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Group: potadg	Message: 60032	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60033	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60034	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60035	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60036	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60037	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60038	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60039	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60040	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60041	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60042	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60043	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60044	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60045	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60046	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60047	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60048	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60049	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60050	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60051	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60052	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60053	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60054	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60055	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60056	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60057	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60058	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60059	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60060	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60061	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60062	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60063	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60064	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60065	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60066	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60067	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60068	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60069	From: knightangel314	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60070	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60071	From: knightangel314	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60072	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60073	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

Group: potadg	Message: 60074	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60075	From: Blam	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60076	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60077	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Group: potadg	Message: 60078	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60079	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60080	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60081	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60082	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60083	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60084	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60085	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

Group: potadg	Message: 60086	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60087	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60088	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

Group: potadg	Message: 60089	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60090	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60091	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

Group: potadg	Message: 60092	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60093	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Will this apes group appreciate music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60094	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60095	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60096	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60097	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60098	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60099	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60100	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60101	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60102	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60103	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60104	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60105	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60106	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

Group: potadg	Message: 60107	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60108	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60109	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60110	From: Blam	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Group: potadg	Message: 60111	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60112	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: "Rise" of the soundtrack of the apes

Group: potadg	Message: 60113	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60114	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Group: potadg	Message: 60115	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

Group: potadg	Message: 60116	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60117	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape but as a person?

Group: potadg	Message: 60118	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

Group: potadg	Message: 60119	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60120	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape but as a per

Group: potadg	Message: 60121	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60122	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

Group: potadg	Message: 60123	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60124	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60125	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60126	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60127	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Group: potadg	Message: 60128	From: j.gicquel@btinternet.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

Group: potadg	Message: 60129	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: "Rise" Academy screening "well received"

Group: potadg	Message: 60130	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

Group: potadg	Message: 60131	From: Dario	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

Group: potadg	Message: 60032	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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As I recall in the original POTA the apes had virtually no appreciation of arts and music, their cities and dwellings were extremely austere. But in this one as they take over our civilization decimated by the plague it is a whole new ballgame not too mention that unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super smart as in smarter than humans. That said do you think they will have a deeper appreciation for the arts and music? I hope they do. As it could also play a factor into their enslavement of humans. Some would be used for just that task. :D

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Group: potadg	Message: 60033	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** Is that why they have a museum (which more than likely holds more than
only stuffed specimens... Remember it has that weird "birdclaw" sculpture as
a centerpiece too...) They also have those wallhangings and statues & busts
of The Lawgiver among other odd pieces... I think more of them appreciate
"art" than is believed, but it's "their" art and subject to their standards
of beauty and quality... ***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> As I recall in the original POTA the apes had virtually no appreciation
> of arts and music,

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Group: potadg	Message: 60034	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** Is that why they have a museum (which more than likely holds more than
> only stuffed specimens... Remember it has that weird "birdclaw" sculpture as
> a centerpiece too...) They also have those wallhangings and statues & busts
> of The Lawgiver among other odd pieces... I think more of them appreciate
> "art" than is believed, but it's "their" art and subject to their standards
> of beauty and quality... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > As I recall in the original POTA the apes had virtually no appreciation
> > of arts and music,
>
> </HTML>
>

That "museum" was quite austere to tell you the truth but my question remains anyway. Will this apes have a finer and deeper appreciation of arts than their original counterparts? I recall that in the movie Caesar could draw pretty well and do 3D puzzles such as the one he was completing of the statue of liberty. And we never saw music from the Apes in the original either I hope in this one as they learn from our civilization they adopt music as well. Again it could be used as a plot vehicle for another one more reason to enslave humans so they could sing or dance for the apes entertainment.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60035	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** I forgot to add that Barlow from the TV series has definite
appreciation for these type of things (I know he's not from the film but he's the same
type of ape)... And if you want to go even further into it, in the semi-TV
canonical POWER Records story "Battle of Two Worlds" the Prefect Landa is an
artist (painter)... ***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> As I recall in the original POTA the apes had virtually no appreciation
> of arts and music,

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Group: potadg	Message: 60036	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are smarter
than humans?

In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
> smart as in smarter than humans.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60037	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are smarter
> than humans?
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
> > smart as in smarter than humans.
>
> </HTML>
>

Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human being.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60038	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** Again, not from the original film but the TV series: In the episode
"The Horserace", there is that "troubador" ape wandering thru the village
strumming some sort of stringed instrument... And in "The Gladiators, rolling
drums can be heard (though it's not shown if it's ape or human playing them)...
***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 3:52:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> And we never saw music from the Apes in the original either

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Group: potadg	Message: 60039	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** Again? I haven't seen it one time yet... ***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 4:01:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> Watch the film again!

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Group: potadg	Message: 60040	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** Again? I haven't seen it one time yet... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 4:01:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > Watch the film again!
>
> </HTML>
>

My bad I did not want it to spoil it for you... :(

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Group: potadg	Message: 60041	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!

But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:17 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284

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Group: potadg	Message: 60042	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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I can accept the flaws of the originals as they were made in a totally different era under totally different circumstances. I bet none of the original sequels had the benefit of a couple of years developing the story. They were rushed out quickly and cheaply unlike Rise. With the new film they had the time and the opportunity to make a film that should not have so many balls-ups in it.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60043	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Are they? Apart from Caesar I didn't get the impression that they were smarter than humans at all.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
> not too mention that unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super smart as in smarter than humans.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60044	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Plus there's some sort of tapestry being made on a frame in Cornelius and Zira's house in Beneath as well as art hanging on the walls. I also recall there being plenty of wall hangings, sculptures and arty stuff in one of the prefect's dwellings in the TV show as well as in other TV show dwellings.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Is that why they have a museum (which more than likely holds more than
> only stuffed specimens... Remember it has that weird "birdclaw" sculpture as
> a centerpiece too...) They also have those wallhangings and statues & busts
> of The Lawgiver among other odd pieces... I think more of them appreciate
> "art" than is believed, but it's "their" art and subject to their standards
> of beauty and quality... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > As I recall in the original POTA the apes had virtually no appreciation
> > of arts and music,
>
> </HTML>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60045	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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Yep, and there are so many, many more.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60046	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!
>
>
>
> But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it
> INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:17 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve
> into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is
> a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
>
>
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284
> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284>
> &p=1#186989284
>
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> =60030/stime=1313349396>
>

It is true it does have plotholes. So does Avatar and just about every big film that exists

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Group: potadg	Message: 60047	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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Yes and I thought Avatar was a load of rubbish as well personally. Just because many films have plot holes it doesn't excuse Rise for having so many things wrong with it. Like I said in an earlier post they had the time and resources to get it right but they failed on so many levels.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!
> >
> >
> >
> > But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it
> > INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> > Jeff K.
> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:17 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve
> > into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is
> > a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284>
> > &p=1#186989284
> >
> >
> > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
> > =60030/stime=1313349396>
> >
>
>
> It is true it does have plotholes. So does Avatar and just about every big film that exists
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60048	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Are they? Apart from Caesar I didn't get the impression that they were smarter than humans at all.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> > not too mention that unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super smart as in smarter than humans.
>

Caesar and all the apes were given the same exact gene therapy drug so there is no reason for the rest of the apes to be dumber than Caesar. The only difference is that Caesar is more experienced and knowledgeable.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60049	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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No Caesar inherited it's effects from his mother.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
> Caesar and all the apes were given the same exact gene therapy drug so there is no reason for the rest of the apes to be dumber than Caesar. The only difference is that Caesar is more experienced and knowledgeable.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60050	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> No Caesar inherited it's effects from his mother.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > Caesar and all the apes were given the same exact gene therapy drug so there is no reason for the rest of the apes to be dumber than Caesar. The only difference is that Caesar is more experienced and knowledgeable.
> >
>

Yes and No Actually! He did inhale the 113 formula when he dosed the other apes at the sanctuary and probably at the zoo as well. (in the movie he picks up 3 canisters and yet only uses 2 at the Sanctuary.)

