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*** The lack of people dressed as APES at that thing doesn't bother me...
From what I'm guessing, a lot of the things there are based on upcoming
features & products and/or new franchises and APES doesn't have any of that right
now since CONSPIRACY seems to be delayed... I actually don't mind if APES
isn't out there being lumped in with the others. An ape is going to be out of
place at a show where the majority of things are based on the new trends of
Superheros and crap like the TWILIGHT saga... It's all about what's trendy
and what people are seeing now and at best, unless there's a major
resurgence, an ape at one of those things will be seen as a "novelty" (even though
the whole thing of dressing as any franchise is one)...

And I'm sure Whitty and others will disagree with me here, but I think APES
is a lot more popular then what is led to believe... If no one was watching
them, no TV station in their right mind would show the films as often as
they are especially in the last ten years or so, there wouldn't be the (awful)
parodies and references on THE SIMPSONS, and there wouldn't be the pricey
new gorillas, etc... The APES films were one of the first major series to be
released in Blu-Ray (although with a lot of poorly lacking extras and
blashphemous use of real APES on the discs), not even STAR TREK can say that...
Plus, add to the fact that there are groups devoted to creating/dressing up in
APES wear and another based solely on customizing the SIDESHOW figures
shows the interest is there...




From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
jessica rotich

> At the end of the 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to
> acknowledge that yes, we must be a dying breed.

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:46 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** The lack of people dressed as APES at that thing doesn't bother me...
From what I'm guessing, a lot of the things there are based on upcoming
features & products and/or new franchises and APES doesn't have any of that right
now since CONSPIRACY seems to be delayed... I actually don't mind if APES
isn't out there being lumped in with the others. An ape is going to be out of
place at a show where the majority of things are based on the new trends of
Superheros and crap like the TWILIGHT saga... It's all about what's trendy
and what people are seeing now and at best, unless there's a major
resurgence, an ape at one of those things will be seen as a "novelty" (even though
the whole thing of dressing as any franchise is one)...

And I'm sure Whitty and others will disagree with me here, but I think APES
is a lot more popular then what is led to believe... If no one was watching
them, no TV station in their right mind would show the films as often as
they are especially in the last ten years or so, there wouldn't be the (awful)
parodies and references on THE SIMPSONS, and there wouldn't be the pricey
new gorillas, etc... The APES films were one of the first major series to be
released in Blu-Ray (although with a lot of poorly lacking extras and
blashphemous use of real APES on the discs), not even STAR TREK can say that...
Plus, add to the fact that there are groups devoted to creating/dressing up in
APES wear and another based solely on customizing the SIDESHOW figures
shows the interest is there...

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jessica rotich

> At the end of the 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to
> acknowledge that yes, we must be a dying breed.

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That should read "...and the blasphemous use of those unreal APES on the
discs."

(And of course the "unreal" APES are the fakes rather than authentic film
photos which you know FOX has thousands of.)

> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:46 AM, <<A HREF="mailto:mlccougar@...">
> mlccougar@...</A>> wrote:
> >> *** The APES films were one of the first major series to be released
>> in Blu-Ray (although with a lot of poorly lacking extras and blasphemous
>> use of real APES on the discs)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:01:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
jessicarotich@... writes:

> I guess I come from the mindset that I need to be able to lump myself
> with others, and having the boys with me in ape costumes make the experience
> less lonely. You already stick out like a sore thumb once you step off the
> Planet of the Apes and onto a convention floor--all eyes are upon you and
> there is no going back. It's a weird sensation but I think that's what
> costuming is about, to garner that attention.

*** If you like the attention, I can see why you'd want to dress up as Zira
and I can also see why you'd want at least one other there so you're not
quite as alone, but at one of those modern conventions, the chances of finding
Cornelius in the crowd is slim... If there were such things as classic
Sci-Fi conventions (or better yet, one focused on APES) then I'm sure you'd have
a lot of company... And since you don't like being the only ape, have you
ever thought about having "HardyGirl" from the Mego group dress up with you
(maybe in a pullover mask like your kids had)? ***

>
> It's really hard to dress up as an ape from Planet of the Apes because to
> pull off a good costume, you either have to have lots of chimpchange, or
> you have to be all of the following: makeup artist, tailor/seamstress, hair
> stylist, and sculptor.
>

*** I can believe this, not only for APES but for a lot of the other
costumes I've seen online or on TV... Those "modern" Klingons from ST must be a
b**** to create from scratch. ***



