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Group: potadg Message: 59932 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...
Group: potadg Message: 59933 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: "Rise" writers ready for sequel
Group: potadg Message: 59934 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: OT: Heston said the Earth will survive us
Group: potadg Message: 59935 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
Group: potadg Message: 59936 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
Group: potadg Message: 59937 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
Group: potadg Message: 59938 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59939 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59940 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Is Not Campy
Group: potadg Message: 59941 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59942 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
Group: potadg Message: 59943 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: "Rise" street art
Group: potadg Message: 59944 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: "The Help" no help to the Ape cause
Group: potadg Message: 59945 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Hunter Goatley at the BBC!
Group: potadg Message: 59946 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59947 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: COMIC reference?
Group: potadg Message: 59948 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: "Rise": the Write Stuff
Group: potadg Message: 59949 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59950 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59951 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59952 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": the Write Stuff
Group: potadg Message: 59953 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
Group: potadg Message: 59954 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 59955 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
Group: potadg Message: 59956 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
Group: potadg Message: 59957 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Conspiracy question
Group: potadg Message: 59958 From: Neil T. Foster Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59959 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 59960 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy question
Group: potadg Message: 59961 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59962 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: OT The Stand
Group: potadg Message: 59963 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Rise Box Office
Group: potadg Message: 59964 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy question
Group: potadg Message: 59965 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: OT - US loses prototype hypersonic bomber
Group: potadg Message: 59966 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59967 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59968 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Serkis remembers his first time
Group: potadg Message: 59969 From: Blam Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy question
Group: potadg Message: 59970 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: OT The Stand
Group: potadg Message: 59971 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59972 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Boulle's 100th soon
Group: potadg Message: 59973 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: Hunter Goatley at the BBC!
Group: potadg Message: 59974 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59975 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Rise of the Planet of the Apes: T4 Movie Special
Group: potadg Message: 59976 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: "The Help" dusts "Rise" on Thursday
Group: potadg Message: 59977 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy question
Group: potadg Message: 59978 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: OT The Stand
Group: potadg Message: 59979 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59980 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59981 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Bat
Group: potadg Message: 59982 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59983 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 59984 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 59985 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59986 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 59987 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59988 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 59989 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
Group: potadg Message: 59990 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: OT The Stand
Group: potadg Message: 59991 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
Group: potadg Message: 59992 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
Group: potadg Message: 59993 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 59994 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59995 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 59996 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59997 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Hey Terry...
Group: potadg Message: 59998 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 59999 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60000 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 60001 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60002 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 60003 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 60004 From: cjh5801 Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60005 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 60006 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60007 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60008 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60009 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
Group: potadg Message: 60010 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
Group: potadg Message: 60011 From: renegade_37115 Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Help find please
Group: potadg Message: 60012 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: "Rise" of Week 2 box office
Group: potadg Message: 60013 From: Roy Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a min
Group: potadg Message: 60014 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a
Group: potadg Message: 60015 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 60016 From: Roy Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a
Group: potadg Message: 60017 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60018 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60019 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60020 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60021 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60022 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60023 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60024 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60025 From: Graham Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Help find please
Group: potadg Message: 60026 From: brady Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Help find please
Group: potadg Message: 60027 From: renegade_37115 Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Help find please
Group: potadg Message: 60028 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: "Apes" rise to the top 2nd weekend
Group: potadg Message: 60029 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
Group: potadg Message: 60030 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
Group: potadg Message: 60031 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...


Group: potadg Message: 59932 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...
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Wow, I hadn't read these posts yet...I'm anxious for the rest of the set. This first one was great.

Mel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
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> Each novel can be enjoyed on it's own - in fact, each story I've done can be enjoyed on it's own even if this is your first introduction to planet of the apes.
>
> This is something I am pretty adamant about in story crafting- It really bothers me that we have things like an 'ultimate' universe - Where the company throws everything out and reinvent it because they want to pull in new readers. They started this because writers say that there is too much continuity and it bogs them down. Then, you see them creating new things like say, " an alien race that the X-men in this universe have known for years but you never saw them before. The back story is important that they were friends before this." Well, why not just use the SHi'ar? New readers will simply accept that the X-men will have known these guys for a while, and fans will be happy to see something that THEY know the back story to. A diverse universe with a rich tapestry to draw upon is a great thing to start with.
>
> So it's important to me that long time fans and new ones are entertained as well. If you read all six, you will become aware of a bigger picture I have created for you - but each one has an arc for the main characters of that book that completes and then introduces the next "level", hooking you for the next book.
>
> Hope that made sense, I am getting down from my soapbox now!
> Drew G.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > I figured you (understandably) couldn't say too much, but another question
> > regarding your stories: Will they all have an "end" to them or will they be
> > left open-ended so the reader would have to read the next book (or the
> > previous one) to get the complete jist of what's going on? In other words will
> > each book be a stand-alone novel that can be seen as a part of a larger story
> > arc (or read on it's own not feeling like a cliffhanger)?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/19/2011 2:57:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > blamventurer@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > It can be thought of as two trilogies:
> > >
> > > TRILOGY ONE: The Origin Arc
> > > BOOK 1 - during the original film to between it and beneath
> > > BOOK 2 - between the original and beneath to during beneath
> > > BOOK 3 - Between beneath and escape
> > >
> > > TRILOGY TWO: The Altered Timeline Arc
> > > BOOK 4 - dealing with the television series, during conquest, and between
> > > conquest and battle (revolution times).
> > > BOOK 5 - dealing with the animated series, during conquest, and between
> > > conquest and battle (revolution times).
> > > BOOK 6 - dealing with post battle, Caesar's end times.
> > >
> > > Can not and will not elaborate...
> > > Drew G.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure you don't want to give too much away (and maybe you can't
> > > anyway)
> > > > but if all six of them are completed, will they all take place on the
> > > future
> > > > Earth of PLANET/BENEATH or will the other novels do some "time travel"
> > > and
> > > > take place in other times (like between ECAPE and CONQUEST, or CONQUEST
> > > and
> > > > BATTLE, etc.)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 6/17/2011 6:17:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > blamventurer@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In total, I have a six novel arc planned, as of now only the first two
> > > > > books are confirmed.
> > > > > Drew G.
> > >
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59933 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: "Rise" writers ready for sequel
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  As with director Rupert Wyatt, the writers of "Rise of the POTA" are ready to go if/when Fox says so. "We feel very confident that there will be (a sequel)", says Rick Jaffa, "but at this point it's still wait-and-see"... there "haven't been any official conversations". He and Amanda Silver have enough ideas for two more and have planted seeds in "Rise" of where it would go. Usually filmmakers these days think in terms of trilogies. I say do one for 2013 and one for 2018, the 50th anniversaries.
  Thanks, Al!
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59934 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: OT: Heston said the Earth will survive us
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  This is kind of interesting considering one of Chuck Heston's most famous movies dealt with the future of our "precious planet".
  The Earth "won't miss us". Doesn't say anything about apes taking over, though.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59935 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
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  Here's the actual audio of Ed Gross' sequel talk with "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt. Interesting. He describes a scene that was cut.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59936 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
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Great clip Jeff, thanks for posting. I really hope Rupert Wyatt comes back to direct the sequel.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the actual audio of Ed Gross' sequel talk with "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt. Interesting. He describes a scene that was cut.
>
> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59937 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
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I thought this scene was very moving and powerful.

