On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Graham <shop@...> wrote:

Thanks Neil, Happy X-Mas.

Best,Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
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> To all my friends on the group I hope you have a Merry Christmas and the
> Happiest of Festive Seasons whatever your beliefs.
>
> Neil T. Foster
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On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Chris Hight < snickertown@...> wrote:

Ada has put a curse on this project :)

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From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 12:57:35 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] 1/6 Burke sculpt

I hit a snag. I made a mold, made a couple of casts...painted it up. Looks meh. Anyway, I drilled the hole for the Sideshow body neck plug, and he's PINHEADED! Aw shucks! Anyway, no biggie. I just ordered some material (PanoCast 160) that will enlarge it. So...the quest for Burke is still on.

Jess.

> i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume card
> tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape fans.$100,000
> is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s containing each
> a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a vest,shirt,pants,gloves.

> And you are trying to say that a BACKGROUND costume is worth $10,000?
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:58 PM
To: 'Eddie Bliss'
Subject: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

 

Eddie

 

Nobody is goiung to buy a cut up swath of a gorilla background costume - get real.

 

You have about 100 POTA fans to choose from who would not even pay you $5 each for a butchered piece of nothing.

 

I would not give a cheap con man like you a cent of my hard earned money.

 

I have an enormous POTA collection - far larger than the idiot who published a POTA collectibles book and his prices were horse shit too.

 

I have seen costumes come and go on eBay and through Apemania for 15 years and the background costumes ain't worth shit.  Unless of course there's a mask and a rifle and boots and a sash then they are worth a little more but you can't even show me a fucking photo you dill!

The one you are selling WAS on eBay and it's been taken off in the past couple of days.  Your descrition of the costume is VERY unclear and I believe it's intentionally so because you are conning people.

 

I do not want anything to do with you and I will reccomend the same approach to all the POTA fans I know.

 

Michael

 

 

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 6:06 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

$500 according to whose math?i emailed terry and told him i will own the item soon,maybe tomorrow.and yes maybe not to you but ill get at least $1800 for it.i dont intend a standoff but you started it.a big talker i am and i can back it with quality merchandise. one guy says its $450,another says $500,and another says $1000.so it looks like you want it for $500?i can have it cut up into 100s and 100s of tiny fabric swaths and make a bundle.maybe 50k or more as theres so many fans out there.l say thanks for showing me how much this costume is taken for granted.ive seen prices of 27k for lead apes costumes.ive seen 4k for soldier apes outfits.ive seen $700 for backgrounds but thats nonsense and ill not do that normally sir! now ill quote my source-pop culture magazine-2000. if im mistaken i do know ive seen them for many $1000s someplace.you say its worth $500 and i disagree.ill not sell it then.btw i did put it on further hold.its all paid up within 30 days or tomorrow if i want it that bad or someone else does!.i dont need the money as much as you think.i feel its at least a $2500 piece.i bought a wardrobe on ebay from premiere props.it was a foolish $125 with coa.ill prove it as the auctions been closed since 2004.i bought it and want 10k.its a 1/1 prop sold as far as i know.who are you to tell me anything!one of his suits went for an expected $20,000-$30, 000 at auction.his name is ray park aka darth maul.its his ballistic costume and i have proof if youd like.and yes i do own it and yes ill sell it for as much as id like not what anyone tells me to.its worth what someone will pay.you are right to call me a big talker.i am but i can support my testimonies. im not a know it all and i dont claim to be.ok maybe its value at $500-pota but where do you get your info  from?to you or someone else.but to me no way guy!one says 150 suits were made and another states 600 were made still a low number.hey put your money where your mouth is and if you want my costume ill sell it to you.but im not going under $1000 unless you prove to me what you say is the truth.even then i can refuse your bid but well wait and see!you find one cheaper prove it and ill talk lowered pricing to you.ill even do a cod with you but ill require id or something tangible.if youre so adamant that im a crook ill do it.its new years almost and you are partially right that im a dreamer.but so is alot of people.just for the heck of it what were you willing to pay,$500?it seems to me the only ones who need to be warned are ones whom you may want to take advantage of.i mean that if you prove in a book value its only worth $500 or with enough corroborating evidence ill go with your suggestion.im here to make folks satisfied not pissed at me like you are with me right now.and unfairly so! i told you if you meet with me ill show you the suit.once i get it or payment.i have a right to make a nice profit off its sale.ii cant submit a scan yet as thats illlegal but ill do it in terms of showing you a scan yourself.ill point you to the seller.i already outlined this but you hurl insults.ill not lower my standards because someone accuses me of being a phony.things can sell for $20000 that cost only $3000.like a death star piece and yes i know of some but no ill not tell you.im too afraid youll say im a fraud.i locate things as i told terry.i shouldnt have to justify myself to you but i feel the need.as i said id do a cod with you perhaps but ill need proof of you and that you are like me,legitimate. btw warn anyone you want to.when i have the costume in my hands ill put up pics and establish my credibility at the forum.ill not be slandered by you.i jumped the gun a bit and thats not terrys fault but my own.if you act civilized so will i and maybe,just maybe we can conduct a sale but that rests with you.ill prove i can get or have the outfit but get off my back please.i dont have nor do i know of a leather vest wardrobe from pota.i saw a few years ago and they were 4k.sorry if im being a jerk as i didnt want to even bother with you again.but i give 2nd chances even to the likes of you no offense who accuse me of wrongdoing.maybe i protest too much but im quite angry at these false allegations you have no merit,grounds, substance in making.ok merry xmas and im here if you need me,eddy                                    from: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:43:49 +1000

And you are trying to say that a BACKGROUND costume is worth $10,000?

Are you for real?

 

They go for about $500!

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:53 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

yes thats correct

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From: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:16:32 +1000

So it's an original screen worn BACKGROUND costume?

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:07 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

Hello Michael/Sally and boy are you in luck.a seller is the one promoting the sale.im sorry if you were misled in any way.ill put a deposit on the costume or buy it 1st.its only $1800/bo and do tell me if thats ok.I WANTED 10K originally once i bought it.but even at 4k i figured id sell it in due time.wel i went to 3k and then a firm $2200.but now im offering it very cheap.youll need to take my word that its a 100% authentic western costume issued gorilla outfit used onscreen in the beneath film.2 are for immediate sale.if youll send me $480 ill reserve it for you.and ill issue a receipt online and written to be sent to you ttm.a money orders fine and if local ill meet with you inperson.im in mass.im a middleman guy and im not affilliated with the seller as of yet.sometimes im friends with or email them.i like it this way as its safe to me and im not risking anything.im reasonable and at ebay id go 4-5k at least!so tell me if its within your budget or ill see about lowering it foolish as it may sound.i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume card tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape fans.$100,000 is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s containing each a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a vest,shirt,pants, gloves.what a bargain and i promise you ive founded my biz on honesty,integrity, hard work-smarter not harder with some exceptions guys.ive only seen 5-6 similar outfits used in the prod of the franchise.ape prices are soaring nowadays.now i can get you pics of each wardrobe or anyone in particular but youll know my source.so i need to be covert for now.if i get my person in hollywood to accept a smaller deposit ill do it like that.i emailed them earlier and await a reply.the costumes for immediate sale as i  check weekly on it and other apparrels.so ill aid in the sale and please get back asap,ok!was used by an extra background actor in beneath the pota-1972 and is well documented as coming from the film studio.i beieve that to be 20th century fox and apjac productions somewhere in tow.let me email you back as im running out of room here.i used the reply box and its messy when i write alot!             From: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:36:46 +1000

I received this from Terry Hoknes.

 

I am interested in the BENEATH GORILLA OUTFIT.

 

Please send photos and a list of what’s included and your best price.

 

Also please list Megos, sideshows, any other collectibles (drum kit, radio, stunt cycles, zoom cycles etc).

 

Michael

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 11:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

 

 

Serious POTA collector Eddie Bliss (ccc301_1@hotmail. com) has asked me to let everyone know about his amazing collection of rare and unique items for sale

 

Here is the list

Please contact him directly with any questions

thanks

 

1972 pota worn gorilla costume from beneath film-$2000/bo with a reserve of $1350 was 4k orig  i read of these commanding in excess of $10000 at profiles in history perhaps.if a buyer wants the vest,shirt,pants, gloves from this wardrobe they need to let me know

12 waxpacks from the 1975 tv show,

1974 apes lunchbox metal w thermos c8 it says and its just $300/bo,

2 apes puzzles from 1976 only $80/bo

used pota gameboy game from the 2001 film for $30 firm.was $70 at release issue price.

