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Group: potadg Message: 57027 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57028 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57029 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57030 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57031 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57032 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57033 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57034 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57035 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57036 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57037 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57038 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57039 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57040 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57041 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57042 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57043 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57044 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57045 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57046 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57047 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57048 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57049 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57050 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57051 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57052 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57053 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57054 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57055 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57056 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57057 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57058 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57059 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57060 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57061 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57062 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57063 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 57064 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57065 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: OT: Meanwhile, elsewhere in Rebootland...
Group: potadg Message: 57066 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57067 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
Group: potadg Message: 57068 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 57069 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zine
Group: potadg Message: 57070 From: Muppet John Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Chiming in
Group: potadg Message: 57071 From: John B Kirtley Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 57072 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 57073 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 57074 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57075 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57076 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57077 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57078 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57079 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57080 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: "Rise of the Apes"
Group: potadg Message: 57081 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57082 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57083 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57084 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57085 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
Group: potadg Message: 57086 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57087 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57088 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
Group: potadg Message: 57089 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57090 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
Group: potadg Message: 57091 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
Group: potadg Message: 57092 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
Group: potadg Message: 57093 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/16/2010
Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
Group: potadg Message: 57094 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57095 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57096 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57097 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57098 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
Group: potadg Message: 57099 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Boom-a-rangutang
Group: potadg Message: 57100 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57101 From: Muppet John Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57102 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57103 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Boom-a-rangutang
Group: potadg Message: 57104 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57105 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57106 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57107 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57108 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 3/17/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57109 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57110 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57111 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57112 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57113 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 57114 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57115 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57116 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Who's going to Wondercon?
Group: potadg Message: 57117 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
Group: potadg Message: 57118 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Shopping Photos
Group: potadg Message: 57119 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
Group: potadg Message: 57120 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
Group: potadg Message: 57121 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
Group: potadg Message: 57122 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
Group: potadg Message: 57123 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
Group: potadg Message: 57124 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
Group: potadg Message: 57125 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
Group: potadg Message: 57126 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?



Group: potadg Message: 57027 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

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Group: potadg Message: 57028 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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*** I agree.. Those "nods" usually mean they have nothing worthwhile, so
they try to be clever by adding in all these stupid references to keep your
mind off the schlock they're dishing out to you... It happened with pota 2001
and it'll be happening again "if" this film even gets made... ***



In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@... writes:


> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include
> these "nods to the original movie"

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Group: potadg Message: 57029 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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I’m not so sure.

 

This film does sound like it has had a lot of thought put into it by Scott Frank who probably had NO nods to Planet, but left it with no revolution and a hint that his chimp might go on to greater things.

 

Take away the references and it’s actually very close to what I always thought a new approach needs.

 

The story actually does sound rather feasible and certainly more so than PLANET or anything else!

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

*** I agree.. Those "nods" usually mean they have nothing worthwhile, so
they try to be clever by adding in all these stupid references to keep your
mind off the schlock they're dishing out to you... It happened with pota 2001
and it'll be happening again "if" this film even gets made... ***

In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include
> these "nods to the original movie"

.

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Group: potadg Message: 57030 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Forbidden Zine
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Has anyone received their copy yet?

 

Michael

 

 

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Group: potadg Message: 57031 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.....



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57032 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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  Not me. I'm clinging to any hope I can get. At the very least it sounds like Fox "gets" that fans want a serious, sci-fi story. Whether they "bland it out" so "everyone" likes it remains to be seen.

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57033 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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Works for me so far, but there are so many aspects that really depend
how the film it that it's too early to say if it's a winner or stinker.
I'm particularly intrigued how he starts out as a regular chimp and then
because of the treatment starts to 'quickly' evolve.

Is this description straight from FOX? Because if it is, the rank Taylor
as "Colonel" and called the ship "Icarus". Does that make those two
facts 'cannon'. (Just messing with ya.)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010 1:13 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

> Hi Neil
>
>
>
> What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.
>
>
>
> What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still
> be here)
> think of this?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Neil Foster
> Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
>
>
>
>
>
> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to
> includethese "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:
>
>
>
>
>
> EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!
>
> http://chud.
> <http://chud.com/articles/articles/22943/1/EXCLUSIVE-HUGE-PLANET-OF-
> THE-APES
> -PREQUEL-STORY-DETAILS/Page1.htmlgt;
> com/articles/articles/22943/1/EXCLUSIVE-HUGE-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-
> PREQUEL-STOR
> Y-DETAILS/Page1.htmlbr> >
>
>
> We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of
> the Apes,
> for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and
> directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the
> project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project
> is alive
> and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired
> RupertWyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist
> (no relation
> to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and
> Amanda Silver.
>
>
>
> Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently
> called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods
> to the
> original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script.
> And about
> how it
>
> surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the
> originalfive Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what
> happens in this
> film.
>
>
>
> Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on
> geneticresearch. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a
> disease that
> afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign
> virus that
> can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his
> research is
> shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most
> promisingsubject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is
> incredibly intelligent
> for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve,
> looking less
> like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech.
> EventuallyCaesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising
> just as a catastrophe
> strikes mankind.
>
>
>
> Some points of interest:
>
>
>
> - Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real
> Planet of the
> Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the
> launch of a
> space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which
> eventuallydisappears while going around the dark side of Mars.
> While these aren't the
> exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had
> Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus,
> crash lands
> on Earth in the distant future.
>
>
>
> - The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The
> scene is
> structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of
> Planet of
> the Apes.
>
>
>
> - Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called
> Colonel Taylor in the original film.
>
>
>
> - As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green
> outfitsworn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> - In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes
> in an
> uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a
> bridge. The
> same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the
> bridge is the
> Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.
>
>
>
> - There are other name homages. A female scientist is named
> Stewart, which
> was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon,
> also Icarus
> crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very
> differentroles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in
> fact. There's a
> chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a
> chimpnamed Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner,
> and an orangutan
> named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.
>
>
>
> - Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the
> 'It's a
> madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> - At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a
> monkeyhouse. There we see that the original film's social
> structure, where chimps,
> orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar
> managesto unite them all, though.
>
>
>
> - By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to
> Caesar'sorigin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for
> freedom, but he's
> unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the
> other apes
>
> rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.
>
>
>
> - In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes
> the other
> apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more
> scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why
> the apes
> in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern
> chimps,orangutans or gorillas.
>
>
>
> - The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes
> way,while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.
>
>
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 57034 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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I'm a lot more positive, I think. Now that Tim Burton's attempt has come and gone, I feel confident that anyone wanting to continue exploring the Apes universe will at least consider the original movies and pay respectful attention to what was done there. I'm keen to see that there is still interest in it and I'd rather see something made rather than nothing at all.
 
If the resulting movie is another badly-realised mess, even then, I won't be too disheartened and complain about it. If I were that kind of person, I'd have been upset and angry at every Star Wars film after Return Of The Jedi, and I'd rather try and enjoy it for what it is. Hence, I don't mind The Phantom Menace, Terminator 3, and Burton's POTA.
 
In the meantime, we might just find that the Caesar film is a stroke of genius. Let's hope so!

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.....



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57035 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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Thanks for sharing Neil.

I feel like it's getting closer to what could be a great film. Like everyone else, I'm a bit suspicious of all the 'nods' being shoe-horned into an otherwise original script. I'm just waiting for a scene where the apes knock over the Statue of Liberty. Maybe Scott Frank's movie wouldn't have had all the blatent references, but it also sounded like it was just 'inspired by' POTA rather than tying-in. I much prefer the idea of a new POTA movie which doesn't 'reboot' or 'reimagine' the concept. The only other thing that bothers me is why they need to remake Conquest. It's a good movie as it is, it doesn't need remaking, and any attempt is just inviting bad comparisons. There's plenty of scope for a movie of the (original) ape revolution that can be as original as they want and still wouldn't stomp all over the existing movies. There's still hope!



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil
>
>
>
> What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.
>
>
>
> What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here)
> think of this?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 57036 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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Well it's still being talked about, which is better than not being talked about...
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

I’m not so sure.