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Looks like a great time. I especially like the pic with the Bionic Woman. Thanks for sharing.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> The time had finally come again to don full ape regalia. I had waited 14
> months for this to happen again at a big splurgy event. In the meantime I
> had satisfied my cravings to go under the goo at least four times inbetween
> the long awaited convention, but all minor in comparison to the magnitude of
> the crowds at Wondercon. I nervously paced myself to start on Dylan's
> costume two weeks prior to the event. It was a hidden blessing that I was
> at this point jobless, so I could concentrate my efforts into something
> meaningful, rather than just juggling the same damned balls at the dreaded
> slavemines. Two weeks prior to debut a costume that had to be a knockout
> was riding on the edge of disaster, and this added the necessary stress to
> really light the fire and jumpstart the monstrous project that I knew was
> coming. This meant recreating a stunning pullover hood for the other
> gorilla that would flank my side, including all the accoutrements that comes
> with the standard gorilla soldier issue. This also meant recreating some of
> my baby gorilla's costume so that my gorilla soldiers should at least look
> like they were from the same army.
>
> You see, the first Wondercon I attended was the first time I had ever glued
> on the appliances. I was meant to partner with my neighbor and go ape out
> at the 2009 event but health issues had forced him out of the running.
> Although it was a wonderful experience from all the commotion I created, it
> was still a psychologically taxing experience to be the only ape in town.
> Walking aimlessly about hoping to bump into another ape at the convention
> was something I had done during the whole convention. At the end of the
> 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to acknowledge that yes, we
> must be a dying breed.
>
> It was only on Halloween that it dawned on me that I should bring my two
> boys to Wondercon in costume as gorilla soldiers, to alleviate the
> loneliness that I felt from my first Wondercon experience. The brave souls
> who have donned full ape regalia must feel this awkwardness I think when
> they find themselves in the same predicament. Brian from Apemania
> graciously offered to help me gorilla-fy my sons with child-sized gorilla
> appliances. I had been meaning to recreate the appliances myself, but the
> drudgery of work, the time sucking hobbies I dabble in and chasing other
> monkey dreams made it impossible for me to meet the deadline. Three strikes
> against me already, and I hadn't even counted the chimpchange necessary to
> fund such a fantasy.
>
> Anyway, this is becoming too much of a novel. Enough with the chit chat and
> bring on the photos!!
>
> I decided at the last minute to wear a lei since I felt that I had gone too
> dark with the makeup. At least this way I could explain that I had just
> gotten a much needed respite in Hawaii. This image was taken before we were
> registered. http://img405.imageshack.us/i/dsc03059a.jpg/
>
> I had a funny experience at the registration. The person helping me out was
> quite flustered and wanted to know how old I was. I said, uh....43? He was
> trying to give me a child's pass, for children under the age of 11, if you
> can believe that. He said my height confused him, but I said to blame it on
> the makeup.
>
> Ashton of course made the cutest of all gorillas. Marina Sirtis had to lift
> him up (all 35 pounds of him) so that we could take a photo together, since
> he is so short. A lot of people who were taking photos did not even realize
> he was part of the entourage, because he was easily lost underfoot.
> http://img100.imageshack.us/i/dsc03065.jpg/
>
> It was unbelievably crowded and many times we were unable to move since it
> was all about critical mass. It was worse than last year as far as body
> count was concerned! I had to get a breather and go up for some fresh air
> as I felt a bit claustrophobic with so many people in one giant cave. It
> was there that Ashton saw and posed with a costumed Ranger. If you could
> see it, Ashton is all smiles here as he poses with his favorite one, the Red
> Power Ranger!
> http://img704.imageshack.us/i/dsc03081zd.jpg/
>
> We chatted a bit with Don Pedro Colley, who remembered me from last year.
> He was happy to see the boys so splendid in their costumes. He made Ashton
> stand on a chair to be able to take this photo:
> http://img100.imageshack.us/i/dsc03066.jpg/
>
> I was afraid to approach Lindsay Wagner for a photograph because I did not
> want to tarnish my image of her if she was all about dollar signs. Luckily
> for us, she was a very gracious lady. I promised to e-mail her this
> photograph so that she could post it on her Facebook page.
> http://img177.imageshack.us/i/dsc03062.jpg/
>
> We said goodbye to Don before we left for the day. I got to hug the
> stuffing out of him again and it felt so good!
> http://img30.imageshack.us/i/dsc03069q.jpg/
>
> Looking back, it was quite a fun and freeing experience. I only wish now to
> be able to go to a bigger event, but who knows when that will be? Hopefully
> by then I will have become an expert at making my own foam latex
> appliances. When I first found the hidden pathway to the Ape Kingdom (thank
> God for the internet!), I only lived vicariously through the other members
> of this wonderful community of simians. Never in a million years would I
> have guessed that I would someday be chimping it out in public.
>
> My husband treated me to a power sized serving of macha green tea from Jamba
> Juice because I had been craving it all day. I offered to buy the Jamba
> Juice myself, to freak out the servers, but he told me to stay in the car.
> My tired little feet did not mind one bit. When I got home, I read the
> Monsters in Filmation magazine that my girlfriend surprised me with. I read
> the article about my most favorite of sequels while fully dressed in ape
> regalia. I read it slowly and with much pleasure, savoring every written
> morsel no matter how dated the article was. I secretly wrinkled my nose and
> chuckled to myself when I saw my hands in full makeup holding the magazine
> up. Oh, the simple joys of living life to the fullest! I had experienced
> geek nirvana and I did not want it to end.
>
> Jess.
>

Great pics and a great writeup of the con Jess!

I'm glad that you and the little tykes had fun and gave the POTA cause a
shot in the arm as well. There are so many different takes on costuming.
Some like yourself are enthralled by the whole process, while others
can't imagine themselves getting dressed up and under makeup. Then there
are those like myself who really enjoy the show and effort that
costumers go through while at the same time do not feel any inclination
to get made up themselves. I like to take pictures of all the costumes I
see when I go to cons and make the effort to get pics of the more
spectacular ones. I'm sure that there will be many con members who
scooped up pics of you guys this past weekend who will end up posting
and sharing those pics all over the internet just as they did last year.
That alone makes all your hard work and fun worth it.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 2:10 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

> The time had finally come again to don full ape regalia. I had
> waited 14
> months for this to happen again at a big splurgy event. In the
> meantime I
> had satisfied my cravings to go under the goo at least four times
> inbetweenthe long awaited convention, but all minor in comparison
> to the magnitude of
> the crowds at Wondercon. I nervously paced myself to start on Dylan's
> costume two weeks prior to the event. It was a hidden blessing
> that I was
> at this point jobless, so I could concentrate my efforts into
> somethingmeaningful, rather than just juggling the same damned
> balls at the dreaded
> slavemines. Two weeks prior to debut a costume that had to be a
> knockoutwas riding on the edge of disaster, and this added the
> necessary stress to
> really light the fire and jumpstart the monstrous project that I
> knew was
> coming. This meant recreating a stunning pullover hood for the other
> gorilla that would flank my side, including all the accoutrements
> that comes
> with the standard gorilla soldier issue. This also meant
> recreating some of
> my baby gorilla's costume so that my gorilla soldiers should at
> least look
> like they were from the same army.
>
> You see, the first Wondercon I attended was the first time I had
> ever glued
> on the appliances. I was meant to partner with my neighbor and go
> ape out
> at the 2009 event but health issues had forced him out of the running.
> Although it was a wonderful experience from all the commotion I
> created, it
> was still a psychologically taxing experience to be the only ape in
> town.Walking aimlessly about hoping to bump into another ape at the
> conventionwas something I had done during the whole convention. At
> the end of the
> 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to acknowledge that
> yes, we
> must be a dying breed.
>
> It was only on Halloween that it dawned on me that I should bring
> my two
> boys to Wondercon in costume as gorilla soldiers, to alleviate the
> loneliness that I felt from my first Wondercon experience. The
> brave souls
> who have donned full ape regalia must feel this awkwardness I think
> whenthey find themselves in the same predicament. Brian from Apemania
> graciously offered to help me gorilla-fy my sons with child-sized
> gorillaappliances. I had been meaning to recreate the appliances
> myself, but the
> drudgery of work, the time sucking hobbies I dabble in and chasing
> othermonkey dreams made it impossible for me to meet the deadline.
> Three strikes
> against me already, and I hadn't even counted the chimpchange
> necessary to
> fund such a fantasy.
>
> Anyway, this is becoming too much of a novel. Enough with the chit
> chat and
> bring on the photos!!
>
> I decided at the last minute to wear a lei since I felt that I had
> gone too
> dark with the makeup. At least this way I could explain that I had
> justgotten a much needed respite in Hawaii. This image was taken
> before we were
> registered. http://img405.imageshack.us/i/dsc03059a.jpg/
>
> I had a funny experience at the registration. The person helping
> me out was
> quite flustered and wanted to know how old I was. I said,
> uh....43? He was
> trying to give me a child's pass, for children under the age of 11,
> if you
> can believe that. He said my height confused him, but I said to
> blame it on
> the makeup.
>
> Ashton of course made the cutest of all gorillas. Marina Sirtis
> had to lift
> him up (all 35 pounds of him) so that we could take a photo
> together, since
> he is so short. A lot of people who were taking photos did not
> even realize
> he was part of the entourage, because he was easily lost underfoot.
> http://img100.imageshack.us/i/dsc03065.jpg/
>
> It was unbelievably crowded and many times we were unable to move
> since it
> was all about critical mass. It was worse than last year as far as
> bodycount was concerned! I had to get a breather and go up for
> some fresh air
> as I felt a bit claustrophobic with so many people in one giant
> cave. It
> was there that Ashton saw and posed with a costumed Ranger. If you
> couldsee it, Ashton is all smiles here as he poses with his
> favorite one, the Red
> Power Ranger!
> http://img704.imageshack.us/i/dsc03081zd.jpg/
>
> We chatted a bit with Don Pedro Colley, who remembered me from last
> year.He was happy to see the boys so splendid in their costumes.
> He made Ashton
> stand on a chair to be able to take this photo:
> http://img100.imageshack.us/i/dsc03066.jpg/
>
> I was afraid to approach Lindsay Wagner for a photograph because I
> did not
> want to tarnish my image of her if she was all about dollar signs.
> Luckilyfor us, she was a very gracious lady. I promised to e-mail
> her this
> photograph so that she could post it on her Facebook page.
> http://img177.imageshack.us/i/dsc03062.jpg/
>
> We said goodbye to Don before we left for the day. I got to hug the
> stuffing out of him again and it felt so good!
> http://img30.imageshack.us/i/dsc03069q.jpg/
>
> Looking back, it was quite a fun and freeing experience. I only
> wish now to
> be able to go to a bigger event, but who knows when that will be?
> Hopefullyby then I will have become an expert at making my own foam
> latexappliances. When I first found the hidden pathway to the Ape
> Kingdom (thank
> God for the internet!), I only lived vicariously through the other
> membersof this wonderful community of simians. Never in a million
> years would I
> have guessed that I would someday be chimping it out in public.
>
> My husband treated me to a power sized serving of macha green tea
> from Jamba
> Juice because I had been craving it all day. I offered to buy the
> JambaJuice myself, to freak out the servers, but he told me to stay
> in the car.
> My tired little feet did not mind one bit. When I got home, I read
> theMonsters in Filmation magazine that my girlfriend surprised me
> with. I read
> the article about my most favorite of sequels while fully dressed
> in ape
> regalia. I read it slowly and with much pleasure, savoring every
> writtenmorsel no matter how dated the article was. I secretly
> wrinkled my nose and
> chuckled to myself when I saw my hands in full makeup holding the
> magazineup. Oh, the simple joys of living life to the fullest! I
> had experienced
> geek nirvana and I did not want it to end.
>
> Jess.
>

