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...unless they're supposed to be ape/human hybrids, of course? They kind of look like they could be.

I don't to be too negative towards a big company taking an interest in POTA but yes, I will get in touch with them. The costumes and airships look out of place in a classic apes comic but I should probably wait until I've read the first issue before I judge it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Moxy
>
>
>
> I hope you will join us in rattling "BOOM!"'s cage and letting them know the
> apes look like.well..humans!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Friday, 8 April 2011 10:26 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boom POTA #1 preview
>
>
>
>
>
> Reminds me of the Burton spin-off comics more than anything else (which were
> ok, some of them). But yeah, some of the chimps look very human. In fact the
> only way to distinguish the humans is that they're bald. Well, the male
> humans anyway. I'll still buy the first few issues though, and if the story
> is worthwhile it could still tune up the artwork by #2 or #3.
>
> Neil M
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael &
> Sally" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > It has a HUMAN nose!
> >
> >
> > How could "artists" fuck that up?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Graham
> > Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 7:08 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boom POTA #1 preview
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael
> & Sally" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > ..but they look NOTHING like POTA
> > > apes.
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > Yeah...certainly the child Ape on the double page spread (Page 8 & 9 of
> the
> > preview ) looks very ...hmm POTA 2001 ...
> > but we'll see :)
> >
> > Best,G
> >
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No, I'm talking about the chimps in the BOOM comic.

I just meant that the colo(u)r artwork, and the style of the costumes and of the city reminds me of the Burton comics. For example:

http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Shiva

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote:
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> Damn. So much for my theory that the Burton spin-off comics had the apes looking like they were from the original series. :)
>
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> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
> Sent: Friday, 8 April 2011 10:26 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boom POTA #1 preview
> Â
> Â
>
>
>
> Reminds me of the Burton spin-off comics more than anything else (which were ok, some of them). But yeah, some of the chimps look very human. In fact the only way to distinguish the humans is that they're bald. Well, the male humans anyway. I'll still buy the first few issues though, and if the story is worthwhile it could still tune up the artwork by #2 or #3.
>
> Neil M
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > It has a HUMAN nose!
> >
> >
> > How could "artists" fuck that up?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> > Graham
> > Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 7:08 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boom POTA #1 preview
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > ..but they look NOTHING like POTA
> > > apes.
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > Yeah...certainly the child Ape on the double page spread (Page 8 & 9 of the
> > preview ) looks very ...hmm POTA 2001 ...
> > but we'll see :)
> >
> > Best,G
> >
>

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In a message dated 4/8/2011 8:14:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
neilmoxham@... writes:

> ...unless they're supposed to be ape/human hybrids, of course? They kind
> of look like they could be.
>

*** Hybrids or Mon Chi Chis... ***

> I don't to be too negative towards a big company taking an interest in
> POTA but yes, I will get in touch with them. The costumes and airships look
> out of place in a classic apes comic but I should probably wait until I've
> read the first issue before I judge it.

*** The more I'm seeing of this, the more negative I am getting toward this
new comic... I don't know which series of original films those guys
supposedly got their inspiration from, but it's not the five APES films... ***
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I have all 3 covers coming to me... a decision I may regret. :(

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <shop@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Graham, I'm not a mad comic buyer like I used to be so I'm not
> up with all the new terms and stuff so I was wondering what the heck is
> an "Incentive cover"?
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
>
> Incentive covers are variants which publishers will send/ sell to a
> retailer if a certain sales bracket is reached.
>
> So with Boom's POTA if a retailer buys 10 copies they then get a
> different variant cover as their 11th copy.
>
> Other publishers have lots of different brackets / incentive levels 1:25
> 1:100 etc... just a way of hyping retailers orders.
>
> Boom's POTA should be out on the 27th of April.
>
> Best,Graham.
>

Well, they were quick to respond. I'll give them that. At least they just didn't blow off my email.---


We hear your concerns, but think that once you read the entire first issue, all
your worries will be put aside. It is a great issue!

Best,

BOOM!