This film does sound like it has had a lot of thought put into it by Scott Frank who probably had NO nods to Planet, but left it with no revolution and a hint that his chimp might go on to greater things.

Take away the references and it’s actually very close to what I always thought a new approach needs.

The story actually does sound rather feasible and certainly more so than PLANET or anything else!

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

*** I agree.. Those "nods" usually mean they have nothing worthwhile, so
they try to be clever by adding in all these stupid references to keep your
mind off the schlock they're dishing out to you... It happened with pota 2001
and it'll be happening again "if" this film even gets made... ***

In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include
> these "nods to the original movie"

.

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Group: potadg Message: 57037 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
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Not yet  but I have seen a copy and it looks sensational.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

 

Has anyone received their copy yet?

Michael

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Group: potadg Message: 57038 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
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Yep, sounds okay to me so far, maybe without any 'nods' though.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

I’m not so sure.

This film does sound like it has had a lot of thought put into it by Scott Frank who probably had NO nods to Planet, but left it with no revolution and a hint that his chimp might go on to greater things.

Take away the references and it’s actually very close to what I always thought a new approach needs.

The story actually does sound rather feasible and certainly more so than PLANET or anything else!

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

*** I agree.. Those "nods" usually mean they have nothing worthwhile, so
they try to be clever by adding in all these stupid references to keep your
mind off the schlock they're dishing out to you... It happened with pota 2001
and it'll be happening again "if" this film even gets made... ***

In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include
> these "nods to the original movie"

.

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Group: potadg Message: 57039 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57040 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
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As I was reading the article the name 'Icarus' did make me think similar thoughts but I didn't think anything of Taylor being a Colonel, he was wasn't he?
 
Neil T. Foster
 
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 


Works for me so far, but there are so many aspects that really depend
how the film it that it's too early to say if it's a winner or stinker.
I'm particularly intrigued how he starts out as a regular chimp and then
because of the treatment starts to 'quickly' evolve.

Is this description straight from FOX? Because if it is, the rank Taylor
as "Colonel" and called the ship "Icarus". Does that make those two
facts 'cannon'. (Just messing with ya.)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010 1:13 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

> Hi Neil
>
>
>
> What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.
>
>
>
> What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still
> be here)
> think of this?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
> Behalf Of
> Neil Foster
> Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
>
>
>
>
>
> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to
> includethese "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:
>
>
>
>
>
> EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!
>
> http://chud.
> < http://chud. com/articles/ articles/ 22943/1/EXCLUSIV E-HUGE-PLANET- OF-
> THE-APES
> -PREQUEL-STORY- DETAILS/Page1..htmlgt;
> com/articles/ articles/ 22943/1/EXCLUSIV E-HUGE-PLANET- OF-THE-APES-
> PREQUEL-STOR
> Y-DETAILS/Page1..htmlbr>>
>
>
> We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of
> the Apes,
> for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and
> directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the
> project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project
> is alive
> and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired
> RupertWyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist
> (no relation
> to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and
> Amanda Silver.
>
>
>
> Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently
> called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods
> to the
> original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script.
> And about
> how it
>
> surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the
> originalfive Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what
> happens in this
> film.
>
>
>
> Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on
> geneticresearch. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a
> disease that
> afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign
> virus that
> can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his
> research is
> shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most
> promisingsubject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is
> incredibly intelligent
> for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve,
> looking less
> like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech.
> EventuallyCaesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising
> just as a catastrophe
> strikes mankind.
>
>
>
> Some points of interest:
>
>
>
> - Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real
> Planet of the
> Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the
> launch of a
> space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which
> eventuallydisappear s while going around the dark side of Mars.
> While these aren't the
> exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had
> Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus,
> crash lands
> on Earth in the distant future.
>
>
>
> - The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The
> scene is
> structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of
> Planet of
> the Apes.
>
>
>
> - Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called
> Colonel Taylor in the original film.
>
>
>
> - As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green
> outfitsworn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> - In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes
> in an
> uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a
> bridge. The
> same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the
> bridge is the
> Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.
>
>
>
> - There are other name homages. A female scientist is named
> Stewart, which
> was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon,
> also Icarus
> crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very
> differentroles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in
> fact. There's a
> chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a
> chimpnamed Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner,
> and an orangutan
> named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.
>
>
>
> - Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the
> 'It's a
> madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.
>
>
>
> - At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a
> monkeyhouse. There we see that the original film's social
> structure, where chimps,
> orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar
> managesto unite them all, though.
>
>
>
> - By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to
> Caesar'sorigin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for
> freedom, but he's
> unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the
> other apes
>
> rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.
>
>
>
> - In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes
> the other
> apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more
> scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why
> the apes
> in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern
> chimps,orangutans or gorillas.
>
>
>
> - The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes
> way,while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.
>
>
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
>
>
>
>
>

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true....but for me...any new movie is not POTA so unless it is very similar, I'm not going to hold it in anywhere near the same esteem



From: Neil Foster <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 6:13:42 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 



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Group: potadg Message: 57042 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/13/2010
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not yet....but very much looking forward to it



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:55:14 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

 

Has anyone received their copy yet?

 

Michael

 

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57043 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
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  I think that's what they're going for, a retelling of the ape revolution using (hopefully) better science.  At it's core, "Conquest" had good performances and writing but it's details could've been improved upon. We're comparing this to "Conquest" because that's the only frame of reference we have. It doesn't sound very much like "Conquest" except for the name of the lead character (and names from POTA68).

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Thanks for sharing Neil.

I feel like it's getting closer to what could be a great film. Like everyone else, I'm a bit suspicious of all the 'nods' being shoe-horned into an otherwise original script. I'm just waiting for a scene where the apes knock over the Statue of Liberty. Maybe Scott Frank's movie wouldn't have had all the blatent references, but it also sounded like it was just 'inspired by' POTA rather than tying-in. I much prefer the idea of a new POTA movie which doesn't 'reboot' or 'reimagine' the concept. The only other thing that bothers me is why they need to remake Conquest. It's a good movie as it is, it doesn't need remaking, and any attempt is just inviting bad comparisons. There's plenty of scope for a movie of the (original) ape revolution that can be as original as they want and still wouldn't stomp all over the existing movies. There's still hope!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:

>
> Hi
Neil
>
>
>
> What I read here really does not sound
too bad to me.
>
>
>
> What does everyone (well at
least the two or so who seem to still be here)
> think of this?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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Group: potadg Message: 57044 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
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I’m with you Jeff – forget the rest and just look at the plot…..there IS a PLOT!  :-0

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 6:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

  Not me. I'm clinging to any hope I can get. At the very least it sounds like Fox "gets" that fans want a serious, sci-fi story. Whether they "bland it out" so "everyone" likes it remains to be seen.

 

From: Tim "apefan"

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .

 

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

 

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Group: potadg Message: 57045 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
Subject: Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS
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Yes – after having got it wrong, and KNOWING and ADMITTING that – it’s going to be harder to screw up this time.

 

Much like the first and second attempts at THE HULK methinks….

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Terry Cooper
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 3:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

I'm a lot more positive, I think. Now that Tim Burton's attempt has come and gone, I feel confident that anyone wanting to continue exploring the Apes universe will at least consider the original movies and pay respectful attention to what was done there. I'm keen to see that there is still interest in it and I'd rather see something made rather than nothing at all.

 

If the resulting movie is another badly-realised mess, even then, I won't be too disheartened and complain about it. If I were that kind of person, I'd have been upset and angry at every Star Wars film after Return Of The Jedi, and I'd rather try and enjoy it for what it is. Hence, I don't mind The Phantom Menace, Terminator 3, and Burton 's POTA.

 

In the meantime, we might just find that the Caesar film is a stroke of genius. Let's hope so!

 

From: Tim "apefan"

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .

 

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

 

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  I don't mind a few nods as long as it's subtle, or appropriate. Calling the ape leader Caesar sounds right to me. But it's pointless to call the villains Dodge and Landon. Having an opening where chimps are hunted that recalls "The Hunt" sounds cool.

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .



From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 


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Group: potadg Message: 57047 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
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Yes – sounded to me like it could have been TOO cerebral and possibly a bit of a snooze fest.