Just wanted to remind everyone that there are still copies of The Forbidden Zine issue #1 left for those who haven't got theirs yet.
Ordering details on the DG!

Thanks,
Neil T. Foster

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

I do get a little dejavue though Neil – it’s like we’ve met Warner before….

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Neil Foster
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 11:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

Hi Warner, always good to have new people on the group.

Neil T. Foster

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Michael & Sally Whitty
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

G’day Warner and welcome to the group.

Everyone say “hi” to Warner!

Don’t put yourself down mate!  Ordering through eBay can be a mega-complicated business.

If you send your details I’ll mail you a complimentary.

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of warner_kern
Sent: Monday, 5 April 2010 10:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Forbidden Zine

 

I'm trying to order 4 copies on eBay but I can't work out how to do it.

I am fairly thick but if someone help me I will buy 4 please.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

 

The time had finally come again to don full ape regalia.  I had waited 14 months for this to happen again at a big splurgy event.  In the meantime I had satisfied my cravings to go under the goo at least four times inbetween the long awaited convention, but all minor in comparison to the magnitude of the crowds at Wondercon.  I nervously paced myself to start on Dylan's costume two weeks prior to the event.  It was a hidden blessing that I was at this point jobless, so I could concentrate my efforts into something meaningful, rather than just juggling the same damned balls at the dreaded slavemines.  Two weeks prior to debut a costume that had to be a knockout was riding on the edge of disaster, and this added the necessary stress to really light the fire and jumpstart the monstrous project that I knew was coming.  This meant recreating a stunning pullover hood for the other gorilla that would flank my side, including all the accoutrements that comes with the standard gorilla soldier issue.  This also meant recreating some of my baby gorilla's costume so that my gorilla soldiers should at least look like they were from the same army. 

 

You see, the first Wondercon I attended was the first time I had ever glued on the appliances.  I was meant to partner with my neighbor and go ape out at the 2009 event but health issues had forced him out of the running.  Although it was a wonderful experience from all the commotion I created, it was still a psychologically taxing experience to be the only ape in town.  Walking aimlessly about hoping to bump into another ape at the convention was something I had done during the whole convention.  At the end of the 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to acknowledge that yes, we must be a dying breed. 

 

It was only on Halloween that it dawned on me that I should bring my two boys to Wondercon in costume as gorilla soldiers, to alleviate the loneliness that I felt from my first Wondercon experience.  The brave souls who have donned full ape regalia must feel this awkwardness I think when they find themselves in the same predicament.   Brian from Apemania graciously offered to help me gorilla-fy my sons with child-sized gorilla appliances.  I had been meaning to recreate the appliances myself, but the drudgery of work, the time sucking hobbies I dabble in and chasing other monkey dreams made it impossible for me to meet the deadline.  Three strikes against me already, and I hadn't even counted the chimpchange necessary to fund such a fantasy.

 

Anyway, this is becoming too much of a novel.  Enough with the chit chat and bring on the photos!!

 

I decided at the last minute to wear a lei since I felt that I had gone too dark with the makeup.  At least this way I could explain that I had just gotten a much needed respite in Hawaii.  This image was taken before we were registered.  http://img405. imageshack. us/i/dsc03059a. jpg/

 

I had a funny experience at the registration.  The person helping me out was quite flustered and wanted to know how old I was.  I said, uh....43?  He was trying to give me a child's pass, for children under the age of 11, if you can believe that.  He said my height confused him, but I said to blame it on the makeup.