And Koba started writing down Jacobs name right out of the bat after being dosed so that again is proof that they are indeed super smart.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60051	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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The hint you get that Caesar did unleash a canister at the Zoo, was the comment the zookeeper made prior to the apes breaking free.

"Get your cameras ready, they're usually not this outgoing." or something to that effect.

I only wish they had showed Caesar at the zoo. Coz for some movie goers, unfortunately you have to draw them a map. lol

From: Roy <cyberpunk@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> No Caesar inherited it's effects from his mother.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > Caesar and all the apes were given the same exact gene therapy drug so there is no reason for the rest of the apes to be dumber than Caesar. The only difference is that Caesar is more experienced and knowledgeable.
> >
>
Yes and No Actually! He did inhale the 113 formula when he dosed the other apes at the sanctuary and probably at the zoo as well. (in the movie he picks up 3 canisters and yet only uses 2 at the Sanctuary.)

And Koba started writing down Jacobs name right out of the bat after being dosed so that again is proof that they are indeed super smart.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60052	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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There is no evidence or even suggestion that he gassed the apes at the zoo. As to what happened to the 3rd canister who knows, just more sloppy writing or terrible cutting by the look of it.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
> He did inhale the 113 formula when he dosed the other apes at the sanctuary and probably at the zoo as well. (in the movie he picks up 3 canisters and yet only uses 2 at the Sanctuary.)

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Group: potadg	Message: 60053	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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The apes that broke free from the zoo were ripping the fence apart to use them as speers.

That along with what the zookeeper said was enough to convince me of what Caesar did.

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

There is no evidence or even suggestion that he gassed the apes at the zoo. As to what happened to the 3rd canister who knows, just more sloppy writing or terrible cutting by the look of it.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
> He did inhale the 113 formula when he dosed the other apes at the sanctuary and probably at the zoo as well. (in the movie he picks up 3 canisters and yet only uses 2 at the Sanctuary.)

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Group: potadg	Message: 60054	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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She says "Get your cameras ready, they're usually quite shy". And the apes getting uppity in the cage didn't seem to me to be because they had been made smarter by the drug but because as most wild animals do they were responding to a bunch of rapidly approaching other animals. If they were already smart how come they hadn't made their own way out of the enclosure already?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The hintÂ you get that Caesar did unleash a canister at the Zoo, was the commentÂ the zookeeper made prior to the apes breaking free.
> "Get your cameras ready, they're usually notÂ this outgoing." or something to that effect.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60055	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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They were waiting for Moses.

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:19 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The hintÂ you get that Caesar did unleash a canister at the Zoo, was the commentÂ the zookeeper made prior to the apes breaking free.
> "Get your cameras ready, they're usually notÂ this outgoing." or something to that effect.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60056	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> There is no evidence or even suggestion that he gassed the apes at the zoo. As to what happened to the 3rd canister who knows, just more sloppy writing or terrible cutting by the look of it.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > He did inhale the 113 formula when he dosed the other apes at the sanctuary and probably at the zoo as well. (in the movie he picks up 3 canisters and yet only uses 2 at the Sanctuary.)
>

How else do you explain the fact that they were behaving so oddly as for the zookeeper to mention it, not too mention the fact that they turned parts of their own cage fence into spears. I guess we will have to wait for the Blue Ray release with the deleted scenes to see what we missed which I'm sure is a lot. I think that had this movie's footage being released in it's entirety it would have been a 4 hours long feature.

But anyway we are moving away from the thread's OP. The question was would this super smart hybrid apes be able to appreciate art and music in a far deeper way than their original counterparts could and I think the answer is YES.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60057	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Well as long as it's not the writers and makers of Rise drawing the map. If it was there would be so many holes and bits missing you would never be able to use it. ;-)
There's no need to 'draw me a map' as I'm sure I've got as much imagination as the next person but that doesn't mean I should have to fill in their blanks and correct their glaring mistakes in my own mind because they fail to do it properly in the movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
> Coz for some movie goers, unfortunatelyÂ you have to draw them a map. lol

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Group: potadg	Message: 60058	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Sorry but if you watch it again you will see that the apes that grab the fencing to use as spears are the ones jumping onto it from the outside. The still dumb zoo apes clamber over the fence and exit stage right empty handed.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The apes that broke free from the zoo were rippingÂ the fence apart to use them as speers.
> That along with what the zookeeper said was enough to convince me of what Caesar did.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60059	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.

But in any case, that's the impression I got from that whole zoo scene.

As for the apes not breaking out on their own, my guess is, when you go from dumb to smart you don't first think, how do we break free?

It's more like, what the hell is going on?

Luckaly for the apes that were with Caesar, they had direction. They had Casaer.

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:31 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
> Coz for some movie goers, unfortunatelyÂ you have to draw them a map. lol

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Group: potadg	Message: 60060	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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What the hell do you got? A bootleg copy?! lol

Now that strange for someone that didn't like it!

Stranger than Caesar visiting the zoo! lol

Just messing with you, Neil. :o)

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The apes that broke free from the zoo were rippingÂ the fence apart to use them as speers.
> That along with what the zookeeper said was enough to convince me of what Caesar did.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60061	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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The only trouble I have with it (along with many other parts of the film)is that many people, such as yourself Alex, have convinced themselves that something has happened that we have no proof of. It's just sloppy from the storytellers in my opinion.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60062	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Not that I endorse the practice or anything but I'm sure if you look hard enough on the 'net there are copies available to download already. ;-)

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> What the hell do you got? A bootleg copy?! lol
> Now that strange for someone that didn't like it!
> Â
> Stranger than Caesar visiting the zoo! lol
> Just messing with you, Neil. :o)

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Group: potadg	Message: 60063	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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That's cool, Neil.

All I can say is, I loved it. I enjoyed it.

To each his own, man. I respect your opinion. :o)

Now stop watching that bootleg copy. Your ganna burn a hole in it. ;o)

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:48 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60064	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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I'm genuinely happy that you and plenty of other fans love it so much Al, it is 'Apes' after all! And what would a discussion group be without differing opinions, not much fun!

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> That's cool, Neil.
> All I can say is, I loved it. I enjoyed it.
> To each his own, man. I respect your opinion. :o)
> Â
> Now stop watching that bootleg copy. Your ganna burn a hole in it. ;o)
> Â
> Al

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Group: potadg	Message: 60065	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> The only trouble I have with it (along with many other parts of the film)is that many people, such as yourself Alex, have convinced themselves that something has happened that we have no proof of. It's just sloppy from the storytellers in my opinion.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.
>

OK so the movie is not perfect! Neither was the original at all anyway. And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?

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Group: potadg	Message: 60066	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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I think we'll just have to see what happens if they make a sequel(s) though after the seeing this movie I don't think art and music is something they are likely to give much thought to.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
> But anyway we are moving away from the thread's OP. The question was would this super smart hybrid apes be able to appreciate art and music in a far deeper way than their original counterparts could and I think the answer is YES.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60067	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60068	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> >
>

I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.

