) Playboy funnies, and Simpsons comics and books come in a close second. At the other end of the spectrum, Moonstone comics pays out about a hundred bucks a page for script and art and colours COMBINED!! Mad sold in the hundred thousands, Moonstone sells in the thousands, so the difference is reflected that way.

There is no "industry" standard across the board, as evidenced by the fact that Mad Magazine, the Simpsons and Moonstone's "Night Stalker" comic are all in the "industry". I get paid less than a third my Simpsons rate when I write a Star Trek book, but I love Star Trek so I did it for that reason. (I also love the Simpsons, and it don't hurt that the money's better!).

So to answer the question, what are the rates? High rates are a thou a page. Low rates are fifty bucks a page. If an artist takes the job for either rate...then that's the standard rate.

It's a little like saying "What's the standard rate to pay an actor to be in a play?" Most theater companies pay the actors a share of the box office, or next to nothing at all. Broadway pays their leads ten thousand dollars per show, and Vegas show stars get fifty grand a night at some of the big big hotels. Most of the "arts" don't have standards across the board, like an hourly wage. It depends on the size of the audience, and the number of slices in the pie.

Ty the Guy

For

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

That's why I do it! :)

But originally (the first post) I was really asking what's a fair price to pay artists (pencils, colour, etc) and story writers (per page?).

And that would change for people like yourself who are established and others who have never been published right?

Just thought you may know the numbers?

Michael

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This thread had my name on it, so I respond.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff K.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:31 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] OT: actor Daniel Roebuck's House of POTA

 

 Actually, it's officially a House of Horror but there's many POTA items. I don't remember if I've brought this up before. Daniel Roebuck is an actor with one of those recognizable faces, he's done a lot of TV shows, was a regular on "Matlock", "Lost". He might be best known for playing Jay Leno in the TV movie "The Late Show" and got a lot of attention as the killer in the movie "River's Edge".

  He's a big monster and POTA fan. He produced and directed a show called "Monsterama" which included episodes about POTA Collectibles and about Apemania. He grew up watching Bill Blake's POTA characters on "The Gene London Show".

  Anyway, here's pictures of his collection for those who are interested:

  http://www.danielro ebuck.com/ collection_ index.htm

 

 Here's his imdb, including the "Monsterama" episodes:

 http://www.imdb. com/name/ nm073623/

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It's a mater of how far you can go on your own.

Can you turn out a comic?  Sure.  But a feature

film?  Doubtful.  It's like those Inventor Help Groups.

Yes they will rip you off.  But if it's something you'd

never get off the ground at all on your own?  Why not?

 

 

In a message dated 7/31/2009 10:14:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Whitty and company should cover their a**es and stay within the little group they have lined up if they're that worried about everyone coming to them "with their hand out"...

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Not bad, but I would make

Felicity Kendall, Zira.

 

 

In a message dated 8/1/2009 4:00:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, skintricks@... writes:

Got bored at work and came up with my ideas for an updated casting for all 5 films.  Just my ideas.

 

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Actually, it's officially a House of Horror but there's many POTA items. I don't remember if I've brought this up before. Daniel Roebuck is an actor with one of those recognizable faces, he's done a lot of TV shows, was a regular on "Matlock", "Lost". He might be best known for playing Jay Leno in the TV movie "The Late Show" and got a lot of attention as the killer in the movie "River's Edge". <.html

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Wow!  That guy's got it all.

And two of some.  I wonder

what Halloween is like at his house!?!

 

 

In a message dated 8/1/2009 9:52:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

what a collection!!

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I guess this answers my question . . .

 

 

YouTube - Dr. Shocker's Halloween Spooktacular with Daniel Roebuck (1)

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 1:20:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, TZer0@... writes:

 

 

Wow!  That guy's got it all.

And two of some.  I wonder

what Halloween is like at his house!?!

 

 

In a message dated 8/1/2009 9:52:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:

what a collection!!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:18 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Or this?

 

Could be straight outta Monkey Planet!  J

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From: Michael & Sally Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:19 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Or this???

