Sad news. Sins of the Father was part of one of those great short lived rekindeled interest in Planet of the Apes where suddenly there's new Apes stuff.... then silence. I was really excited when it came out.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> Wow this is terrible news
> Mike was such a friendly guy
> I interviewed him 2 years ago
> and luckily we talked in depth about his interest in POTA and the creation and characters etc of Sins Of The Father
>
> The entire interview plus rare sketches and plot scripts are all found in
> Ape Chronicles 44
> info at
> http://www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com/apechronicles44.
>
> I'm so glad I was able to interview him and get the details from him
> It just shows that we never know how much life is left and you shouldn't take anything for granted
> Sins Of The Father has always been my favorite POTA comic script !
>
>
>
>
> From: rassmguy
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:36 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] R.I.P. Mike Valerio
>
>
>
> Mike Valerio, author of Malibu's one-shot, Planet of the Apes: Sins of the Father, has passed away:
>
> http://comics.gearlive.com/comix411/article/q308-r.i.p.-mike-valerio/
>
> This is a sad day for Apes fandom. Valerio was a nice guy who was very gracious in providing me materials for my books, and very pleasant to talk to. I still consider Sins of the Father one of the best POTA spinoff tales ever written, and I wish we'd been able to see more from him. R.I.P., Mike.
>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:06 AM, jessica rotich < jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Dylan's outfit is not together yet, but at least I've finished hairing up the pullover hood. Waiting for rubber mask grease to be delivered (can't find my original set, darn it!) and still have LOADS to do. *sigh* How did I ever get to this predicament...I am SOOOOOOO under the gun....

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Waiting for the clear latex to dry up around the hairline so that I can add more rubber latex and eventually smooth out the sewn portion of the hair weft. I love how the hair lays nicely around the neck. I used three packages of fake wefts of hair to fluff up the hair. Too bad my boys are not hard core ape fans...they won't let me grease up their eyes and hands...I guess more rubber mask grease for me! Oh well. I should just be glad they are willing to go to Wondercon in ape costumes. :)

Jess.

Yep, that's from the tv series, the episode "The Tyrant"

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In a message dated 3/28/2010 7:45:50 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I agree Rich it ("Sins of the Father") was one of the better Malibu
> comics.
>
>

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Just got mine about 30 mins ago having just come home from work. :)

Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> So has anyone else received their copy yet?
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2010 4:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Michael! I am about 300 posts behind cause I'm so busy....just wanted to
> let you know I got my zine the other day and it ROCKS!!!!! it takes me back
> to when the marvel mag came out! THANK YOU THANK YOU for putting this
> out.....now I can look forward to these along with Scrolls and
> Chronicles.....can't get enough!!\
> You and Neil have outdone yourselves!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty mswhitty@...
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 6:25:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
>
>
> That's incredible for two reasons:
>
>
>
> (1) they were sent same day and Moxy in Ireland (which is further!) got
> his before you;
>
> (2) they usually take at LEAST 7 days!
>
>
>
> Spare a thought for Dario - I forgot to send his after my posts went out of
> order last week and I think that's him knocking on the
> ...Guh..gah...GGGGGgag...
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Graham
> Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2010 8:20 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Neil Moxham" neilmoxham@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Superb! The quality of the printing is fantastic, much better than I
> expected. What the whole package reminds me of is not so much a fanzine as
> the Marvel magazines - plenty of comic action (only this time in glorious
> colour)
>
> Ahhh... Still waiting for mine !!!
>
> This just makes me want my copy even more :)
> <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif> .
>
> The post man got a stare on Saturday when he just handed me junk mail !!
>
> Best,Graham.
>

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Sooooo..what do you think?????? :-)
>
> Michael
>

Managed to read it today and although I haven't got time to write a long post at the moment (I'll try and find the time in the next day or so) just got to say it's FAB.

Going to have to take time to look a the Wiki site after reading Moxie's piece.

Jess's costume piece was great !!!

Great to see Richard Pace's comic pages and Gist's painting from Conspiracy was fab in full colour.

I'm going to have take time to look at his site (when I should be working !!)

...and of-course yours and Neil's comics look and read great, just like they always meant to, printed in full colour on paper... the real deal.