2 jumpsuits from beneath pota 1972 worn onscreen.ill just want $1300/bo for one or $2400/set.awesome costume card idea 

have more cheaper stuff from planet of the apes like tshirts,caps, autographs, banks,statues, action figures,posters, megos,watches, jewelry,etc

 

western costume designed the outfits and only 600 are said to exist.

waxpacks are just $23/pack from an orig retail $30/pack price.

ill sell the dozen i have at only $250 or just under $21/waxpack. i had to pay alot for the packs-415 each one but a very fairv pricetag comparitive with star wars series 1-5

 

i have 2 outfits for sale.

only 1 jumpsuit from pota as ones been sold i do believe.

ill accept $3500 for both apes wardrobes.but ill include james remars boots rayden ones worn in mortal kombat.and if anyones interested in a wardrobe arnold schwarzenegger wore in end of days here goes,tank top,pants,dress shirt.obtained directly from the studio upon completion of filming.kodak stills serial numbered are offered from the seller when arnold wore it.its only $2800/bo from $14,300 firm originally!

 

a star trek tunic worn in one of the movies-search for spock i think only $700/bo,matthew brodericks worn shorts from cable guy only $250/bo,kevin bacon worn tshirt from a few good men,tom cruise worn dress shirt from a few good men,jack nicholson wardrobe from the same film-sold out but i do have a fabric swath display sectiom from another suit he wore in men,johnny depp worn dress shirt display piece,brandon lee worn costume display from the crow,pam anderson worn leather jacket display from barb wire,bernie mac worn display-charlies angels,george reeves worn cape display,jim carrey worn dress shirt display-bruce almighty,and each of these items are normally under $80.babe ruth worn jersey display framed plaque-$400 firm.its $700 same exact thing 1 seller and $300 my guy.

 

an actual death star display pice from 1977-$2000 firm and a fan paid 21k at auction for a similar item from the models.

 

its only $1500 firm for a tile used in star wars 1977s huge at 32 x 69 inches or more.it was gotten or purchased direct from the hiring company who did the props.it ws used onscreen either in the death star and an example is the interrogation room with leia or somewhere like that,millennium falcon aso had them.a fabulous artifact at 1/2 my retail price

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----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
COLLECTION FOR SALE !

>
>
> *** That's pretty funny... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>
> > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume
> card
> > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape
> fans.$100,000
> > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> containing each
> > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> vest,shirt,pants,gloves.
> </HTML>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

I don't know if saying there are "legions of fans" funny or depressing.
Funny, because if this guys really believes it, he's delusional.
Depressing, because we all know that while there are still plenty of us
around, it isn't 'legions' numbers.

Poor Michael having to decypher Eddie's emails. I had a clue when I read
the original email announcing the 'sale'. The moment a seller says that
it should be worth X dollars because they paid Y dollars when the bought
it, it's time to walk away. The value of any particular item is only
what you have a buyer willing to spend, no more, no less. Things go up
in value, and at other times, go down. To say that it is at least worth
what someone paid ages ago does not have any bearing on the price.

I had a good laugh when he said that he considered tearing up the
costume into small pieces for individual sale. It would mean that there
was one less costume around, and if anything, it would just increase the
prices of the other remaining intact costumes.

Another year, another speculator thinking there are riches to be had
from POTA fans.

Have a good 2010 POTADG'ers!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
COLLECTION FOR SALE !

>
>

> *** That's pretty funny... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>

> > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume
> card
> > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape
> fans.$100,000
> > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> containing each
> > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> vest,shirt,pants,gloves.

> </HTML>
>
>
> ------------------------------------

>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/

> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> We apes fans are depressingly few in number, unfortunately...
>
> My heart skipped a beat when I read that Eddie plans on making swatches out
> of the costume. It was like a gut puncher. That is sacrilege right there.
> How dare anyone even think that? Eddie, please don't do that.
>
> I can't believe the year has come and gone. Everyone be safe...and keep
> those flags flying. Long live Planet of the Apes!!!
>
>
> Jess.
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know if saying there are "legions of fans" funny or depressing.
> > Funny, because if this guys really believes it, he's delusional.
> > Depressing, because we all know that while there are still plenty of us
> > around, it isn't 'legions' numbers.
> >
> > Poor Michael having to decypher Eddie's emails. I had a clue when I read
> > the original email announcing the 'sale'. The moment a seller says that
> > it should be worth X dollars because they paid Y dollars when the bought
> > it, it's time to walk away. The value of any particular item is only
> > what you have a buyer willing to spend, no more, no less. Things go up
> > in value, and at other times, go down. To say that it is at least worth
> > what someone paid ages ago does not have any bearing on the price.
> >
> > I had a good laugh when he said that he considered tearing up the
> > costume into small pieces for individual sale. It would mean that there
> > was one less costume around, and if anything, it would just increase the
> > prices of the other remaining intact costumes.
> >
> > Another year, another speculator thinking there are riches to be had
> > from POTA fans.
> >
> > Have a good 2010 POTADG'ers!
> >
> > Dario
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mlccougar@... <mlccougar%40aol.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> > COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > *** That's pretty funny... ***
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > mswhitty@... <mswhitty%40dodo.com.au> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume
> > > card
> > > > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape
> > > fans.$100,000
> > > > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> > > containing each
> > > > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> > > vest,shirt,pants,gloves.
> > > </HTML>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> >
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:21 AM
To: 'Eddie Bliss'
Subject: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

 

Terry is this true - did you apologise for me?

 

Michael

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 8:15 AM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