 

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He co-hosted the documentary special feature for the "Groovie Goolies" dvd set that also featured Alice Cooper, Forrest Ackerman, & the crew from filmation studios. He seems like a really cool guy with a serious love of monsters. My kinda fellow.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> My bad. Here's Roebuck's imdb:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736263/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff K.
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:31 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] OT: actor Daniel Roebuck's House of POTA
>
>
>
> Actually, it's officially a House of Horror but there's many POTA items. I don't remember if I've brought this up before. Daniel Roebuck is an actor with one of those recognizable faces, he's done a lot of TV shows, was a regular on "Matlock", "Lost". He might be best known for playing Jay Leno in the TV movie "The Late Show" and got a lot of attention as the killer in the movie "River's Edge".
> He's a big monster and POTA fan. He produced and directed a show called "Monsterama" which included episodes about POTA Collectibles and about Apemania. He grew up watching Bill Blake's POTA characters on "The Gene London Show".
> Anyway, here's pictures of his collection for those who are interested:
> http://www.danielroebuck.com/collection_index.htm
>
> Here's his imdb, including the "Monsterama" episodes:
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm073623/
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WTF?

 

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 3:34:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

These are wonderful choices but I would want Kevin Spacey to be Taylor !

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It means I think the butt baby of Bruce Vilanch

and the resurrected corpse of Truman Capote

would be a better choice than that.  That's all.  

Oh and better as Moses, and Juda Ben Hur too.

But that's just my opinion, man.  I did think he

was perfectly cast in The Usual Suspects.

 

 

In a message dated 8/3/2009 2:02:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

WTS yourself – what's that supposed to mean?  You disagree?

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Or how about a female actor as Georgina Taylor?

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
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> These are wonderful choices but I would want Kevin Spacey to be Taylor!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:38 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: my cast - Planet

 

Or how about a female actor as Georgina Taylor?

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
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> These are wonderful choices but I would want Kevin Spacey to be Taylor!

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Hmmm . . . Well...

Hmmm...

 

In a message dated 8/3/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Or how about a female actor as Georgina Taylor?

Neil T. Foster

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Taylor is probably the most difficult

to cast.  It's easier to think of a new

James Bond than a new Taylor.  If I

had to pick one off the top of my head?

I keep coming up with dead guys and

actors who are past it.  But . . .

Based on Age, Stature, Star Power

and Acting Chops?  Liam Neeson

If I was trying to think of an actor

who could play Ben Hur, Moses

or Taylor?  He's my pick.  All 3.

 

 

In a message dated 8/3/2009 8:54:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, skintricks@... writes:

 

I was thinking of that, but I like Clooney's dry sarcasm.  In regards to Billie Piper and David Tennant in my "recasting" of Escape, Cornelius(Tennant) can introduce Zira or Milo as Dr. and Stevie(Piper) can say, "Dr. Who?"   Maybe only you guys in the UK can appreciate that more than most of us here in America.

 

Jeff B

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:38 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: my cast - Planet

 

Or how about a female actor as Georgina Taylor?

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
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> These are wonderful choices but I would want Kevin Spacey to be Taylor!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:55 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: my cast - Planet

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

Is this for real?

http://cgi.ebay. com/Planet- Of-The-Apes- Icarus-Spaceship -Original- Movie-Prop_ W0QQitemZ1104205 06553QQcmdZViewI temQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_ 0?hash=item19b59 337b9&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14#ht_ 500wt_1182

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I've noticed on the POTA group a fellow by the name of William Burge is plastering random photos on the group.

Usually when that happens on the DG we get some really negative, grumpy reactions.

I have a bunch of photos I have been wanting to share but I have been afraid to because it looks like someone is just propping up post numbers.

How does everyone feel about this?

Should we just post zillions of dictures?

Michael

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When pictures are posted here and they generate discussion, they
nearly always get reposted ad nauseam by everyone involved in the
discussion -- which I hate because it takes up extra space on my hard
drive -- then we get requests from members who don't get the pictures
in their emails for someone to upload them.

Since they ultimately have to be uploaded anyway, I'd prefer that you
put them online somewhere at the start and then post just one link to
the page.