And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60069	From: knightangel314	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Yeah, I ran into at least one already. It looks like you can't stop people from doing cell phone tapings, no matter how hard you try...personally, I'd like to see some kind of technology to make it come out fuzzy or screw up the recording, but they'd just find a way around it. *sigh*

Mel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Not that I endorse the practice or anything but I'm sure if you look hard enough on the 'net there are copies available to download already. ;-)
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > What the hell do you got? A bootleg copy?! lol
> > Now that strange for someone that didn't like it!
> > Â
> > Stranger than Caesar visiting the zoo! lol
> > Just messing with you, Neil. :o)
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60070	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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It was intelligent, it just had plotholes like most movies do.

From: Sally & Michael

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:43 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!

But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?

Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284

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Group: potadg	Message: 60071	From: knightangel314	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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That's my opinion as well.

Mel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> It was intelligent, it just had plotholes like most movies do.
>
>
> From: Sally & Michael
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:43 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!
>
>
>
> But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:17 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.
>
>
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60072	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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*** Not an issue... I've read a lot about it on these boards and in reviews
so I think I have a rough idea of what'll be like anyway... ***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 4:07:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
cyberpunk@... writes:

> My bad I did not want it to spoil it for you... :(

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Group: potadg	Message: 60073	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

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I say the good far outweighs whatever bad is in the movie. It's a miracle this movie got made and the world at large is going Ape right now.

Now they've got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy, so let's see what turns up on the DVD as far as deleted scenes and commentaries.

From: Alex Ruiz

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:53 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

That's cool, Neil.

All I can say is, I loved it. I enjoyed it.

To each his own, man. I respect your opinion. :o)

Now stop watching that bootleg copy. Your ganna burn a hole in it. ;o)

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:48 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

>
> I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I

didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60074	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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What? If you make a claim back it up!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are smarter
> than humans?
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
> > smart as in smarter than humans.
>
> </HTML>
>

Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human being.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60075	From: Blam	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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Hey Mel!

Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if you can, post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these first two, the more likely there will be a 3-6!
Drew

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, I hadn't read these posts yet...I'm anxious for the rest of the set. This first one was great.
>
> Mel
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@> wrote:
> >
> > Each novel can be enjoyed on it's own - in fact, each story I've done can be enjoyed on it's own even if this is your first introduction to planet of the apes.
> >
> > This is something I am pretty adamant about in story crafting- It really bothers me that we have things like an 'ultimate' universe - Where the company throws everything out and reinvent it because they want to pull in new readers. They started this because writers say that there is too much continuity and it bogs them down. Then, you see them creating new things like say, " an alien race that the X-men in this universe have known for years but you never saw them before. The back story is important that they were friends before this." Well, why not just use the SHi'ar? New readers will simply accept that the X-men will have known these guys for a while, and fans will be happy to see something that THEY know the back story to. A diverse universe with a rich tapestry to draw upon is a great thing to start with.
> >
> > So it's important to me that long time fans and new ones are entertained as well. If you read all six, you will become aware of a bigger picture I have created for you - but each one has an arc for the main characters of that book that completes and then introduces the next "level", hooking you for the next book.
> >
> > Hope that made sense, I am getting down from my soapbox now!
> > Drew G.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I figured you (understandably) couldn't say too much, but another question
> > > regarding your stories: Will they all have an "end" to them or will they be
> > > left open-ended so the reader would have to read the next book (or the
> > > previous one) to get the complete jist of what's going on? In other words will
> > > each book be a stand-alone novel that can be seen as a part of a larger story
> > > arc (or read on it's own not feeling like a cliffhanger)?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/19/2011 2:57:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > blamventurer@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > It can be thought of as two trilogies:
> > > >
> > > > TRILOGY ONE: The Origin Arc
> > > > BOOK 1 - during the original film to between it and beneath
> > > > BOOK 2 - between the original and beneath to during beneath
> > > > BOOK 3 - Between beneath and escape
> > > >
> > > > TRILOGY TWO: The Altered Timeline Arc
> > > > BOOK 4 - dealing with the television series, during conquest, and between
> > > > conquest and battle (revolution times).
> > > > BOOK 5 - dealing with the animated series, during conquest, and between
> > > > conquest and battle (revolution times).
> > > > BOOK 6 - dealing with post battle, Caesar's end times.
> > > >
> > > > Can not and will not elaborate...
> > > > Drew G.
> > > >
> > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure you don't want to give too much away (and maybe you can't
> > > > anyway)
> > > > > but if all six of them are completed, will they all take place on the
> > > > future
> > > > > Earth of PLANET/BENEATH or will the other novels do some "time travel"
> > > > and
> > > > > take place in other times (like between ECAPE and CONQUEST, or CONQUEST
> > > > and
> > > > > BATTLE, etc.)?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 6/17/2011 6:17:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > blamventurer@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In total, I have a six novel arc planned, as of now only the first two
> > > > > > books are confirmed.
> > > > > > Drew G.
> > > >
> > >
> > > </HTML>
> > >
> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60076	From: Roy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> What? If you make a claim back it up!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are smarter
> > than humans?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > cyberpunk@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
> > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>
> Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> abilities exceed that of a human being.
>

The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60077	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

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“He is intelligent, he’s just mentally retarded!” J

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 1:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG]

>SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

It was intelligent, it just had plotholes like most movies do.

From: Sally & Michael

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:43 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] >SPOILER< plotholes in "Rise"

Yeah I know. Somehow I enjoyed it anyway, too!

But I do agree it could have been so much better and for people to call it INTELLIGENT!?!?!?!?

Here's the imdb thread of logic gaps in "Rise" for those who want to delve into them. Of course the originals have their share too. The POTA concept is a hard one to finesse, especially the origin.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/board/thread/186989284&p=1#186989284

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Group: potadg	Message: 60078	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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WHERE in the film?

WHAT in the film?

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 2:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> What? If you make a claim back it up!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are

smarter

> > than humans?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > cyberpunk@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are

super

> > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>
> Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> abilities exceed that of a human being.
>

The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60079	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> WHERE in the film?
>
>
>
> WHAT in the film?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 2:48 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > What? If you make a claim back it up!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Roy
> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are smarter
> > > than humans?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
> > > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> > >
> > > </HTML>
> > >
> >
> > Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> > abilities exceed that of a human being.
> >
>
> The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities
> exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be
> shown.
>

Are you serious? Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he was just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a days old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that this is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it that is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60080	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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*** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far... I'd
recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...

That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better the chances
will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that mean that
book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***

In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
blamventurer@... writes:

> Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if you can,
> post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these first two, the
> more likely there will be a 3-6

</HTML>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60081	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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So it can hold a bottle? WOW! I surrender to his superior intellect!!!! Gee I bet he sucks the milk down better too!!! That makes him SUPER intelligent and it makes this a REALLY intelligent movie!

So other than being able to hold a bottle himself how is it obvious throughout the movie that “the apes in this reboot are super smart as in smarter than humans.”?

Is it that giant leap the gorilla takes?

Is it the lack of mercy where the chimp (is he a Bobobo?) murders Jacobs?

Is it Maurice doing the sign language?

You have shown evidence that when Caesar was very small he could hold his own bottle. He was clever enough to steal a knife (no more clever than other humans) and escape (see “Escape from Alcatraz ” for a more intelligent escape!).

You are refusing to answer because there is little evidence that the apes are smarter than humans. Maurice even signs “Apes dumb” so what movie were you watching?