I love the way they kept the various apes sub groups in line with the original film; the militaristic gorillas, the Orangutan Government/Cleric and the Pacifist Chimpanzees.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the end of "Rise of the POTA" (almost). Doesn't it make you misty?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB1C00TLW8
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59938 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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  The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59939 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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There's one nod he left out. Police on horseback charging the apes.
Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes: Humans.
 
He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.
The cars themselves appeared as the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!
 
Al 

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 
  The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
 


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Group: potadg Message: 59940 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Is Not Campy
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Nothing touches Planet of the Apes, the first and the best but, I am very partial to Beneath it has always been a very close second next to the original.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Still haven't seen it and am in the dark about most of the reviews as I have
> chosen not to read up much about the new movie. I can't believe anyone
> would have the audacity to say this movie Is better than the original. Or
> that it's campy. Some of the sequels yes and the hear no evil part of the
> tribunal maybe but the first movie is so perfect I still get emotional about
> it. I highly doubt I will come across another movie that will leave such a
> lasting impression on me. If I do then you can call me a monkey's aunty.
>
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2011, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I agree again! Rise does not measure up to the 1968 original film.....kay
> maybe some of the sequels start to get campy but I am also bothered by those
> who say Rise is better than the first one!
> > TIm
> >
> >
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Group: potadg Message: 59941 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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I would've thought the opening scene of humans hunting apes in a jungle was an even more direct nod to the man-hunt.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> There's one nod he left out. Police on horseback charging the apes.
> Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes: Humans.
> Â
> He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.
> The cars themselves appeared as the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!
> Â
> AlÂ
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
>
>
> Â
> Â The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
> Â
> Â http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59942 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< audio: director on the "Rise" sequel
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This review ( http://theschleicherspin.com/2011/08/10/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/ ) raises a question:

"If the producers have any sense (and it seems like they do)Â…they'll offer Wyatt the world to continue behind the director's chair with what inevitably will be a new series. If Wyatt has any sense (and it seems like he does)Â…he'll run as far away from the franchise as he can and ply his trade with original films he can continue upon which to put his signature spin."

It sounds like Wyatt wants to do more though, and Fox presumably won't want to spoil a successful formula. But these things don't always work out, just ask Scott Frank, and making a cash-in sequel is also a very different process from taking a risk on a reboot. Serkis may be tied up for a few years in The Hobbit, and Silver/Jaffa, as far as I can see, had no writing credits for 13 years before this, which is quite a case of writer's block. I'm also reading between the lines that Franco won't be invited back. And maybe Peter Jackson might want to step in to the office next door and take over...



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "apesfan63" <jpptrs@...> wrote:
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>
> Great clip Jeff, thanks for posting. I really hope Rupert Wyatt comes back to direct the sequel.
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the actual audio of Ed Gross' sequel talk with "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt. Interesting. He describes a scene that was cut.
> >
> > http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59943 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: "Rise" street art
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  These are cool. Once again the U.K. wins "best marketing". Thanks for the heads up, Al.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59944 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: "The Help" no help to the Ape cause
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  The drama "The Help" cleaned POTA's clock when it debuted Wednesday. You're supposed to be the optimist, look on the bright side: "Rise" is expected to cross $ 100 million domestic this weekend.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59945 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Hunter Goatley at the BBC!
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I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)

If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:

https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3

Hunter
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Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
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Group: potadg Message: 59946 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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As subtle as a kick in the nuts!

 

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 2:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 

 

  The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.

 

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Group: potadg Message: 59947 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
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That reminds me!

 

I thought maybe there was a comic cover reference there with the gorilla holding a cop over his head?

Michael

 

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 3:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG]

>SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 

 

There's one nod he left out. Police on horseback charging the apes.

Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes: Humans.

 

He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.

The cars themselves appeared as the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!

 

Al 

 

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 

  The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.

 

 

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Group: potadg Message: 59948 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
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   "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters Jaffa and Silver talk about the moral issues of the film in an audio interview, as well as developing the concept (both audio and video interviews):
 
 
 And while we're at it, they definitely have conceived of "Rise" and it's sequels as a trilogy:
 
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Group: potadg Message: 59949 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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3. ALZ 112: The breakthrough Alzheimer's treatment Rodman creates is a timely nod to the past — 112 minutes is the running time for the original film.

I'm surprised they didn't call it TX9.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> There's one nod he left out. Police on horseback charging the apes.
> Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes: Humans.
> Â
> He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.
> The cars themselves appeared as the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!
> Â
> AlÂ
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
>
>
> Â
> Â The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
> Â
> Â http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/
>
3. ALZ 112: The breakthrough Alzheimer's treatment Rodman creates is a timely nod to the past — 112 minutes is the running time for the original film.3. ALZ 112: The breakthrough Alzheimer's treatment Rodman creates is a timely nod to the past — 112 minutes is the running time for the original film.
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Group: potadg Message: 59950 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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4. Icarus: A TV newscast playing in the background references the space mission "Icarus, lead by George Taylor," and a newspaper shown in the third act reveals the vessel has been lost in space. Icarus was the name of the spaceship that crashes on the "Planet of the Apes" in the original film, and Heston's character name was George Taylor.

Well most of that one is completely wrong, not as 'clever' as they think they are are they?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> There's one nod he left out. Police on horseback charging the apes.
> Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes: Humans.
> Â
> He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.
> The cars themselves appeared as the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!
> Â
> AlÂ
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
>
>
> Â
> Â The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
> Â
> Â http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59951 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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I agree, completely wrong use of the word subtle.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> As subtle as a kick in the nuts!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 2:20 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
>
>
>
>
>
> The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various
> references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by
> them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
>
>
>
>
> http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-
> nods-to-classic-apes/
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59952 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
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I thought that much was obvious from watching the movie myself.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> And while we're at it, they definitely have conceived of "Rise" and it's sequels as a trilogy:
>
> http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/11/rise-planet-apes-sequel-screenwriters/
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59953 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
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Really? I just though 'so that's it huh?' Didn't find it powerful or moving at all.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "apesfan63" <jpptrs@...> wrote:
>
> I thought this scene was very moving and powerful.
>
> I love the way they kept the various apes sub groups in line with the original film; the militaristic gorillas, the Orangutan Government/Cleric and the Pacifist Chimpanzees.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the end of "Rise of the POTA" (almost). Doesn't it make you misty?
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB1C00TLW8
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59954 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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  They didn't call him George Taylor in the movie so they don't have to go through with it.

