Me & my son did.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Just curious, as it was the anniversary of POTA's first showing did anyone
> here actually 'celebrate' it by watching the film again?
>
> Neil T. Foster
>

I can't speak for anyone else's sales or memberships, of course, but I can say that it's been 15 months since the release of the timeline book, and we're still getting orders every day on Amazon. And many of those buying the book have written to ask when the encyclopedia is coming out. I also know that the BLAM! booth received a lot of attention, and that anticipation is high for the first novel.

I note the above, by the way, for one reason only: to point out that there ARE a good number of fans out there spending money on a POTA product if they know it exists. It's a matter of reaching them. POTA fandom seems to be a very unusual fandom. A lot of other fandoms go nuts spending money left and right, and being very vocal. But POTA fandom is different, for some reason. Fans are a lot more difficult to reach. It doesn't mean they're not out there--but they're a tough nut to crack. That said, the POTA Facebook group has a LOT of people in it, and they've been receptive to the timeline book via e-mail. You might try posting about the zine there. We saw a sales spike when I did.

(The encyclopedia will hopefully be out this summer, in case anyone is interested...plug, plug. I took a break from writing it for a few months since I was overwhelmed by POTA after editing the first draft of Conspiracy, and since I was still reeling from my dad's death, but I'm back to it now and am currently writing the second draft.)

Exposure is key when it comes to publishing. The timeline book was reviewed on the blogs of several sci-fi writers, including Robert J. Sawyer and John Kenneth Muir (the latter, incidentally, will be providing a forward for the encyclopedia), and that got people to notice it was on Amazon--and now that it is on Amazon, it shows up on people's suggestion lists, so it self-propagates, with little effort on our part at this point. It's not a bestseller by any stretch of the word--but sales are steady, and every month I get a decent check from Amazon. Our entire overhead was covered in the first month or two--after that, it's been nothing but profit, as we have zero monthly overhead. (We use a print-on-demand model, and our only recent expenses have been to pay for artwork for the second book, which we'll make back upon its release.) I'm positive a POTA magazine could do as well if marketed properly.

Having a Web presence helps. The Hasslein Books site shows up on the first page of Google results if you type "Planet of the Apes book" or "planet of the apes timeline" on the search line. (Probably because there aren't a lot of sites out there about Planet of the Apes books or timelines. Heh heh.) We've also used eBay, Craig's List, Google Ads, Facebook, MySpace and a number of other resources.

So we're lucky--it's still selling at the same steady pace now as when we first released it in late 2008. If you want to get the magazine out there where people will see it, a Yahoo group probably isn't the best place to market it, as you have a very finite audience by its nature--one that doesn't grow much with time. Go with Amazon, guys, or Lulu, or some other print-on-demand vendor that will make sure your magazine gets noticed without costing you any overhead. Recently, for instance, Amazon added a program whereby they now market the timeline to wholesalers for us. If you go P-O-D, it'll sell, and you WILL make your money back. Several-fold.

You could also try sending comp copies to big-name bloggers with large followings who are outspoken about their love of POTA, such as Sawyer or Muir, or Doctor K, and ask them to review it for you. Or try setting up a free giveaway with a sci-fi site, like Sci-Fi Universe. Reviews and contests can be good sales boosters.

In addition--and this is vital--issue a press release. When it was time to release the timeline book, we issued press releases to a few dozen PR sites, as well as several sci-fi and literature blogs/sites, and that, I think, in addition to the bloggers and reviewers who promoted it for us, made a difference. As the press releases circulated, notice of the book kept showing up on Google Alerts. Press releases are your friends, and you can find sample releases online to help you generate the proper marketing copy.

I'm willing to bet you'd see a big spike if you got the word out there. I know you're concerned with copyrights and so forth, but it's not as big a concern as you might think--even if Fox did notice, the worse that would happen would be a cease-and-desist, at which point you'd simply stop selling it on Amazon. There wouldn't be a lawsuit, as it wouldn't be worth their time or money to pursue one, given that they'd pay more for a lawyer than they could possibly collect--they'd just want you to remove the infringing materials. And by that point, you'd have made your sales, and by offering a subscription, you'd be able to retain a number of those who picked up the first issue, even without Amazon. More likely, they'd never even make a peep about it.

The important thing is not to give up due to a lackluster first attempt. Publishing is a very harsh world, and print is really suffering as a medium. If Ty is reading this, I'm sure he'd agree with me on this. Five years ago, a magazine I worked for folded, and I found myself out of work for six months before I found my current position. I know many other editors and artists who ended up facing the exact same fate, and still are. If you read foliomag.com, the primary business news site for the publishing industry, you'll see nothing but bad news, day in and day out. The landscape is bleak. But that doesn't mean you can't be successful--many are. It just means having to work harder to achieve it, that's all.

