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Group: potadg Message: 60932 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Serkis talks sequel
Group: potadg Message: 60933 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Science fiction and Oscar
Group: potadg Message: 60934 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Here Come The Brides
Group: potadg Message: 60935 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: Here Come The Brides
Group: potadg Message: 60936 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: Here Come The Brides
Group: potadg Message: 60937 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: POTA68 Oscar nominations
Group: potadg Message: 60938 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60939 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60940 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60941 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60942 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60943 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60944 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60945 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60946 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60947 From: Dario Sciola Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60948 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60949 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60950 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Serkis reaction
Group: potadg Message: 60951 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60952 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60953 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60954 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60955 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Serkis reaction
Group: potadg Message: 60956 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60957 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60958 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60959 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 60960 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60961 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60962 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60963 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60964 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: WETA's Daniel Barrett talks Oscar nomination
Group: potadg Message: 60965 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Serkis reaction
Group: potadg Message: 60966 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60967 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60968 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60969 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60970 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60971 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60972 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
Group: potadg Message: 60973 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60974 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60975 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60976 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: OT: Holy Moses!
Group: potadg Message: 60977 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 60978 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Digest Number 4760
Group: potadg Message: 60979 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Happy Australia Day!
Group: potadg Message: 60980 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 60981 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60982 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60983 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 60984 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4760
Group: potadg Message: 60985 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Australia Day!
Group: potadg Message: 60986 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Intelligent?
Group: potadg Message: 60987 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Australia Day!
Group: potadg Message: 60988 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Intelligent?
Group: potadg Message: 60989 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60990 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Australia Day!
Group: potadg Message: 60991 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60992 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Better....
Group: potadg Message: 60993 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60994 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60995 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60996 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 60997 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60998 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 60999 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Intelligent?
Group: potadg Message: 61000 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
Group: potadg Message: 61001 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61002 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61003 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61004 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61005 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61006 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61007 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61008 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61009 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61010 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61011 From: Dario Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
Group: potadg Message: 61012 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61013 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61014 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61015 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61016 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61017 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61018 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61019 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo Gooo
Group: potadg Message: 61020 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61021 From: knightangel314 Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61022 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61023 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61024 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61025 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Ken and Rosie
Group: potadg Message: 61026 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61027 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61028 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
Group: potadg Message: 61029 From: Neil T. Foster Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1
Group: potadg Message: 61030 From: Neil T. Foster Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #2
Group: potadg Message: 61031 From: Neil T. Foster Date: 1/27/2012
Subject: Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #3



Group: potadg Message: 60932 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/20/2012
Subject: Serkis talks sequel
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  Asked about the upcoming "Rise of the POTA" sequel, Andy Serkis said the script is "in it's infancy" but that "it will certainly have Caesar having to make decisions about managing his own kind and also the (human) survivors of the virus and making sure they co-exist. I believe that's where it is going".
  He adds that POTA "was never a film saying apes are good, humans are bad or apes are bad. It was always about the difficult gray areas of a species dominating a planet". That right there sounds like they get it.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 60933 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2012
Subject: Science fiction and Oscar
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  I thought it might be interesting to go through the Oscar lists and see how science fiction has been treated over the years. Maybe I'll do that before Nomination Time.
  Meanwhile, this is a good rundown of the highlights. No sci-fi movie has won Best Picture (some might be tempted to count "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" but that's fantasy). The complete list of sci-fi movies nominated for Best Picture are: "Clockwork Orange", "Star Wars", "E.T.", "Avatar", "District 9" and last year's "Inception" (so sci-fi has been gaining traction lately).
  It looks like the only major Oscar win for sci-fi is Don Ameche, Best Supporting Actor for "Cocoon" in 1985.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 60934 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Here Come The Brides
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Didn't realize Buck Kartalian was on Here Come The Brides. Julius and Urko on the same show. The old shows and movies had so many POTA actors in them
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Group: potadg Message: 60935 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: Here Come The Brides
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and now James Gregory on The Partridge Family.