Best,Graham.

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*** What's his email address? ***



In a message dated 3/31/2010 7:28:18 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I hope everyone here (yes all 12 of you!) will email Drew at BLAM and
> tell him how much more likely you will be to buy the book if Neil's involved.
> It would be criminal to miss this opportunity.
>
>

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*** It's all about who you know.... If Neil had been one of the BLAM!
peoples associates, he would have been in...

It's probably the same politics that got the inferior APEMANIA photos on
the Blu-Ray releases rather than proper (AUTHENTIC) APES pictures... ***



In a message dated 3/31/2010 7:28:18 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I am a bit pissed though – Drew assured me that he already had filled his
> quota of artists for the first graphic novel when I suggested Neil to him.
>

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-----Original Message-----
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Groups planned outage: April 1, 2010

 

This not an April Fools Joke.....is it!

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, Mar 31, 2010 2:13 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Groups planned outage: April 1, 2010

 

----Original Message-----
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To: moderatorcentral@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [moderatorcentral] Groups planned outage: April 1, 2010

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine - Gist and that

 

*** What's his email address? ***

In a message dated 3/31/2010 7:28:18 PM Central Standard Time,
mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

> I hope everyone here (yes all 12 of you!) will email Drew at BLAM and
> tell him how much more likely you will be to buy the book if Neil’s involved.
> It would be criminal to miss this opportunity.
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Exclusive - Makeup Test from Genesis:Apes [1 Attachment]

 

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Michael I apologize for the earlier post, I thought that was in regards to me..so my apologies. No I didn't have a chance to get the first issue but if you could put one aside me for I'd really appreciate it. I'm about to go on vacation and when I come back I'd like to purchase it. I've heard only great things about it. Thanks so much for the compliment on my artwork, I appreciate it. Let me know what you're looking for and I'd be honored to contribute.

That's an idea. I've actually had very little contact with him but I can try to get a message to him.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well that's worked then - the article is supposed to make people get
> interested and check it out!
>
>
>
> Moxy - I think I need to send an issue to the guy who runs the site?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Graham
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 3:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
> Going to have to take time to look a the Wiki site after reading Moxie's
> piece.
>

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---

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
From: jessicarotich@...
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:41:30 -0700
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You would think with all the Apes fans on these Yahoo groups alone there would be no problem selling another 30 but then times are hard so I can understand people hanging onto their hard earned money.
At least the people here who have got copies seem to be have been positive in their remarks about it and thanks for all the nice words folks.
There was a time when there was always a lot of support for any new POTA projects but so far with this magazine there has been a complete lack of support from some. Maybe there is only room in the Apes world for the already established Fanzines and some fans don't want to try anything new and different. I thank those of you who do.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I asked myself "if Marvel cam back from the dead what might they publish
> today?".
>
>
>
> The Forbidden Zine is my answer.
>
>
>
> If we had the resources I'd be doing this monthly.
>
>
>
> Only 30 more to sell and I'll try for 6 monthly!
>
> Don't forget kiddies - when Neil is rich and famous these FZ #1 issues
> (signed and numbered) are going to be worth a mint! :-)
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Graham
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 3:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
> ...and of-course yours and Neil's comics look and read great, just like they
> always meant to, printed in full colour on paper... the real deal.
>
> Best,Graham. .
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> =57239/stime=1270057362/nc1=3848614/nc2=3858795/nc3=5522131>
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On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Tim "apefan" < apefan23@...> wrote:

Good luck Jess! I'm sure we will see pics of you guys all popping up all over!

Tim

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From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:41:30 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon

One more night until Wondercon. My gorillas are pretty ready...I only have the boot covers to sew for the older gorilla. I'm not putting that much effort into the boots, since I'm not wearing my chimp boots anyway...

I really hope I find someone else who is into costuming as much as me and who would love to just wear a costume and go out in public just because. It's really really fun...I also love the make up aspect of it, the transformation that slowly occurs.