I think what you are TRYING to say (ie if you were not being incredibly silly) is that CAESAR is intelligent. There’s no evidence he’s smarter than humans, and there’s plenty of evidence the other apes are dumb until they use the gas and then they become smart – but not SMARTER.

So please continue to show evidence instead of shielding yourself with your own ignorance.

By the way – did anyone else in the group think the apes were SMARTER than humans and if so WHY?

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 3:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> WHERE in the film?
>
>
>
> WHAT in the film?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 2:48 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &

> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > What? If you make a claim back it up!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

> Of
> > Roy
> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and

music?

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are

smarter

> > > than humans?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot

are super

> > > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> > >
> > > </HTML>
> > >
> >
> > Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's

cognitive

> > abilities exceed that of a human being.
> >
>
> The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive

abilities

> exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to

> shown.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60082	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Well it obviously doesn't because I can't think of anything he did that was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a human?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
> The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60083	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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If the apes were so super smart wouldn't they all be talking at the end like Caesar?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> So it can hold a bottle? WOW! I surrender to his superior intellect!!!!
> Gee I bet he sucks the milk down better too!!! That makes him SUPER
> intelligent and it makes this a REALLY intelligent movie!
>
>
>
> So other than being able to hold a bottle himself how is it obvious
> throughout the movie that "the apes in this reboot are super smart as in
> smarter than humans."?
>
>
>
> Is it that giant leap the gorilla takes?
>
>
>
> Is it the lack of mercy where the chimp (is he a Bobobo?) murders Jacobs?
>
> Is it Maurice doing the sign language?
>
>
>
> You have shown evidence that when Caesar was very small he could hold his
> own bottle. He was clever enough to steal a knife (no more clever than
> other humans) and escape (see "Escape from Alcatraz" for a more intelligent
> escape!).
>
>
>
> You are refusing to answer because there is little evidence that the apes
> are smarter than humans. Maurice even signs "Apes dumb" so what movie were
> you watching?
>
>
>
> I think what you are TRYING to say (ie if you were not being incredibly
> silly) is that CAESAR is intelligent. There's no evidence he's smarter than
> humans, and there's plenty of evidence the other apes are dumb until they
> use the gas and then they become smart - but not SMARTER.
>
>
>
> So please continue to show evidence instead of shielding yourself with your
> own ignorance.
>
>
>
> By the way - did anyone else in the group think the apes were SMARTER than
> humans and if so WHY?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 3:17 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > WHERE in the film?
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT in the film?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > Roy
> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 2:48 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What? If you make a claim back it up!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Roy
> > > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > > mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film are
> smarter
> > > > than humans?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super
>
> > > > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> > > >
> > > > </HTML>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> > > abilities exceed that of a human being.
> > >
> >
> > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> abilities
> > exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to
> be
> > shown.
> >
>
> Are you serious? Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown that
> Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he was
> just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a days
> old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that this
> is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it that
> is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60084	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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Still waiting for mine to arrive, wish it would hurry up as it seems to be getting nothing but positive reactions so far.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far... I'd
> recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...
>
> That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better the chances
> will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that mean that
> book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> blamventurer@... writes:
>
>
> > Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if you can,
> > post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these first two, the
> > more likely there will be a 3-6
>
> </HTML>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60085	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

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The TV industry in the States seems to be just as brutal now as it was in 1974, maybe even more so. Unless it would be a sure-fire and economical hit, it would get canned half way through it's run, again.

A TV series wouldn't have to use the characters from the movie, of course, but there wouldn't be much of a story without some apes in it. Maybe they could pick up the old TV series were it left off? :O

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
> > > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
> > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
> >
> Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60086	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Dude they are SMARTER than humans – they’re TELEPATHIC!!!! Whhhooooooaaaaa!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

If the apes were so super smart wouldn't they all be talking at the end like Caesar?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> So it can hold a bottle? WOW! I surrender to his superior intellect!!!!
> Gee I bet he sucks the milk down better too!!! That makes him SUPER
> intelligent and it makes this a REALLY intelligent movie!
>
>
>
> So other than being able to hold a bottle himself how is it obvious
> throughout the movie that "the apes in this reboot are super smart as

> smarter than humans."?
>
>
>
> Is it that giant leap the gorilla takes?
>
>
>
> Is it the lack of mercy where the chimp (is he a Bobobo?) murders Jacobs?
>
> Is it Maurice doing the sign language?
>
>
>
> You have shown evidence that when Caesar was very small he could hold his
> own bottle. He was clever enough to steal a knife (no more clever than
> other humans) and escape (see "Escape from Alcatraz "

for a more intelligent

> escape!).
>
>
>
> You are refusing to answer because there is little evidence that the apes
> are smarter than humans. Maurice even signs "Apes dumb" so what

movie were

> you watching?
>
>
>
> I think what you are TRYING to say (ie if you were not being incredibly
> silly) is that CAESAR is intelligent. There's no evidence he's smarter

than

> humans, and there's plenty of evidence the other apes are dumb until they
> use the gas and then they become smart - but not SMARTER.
>
>
>
> So please continue to show evidence instead of shielding yourself with

your

> own ignorance.
>
>
>
> By the way - did anyone else in the group think the apes were SMARTER than
> humans and if so WHY?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 3:17 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &

> Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > WHERE in the film?
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT in the film?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

> Of
> > Roy
> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 2:48 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and

music?

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &
> > Michael" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What? If you make a claim back it up!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Roy
> > > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and

music?

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > > mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the new film

are

> smarter
> > > > than humans?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight

Time,

> > > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > unlike their original counterparts the apes in this

reboot are super

>
> > > > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> > > >
> > > > </HTML>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Watch the film again! It is made crystal clear that Caesar's

cognitive

> > > abilities exceed that of a human being.
> > >
> >
> > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> abilities
> > exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that

needs to

> be
> > shown.
> >
>
> Are you serious? Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown

that

> Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he

was

> just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a

days

> old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that

this

> is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it

that

> is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60087	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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I’m getting mine from BORDERS.COM.AU

How bout you Neil?

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:47 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

Still waiting for mine to arrive, wish it would hurry up as it seems to be getting nothing but positive reactions so far.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far... I'd
> recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...
>
> That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better the chances
> will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that mean that
> book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> blamventurer@... writes:
>
>
> > Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if you

can,

> > post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these first

two, the

> > more likely there will be a 3-6
>
> </HTML>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60088	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

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Cheeky bugger!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 6:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,

"munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:

> >
> > Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now

that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)

> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,

mlccougar@ wrote:

> > >
> > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the

big screen...