 

Lust like any POTA comic will be action orientated, so will any movie made by Fox!  

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Thanks for sharing Neil.

I feel like it's getting closer to what could be a great film. Like everyone else, I'm a bit suspicious of all the 'nods' being shoe-horned into an otherwise original script. I'm just waiting for a scene where the apes knock over the Statue of Liberty. Maybe Scott Frank's movie wouldn't have had all the blatent references, but it also sounded like it was just 'inspired by' POTA rather than tying-in.

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Very witty Wilde, very very witty!

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Well it's still being talked about, which is better than not being talked about...

 

Neil T. Foster

 

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Yeah me too!

 

The bloody thing is taking forever (and yes that WAS a trick question!!!).

 

Every time we are ready to print there’s another problem.

 

The latest was the 22 pages of comic – the files were too small.

 

And the pages I chose of Richard Pace’s work (first and BEST artist of the REVOLUTION comic – the version with a THADE character) were too small and you could really tell.  With this being the first full colour POTA magazine we didn’t want to compromise so we have been waiting on Richard (who has nothing left from the era) and Ty (who has been super busy) to provide bigger files.  These could not be found so we are going with two full colour pages that were not “worded”.

 

Should be printing/sending Monday!

Michael Forbidden Zine

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

 

 

not yet....but very much looking forward to it

 

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:55:14 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

 

Has anyone received their copy yet?

 

Michael

 

 

 

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They will hopefully tone them down and make them more subtle as we go….

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Yep, sounds okay to me so far, maybe without any 'nods' though.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

I’m not so sure.

This film does sound like it has had a lot of thought put into it by Scott Frank who probably had NO nods to Planet, but left it with no revolution and a hint that his chimp might go on to greater things.

Take away the references and it’s actually very close to what I always thought a new approach needs.

The story actually does sound rather feasible and certainly more so than PLANET or anything else!

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

*** I agree.. Those "nods" usually mean they have nothing worthwhile, so
they try to be clever by adding in all these stupid references to keep your
mind off the schlock they're dishing out to you... It happened with pota 2001
and it'll be happening again "if" this film even gets made... ***

In a message dated 3/12/2010 5:53:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@bigpond. com writes:

> Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include
> these "nods to the original movie"


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Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that actors?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .

 

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

 

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Agreed – it’s ironic and respectful (well at least I hope it will be!)

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Having an opening where chimps are hunted that recalls "The Hunt" sounds cool.

 

From: Neil Foster

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

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Group: potadg Message: 57053 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/13/2010
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I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new apes countdown, little lone actors. :o)
 
Al


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?

 

Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that actors?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

I'm happy for them to take a completely new direction myself. Nothing is going to recapture the feeling of the originals or bring those times back, it's a completely different world now so it really has no choice but to be different.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

As with previusly announced plans, I will wait and see....one) if it ever gets made and two) if it's any good.....
I remain in the stance of not wanting anymore Apes movies unless they can recreate , capture and successfully realize the feeling of the original.... .

 

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:13:33 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

Hi Neil

 

What I read here really does not sound too bad to me.

 

What does everyone (well at least the two or so who seem to still be here) think of this?

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS

 

 

Never seems to be a good move for me when they think they have to include these "nods to the original movie" Time will tell I suppose:

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: HUGE PLANET OF THE APES PREQUEL STORY DETAILS!

 

We've been following the story of Caesar, a prequel to Planet of the Apes, for almost two years now. We told you that Scott Frank was writing and directing the film, and then we brought you news that he was off the project. But Frank leaving Caesar didn't kill it dead - the project is alive and well, and in fact tonight Deadline reports that Fox has hired Rupert Wyatt, director of the little seen Sundance film The Escapist (no relation to Kavalier & Klay) to direct from a script by Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

Now we have some details about the story of Caesar, which is currently called Caesar: Rise of the Apes, and about the tons of little nods to the original movie that Jaffa and Silver have put into their script. And about how it

surprisingly ties directly into the original 1968 Planet of the Apes.

 

Be warned: there are spoilers that follow, although fans of the original five Apes movies will not be too surprised by much of what happens in this film.

 

Like Scott Frank's version, Caesar: Rise of the Apes is centered on genetic research. Will is a doctor trying to cure Alzheimers, a disease that afflicts his father. He's working with monkeys to create a benign virus that can get into brain tissue and restore functionality. After his research is shut down he's left with just one chimp, the child of his most promising subject, and Will raises him at home. Young Caesar is incredibly intelligent for an ape, and over time he continues to mutate and evolve, looking less like a chimp and moving on from sign language to actual speech. Eventually Caesar ends up leading an army of apes in an uprising just as a catastrophe strikes mankind.

 

Some points of interest:

 

- Caesar: Rise of the Apes is explicitly a prequel to the real Planet of the Apes. During the course of the script TV newscasts recount the launch of a space craft called the Icarus, led by a Colonel Taylor, which eventually disappears while going around the dark side of Mars. While these aren't the exact same situations from the original film, Planet of the Apes had Charlton Heston playing Colonel Taylor whose ship, the Icarus, crash lands on Earth in the distant future.

 

- The script opens with poachers capturing apes in the wild. The scene is structured to recall the apes capturing humans at the beginning of Planet of the Apes.

 

- Caesar's mother is named Bright Eyes, which is what Dr. Zira called Colonel Taylor in the original film.

 

- As Caesar changes his eyes become green; this reflects the green outfits worn by the chimps in Planet of the Apes.

 

- In Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar led primitive apes in an uprising against man, and the biggest battle took place on a bridge. The same happens in Caesar: Rise of the Apes, except this time the bridge is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco .

 

- There are other name homages. A female scientist is named Stewart, which was the name of the female Icarus crewmember. Dodge and Landon, also Icarus crewmembers in the original film, appear as names, but in very different roles than in Planet of the Apes. Dodge is a bad guy, in fact. There's a chimp named Cornelia, a play on Cornelius from the original film, a chimp named Franklin, a play on Apes director Franklin Schaffner, and an orangutan named Maurice, homaging Maurice Evans, who played Dr. Zaius.

 

- Dodge actually hoses Caesar down in a scene that recalls the 'It's a madhouse!' scene in Planet of the Apes.

 

- At one point Caesar is sent to a wild animal park and lives in a monkey house. There we see that the original film's social structure, where chimps, orangutans and gorillas have their own strata, is in place. Caesar manages to unite them all, though.

 

- By the end of the script humanity's downfall, which is tied to Caesar's origin, is in place. Caesar is presented as struggling for freedom, but he's unwilling to be violent. This makes the ending confused, as the other apes

rampage while Caesar behaves non-violently.

 

- In the original Conquest of the Planet of the Apes Caesar makes the other apes leap forward evolutionarily just by existing. Here there's a more scientific explanation. Also, Caesar's slow mutation explains why the apes in Planet of the Apes are bigger than and look nothing like modern chimps, orangutans or gorillas.

 

- The ending is suitably bleak in a traditional Planet of the Apes way, while leaving a big opening for the next chapter.

 

Neil T. Foster

 

 


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Fair enough!  J   Anyone?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?

 

 

I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new apes countdown, little lone actors. :o)

 

Al

 


From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?

 

Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that actors?

 

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Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the ape revolution. >:)


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new apes
> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>
>
>
> Al
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>
>
>
> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
> actors?
>
>
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> =57053/stime=1268526208/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5191955>
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Group: potadg Message: 57056 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
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I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

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From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
>> =57053/stime=1268526208/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5191955>
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That would almost be worth the polluting of the screen with his presence….  J

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 11:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

 

Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the ape revolution. >:)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:

>
> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: potadg Message: 57058 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
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Good call!

 

I didn’t realize he was in the Fisher King!

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Terry Cooper
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 11:05 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

 

I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

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From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com,
"Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be
that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <
href="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId">http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
>> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 57059 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 3/13/2010
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David Tennant
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> < http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
>> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
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Group: potadg Message: 57060 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/13/2010
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Ahhh…another very good call.

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Barkley
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 11:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

 

David Tennant

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Cooper

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

 

I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
>> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
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Group: potadg Message: 57061 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/13/2010
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David Morrissey.
 
