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...and on its way to me right now according to the notification I just got from Amazon. Can't wait!

Neil T.

Just read it and agree completely with everything he says, absolutely spot on, the perfect review of Rise.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> So-so. Same # of stars as "Cowboys and Aliens" and only half a star better than "Green Lantern". Don't know if that's a "thumbs up" or not.
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> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110803/REVIEWS/110809988
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> While we're at it, here's his review of "Project Nim":
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> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110706/REVIEWS/110709994
>

Just remembered another thing that didn't impress me either - the music wasn't much to write home about, some of it even sounded POTA 2001ish.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
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> I sat next to Neil.
>
>
>
> I was far more impressed by the movie than Neil was but I also had to leave
> before the end with a good 30 minutes to go. I'll be seeing it again
> tonight!
>
>
>
> So with no spoilers I will say it does not have much more to offer than the
> trailers, which is a shame. Apes look great, actors do well except the dude
> playing JACOBS - I think he stinks as an actor. There is a PARADE of
> references to the original movie/s and while I would not have approached it
> this way, it did not bother me as much a it bothered Neil. It was overdone
> though and I wish they had been more subtle.
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> I think Neil has a good point to - that it is more an origin for sequels
> than a movie.
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> I'm happy it was made and I think it's a good movie with potential for great
> sequels!
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> MIchael
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> _____
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> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil T. Foster
> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2011 2:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Just back from seeing Rise.
>
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> To tell the truth I was rather under whelmed by it. The CGI Apes do look
> fantastic and the Caesar performance is great but that was about it for me.
> The over use of 'nods' and names etc. from the original really started to
> piss me off after a while.
>
> I do hope that they do a sequel though because all this movie really did for
> me was to set one up.
>
> Wish I could be more enthusiastic about it but I'm not even in a hurry to go
> and see it again but maybe that's just me, hopefully everyone else will like
> it and will think that I must be an idiot or something!
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> Neil T. Foster
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As long as there isn't yet another - 'take your stinking paws off me...etc.' in it I will be happy!

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Be careful, Neil. I feel there's going to be a lot of references to the original movie. : )
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:03 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] There's a Conspiracy in the air
>
>
>
> ...and on its way to me right now according to the notification I just got from Amazon. Can't wait!
>
> Neil T.
>

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More likely to lead to a NEW version of the original I think rather than the actual original Planet movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

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Yeah well after seeing it I don't believe him. Once again I don't want to reveal anything but it can't be a 'direct prequel' to the original as he's changed things that relate to that movie.

He also said they wouldn't go overboard with references to the original didn't he? I've seen how that turned out!

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, the director said it's a direct prequel to the Heston film. I don't know if they're going to deal with the contradictions of Heston leaving in 1972 (like the new "Star Trek" made it different timeline with Nimoy's help) or if they're just going to ignore the details (what I call a squintquel).
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Just back from seeing Rise.
>
>
>
> More likely to lead to a NEW version of the original I think rather than the actual original Planet movie.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
>
> > Especially awkward since the director said this is supposed to lead directly to the original.
>

Like I said this review is absolutely spot on. I did notice there are some fans on various other forums who had been waiting for that review as he is one of the few critics they will give credence to. Since reading it though and finding out that he's not very impressed with it they are now saying that he's not all that after all and he's never liked POTA etc.! Makes me laugh.
Some people have convinced themselves that Rise is going to be the greatest thing ever and I think a few are in for a bit of a disappointment.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Me too I have to agree. I do like the movie though - I'm a fan.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2011 5:12 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Roger's review "Rises"
>
>
>
>
>
> Just read it and agree completely with everything he says, absolutely spot
> on, the perfect review of Rise.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jeff K."
> <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > So-so. Same # of stars as "Cowboys and Aliens" and only half a star better
> than "Green Lantern". Don't know if that's a "thumbs up" or not.
> >
> >
> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110803/REVIEWS/1
> 10809988
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> > While we're at it, here's his review of "Project Nim":
> >
> >
> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110706/REVIEWS/1
> 10709994
> >
>

http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/movies/126779513.html"

Well I'm not a fan. The more I've been thinking about it the more things I realise were just plain crap. I have no problem with the CGI just a lot of the rest of it. Maybe I need to see it again or something?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
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Do they give the names of the crew members? That's BS if we're supposed to
believe that this is the same crew that lands in the original PLANET
especially since their names have been given to people in this new film... Yes
there can be people with the same names, but if they have the same names (or
partially same names) and they're in the same "film universe" that's just
stupid... This movie is sounding less appealing with each thing I read...









In a message dated 8/4/2011 4:53:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
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Did anyone stay long enough to see if there was a surprise after the credits?