I revamped my hairline and I have all the parts to the costumes in one handy heap. My makeup is also grouped together now. And I ordered a fresh batch of tooth black in case I did not have enough. I also remembered to buy my liquid nutrition for tomorrow, so I'm pretty set. I hope I do a good job tomorrow. I have a feeling we'll still be the only apes in town, but at least I'll be flanked by my gorillas. It will be fun, and I'm really looking forward to it. It's been six months since I last put my ape on, and to me that seems like forever.

Jess.

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You know, I used to think that you might be a little overly sensitive & sometimes flew off the handle about the others in the "Apes" world excluding you guys, but recently I've started to think you may be right. You worked so hard putting together a great full color fanzine with people known & respected in both groups & in the world of comics & nobody has a thing to say? Even if someone just chimed in that it was too exspensive or something, but everybody just seems to ignore the fact that its out there & continues with their lame observations or opinions on topics rehashed again & again. I am really surprised. I thought more people would have been excited by this project & maybe it would have brought some of you together to work in the future. I don't know what personally transpired between the lot of you but it must be a lot deeper than I thought. It's really too bad because we don't have the numbers to be split into different clusters. I may not enjoy some of the things they do in the other groups or fanzines, but I still feel a common bond with everyone who loves these movies as much as I do. Just wish we could all stand united.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of politics involved, and the reviews by those who do have a
> copy have really put some noses out of joint.
>
>
>
> Don't forget this all came from my daring to be honest about the decreasing
> value being offered by Simian Scrolls and that was essentially concluded by
> us being told we could not do better. Well, according to all feedback we
> did! I think we'd be better received had we failed!
>
>
>
> Anyway - on to the competition!
>
>
>
> Did anyone here get a BLACK AND WHITE flyer advertising the POTADG/Ape
> Chronicles?
>
>
>
> If you did, you are the proud owner of a framed pair of posters
> (autographed) for CONSPIRACY with dogtags.
>
>
>
> Speak up to claim the prize!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2010 7:00 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
>
>
>
>
> You would think with all the Apes fans on these Yahoo groups alone there
> would be no problem selling another 30 but then times are hard so I can
> understand people hanging onto their hard earned money.
> At least the people here who have got copies seem to be have been positive
> in their remarks about it and thanks for all the nice words folks.
> There was a time when there was always a lot of support for any new POTA
> projects but so far with this magazine there has been a complete lack of
> support from some. Maybe there is only room in the Apes world for the
> already established Fanzines and some fans don't want to try anything new
> and different. I thank those of you who do.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Michael &
> Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > I asked myself "if Marvel cam back from the dead what might they publish
> > today?".
> >
> >
> >
> > The Forbidden Zine is my answer.
> >
> >
> >
> > If we had the resources I'd be doing this monthly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Only 30 more to sell and I'll try for 6 monthly!
> >
> > Don't forget kiddies - when Neil is rich and famous these FZ #1 issues
> > (signed and numbered) are going to be worth a mint! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Graham
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 3:38 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
> >
> > ...and of-course yours and Neil's comics look and read great, just like
> they
> > always meant to, printed in full colour on paper... the real deal.
> >
> > Best,Graham. .
> >
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> > com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> > =57239/stime=1270057362/nc1=3848614/nc2=3858795/nc3=5522131>
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It really baffles me. The other group discusses a lot of things I don't care about but I check in & from time to time & have enjoyed the group. My personality blends better with this group & we have more in common but I'm glad to be accepted in both. I'm just really blown away that something as great as a full color fanzine with articles by "friends" like Jess & Graham would be overlooked for any reason. When I come across something worth sharing (Planet of the Apes: a musical trip) etc. I can't wait to share it with everyone who will enjoy (or is at least curious about) it, because I know there's not many of us out there or things left uncovered & I'm so glad for everything that's been shared with me. Be it created by people involved in any group.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Nah! Ask Hunter, it's just me being paranoid!