Neil T. Foster
 
-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

Ahhh…another very good call.


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Barkley
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 11:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

David Tennant

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Cooper

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> < http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
>> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
>>
>
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>
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Group: potadg Message: 57062 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/13/2010
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Well, I'm a major fan of Tennant, he'd make a good ape. Caesar would suit him more as he has a certain emotional intensity. Cornelius maybe not so much. Doug Jones perhaps! 

Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

David Tennant
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
Pierce....

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

> Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
> ape revolution. >:)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
>> Alex Ruiz
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
>> apes
>> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
>> actors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> < http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
>> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
>>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 57064 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
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  I think that would go over real well if Marky Mark had a cameo. It would show a sense of humor. He probably wouldn't do it though.
 The actor most associated with the new director is Brian Cox. His first feature "The Escapist" was because Cox agreed to star, and he's also featured in his new movie "Birdsong". Cox (the evil Sgt. in "X-Men 2", the evil king in "Troy") would make a great Kolp.
 The actors will all play humans but they'll need someone to voice the ape.  Meryl Streep!
 
  Ha! I said "Cox".
 

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

 

Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the ape revolution. >:)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:

>
> Fair
enough! :-) Anyone?
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17
AM
> To:
href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name
to use for the new apes
> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
>
>
>
> Al
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@.. .>
> To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
>
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who
will act?
>
>
>
> Now we have a general idea of the
script, who do you think will be that
> actors?
>
>
>
>
> <
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Group: potadg Message: 57065 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2010
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 Has Fox turned over a new leaf with it's sci-fi movies? The big complaint is that Fox interferes with their talent and dilutes their movies instead of letting directors make the best movie they can. Well, with these new reboots they seem to be trying to give the fans what they want. We know there's been some "Caesar" developments, as well as attempts to bring Ridley Scott back to the "Alien" franchise (recently it was reported Scott wants to do it in, wait for it, 3D). Giving them the benefit of the doubt, we might even consider "Avatar" the beginning of the new era in Fox sci-fi.
 This past week, footage was unveiled for this summer's "Predators", Fox's reboot of the same without the "s". They seem to have let Robert Rodriguez go off to Austin, Texas and have his way with the franchise. Will it work? Will filmmaker-friendly franchises make good movies (and make money)? Or will Fox have to get tough with their iron fist again?
 Here's the report:
 
 
 And here's the just erected website with new footage to judge:
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 57066 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 3/14/2010
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Michael, I just sent you paypal for 2 copies from my wife's paypal at evelynstocki@...
thanks
look forward to seeing them
I know they will be great
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 57067 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/14/2010
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*** He was referred to as such in ESCAPE... ***


In a message dated 3/13/2010 5:19:46 PM Central Standard Time,
ntfoster@... writes:


>
> As I was reading the article the name 'Icarus' did make me think similar
> thoughts but I didn't think anything of Taylor being a Colonel, he was
> wasn't he?
>

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Group: potadg Message: 57068 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
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    This is nice Terry!

     

    Got anything else?

     

     


    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]
    Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 12:52 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

     

     

    Hello,

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    Group: potadg Message: 57069 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
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    You spoil your wife with two copies?  ;)

     

    Thanks Terry.

     


    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Terry Hoknes
    Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 5:53 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

     

     

    Michael, I just sent you paypal for 2 copies from my wife's paypal at evelynstocki@ hotmail.com

    thanks

    look forward to seeing them

    I know they will be great

     

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    Haven't recieved my copy of Forbidden Zine but I'm really excited to know they're on the way.

    As for the new "Apes" film. At least everything seems focused on trying to develop a real story. The last films greatest downfall was they had everything going for them visually (Tim Burton, Rick Baker...) but No real story worth telling. Maybe they've learned their lesson & they will surprise us this time.
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    Group: potadg Message: 57071 From: John B Kirtley Date: 3/14/2010
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      I absolutely love this.

      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:31 AM
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

       

      This is nice Terry!

      Got anything else?


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
      Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 12:52 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
      Subject: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

       

      Hello,

      This email message is a notification to let you know that
      a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
      group.

      File : /Ape/caesar_ col.jpg
      Uploaded by : ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>
      Description : flash sketch 2010 by Terry Cooper: http://rapstertee. deviantart. com

      You can access this file at the URL:
      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/ files/Ape/ caesar_col. jpg

      To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
      http://help. yahoo.com/ l/us/yahoo/ groups/original/ members/forms/ general.htmlile s

      Regards,

      ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>

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      Group: potadg Message: 57072 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/14/2010
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        Thanks for the kind words! I don't have any more Apes related artwork as yet, but I plan to do some more. in the meantime, I have a Facebook art portfolio (feel free to add me), a website or two and a deviantart site:
         
         
        Smile emoticon

        Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:01 PM
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

        I absolutely love this.

        Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:31 AM
        Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

         

        This is nice Terry!

        Got anything else?


        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
        Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 12:52 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
        Subject: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

         

        Hello,

        This email message is a notification to let you know that
        a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
        group.

        File : /Ape/caesar_ col.jpg
        Uploaded by : ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>
        Description : flash sketch 2010 by Terry Cooper: http://rapstertee. deviantart. com

        You can access this file at the URL:
        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/ files/Ape/ caesar_col. jpg

        To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
        http://help. yahoo.com/ l/us/yahoo/ groups/original/ members/forms/ general.htmlile s

        Regards,

        ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>

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        Group: potadg Message: 57073 From: Neil Foster Date: 3/14/2010
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          Me too, very nice.
           
          Neil T. Foster
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John B Kirtley
          Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

           

          I absolutely love this.

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:31 AM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

           

          This is nice Terry!

          Got anything else?


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ]
          Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 12:52 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

           

          Hello,

          This email message is a notification to let you know that
          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
          group.

          File : /Ape/caesar_ col.jpg
          Uploaded by : ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>
          Description : flash sketch 2010 by Terry Cooper: http://rapstertee. deviantart. com

          You can access this file at the URL:
          http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/ files/Ape/ caesar_col. jpg

          To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
          http://help. yahoo.com/ l/us/yahoo/ groups/original/ members/forms/ general.htmlile s

          Regards,

          ideedido <rapstertee@hotmail. com>

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          Group: potadg Message: 57074 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
          Subject: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApes.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes.Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           



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          Group: potadg Message: 57075 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2010
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            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

          From: Alex Ruiz
          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApe s.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfT heApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           



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          Group: potadg Message: 57076 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
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          GenesisApes is good but doesn't really have much of a catch phrase to it.
          Rise of the Planet of the Apes falls more along the lines of Beneath, Escape, Conquest and Battle (word before the tilte).
           
          And more so with Conquest. "Conquest of the...", "Rise of the..."
           
          Al


          From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:01:48 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

          From: Alex Ruiz
          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApe s.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfT heApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           




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          Group: potadg Message: 57077 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/14/2010
          Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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          Clever investigating skills Al!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

           

          From: Alex Ruiz

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM

          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApe s.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfT heApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57078 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/14/2010
          Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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          I just went back to CHUD's report to double check on the title to see if I could purchase something simular to it, and low and behold Fox purchased CaesarRiseOfTheApes.com and RiseOfTheApes.com, net and org.
           
          So the only obvious choice after that was RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.com, net and org. The movie may not be titled that in the end but if it has anything simular to "Rise Of The Apes" in it, then it won't take long for any planet of the apes fan to figure out, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes.com in search of any apes official site or related fan site. Good promo for the film.
           
          Al  


          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 9:15:42 PM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          Clever investigating skills Al!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

           

          From: Alex Ruiz

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM

          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApe s.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfT heApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           

           

           


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          Group: potadg Message: 57079 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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           "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is a better title because every POTA film title has had the full POTA in it. "Rise of the Apes" sounds like a knockoff.

          From: Alex Ruiz
          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:50 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          I just went back to CHUD's report to double check on the title to see if I could purchase something simular to it, and low and behold Fox purchased CaesarRiseOfTheApes .com and RiseOfTheApes. com, net and org.
           