Jeff

I was wondering that too...

Whitty or Neil?




In a message dated 8/4/2011 10:56:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
skintricks62@... writes:

> Did anyone stay long enough to see if there was a surprise after the
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Sorry but I don't give a toss what you or anyone else thinks of it to tell the truth. I've seen it and I didn't think a lot of it and that's the only opinion that matters to me.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The only opinion that matters is mine so why don't we settle down and wait for the verdict? Huh?
>

I stayed to the bitter end and there is no surprise at the end of the credits. There is a little epilog of sorts just after the start of the credits and then it goes back into the credits proper.

I stayed in my seat when the credits started but everyone else in the cinema (all 7 or 8 or so people) got up and started walking out and all had to stop in the isles to watch the little extra bit. Just another thing that is stupid about this movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Barkley <skintricks62@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone stay long enough to see if there was a surprise after the
> credits?
>

I'll guess that this film might open in one of the Top 3 spots ("maybe" #
1) but only because there's nothing else major opening against it and the top
films right now are doing mediocre at best so RISE may slightly edge them
out... By next weekend it will drop out of the Top 5 or lower and will be in
a budget cinema by the first week of September...

DVD release will be in early November...





In a message dated 8/4/2011 11:04:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
ntfoster@... writes:

> I stayed in my seat when the credits started but everyone else in the
> cinema (all 7 or 8 or so people) got up and started walking out and all had to
> stop in the isles to watch the little extra bit.

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Wanted to say if not in a budget cinema by then, it will be well on the way
to it... It';ll be second run by mis September...



In a message dated 8/4/2011 11:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

> By next weekend it will drop out of the Top 5 or lower and will be in
> a budget cinema by the first week of September...
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I know it might read like I want this film to flop since I'm on the fence
about seeing it, but in a way I hope you're right about it spawning sequels
if for no other reason than to show ST and SW that they're not the only game
in town... That said, my gut feeling is that I really don't think this film
will have what it takes to reinvigorate the APES name...



In a message dated 8/4/2011 11:39:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> Yes, it's supposed to be Taylor in the "Icarus". I'm sure all will be
> explained in "Rise", Pt. 4.

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I think I'm the only one in my train of thought, BUT...I don't see any "Reboot", "Reimagining", or "Remake" as kick starting the series. The one thing that they all do is keep POTA in everybody's mind. This is evident to me by going to the conventions in make up. People see you in full costume (whether it's Classic or Burton) and get a big smile on their faces. They yell out lines from the originals. Most people have pleasant memories of Apes. Unless a direct remake is made or a miracle happens, there will never be a replacement or equal in our eyes and minds. But, any new film just reignites most people's love of the one and only 198 Planet of the Apes. The only other way,I think, of getting another media blitz of Apes is with a successful TV series. Just my 2 cents.

Jeff

ALL movies fall into that category nowadays. The days of Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark are gone forever. Even 1989s Batman was on video while it was still in theaters. And that movie was a success.


Jeff

Actually we don't know that and this is one of the main poblems with people reading things into a movie without knowing what's intended and what isn't. No where does it mention Taylor and the whole 'Icarus' thing is probably just another in the long line of references to the original movie (even though they should have known that the icarus name was made up years later by a fan.)

Heston is on a TV screen in the background in one scene, in one of his old movies, I think it was The Agony and The Ecstasy?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, it's supposed to be Taylor in the "Icarus". I'm sure all will be explained in "Rise", Pt. 4.
> I heard Heston actually makes an appearance in the film, like Brando in the recent "Superman". True?

Good points and well said...





In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:00:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
skintricks62@... writes:

> I think I'm the only one in my train of thought, BUT...I don't see any
> "Reboot", "Reimagining", or "Remake" as kick starting the series. The one
> thing that they all do is keep POTA in everybody's mind. This is evident to
> me by going to the conventions in make up. People see you in full costume
> (whether it's Classic or Burton) and get a big smile on their faces. They
> yell out lines from the originals. Most people have pleasant memories of
> Apes. Unless a direct remake is made or a miracle happens, there will never
> be a replacement or equal in our eyes and minds. But, any new film just
> reignites most people's love of the one and only 198 Planet of the Apes. The
> only other way,I think, of getting another media blitz of Apes is with a
> successful TV series. Just my 2 cents.

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I think it was just - LOST IN SPACE.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
> Later a newspaper appears with a heading "MARS MISSION LOST"
> or something similar.