 

Ashton of course made the cutest of all gorillas.  Marina Sirtis had to lift him up (all 35 pounds of him) so that we could take a photo together, since he is so short.  A lot of people who were taking photos did not even realize he was part of the entourage, because he was easily lost underfoot.

http://img100. imageshack. us/i/dsc03065. jpg/

 

It was unbelievably crowded and many times we were unable to move since it was all about critical mass.  It was worse than last year as far as body count was concerned!  I had to get a breather and go up for some fresh air as I felt a bit claustrophobic with so many people in one giant cave.  It was there that Ashton saw and posed with a costumed Ranger.  If you could see it, Ashton is all smiles here as he poses with his favorite one, the Red Power Ranger!

http://img704. imageshack. us/i/dsc03081zd. jpg/

 

We chatted a bit with Don Pedro Colley, who remembered me from last year.  He was happy to see the boys so splendid in their costumes.  He made Ashton stand on a chair to be able to take this photo:

http://img100. imageshack. us/i/dsc03066. jpg/

 

I was afraid to approach Lindsay Wagner for a photograph because I did not want to tarnish my image of her if she was all about dollar signs.  Luckily for us, she was a very gracious lady.  I promised to e-mail her this photograph so that she could post it on her Facebook page.

http://img177. imageshack. us/i/dsc03062. jpg/

 

We said goodbye to Don before we left for the day.  I got to hug the stuffing out of him again and it felt so good!

http://img30. imageshack. us/i/dsc03069q. jpg/

 

Looking back, it was quite a fun and freeing experience.  I only wish now to be able to go to a bigger event, but who knows when that will be?  Hopefully by then I will have become an expert at making my own foam latex appliances.  When I first found the hidden pathway to the Ape Kingdom (thank God for the internet!), I only lived vicariously through the other members of this wonderful community of simians.  Never in a million years would I have guessed that I would someday be chimping it out in public.

 

My husband treated me to a power sized serving of macha green tea from Jamba Juice because I had been craving it all day.  I offered to buy the Jamba Juice myself, to freak out the servers, but he told me to stay in the car.  My tired little feet did not mind one bit.  When I got home, I read the Monsters in Filmation magazine that my girlfriend surprised me with.  I read the article about my most favorite of sequels while fully dressed in ape regalia.  I read it slowly and with much pleasure, savoring every written morsel no matter how dated the article was.  I secretly wrinkled my nose and chuckled to myself when I saw my hands in full makeup holding the magazine up.  Oh, the simple joys of living life to the fullest!  I had experienced geek nirvana and I did not want it to end.

 

Jess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:46 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

 

*** The lack of people dressed as APES at that thing doesn't bother me...
From what I'm guessing, a lot of the things there are based on upcoming
features & products and/or new franchises and APES doesn't have any of that right
now since CONSPIRACY seems to be delayed... I actually don't mind if APES
isn't out there being lumped in with the others. An ape is going to be out of
place at a show where the majority of things are based on the new trends of
Superheros and crap like the TWILIGHT saga... It's all about what's trendy
and what people are seeing now and at best, unless there's a major
resurgence, an ape at one of those things will be seen as a "novelty" (even though
the whole thing of dressing as any franchise is one)...

And I'm sure Whitty and others will disagree with me here, but I think APES
is a lot more popular then what is led to believe... If no one was watching
them, no TV station in their right mind would show the films as often as
they are especially in the last ten years or so, there wouldn't be the (awful)
parodies and references on THE SIMPSONS, and there wouldn't be the pricey
new gorillas, etc... The APES films were one of the first major series to be
released in Blu-Ray (although with a lot of poorly lacking extras and
blashphemous use of real APES on the discs), not even STAR TREK can say that...
Plus, add to the fact that there are groups devoted to creating/dressing up in
APES wear and another based solely on customizing the SIDESHOW figures
shows the interest is there...

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
jessica rotich

> At the end of the 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to
> acknowledge that yes, we must be a dying breed.

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A friend of mine who is going to Dragon-Con said that there are some apes at this convention.  I will see if this is true. I have been going to Comic-Con since
1989 and have seen very few apes at Comic-Con, but I have seen some apes.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Barkley <skintricks@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

 

For some reason, there are always a few groups of apes at Comic-Con.  I always happen to miss them, but thay always run into each other.  I started going to conventions in '76.  My first time dressing up was '08.  I have never seen large numbers of apes.  The funny thing is that apes are ALWAYS popular with people.  Like I said last year, even kids under 10 recognize Planet of the Apes characters.  I was hoping to go to WonderCon this year, but that was not to be.  Maybe someday soon Jess will get to see another ape in public.  I know that I enjoy it when people recognize my make up and yell out, "Get your stinkin' paws off me!"   But then again, I've always been known locally as "The Ape Guy"

 

Jeff B 

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@aol. com

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:46 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

 

*** The lack of people dressed as APES at that thing doesn't bother me...
From what I'm guessing, a lot of the things there are based on upcoming
features & products and/or new franchises and APES doesn't have any of that right
now since CONSPIRACY seems to be delayed... I actually don't mind if APES
isn't out there being lumped in with the others. An ape is going to be out of
place at a show where the majority of things are based on the new trends of
Superheros and crap like the TWILIGHT saga... It's all about what's trendy
and what people are seeing now and at best, unless there's a major
resurgence, an ape at one of those things will be seen as a "novelty" (even though
the whole thing of dressing as any franchise is one)...

And I'm sure Whitty and others will disagree with me here, but I think APES
is a lot more popular then what is led to believe... If no one was watching
them, no TV station in their right mind would show the films as often as
they are especially in the last ten years or so, there wouldn't be the (awful)
parodies and references on THE SIMPSONS, and there wouldn't be the pricey
new gorillas, etc... The APES films were one of the first major series to be
released in Blu-Ray (although with a lot of poorly lacking extras and
blashphemous use of real APES on the discs), not even STAR TREK can say that...
Plus, add to the fact that there are groups devoted to creating/dressing up in
APES wear and another based solely on customizing the SIDESHOW figures
shows the interest is there...

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
jessica rotich

> At the end of the 2009 convention, it was really heartbreaking to
> acknowledge that yes, we must be a dying breed.

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*** And when they yell it, do you correct them and say "It's 'Take your
stinking paws off me'..." ***


In a message dated 4/6/2010 9:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
skintricks@... writes:

> I know that I enjoy it when people recognize my make up and yell out,
> "Get your stinkin' paws off me!"

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<A HREF=" http://megomuseum.com/community/showthread.php?t=39832">Click
here: Apeonaut Cornelius - Mego Talk</A> </HTML>

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** And when they yell it, do you correct them and say "It's 'Take your
stinking paws off me'..." ***

In a message dated 4/6/2010 9:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

skintricks@... writes:

> I know that I enjoy it when people recognize my make up and yell out,
> "Get your stinkin' paws off me!"

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What is the publication with Cornelius on the cover (where he has the map in back of him)? The gorilla above and to the left of the one holding the "Lexicon" bookis the one I'm talking about...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> A celebration of all things POTA!
>

*** I'll ask him when I hear back from him... Maybe he'll do Armando since
EMCE Toys did a ST "Khan" figure... This guy does castings so if he has Khan
(Ricardo Montalban) he could make a resin cast and rework it into
Armando... ***




In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:57:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Nice – it would be good to see the art completes with the 5 circles
> filled by heads. Who else would be in the series? No need for Milo as he would
> be generic so I reckon Zira, Stevie, Lewis and Armando…
>
>

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What is the publication with Cornelius on the cover (where he has the map in back of him)? The gorilla above and to the left of the one holding the "Lexicon" bookis the one I'm talking about...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> A celebration of all things POTA!
>

.html

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How it should be!