          So the only obvious choice after that was RiseOfThePlanetOfTh eApes.com, net and org. The movie may not be titled that in the end but if it has anything simular to "Rise Of The Apes" in it, then it won't take long for any planet of the apes fan to figure out, Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes.com in search of any apes official site or related fan site. Good promo for the film.
           
          Al  


          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 9:15:42 PM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          Clever investigating skills Al!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

           

          From: Alex Ruiz

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM

          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApe s.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfT heApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           

           

           


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          Group: potadg Message: 57080 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: "Rise of the Apes"
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          .html

          Or porn….  J

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 8:28 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

          "Rise of the Apes" sounds like a knockoff.

          .

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          Group: potadg Message: 57081 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
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          David Hyde Pierce would be a great Roddy substitute (so would Kevin Spacey I think) but you have to wonder if Fox will want to recreate the Caesar we know and love. Aren't Fox more likely to go with someone more 'action'? Pierce doesn't spring to mind as a revolutionary leader, but for that very reason I think he'd add great depth to the character if they did choose him.

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Cooper" <rapstertee@...> wrote:
          >
          > Well, I'm a major fan of Tennant, he'd make a good ape. Caesar would suit him more as he has a certain emotional intensity. Cornelius maybe not so much. Doug Jones perhaps!
          >
          >
          > From: Jeff Barkley
          > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:40 AM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > David Tennant
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Terry Cooper
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
          > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >
          >
          >
          > I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
          > Pierce....
          >
          > --------------------------------------------------
          > From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
          > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
          > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >
          > > Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in the
          > > ape revolution. >:)
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@>
          > > wrote:
          > >>
          > >> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> _____
          > >>
          > >> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          > >> Alex Ruiz
          > >> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
          > >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the new
          > >> apes
          > >> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> Al
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> _____
          > >>
          > >> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@>
          > >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
          > >> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be that
          > >> actors?
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
          > >> =57053/stime=1268526208/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5191955>
          > >>
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57082 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
          .html
          Agreed, Neil. Sadly, knowing FOX's reputation for messing things up (notably
          with Joss Whedon's shows), they'll totally mis-case Caesar and we'll have
          Nicolas Cage or Zac Efron in the title role! *cries*
          --------------------------------------------------
          From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
          Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:34 PM
          To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

          > David Hyde Pierce would be a great Roddy substitute (so would Kevin Spacey
          > I think) but you have to wonder if Fox will want to recreate the Caesar we
          > know and love. Aren't Fox more likely to go with someone more 'action'?
          > Pierce doesn't spring to mind as a revolutionary leader, but for that very
          > reason I think he'd add great depth to the character if they did choose
          > him.
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Cooper" <rapstertee@...> wrote:
          >>
          >> Well, I'm a major fan of Tennant, he'd make a good ape. Caesar would suit
          >> him more as he has a certain emotional intensity. Cornelius maybe not so
          >> much. Doug Jones perhaps!
          >>
          >>
          >> From: Jeff Barkley
          >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:40 AM
          >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> David Tennant
          >>
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: Terry Cooper
          >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
          >> Pierce....
          >>
          >> --------------------------------------------------
          >> From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
          >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
          >> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          >> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >> > Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in
          >> the
          >> > ape revolution. >:)
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@>
          >> > wrote:
          >> >>
          >> >> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> _____
          >> >>
          >> >> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
          >> Behalf Of
          >> >> Alex Ruiz
          >> >> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
          >> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >> >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the
          >> new
          >> >> apes
          >> >> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> Al
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> _____
          >> >>
          >> >> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@>
          >> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >> >> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
          >> >> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be
          >> that
          >> >> actors?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
          >> >> =57053/stime=1268526208/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5191955>
          >> >>
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > ------------------------------------
          >> >
          >> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57083 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
          .html
          **I meant 'mis-cast', sorry!

          --------------------------------------------------
          From: "Terry Cooper" <rapstertee@...>
          Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:40 PM
          To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

          >
          > Agreed, Neil. Sadly, knowing FOX's reputation for messing things up
          > (notably
          > with Joss Whedon's shows), they'll totally mis-case Caesar and we'll have
          > Nicolas Cage or Zac Efron in the title role! *cries*
          > --------------------------------------------------
          > From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
          > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:34 PM
          > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >
          >> David Hyde Pierce would be a great Roddy substitute (so would Kevin
          >> Spacey
          >> I think) but you have to wonder if Fox will want to recreate the Caesar
          >> we
          >> know and love. Aren't Fox more likely to go with someone more 'action'?
          >> Pierce doesn't spring to mind as a revolutionary leader, but for that
          >> very
          >> reason I think he'd add great depth to the character if they did choose
          >> him.
          >>
          >> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Cooper" <rapstertee@...> wrote:
          >>>
          >>> Well, I'm a major fan of Tennant, he'd make a good ape. Caesar would
          >>> suit
          >>> him more as he has a certain emotional intensity. Cornelius maybe not so
          >>> much. Doug Jones perhaps!
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> From: Jeff Barkley
          >>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:40 AM
          >>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> David Tennant
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> ----- Original Message -----
          >>> From: Terry Cooper
          >>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
          >>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
          >>> Pierce....
          >>>
          >>> --------------------------------------------------
          >>> From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...>
          >>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
          >>> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          >>> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>>
          >>> > Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in
          >>> the
          >>> > ape revolution. >:)
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@>
          >>> > wrote:
          >>> >>
          >>> >> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >> _____
          >>> >>
          >>> >> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
          >>> Behalf Of
          >>> >> Alex Ruiz
          >>> >> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
          >>> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >>> >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the
          >>> new
          >>> >> apes
          >>> >> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >> Al
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >> _____
          >>> >>
          >>> >> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@>
          >>> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          >>> >> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
          >>> >> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be
          >>> that
          >>> >> actors?
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> >>
          >>> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
          >>> >> =57053/stime=1268526208/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848614/nc3=5191955>
          >>> >>
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> > ------------------------------------
          >>> >
          >>> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          >>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          >>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>> >
          >>>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> ------------------------------------
          >>
          >> To visit your group on the web, go to:
          >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          >> Yahoo! Groups Links
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57084 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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          Alex, you clever ape!
          I like that it has the complete "Planet of the Apes" in the title for your countdown site, because that would get more hits with the full title.
          Jess.

          On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

          Clever investigating skills Al!


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

          That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

          From: Alex Ruiz

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM

          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApes.Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes.Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

          Al


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          Group: potadg Message: 57085 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: The Countdown Begins Soon.
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          .html
          Thanks, Jess.
          It's a long domain name to type but your right. Hopefully it'll help out with search engines in the long run. 
           
          Al


          From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 3:54:47 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

          Alex, you clever ape! 
           
          I like that it has the complete "Planet of the Apes" in the title for your countdown site, because that would get more hits with the full title.
           
          Jess.

          On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@dodo. com.au> wrote:
           

          Clever investigating skills Al!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 11:02 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

            That's interesting, Alex. Thanks. Though I liked the original title "Genesis: Apes" better.

           

          From: Alex Ruiz

          Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:49 PM

          Subject: [PotaDG] The Countdown Begins Soon.

           

           

          Just did a check on domain names.

          It appears that Fox purchased, "CaesarRiseOfTheApes .Com, .Net and .Org" and "RiseOfTheApes. Com, .Net, and .Org" back in November of '09

          Only 4 months ago.

           

          So I went ahead and purchased, "RiseOfThePlanetOfTh eApes.Com, .Net and .Org" today for my Planet of the Apes Countdown Site.

           

          Let the Countdown begin. :o)

           

          Al

           

           

           

           

           

           

           



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          Group: potadg Message: 57086 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
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          David Hyde Pierce would be more suitable for Cornelius....



          From: Terry Cooper <rapstertee@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 9:40:05 AM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

           


          Agreed, Neil. Sadly, knowing FOX's reputation for messing things up (notably
          with Joss Whedon's shows), they'll totally mis-case Caesar and we'll have
          Nicolas Cage or Zac Efron in the title role! *cries*
          ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
          From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@gmail. com>
          Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:34 PM
          To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?