> > >
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is

clear that it

> > > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn

spinoffs such as

> > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
> >
> Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is

still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60089	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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No he can’t!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

> The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive

abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60090	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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To be fair, that troubador, if I remember rightly, is just strumming the same note over and over, like either he doesn't know how to play it or that's as far as the apes appreciation of music goes. Apart from the few example mentioned, the 'classic' apes are more interested in artifacts and archeology than art, the giant claw thing could have been a fossil dug up by Cornelius, for example. And Barlow is fascinated by old human artifacts but then points to a painting of himself and says to Galen something along the lines of "isn't it remarkable? A human made it for me."

http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/File:Barlow_picture.jpg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Again, not from the original film but the TV series: In the episode
> "The Horserace", there is that "troubador" ape wandering thru the village
> strumming some sort of stringed instrument... And in "The Gladiators, rolling
> drums can be heard (though it's not shown if it's ape or human playing them)...
> ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 3:52:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
> cyberpunk@... writes:
>
>
> > And we never saw music from the Apes in the original either
>
> </HTML>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60091	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

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We're all counting on the DVD to restore the cut scenes - is that very likely for the first DVD release (genuine question)? What if they're sketching out a sequel and some cut scenes (Cornelia's death, Franco's death) don't fit with the continuity they're planning?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I say the good far outweighs whatever bad is in the movie. It's a miracle this movie got made and the world at large is going Ape right now.
> Now they've got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy, so let's see what turns up on the DVD as far as deleted scenes and commentaries.
>
>
> From: Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:53 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
> That's cool, Neil.
> All I can say is, I loved it. I enjoyed it.
> To each his own, man. I respect your opinion. :o)
>
> Now stop watching that bootleg copy. Your ganna burn a hole in it. ;o)
>
> Al
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:48 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
> The only trouble I have with it (along with many other parts of the film)is that many people, such as yourself Alex, have convinced themselves that something has happened that we have no proof of. It's just sloppy from the storytellers in my opinion.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't talking about you, Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60092	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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For your original question, I think you'd have to look to Caesar's example. There was obviously a lot of piano playing in the house where he grew up(!), but he doesn't show any obvious interest in music. On the other hand, Koba starts doodling shapes as soon as he becomes intelligent, and Caesar draws that window shape as some sort of personal symbol a few times in the movie, so he's probably into art.

Actually, the penny just dropped - that 'Caesar: Rise of the Apes' red and black logo that was leaked about a year ago had that same symbol on it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> > >
> >
> I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.
>
> And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60093	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Will this apes group appreciate music?

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On a slightly related topic, I've been playing around with some of the apes novelty records, radio spots, etc, for a CD-length mp3 download. I know there was a plan to do this properly a few years ago and some folks here were involved (Cougar?). I've been in touch with Chris, who was co-ordinating that, and he seems okay with me doing this, but I'll happily put it off/alter it if anyone wants me to.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60094	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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What about that symbol?

You do know what that symbol was, right?

That symbol was the design of his bedroom window. That's why he drew it on the wall of his cell.

PLEASE TELL ME EVERYONE GOT THAT. PLEASE!!! LOL

From: Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> > >
> >
> I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.
>
> And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60095	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Yeah, that's why I said "that window shape"! ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> What about that symbol?
> You do know what that symbol was, right?
> Â
> That symbol was the design of his bedroom window. That's why he drew it on the wall of his cell.
> PLEASE TELL ME EVERYONE GOT THAT. PLEASE!!! LOL
> Â
> Al
>
> From: Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:36 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
> Â
> For your original question, I think you'd have to look to Caesar's example. There was obviously a lot of piano playing in the house where he grew up(!), but he doesn't show any obvious interest in music. On the other hand, Koba starts doodling shapes as soon as he becomes intelligent, and Caesar draws that window shape as some sort of personal symbol a few times in the movie, so he's probably into art.
>
> Actually, the penny just dropped - that 'Caesar: Rise of the Apes' red and black logo that was leaked about a year ago had that same symbol on it.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > > >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> > > >
> > >
> > I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.
> >
> > And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.
> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60096	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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It's true he could pick up the bottle very young, but I think that, and wanting to play with the older kids next door, was more about him maturing much quicker than expected. I'm told a chimp will reach adulthood by about 8, so if he was already intelligent AND maturing at the rate of a normal chimp, he would be remarkably smart - for his age. So at 7 or whatever age he is at the end, he's super smart compared to a 7-year old human, but not smarter than Will, for example. Wise though, because of his experiences.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are you serious? Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he was just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a days old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that this is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it that is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60097	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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I preordered mine from Amazon.ca and got back an estimate that it would
ship Aug 24-31 here in Canada. Ironically in order to qualify for free
shipping I also ordered DVDs and I got those only 2 days after ordering.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:45 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE
PLANET OF THE APES ...

> I'm getting mine from BORDERS.COM.AU
>
>
>
> How bout you Neil?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:47 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE
> PLANET OF THE
> APES ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Still waiting for mine to arrive, wish it would hurry up as it
> seems to be
> getting nothing but positive reactions so far.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far...
> I'd
> > recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...
> >
> > That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better
> the chances
>
> > will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that
> mean that
> > book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > blamventurer@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if
> you can,
> > > post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these
> first two,
> the
> > > more likely there will be a 3-6
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>
>
>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60098	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Cool. :o)

From: Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:04 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Yeah, that's why I said "that window shape"! ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> What about that symbol?
> You do know what that symbol was, right?
> Â
> That symbol was the design of his bedroom window. That's why he drew it on the wall of his cell.
> PLEASE TELL ME EVERYONE GOT THAT. PLEASE!!! LOL
> Â
> Al
>
> From: Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:36 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
> Â
> For your original question, I think you'd have to look to Caesar's example. There was obviously a lot of piano playing in the house where he grew up(!), but he doesn't show any obvious interest in music. On the other hand, Koba starts doodling shapes as soon as he becomes intelligent, and Caesar draws that window shape as some sort of personal symbol a few times in the movie, so he's probably into art.
>
> Actually, the penny just dropped - that 'Caesar: Rise of the Apes' red and black logo that was leaked about a year ago had that same symbol on it.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > > >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> > > >
> > >
> > I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.
> >
> > And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.
> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60099	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Agreed

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 10:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

>
>
>
> Are you serious? Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown

that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he was just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a days old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that this is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it that is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60100	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

>
> For your original question, I think you'd have to look to Caesar's example. There was obviously a lot of piano playing in the house where he grew up(!), but he doesn't show any obvious interest in music. On the other hand, Koba starts doodling shapes as soon as he becomes intelligent, and Caesar draws that window shape as some sort of personal symbol a few times in the movie, so he's probably into art.
>
> Actually, the penny just dropped - that 'Caesar: Rise of the Apes' red and black logo that was leaked about a year ago had that same symbol on it.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about that Roy but that tends to happen sometimes in this group as we are just a bunch of fans who like to chat away about Apes. There are other Yahoo! POTA groups that are much stricter and don't allow members to stray off topic and shove their rules down your throat but we find that kind of restrictive for the most part.
> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > > >And again we have moved completely out of the thread's OP can we please get back to it?
> > > >
> > >
> > I did not meant to be restrictive I was simply pointing out that the thread had strayed from it's OP.
> >
> > And yes I know the Apes franchise has never centered on arts and music anyway that was not my question although Rupert Wiatt did say he intends for the apes to begin moving into our cities and discovering our culture etc. That includes art and music, There is so much that can be explored in this reboot.
> >
>

I think the reason for that is that the movie centered more on Caesar questioning who and what he was and his position in the world around him and not that he did not appreciate music. I hope that the sequels explore this a whole lot more as well as Spinoffs such as a miniseries which I don't doubt could happen despite the skepticism on this board.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60101	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Well it obviously doesn't because I can't think of anything he did that was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a human?
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.
> >
>

He could navigate the city from the Sanctuary to his house and even the zoo without the need for either a map or GPS that alone shows he had a photographic memory that allowed him to remember all landmarks along the way to each destination. And mind you he never drove or walked to those destinations before.

But the most important evidence comes from the dialogue in which Will states that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed those of a human counterpart it doesn't matter if the movie doesn't show him writing the next Shakespeare piece.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60102	From: Sally & Michael	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Ever heard of a homing pigeon? Or a dog who can find its way home? I think these are more like plot holes anyway!

And yes his cognitive abilities at some stages do exceed a same aged human I agree, however at no stage is he Stephen Hawking!