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 

4. Icarus: A TV newscast playing in the background references the space mission "Icarus, lead by George Taylor," and a newspaper shown in the third act reveals the vessel has been lost in space. Icarus was the name of the spaceship that crashes on the "Planet of the Apes" in the original film, and Heston's character name was George Taylor.

Well most of that one is completely wrong, not as 'clever' as they think they are are they?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

>
> There's one nod he left out. Police
on horseback charging the apes.
> Police: Apes - Cars: Cornfield - Apes:
Humans.
>  
> He only mentioned Caesar on horseback but that
whole scene of the police on horseback charging the apes was a perfect reflection of Heston in the cornfield.
> The cars themselves appeared as
the cornfield. That's the biggest nod Rick Jaffa was talking about in his audio interview. The one that real hardcore fans would pick up on. And from the angel that that scene was shot, it looked awesome!
>  
>
Al 
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To:
href="mailto:pota%40yahoogroups.com">pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:19 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER<
POTA references in "Rise"
>
>
>  
>   The
"Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.
>  
>  
href="http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/">http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/
>

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Group: potadg Message: 59955 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2011
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  Then I guess it's back to "Transformers" for you, Neil.   : )

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:14 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend

 

Really? I just though 'so that's it huh?' Didn't find it powerful or moving at all.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "apesfan63" <jpptrs@...> wrote:

>
> I thought this scene was very moving
and powerful.
>
> I love the way they kept the various apes sub
groups in line with the original film; the militaristic gorillas, the Orangutan Government/Cleric and the Pacifist Chimpanzees.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the end of "Rise of the
POTA" (almost). Doesn't it make you misty?
> >
> >
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB1C00TLW8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB1C00TLW8
> >
>

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Group: potadg Message: 59956 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
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No anything but that!!! ;-) I'd rather watch an intelligent sci-fi story like The Man From Earth (2007) or some such.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Then I guess it's back to "Transformers" for you, Neil. : )
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:14 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< This is the end, beautiful friend
>
>
>
> Really? I just though 'so that's it huh?' Didn't find it powerful or moving at all.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "apesfan63" <jpptrs@> wrote:
> >
> > I thought this scene was very moving and powerful.
> >
> > I love the way they kept the various apes sub groups in line with the original film; the militaristic gorillas, the Orangutan Government/Cleric and the Pacifist Chimpanzees.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's the end of "Rise of the POTA" (almost). Doesn't it make you misty?
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB1C00TLW8
> > >
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 59957 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/11/2011
Subject: Conspiracy question
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Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 59958 From: Neil T. Foster Date: 8/11/2011
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    Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes. I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
     
     
    Neil T. Foster
     
     
    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
    >
    > Dunno - depends how silly
    these apes look with clothes is my main
    > consideration!
    >
    >
    Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST?  I know it should
    > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
    >
    > 
    >
    > Michael
     
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    Hello,

    This email message is a notification to let you know that
    a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
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    Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
    Description : Sketch by Neil T. Foster

    You can access this file at the URL:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/New%20Caesar%20Old%20Clothes%20sml.jpg

    To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
    http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html"
    Regards,

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    Group: potadg Message: 59960 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
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    I suspect it’s Dr Galen who was in the first movie.

     

    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chimel23@...
    Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 1:01 PM
    To: potadg@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Conspiracy question

     

     


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    Is the Galen in the Conspiracy novel the character from the television series? I'm really curious after reading.

    Thanks
    Mel

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    Group: potadg Message: 59961 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
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    That’s awesome Neil!


    I agree those clothes are timeless!

     

    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T. Foster
    Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 1:05 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

     

     

    Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes. I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.

     

     

    Neil T. Foster

     

     

    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

    >
    > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
    > consideration!
    >
    > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST?  I know it
    should
    > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
    >
    > 
    >
    > Michael

     

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    Group: potadg Message: 59962 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
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    http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/exclusive-potter-masterminds-steve-kloves-and-david-yates-reunite-for-the-stand

     

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    Group: potadg Message: 59963 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/11/2011
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    Group: potadg Message: 59964 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/11/2011
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    Oh yeah duh. I need to go watch it again, I think lol.

    Mel
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    Group: potadg Message: 59965 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/11/2011
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    Not really anything to do with POTA or is it! ;-) Check out the artist's impression of the missing plane, sort of reminds me of something.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-12/us-loses-hypersonic-aircraft/2835970

    Neil T.
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    Group: potadg Message: 59966 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/11/2011
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    Very cool!
     
    Al

    From: Neil T. Foster <ntfoster@...>
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:05 PM
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

     
    Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes. I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
     
     
    Neil T. Foster
     
     
    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
    >
    > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
    > consideration!
    >
    > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST?  I know it should
    > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
    >
    > 
    >
    > Michael
     


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    Group: potadg Message: 59967 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/11/2011
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      Wow I like that very much! Looks like their concept drawings from the 60s!!

      On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
      Very cool!
      Al

      From: Neil T. Foster < ntfoster@...>
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:05 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

      Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes. I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      Neil T. Foster
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > consideration!
      >
      > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it should
      > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael



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      Group: potadg Message: 59968 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
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        This interview is interesting in that Andy "Caesar" Serkis remembers seeing POTA as a boy and the impact it had on him.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 59969 From: Blam Date: 8/12/2011
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      No spolier space needed, it is Dr Galen from the first movie, NOT Galen from the TV series.
      Your friendly neighborhood apes author,
      Drew Gaska

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, chimel23@... wrote:
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      > Thanks
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      Group: potadg Message: 59970 From: apesfan63 Date: 8/12/2011
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      This is great news, sure Kloves and Yates will do a superb job with this epic novel. However, I would have thought they would be interested in tackling the Dark Tower especially after the Ron Howard project fizzled.
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/exclusive-potter-mastermin
      > ds-steve-kloves-and-david-yates-reunite-for-the-stand
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      Group: potadg Message: 59971 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/12/2011
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      Love your 'quick' sketch Neil. And you captured Caesar's sideway glance
      perfectly.

      And I think Jess right as well. I'm going to have to revisit some of
      those early production pieces to see how close they are. Perhaps the new
      movie is drifting towards the original Serling concept of what POTA
      should have looked like before Jacobs had to cut costs and ended up with
      the more primitive society.