On Apr 8, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Muppet John wrote:

> I hate to say that my excitement is lacking the more I see previews for the
new Planet of the Apes series. As a die-hard fan since I was 2 yrs old & given
my first Mego Planet of the Apes action figures, I was truly happy when I heard
of the new series & that it would take place in the original time frame....the
art I am seeing now looks as if someone is drawing apes from the Tim Burton
movie & throwing semi-classic inspired clothes on them. It's heartbreaking. I
know drawing apes that look like the classic films but still work in comic form
can be done because I've seen Neil Foster draw independent comics for fans
through the PotaDG on Yahoo! time & time again and they always "feel" like the
apes from my childhood. I am still hopefull that BOOM! can recapture the magic
of the classic Planet of the Apes series... but apes in Masters of the Universe
type outfits is not the way to go.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Muppet John" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I have all 3 covers coming to me... a decision I may regret. :(
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <shop@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Graham, I'm not a mad comic buyer like I used to be so I'm not
> > up with all the new terms and stuff so I was wondering what the heck is
> > an "Incentive cover"?
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> >
> >
> > Incentive covers are variants which publishers will send/ sell to a
> > retailer if a certain sales bracket is reached.
> >
> > So with Boom's POTA if a retailer buys 10 copies they then get a
> > different variant cover as their 11th copy.
> >
> > Other publishers have lots of different brackets / incentive levels 1:25
> > 1:100 etc... just a way of hyping retailers orders.
> >
> > Boom's POTA should be out on the 27th of April.
> >
> > Best,Graham.
> >
>

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*** Yes, a continuation of the last scene in BATTLE where it's obvious that
young apes are wearing "ape style" clothing... Unless they decided that the
apes dropped their original look ten years later (in 2680) and opted to go
for "MOTU" or "Dungeons and Dragons" apparel... ***




In a message dated 4/8/2011 7:34:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> Nah – it's a continuation of the last scene in Battle

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As far as the cloths go, I think it's ok to make the cloths a little different for a differen't Era, afer all, The cloths in battle looked the way they did because the buget was so damn lowe they had no choice but to use the same old costumes, so I don't think there is a Problem with elaborating things a bit and giving the cloths of this Era a differen't look, the Problem is that the designs are too far removed from the classic apes. so much that they do look like they are from the Burton film, The Lawgiver's outfit is actually a pretty decent update

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
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> *** Yes, a continuation of the last scene in BATTLE where it's obvious that
> young apes are wearing "ape style" clothing... Unless they decided that the
> apes dropped their original look ten years later (in 2680) and opted to go
> for "MOTU" or "Dungeons and Dragons" apparel... ***
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2011 7:34:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mswhitty@... writes:
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In a message dated 4/8/2011 8:53:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
ronhatter@... writes:

> As far as the clothes go, I think it's ok to make the clothes a little
> different for a different Era, after all, The cloths in battle looked the way
> they did because the budget was so damn low they had no choice but to use
> the same old costumes, so I don't think there is a Problem with
> elaborating things a bit and giving the cloths of this Era a different look,

*** I agree with you: The reality is that they had to reuse the same
outfits in BATTLE that they used in PLANET/BENEATH for budgetary reasons... But,
since "original APES" clothes are what they used in BATTLE, they are "canon"
as to the way the apes dressed in Caesar's time and 600+ years later when
they show the BATTLE Lawgiver and his students and this new comic should
reflect that... I wouldn't mind a few altered designs (like the TV series showed
and a few have drawn in their artwork), but they should not have such an
unrecognizable appearance to their wardrobe. ***


the Problem is that the designs are too far removed from the classic apes.

> so much that they do look like they are from the Burton film,

*** That's what I've been saying all along and there's no reason for it...
Subtle changes in appearance are one thing, revamping everything is just
going to turn people off... ***


The Lawgiver's outfit is actually a pretty decent update

*** That one isn't so bad... At least he still has the orangutan colors and
the outfit isn't changed up so much that you can't tell what he's supposed
to be... ***
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It's not too bad I suppose but I don't like the skin tight pants. Since when did the Lawgiver have super-hero muscles?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

> The Lawgiver's outfit is actually a pretty decent update
>
> *** That one isn't so bad... At least he still has the orangutan colors and
> the outfit isn't changed up so much that you can't tell what he's supposed
> to be... ***
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Here's what "Rise of the POTA" is up against!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T8zepWOyB8

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Thanks, Jess. But wrong group. : )

From: jessica rotich

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:44 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Summer 2011

Thanks, Mr. Chopped Liver.

:)

Jess.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Here's what "Rise of the POTA" is up against!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T8zepWOyB8

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Al, I agree 100%. It's great to see my reservations about the look of the apes wiped away.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
> I think they look great.
> Those are not human eyes, those are eyes of intelligence.
> Very creepy. Very cool!

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*** He looks like Oliver-the "humanzee"...



In a message dated 4/12/2011 5:08:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> I guess I mean the eyeBROWS…not the eyes…
>
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*** Well, at least this CGI chimp doesn't have a shaved neck and makeup...
We're lucky enough that the new BOOM! comics decided to adopt that style...
***



In a message dated 4/12/2011 3:59:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
mswhitty@... writes:

> The words "look more human" are ringing in my ears – the words they use
> to describe "Ari"…..