On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:21 pm, Michael Whitty wrote:

> I've noticed on the POTA group a fellow by the name of William
> Burge is plastering random photos on the group.
>
> Usually when that happens on the DG we get some really negative,
> grumpy reactions.
>
> I have a bunch of photos I have been wanting to share but I have
> been afraid to because it looks like someone is just propping up
> post numbers.
>
> How does everyone feel about this?
>
> Should we just post zillions of dictures?
>
> Michael

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*** Yes there is, which shows that there is a lot more interest in APES than a lot of people on these groups think there is... I mean who would go out of there way to sell props (fake or not) if there'd be no interest in them... ***

 

 

In a message dated 8/4/09 3:56:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

Geez there's a lot of folk selling bullshit POTA "PROPS" hey?

 

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*** They used a miniature of the ship (along with a matte painting) during the scene when it was sinking... But chances are very slim that this is anything from the movie... I think Bill Creber was supposed to own the real miniature of the ship... ***

 

 

n a message dated 8/4/09 3:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

If it is I can't think where it was used in the movie

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

yeah it doesn't look very movie quality to me.....for that money he should include a  hand written letter from Bill Creber and pic of him holding it!

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From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@bigpond. com>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 4:44:45 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

If it is I can't think where it was used in the movie, must be that part that has the ship without the gold nose cone and without the red & blue hoops going around it! Also how come the panel bits that should be olive green are black? Plus the red & blue hoops at the rear part are also too thin and he claims that it has not been repainted!

 

Unless the guy has real proof of what this is and where it came from I don't think I would be parting with $9500+ myself even if I had the money!

 

Neil T. Foster

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

Is this for real?

http://cgi.ebay. com/Planet- Of-The-Apes- Icarus-Spaceship -Original- Movie-Prop_ W0QQitemZ1104205 06553QQcmdZViewI temQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_ 0?hash=item19b59 337b9&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14#ht_ 500wt_1182

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Pretty Pictures

 

there is nothing  wrong with posting pictures.... .post away! If any one doesn't like it they can hit delete

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From: Michael Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:21:11 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Pretty Pictures

 

I've noticed on the POTA group a fellow by the name of William Burge is plastering random photos on the group.

Usually when that happens on the DG we get some really negative, grumpy reactions.

I have a bunch of photos I have been wanting to share but I have been afraid to because it looks like someone is just propping up post numbers.

How does everyone feel about this?

Should we just post zillions of dictures?

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

*** Yes there is, which shows that there is a lot more interest in APES than a lot of people on these groups think there is... I mean who would go out of there way to sell props (fake or not) if there'd be no interest in them... ***

 

 

In a message dated 8/4/09 3:56:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

Geez there’s a lot of folk selling bullshit POTA “PROPS” hey?

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] WTFH? Planet Of The Apes Icarus Spaceship Original Movie Prop

 

*** They used a miniature of the ship (along with a matte painting) during the scene when it was sinking... But chances are very slim that this is anything from the movie... I think Bill Creber was supposed to own the real miniature of the ship... ***

 

 

n a message dated 8/4/09 3:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

If it is I can't think where it was used in the movie

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:53 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: my cast - Planet

 

I was thinking of that, but I like Clooney's dry sarcasm.  In regards to Billie Piper and David Tennant in my "recasting" of Escape, Cornelius(Tennant) can introduce Zira or Milo as Dr. and Stevie(Piper) can say, "Dr. Who?"   Maybe only you guys in the UK can appreciate that more than most of us here in America.

 

Jeff B

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:38 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: my cast - Planet

 

Or how about a female actor as Georgina Taylor?

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
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(Actually, not that pretty. Pretty grim in fact.) Looking for anything at all on the UK Apes show turned up these non-Apes pics of Hoffman's Circus (which included the Apes Show during their 1975-76 season) from a few years later, in Edinburgh.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:54 PM
To: 'PotaDG'
Subject: [PotaDG] Speaking of the 'Icarus'...

 

...has anyone ever bought one of these models?:

 

 

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Neil T. Foster

 

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