>
>
>
> Seriously though John, it's actually quite disgraceful and it's really about
> people trying to be "King of the Apes" rather than playing a role in a team.
>
>
>
> Whatever has happened (unless I raped or murdered someone!), there's nothing
> that can justify the way Neil and I are treated.
>
>
>
> The worst thing that's happened in these little bitch fights is someone
> almost got sacked and that was ME when Chris Lawless reported to my employer
> that I was posting from work. Can you imagine the pettiness of someone
> being so hateful as to do that to me, my wife, my kids and the POTA
> Community he claims to be a fan of who ultimately lost out when I stopped
> promptly responding to posts from work.
>
>
>
> And I've even forgiven Chris and actually exchange emails with him now.
>
>
>
> We bust our balls and spend all our time and money on apes and for what?
>
>
>
> Someone whom I thought was above it all is Rich Handley. Rich still
> includes a mention of the DG and Neil and myself in his "Timelines" book
> which is more than the POTA group would ever do (or Simian Scrolls for that
> matter). But recently I noticed that, even when I directly speak to Rich in
> a post, he does not respond to me. He'll respond to someone else, somewhere
> else in the post but I never get a direct response. I mentioned this to
> Neil, wondering if I am being paranoid (because I can be at times and I am
> aware of it) - and we paid closer attention and there's nothing to
> contradict this idea, and lost to support it.
>
>
>
> Recently Rich said on the group he'd but a copy of Forbidden Zine, and so I
> followed this up the other day and he gave me the lamest excuse I've ever
> heard.
>
>
>
> John, and anyone else who DID get the Forbidden Zine, can you imagine any
> serious apes fan NOT getting it? And particularly Rich who shamelessly
> plugs his book, and when Neil asks him about a very important contradiction
> he refuses to answer.
>
>
>
> As I responded to Rich, when he asked if I wanted a copy of Timelines" I
> said "two please" - so it's almost professional courtesy for him to spend
> $20 on a copy of FZ!
>
>
>
> But he won't. He is in a little clique with Dave Ballard and John Roache
> and James and they even had a little group where they discussed how to deal
> with "Whitty and Foster" and told (thankfully the wrong) people not to trust
> us! A few people in that group actually forwarded these emails to me and
> Neil and Ballard limped of like a wounded puppy!
>
>
>
> But you know what John? If it wasn't for fuckwits like Rich, James, Dave
> and John, you probably would not have ever seen the Forbidden Zine! You can
> thank these morons for inspiring me to stay around and keep apes alive.
>
>
>
> Even Jeff K seems to be snubbing me - I wanted to meet up with him when I go
> to LA and he's not responded. What the fuck?
>
>
>
> Anyway John what you really want to do is ask fuckwits like Rory and LordT
> why they behave on James' group and start flame wars on the DG. They
> recently finally admitted they hung around here to sabotage. And they did a
> fine job.
>
>
>
> Also ask them how they think Jessica feels that she has contributed a
> fantastic article and nobody will even acknowledge this.
>
>
>
> Thankfully Terry isn't getting involved in all this shit. Terry's no saint
> and I tell him straight if he pisses me of, and he hangs around and talks
> about it like an adult until we are back on track. That's how most adults
> do things.
>
>
>
> Anyway - bottom line is there's a lot of people who want to be THE authority
> on apes and Neil and I threaten them.
>
>
>
> Next book we are doing is on collectibles...if Rich can do it... ;)
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Muppet John
> Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2010 9:32 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine
>
>
>
>
>
> You know, I used to think that you might be a little overly sensitive &
> sometimes flew off the handle about the others in the "Apes" world excluding
> you guys, but recently I've started to think you may be right.
>
> .
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> =57272/stime=1270337541/nc1=3858797/nc2=3848627/nc3=5733755>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> But he won't. He is in a little clique with Dave Ballard and John Roache
> and James and they even had a little group where they discussed how to deal
> with "Whitty and Foster" and told (thankfully the wrong) people not to trust
> us! A few people in that group actually forwarded these emails to me and
> Neil and Ballard limped of like a wounded puppy!