I loathe Kevin Costner as an actor, almost as much as Zira loathes bananas. However, there's a line of wisdom from Field of Dreams that comes to mind right now: If you build it, they will come. It may not be in droves, or be big enough to sell out a ball park in a cornfield, but they'll eventually show up.

Okay, I relinquish the conch now. My fingers hurt.

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Found this on an old video tape from a few years back:

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Hi, Terry,

Do you mean just the covers, or the entire books? If you need just the covers, feel free to e-mail me and I can send them to you.

Rich

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have or know of anyone who has scanned as either images, OCR or as PDF files copies of the POTA paperbook novels (either 1970s ones or the newer ones)
>
> I appreciate the info
> thanks
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It really would be nice to know the actual numbers as it could help us decide whether it really is worth carrying on doing these various Apes projects.
If you are getting plenty of orders everyday then it would certainly encourage me to carry on as the lack of interest from these groups certainly doesn't fill me with any confidence.

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> So what are the actual numbers Rich?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> rassmguy
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2010 12:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Numbers
>
>
>
>
>
> I can't speak for anyone else's sales or memberships, of course, but I can
> say that it's been 15 months since the release of the timeline book, and
> we're still getting orders every day on Amazon. And many of those buying the
> book have written to ask when the encyclopedia is coming out. I also know
> that the BLAM! booth received a lot of attention, and that anticipation is
> high for the first novel.
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

We'll be there for 3 weeks in May/early June.

Would love to say HI!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 12:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Jeff K

In the outskirts. Why do you want to look up my skirt?

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:14 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Jeff K

Hey Jeff

How far from Anaheim are you?

Michael

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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

As long as it isn't a kilt…..

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 12:45 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Jeff K

Please post photos....wouldn't mind looking up at your skirt either.

Jess.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

We'll be there for 3 weeks in May/early June.

Would love to say HI!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 12:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Jeff K

In the outskirts. Why do you want to look up my skirt?

From: Michael & Sally Whitty

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:14 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Jeff K

Hey Jeff

How far from Anaheim are you?

Michael

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*** This is supposed to be funny? It's F stupid. ***


In a message dated 2/15/2010 2:41:08 AM Central Standard Time,
hoknescards@... writes:

>
> <A HREF="http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes">
> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes</A>
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That sound just before Taylor's ship crashes is also the sound of Adam West's Batmoblie. I bet listening to just the sound effects you could identify multiple sources for each sound.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> the sound man at the theatre where I work told me that studios sell sound effects collections....some from distinctive movies like Braveheart and Amadeus......
>
> I looked up the 20th Century Fox collection and if you click on the sample sound bar...right around the middle is the unmistakable sound of the taylor's ship right before it crashes into the water.....
> it would be interesting to see if there are any other Ape noises on it.....but I ain't payin 600 bucks to find out!!!
>
> You can open a PDF file to see the track list......but it 's all generic.....but I bet at least some of them like "Frightened Crowd" or "Flame Thrower" or "soldiers crossing bridge"....were used in APES....
>
> http://www.sound-ideas.com/20th.html"
>
> Tim
>

Wow. That price is crazy. Even if I owned a "Broken Seas" type audio production company or made my own films I can't see that price being worth it. It also shows that many distinctive sounds are no longer copy righted & you might as well lift them anyways.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> the sound man at the theatre where I work told me that studios sell sound effects collections....some from distinctive movies like Braveheart and Amadeus......
>
> I looked up the 20th Century Fox collection and if you click on the sample sound bar...right around the middle is the unmistakable sound of the taylor's ship right before it crashes into the water.....
> it would be interesting to see if there are any other Ape noises on it.....but I ain't payin 600 bucks to find out!!!
>
> You can open a PDF file to see the track list......but it 's all generic.....but I bet at least some of them like "Frightened Crowd" or "Flame Thrower" or "soldiers crossing bridge"....were used in APES....
>
> http://www.sound-ideas.com/20th.html"
>
> Tim
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] POTA onscreen OUTSIDE in Phoenix, Arizona April 23

 

Well it had better be – it’s a long way for us to come!  ;)

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:10 PM
To: POTA; POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA onscreen OUTSIDE in Phoenix , Arizona April 23

 

http://phxurbaninit y.blogspot. com/2010/ 02/spring- edition-movies- in-park.html"

doesn't say if it's 68 or 2001 but looking at the other choices I bet it's the original.... !

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In a message dated 2/18/2010 1:44:43 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> Eric Greene called the "Ape" films the most perceptive movies about race
> ever, so there's all kinds of opinions.