 

What is the publication with Cornelius on the cover (where he has the map in back of him)? The gorilla above and to the left of the one holding the "Lexicon" bookis the one I'm talking about...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
>
> A celebration of all things POTA!
>

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Attachments :

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How it should be!

 

What is the publication with Cornelius on the cover (where he has the map in back of him)? The gorilla above and to the left of the one holding the "Lexicon" bookis the one I'm talking about...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@.. .> wrote:
>
> A celebration of all things POTA!
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:44 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010

 

*** And when they yell it, do you correct them and say "It's 'Take your
stinking paws off me'..." ***

In a message dated 4/6/2010 9:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
skintricks@cox. net writes:

> I know that I enjoy it when people recognize my make up and yell out,
> "Get your stinkin' paws off me!"

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Neil,

Your "Secret Scrolls" cover is cool... It's too bad that the story you and
Whitty wrote wasn't available in "The Forbidden Zine," but I know you did it
for "AC"... (I know I could buy the issue featuring it, but I still have
reservations about that publication...)</HTML>

*** In that case, you should throw a net over them... ;) ***


In a message dated 4/7/2010 1:13:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
skintricks@... writes:

> I don't correct them 'cuz I'm in character.
>

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Very cool. Custom, but still looks & feels like an old Mego. Great job on this one.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> <A HREF="http://megomuseum.com/community/showthread.php?t=39832">Click
> here: Apeonaut Cornelius - Mego Talk</A> </HTML>
>

*** I can't recall the issue number, but it was one of the "old" style
issues... From looking at your website, it looks like the content has improved,
and the overall appearance definitely has... ***



In a message dated 4/7/2010 4:42:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
hoknescards@... writes:

> what was the last issue of Ape Chronicles you picked up?

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I'd love to see an Armando Mego! (Try & say that 3 times fast)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I'll ask him when I hear back from him... Maybe he'll do Armando since
> EMCE Toys did a ST "Khan" figure... This guy does castings so if he has Khan
> (Ricardo Montalban) he could make a resin cast and rework it into
> Armando... ***
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:57:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Nice â€" it would be good to see the art completes with the 5 circles
> > filled by heads. Who else would be in the series? No need for Milo as he would
> > be generic so I reckon Zira, Stevie, Lewis and Armando…
> >
> >
>
> </HTML>
>

I found out what who he's intending to make: Ape-O-Nauts of Cornelius,
Zira, and Milo; Cornelius in the business suit; and Armando.

> In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:57:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
>
>
> Nice, it would be good to see the art completes with the 5 circles filled
> by heads. Who else would be in the series? No need for Milo as he would
> be generic so I reckon Zira, Stevie, Lewis and Armando?

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:30 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** I can't recall the issue number, but it was one of the "old" style
issues... From looking at your website, it looks like the content has improved,
and the overall appearance definitely has... ***

In a message dated 4/7/2010 4:42:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

hoknescards@... writes:

> what was the last issue of Ape Chronicles you picked up?

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Neil I'd like to buy one. How do I go about purchasing a copy?

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"..some deep voiced humans.."

- You're even thinking like an ape now Jess! How did your kids stand up to the heat & attention, and will they accompany you again?

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While re-reading the Malibu Comics line, Terry, I came across a letter from you, back in 1990 or 1991, announcing the magazine's launching. Congratulations on two decades' worth of issues!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
> thanks Jess, once upon a time long ago before the internet existed Ape Chronicles was all there was out there for apes fans.
> We published 36 fanzines from 1991-1998
> and then published #37-39 in 2004
> and now we are back to more regular printing - but the best news is our latest issues blow away the old ones
> #49 is now done in book format and we do publish the thickest/most pages fanzine out there
> Simian Scrolls and Forbidden Zine have such a great professional look to them that I had to step up the quality of the production
> so now we have 3 amazing POTA magazine/fanzines out there!!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jessica rotich
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: How it should be!
>
>
>
>
> Wow Terry, I never realized that the AC was that big of a publication. I have never seen one in person. The only fanzine I have purchased is the Simian Scrolls, the one where Tom created the cover with Taylor on the beach, because I knew him. And now I have the FZ, my second fanzine, but I have not had a chance to give it the attention it deserves.
>
> Jess.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:30 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:
>
>
> *** I can't recall the issue number, but it was one of the "old" style
> issues... From looking at your website, it looks like the content has improved,
> and the overall appearance definitely has... ***
>
> In a message dated 4/7/2010 4:42:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
>
>
> hoknescards@... writes:
>
> > what was the last issue of Ape Chronicles you picked up?
>
>
> </HTML>
>

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@... > wrote:

"..some deep voiced humans.."

- You're even thinking like an ape now Jess! How did your kids stand up to the heat & attention, and will they accompany you again?

*** Just think, Roddy had to put up with a cold while they were filming...
***




In a message dated 4/7/2010 6:22:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Whoa! You know I never actually thought of that!
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> jessica rotich
> Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2010 5:46 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
> Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010--additional thoughts
>
>
>
> Forgot to say that there were times when my allergies were acting up, and
> I would have killed to be able to blow my nose after the makeup had been
> fully applied.
>
>
>
>
>

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Poor Roddy. He's my hero!

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:17 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** Just think, Roddy had to put up with a cold while they were filming...
***

In a message dated 4/7/2010 6:22:29 PM Central Daylight Time,

mswhitty@... writes:

> Whoa! You know I never actually thought of that!
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> jessica rotich
> Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2010 5:46 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA
> Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2010--additional thoughts
>
>
>
> Forgot to say that there were times when my allergies were acting up, and
> I would have killed to be able to blow my nose after the makeup had been
> fully applied.
>
>
>
>
>

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That's fast! It really seems to be happening though.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Filming on Caesar begins in July.
> http://www.ugo.com/movies/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-ready-to-go
>
> Most excellent.
> As soon as I hear the word, "Action!" www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com will debut.
>
> Al
>

*** If it's true that is fast, probably too fast which could possibly lead
to a sloppy (if not outright terrible) film... I have some doubt about
anything posted on a Twitter page (because Twitter and Facebook seem like rumor
mills)... Until there's official word from FOX, I wouldn't take anything as
100% accurate... ***



--- In a message dated 4/8/2010 2:42:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
neilmoxham@... writes:

That's fast! It really seems to be happening though.