Hi Michael, Are you referring to Simian Chat /Simian Sanctum here?

As you know I was a member there and it was never an "anti DG / Neil and Michael" group...not as long as I was a member.

At most there was about 20 members. To be trueful their wasn't a lot talked about.

The only time the DG really came up was when in an effort to build bridges Dave Ballard and a few others re-joined (after a bit of d

etente from me).

The fact that they're not members now shows how well that went.

Did some members over on Simian Chat have personnel "issues" with you... yeah I can't deny that but it very rarely got put in posts as I would have called them on it

especially if it was running down the DG (Can't say if anything was going on behind, I was well out of that loop...certainly am now... not nearly as many face book friends :) )

Just wanted to put down some balance, not stir things up.

You know my involvement with POTA fandom is going to get less it's a shame that as I've said to you personally in E-Mails something which is suppose to be fun turns out other wise, just too many conflicting egos and characters I suppose....a real shame.

The zine looks damn fine...is is costly ...probably... but at least the shipping is thrown in, worked out about £13 for me, could I justify buying it ...not really !!...but I still did and nobod

y is as skint as me at the moment.

(You know some of the back ground to my life at the minute !!)

You and Neil did good !!

I do think you should consider looking at Lulu or one of the printing web

sites.

http://www.lulu.com/

Terry's tried with Chronicles

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/planet-of-the-apes---ape-chronicles-%2345/4971249?productTrackingContext=center_search_results

and Ofcourse Rich has had success with his books on them.

As I say just putting a bit of balance Michael...

As always best wishes, Graham

**** Yeah, but look at it like this: The last post(s) that she wrote were
on the pota group so she couldn't have been mad enough to hold a grudge... If
she was she wouldn't have dumped on your group and went over there....

BTW: I'm not saying that you cannot/should not be a part of more than one
group... But, it's hypocritical to act like you're mad at the moderator or
whatever and still post on (what became their group) while the group you were
kicked out of (and supposedly co-owned) isn't "worthy" anymore.... I guess
she wasn't getting enough "oohs and ahhs" over those floats they made... ***


In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:28:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
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> The big split was when James booted Helen and I out of the POTADG because
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

**** Yeah, but look at it like this: The last post(s) that she wrote were
on the pota group so she couldn't have been mad enough to hold a grudge... If
she was she wouldn't have dumped on your group and went over there....

BTW: I'm not saying that you cannot/should not be a part of more than one
group... But, it's hypocritical to act like you're mad at the moderator or
whatever and still post on (what became their group) while the group you were
kicked out of (and supposedly co-owned) isn't "worthy" anymore.... I guess
she wasn't getting enough "oohs and ahhs" over those floats they made... ***

In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:28:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@dodo. com.au writes:

> The big split was when James booted Helen and I out of the POTADG because
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
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> But he won't. He is in a little clique with Dave Ballard and John Roache
> and James and they even had a little group where they discussed how to deal
> with "Whitty and Foster" and told (thankfully the wrong) people not to trust
> us! A few people in that group actually forwarded these emails to me and
> Neil and Ballard limped of like a wounded puppy!

Hi Michael, Are you referring to Simian Chat /Simian Sanctum here?

As you know I was a member there and it was never an "anti DG / Neil and Michael" group...not as long as I was a member.

At most there was about 20 members. To be trueful their wasn't a lot talked about.

The only time the DG really came up was when in an effort to build bridges Dave Ballard and a few others re-joined (after a bit of d

etente from me).

The fact that they're not members now shows how well that went.

Did some members over on Simian Chat have personnel "issues" with you... yeah I can't deny that but it very rarely got put in posts as I would have called them on it

especially if it was running down the DG (Can't say if anything was going on behind, I was well out of that loop...certainly am now... not nearly as many face book friends :) )

Just wanted to put down some balance, not stir things up.

You know my involvement with POTA fandom is going to get less it's a shame that as I've said to you personally in E-Mails something which is suppose to be fun turns out other wise, just too many conflicting egos and characters I suppose....a real shame.

The zine looks damn fine...is is costly ...probably. .. but at least the shipping is thrown in, worked out about £13 for me, could I justify buying it ...not really !!...but I still did and nobod

y is as skint as me at the moment.

(You know some of the back ground to my life at the minute !!)

You and Neil did good !!

I do think you should consider looking at Lulu or one of the printing web

sites.

http://www.lulu. com/

Terry's tried with Chronicles

http://www.lulu. com/product/ paperback/ planet-of- the-apes- --ape-chronicles -%2345/4971249? productTrackingC ontext=center_ search_results

and Ofcourse Rich has had success with his books on them.