      Dario

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
      Date: Friday, August 12, 2011 0:40 am
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

      > Wow I like that very much! Looks like their concept drawings from
      > the 60s!!
      >
      > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
      >
      > > Very cool!
      > >
      > > Al
      > >
      > > *From:* Neil T. Foster <ntfoster@...>
      > > *To:* PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:05 PM
      > > *Subject:* [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      > >
      > >
      > > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic'
      > chimp clothes.
      > > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      > >
      > >
      > > *Neil T. Foster*
      > >
      > > **
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...>
      > wrote:> >
      > > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > > consideration!
      > > >
      > > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I
      > know it
      > > should
      > > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Michael
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 59972 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
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        The 50th anniversary of Boulle's POTA is in 2013 but I just realized Boulle's 100th birthday is in 6 months. Just saying. There should be a life-size bronze statue of him out there somewhere.
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      Group: potadg Message: 59973 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
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      Good stuff! I like the way the BBC have gone straight to fans rather than just rely on their own entertainment reporters.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
      >
      > I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
      > Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)
      >
      > If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:
      >
      > https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3
      >
      > Hunter
      > ------
      > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
      > goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 59974 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes, etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.

      On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T. Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes.
      > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      >
      >
      >
      > Neil T. Foster
      >
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > consideration!
      > >
      > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > should
      > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 59975 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Rise of the Planet of the Apes: T4 Movie Special
      .html
      From UK TV, but I think it can be viewed worldwide. Caught a bit of this when it was shown. It's light-hearted but there's some nice interviews with the cast and even with some of the lesser-known staff from weta, although Franco comes across as surly and unfriendly...

      http://www.channel4.com/programmes/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-t4/4od#3219961
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      Group: potadg Message: 59976 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: "The Help" dusts "Rise" on Thursday
      .html
      .html
        "The Help" didn't need any to totally crush POTA on Thursday. OK, actually it was a barely perceptible win (both did $ 4.3 million and change). "Rise" made $ 77.4 million dumbestically it's first week and Week 2 begins today. Not much competish this weekend so the apes should rule (unless "Glee: the Concert" pulls it out). Next weekend will be Roddy vs. Roddy as the "Fright Night" reboot hits.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 59977 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: Conspiracy question
      .html
      No, Dr. Galen and TV Galen are two different chimps...

      Dr. Galen appears in the original PLANET film, so he's not a character
      created for CONSPIRACY...





      In a message dated 8/11/2011 10:01:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
      chimel23@... writes:


      > Is the Galen in the Conspiracy novel the character from the television
      > series? I'm really curious after reading.

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      Group: potadg Message: 59978 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: OT The Stand
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      It looks like it’s going to be a long time before we see the Dark Tower if all the people who were interested have still produced nothing!

       

      Michael

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of apesfan63
      Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 10:35 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT The Stand

       

       


      This is great news, sure Kloves and Yates will do a superb job with this epic novel. However, I would have thought they would be interested in tackling the Dark Tower especially after the Ron Howard project fizzled.
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      >
      href="http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/exclusive-potter-mastermin">http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/exclusive-potter-mastermin
      > ds-steve-kloves-and-david-yates-reunite-for-the-stand
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 59979 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html

      It’s going to happen Neil!  They already have Caesar talking now so I guess that can be explained by his exposure to the gas.

       

      Something Neil and I were discussing last night is – how many apes were in the compound?  So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO apes get so intelligent so quickly?  He was out of the gas by then…..

       

      Oh well.

       

      Michael

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

       

      It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes, etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.

      On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T. Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      >
      > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      clothes.
      > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      >
      >
      >
      > Neil T. Foster
      >
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
      "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > consideration!
      > >
      > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > should
      > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 59980 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html
        I think only the apes who were exposed to the gas are intelligent, the rest are just followers. Caesar is going to have get himself a good supply of gas for the sequel. Maybe Franco can help out. I liked the script version better, where the apes had to drink Caesar's blood.
        Besides, how did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"? Trying to show the origin story is just a slippery slope.    : o

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:15 PM
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      ItÂ’s going to happen Neil!  They already have Caesar talking now so I guess that can be explained by his exposure to the gas.

      Something Neil and I were discussing last night is – how many apes were in the compound?  So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO apes get so intelligent so quickly?  He was out of the gas by thenÂ…..

      Oh well.

      Michael

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes, etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.

      On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T. Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      >
      > Okay, here's a quick sketch
      I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp clothes.
      > I reckon the new apes
      would look all right in the old stuff.
      >
      >
      >
      > Neil
      T. Foster
      >
      >
      > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Dunno - depends how
      silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > >
      consideration!
      > >
      > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a
      tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > should
      > > have been GREEN but
      that's what I thought..
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      Michael
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 59981 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Bat
      .html
      .html

      That’s the thing Jeff – SLOPPY WRITING!

       

      It’s happening all over again!

       

      It can be done without being a slippery slope and it wasn’t.

       

      Michael

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 8:37 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

        Besides, how did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and " Battle "? Trying to show the origin story is just a slippery slope.    : o

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      Group: potadg Message: 59982 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      Those gorillas pushing the bus along the bridge amazingly act in a controlled, disciplined organised way even tough they are still 'unenhanced' by the wonder drug? Just the sort of thing they would do in the wild? No I don't think so, not even if they had an advanced intelligent leader. Just another massive problem with this movie that a lot of people are willing to overlook.

      Neil T.



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > I think only the apes who were exposed to the gas are intelligent, the rest are just followers.
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59983 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      Yep, they had the chance this time to get it completely right but they didn't. How people can say it is an intelligent movie really beggars belief.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > That's the thing Jeff - SLOPPY WRITING!
      >
      >
      >
      > It's happening all over again!
      >
      >
      >
      > It can be done without being a slippery slope and it wasn't.
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > Jeff K.
      > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 8:37 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > Besides, how did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      > "Battle"? Trying to show the origin story is just a slippery slope. : o
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59984 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      .html
       The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:17 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?

       

      That’s the thing Jeff – SLOPPY WRITING!

      ItÂ’s happening all over again!

      It can be done without being a slippery slope and it wasnÂ’t.

      Michael

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 8:37 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

        Besides, how did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and " Battle "? Trying to show the origin story is just a slippery slope.    : o

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      Group: potadg Message: 59985 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html
        A commentator on this article says because the cure is airborne, it affects the apes just by coming in contact with the others, like the virus  - - >SPOILER!< - - kills off the humans by contact. Of course! Stranger things have happened.
       