He did say that and then some... Too bad he didn't read this quote from
McDowall before he wrote the section about the TV series (from
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Roddy_McDowall):McDowall didn't consider the TV show
to have the kind of social and political themes associated with the movies:
"The apes mistreat humans in the same way that humans mistreat each other
today. I don't think this point is directed at any particular ethnic situation.
It's just that the fabric of the show's material seems to cover all the
kinds of prejudice and injustice we are guilty of. But basically, the show is
just great entertainment. And if you try to read into it any deep, momentous
undercurrents, you risk becoming a terrible bore."

I guess even Roddy would have thought that the TV series section was too
out there... ;)

>
> <A
> HREF="http://best.complex.com/lists/The-50-Most-Racist-Movies/Planet-of-the-apes" >
> http://best.complex.com/lists/The-50-Most-Racist-Movies/Planet-of-the-apes</A>
>
>

This link didn't work, all it did was open up the page to their "Best of
the 2000s" page...

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Enjoy!

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/02/18/comic-book-legends-revealed-248/

Rich

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Wendy
 

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To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
From: pota1968@...
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:45:18 -0800
Subject: [PotaDG] Kevin Smith vs. Tim Burton

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES [A Iron-On Trip]

 

Hey speaking of eBay - has anyone seen this?

 

http://cgi.ebay. com.au/PLANET- OF-THE-APES- ORIGINAL- IRON-ON-TRANSFER _W0QQitemZ230440 135110QQcmdZView ItemQQptZAU_ Fabric_Embellish ments?hash= item35a74d69c6

 

It's different to the US transfer in som way I actually forget (something really small like the placement of the name or something) and also the obvious difference is the packaging (the logo card).

 

I'm thinking about actually ironing some of these I have on to shirts for me to wear...

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 10:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES [A Musical Trip]

 

Don't see this one come up very often:

 

http://cgi.ebay. com.au/ws/ eBayISAPI. dll?ViewItem&item=350318365129&ru=http%3A/% 2Fshop.ebay. com.au%3A80% 2F%3F_from% 3DR40%26_ trksid%3Dm38% 26_nkw%3D3503183 65129%26_ fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

 

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Neil Foster <ntfoster@... > wrote:

You're going to iron them onto shirts!?! How could you... next you'll be taking your Ape dollies out of their packages and playing with them...

Neil T. Foster

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES [A Iron-On Trip]

Hey speaking of eBay - has anyone seen this?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-ORIGINAL-IRON-ON-TRANSFER_W0QQitemZ230440135110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Fabric_Embellishments?hash=item35a74d69c6

It's different to the US transfer in som way I actually forget (something really small like the placement of the name or something) and also the obvious difference is the packaging (the logo card).

I'm thinking about actually ironing some of these I have on to shirts for me to wear...

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 10:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES [A Musical Trip]

Don't see this one come up very often:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350318365129&ru=http%3A//shop.ebay.com.au%3A80/%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D350318365129%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

Neil T. Foster

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To make sure Krueger will know who you are when you're at the LA Airport?


In a message dated 2/24/2010 2:24:53 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I'm thinking about actually ironing some of these I have on to shirts for
> me to wear...
>

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Oh that's a very reasonable price too. Did one of you buy it? I missed the deadline!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> It's getting some bids too!
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Neil Foster
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 10:28 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] PLANET OF THE APES [A Musical Trip]
>
>
>
>
>
> Don't see this one come up very often:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.
> <http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350318365129&ru=http%
> 3A//shop.ebay.com.au%3A80/%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D3503
> 18365129%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1>
> com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350318365129&ru=http%3A//shop.ebay
> .com.au%3A80/%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D350318365129%26_fvi%3
> D1&_rdc=1
>
> Neil T. Foster
>

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It's a shame every other word that came out of his mouth began with the letter "F"

 

In a message dated 2/24/2010 11:36:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Willowape@... writes:

Thanks for share this with us. I really enjoyed it.
 
Wendy
 

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To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
From: pota1968@...
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:45:18 -0800
Subject: [PotaDG] Kevin Smith vs. Tim Burton

 

Kevin Smith commenting on Tim Burton's POTA.

 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=j_UG8ub3aoY

 

Funny stuff.

 

Al

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....& he was great as the wacky Mailman on Seinfeld. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a pleasant surprise. Mark Altman is writing blu-ray columns for thedigitalbits. He's been around as a commentator on pop culture and produced the great movie "Free Enterprise", which is loosely based on his life (I believe the guy who played Will on "Will and Grace" played Altman). Those who have seen the movie know there's some loving nods to POTA (especially POTA laserdiscs) - - - damn, I've gotta watch that movie again. So it might not be a surprise that Altman has chosen the POTA blu-ray set as the # 2 best DVD collection of the past decade. This is all DVDs, not just blu-rays (it even beat the almighty "Citizen Kane", among others). This is a column I'm going to check out more often. The guy has taste.
>
> http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/altman/altman020510.html"
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