          > David Hyde Pierce would be a great Roddy substitute (so would Kevin Spacey
          > I think) but you have to wonder if Fox will want to recreate the Caesar we
          > know and love. Aren't Fox more likely to go with someone more 'action'?
          > Pierce doesn't spring to mind as a revolutionary leader, but for that very
          > reason I think he'd add great depth to the character if they did choose
          > him.
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Terry Cooper" <rapstertee@ ...> wrote:
          >>
          >> Well, I'm a major fan of Tennant, he'd make a good ape. Caesar would suit
          >> him more as he has a certain emotional intensity. Cornelius maybe not so
          >> much. Doug Jones perhaps!
          >>
          >>
          >> From: Jeff Barkley
          >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:40 AM
          >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> David Tennant
          >>
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: Terry Cooper
          >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          >> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 PM
          >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> I can't think of a better successor to Roddy McDowall than David Hyde
          >> Pierce....
          >>
          >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --
          >> From: "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@ ...>
          >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:03 AM
          >> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
          >> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Script given, who will act?
          >>
          >> > Marky Mark should have a cameo as the first human to get murdered in
          >> the
          >> > ape revolution. >:)
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@>
          >> > wrote:
          >> >>
          >> >> Fair enough! :-) Anyone?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> _____
          >> >>
          >> >> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On
          >> Behalf Of
          >> >> Alex Ruiz
          >> >> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:17 AM
          >> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          >> >> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> I'm still trying to figure out what new domain name to use for the
          >> new
          >> >> apes
          >> >> countdown, little lone actors. :o)
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> Al
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> _____
          >> >>
          >> >> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@>
          >> >> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          >> >> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:11:57 PM
          >> >> Subject: [PotaDG] Script given, who will act?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >> Now we have a general idea of the script, who do you think will be
          >> that
          >> >> actors?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> <http://geo.yahoo. com/serv? s=97359714/ grpId=8605785/ grpspId=17050214 37/msgId
          >> >> =57053/stime= 1268526208/ nc1=3858797/ nc2=3848614/ nc3=5191955>
          >> >>
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >> >
          >> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          >> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >


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          Group: potadg Message: 57087 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Tuscany Zaius
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          Did anyone happen to notice that a RARE 1973 Planet of Apes Dr. Zaius Tuscany Statue POTA
          sold on ebay for.....831 bucks!!

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          Group: potadg Message: 57088 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/15/2010
          Subject: Re: Script given, who will act?
          .html
          *** I get the impression that this Caesar is going to be CGI, so it doesn't
          matter who'd be voicing him... It wouldn't matter whether the actor is an
          "action" guy or not...

          Plus, Roddy pulled it off in CONQUEST: If you watch the interview with him
          on the two DVD set of BEHIND, the interviewer comments that seeing Roddy
          McDowall running thru the streets with an M-16 wasn't what you'd have
          expected... ***



          In a message dated 3/15/2010 7:37:58 AM Central Standard Time,
          neilmoxham@... writes:


          > David Hyde Pierce would be a great Roddy substitute (so would Kevin
          > Spacey I think) but you have to wonder if Fox will want to recreate the Caesar
          > we know and love. Aren't Fox more likely to go with someone more 'action'?
          > Pierce doesn't spring to mind as a revolutionary leader, but for that very
          > reason I think he'd add great depth to the character if they did choose him.
          >

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          Group: potadg Message: 57089 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/16/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          .html

          Yes.

           

          I discussed this with Mark Smolen (collector) who said the only way to check authenticity is on the BASE of the statue, which is conveniently hidden by felt!

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 1:46 PM
          To: POTA; POTA DG
          Subject: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          Did anyone happen to notice that a RARE 1973 Planet of Apes Dr. Zaius Tuscany Statue POTA
          sold on ebay for.....831 bucks!!

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57090 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2010
          Subject: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
          .html
          .html
           He played Kraik, damn it! Jackie's star is on the rise. Should he be the lead in "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" (whether human or chimp)? I didn't know he lost out on the original "Nightmare on Elm Street" to Johnny Depp and now he's the star of the new one.
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 57091 From: Terry Cooper Date: 3/16/2010
          Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
          .html
          .html
          Interesting choice! He's a small and intense actor - could work very well!
           
           
          I was thinking about actors who have a soft voice, yet intelligence and intensity to their work and I came up with another three to go into the mix:
           
          ALEXIS DENISOF (Angel, as Wesley Wyndam-Price)
          ALEXANDER SIDDIG (Deep Space Nine, as Dr. Julian Bashir)
          JAMES CALLIS (Battlestar Galactica, as Gaius Baltar)
           
          All except Alexis are British, and Alexis does a fine British accent as heard in Buffy and Angel. Might make good Caesars or supporting roles?
           
           

          From: Jeff K.
          Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:59 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           He played Kraik, damn it! Jackie's star is on the rise. Should he be the lead in "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" (whether human or chimp)? I didn't know he lost out on the original "Nightmare on Elm Street" to Johnny Depp and now he's the star of the new one.
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 57092 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2010
          Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
          .html
          .html
            I still believe they're planning CG chimps. Even if they aren't, Haley probably wants a break from makeup. But I could see him as the human lead ("Will"). I think he's a good actor and I think of him as a human in the POTA universe from his role in the TV show 35 years ago. And he's making a name for himself as a lead actor in movies.

          Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:06 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           

          Interesting choice! He's a small and intense actor - could work very well!
           
           
          I was thinking about actors who have a soft voice, yet intelligence and intensity to their work and I came up with another three to go into the mix:
           
          ALEXIS DENISOF (Angel, as Wesley Wyndam-Price)
          ALEXANDER SIDDIG (Deep Space Nine, as Dr. Julian Bashir)
          JAMES CALLIS (Battlestar Galactica, as Gaius Baltar)
           
          All except Alexis are British, and Alexis does a fine British accent as heard in Buffy and Angel. Might make good Caesars or supporting roles?
           
           

          From: Jeff K.
          Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:59 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           He played Kraik, damn it! Jackie's star is on the rise. Should he be the lead in "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" (whether human or chimp)? I didn't know he lost out on the original "Nightmare on Elm Street" to Johnny Depp and now he's the star of the new one.
           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57093 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/16/2010
          Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
          .html
          .html

          He should surely play a part!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2010 9:00 AM
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           

           

           He played Kraik, damn it! Jackie's star is on the rise. Should he be the lead in "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" (whether human or chimp)? I didn't know he lost out on the original "Nightmare on Elm Street " to Johnny Depp and now he's the star of the new one.

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57094 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          .html
          was that him that sold this one?



          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:51:34 AM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          Yes.

           

          I discussed this with Mark Smolen (collector) who said the only way to check authenticity is on the BASE of the statue, which is conveniently hidden by felt!

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 1:46 PM
          To: POTA; POTA DG
          Subject: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          Did anyone happen to notice that a RARE 1973 Planet of Apes Dr. Zaius Tuscany Statue POTA
          sold on ebay for.....831 bucks!!

           


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          Group: potadg Message: 57095 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          .html

          No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to prove authenticity = no sale!  J

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2010 11:58 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          was that him that sold this one?

           

           


          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:51:34 AM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          Yes.

           

          I discussed this with Mark Smolen (collector) who said the only way to check authenticity is on the BASE of the statue, which is conveniently hidden by felt!

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 1:46 PM
          To: POTA; POTA DG
          Subject: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          Did anyone happen to notice that a RARE 1973 Planet of Apes Dr. Zaius Tuscany Statue POTA
          sold on ebay for.....831 bucks!!

           

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57096 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          *** Might there also be small/subtle differences in the paint job that
          might indicate if it's fake or not? ***


          In a message dated 3/17/2010 8:19:31 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@... writes:


          > No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to
          > prove authenticity = no sale! J
          >

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57097 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          .html

          Sometimes these can be originals with shitty re-paint too!


          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 3:51 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          *** Might there also be small/subtle differences in the paint job that
          might indicate if it's fake or not? ***

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 8:19:31 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

          > No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to
          > prove authenticity = no sale! J
          >

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          Group: potadg Message: 57098 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?
          .html
          .html
          I remember when I was watching Battlestar that Callis would make a good chimp!



          From: Terry Cooper <rapstertee@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 7:06:41 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           

          Interesting choice! He's a small and intense actor - could work very well!
           