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:20 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      Those gorillas pushing the bus along the bridge amazingly act in a controlled, disciplined organised way even tough they are still 'unenhanced' by the wonder drug? Just the sort of thing they would do in the wild? No I don't think so, not even if they had an advanced intelligent leader. Just another massive problem with this movie that a lot of people are willing to overlook.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > I think only the apes who were exposed
      to the gas are intelligent, the rest are just followers.

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 59986 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59987 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      What a load of BS.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > A commentator on this article says because the cure is airborne, it affects the apes just by coming in contact with the others, like the virus - - >SPOILER!< - - kills off the humans by contact. Of course! Stranger things have happened.
      >
      > http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rise-Of-The-Planet-Of-The-Apes-Could-Become-A-Trilogy-And-Stop-There-26184.html"
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:20 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > Those gorillas pushing the bus along the bridge amazingly act in a controlled, disciplined organised way even tough they are still 'unenhanced' by the wonder drug? Just the sort of thing they would do in the wild? No I don't think so, not even if they had an advanced intelligent leader. Just another massive problem with this movie that a lot of people are willing to overlook.
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > I think only the apes who were exposed to the gas are intelligent, the rest are just followers.
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59988 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      .html
        Maurice is the Virgil of this story. Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
        Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?

       

      I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > The DVD commentary will explain all
      and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 59989 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
      .html
      .html
       "Why cookie Rocket?"

      Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:40 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?

       

      "My, he's a smart one isn't he"

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

      >
      > "NOOO!"
      >
      > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > "Rise of the POTA" spent some
      quality time reviving catchphrases from the 1968 original, but does it have any of it's own that will be included in the remake 30 years hence?
      > >
      > >
      href="http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.htmlquot;>http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.htmlbr>
      > >
      >

      <.html
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      Group: potadg Message: 59990 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: OT The Stand
      .html
      I am very excited about this, as I love the book. Although it's hard for me to see anyone but Gary Sinise as Stu Redman LOL.

      Mel
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > It looks like it's going to be a long time before we see the Dark Tower if
      > all the people who were interested have still produced nothing!
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > apesfan63
      > Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 10:35 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT The Stand
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > This is great news, sure Kloves and Yates will do a superb job with this
      > epic novel. However, I would have thought they would be interested in
      > tackling the Dark Tower especially after the Ron Howard project fizzled.
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/exclusive-potter-mastermin
      > > ds-steve-kloves-and-david-yates-reunite-for-the-stand
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59991 From: Neil Moxham Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
      .html
      "Apes stupid."

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > "Why cookie Rocket?"
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:40 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
      >
      >
      >
      > "My, he's a smart one isn't he"
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
      > >
      > > "NOOO!"
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > "Rise of the POTA" spent some quality time reviving catchphrases from the 1968 original, but does it have any of it's own that will be included in the remake 30 years hence?
      > > >
      > > > http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.html"
      > > >
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59992 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?
      .html
      .html

      RISE stupid!  J

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 1:44 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re:

      >SPOILER< What's the "Rise" catchphrase?

       

       

      "Apes stupid."

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > "Why cookie Rocket?"
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:40 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: >SPOILER< What's the "Rise"
      catchphrase?
      >
      >
      >
      > "My, he's a smart one isn't he"
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
      "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
      > >
      > > "NOOO!"
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
      "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > "Rise of the POTA" spent some quality time reviving
      catchphrases from the 1968 original, but does it have any of it's own that will be included in the remake 30 years hence?
      > > >
      > > >
      href="http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.htmlquot;>http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.htmlbr>
      > > >
      > >
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 59993 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
      .html
      .html
      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   Buck Kartalian's Birthday
       
      Date:   Saturday August 13, 2011
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy birthday Buck!
      (Julius: Planet of the Apes (1968)
      Gorilla Frank: Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 59994 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      When they've taken over the compound, killed one human and locked the other one in a cell why do they then leave via the roof? Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to just walk out the front door?

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh well.
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59995 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      But he's already way too intelligent, doesn't make sense.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > Maurice is the Virgil of this story. Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
      > Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      >
      >
      >
      > I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 59996 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html

      OK Neil that’s enough – it LOOKED way better!  J

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 2:11 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

       

      When they've taken over the compound, killed one human and locked the other one in a cell why do they then leave via the roof? Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to just walk out the front door?

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh well.

      <.html
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59997 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Hey Terry...
      .html
      Are you still a member of this group or are you exclusive to the other one these days? It's just that you still have the banner for the Forbidden Zine on your site that HAS THE WRONG CONTACT DETAILS.
      I know James and his group did everything they could to avoid promoting the magazine when it came out and he obviously deliberately omitted the FZ when he redesigned your site but at least you used to support all Apes projects. Not any more I take it?

      Neil T.
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      Group: potadg Message: 59998 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      Awww shucks, and I have so many other things I could bring up... ;-)

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > OK Neil that's enough - it LOOKED way better! :-)
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 2:11 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > When they've taken over the compound, killed one human and locked the other
      > one in a cell why do they then leave via the roof? Wouldn't it have been
      > easier and quicker to just walk out the front door?
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Oh well.
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 59999 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html
        They're APES. That's what they do, climb shit.

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:11 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      When they've taken over the compound, killed one human and locked the other one in a cell why do they then leave via the roof? Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to just walk out the front door?

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      > Something Neil and I were
      discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > the compound? So how
      many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > apes get so
      intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh well.

      <.html
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60000 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      .html
        I've heard reports of apes learning sign language and then they get shoved aside to some cage and they still sign years later. Maybe that's what they were thinking.

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:14 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?

       

      But he's already way too intelligent, doesn't make sense.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > Maurice is the Virgil of this story.
      Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
      > Maybe Paul
      Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      >
      >
      > From:
      munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > To:
      href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      >
      >
      >
      > I hope they do. I'd
      love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > The DVD commentary will explain
      all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      >

      <.html
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60001 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      Well yes, dumb stupid apes do.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > They're APES. That's what they do, climb shit.
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:11 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > When they've taken over the compound, killed one human and locked the other one in a cell why do they then leave via the roof? Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to just walk out the front door?
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Oh well.
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60002 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      I bet they couldn't carry on such an intelligent conversation like old Mo' does with Caesar though.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > I've heard reports of apes learning sign language and then they get shoved aside to some cage and they still sign years later. Maybe that's what they were thinking.
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:14 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      >
      >
      >
      > But he's already way too intelligent, doesn't make sense.
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Maurice is the Virgil of this story. Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
      > > Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      > >
      > >
      > > From: munkeyman63au
      > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      > >
      > > Neil T.
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60003 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      .html
        Maybe they do among apes. They might not want to with lousy human bastards.

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:34 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?