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Once again, this is the same director who said they wouldn't go overboard with references to the original.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> In the script there's a voiceover saying Col. Taylor is leaving in the Icarus for Mars.
> The director said in "Sci-Fi" magazine (official mag of the Sci-Fi Channel): "In this film, we see television footage of the Icarus taking off from Earth, so that's a clear reference to the 1968 film... this is primarily a prequel to the 1968 film".

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Didn't Virdon/Burke's ship hit the radio-active turbulance near Alpha
Centauri?




In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:50:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
smwhitty@... writes:

> YES! Wasn't the LOST IN SPACE crew on the way to Alpha Centauri?

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Came across this info as well. I think Rise will make around $65M this weekend. Burton's horror fest remake brought in $68M opening weekend and that thing was universally panned by critics.

I also wonder if the predictions are on the low side so when the film brings in near double the amount it will make for glossier headlines in box office land. I certainly hope it does big numbers it deserves to I thoroughly enjoyed it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Despite the good word of mouth and reviews saying they didn't expect the movie to be this good, predictions are still giving "Rise of the POTA" the cold shoulder (except that it's almost guaranteed to be # 1 this weekend). It's expected to do "Cowboys and Aliens" level, though about half the cost and no big stars. Midnight showings did $ 1.25 million. Remains to be seen if the apes cross the bridge to a sequel.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3236&p=.htm
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/
>

I am getting tired of reading reviews for Rise where critics consistently site the classic Apes franchise for being campy. I have adored these films since I was a kid. They are not campy.

Planet of the Apes is as awesome and twisted today as it was forty years ago. They refer to actors in monkey suits. It was ground breaking makeup then and it still packs a powerful punch today.

The studio cut costs on the ape appliances in the sequels but, still General Ursus, Cornelius the mutants. This is classic 70's science fiction, it is not camp.

Does anyone else agree?

Didn't a lot of people say that Burton's film was a set up to a sequel?

This isn't history repeating itself is it? :)



In a message dated 8/5/2011 5:01:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
smwhitty@... writes:

> It has to!
>
> It's a sequel launch pad, it's not a movie!
>
> Michael
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2011 6:21 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Box office of the Apes
>
>
>
> Remains to be seen if the apes cross the bridge to a sequel.
>
>
>
>
>

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I agree... I never thought of them as "camp/y"... A little low on the
budget end of things but that still didn't stop them from making the best with
what they had...





In a message dated 8/5/2011 5:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
jpptrs@... writes:

> I am getting tired of reading reviews for Rise where critics consistently
> site the classic Apes franchise for being campy. I have adored these films
> since I was a kid. They are not campy.
>
> Planet of the Apes is as awesome and twisted today as it was forty years
> ago. They refer to actors in monkey suits. It was ground breaking makeup
> then and it still packs a powerful punch today.
>
> The studio cut costs on the ape appliances in the sequels but, still
> General Ursus, Cornelius the mutants. This is classic 70's science fiction, it
> is not camp.
>
> Does anyone else agree?
>

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Well I'm one "Apes" fan who will be quite happy to pull it to pieces once everyone has seen it.
So now you've seen it do you still think it is a direct prequel to the '68 original?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That's supposed to be "I just DON'T get"...
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:31 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' review: Fine
>
>
>
>
> Sorry you guys didn't like it. I had a blast. It wasn't perfect in either FX or story but I loved it.
> I really didn't have a problem with the references, they seemed pretty subtle to me. The only time I winced was the "damn dirty ape" line but they didn't spotlight it like Burton did. The "madhouse" line was very in the background. I even missed the Heston footage. My friend saw it, I guess I was concentrating on Lithgow.
> I enjoyed the humans too, even the Jacobs dude. Considering original Caesar had to deal with Breck and Kolp I didn't think he was over the top.
> I just get the "Apes" fans who are trashing this movie. It's awakening a lot of people to the power of the POTA concept.
>
>
> From: Sally & Michael
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' review: Fine effects aren't enough
>
>
>
>
> Yes that review is perfect.
>
>
> I still think it's worth seeing and as I said we all know precisely where the sequels will go but they might give us a better villain (there were actually 2 in RISE - Jacobs and MUSTANG owner).
>
>
> Compared to other stuff around it's a good movie but yes it could have been a whole lot better. I just wanted something that wiped out the memory of Burton's movie and it achieved that goal.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil T. Foster
> Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 11:10 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' review: Fine effects aren't enough
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nj.com/entertainment/movies/index.ssf/2011/08/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_review_fine_effects_arent_enough.html"
>
>
> Here's another review, written by a bloke named Stephen Whitty who seems to know his POTA stuff (a long lost American cousin Michael?!?) He sums up perfectly how I feel about it all. There's a couple of little spoilers in it but nothing major.
>
>
> Neil T. Foster
>