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Filming on Caesar begins in July.
> http://www.ugo.com/movies/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-ready-to-go
>
>

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This guy must be seeing things that aren't there when he states:

"the bonus twist for the true fan would be that the whole thing is really a
prequel; Mark Wahlberg was really an astronaut that landed before <A
HREF="http://www.ugo.com/movies/charleton-heston-remembered">Charlton Heston</A>.
There's even hints in the '68 original that would have made that ending
super-plausible."

I know he said that the thing about it being a prequel was just his theory
of what Burton's film might have been, but what is he talking about when he
says there's hints in PLANET that would have made this plausible/possible?
Nowhere in PLANET does it indicate that there might have been an astronaut
landing before Taylor... Does anyone have any idea of what this writer might
be talking about?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In a message dated 4/7/2010 6:02:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
pota1968@... writes:

> <A
> HREF="http://www.ugo.com/movies/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-ready-to-go"> http://www.ugo.com/movies/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-ready-to-go</A>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Caesar Begins

 

*** If it's true that is fast, probably too fast which could possibly lead
to a sloppy (if not outright terrible) film... I have some doubt about
anything posted on a Twitter page (because Twitter and Facebook seem like rumor
mills)... Until there's official word from FOX, I wouldn't take anything as
100% accurate... ***

--- In a message dated 4/8/2010 2:42:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
neilmoxham@gmail. com writes:

That's fast! It really seems to be happening though.

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@.. .> wrote:
>
> Filming on Caesar begins in July.
> http://www.ugo. com/movies/ planet-of- the-apes- prequel-ready- to-go
>
>

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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Barkley <skintricks@... > wrote:

Why have I NEVER heard of this? Their guest line up is 100% better than San Diego Comic Con (but still no APES guests)

http://www.wizardworld.com/home-anaheim.html"

Jeff B

*** That's a good idea... Better not to put the cart before the horse... ***


In a message dated 4/8/2010 7:15:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
pota1968@... writes:

> Which is why I won't activate any countdown site until I hear the word,
> "Action!"

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*** I don't think they do... As far as I knew they were still trying to get
that together, as well as trying to get everything else assembled
(director, crew, etc.) and now there's rumors that it'll be starting production in
July?!?

I don't buy it, but they have been known to work fast and look at the gem
that came out of that... ***



In a message dated 4/8/2010 5:54:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> Have they even got a script written yet?

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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:18 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

*** I don't think they do... As far as I knew they were still trying to get
that together, as well as trying to get everything else assembled
(director, crew, etc.) and now there's rumors that it'll be starting production in
July?!?

I don't buy it, but they have been known to work fast and look at the gem
that came out of that... ***

In a message dated 4/8/2010 5:54:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

ntfoster@... writes:

> Have they even got a script written yet?

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What you said about CONQUEST is true, it's not the most complex story out
there... And with only a year between sequels, (scripting and shooting), none
of Dehn's scripts were exactly time-consuming, but then again at the time
FOX was making them basically as "B" films so they wouldn't have to have the
standards of a high end production... Just looking at the differences
between PLANET and BATTLE says it all...

That said, this CAESAR film is supposed to be more of a
"summer-blockbuster" type film isn't it? If it is, you'd think they'd put more time into it, if
in fact it actually is ready to start... Plus, they have some explaining to
do if the supposed morphing of Caesar from an average chimp to an evolved
one takes place in the course of a 90 minute film... Personally I don't like
that aspect of the story already, as it really makes no sense to have one
figure change that quickly when evolution should take place over many
generations, not over the span of one character's lifetime...




In a message dated 4/9/2010 5:42:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
pota1968@... writes:

>
> Well, truth be told, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes isn't exactly a
> very complex story to begin with so it really shouldn't be that hard to come
> up with a script.
>
> I believe they are ready to film in July.
>
>

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In a message dated 4/9/2010 4:40:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Did you like the way BEGINS draws on the "True Story" of Stalin's Ape
> Army and the back story goes way back to that?
>
> **** It works as far as having one back story reason as to why Man might
> have first tried something with Apes (other than having them as zoo exhibits
> or basic lab animals)... But as far as it being "the" start of the genetic
> engineering that led to the strain of Apes that become the future rulers
> of Earth, I'm not sure... ***
>
> I mean they have already said in an interview somewhere that the
> "Chambers" appearance of the apes is being used, and explained by genetic
> engineering.
>
> *** Do you have a link to that one? I know in the one from the CHUD site,
> it mentions how the chimp will morph from a present day chimp to a more
> "evolved" look over the course of the film, with the eyes even changing to
> green...
>
> But is the info you're referring to from that article, or do you have a
> different source? ***
>
> So hopefully if they get a copy of the Forbidden Zine they'll be fine! J
> PS have you read it and what do you think?
>
> *** Yes, I have read "The Forbidden Zine"... The layout is nice and the
> contents are good, especially for a start-up magazine... I'd give it an "A"
> for appearance/layout and a "B/C" for contents (because some of the things
> weren't as interesting to me but they would serve a purpose to the people
> into the creative side)... I hope you're able to do more issues... ***
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





>
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In a message dated 4/9/2010 4:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> My scenario makes more sense because in my story it's a (typical Stephen
> King – The Mist/The Stand) military operation gone amiss. To make an ape
> army you would be genetically altering a LOT of apes (and in my story humans
> too – why not? We're all close under the skin!).
>
> *** It makes sense if you're creating a new scenario as to how things came
> about, but not if it'd be tied into "canon"... ESCAPE points out that
> things came about because of the plague and the use of apes as slaves, there's
> nothing that says there were plans to use them as a fighting force too. ***
>
> I'm also considering with BEGINS that the "takeover" was peaceful and
> that the humans just "Amused themselves to Death" as the Boulle scenario
> suggests…no war just no resistance.
>
> *** Having it be ambiguous (as it was in PLANET) might be the best
> approach... ***



> There's trouble brewing in BEGINS in the later century's story and that
> will probably demonstrate where apes and humans split (well, in Australia
> anyway!) but until this point apes had been living with humans and sharing
> what was left of a post holocaust world.
>
> *** I like parts of the way you're handling that in your comic... ***
>
>
>

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In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:20:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

>
> That's why I think the apes will be CG. They have to look like real apes.
> Caesar going from a real ape to someone in makeup wouldn't work.

*** True. ***

> But then, how do the apes he leads get brain power? It's the same
> problems "Conquest" had to deal with. Maybe the ape revolution is better not
> seen, but imagined by the audience, as they did with "Escape".

*** CONQUEST failed on this because it was too soon... They rushed the
story along so they could use characters from the previous film rather than
doing it as a true "prequel" or showing that it was the later descendants of
Milo/Caesar that got things rolling... Nine years of servitude is a far cry
from the five hundred years mentioned in ESCAPE... The whole take over is best
unseen... ***



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*** It's a comic written by Michael Whitty and illustrated by Neil Foster
that tells a story of how the Earth, apes, and humans seen in the original
PLANET OF THE APES comes to be... It's in the new fanzine "The Forbidden
Zine", available by contacting Whitty at: mswhitty@...