just heard from terry and he apologized for you!you should apologize,not him.what the heck do you mean good luck ripping off innocents?i told terry ill maybe now even donate the costume to a poor family but im not rich either and as poor as the next guy usually.or at least go to $500-$600 perhaps if im gonna be accused of wrongdoing BY THE LIKES OF YOU.i asked you nicely to quit the name calling.you almost did but you accuse,accuse, accuse! please stop emailing me too AND ILL APOLOGIZE NOT TO YOU BUT FOR THINKING A NICE BUYER WAS AMONG THIS CROWD!and ill appreciate it if youd stop being a bozo!you want a scan and rightfully so.seems to me a scan wasnt promised in the 1st place but terrys going to get one and you wouldve too if a purchase.you inquired of the sale and then insulted me and good or not good that permits me to walk from you.i use a cheaper but not a anyways! i said to you its a vest,shirt,pants, gloves with a hollywood coa from western costume.now ill tell you more as youre carapulting me into it.its a dark brown vinyl vest with thick lines running across it from top to bottom,its a grey shirt,a grey pair of pants,a darker pair of matching gloves.looks like a dickies ensemble and its what you see in the films.do you require a a scan of a lemon if i tell you i have it for sale?but yes i agree you have a right to see it before getting it.if you want the expensive materials i know where one is possibly.ill not tell you but if i was hired to do so id have to whether or not i like or dislike you.thats a lost cause anyways and i can do it if asked maybe.but whose the asker?its got excellent provenance the one im alking about at the forum and what more can i say?anything ape worn had excellent provenance.please dont spoil my new years! im not seeking to ruin yours either.all im guilty of is mistaking the wardrobe for an orbital pricetag realized in the past with similar sold costumes-profiles in history and pop culture magazine,maybe sothebys.and no i dont have worthless shit as i can document and provide proof of each item im offering as either an affilliate or outright seller.if im paid as a finder of something which is only fair and im modest most of the time-some exceptions then i will get it and thats sufficient for most! ill not misrepresent any entities as its others loot.unless i put a payment on it but even then its almost in llimbo.if i own it ill say i own t and if not ill  tell you that too.havent you ever made an error?that was a big one on my part ill admit but not too deceive or rob anyone of their hard earned cash as you say.ive got nothing to prove to you but i can prove the validity of the garments in question.i already did as far as im concerned.you are a discriminating buyer and thats dandy.but you are wrong to say im too outrageous in my asking price.ive never seen more than a small handful of backgrounds let alone soldier outfits.so they are obviously drying up! there getting as extinct as the dinosaurs if you ask me.look everywhere for a $500 outfit like mine or it rather.you find it at any price under 2k-3k with accessories and $1200-$1500 or my $1800 or more w/o good luck to you in your quest!kudos then to you although its going to be a very difficult task i assume!actually i know it will be and thats not a guess,a fact i state.but still its worth consideraby more.you have been a gigantic pain in my ass and im fed up.who the heck do you think you are?and no im not on the gear BUT ILL NEED A DRINK WHEN IM FINISHED WITH YOU.you say you dont know me but ive offered an address,details of the outfit,a written as well as an online receipt,i wouldbe supplied a number too if a sale or more q-a based solely upon any purchase,anyone at all i said earlier!and i get blasted for tryinh to do a good deed however renegade it seems to you.dont worry about my coming back as ill not be a glutton for punishment and youve a big mouth like me and thats the problem as i defend and wont be called names that have no real basis in the matter at hand.no ones trying to take advantage of anyone but rather sell at a critical time.and i said a best offer if not good enough.and good luck to you in scouting bargains as its not bargains you seek as much as to take advantage of my generosity.yes i say my genorosity.you can have the last word.but hear me out please and stop tarnishing my name at apes as 2 can and will play at that game.you meet with me anytime face to face and ill tell you how much of a nincompoop you are.im not mr tuff guy but ill take a stand.you ruined it for many ape fans to cash in on many bargains.you ruined and not me.what are you trying to be,a consumer apes advocate.i was going to apologize and be a bigger guy and say ok ive seen the error of my way.and that if im such a rip offer in proposed pricing im going to improve at ripoffology and lessen the prices of anything i buy for resell or as a middleman.but since im not out to rip off but deliver a bargain ill not have to coincide with your belief.that is all and no im not ripping anyone off at my vantage point.this used to be a full time job for me and yes i dont deal dilligently always but mosty i strive for the best or somewhere close to it.not try as much as do!sorry you feel that way and are you really worried about your friends at apes or your own over inflated ego?maybe both but you need not worry of me and hopefully ive convinced terry youre wrong here or too accusatory!as for the relic or clothing swath idea topps does it routinely-mib2, scooby doo 2,ghostwhisperer, xfiles,charmed, hercules, zena,bsg, twiight zone,etc.i got lady deathstrikes- kelly hus costume card from xmen 2.i had some good dough not tons but enough to buy her wardrobe at 1 poibt but now its up to sales or nope!without further adue i simply wanted a pieceworks card and for $10 i got one.they were issued 1/177 packs i think.so i got one w/o spending all my time/money with packs!sure theyre nice but ill settle for a card set ans 1 auto.card and i clothing card.they sell at $25-$40-ebay and vast scifi webs most of the time and never less unless you meet a desperate seller.and yes i have them at $40-$50 give or take depends on who-hugh jackman,storm, cyclops,grey, rogue,etc! well i only spent 10 bucks and it was a deal if i paid $25 back them at least not so much nowadays as im a huge xmen fan.i got a nice souveneir at a great price w/o selling the farm.1000s of similar deals exist and i am an aid in many of them.ok i go alot on some pieces thats true but i also drastically reduce pricing.usually i do but if im firm and cant drop its price ill not do it.you really must twist my arm off then.to say theres few ape fans and no ones willing to pay big moohlah for the beneath costume is ridiculous.maybe in your world but not in mine normally! i had a jean claude van damme wardrobe for $1000 as an affilliate with permission.from a friend in the industry and yes ive established many contacts in my years.so quit laughing at me and quit being a bozo please.its not nice either.and it was $5-$7k as hes so popular back then and maybe still in some arenas.i wanted to get rid of it fast but wasnt desperate over its sale and wasnt gonna let folks like you criticize my knowledge of it.i passed all together on it and it sold at $350 as someone knew its awesome potential esp given the prominent connections of the seller.im sure its worth considerably more,$1000s not mere and insulting $100s.it was his luc outfit from universal soldier-the return.charcoa pants and a dress shirt as well as a tshirt in a separate auction.im still looking for 1 as a replacement but there sold out.so it was with that 1 blooper that i decided to never allow that to occur again.i know i can get 17xs what i wouldve paid for it.for van damme easy.for pota idk exactly but more than a stupid $500.you cant even buy a used car decint for that pricetag.many wealthy buyers would rather get the van damme,matt broderick,jim carrey,pota, kevin bacon,tom cruise,pam anderson,carmen electra,star trek tunic from either myself or another seller hyperthetically im saying than buy that volvo.im talking real fans where moneys no object.is a guy an asshole if he purchases the arnold worn onscreen T2 shirt-grey hanes xxxl for 3k?how many exist and how popular is schwarzenegger and his fils get re runs constantly like twins,eraser, commando, predator? i say hes a smart man who bought the luc ensemble but thats alot lower than id ask for it.id ask more but id go to 3k or a lil less perhaps.if i had it and i know of its origin.its mine if i buy it or get a deposit for it maybe,maybe i said wil be mie to do with as i please.ive told folks about it and everything else and if they want it,ill accept a finders fee or buy it with there money assuming the sellers keen with my 3rd party thing.thats how i roll but theres exceptions.take care and good luck in finding a pota for your dreamland quote,eddy                                                      mswhitt@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:48:09 +1000

You can prove you are not oneBay?  How stupid do you think I am?

 

You can prove you ARE on eBay - but I can only take the word of a stranger who lies that you are NOT on eBay.

 

So you are admiting the background costumes are NOT worth much?  Hooray for that!

$450 is about right so you didn't get ripped off but NOBODY will pay much more than that and there are so few ape fans that you would LOSE money in a very big way of you butcher it.

 

Ummm...before I rang?  I never rang you.  Are you like on the gear or something?

 

Stop emailing me please Eddie and good luck buying worthess shit and ripping off innocents with it.

 

Michael

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 9:34 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

wait a minute and now i see some of your anger.as i said im not on ebay and can def prove it.my names mnopoly515 and i have zero sales.until i go there that is.while i may browse the site and talk to buyers im there to window shop.yes the backgrounds arent worth aot but i do have some interested in costume cards or the whole outfit.just because they come and go at apecity dont mean they arent worth a premium to another.what the heck are you talking about with the ebay fiasco.seriously im asking nicely please this time.whose the seller?i can provide you a scan but ill say its a nice outfit.im going to look it up in a book value and ill go with it.ok,ill spil something here i wanted not to say.its $450 for the outfit off my seller.i feel they should be 1k or so but thats 'me.i mean how many you know that own one?not many ill net my hard earned money.as for a pee contest this wasnt fun but it was almost fun ill note.you say you wont buy from me and i ask why?if i got you a scan id bet youd change your mind.but youre made up and ill have to leave it alone.but no im not on ebay and thanks for the info.i saw a teen apes outfit with doc martins before you rang.i saw a background outfit at a private web.its for show and not sell.ok mike and as always i learn more and more from you guys.sorry we couldnt do biz.i was all for it but you passed.i hope you get one somewhere you do trust.il never bother you again and i may join ape city if im not blackballed by you too too much.cheers, eb    

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From: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:58:20 +1000

Eddie

 

Nobody is goiung to buy a cut up swath of a gorilla background costume - get real.

 

You have about 100 POTA fans to choose from who would not even pay you $5 each for a butchered piece of nothing.

 

I would not give a cheap con man like you a cent of my hard earned money.

 

I have an enormous POTA collection - far larger than the idiot who published a POTA collectibles book and his prices were horse shit too.

 

I have seen costumes come and go on eBay and through Apemania for 15 years and the background costumes ain't worth shit.  Unless of course there's a mask and a rifle and boots and a sash then they are worth a little more but you can't even show me a fucking photo you dill!

The one you are selling WAS on eBay and it's been taken off in the past couple of days.  Your descrition of the costume is VERY unclear and I believe it's intentionally so because you are conning people.

 

I do not want anything to do with you and I will reccomend the same approach to all the POTA fans I know.

 

Michael

 

 

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 6:06 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