As I say just putting a bit of balance Michael...

As always best wishes, Graham

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Planet of the Apes / Married With Children parody

 

Well, THIS is bizarre:

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lmErY0rDA2c

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**** I'd guess you're right about that, but there are some new people on
this group and they might not have the disc(s)... Add to that there still
might be some older members here that don't have either of them, as I remember
when they were being offered more than once there'd be posts asking how to
get them (even though it had been laid out to them a thousand times)... ***



In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:35:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> It's on the 2nd POTA Rarities disc so I'm guessing most of us have seen
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In a message dated 4/4/2010 2:57:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Helen left the DG because I wanted it to be OK to say "fuck" and
> "shit" (or even "fuck that shit!"). J
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*** Was that the reason for that "Women are in charge" week that time? That
was a laugh... NOT because a woman was moderating (I don't care who runs a
group) but because of the whole way it was handled. And if she's as
forgiving as she's being portrayed, then she should be willing to overlook the
language and move on... I think there's more to it than just your wanting to
allow swearing... ***




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No jess is not anti dg!

If anything I am pro simian

Michael sorry about not sending my last minute email to pota and not
dg. As you can well imagine I was making a mad dash for everything as
I had promised my girlfriend we would try to be there by noon. It was
a madhouse at home and I hit the reply button to my email. If the
last message had been posted from the dg then that would have been my
last email sent out.


Anyway I will update you guys soon regarding wondercon. What a happy
chimp I am...

I really wish that you could come visit me when you are in Cali but it
is just such a big state and you will be too far. Anyway if Jeff b
were closer we definitely would ape it up and go to town...

I will chatter soon enough.

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> I know for a fact that I was discussed on that group without the chance or
> courtesy of being able to reply. I applied at least 3 or 4 times to
> join that group and of course was never accepted, I wonder why that may have
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Sent:
> Monday, April 05, 2010 4:06 AM
> To:
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>> But he won't. He is in a little
> clique with Dave Ballard and John Roache
>> and James and they even had a
> little group where they discussed how to deal
>> with "Whitty and Foster"
> and told (thankfully the wrong) people not to trust
>> us! A few people
> in that group actually forwarded these emails to me and
>> Neil and
> Ballard limped of like a wounded puppy!
>
> Hi Michael, Are you
> referring to Simian Chat /Simian Sanctum here?
> As you know I was a
> member there and it was never an "anti DG / Neil and Michael" group...not as
> long as I was a member.
> At most there was about
> 20 members. To be trueful their wasn't a lot talked
> about.
> The only time the DG
> really came up was when in an effort to build bridges Dave Ballard and a few
> others re-joined (after a bit of detente from
> me).
> The fact that they're not
> members now shows how well that went.
> Did some members over on
> Simian Chat have personnel "issues" with you... yeah I can't deny that but it
> very rarely got put in posts as I would have called them on it
> especially if it was running down the DG
> (Can't say if anything was going on behind, I was well out of that
> loop...certainly am now... not nearly as many face book friends :)
> )
> Just wanted to put down
> some balance, not stir things up.
> You know my involvement
> with POTA fandom is going to get less it's a shame that as I've said to you
> personally in E-Mails something which is suppose to be fun turns out other
> wise, just too many conflicting egos and characters I suppose....a real
> shame.
> The zine looks damn
> fine...is is costly ...probably... but at least the shipping is thrown
> in, worked out about £13 for me, could I justify buying it ...not really
> !!...but I still did and nobody is as skint as me at
> the moment.
> (You know some of the
> back ground to my life at the minute !!)
> You and Neil did good
> !!
> I do think you should
> consider looking at Lulu or one of the printing web
> sites.
> http://www.lulu.com/
> Terry's tried with
> Chronicles
> http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/planet-of-the-apes---ape-chronicles-%2345/4971249?productTrackingContext=center_search_results
> and Ofcourse Rich has had
> success with his books on them.
> As I say just putting a
> bit of balance Michael...
> As always best wishes,
> Graham
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:14 PM
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Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

Next book we are doing is on collectibles…..if Rich can do it…….  ;)

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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 2:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Forbidden Zine

 

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