           
          I was thinking about actors who have a soft voice, yet intelligence and intensity to their work and I came up with another three to go into the mix:
           
          ALEXIS DENISOF (Angel, as Wesley Wyndam-Price)
          ALEXANDER SIDDIG (Deep Space Nine, as Dr. Julian Bashir)
          JAMES CALLIS (Battlestar Galactica, as Gaius Baltar)
           
          All except Alexis are British, and Alexis does a fine British accent as heard in Buffy and Angel. Might make good Caesars or supporting roles?
           
           

          From: Jeff K.
          Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:59 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" Up! Should Jackie Earle Haley star in "Caesar"?

           He played Kraik, damn it! Jackie's star is on the rise. Should he be the lead in "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" (whether human or chimp)? I didn't know he lost out on the original "Nightmare on Elm Street" to Johnny Depp and now he's the star of the new one.
           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57099 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Boom-a-rangutang
          .html
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          An original Boom-Orangutang just sold for 200 bucks....anyone here get this???

          http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330410900438&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT



          From: "mlccougar@..." <mlccougar@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 1:51:24 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          *** Might there also be small/subtle differences in the paint job that
          might indicate if it's fake or not? ***

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 8:19:31 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

          > No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to
          > prove authenticity = no sale! J
          >

          </HTML>


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          Group: potadg Message: 57100 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
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          Who's got some extra bucks???  Jess???

          Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          Plus a few other pieces....

          http://www.ha.com/common/search_items.php?txtSearch=planet+of+the+apes&ic=homepage_search&hdnSearch=true&optGlobalSearch=1

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          Group: potadg Message: 57101 From: Muppet John Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?


          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
          >
          > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          >
          > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > Plus a few other pieces....
          >
          > http://www.ha.com/common/search_items.php?txtSearch=planet+of+the+apes&ic=homepage_search&hdnSearch=true&optGlobalSearch=1
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57102 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          According to the auction details, yes! A good description of the
          mannequin is included.
          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@...>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:00 pm
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

          > I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?
          >
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          > >
          > > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > > Plus a few other pieces....
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://www.ha.com/common/search_items.php?txtSearch=planet+of+the+apes&ic=homepage_search&hdnSearch=true&optGlobalSearch=1>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57103 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Boom-a-rangutang
          .html
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          Dammit I missed this or I would have bid!

           

          They really are very scarce, unlike their Monkey Missle pals!  

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 7:42 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Boom-a-rangutang

           

           

          An original Boom-Orangutang just sold for 200 bucks....anyone here get this???

          http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem&item=330410900438&ssPageName=STRK: MEWAX:IT

           

           


          From: "mlccougar@aol. com" <mlccougar@aol. com>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 1:51:24 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          *** Might there also be small/subtle differences in the paint job that
          might indicate if it's fake or not? ***

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 8:19:31 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

          > No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to
          > prove authenticity = no sale! J
          >

          </HTML>

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57104 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
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          Wow that’s a great price!  What a shame shipping would cost so much……

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 11:15 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

           

           

          According to the auction details, yes! A good description of the
          mannequin is included.
          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:00 pm
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume

          > I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?
          >
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
          > >
          > > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          > >
          > > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > > Plus a few other pieces....
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://www.ha. com/common/ search_items. php?txtSearch= planet+of+ the+apes& ic=homepage_ search&hdnSearch =true&optGlobalS earch=1>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >

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          Group: potadg Message: 57105 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          I can't buy that! where am I going to put it! Somebody is going to get it!



          -----Original Message-----
          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 9:26 pm
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

           
          Wow that's a great price!  What a shame shipping would cost so much……
           

          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 11:15 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume
           
           
          According to the auction details, yes! A good description of the
          mannequin is included.
          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:00 pm
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume

          > I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?
          >
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
          > >
          > > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          > >
          > > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > > Plus a few other pieces....
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://www.ha. com/common/ search_items. php?txtSearch= planet+of+ the+apes& ic=homepage_ search&hdnSearch =true&optGlobalS earch=1>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57106 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
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          I would assume the heads are by Apemania but it seems they would be credited in the description.....



          From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:15:27 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

           

          According to the auction details, yes! A good description of the
          mannequin is included.
          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Muppet John <DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:00 pm
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume

          > I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?
          >
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
          > >
          > > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          > >
          > > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > > Plus a few other pieces....
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://www.ha. com/common/ search_items. php?txtSearch= planet+of+ the+apes& ic=homepage_ search&hdnSearch =true&optGlobalS earch=1>
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >


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          Group: potadg Message: 57107 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          I could make one, but then it would be creepy standing around in the house....

          On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Tim "apefan" < apefan23@...> wrote:

          I would assume the heads are by Apemania but it seems they would be credited in the description.....



          From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:15:27 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

          According to the auction details, yes! A good description of the
          mannequin is included.
          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Muppet John < DrZaiusDavis@ aol.com>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:00 pm
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume

          > I wonder if the display manniquiens are even included?
          >
          >
          > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
          > >
          > > Who's got some extra bucks??? Jess???
          > >
          > > Natalie's Lisa Battle costume and a generic male chimp for sale!!
          > > Plus a few other pieces....
          > >
          > >
          >
          http://www.ha. com/common/ search_items. php?txtSearch= planet+of+ the+apes& ic=homepage_ search&hdnSearch =true&optGlobalS earch=1>

          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > To visit your group on the web, go to:
          > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PotaDG/
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >



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          Group: potadg Message: 57108 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 3/17/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
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          What's the difference if it's authentic or not?  It's not authorized by Fox.
           
          Jeff B
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:11 AM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          No it was someone else but we were both interested, except no way to prove authenticity = no sale!  J


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2010 11:58 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          was that him that sold this one?


          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:51:34 AM
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          Yes.

          I discussed this with Mark Smolen (collector) who said the only way to check authenticity is on the BASE of the statue, which is conveniently hidden by felt!

          Michael


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2010 1:46 PM
          To: POTA; POTA DG
          Subject: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

          Did anyone happen to notice that a RARE 1973 Planet of Apes Dr. Zaius Tuscany Statue POTA
          sold on ebay for.....831 bucks!!

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          Group: potadg Message: 57109 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          *** Have someone Stateside hold it for you and bring it back as carry-on
          luggage when you go back to Australia.***


          In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@... writes:


          > Wow that's a great price! What a shame shipping would cost so much

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57110 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          *** They look like crap no matter who made them... Just about on par with
          the movie pullover masks... ***


          In a message dated 3/17/2010 8:16:15 PM Central Standard Time,
          apefan23@... writes:


          >
          > I would assume the heads are by Apemania but it seems they would be
          > credited in the description.....
          >
          >

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57111 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          **** Historical significance maybe? After all, ugly or not, these Tascanys
          were some of the first APES items out there... ***


          In a message dated 3/17/2010 10:51:37 PM Central Standard Time,
          skintricks@... writes:


          > What's the difference if it's authentic or not? It's not authorized by
          > Fox.

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57112 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          .html

          Or I guess I could have it put in the 1966 Mustang Convertible I bought….behind the steering wheel of course!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 3:18 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

           

           

          *** Have someone Stateside hold it for you and bring it back as carry-on
          luggage when you go back to Australia. ** *

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

          > Wow that’s a great price! What a shame shipping would cost so much

          </HTML>

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          Group: potadg Message: 57113 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Tuscany Zaius
          .html
          .html

          The authentic ones are rare and fetch good prices and I think they look quite good for what they are – bubbleheaded statues.

           

          The fakes are made from moulds placed on the originals and there could be thousands or more out there so they would not be worth as much.

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 3:22 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Tuscany Zaius

           

           

          **** Historical significance maybe? After all, ugly or not, these Tascanys
          were some of the first APES items out there... ***

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 10:51:37 PM Central Standard Time,
          skintricks@cox. net writes:

          > What's the difference if it's authentic or not? It's not authorized by
          > Fox.


          .

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          Group: potadg Message: 57114 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          Michael, that would make a spectacular photograph!!!


          On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

          Or I guess I could have it put in the 1966 Mustang Convertible I bought….behind the steering wheel of course!