$500 according to whose math?i emailed terry and told him i will own the item soon,maybe tomorrow.and yes maybe not to you but ill get at least $1800 for it.i dont intend a standoff but you started it.a big talker i am and i can back it with quality merchandise. one guy says its $450,another says $500,and another says $1000.so it looks like you want it for $500?i can have it cut up into 100s and 100s of tiny fabric swaths and make a bundle.maybe 50k or more as theres so many fans out there.l say thanks for showing me how much this costume is taken for granted.ive seen prices of 27k for lead apes costumes.ive seen 4k for soldier apes outfits.ive seen $700 for backgrounds but thats nonsense and ill not do that normally sir! now ill quote my source-pop culture magazine-2000. if im mistaken i do know ive seen them for many $1000s someplace.you say its worth $500 and i disagree.ill not sell it then.btw i did put it on further hold.its all paid up within 30 days or tomorrow if i want it that bad or someone else does!.i dont need the money as much as you think.i feel its at least a $2500 piece.i bought a wardrobe on ebay from premiere props.it was a foolish $125 with coa.ill prove it as the auctions been closed since 2004.i bought it and want 10k.its a 1/1 prop sold as far as i know.who are you to tell me anything!one of his suits went for an expected $20,000-$30, 000 at auction.his name is ray park aka darth maul.its his ballistic costume and i have proof if youd like.and yes i do own it and yes ill sell it for as much as id like not what anyone tells me to.its worth what someone will pay.you are right to call me a big talker.i am but i can support my testimonies. im not a know it all and i dont claim to be.ok maybe its value at $500-pota but where do you get your info  from?to you or someone else.but to me no way guy!one says 150 suits were made and another states 600 were made still a low number.hey put your money where your mouth is and if you want my costume ill sell it to you.but im not going under $1000 unless you prove to me what you say is the truth.even then i can refuse your bid but well wait and see!you find one cheaper prove it and ill talk lowered pricing to you.ill even do a cod with you but ill require id or something tangible.if youre so adamant that im a crook ill do it.its new years almost and you are partially right that im a dreamer.but so is alot of people.just for the heck of it what were you willing to pay,$500?it seems to me the only ones who need to be warned are ones whom you may want to take advantage of.i mean that if you prove in a book value its only worth $500 or with enough corroborating evidence ill go with your suggestion.im here to make folks satisfied not pissed at me like you are with me right now.and unfairly so! i told you if you meet with me ill show you the suit.once i get it or payment.i have a right to make a nice profit off its sale.ii cant submit a scan yet as thats illlegal but ill do it in terms of showing you a scan yourself.ill point you to the seller.i already outlined this but you hurl insults.ill not lower my standards because someone accuses me of being a phony.things can sell for $20000 that cost only $3000.like a death star piece and yes i know of some but no ill not tell you.im too afraid youll say im a fraud.i locate things as i told terry.i shouldnt have to justify myself to you but i feel the need.as i said id do a cod with you perhaps but ill need proof of you and that you are like me,legitimate. btw warn anyone you want to.when i have the costume in my hands ill put up pics and establish my credibility at the forum.ill not be slandered by you.i jumped the gun a bit and thats not terrys fault but my own.if you act civilized so will i and maybe,just maybe we can conduct a sale but that rests with you.ill prove i can get or have the outfit but get off my back please.i dont have nor do i know of a leather vest wardrobe from pota.i saw a few years ago and they were 4k.sorry if im being a jerk as i didnt want to even bother with you again.but i give 2nd chances even to the likes of you no offense who accuse me of wrongdoing.maybe i protest too much but im quite angry at these false allegations you have no merit,grounds, substance in making.ok merry xmas and im here if you need me,eddy                                    from: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:43:49 +1000

And you are trying to say that a BACKGROUND costume is worth $10,000?

Are you for real?

 

They go for about $500!

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:53 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

yes thats correct

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From: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:16:32 +1000

So it's an original screen worn BACKGROUND costume?

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From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_ 1@hotmail. com]
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:07 PM
To: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

Hello Michael/Sally and boy are you in luck.a seller is the one promoting the sale.im sorry if you were misled in any way.ill put a deposit on the costume or buy it 1st.its only $1800/bo and do tell me if thats ok.I WANTED 10K originally once i bought it.but even at 4k i figured id sell it in due time.wel i went to 3k and then a firm $2200.but now im offering it very cheap.youll need to take my word that its a 100% authentic western costume issued gorilla outfit used onscreen in the beneath film.2 are for immediate sale.if youll send me $480 ill reserve it for you.and ill issue a receipt online and written to be sent to you ttm.a money orders fine and if local ill meet with you inperson.im in mass.im a middleman guy and im not affilliated with the seller as of yet.sometimes im friends with or email them.i like it this way as its safe to me and im not risking anything.im reasonable and at ebay id go 4-5k at least!so tell me if its within your budget or ill see about lowering it foolish as it may sound.i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume card tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape fans.$100,000 is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s containing each a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a vest,shirt,pants, gloves.what a bargain and i promise you ive founded my biz on honesty,integrity, hard work-smarter not harder with some exceptions guys.ive only seen 5-6 similar outfits used in the prod of the franchise.ape prices are soaring nowadays.now i can get you pics of each wardrobe or anyone in particular but youll know my source.so i need to be covert for now.if i get my person in hollywood to accept a smaller deposit ill do it like that.i emailed them earlier and await a reply.the costumes for immediate sale as i  check weekly on it and other apparrels.so ill aid in the sale and please get back asap,ok!was used by an extra background actor in beneath the pota-1972 and is well documented as coming from the film studio.i beieve that to be 20th century fox and apjac productions somewhere in tow.let me email you back as im running out of room here.i used the reply box and its messy when i write alot!             From: mswhitty@dodo. com.au
To: ccc301_1@hotmail. com
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:36:46 +1000

I received this from Terry Hoknes.

 

I am interested in the BENEATH GORILLA OUTFIT.

 

Please send photos and a list of what’s included and your best price.

 

Also please list Megos, sideshows, any other collectibles (drum kit, radio, stunt cycles, zoom cycles etc).

 

Michael

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 11:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups. com; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !

 

 

Serious POTA collector Eddie Bliss (ccc301_1@hotmail. com) has asked me to let everyone know about his amazing collection of rare and unique items for sale

 

Here is the list

Please contact him directly with any questions

thanks

 

1972 pota worn gorilla costume from beneath film-$2000/bo with a reserve of $1350 was 4k orig  i read of these commanding in excess of $10000 at profiles in history perhaps.if a buyer wants the vest,shirt,pants, gloves from this wardrobe they need to let me know

12 waxpacks from the 1975 tv show,

1974 apes lunchbox metal w thermos c8 it says and its just $300/bo,

2 apes puzzles from 1976 only $80/bo

used pota gameboy game from the 2001 film for $30 firm.was $70 at release issue price.

2 jumpsuits from beneath pota 1972 worn onscreen.ill just want $1300/bo for one or $2400/set.awesome costume card idea 

have more cheaper stuff from planet of the apes like tshirts,caps, autographs, banks,statues, action figures,posters, megos,watches, jewelry,etc

 

western costume designed the outfits and only 600 are said to exist.

waxpacks are just $23/pack from an orig retail $30/pack price.

ill sell the dozen i have at only $250 or just under $21/waxpack. i had to pay alot for the packs-415 each one but a very fairv pricetag comparitive with star wars series 1-5

 

i have 2 outfits for sale.

only 1 jumpsuit from pota as ones been sold i do believe.

ill accept $3500 for both apes wardrobes.but ill include james remars boots rayden ones worn in mortal kombat.and if anyones interested in a wardrobe arnold schwarzenegger wore in end of days here goes,tank top,pants,dress shirt.obtained directly from the studio upon completion of filming.kodak stills serial numbered are offered from the seller when arnold wore it.its only $2800/bo from $14,300 firm originally!

 

a star trek tunic worn in one of the movies-search for spock i think only $700/bo,matthew brodericks worn shorts from cable guy only $250/bo,kevin bacon worn tshirt from a few good men,tom cruise worn dress shirt from a few good men,jack nicholson wardrobe from the same film-sold out but i do have a fabric swath display sectiom from another suit he wore in men,johnny depp worn dress shirt display piece,brandon lee worn costume display from the crow,pam anderson worn leather jacket display from barb wire,bernie mac worn display-charlies angels,george reeves worn cape display,jim carrey worn dress shirt display-bruce almighty,and each of these items are normally under $80.babe ruth worn jersey display framed plaque-$400 firm.its $700 same exact thing 1 seller and $300 my guy.

 

an actual death star display pice from 1977-$2000 firm and a fan paid 21k at auction for a similar item from the models.