And no, the film does not make it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. Only that some things do at some stages.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 11:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Well it obviously doesn't because I can't think of anything he did that

was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a human?

>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,

" Roy " <cyberpunk@> wrote:

> > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive

abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.

> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60103	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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I think there was a scene with some street musicians in Burton's movie aswell. It was one of the better scenes, showing the diverse and colourful and chaotic ape city. But I think I remember a bit in the original novel too, something about our human hero listening to an ape orchestra and finding it a very strange atonal kind of music with it's own unique rhythm - I like that idea, that they have their own take on what constitutes music. (I might be thinking of one of the unused movie scripts, maybe someone could clear that up?)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think the reason for that is that the movie centered more on Caesar questioning who and what he was and his position in the world around him and not that he did not appreciate music. I hope that the sequels explore this a whole lot more as well as Spinoffs such as a miniseries which I don't doubt could happen despite the skepticism on this board.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60104	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Now that all the evidence is in, I think we have a pretty strong case against Fox in court.

False Advertisement in their TV Trailers! Apes are not smarter than Humans in the Film!

Now who here is crazy enough to hire a lawyer over this? lol

From: Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

Ever heard of a homing pigeon? Or a dog who can find its way home? I think these are more like plot holes anyway!

And yes his cognitive abilities at some stages do exceed a same aged human I agree, however at no stage is he Stephen Hawking!

And no, the film does not make it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. Only that some things do at some stages.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> Well it obviously doesn't because I can't think of anything he did that was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a human?
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , " Roy " <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.
> >
>

He could navigate the city from the Sanctuary to his house and even the zoo without the need for either a map or GPS that alone shows he had a photographic memory that allowed him to remember all landmarks along the way to each destination. And mind you he never drove or walked to those destinations before.

But the most important evidence comes from the dialogue in which Will states that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed those of a human counterpart it doesn't matter if the movie doesn't show him writing the next Shakespeare piece.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60105	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Some might think they were smarter because they were able to make a monkey out of the cops, etc. but I don't think they're even AS smart as humans yet if for no other reason they are just starting out and don't have thousands of years of smart experience. There is a line that Caesar is smarter than the human counterpart (also in the trailer) but I don't know who the human counterpart is (someone with Alzheimer's?).

From: Sally & Michael

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:18 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

So it can hold a bottle? WOW! I surrender to his superior intellect!!!! Gee I bet he sucks the milk down better too!!! That makes him SUPER intelligent and it makes this a REALLY intelligent movie!

So other than being able to hold a bottle himself how is it obvious throughout the movie that the apes in this reboot are super smart as in smarter than humans.?

Is it that giant leap the gorilla takes?

Is it the lack of mercy where the chimp (is he a Bobobo?) murders Jacobs?

Is it Maurice doing the sign language?

You have shown evidence that when Caesar was very small he could hold his own bottle. He was clever enough to steal a knife (no more clever than other humans) and escape (see Escape from Alcatraz for a more intelligent escape!).

You are refusing to answer because there is little evidence that the apes are smarter than humans. Maurice even signs Apes dumb so what movie were you watching?

I think what you are TRYING to say (ie if you were not being incredibly silly) is that CAESAR is intelligent. Theres no evidence hes smarter than humans, and theres plenty of evidence the other apes are dumb until they use the gas and then they become smart but not SMARTER.

So please continue to show evidence instead of shielding yourself with your own ignorance.

By the way did anyone else in the group think the apes were SMARTER than humans and if so WHY?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> WHERE in the

film?

>
>
>
> WHAT in the film?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011

2:48 PM

> To:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

>

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sally &

> Michael"

<smwhitty@> wrote:

> >
> > What? If you make a claim

back it up!

> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> [

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

> Of
> >

Roy

> > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 7:01

> > To:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will

this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>

>

<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> > mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *** What gives any indication that the apes in the

new film are smarter

> > > than humans?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message

dated 8/14/2011 2:33:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > > cyberpunk@

writes:

> > >
> > >
> > > > unlike

their original counterparts the apes in this reboot are super

> > > > smart as in smarter than humans.
> > >
> > >

</HTML>

> > >
> >
> > Watch the film again!

It is made crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive

> > abilities exceed

that of a human being.

> >
>
> The film makes it

absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities

> exceed that

of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be

>

shown.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60106	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

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They would probably still do it. Deleted scenes sometimes have commentary from the director of why they were cut. Personally, if it's a deleted scene I don't consider it part of the movie unless the director puts it back in. So if there's a deleted scene that contradicts the sequel I would take the sequel's word for it.

From: Neil Moxham

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:15 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will these hybrid apes appreciate "Rise"?

>
> I say the good far outweighs whatever

bad is in the movie. It's a miracle this movie got made and the world at large is going Ape right now.

> Now they've got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy, so

let's see what turns up on the DVD as far as deleted scenes and commentaries.

>
>
> From: Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Sunday,

August 14, 2011 7:53 PM

> To:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

>

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

>
>
>
>
> That's cool, Neil.
>

All I can say is, I loved it. I enjoyed it.

> To each his own, man. I

respect your opinion. :o)

>
> Now stop watching that bootleg copy.

Your ganna burn a hole in it. ;o)

>
> Al
>
>
>

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>

> To:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Sent:

Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:48 PM

> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid

apes appreciate arts and music?

>
>
>
> The only

trouble I have with it (along with many other parts of the film)is that many people, such as yourself Alex, have convinced themselves that something has happened that we have no proof of. It's just sloppy from the storytellers in my opinion.

>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:

> >
> > I wasn't talking about you,

Neil. I didn't even know you have trouble with that scene to be honest.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60107	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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Yeah the first few years, apes raised in homes (like Nim) outpace the human child of the same age. Plus apes are stronger so Caesar could pick up a bottle a human baby couldn't.

From: Neil Moxham

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:10 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

>
>
>
> Are you serious?

Did you even watch it? From the very onset it is shown that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human counterpart. when he was just days old he picked up a milk bottle and drank from it, let's see a days old human baby do that... Oh wait it can't. Will himself explains that this is so as well. I'm surprised that you missed it if you even watched it that is. I have the tingling sensation that you are trolling now.

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60108	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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I guess apes do have photographic memories in a way. They can remember a sequence of numbers better than we can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAH4ZJBiN8

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:44 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Well it obviously doesn't because I

can't think of anything he did that was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a human?

>
> Neil T.
>
> ---

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:

> > The film makes it absolutely crystal

clear that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that needs to be shown.

> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60109	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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Wow that's taking forever!! When I ordered mine, it came a few days before I left for Comicon.

Jess.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Dario Sciola < darios@...> wrote:

I preordered mine from Amazon.ca and got back an estimate that it would
ship Aug 24-31 here in Canada. Ironically in order to qualify for free
shipping I also ordered DVDs and I got those only 2 days after ordering.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Sally & Michael <smwhitty@...>
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:45 am
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE
PLANET OF THE APES ...

> I'm getting mine from BORDERS.COM.AU
>
>
>
> How bout you Neil?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 5:47 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE
> PLANET OF THE
> APES ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Still waiting for mine to arrive, wish it would hurry up as it
> seems to be
> getting nothing but positive reactions so far.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto: PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,

> mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far...
> I'd
> > recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...
> >
> > That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better
> the chances
>
> > will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that
> mean that
> > book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > blamventurer@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if
> you can,
> > > post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these
> first two,
> the
> > > more likely there will be a 3-6
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>
>
>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60110	From: Blam	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: TAKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...