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 3:18 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com


          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

          *** Have someone Stateside hold it for you and bring it back as carry-on

          luggage when you go back to Australia.***

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@... writes:

          > Wow that's a great price! What a shame shipping would cost so much

          </HTML>


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          Group: potadg Message: 57115 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          .html

          Or video clip….”Hey Hey We’re the Monkees…”

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 4:24 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

           

           

          Michael, that would make a spectacular photograph!! !

           



           

          On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au> wrote:

           

          Or I guess I could have it put in the 1966 Mustang Convertible I bought….behind the steering wheel of course!

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@aol. com
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 3:18 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com


          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction..... LISA costume

           

           

          *** Have someone Stateside hold it for you and bring it back as carry-on

          luggage when you go back to Australia. ** *

          In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:34:52 PM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

          > Wow that’s a great price! What a shame shipping would cost so much

          </HTML>

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57116 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Who's going to Wondercon?
          .html
          I'll be there April 4 with my two gorillas. I still have to make Dylan's costume, so I really need to light a fire and get cracking. And...after this con, I will probably not be able to wear Apemania's Zira appliance anymore. She's just about had it.
          I also still want to come up with fun photographs...Anybody have any fun ideas? I have done the shopping with fruit, gassing up...where else could I take a photo? I should have a photo of me going clothes shopping...I don't know. I'll see if I have energy to be able to move around that day outside of the convention. Probably not, if I get mobbed again.
          Jess.
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          Group: potadg Message: 57117 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
          .html
          .html

          I’m spending all my holiday savings on LA with the entire family in mid-May to early June so sadly Neil and I are going to miss this one.

           

          However, Helen is trying to meet up with me (at APEMANIA I think would be appropriate!) and I would love it to be a meeting of fans if anyone is interested?

          You would love Helen Jess.

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 4:28 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
          Subject: [PotaDG] Who's going to Wondercon?

           

           

          I'll be there April 4 with my two gorillas.  I still have to make Dylan's costume, so I really need to light a fire and get cracking.  And...after this con, I will probably not be able to wear Apemania's Zira appliance anymore.  She's just about had it. 

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57118 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Shopping Photos
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          .html

          If anyone would like to see the shopping photos and read a wonderful article by Jess on “Making a 1:1 POTA Costume”, they feature in “THE FORBIDDEN ZINE”.

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 4:28 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
          Subject: [PotaDG] Who's going to Wondercon?

           

           

          I also still want to come up with fun photographs. ..Anybody have any fun ideas?  I have done the shopping with fruit, gassing up...where else could I take a photo?  I should have a photo of me going clothes shopping...I don't know.  I'll see if I have energy to be able to move around that day outside of the convention.  Probably not, if I get mobbed again.

           

          Jess.

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          Group: potadg Message: 57119 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
          .html
          .html

          Well it’s been a while longer than we anticipated but Neil and I saw a proof today and gave the final authority and paid the $1,120 for 50 A4 sized copies.

           

          I have always wondered why the fuss about printing Fanzines.  However, seeing it today blew me away and Neil as well I think…Neil?

          I also paid to have some full colour A4 size posters made of Neil’s art that featured in REVOLUTION ON THE POTA #6.  They look glorious.

           

          Last I heard we should have the 50 issues in about 12 hours.

           

          Michael

           

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          Group: potadg Message: 57120 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
          .html
          I'm confused.

          I thought that you had already sent them out. Didn't you inquire about
          whether people had started receiving their issues already. I've been
          running like a kid to my mailbox everyday hoping to get my copy. We're
          those only advance copies (to contributors?) that you sent out.

          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
          Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:45 am
          Subject: [PotaDG] FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....

          > Well it's been a while longer than we anticipated but Neil and I
          > saw a proof
          > today and gave the final authority and paid the $1,120 for 50 A4
          sized
          > copies.
          >
          >
          >
          > I have always wondered why the fuss about printing Fanzines.
          However,
          > seeing it today blew me away and Neil as well I think.Neil?
          >
          > I also paid to have some full colour A4 size posters made of
          > Neil's art that
          > featured in REVOLUTION ON THE POTA #6. They look glorious.
          >
          >
          >
          > Last I heard we should have the 50 issues in about 12 hours.
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57121 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume
          .html
          I'm also curious as to what something like that would cost to ship.
          Not cheap, for sure.

          The Auction expects a $7.5K price. It it only begining with the lower
          $3.5K price starting bid. Given that it is from Natalie and has that
          provenance, it may go higher. I was also wondering if the head and
          body were things that Natalie herself ordered. Perhaps Jeff knows.

          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
          Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 pm
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Heritage Gallery Auction.....LISA costume

          > Wow that's a great price! What a shame shipping would cost so much..
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 57122 From: Michael & Sally Whitty Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
          .html
          .html

          Sorry Dario

           

          I did ask, then I said I’m glad nobody has received them yet because they have not yet been sent.  Sorry buddy.

           

          Give it 7 days….

           

          Michael

           


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
          Sent: Friday, 19 March 2010 12:54 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....

           

           

          I'm confused.

          I thought that you had already sent them out. Didn't you inquire about
          whether people had started receiving their issues already. I've been
          running like a kid to my mailbox everyday hoping to get my copy. We're
          those only advance copies (to contributors? ) that you sent out.

          Dario

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@dodo. com.au>
          Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:45 am
          Subject: [PotaDG] FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....

          > Well it's been a while longer than we anticipated but Neil and I
          > saw a proof
          > today and gave the final authority and paid the $1,120 for 50 A4
          sized
          > copies.
          >
          >
          >
          > I have always wondered why the fuss about printing Fanzines.
          However,
          > seeing it today blew me away and Neil as well I think.Neil?
          >
          > I also paid to have some full colour A4 size posters made of
          > Neil's art that
          > featured in REVOLUTION ON THE POTA #6. They look glorious.
          >
          >
          >
          > Last I heard we should have the 50 issues in about 12 hours.
          >
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >

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          Group: potadg Message: 57123 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
          .html
          That sounds awesome, Michael. PLease take lots of photos!! I would love to go, but I don't know if my husband would allow that sort of thing and I'd rather not make waves...he just doesn't understand this obsession of mine...
          Jess.
          If I had a choice, I would rather visit Apemania than Disneyland or any of those amusement parks. You can't beat seeing something in person.
          On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Michael & Sally Whitty < mswhitty@...> wrote:

          I'm spending all my holiday savings on LA with the entire family in mid-May to early June so sadly Neil and I are going to miss this one.

          However, Helen is trying to meet up with me (at APEMANIA I think would be appropriate!) and I would love it to be a meeting of fans if anyone is interested?

          You would love Helen Jess.

          Michael


          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
          Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 4:28 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
          Subject: [PotaDG] Who's going to Wondercon?

          I'll be there April 4 with my two gorillas. I still have to make Dylan's costume, so I really need to light a fire and get cracking. And...after this con, I will probably not be able to wear Apemania's Zira appliance anymore. She's just about had it.


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          Group: potadg Message: 57124 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
          .html
          *** You mean that "apemom" or whatever her name was? ***


          In a message dated 3/18/2010 4:34:24 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@... writes:


          > Helen is trying to meet up with me

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57125 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: FORBIDDEN ZINE Latest.....
          .html
          *** If you are just now getting them printed up, what was the point in the
          post last a few days ago where you asked if anyone received their copy yet?
          ***


          In a message dated 3/18/2010 7:09:08 AM Central Standard Time,
          mswhitty@... writes:


          > Well it's been a while longer than we anticipated but Neil and I saw a
          > proof today and gave the final authority and paid the $1,120 for 50 A4 sized
          > copies.
          >

          </HTML>
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          Group: potadg Message: 57126 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/18/2010
          Subject: Re: Who's going to Wondercon?
          .html
          It must be Helen. She's done a lot of work tracking down the baby chimp from Escape. I wonder if she's ever completed her carpet bag. That will be so fun to meet up with her, Michael.

          On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

          *** You mean that "apemom" or whatever her name was? ***

          In a message dated 3/18/2010 4:34:24 AM Central Standard Time,

          mswhitty@... writes:

          > Helen is trying to meet up with me

          </HTML>


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