 

its only $1500 firm for a tile used in star wars 1977s huge at 32 x 69 inches or more.it was gotten or purchased direct from the hiring company who did the props.it ws used onscreen either in the death star and an example is the interrogation room with leia or somewhere like that,millennium falcon aso had them.a fabulous artifact at 1/2 my retail price

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Terry is this true - did you apologise for me?
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_1@...]
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 8:15 AM
> To: mswhitty@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
>
>
> just heard from terry and he apologized for you!you should apologize,not
> him.what the heck do you mean good luck ripping off innocents?i told terry
> ill maybe now even donate the costume to a poor family but im not rich
> either and as poor as the next guy usually.or at least go to $500-$600
> perhaps if im gonna be accused of wrongdoing BY THE LIKES OF YOU.i asked you
> nicely to quit the name calling.you almost did but you accuse,accuse,accuse!
> please stop emailing me too AND ILL APOLOGIZE NOT TO YOU BUT FOR THINKING A
> NICE BUYER WAS AMONG THIS CROWD!and ill appreciate it if youd stop being a
> bozo!you want a scan and rightfully so.seems to me a scan wasnt promised in
> the 1st place but terrys going to get one and you wouldve too if a
> purchase.you inquired of the sale and then insulted me and good or not good
> that permits me to walk from you.i use a cheaper but not a really crappy
> its a vest,shirt,pants,gloves with a hollywood coa from western costume.now
> ill tell you more as youre carapulting me into it.its a dark brown vinyl
> vest with thick lines running across it from top to bottom,its a grey
> shirt,a grey pair of pants,a darker pair of matching gloves.looks like a
> dickies ensemble and its what you see in the films.do you require a a scan
> of a lemon if i tell you i have it for sale?but yes i agree you have a right
> to see it before getting it.if you want the expensive materials i know where
> one is possibly.ill not tell you but if i was hired to do so id have to
> whether or not i like or dislike you.thats a lost cause anyways and i can do
> it if asked maybe.but whose the asker?its got excellent provenance the one
> im alking about at the forum and what more can i say?anything ape worn had
> excellent provenance.please dont spoil my new years! im not seeking to ruin
> yours either.all im guilty of is mistaking the wardrobe for an orbital
> pricetag realized in the past with similar sold costumes-profiles in history
> and pop culture magazine,maybe sothebys.and no i dont have worthless shit as
> i can document and provide proof of each item im offering as either an
> affilliate or outright seller.if im paid as a finder of something which is
> only fair and im modest most of the time-some exceptions then i will get it
> and thats sufficient for most! ill not misrepresent any entities as its
> others loot.unless i put a payment on it but even then its almost in
> llimbo.if i own it ill say i own t and if not ill tell you that too.havent
> you ever made an error?that was a big one on my part ill admit but not too
> deceive or rob anyone of their hard earned cash as you say.ive got nothing
> to prove to you but i can prove the validity of the garments in question.i
> already did as far as im concerned.you are a discriminating buyer and thats
> dandy.but you are wrong to say im too outrageous in my asking price.ive
> never seen more than a small handful of backgrounds let alone soldier
> outfits.so they are obviously drying up! there getting as extinct as the
> dinosaurs if you ask me.look everywhere for a $500 outfit like mine or it
> rather.you find it at any price under 2k-3k with accessories and $1200-$1500
> or my $1800 or more w/o good luck to you in your quest!kudos then to you
> although its going to be a very difficult task i assume!actually i know it
> will be and thats not a guess,a fact i state.but still its worth consideraby
> more.you have been a gigantic pain in my ass and im fed up.who the heck do
> you think you are?and no im not on the gear BUT ILL NEED A DRINK WHEN IM
> FINISHED WITH YOU.you say you dont know me but ive offered an
> address,details of the outfit,a written as well as an online receipt,i
> wouldbe supplied a number too if a sale or more q-a based solely upon any
> purchase,anyone at all i said earlier!and i get blasted for tryinh to do a
> good deed however renegade it seems to you.dont worry about my coming back
> as ill not be a glutton for punishment and youve a big mouth like me and
> thats the problem as i defend and wont be called names that have no real
> basis in the matter at hand.no ones trying to take advantage of anyone but
> rather sell at a critical time.and i said a best offer if not good
> enough.and good luck to you in scouting bargains as its not bargains you
> seek as much as to take advantage of my generosity.yes i say my
> genorosity.you can have the last word.but hear me out please and stop
> tarnishing my name at apes as 2 can and will play at that game.you meet with
> me anytime face to face and ill tell you how much of a nincompoop you are.im
> not mr tuff guy but ill take a stand.you ruined it for many ape fans to cash
> in on many bargains.you ruined and not me.what are you trying to be,a
> consumer apes advocate.i was going to apologize and be a bigger guy and say
> ok ive seen the error of my way.and that if im such a rip offer in proposed
> pricing im going to improve at ripoffology and lessen the prices of anything
> i buy for resell or as a middleman.but since im not out to rip off but
> deliver a bargain ill not have to coincide with your belief.that is all and
> no im not ripping anyone off at my vantage point.this used to be a full time
> job for me and yes i dont deal dilligently always but mosty i strive for the
> best or somewhere close to it.not try as much as do!sorry you feel that way
> and are you really worried about your friends at apes or your own over
> inflated ego?maybe both but you need not worry of me and hopefully ive
> convinced terry youre wrong here or too accusatory!as for the relic or
> clothing swath idea topps does it routinely-mib2,scooby doo
> 2,ghostwhisperer,xfiles,charmed,hercules,zena,bsg,twiight zone,etc.i got
> lady deathstrikes-kelly hus costume card from xmen 2.i had some good dough
> not tons but enough to buy her wardrobe at 1 poibt but now its up to sales
> or nope!without further adue i simply wanted a pieceworks card and for $10 i
> got one.they were issued 1/177 packs i think.so i got one w/o spending all
> my time/money with packs!sure theyre nice but ill settle for a card set ans
> 1 auto.card and i clothing card.they sell at $25-$40-ebay and vast scifi
> webs most of the time and never less unless you meet a desperate seller.and
> yes i have them at $40-$50 give or take depends on who-hugh
> jackman,storm,cyclops,grey,rogue,etc!well i only spent 10 bucks and it was a
> deal if i paid $25 back them at least not so much nowadays as im a huge xmen
> fan.i got a nice souveneir at a great price w/o selling the farm.1000s of
> similar deals exist and i am an aid in many of them.ok i go alot on some
> pieces thats true but i also drastically reduce pricing.usually i do but if
> im firm and cant drop its price ill not do it.you really must twist my arm
> off then.to say theres few ape fans and no ones willing to pay big moohlah
> for the beneath costume is ridiculous.maybe in your world but not in mine
> normally! i had a jean claude van damme wardrobe for $1000 as an affilliate
> with permission.from a friend in the industry and yes ive established many
> contacts in my years.so quit laughing at me and quit being a bozo please.its
> not nice either.and it was $5-$7k as hes so popular back then and maybe
> still in some arenas.i wanted to get rid of it fast but wasnt desperate over
> its sale and wasnt gonna let folks like you criticize my knowledge of it.i
> passed all together on it and it sold at $350 as someone knew its awesome
> potential esp given the prominent connections of the seller.im sure its
> worth considerably more,$1000s not mere and insulting $100s.it was his luc
> outfit from universal soldier-the return.charcoa pants and a dress shirt as
> well as a tshirt in a separate auction.im still looking for 1 as a
> replacement but there sold out.so it was with that 1 blooper that i decided
> to never allow that to occur again.i know i can get 17xs what i wouldve paid
> for it.for van damme easy.for pota idk exactly but more than a stupid
> $500.you cant even buy a used car decint for that pricetag.many wealthy
> buyers would rather get the van damme,matt broderick,jim carrey,pota,kevin
> bacon,tom cruise,pam anderson,carmen electra,star trek tunic from either
> myself or another seller hyperthetically im saying than buy that volvo.im
> talking real fans where moneys no object.is a guy an asshole if he purchases
> the arnold worn onscreen T2 shirt-grey hanes xxxl for 3k?how many exist and
> how popular is schwarzenegger and his fils get re runs constantly like
> twins,eraser,commando,predator?i say hes a smart man who bought the luc
> ensemble but thats alot lower than id ask for it.id ask more but id go to 3k
> or a lil less perhaps.if i had it and i know of its origin.its mine if i buy
> it or get a deposit for it maybe,maybe i said wil be mie to do with as i
> please.ive told folks about it and everything else and if they want it,ill
> accept a finders fee or buy it with there money assuming the sellers keen
> with my 3rd party thing.thats how i roll but theres exceptions.take care and
> good luck in finding a pota for your dreamland quote,eddy
> mswhitt@...
> To: ccc301_1@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:48:09 +1000
>
>
> You can prove you are not oneBay? How stupid do you think I am?
>
> You can prove you ARE on eBay - but I can only take the word of a stranger
> who lies that you are NOT on eBay.
>
> So you are admiting the background costumes are NOT worth much? Hooray for
> that!
>
> $450 is about right so you didn't get ripped off but NOBODY will pay much
> more than that and there are so few ape fans that you would LOSE money in a
> very big way of you butcher it.
>
> Ummm...before I rang? I never rang you. Are you like on the gear or
> something?
>
> Stop emailing me please Eddie and good luck buying worthess shit and ripping
> off innocents with it.
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_1@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 9:34 PM
> To: mswhitty@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
>
>
> wait a minute and now i see some of your anger.as i said im not on ebay and
> can def prove it.my names mnopoly515 and i have zero sales.until i go there
> that is.while i may browse the site and talk to buyers im there to window
> shop.yes the backgrounds arent worth aot but i do have some interested in
> costume cards or the whole outfit.just because they come and go at apecity
> dont mean they arent worth a premium to another.what the heck are you
> talking about with the ebay fiasco.seriously im asking nicely please this
> time.whose the seller?i can provide you a scan but ill say its a nice
> outfit.im going to look it up in a book value and ill go with it.ok,ill spil
> something here i wanted not to say.its $450 for the outfit off my seller.i
> feel they should be 1k or so but thats 'me.i mean how many you know that own
> one?not many ill net my hard earned money.as for a pee contest this wasnt
> fun but it was almost fun ill note.you say you wont buy from me and i ask
> why?if i got you a scan id bet youd change your mind.but youre made up and
> ill have to leave it alone.but no im not on ebay and thanks for the info.i
> saw a teen apes outfit with doc martins before you rang.i saw a background
> outfit at a private web.its for show and not sell.ok mike and as always i
> learn more and more from you guys.sorry we couldnt do biz.i was all for it
> but you passed.i hope you get one somewhere you do trust.il never bother you
> again and i may join ape city if im not blackballed by you too too
> much.cheers,eb
>
>
> _____
>
> From: mswhitty@...
> To: ccc301_1@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:58:20 +1000
>
>
> Eddie
>
> Nobody is goiung to buy a cut up swath of a gorilla background costume - get
> real.
>
> You have about 100 POTA fans to choose from who would not even pay you $5
> each for a butchered piece of nothing.
>
> I would not give a cheap con man like you a cent of my hard earned money.
>
> I have an enormous POTA collection - far larger than the idiot who published
> a POTA collectibles book and his prices were horse shit too.
>
> I have seen costumes come and go on eBay and through Apemania for 15 years
> and the background costumes ain't worth shit. Unless of course there's a
> mask and a rifle and boots and a sash then they are worth a little more but
> you can't even show me a fucking photo you dill!
>
> The one you are selling WAS on eBay and it's been taken off in the past
> couple of days. Your descrition of the costume is VERY unclear and I
> believe it's intentionally so because you are conning people.
>
> I do not want anything to do with you and I will reccomend the same approach
> to all the POTA fans I know.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_1@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 6:06 PM
> To: mswhitty@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
>
>
> $500 according to whose math?i emailed terry and told him i will own the
> item soon,maybe tomorrow.and yes maybe not to you but ill get at least $1800
> for it.i dont intend a standoff but you started it.a big talker i am and i
> can back it with quality merchandise.one guy says its $450,another says
> $500,and another says $1000.so it looks like you want it for $500?i can have
> it cut up into 100s and 100s of tiny fabric swaths and make a bundle.maybe
> 50k or more as theres so many fans out there.l say thanks for showing me how
> much this costume is taken for granted.ive seen prices of 27k for lead apes
> costumes.ive seen 4k for soldier apes outfits.ive seen $700 for backgrounds
> but thats nonsense and ill not do that normally sir! now ill quote my
> source-pop culture magazine-2000.if im mistaken i do know ive seen them for
> many $1000s someplace.you say its worth $500 and i disagree.ill not sell it
> then.btw i did put it on further hold.its all paid up within 30 days or
> tomorrow if i want it that bad or someone else does!.i dont need the money
> as much as you think.i feel its at least a $2500 piece.i bought a wardrobe
> on ebay from premiere props.it was a foolish $125 with coa.ill prove it as