In a message dated 4/10/2010 11:47:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
chimel23@... writes:

>
> What exactly is "BEGINS" anyway? I'm not totally following for some reason.
>

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*** Yeah, I was sure I didn't see anything in there that mentioned the John
Chambers look being used, cool that you linked it here...

BTW: I don't mind a few references, but a lot of what they're saying is
really just unnecessary in this story... Other than to just throw a few names
out there as a cheap attempt to look like they're "paying homage", why even
mention a Taylor mission ? And they can drop all the other things like use of
the names Landon, Dodge, etc... It'd be better if they would just slip in a
line that could say something like "You know, other than finding a cure,
what we're doing here in the lab might be useful to make apes more
domesticated..." Something that is a reference that would make sense if they're trying
to tie it in with what is already known makes more sense than name
dropping...

This really does sound like a complete revamp of the APES, so why try to
tie it in with the originals when it's really it's own new take on it all?



In a message dated 4/10/2010 3:00:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> I think CHUD was reading connections to the original Heston movie that
> aren't there. "Caesar" doesn't sound like a direct prequel to the original,
> they are just borrowing names. Here's the Chud piece (no John Chambers
> mention):

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*** Isn't that sort of the same plot device they were going to use in
"Return of the Apes"? ***


In a message dated 4/10/2010 3:00:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> The apes try to take out the humans with a virus:

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I personally do not believe any of this until some other big source like SuperHeroHype picks up on it. I really don't think the studio would make so many obvious homages to the original. Us fans of the original series wouldn't need to be hit over the head with references to get it. But I could be totally wrong as well.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Caesar Begins

 

I personally do not believe any of this until some other big source like SuperHeroHype picks up on it. I really don't think the studio would make so many obvious homages to the original. Us fans of the original series wouldn't need to be hit over the head with references to get it. But I could be totally wrong as well.

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*** Believe me, I hope you're right... But from all I had read/seen about
the pota2001 mess, there were way too many references in there, so they have
a track record of this sort of thing: Naming characters Nova and Zaius, the
messed up reworkings of the "Damned dirty ape" and "Damn them all to Hell"
lines, the unnecessary cameos by Heston and Harrison, and I'm sure there's
more... I wouldn't be surprised if they'd do it again, but I'm with you, we
don't need to be hit over the head with that sh*t... ***



In a message dated 4/10/2010 9:53:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
xxcellardoorxx@... writes:

> . I really don't think the studio would make so many obvious homages to
> the original. Us fans of the original series wouldn't need to be hit over
> the head with references to get it. But I could be totally wrong as well.
>

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*** That it is... ***


In a message dated 4/10/2010 10:26:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> Don't know if anyone has seen this one before, it's pretty cool:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geminibuildupstudios.com/id70.htmlquot;>
> http://www.geminibuildupstudios.com/id70.htmllt;/A>
>
>

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:01:40 AM Central Daylight Time,

jessicarotich@... writes:

> I guess I come from the mindset that I need to be able to lump myself
> with others, and having the boys with me in ape costumes make the experience
> less lonely. You already stick out like a sore thumb once you step off the
> Planet of the Apes and onto a convention floor--all eyes are upon you and
> there is no going back. It's a weird sensation but I think that's what
> costuming is about, to garner that attention.

*** If you like the attention, I can see why you'd want to dress up as Zira
and I can also see why you'd want at least one other there so you're not
quite as alone, but at one of those modern conventions, the chances of finding
Cornelius in the crowd is slim... If there were such things as classic
Sci-Fi conventions (or better yet, one focused on APES) then I'm sure you'd have
a lot of company... And since you don't like being the only ape, have you
ever thought about having "HardyGirl" from the Mego group dress up with you
(maybe in a pullover mask like your kids had)? ***

>
> It's really hard to dress up as an ape from Planet of the Apes because to
> pull off a good costume, you either have to have lots of chimpchange, or
> you have to be all of the following: makeup artist, tailor/seamstress, hair
> stylist, and sculptor.
>

*** I can believe this, not only for APES but for a lot of the other
costumes I've seen online or on TV... Those "modern" Klingons from ST must be a
b**** to create from scratch. ***

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*** That's too bad, especially since it seems like there's a part of her
that'd want to costume up... ***




In a message dated 4/11/2010 2:39:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
jessicarotich@... writes:

> Mike I asked Sharry if she could wear a pullover, and she flat out
> refused. She said she's not about to sweat under a pullover, foam latex or
> whatnot. She was complaining about being a regular Joe Schmoe when chatting
> with the celebrities because she was not dressed in costume.

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*** Exactly. ***


In a message dated 4/11/2010 8:10:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> These "cute" references are commonplace in "reboots" to win over the fans
> instead of winning them over with an actual good movie.

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I received the Forbidden Zine on Friday, but had to wait until Saturday
to read it. And then I was able to read in all in one great sitting.

I had high expectations based on advance info, but the zine was all that
was promised.

I can see why the printing costs where so high. This is by far the
highest grade of paper and color I have ever seen for a 'zine'.
Newsstand magazines do not compare. This is "Thick" quality paper stock!

I'm not going to comment to much about the stuff already discussed by
others that have reviewed the zine, so I'll start of with the things
that caught me by surprise. Many here know that I'm a big fan of Ty's
"Revolution" comic series. So it was a special treat for me to find many
of the conceptual drawings that led to the final covers. It's cool to
see the tweaks and modifications made as it changes hands and gets
revised until it hits the printers. (Perhaps we'll see this for the
covers of the Forbidden Zine itself someday.)

Keeping with the "Art" theme, "Painting POTA" by Graham "Hilly" Hill is
up next. We've all enjoyed his work before and he's even shown a few of
his works before as they have progressed from one stage to another, but
his detailed description of the many phases of his "Councilor Zaius"
piece was great. If nothing else, it shows just how much work goes into
creating these POTA masterpieces.

The article on the upcoming "Conspiracy" graphic novel just makes the
wait all the more anxious. The best part of course was the fantastic
"Complications" artwork by E.M. Gist. Wow! To be honest, I think it is
the best piece coming out of this venture and even outdoes the art they
have already released. If this is the kind of art that will be in
"Conspiracy", we'll be in for a great novel. I do hope 'Blam!' finalize
the release details soon.

Another article that was a bit of an eye opener regarding the amount of
work needed to create POTA inspired creation is Jessica's Costuming
article. As she mentions, it looks a lot easier than it is. I admit that
a lot of the things she mentioned are over my head as my sewing
experience is limited to sewing back a few loose buttons. But we can now
appreciate the real work that goes on for both costumers like herself
and even the kind work that went into making the original movie
costumes. The difference being is that Jessica is doing ALL the work
herself.