       

      I bet they couldn't carry on such an intelligent conversation like old Mo' does with Caesar though.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > I've heard reports of apes learning
      sign language and then they get shoved aside to some cage and they still sign years later. Maybe that's what they were thinking.
      >
      >
      >
      From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:14 PM
      > To:
      PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      >
      >
      >
      > But he's already way
      too intelligent, doesn't make sense.
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      >
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Maurice is the Virgil
      of this story. Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
      > > Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      > >
      > >
      > > From: munkeyman63au
      > > Sent: Friday,
      August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > > To:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      > >
      > > Neil T.
      > >
      > > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > The DVD commentary
      will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      > >
      >

      <.html
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60004 From: cjh5801 Date: 8/12/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      I think something was cut here in the final edit. There were three canisters in the fridge, IIRC, and Caesar used two of them at the primate center. I think maybe a scene was cut where he used the third one at the zoo. Remember that just before Caesar and the other apes showed up at the zoo to free the 20 or so caged apes, the docent lady was urging the group of people to take photos because the zoo apes didn't usually act the way they were acting. They may have been acting oddly because Caesar had given them a shot of the gas the night before, as he was returning to the primate center after taking the canisters from Will's fridge.

      - Clark



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > It's going to happen Neil! They already have Caesar talking now so I guess
      > that can be explained by his exposure to the gas.
      >
      >
      >
      > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh well.
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > Neil Moxham
      > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was
      > that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same
      > apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and
      > unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes,
      > etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge
      > advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.
      >
      > On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the
      > next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them
      > as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the
      > way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil T.
      > Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      > clothes.
      > > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Neil T. Foster
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > > consideration!
      > > >
      > > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > > should
      > > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Michael
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60005 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
      .html
      Well they wouldn't need the wonder drug then if they are already that intelligent.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > Maybe they do among apes. They might not want to with lousy human bastards.
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:34 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      >
      >
      >
      > I bet they couldn't carry on such an intelligent conversation like old Mo' does with Caesar though.
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > I've heard reports of apes learning sign language and then they get shoved aside to some cage and they still sign years later. Maybe that's what they were thinking.
      > >
      > >
      > > From: munkeyman63au
      > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:14 PM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > But he's already way too intelligent, doesn't make sense.
      > >
      > > Neil T.
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Maurice is the Virgil of this story. Who knows everything about everything? The screenwriters.
      > > > Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > From: munkeyman63au
      > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and "Battle"?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      > > >
      > > > Neil T.
      > > >
      > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and say, "Of course!".
      > > >
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60006 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      .html
        Yeah, I think that movie was cut to hell. It'll be interesting to see what transpires on the DVD.
       
       

      From: cjh5801
      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:53 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      I think something was cut here in the final edit. There were three canisters in the fridge, IIRC, and Caesar used two of them at the primate center. I think maybe a scene was cut where he used the third one at the zoo. Remember that just before Caesar and the other apes showed up at the zoo to free the 20 or so caged apes, the docent lady was urging the group of people to take photos because the zoo apes didn't usually act the way they were acting. They may have been acting oddly because Caesar had given them a shot of the gas the night before, as he was returning to the primate center after taking the canisters from Will's fridge.

      - Clark

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > It's going to happen Neil!
      They already have Caesar talking now so I guess
      > that can be explained by
      his exposure to the gas.
      >
      >
      >
      > Something Neil and I
      were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > the compound? So
      how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > apes get so
      intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      >
      >
      >
      > Oh well.
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Neil Moxham
      > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      >
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My
      concern, one of my concerns, was
      > that Caesar masters speach too quickly.
      If we see a sequel with all the same
      > apes talking after just a few
      years, then you're back to 'Battle' and
      > unrealistic (by POTA standards)
      jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes,
      > etc, should evolve to where
      Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge
      > advances in ten years or so,
      then just don't change anything for 2000 years.
      >
      > On a fairly
      unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the
      > next
      movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them
      >
      as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the
      > way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.
      >
      > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil T.
      > Foster"
      <ntfoster@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Okay, here's a quick sketch I
      did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      > clothes.
      > > I reckon the
      new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Neil T. Foster
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > Michael"
      <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Dunno - depends how
      silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > >
      consideration!
      > > >
      > > > Did anyone think the red
      shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > > should
      > > >
      have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Michael
      > >
      >

      <.html
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60007 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      Yes it will be interesting to find out why it was so badly cut in places. I wonder if a lot of it may have to do with the CGI not being up to scratch?

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > Yeah, I think that movie was cut to hell. It'll be interesting to see what transpires on the DVD.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > From: cjh5801
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:53 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > I think something was cut here in the final edit. There were three canisters in the fridge, IIRC, and Caesar used two of them at the primate center. I think maybe a scene was cut where he used the third one at the zoo. Remember that just before Caesar and the other apes showed up at the zoo to free the 20 or so caged apes, the docent lady was urging the group of people to take photos because the zoo apes didn't usually act the way they were acting. They may have been acting oddly because Caesar had given them a shot of the gas the night before, as he was returning to the primate center after taking the canisters from Will's fridge.
      >
      > - Clark
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > It's going to happen Neil! They already have Caesar talking now so I guess
      > > that can be explained by his exposure to the gas.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Oh well.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > _____
      > >
      > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > > Neil Moxham
      > > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was
      > > that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same
      > > apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and
      > > unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes,
      > > etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge
      > > advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.
      > >
      > > On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the
      > > next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them
      > > as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the
      > > way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil T.
      > > Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      > > clothes.
      > > > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Neil T. Foster
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > > > consideration!
      > > > >
      > > > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > > > should
      > > > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Michael
      > > >
      > >
      >
      <.html
      Group: potadg Message: 60008 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
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        There's been some good CG in the trailers that was cut, like Caesar cradling Cornelia. And there was some CG not up to scratch that made it into the film, so I don't think that was the reason. I get the feeling Fox was kind of nervous about this movie, keeping a low profile, not really marketing it much. Since it's not a typical summer action movie and has stuff that might be considered depressing to the "Transformers" crowd. Maybe they wanted to streamline it and make it go down easier? It seems shorter than it has to be.

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:51 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes

       

      Yes it will be interesting to find out why it was so badly cut in places. I wonder if a lot of it may have to do with the CGI not being up to scratch?