> the auctions been closed since 2004.i bought it and want 10k.its a 1/1 prop
> sold as far as i know.who are you to tell me anything!one of his suits went
> for an expected $20,000-$30,000 at auction.his name is ray park aka darth
> maul.its his ballistic costume and i have proof if youd like.and yes i do
> own it and yes ill sell it for as much as id like not what anyone tells me
> to.its worth what someone will pay.you are right to call me a big talker.i
> am but i can support my testimonies.im not a know it all and i dont claim to
> be.ok maybe its value at $500-pota but where do you get your info from?to
> you or someone else.but to me no way guy!one says 150 suits were made and
> another states 600 were made still a low number.hey put your money where
> your mouth is and if you want my costume ill sell it to you.but im not going
> under $1000 unless you prove to me what you say is the truth.even then i can
> refuse your bid but well wait and see!you find one cheaper prove it and ill
> talk lowered pricing to you.ill even do a cod with you but ill require id or
> something tangible.if youre so adamant that im a crook ill do it.its new
> years almost and you are partially right that im a dreamer.but so is alot of
> people.just for the heck of it what were you willing to pay,$500?it seems to
> me the only ones who need to be warned are ones whom you may want to take
> advantage of.i mean that if you prove in a book value its only worth $500 or
> with enough corroborating evidence ill go with your suggestion.im here to
> make folks satisfied not pissed at me like you are with me right now.and
> unfairly so! i told you if you meet with me ill show you the suit.once i get
> it or payment.i have a right to make a nice profit off its sale.ii cant
> submit a scan yet as thats illlegal but ill do it in terms of showing you a
> scan yourself.ill point you to the seller.i already outlined this but you
> hurl insults.ill not lower my standards because someone accuses me of being
> a phony.things can sell for $20000 that cost only $3000.like a death star
> piece and yes i know of some but no ill not tell you.im too afraid youll say
> im a fraud.i locate things as i told terry.i shouldnt have to justify myself
> to you but i feel the need.as i said id do a cod with you perhaps but ill
> need proof of you and that you are like me,legitimate.btw warn anyone you
> want to.when i have the costume in my hands ill put up pics and establish my
> credibility at the forum.ill not be slandered by you.i jumped the gun a bit
> and thats not terrys fault but my own.if you act civilized so will i and
> maybe,just maybe we can conduct a sale but that rests with you.ill prove i
> can get or have the outfit but get off my back please.i dont have nor do i
> know of a leather vest wardrobe from pota.i saw a few years ago and they
> were 4k.sorry if im being a jerk as i didnt want to even bother with you
> again.but i give 2nd chances even to the likes of you no offense who accuse
> me of wrongdoing.maybe i protest too much but im quite angry at these false
> allegations you have no merit,grounds,substance in making.ok merry xmas and
> im here if you need me,eddy from:
> mswhitty@...
> To: ccc301_1@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:43:49 +1000
>
>
> And you are trying to say that a BACKGROUND costume is worth $10,000?
>
> Are you for real?
>
> They go for about $500!
>
> _____
>
> From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_1@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:53 PM
> To: mswhitty@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
>
>
> yes thats correct
>
>
> _____
>
> From: mswhitty@...
> To: ccc301_1@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:16:32 +1000
>
>
> So it's an original screen worn BACKGROUND costume?
>
> _____
>
> From: Eddie Bliss [ccc301_1@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 12:07 PM
> To: mswhitty@...
> Subject: RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
>
>
> Hello Michael/Sally and boy are you in luck.a seller is the one promoting
> the sale.im sorry if you were misled in any way.ill put a deposit on the
> costume or buy it 1st.its only $1800/bo and do tell me if thats ok.I WANTED
> 10K originally once i bought it.but even at 4k i figured id sell it in due
> time.wel i went to 3k and then a firm $2200.but now im offering it very
> cheap.youll need to take my word that its a 100% authentic western costume
> issued gorilla outfit used onscreen in the beneath film.2 are for immediate
> sale.if youll send me $480 ill reserve it for you.and ill issue a receipt
> online and written to be sent to you ttm.a money orders fine and if local
> ill meet with you inperson.im in mass.im a middleman guy and im not
> affilliated with the seller as of yet.sometimes im friends with or email
> them.i like it this way as its safe to me and im not risking anything.im
> reasonable and at ebay id go 4-5k at least!so tell me if its within your
> budget or ill see about lowering it foolish as it may sound.i was going to
> cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume card tiny swaths.id make
> $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape fans.$100,000 is possible if i
> charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s containing each a genuine piece of
> the costume-which consists of a vest,shirt,pants,gloves.what a bargain and i
> promise you ive founded my biz on honesty,integrity,hard work-smarter not
> harder with some exceptions guys.ive only seen 5-6 similar outfits used in
> the prod of the franchise.ape prices are soaring nowadays.now i can get you
> pics of each wardrobe or anyone in particular but youll know my source.so i
> need to be covert for now.if i get my person in hollywood to accept a
> smaller deposit ill do it like that.i emailed them earlier and await a
> reply.the costumes for immediate sale as i check weekly on it and other
> apparrels.so ill aid in the sale and please get back asap,ok!was used by an
> extra background actor in beneath the pota-1972 and is well documented as
> coming from the film studio.i beieve that to be 20th century fox and apjac
> productions somewhere in tow.let me email you back as im running out of room
> here.i used the reply box and its messy when i write alot! From:
> mswhitty@...
> To: ccc301_1@...
> Subject: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:36:46 +1000
>
>
>
> I received this from Terry Hoknes.
>
>
>
> I am interested in the BENEATH GORILLA OUTFIT.
>
>
>
> Please send photos and a list of what's included and your best price.
>
>
>
> Also please list Megos, sideshows, any other collectibles (drum kit, radio,
> stunt cycles, zoom cycles etc).
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Terry Hoknes
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 11:09 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR SALE
> !
>
>
>
>
>
> Serious POTA collector Eddie Bliss (ccc301_1@...) has asked me to
> let everyone know about his amazing collection of rare and unique items for
> sale
>
>
>
> Here is the list
>
> Please contact him directly with any questions
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> 1972 pota worn gorilla costume from beneath film-$2000/bo with a reserve of
> $1350 was 4k orig i read of these commanding in excess of $10000 at
> profiles in history perhaps.if a buyer wants the vest,shirt,pants,gloves
> from this wardrobe they need to let me know
>
> 12 waxpacks from the 1975 tv show,
>
> 1974 apes lunchbox metal w thermos c8 it says and its just $300/bo,
>
> 2 apes puzzles from 1976 only $80/bo
>
> used pota gameboy game from the 2001 film for $30 firm.was $70 at release
> issue price.
>
> 2 jumpsuits from beneath pota 1972 worn onscreen.ill just want $1300/bo for
> one or $2400/set.awesome costume card idea
>
> have more cheaper stuff from planet of the apes like
> tshirts,caps,autographs,banks,statues,action
> figures,posters,megos,watches,jewelry,etc
>
>
>
> western costume designed the outfits and only 600 are said to exist.
>
> waxpacks are just $23/pack from an orig retail $30/pack price.
>
> ill sell the dozen i have at only $250 or just under $21/waxpack.i had to
> pay alot for the packs-415 each one but a very fairv pricetag comparitive
> with star wars series 1-5
>
>
>
> i have 2 outfits for sale.
>
> only 1 jumpsuit from pota as ones been sold i do believe.
>
> ill accept $3500 for both apes wardrobes.but ill include james remars boots
> rayden ones worn in mortal kombat.and if anyones interested in a wardrobe
> arnold schwarzenegger wore in end of days here goes,tank top,pants,dress
> shirt.obtained directly from the studio upon completion of filming.kodak
> stills serial numbered are offered from the seller when arnold wore it.its
> only $2800/bo from $14,300 firm originally!
>
>
>
> a star trek tunic worn in one of the movies-search for spock i think only
> $700/bo,matthew brodericks worn shorts from cable guy only $250/bo,kevin
> bacon worn tshirt from a few good men,tom cruise worn dress shirt from a few
> good men,jack nicholson wardrobe from the same film-sold out but i do have a
> fabric swath display sectiom from another suit he wore in men,johnny depp
> worn dress shirt display piece,brandon lee worn costume display from the
> crow,pam anderson worn leather jacket display from barb wire,bernie mac worn
> display-charlies angels,george reeves worn cape display,jim carrey worn
> dress shirt display-bruce almighty,and each of these items are normally
> under $80.babe ruth worn jersey display framed plaque-$400 firm.its $700
> same exact thing 1 seller and $300 my guy.
>
>
>
> an actual death star display pice from 1977-$2000 firm and a fan paid 21k at
> auction for a similar item from the models.
>
>
>
> its only $1500 firm for a tile used in star wars 1977s huge at 32 x 69
> inches or more.it was gotten or purchased direct from the hiring company who
> did the props.it ws used onscreen either in the death star and an example is
> the interrogation room with leia or somewhere like that,millennium falcon
> aso had them.a fabulous artifact at 1/2 my retail price
>
>
>
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim and same to you, and everyone else here.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 2:57 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Season's Greetings
>
>
>
> That's great Neil! Thanks....I hadn't checked apemail since before
> Christmas...
> I hope everyone had a great Christmas and will have a Happy and Prosperous
> New Year!!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 3:44:29 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Season's Greetings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To all my friends on the group I hope you have a Merry Christmas and the
> Happiest of Festive Seasons whatever your beliefs.
>
> Neil T. Foster
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Uhhh...I think he's being sarcastic.....
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> PofTAfan@...
> Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 2:50 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION
> FOR SALE !
>
>
>
>
> You going to ruin a chest plate from beneath to make a few lowsy bucks! Well
> count me out. I wouldn't pay 50 cents for pieces of Ursus chest plate.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 4:25 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION FOR
> SALE !
>
>
>
> Hey guys! Great news. I recently came across Ursus' chest piece armour at an
> online auction & I'm willing to share my good fortune with all of you by
> pulling it apart & selling squares for $500 each. This is only for you guys,
> cause I like you. Now the pieces kinda, sorta look like silver door hinges
> but that's just how the armour came apart. Luckily its a really big piece so
> I think I may be able to sell one to all the 1000's of fans here on the
> web.....but first come, first serve, so please send me your money today!!!
>
> *sinister smirk*
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, jessica
> rotich <jessicarotich@> wrote:
> >
> > We apes fans are depressingly few in number, unfortunately...
> >
> > My heart skipped a beat when I read that Eddie plans on making swatches
> out
> > of the costume. It was like a gut puncher. That is sacrilege right there.
> > How dare anyone even think that? Eddie, please don't do that.
> >
> > I can't believe the year has come and gone. Everyone be safe...and keep
> > those flags flying. Long live Planet of the Apes!!!
> >
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if saying there are "legions of fans" funny or depressing.
> > > Funny, because if this guys really believes it, he's delusional.
> > > Depressing, because we all know that while there are still plenty of us
> > > around, it isn't 'legions' numbers.
> > >
> > > Poor Michael having to decypher Eddie's emails. I had a clue when I read
> > > the original email announcing the 'sale'. The moment a seller says that
> > > it should be worth X dollars because they paid Y dollars when the bought
> > > it, it's time to walk away. The value of any particular item is only
> > > what you have a buyer willing to spend, no more, no less. Things go up
> > > in value, and at other times, go down. To say that it is at least worth
> > > what someone paid ages ago does not have any bearing on the price.
> > >
> > > I had a good laugh when he said that he considered tearing up the
> > > costume into small pieces for individual sale. It would mean that there
> > > was one less costume around, and if anything, it would just increase the
> > > prices of the other remaining intact costumes.
> > >
> > > Another year, another speculator thinking there are riches to be had
> > > from POTA fans.
> > >
> > > Have a good 2010 POTADG'ers!
> > >
> > > Dario
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: mlccougar@ <mlccougar%40aol.com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> > > COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *** That's pretty funny... ***
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > > mswhitty@ <mswhitty%40dodo.com.au> writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of costume
> > > > card
> > > > > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions of ape
> > > > fans.$100,000
> > > > > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> > > > containing each
> > > > > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> > > > vest,shirt,pants,gloves.
> > > > </HTML>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/>
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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010 11:54 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION
FOR SALE !