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BOOK 2 is CONFIRMED for FALL of 2012 RELEASE- I am working on it right now! FOX has stated the combined sales of the books 1 and 2 will determine if 3-6 have a future!
Drew

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I picked the book up and have liked what I've read so far... I'd
> recommend it to anyone on here who hasn't bought it yet...
>
> That said, you mentioned if the first two sell well the better the chances
> will be for books three thru six to come to fruition: Does that mean that
> book two is almost a guaranteed release? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> blamventurer@... writes:
>
>
> > Thank you! Please get your friends to pick up the book, and if you can,
> > post a review on amazon.com - the more sales we make of these first two, the
> > more likely there will be a 3-6
>
> </HTML>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60111	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm

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Group: potadg	Message: 60112	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: "Rise" of the soundtrack of the apes

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Patrick Doyle's score for "Rise of the POTA" hits tomorrow. Here's the review from my fave movie music site:

http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/rise_planet_apes.html"

And here's my fave tracks:

# 8 (reminds me of Goldsmith's "The Hunt"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOgZbhRGi1c

# 12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TYcgVMUzU

#13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPfrj6RR9PA

#16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRF5tZP1a4

#18: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvvIdAJJYDY

#24: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vnMz5-8nw4

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Group: potadg	Message: 60113	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Sally & Michael" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Ever heard of a homing pigeon? Or a dog who can find its way home? I think
> these are more like plot holes anyway!
>
>
>
> And yes his cognitive abilities at some stages do exceed a same aged human I
> agree, however at no stage is he Stephen Hawking!
>
>
>
> And no, the film does not make it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's
> cognitive abilities exceed that of a human. Only that some things do at
> some stages.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Roy
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 11:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> >
> > Well it obviously doesn't because I can't think of anything he did that
> was superior to what a human could do that wasn't physical. Can you please
> give some examples where Caesar's cognitive abilities EXCEED that of a
> human?
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Roy"
> <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > > The film makes it absolutely crystal clear that Caesar's cognitive
> abilities exceed that of a human. I don't see what more evidence than that
> needs to be shown.
> > >
> >
>
> He could navigate the city from the Sanctuary to his house and even the zoo
> without the need for either a map or GPS that alone shows he had a
> photographic memory that allowed him to remember all landmarks along the way
> to each destination. And mind you he never drove or walked to those
> destinations before.
>
> But the most important evidence comes from the dialogue in which Will states
> that Caesar's cognitive abilities exceed those of a human counterpart it
> doesn't matter if the movie doesn't show him writing the next Shakespeare
> piece.
>

There is a difference between being Smart and being Intelligent you know. Hawkins is a great physicist and mathematician but I doubt he could strategize a combat plan out of the blue

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Group: potadg	Message: 60114	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Will this hybrid apes appreciate arts and music?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

>
> I think there was a scene with some street musicians in Burton's movie aswell. It was one of the better scenes, showing the diverse and colourful and chaotic ape city. But I think I remember a bit in the original novel too, something about our human hero listening to an ape orchestra and finding it a very strange atonal kind of music with it's own unique rhythm - I like that idea, that they have their own take on what constitutes music. (I might be thinking of one of the unused movie scripts, maybe someone could clear that up?)
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the reason for that is that the movie centered more on Caesar questioning who and what he was and his position in the world around him and not that he did not appreciate music. I hope that the sequels explore this a whole lot more as well as Spinoffs such as a miniseries which I don't doubt could happen despite the skepticism on this board.
> >
>

Wow the author of the novel was truly ahead of his time is too bad there was such limited knowledge on the great apes at the time but his novel and movie inspired people to learn more about them in the end.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60115	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

>
> The TV industry in the States seems to be just as brutal now as it was in 1974, maybe even more so. Unless it would be a sure-fire and economical hit, it would get canned half way through it's run, again.
>
> A TV series wouldn't have to use the characters from the movie, of course, but there wouldn't be much of a story without some apes in it. Maybe they could pick up the old TV series were it left off? :O
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)
> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
> > > > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
> > > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
> > >
> > Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.
> >
>

Not if they limit themselves to a short season 12 or 13 episodes only per season like they did with Falling Skies and NO there would be no reason to go back to the 70's show. It would have to be linked with the new Apes reboot think of New Battlestar Galactica with a Falling Skies type of season run. :D

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Group: potadg	Message: 60116	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm
>

Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's record?

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Group: potadg	Message: 60117	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape but as a person?

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So am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape or in his case a Super Smart hybrid ape but as a person? I sure hope not. Andy Serkis sure did a wonderful job bringing the character to life and WETA did an excellent job in allowing Apes to emote like never before. I mean as much as I admire Roddy Mcdowell in his portrayal of ape characters he simply could not emote through that rigid mask as much as he should have been able too, Hell even in Burton's remake with the upgraded makeup is still rigid and fixed. Tim Roth's character always looked angry even when he was happy. This is what sets this movie apart from all the others...

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Group: potadg	Message: 60118	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

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The new "Battlestar Galactica" rocked but I still think the apes would be too expensive for TV. It would have to be oriented to the humans with only occasional apes. Unless they went back to makeup. Mostly I'm not too crazy about sci-fi shows on TV.

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:49 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

>
> The TV industry in the States

seems to be just as brutal now as it was in 1974, maybe even more so. Unless it would be a sure-fire and economical hit, it would get canned half way through it's run, again.

>
> A TV series wouldn't have to use the

characters from the movie, of course, but there wouldn't be much of a story without some apes in it. Maybe they could pick up the old TV series were it left off? :O

>
>
> --- In

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:

> > >
> > >

Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)

> > >
> > > Neil T.
> > >
> > > --- In

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:

> > > >
> > > > I don't think it would...

Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...

> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message

dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > > >

cyberpunk@ writes:

> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear

that it

> > > > > will spawn sequels but the question was

will it spawn spinoffs such as

> > > > > miniseries or TV

series like it's predecessors.

> > >
> > Well I still think

that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.

> >
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60119	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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Probably not, that made $ 2 billion. That's a lot of bananas (as well as a lot of 3D - priced tickets).

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:51 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> The actuals are in and "Rise" made $

27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!

>
>

href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm

>

Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's record?

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Group: potadg	Message: 60120	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape but as a per

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No you're not and that's why it's so popular. Caesar's playing people's heartstrings like a symphony.

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:55 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Am I the only one who saw Caesar not just as an ape but as a person?

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Group: potadg	Message: 60121	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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2.8 billion if your taking notes but I'd give apes $500 million.

But that of course all depends on how long Fox is willing to keep it in theaters.

I say, keep as long as you need to greenlight a sequel then give PapaBear his BLURAY! lol

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

Probably not, that made $ 2 billion. That's a lot of bananas (as well as a lot of 3D - priced tickets).

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:51 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm
>
Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's record?