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > Yeah, I think that movie was cut to
      hell. It'll be interesting to see what transpires on the DVD.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > From: cjh5801
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011
      9:53 PM
      > To:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > I think something was cut here in the final edit. There were
      three canisters in the fridge, IIRC, and Caesar used two of them at the primate center. I think maybe a scene was cut where he used the third one at the zoo. Remember that just before Caesar and the other apes showed up at the zoo to free the 20 or so caged apes, the docent lady was urging the group of people to take photos because the zoo apes didn't usually act the way they were acting. They may have been acting oddly because Caesar had given them a shot of the gas the night before, as he was returning to the primate center after taking the canisters from Will's fridge.
      >
      > - Clark
      >
      > --- In
      PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > It's going to
      happen Neil! They already have Caesar talking now so I guess
      > > that
      can be explained by his exposure to the gas.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many
      apes were in
      > > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO
      and how did the ZOO
      > > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out
      of the gas by then...
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Oh
      well.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > _____
      > >
      > >
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > > Neil Moxham
      > > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011
      12:53 AM
      > > To:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > >
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > It actually works
      pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was
      > > that
      Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same
      > > apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle'
      and
      > > unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their
      speech, clothes,
      > > etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them,
      otherwise they make huge
      > > advances in ten years or so, then just
      don't change anything for 2000 years.
      > >
      > > On a fairly
      unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the
      > >
      next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them
      > > as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A
      bit like the
      > > way humans evolved into mutant and primitive
      species.
      > >
      > > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil T.
      > > Foster"
      <ntfoster@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Okay, here's a
      quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      > >
      clothes.
      > > > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old
      stuff.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Neil T. Foster
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ---
      In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > > Michael"
      <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Dunno -
      depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > > >
      consideration!
      > > > >
      > > > > Did anyone think
      the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > > >
      should
      > > > > have been GREEN but that's what I
      thought..
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Michael
      > > >
      > >
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 60009 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      .html
      I think I have found where another big part has been cut out. The morning after the apes use their newfound intelligence to escape from the facility by taking the most difficult route they seem to have cut out the bit where Franco and Pinto climb up onto the roof and let themselves into the still locked facility. ;-)

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > Yeah, I think that movie was cut to hell. It'll be interesting to see what transpires on the DVD.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > From: cjh5801
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:53 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      >
      >
      >
      > I think something was cut here in the final edit. There were three canisters in the fridge, IIRC, and Caesar used two of them at the primate center. I think maybe a scene was cut where he used the third one at the zoo. Remember that just before Caesar and the other apes showed up at the zoo to free the 20 or so caged apes, the docent lady was urging the group of people to take photos because the zoo apes didn't usually act the way they were acting. They may have been acting oddly because Caesar had given them a shot of the gas the night before, as he was returning to the primate center after taking the canisters from Will's fridge.
      >
      > - Clark
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > It's going to happen Neil! They already have Caesar talking now so I guess
      > > that can be explained by his exposure to the gas.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Something Neil and I were discussing last night is - how many apes were in
      > > the compound? So how many must have been at the ZOO and how did the ZOO
      > > apes get so intelligent so quickly? He was out of the gas by then...
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Oh well.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > _____
      > >
      > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > > Neil Moxham
      > > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 12:53 AM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: CLOTHES of the Planet of the Apes
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > It actually works pretty well. Nice job! My concern, one of my concerns, was
      > > that Caesar masters speach too quickly. If we see a sequel with all the same
      > > apes talking after just a few years, then you're back to 'Battle' and
      > > unrealistic (by POTA standards) jumps in evolution. Their speech, clothes,
      > > etc, should evolve to where Taylor finds them, otherwise they make huge
      > > advances in ten years or so, then just don't change anything for 2000 years.
      > >
      > > On a fairly unrelated topic, I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the
      > > next movie had the advanced apes looking down on primitive apes, using them
      > > as soldiers, labourers, etc, and not seeing the hypocrisy. A bit like the
      > > way humans evolved into mutant and primitive species.
      > >
      > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neil T.
      > > Foster" <ntfoster@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Okay, here's a quick sketch I did of Caesar in the 'classic' chimp
      > > clothes.
      > > > I reckon the new apes would look all right in the old stuff.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Neil T. Foster
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
      > > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Dunno - depends how silly these apes look with clothes is my main
      > > > > consideration!
      > > > >
      > > > > Did anyone think the red shirt was a tribute to CONQUEST? I know it
      > > > should
      > > > > have been GREEN but that's what I thought..
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Michael
      > > >
      > >
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 60010 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and
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      Me too, but they are revered and studied and have films made and books written about them.

       

      They are not cast away.

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
      Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 2:25 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and " Battle "?

       

       

        I've heard reports of apes learning sign language and then they get shoved aside to some cage and they still sign years later. Maybe that's what they were thinking.

       

      Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:14 PM

      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in "Conquest" and " Battle "?

       

       

      But he's already way too intelligent, doesn't make sense.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > Maurice is the Virgil of this story. Who knows everything about
      everything? The screenwriters.
      > Maybe Paul Williams can do Maurice's voice for the sequel?
      >
      >
      > From: munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:54 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: How did the apes get so intelligent and speak in
      "Conquest" and " Battle "?
      >
      >
      >
      > I hope they do. I'd love to find out how Maurice the orangutan could have
      an intelligent conversation in sign language with the already enhanced Caesar. We're meant to believe that he's smart enough to do that because he was a circus ape!?!
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
      "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
      > >
      > > The DVD commentary will explain all and we'll smack our heads and
      say, "Of course!".
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 60011 From: renegade_37115 Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Help find please
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      Hi, I have some pics from an artist that did some fantastic color drawing of Taylor with beard, Caesar, Zauis and a Mutant. I thought I found those here but cant remember. Can anyone point me the way to those pics, I'm looking for additional ones including Ursus. Thanks in advance.
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      Group: potadg Message: 60012 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: "Rise" of Week 2 box office
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        "Rise" kicked off the weekend with $ 8 million and will probably win the 3 days, though "The Help" looks like it will breathe down it's neck the whole time. Estimates have "risen" from $ 23 - 25 million to $ 26 m. or more. It's doing better than Fox's other prequel "X-Men" did at this point. I'm hoping word of mouth will carry farther in the long run but so far "X-Men: First Class" looks to be the role model. Of course, neither had the benefit of 3D prices that some of the other summer blockbusters had.
       
       
       On the foreign front, "Rise" made $ 43 million through Thursday (8/11).
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 60013 From: Roy Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a min
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      So after this movie's success do you think this movie could spawan not only sequels but also spinoffs such as a miniseries or a TV show? What do you think?
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      Group: potadg Message: 60014 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a
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      I think it will.

       

      It hasn’t LOST any money and looks like it will make quite a bit.

       

      It isn’t a complete turd like Burton ’s effort so yes I can see at least a sequel.

       

      Michael

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
      Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a miniseries etc?

       

       

      So after this movie's success do you think this movie could spawan not only sequels but also spinoffs such as a miniseries or a TV show? What do you think?