> Knew I could count on you to "get it." Sorry to anyone who didn't.
> Just having some fun in light of everything going on between
> Michael & scam artist *cough* I mean Eddie. ;)
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <mswhitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Uhhh...I think he's being sarcastic.....
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > PofTAfan@...
> > Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 2:50 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> COLLECTION> FOR SALE !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You going to ruin a chest plate from beneath to make a few lowsy
> bucks! Well
> > count me out. I wouldn't pay 50 cents for pieces of Ursus chest
> plate.>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 4:25 pm
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> COLLECTION FOR
> > SALE !
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys! Great news. I recently came across Ursus' chest piece
> armour at an
> > online auction & I'm willing to share my good fortune with all of
> you by
> > pulling it apart & selling squares for $500 each. This is only
> for you guys,
> > cause I like you. Now the pieces kinda, sorta look like silver
> door hinges
> > but that's just how the armour came apart. Luckily its a really
> big piece so
> > I think I may be able to sell one to all the 1000's of fans here
> on the
> > web.....but first come, first serve, so please send me your money
> today!!!>
> > *sinister smirk*
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> jessica> rotich <jessicarotich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We apes fans are depressingly few in number, unfortunately...
> > >
> > > My heart skipped a beat when I read that Eddie plans on making
> swatches> out
> > > of the costume. It was like a gut puncher. That is sacrilege
> right there.
> > > How dare anyone even think that? Eddie, please don't do that.
> > >
> > > I can't believe the year has come and gone. Everyone be
> safe...and keep
> > > those flags flying. Long live Planet of the Apes!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if saying there are "legions of fans" funny or
> depressing.> > > Funny, because if this guys really believes it,
> he's delusional.
> > > > Depressing, because we all know that while there are still
> plenty of us
> > > > around, it isn't 'legions' numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Poor Michael having to decypher Eddie's emails. I had a clue
> when I read
> > > > the original email announcing the 'sale'. The moment a seller
> says that
> > > > it should be worth X dollars because they paid Y dollars when
> the bought
> > > > it, it's time to walk away. The value of any particular item
> is only
> > > > what you have a buyer willing to spend, no more, no less.
> Things go up
> > > > in value, and at other times, go down. To say that it is at
> least worth
> > > > what someone paid ages ago does not have any bearing on the
> price.> > >
> > > > I had a good laugh when he said that he considered tearing up
> the> > > costume into small pieces for individual sale. It would
> mean that there
> > > > was one less costume around, and if anything, it would just
> increase the
> > > > prices of the other remaining intact costumes.
> > > >
> > > > Another year, another speculator thinking there are riches to
> be had
> > > > from POTA fans.
> > > >
> > > > Have a good 2010 POTADG'ers!
> > > >
> > > > Dario
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: mlccougar@ <mlccougar%40aol.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> > > > COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** That's pretty funny... ***
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard
> Time,> > > > mswhitty@ <mswhitty%40dodo.com.au> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of
> costume> > > > card
> > > > > > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions
> of ape
> > > > > fans.$100,000
> > > > > > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> > > > > containing each
> > > > > > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> > > > > vest,shirt,pants,gloves.
> > > > > </HTML>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