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There's no way anyone here will be happy unless it's a scene for scene, identical make up copy of the original POTA. POTA was/is a great Sci Fi movie. POTA 01 was a decent ACTION movie with GREAT, make up. Rick Baker's designs were as close to real as you can get with an actor underneath using their own expressions. Now people are complaining that these apes are not accurate. So the make ups in Conquest made you think they were real apes? C'MON---IT'S A MOVIE. IT"S A DIFFERENT TAKE ON POTA. Look at it as it's own movie, not part of the original.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, <mlccougar@... > wrote:

*** Well, at least this CGI chimp doesn't have a shaved neck and makeup...
We're lucky enough that the new BOOM! comics decided to adopt that style...
***

In a message dated 4/12/2011 3:59:54 PM Central Daylight Time,

mswhitty@... writes:

> The words "look more human" are ringing in my ears – the words they use
> to describe "Ari"…..

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I can see no way how this new film could be part of the original series either. I'm sure it will be another completely different take on POTA myself.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> whether this is part of the original films (I don't think so, some people do)

A "scene for scene, identical make up copy of the original POTA" would make me unhappy. The last thing I want is an exact copy of something we've had before, what's the point of that?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Barkley <skintricks62@...> wrote:
>
> There's no way anyone here will be happy unless it's a scene for scene,
> identical make up copy of the original POTA. POTA was/is a great Sci Fi
> movie. POTA 01 was a decent ACTION movie with GREAT, make up. Rick Baker's
> designs were as close to real as you can get with an actor underneath using
> their own expressions. Now people are complaining that these apes are not
> accurate. So the make ups in Conquest made you think they were real apes?
> C'MON---IT'S A MOVIE. IT"S A DIFFERENT TAKE ON POTA. Look at it as it's
> own movie, not part of the original.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, <mlccougar@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > *** Well, at least this CGI chimp doesn't have a shaved neck and makeup...
> > We're lucky enough that the new BOOM! comics decided to adopt that style...
> >
> > ***
> >
> > In a message dated 4/12/2011 3:59:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > mswhitty@... writes:
> >
> > > The words "look more human" are ringing in my ears – the words they use
> > > to describe "Ari"…..
> >
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> >
>

Looks like he has bumps above his eyes to me.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
> It just does not look right to me and I think it would look better with the bumps there that normal apes do have.

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Haven't seen this one before:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49266

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Yeah, the concept art of the Apes in revolt won me over. It looks amazing & to hear Andy Serkis talk about the conflict & emotion Caesar goes through not understanding where he fits in seems right on target. I think we may finally get that more adult Planet of the Apes movie created by people who "get it" that we've all dreamed about. I'm really excited now.

....but I was really excited when I got my first glimpses of Rick Bakers make-up too... & we all know how that worked out.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Good stuff on the chat. Hopefully it will be archived somewhere so everyone can see it. For now it looks like they keep repeating it. About a half hour. I didn't know it was going to be an actual video, I thought it would be people typing. Dan Jolin of "Empire" magazine moderates.
> Starts with a video of behind the scenes with comments by director Rupert Wyatt, then live from New Zealand with the WETA guys, Dan Lemmon and Joe Letteri. Obviously most of the questions were about CG. They talked about how they build from one movie to another, stuff developed for "Avatar" helped this, etc. They said one of the advantages of this flick is that the apes are roughly the same size as the humans so it's easier to facilitate the CG actors while filming (the "Avatar" folks and Kong were big, Gollum was small compared to the people playing them). Letteri said WETA was particularly interested because it's an origin story and showing how the apes develop.
> Andy Serkis joins them and has great praise for the script, the director and Franco. Says his character goes through a "beautifully written" character arc. He also says he based Caesar on the famous humanzee (Oliver). Says there's no comparison really with doing "King Kong" because the characters go on different journeys. They also showed some footage of Caesar and I noticed he wiggles his nose like Roddy used to do. I loved that touch!
> There is some really cool concept art and the finale looks like it will be incredible. It ends with a couple secs of tonight's trailer.
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Wow, this looks great. Love the end bit with the gorilla leaping at the helicopter!

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "They're not people, you know?"
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rise-Of-The-Planet-Of-The-Apes-Trailer-Conquers-Earth-24196.html"
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He kind of makes it sound like an alternate prequel to the original movie. Like it will ignore the other four sequels but might tie in with the original?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a great interview with the director Rupert Wyatt done yesterday after the trailer hit. Worth reading if you want to know where this guy's coming from. Talks about fan expectations, etc.
>
> http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-director-rupert-wyatt-qa/
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