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      Group: potadg Message: 60015 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
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      Date:   Sunday August 14, 2011
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday Lou!
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      Group: potadg Message: 60016 From: Roy Date: 8/13/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such as a
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > I think it will.
      >
      >
      >
      > It hasn't LOST any money and looks like it will make quite a bit.
      >
      >
      >
      > It isn't a complete turd like Burton's effort so yes I can see at least a
      > sequel.
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > Roy
      > Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:00 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such
      > as a miniseries etc?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > So after this movie's success do you think this movie could spawan not only
      > sequels but also spinoffs such as a miniseries or a TV show? What do you
      > think?
      >
      That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
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      Group: potadg Message: 60017 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...






      In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      cyberpunk@... writes:


      > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.

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      Group: potadg Message: 60018 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:
      >
      > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > cyberpunk@... writes:
      >
      >
      > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
      >
      > </HTML>
      >
      Why not? The original movie did spawn a TV series. Why would there be no interest for a miniseries after the success of this movie?
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      Group: potadg Message: 60019 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      .html
        I think the CG would be too expensive to do as a TV thing. If the sequels were popular enough maybe they would do an animated something or other for TV. But there's no way really to say. Even sequels aren't guaranteed yet.

      Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:29 PM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

       

      I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...

      In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      cyberpunk@... writes:

      > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is
      clear that it
      > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn
      spinoffs such as
      > miniseries or TV series like it's
      predecessors.

      </HTML>

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      Group: potadg Message: 60020 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      > I think the CG would be too expensive to do as a TV thing. If the sequels were popular enough maybe they would do an animated something or other for TV. But there's no way really to say. Even sequels aren't guaranteed yet.
      >
      >
      > From: mlccougar@...
      > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:29 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      >
      >
      >
      > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
      >
      > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > cyberpunk@... writes:
      >
      > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
      >
      > </HTML>
      >

      Then you should really check out TV shows like Dark Skies that uses CG creatures extensively. And a miniseries would be quite doable. And a big screen sequel is almost guaranteed at this point.
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      Group: potadg Message: 60021 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      .html

      Dark Skies is a TV Show from the 90s.

       

      I think you mean FALLING SKIES.

       

      There’s some aliens in it that are CGI.  But it sure as shit isn’t ALL CGI or even half, or even CLOSE!  There’s a bunch of humans in it and they carry 90 – 95% of the story line.

       

      Whereas a POTA TV Show would have to use an enormous amount of CGI for the apes so we have the age old problem of it being too expensive (unless we go with cheap Galen make-up and not too many apes – AGAIN!).

       

      Plus the TV Show was a flop!

       

      Michael

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
      Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 4:28 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

       

       



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      > I think the CG would be too expensive to do as a TV thing. If the sequels
      were popular enough maybe they would do an animated something or other for TV. But there's no way really to say. Even sequels aren't guaranteed yet.
      >
      >
      > From: mlccougar@...
      > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:29 PM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but
      spinoffs such a...
      >
      >
      >
      > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big
      screen...
      >
      > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > cyberpunk@... writes:
      >
      > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear
      that it
      > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such
      as
      > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
      >
      > </HTML>
      >

      Then you should really check out TV shows like Dark Skies that uses CG creatures extensively. And a miniseries would be quite doable. And a big screen sequel is almost guaranteed at this point.

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      Group: potadg Message: 60022 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      In America.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > Plus the TV Show was a flop!
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
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      Group: potadg Message: 60023 From: Sally & Michael Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      .html

      Overall.

       

      Michael N.  J

       

      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011 7:39 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

       

       

      In America .

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > Plus the TV Show was a flop!
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 60024 From: munkeyman63au Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
      .html
      Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
      >
      > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
      >

      >
      > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > cyberpunk@... writes:
      >
      >
      > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
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      Group: potadg Message: 60025 From: Graham Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Help find please
      .html


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "renegade_37115" <keaneau2@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi, I have some pics from an artist that did some fantastic color drawing of Taylor with beard, Caesar, Zauis and a Mutant. I thought I found those here but cant remember. Can anyone point me the way to those pics, I'm looking for additional ones including Ursus. Thanks in advance.
      >

      It's not my series of trading cards your talking about is it ? (though I don't thing I've shown any paints of mutants anywhere)

      http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Apes-trading-card-173848063?q=gallery%3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=26

      http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Trading-cards-173847636?q=gallery%3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=28

      The set is over on hunter's site...

      https://pota.goatley.com/cards/graham/

      Best,G

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      Group: potadg Message: 60026 From: brady Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Help find please
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      No but those are quite awesome.....I don't know how to post a pic in a message or I'd post one...but thanks for the try and your contribution to Apedom!!
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      Group: potadg Message: 60027 From: renegade_37115 Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Help find please
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      No but those are quite awesome.....I don't know how to post a pic in a message or I'd post one...but thanks for the try and your contribution to Apedom!!

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <shop@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "renegade_37115" <keaneau2@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi, I have some pics from an artist that did some fantastic color
      > drawing of Taylor with beard, Caesar, Zauis and a Mutant. I thought I
      > found those here but cant remember. Can anyone point me the way to those
      > pics, I'm looking for additional ones including Ursus. Thanks in
      > advance.
      > >
      >
      >
      > It's not my series of trading cards your talking about is it ? (though I
      > don't thing I've shown any paints of mutants anywhere)
      >
      > http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Apes-trading-card-173848063?q=gal\
      > lery%3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=26
      > <http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Apes-trading-card-173848063?q=ga\
      > llery%3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=26>
      >
      > http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Trading-cards-173847636?q=gallery\
      > %3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=28
      > <http://hill19652000.deviantart.com/art/Trading-cards-173847636?q=galler\
      > y%3Ahill19652000/26085292&qo=28>
      >
      > The set is over on hunter's site...
      >
      > https://pota.goatley.com/cards/graham/
      > <https://pota.goatley.com/cards/graham/>
      >
      > Best,G
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 60028 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
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        "Rise" made an estimated $ 27 million domestic this weekend, though it ain't over until it's over. That's more than the expected $ 23 - 25 mil.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 60029 From: Roy Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
      > >
      > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
      > >
      >
      > >
      > > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > > cyberpunk@ writes:
      > >
      > >
      > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
      >
      Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.
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      Group: potadg Message: 60030 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
      Subject: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
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        Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 60031 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/14/2011
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        I don't see them doing anything for TV while the movies are hot. Nor would I want to see something on TV that dilutes "Apes" any further. If they can do a good series of features that's enough for me.

      From: Roy
      Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:12 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

       



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      >
      > Unless they do an animated series,
      which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)
      >
      > Neil
      T.
      >
      > --- In
      href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
      > >
      > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn
      will be on the big screen...
      > >
      >
      > >
      > >
      In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
      > >
      cyberpunk@ writes:
      > >
      > >
      > > > That wasn't
      exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
      > > >
      will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
      > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
      >
      Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.


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