I thought your offering was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010 11:54 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS & COLLECTION
FOR SALE !

> Knew I could count on you to "get it." Sorry to anyone who didn't.
> Just having some fun in light of everything going on between
> Michael & scam artist *cough* I mean Eddie. ;)
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
> <mswhitty@...> wrote:
> >
> > Uhhh...I think he's being sarcastic.....
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > PofTAfan@...
> > Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 2:50 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> COLLECTION> FOR SALE !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You going to ruin a chest plate from beneath to make a few lowsy
> bucks! Well
> > count me out. I wouldn't pay 50 cents for pieces of Ursus chest
> plate.>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 4:25 pm
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> COLLECTION FOR
> > SALE !
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys! Great news. I recently came across Ursus' chest piece
> armour at an
> > online auction & I'm willing to share my good fortune with all of
> you by
> > pulling it apart & selling squares for $500 each. This is only
> for you guys,
> > cause I like you. Now the pieces kinda, sorta look like silver
> door hinges
> > but that's just how the armour came apart. Luckily its a really
> big piece so
> > I think I may be able to sell one to all the 1000's of fans here
> on the
> > web.....but first come, first serve, so please send me your money
> today!!!>
> > *sinister smirk*
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto: PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> jessica> rotich <jessicarotich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We apes fans are depressingly few in number, unfortunately...
> > >
> > > My heart skipped a beat when I read that Eddie plans on making
> swatches> out
> > > of the costume. It was like a gut puncher. That is sacrilege
> right there.
> > > How dare anyone even think that? Eddie, please don't do that.
> > >
> > > I can't believe the year has come and gone. Everyone be
> safe...and keep
> > > those flags flying. Long live Planet of the Apes!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Jess.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if saying there are "legions of fans" funny or
> depressing.> > > Funny, because if this guys really believes it,
> he's delusional.
> > > > Depressing, because we all know that while there are still
> plenty of us
> > > > around, it isn't 'legions' numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Poor Michael having to decypher Eddie's emails. I had a clue
> when I read
> > > > the original email announcing the 'sale'. The moment a seller
> says that
> > > > it should be worth X dollars because they paid Y dollars when
> the bought
> > > > it, it's time to walk away. The value of any particular item
> is only
> > > > what you have a buyer willing to spend, no more, no less.
> Things go up
> > > > in value, and at other times, go down. To say that it is at
> least worth
> > > > what someone paid ages ago does not have any bearing on the
> price.> > >
> > > > I had a good laugh when he said that he considered tearing up
> the> > > costume into small pieces for individual sale. It would
> mean that there
> > > > was one less costume around, and if anything, it would just
> increase the
> > > > prices of the other remaining intact costumes.
> > > >
> > > > Another year, another speculator thinking there are riches to
> be had
> > > > from POTA fans.
> > > >
> > > > Have a good 2010 POTADG'ers!
> > > >
> > > > Dario
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: mlccougar@ <mlccougar%40aol.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:46 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: PLANET OF THE APES - ORIGINAL ITEMS &
> > > > COLLECTION FOR SALE !
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** That's pretty funny... ***
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 12/30/2009 9:47:51 PM Central Standard
> Time,> > > > mswhitty@ <mswhitty%40dodo.com.au> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > i was going to cut up the garments into 100s and 100s of
> costume> > > > card
> > > > > > tiny swaths.id make $50000-$75000 easily with the legions
> of ape
> > > > > fans.$100,000
> > > > > > is possible if i charged more for the imitede edition 3x5s
> > > > > containing each
> > > > > > a genuine piece of the costume-which consists of a
> > > > > vest,shirt,pants,gloves.
> > > > > </HTML>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > > http://groups. < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/>
> > yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:49 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/22077/1/SCOTT-FRANK-ESCAPES-THE-PLANET-OF-THE\-APES/Page1.html"

By Devin Faraci


A year ago we told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing a movie that
would be essentially a ground-up reimagining of Conquest of the Planet Of the
Apes; called Caesar it would be about a genetically altered simian that led an
ape revolution. Click here to read that initial report.

And that was the last we heard of it.

Until now. It turns out that Frank has left the project and the future of Caesar
remains up in the air at Fox; my guess is that the project goes back on the
shelf for the time being. Or rather that it's been on the shelf; my sources
indicate that Frank has been off the movie for a little while now.

So what killed Caesar? Exactly what you'd expect from Fox: it was too expensive
and seen as too dark. I'm not sure what other tone they were expecting from a
movie about the end of humanity; maybe something with more uplift. I haven't
read Frank's draft, but I'm guessing the film might have been too cerebral for
the studio as well; Frank's a smart writer, and Fox makes movies like X-Men
Origins: Wolverine. You can see how this wasn't always a good fit.

I'm kind of bummed. Frank's take on the material sounded unique and different
enough that it wouldn't have been a shameless remake of what came before. I'm
always for smart, thought-provoking scifi, and that's what this was shaping up
to be. Here's hoping the Planet of the Apes IP manages to stay dormant for the
rest of the current regime. Maybe whoever comes next will understand that the
original series was dark and daring and smart and will be interested in going
that way again.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Is this from the upcoming Blam! book?
>
> http://serendipityartsales.net/files/Leibelman_L_POTA.jpg
>
> http://serendipityartsales.net/Leibelman_L_COMM01.html"
>
> Neil T. Foster
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> <A HREF=" http://chud.com/articles/articles/22077/1/SCOTT-FRANK-ESCAPES-THE-PLANET-OF-THE-APES/Page1.htmlquot;> http://chud.com/articles/articles/22077/1/SCOTT-FRANK-ESCAPES-THE-PLANET-OF-
> THE\-APES/Page1.htmllt;/A>
>
> By Devin Faraci
>
>
> A year ago we told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing a movie
> that
> would be essentially a ground-up reimagining of Conquest of the Planet Of
> the
> Apes; called Caesar it would be about a genetically altered simian that led
> an
> ape revolution. Click here to read that initial report.
>
> And that was the last we heard of it.
>
> Until now. It turns out that Frank has left the project and the future of
> Caesar
> remains up in the air at Fox; my guess is that the project goes back on the
> shelf for the time being. Or rather that it's been on the shelf; my sources
> indicate that Frank has been off the movie for a little while now.
>
> So what killed Caesar? Exactly what you'd expect from Fox: it was too
> expensive
> and seen as too dark. I'm not sure what other tone they were expecting from
> a
> movie about the end of humanity; maybe something with more uplift. I haven't
> read Frank's draft, but I'm guessing the film might have been too cerebral
> for
> the studio as well; Frank's a smart writer, and Fox makes movies like X-Men
> Origins: Wolverine. You can see how this wasn't always a good fit.
>
> I'm kind of bummed. Frank's take on the material sounded unique and
> different
> enough that it wouldn't have been a shameless remake of what came before.
> I'm
> always for smart, thought-provoking scifi, and that's what this was shaping
> up
> to be. Here's hoping the Planet of the Apes IP manages to stay dormant for
> the
> rest of the current regime. Maybe whoever comes next will understand that
> the
> original series was dark and daring and smart and will be interested in
> going
> that way again.
>
>
>
>
>
> </HTML>
>