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Group: potadg	Message: 60122	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> The new "Battlestar Galactica" rocked but I still think the apes would be too expensive for TV. It would have to be oriented to the humans with only occasional apes. Unless they went back to makeup. Mostly I'm not too crazy about sci-fi shows on TV.
>
>
> From: Roy
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:49 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Should this movie not only spawn sequels but spinoffs such a...
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@> wrote:
> >
> > The TV industry in the States seems to be just as brutal now as it was in 1974, maybe even more so. Unless it would be a sure-fire and economical hit, it would get canned half way through it's run, again.
> >
> > A TV series wouldn't have to use the characters from the movie, of course, but there wouldn't be much of a story without some apes in it. Maybe they could pick up the old TV series were it left off? :O
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <cyberpunk@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Unless they do an animated series, which is possible. Especially now that it's popular as they are going to need something to sell the toys that will come out. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Neil T.
> > > >
> > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it would... Anything it may spawn will be on the big screen...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > cyberpunk@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > That wasn't exactly my question as given it's success it is clear that it
> > > > > > will spawn sequels but the question was will it spawn spinoffs such as
> > > > > > miniseries or TV series like it's predecessors.
> > > >
> > > Well I still think that a miniseries like Children of Dune or Tin Man is still possible for this reboot of the franchise at least. And mind you I liked the Apes TV show despite how cheesy it was. And who knows WETA could come up with a way to make their effects cheap enough for TV productions as well.
> > >
> >
>
> Not if they limit themselves to a short season 12 or 13 episodes only per season like they did with Falling Skies and NO there would be no reason to go back to the 70's show. It would have to be linked with the new Apes reboot think of New Battlestar Galactica with a Falling Skies type of season run. :D
>

More likely like in tbe 70's show they would focus on one ape character and perhaps one or 2 human characters that accompany the ape and have all kinds of adventures facing other apes, humans, mutants etc.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60123	From: Roy	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

>
> 2.8 billion if your taking notes but I'd give apes $500 million.
> But that of course all depends on how long Fox is willing to keep it in theaters.
> Â
> I say, keep as long as you need to greenlight a sequel then give PapaBear his BLURAY! lol
> Â
> Al
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date
>
>
> Â
> Â Probably not, that made $ 2 billion. That's a lot of bananas (as well as a lot of 3D - priced tickets).
>
>
> From: Roy
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date
> Â
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm
> >
> Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's record?
>

As I recall Avatar was kept in the theaters for a very long time they ought to do that with this movie as well.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60124	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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No, they had to yank "Avatar" to make way for Burton's "Alice in Wonderland" in 3D theaters. That's why "Alice" made $ 1 billion, because it was the recipient of the 3D fever "Avatar" spawned. That's why they had a big rerelease of "Avatar", which is rare these days. They "left money on the table", as Cameron said.

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:13 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

>
> 2.8 billion if your taking notes but

I'd give apes $500 million.

> But that of course all depends on how long

Fox is willing to keep it in theaters.

> Â
> I say, keep as

long as you need to greenlight a sequel then give PapaBear his BLURAY! lol

> Â
> Al
>
> From: Jeff K.

<veetus@...>

> To:

href="mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Sent:

Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 PM

> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180

million worldwide to date

>
>
> Â
> Â

Probably not, that made $ 2 billion. That's a lot of bananas (as well as a lot of 3D - priced tickets).

>
>
> From: Roy
> Sent:

Monday, August 15, 2011 7:51 PM

> To:

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

>

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

> Â
>
>
> --- In

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:

> >
> > The actuals are in and "Rise"

made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!

> >
> >

href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm

> >
> Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's

record?

>

As I recall Avatar was kept in the theaters for a very long time they ought to do that with this movie as well.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60125	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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Very interesting, Jeff! I did not know that re: Avatar. And Alice in Wonderland by Burton sucks rotten eggs as much as the regurgitation.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

No, they had to yank "Avatar" to make way for Burton's "Alice in Wonderland" in 3D theaters. That's why "Alice" made $ 1 billion, because it was the recipient of the 3D fever "Avatar" spawned. That's why they had a big rerelease of "Avatar", which is rare these days. They "left money on the table", as Cameron said.

From: Roy

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:13 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> 2.8 billion if your taking notes but I'd give apes $500 million.
> But that of course all depends on how long Fox is willing to keep it in theaters.
> Â
> I say, keep as long as you need to greenlight a sequel then give PapaBear his BLURAY! lol
> Â
> Al
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date
>
>
> Â
> Â Probably not, that made $ 2 billion. That's a lot of bananas (as well as a lot of 3D - priced tickets).
>
>
> From: Roy
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date
> Â
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend and $ 105 million total domestic through Sunday, plus $ 74 million total through Sunday elsewhere for a rounded off total of $ 180 million worldwide. Only $ 800 million plus change until it reaches $ 1 billion. The apes can do that blindfolded!
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes,htm
> >
> Wow 180 million already! Do you think they'll break Avatar's record?
>

As I recall Avatar was kept in the theaters for a very long time they ought to do that with this movie as well.

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Group: potadg	Message: 60126	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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I guess I underestimated this film... While it didn't do as well in its
second weekend, it kept its number 1 spot so my prediction was off...

In a message dated 8/16/2011 12:27:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend

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Group: potadg	Message: 60127	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

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It might be # 1 next weekend too. "Fright Night"? "Conan"? Seem like niche market films. "Rise" didn't set the box office on fire but I think it's one of those movies people will keep going to because of word of mouth and repeats. People genuinely love it. And there's no more big movies coming.

From: mlccougar@...

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:54 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise": $ 180 million worldwide to date

> The actuals are in and "Rise" made $ 27 million this weekend

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Group: potadg	Message: 60128	From: j.gicquel@btinternet.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

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Fnac in France are realeasing a nice boxset for the new film: Contains T shirt, photos, bonus DVD, THe original book

http://www.fnac.com/La-planete-des-singes-les-origines/cp10144/w-4

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Group: potadg	Message: 60129	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: "Rise" Academy screening "well received"

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The Motion Picture Academy (the Oscar people) had it's official screening of "Rise of the POTA" last Saturday for members (Oscar voters) and reportedly it was 70% full (pretty good) and "well-received". So another notch on the "Rise" Oscar nominee belt. The controversy over whether Andy Serkis should get an acting nomination continues. I think it would be cool if he were awarded a special Oscar for innovation as John Chambers was (many people feel WETA is already a lock for the FX Oscar).

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/woody-allen-brad-pitt-the-help-among-early-leading-oscar-contenders-can-they-hang-on/

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Group: potadg	Message: 60130	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

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That's quick! Looks really nice too. My French is a bit rusty, is that bonus DVD "the genesis of the film" or "the original film"?

Also, I'm looking out for the book that came with the North American version of the Blu Ray collection a few years ago. The discs are no use to me as they wouldn't play on a European player even if I had one, but is the book worth buying the whole set for, if thats the only way to get it?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "j.gicquel@..." <j.gicquel@...> wrote:
>
> Fnac in France are realeasing a nice boxset for the new film: Contains T shirt, photos, bonus DVD, THe original book
>
> http://www.fnac.com/La-planete-des-singes-les-origines/cp10144/w-4
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 60131	From: Dario	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fnac France is realeasing a nice boxset

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It just says 'genesis of the film'. But that could mean the DVD could still contain a lot of info about the original since the genesis of RotPotA Is of course rooted in PotA. I was curious about that myself.

Dario

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Neil Moxham <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

> That's quick! Looks really nice too. My French is a bit rusty, is that bonus DVD "the genesis of the film" or "the original film"?
>
> Also, I'm looking out for the book that came with the North American version of the Blu Ray collection a few years ago. The discs are no use to me as they wouldn't play on a European player even if I had one, but is the book worth buying the whole set for, if thats the only way to get it?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "j.gicquel@..." <j.gicquel@...> wrote:
>>
>> Fnac in France are realeasing a nice boxset for the new film: Contains T shirt, photos, bonus DVD, THe original book
>>
>> http://www.fnac.com/La-planete-des-singes-les-origines/cp10144/w-4
>>
>
>
>
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