Neil Moxham's POTApedia article was a reminder for me to get off my
tuckus and see if there is anything I can contribute myself. The wiki
will never answer the many things that are in dispute among fans, but it
is important that we at least have all the facts archived. This is
especially important for a franchise like POTA where we seem to lose
those few people every year who had personal experience of the original
prodution as it took place. Soon they will all be gone and then projects
like the wiki will be the only authoritative sources we have.

It was nice seeing "Begins" again, and its been so long since I've last
read it, it was nearly 'new' to me. Nice work Michael and Neil. Reminds
me that I should also revisit Gideon too.

But the best. The BEST, was the awesome 'Kirby' style GENESIS comic by
Neil. I thought I had seen it all with the many different illustrations
and styles that he's treated us over the years, but he really nailed the
vintage style aimed for here. I really felt just like I was back in the
70's. Can't say how much I'm looking to seeing this story continue, not
only for the art, but for the plot being presented as well.

Now if we can only be assured that we see another Forbidden Zine. I know
that the reception has been lackluster. The price point is high, but
understandable because of the print quality. As much as I like the
quality and would be willing to pay for another just like it, I would be
willing to compromise if it brings more readers. Time will tell.

A big thank you to all who contributed articles, art or helped out in
any other way. But and even bigger thanks to Michael and Neil, for
accomplishing what they set out to do.

Dario

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Forbiden Zine #1

 

I received the Forbidden Zine on Friday, but had to wait until Saturday
to read it. And then I was able to read in all in one great sitting.

I had high expectations based on advance info, but the zine was all that
was promised.

I can see why the printing costs where so high. This is by far the
highest grade of paper and color I have ever seen for a 'zine'.
Newsstand magazines do not compare. This is "Thick" quality paper stock!

I'm not going to comment to much about the stuff already discussed by
others that have reviewed the zine, so I'll start of with the things
that caught me by surprise. Many here know that I'm a big fan of Ty's
"Revolution" comic series. So it was a special treat for me to find many
of the conceptual drawings that led to the final covers. It's cool to
see the tweaks and modifications made as it changes hands and gets
revised until it hits the printers. (Perhaps we'll see this for the
covers of the Forbidden Zine itself someday.)

Keeping with the "Art" theme, "Painting POTA" by Graham "Hilly" Hill is
up next. We've all enjoyed his work before and he's even shown a few of
his works before as they have progressed from one stage to another, but
his detailed description of the many phases of his "Councilor Zaius"
piece was great. If nothing else, it shows just how much work goes into
creating these POTA masterpieces.

The article on the upcoming "Conspiracy" graphic novel just makes the
wait all the more anxious. The best part of course was the fantastic
"Complications" artwork by E.M. Gist. Wow! To be honest, I think it is
the best piece coming out of this venture and even outdoes the art they
have already released. If this is the kind of art that will be in
"Conspiracy" , we'll be in for a great novel. I do hope 'Blam!' finalize
the release details soon.

Another article that was a bit of an eye opener regarding the amount of
work needed to create POTA inspired creation is Jessica's Costuming
article. As she mentions, it looks a lot easier than it is. I admit that
a lot of the things she mentioned are over my head as my sewing
experience is limited to sewing back a few loose buttons. But we can now
appreciate the real work that goes on for both costumers like herself
and even the kind work that went into making the original movie
costumes. The difference being is that Jessica is doing ALL the work
herself.

Neil Moxham's POTApedia article was a reminder for me to get off my
tuckus and see if there is anything I can contribute myself. The wiki
will never answer the many things that are in dispute among fans, but it
is important that we at least have all the facts archived. This is
especially important for a franchise like POTA where we seem to lose
those few people every year who had personal experience of the original
prodution as it took place. Soon they will all be gone and then projects
like the wiki will be the only authoritative sources we have.

It was nice seeing "Begins" again, and its been so long since I've last
read it, it was nearly 'new' to me. Nice work Michael and Neil. Reminds
me that I should also revisit Gideon too.

But the best. The BEST, was the awesome 'Kirby' style GENESIS comic by
Neil. I thought I had seen it all with the many different illustrations
and styles that he's treated us over the years, but he really nailed the
vintage style aimed for here. I really felt just like I was back in the
70's. Can't say how much I'm looking to seeing this story continue, not
only for the art, but for the plot being presented as well.

Now if we can only be assured that we see another Forbidden Zine. I know
that the reception has been lackluster. The price point is high, but
understandable because of the print quality. As much as I like the
quality and would be willing to pay for another just like it, I would be
willing to compromise if it brings more readers. Time will tell.

A big thank you to all who contributed articles, art or helped out in
any other way. But and even bigger thanks to Michael and Neil, for
accomplishing what they set out to do.

Dario

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I've had my copy for about a week but didn't have time to give it an attentive read until today.

The obvious question is: Worth the $20? If you're a fan of Neil's art then absolutely yes. Not counting the beautiful wrap-around cover, you get 23 pages of Neil's art. Less than a buck a page! And it's all in color! There's a pin-up page (17) that looks a little soft, like it was blown up a little bigger than it should have been to fill the page (perhaps something else was intended for that page and got dropped?) but the other 22 pages are all sharp, crisp oversized comic pages. The first five are part of a prequel story to the main story (which is itself a prequel, so that's a bit odd) and are done in the style of Jack Kirby from when he worked with Stan Lee.

But what if you're not a huge Foster Fan, but merely an afficianado? There's other excellent art in FZ #1. The center spread has sketches and paintings from the Mr. Comics series. There's also unused art from the Mr. Comics series by Richard Pace on the inside covers and a painting on the contents page. Finally, there is a full-page color painting by E. M. Gist from the upcoming Conspiracy illustrated novel.

There are four articles in the 'zine. The first is an interview with Drew Gaska, who is behind Conspiracy. I found the interview very interesting. What I got from the interview is that Blam! has a wide variety of artists contributing to the book, some new to Apes, some who may have their own fans who will pick up the book to see the work of their favorite artist.

The other three articles are all by fans and cover a means by which they express their fandom. Neil Moxham tells us about the PotA wiki, Graham Hill tells us about how he paints Apes, and Jessica Rotich provides some tips and tricks for sewing a Zira costume. I enjoyed them all and learned a little something I didn't know or realize before from each. The enthusiasm each fan feels for their creative outlet comes through clearly in the articles. Well done, all.

For the next issue I'd like to see a little more variety in the articles. How about an interview between Neil and another well-known Apes artist where it's more a conversation between two artists than an interview?

It would also be great to read a short, complete comics story in an issue instead of parts of two stories.

Looking forward to issue 2!

Greg P.