Jeff B

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Jeff Barkley <skintricks62@...> wrote:
Didn't realize Buck Kartalian was on Here Come The Brides. Julius and Urko on the same show. The old shows and movies had so many POTA actors in them

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Group: potadg Message: 60936 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/22/2012
Subject: Re: Here Come The Brides
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Caught the end of Hang 'em High the other night and saw Mark Lenard's name in the credits. Never noticed he was in it all the times I'd watched it before.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Barkley <skintricks62@...> wrote:
>
> Didn't realize Buck Kartalian was on Here Come The Brides. Julius and Urko
> on the same show. The old shows and movies had so many POTA actors in them
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60937 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: POTA68 Oscar nominations
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: POTA68 Oscar nominations

  On this Oscar Nomination Eve, let's not forget that the original POTA had it's share of Oscar noms, and pretty weighty stuff for a sci-fi movie back then. It received noms for Best Costume Design and Best Score. Of course, John Chambers received an Oscar but that was an honorary one since there was no makeup category then. POTA didn't "win" any Oscars, so if "Rise" does (such as for Visual FX) it will be a POTA first.
  That was actually a pretty heady year for science fiction at the Oscars. "2001: A Space Odyssey" received nominations for Best Director, Best Script and Best Art Direction, and won for Best Visual FX. And Cliff Robertson actually won Best Actor for "Charly".
 
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Group: potadg Message: 60938 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd love
> to get a look....
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60939 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving your feedback – good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we’d really like to know if it was worthwhile.

 

Neil – do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing com[parisons?

 

Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60940 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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  I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard back.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving your feedback – good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and weÂ’d really like to know if it was worthwhile.

Neil – do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing com[parisons?

Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the
files section:-
>
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
>
t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@>
wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files
were up either...i'd love
> to get a
look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60941 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I approved the rejoin.

 

I have the same problem getting into the files.

 

That’s why I’m thinking the comparative posts…..?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

  I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard back.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving your feedback – good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we’d really like to know if it was worthwhile.

Neil – do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing com[parisons?

Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60942 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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  Anything so I don't have to deal with Yahoo.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

I approved the rejoin.

I have the same problem getting into the files.

ThatÂ’s why IÂ’m thinking the comparative postsÂ…..?


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

  I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard back.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving your feedback – good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and weÂ’d really like to know if it was worthwhile.

Neil – do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing com[parisons?

Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the
files section:-
>
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
>
t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@>
wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files
were up either...i'd love
> to get a
look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60943 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
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It's possible but I'm not going to be doing it. I'm not wasting more of my time, got better things to do. I was just warning people that the files will be taken down soon and this will be the last chance to see them.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing com[parisons?
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60944 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I don't see how it's a problem, you just click on the link to the Files section on the left of the Homepage and then the one for comics, etc. There was even a direct link to the folder in one of the previous posts.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I approved the rejoin.
>
>
>
> I have the same problem getting into the files.
>
>
>
> That's why I'm thinking the comparative posts...?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:20 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard back.
>
>
>
> From: Sal <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Mick
>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving
> your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and we'd really
> like to know if it was worthwhile.
>
> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a
> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing
> com[parisons?
>
> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing
> but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time
> and will soon be gone (for good this time).
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Hurrah!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > munkeyman63au
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
> >
> >
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> > t%20%27Redux%27/
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> > <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd love
> > to get a look....
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60945 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/23/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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My main problem is when I change my email address and forget a password…..

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 2:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

I don't see how it's a problem, you just click on the link to the Files section on the left of the Homepage and then the one for comics, etc. There was even a direct link to the folder in one of the previous posts.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> I approved the rejoin.
>
>
>
> I have the same problem getting into the files.
>
>
>
> That's why I'm thinking the comparative posts...?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:20 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard back.
>
>
>
> From: Sal <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Mick
>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and
giving
> your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and we'd really
> like to know if it was worthwhile.
>
> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a
> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing
> com[parisons?
>
> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing
> but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time
> and will soon be gone (for good this time).
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Hurrah!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > munkeyman63au
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
> >
> >
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> > t%20%27Redux%27/
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> > <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up
either...i'd love
> > to get a look....
> >
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60946 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
Subject: Goooo WETA!

  Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise" got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
  "So be it". - - - Ursus
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Group: potadg Message: 60947 From: Dario Sciola Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I was just able to download them without a problem. The exact path is:
Files > Comics > Beware The Beast 'Redux'

I'll try to print and read them tonight. Curious as to what and how
much has changed.

Dario

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:14:33 +0000, munkeyman63au wrote:
> I don't see how it's a problem, you just click on the link to the
> Files section on the left of the Homepage and then the one for
> comics,
> etc. There was even a direct link to the folder in one of the
> previous
> posts.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> I approved the rejoin.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have the same problem getting into the files.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's why I'm thinking the comparative posts...?
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Jeff K.
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:20 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't get to the files and tried to rejoin but I haven't heard
>> back.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sal <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Mick
>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:13 PM
>>
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking
>> and giving
>> your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and we'd
>> really
>> like to know if it was worthwhile.
>>
>> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent
>> in a
>> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing
>> com[parisons?
>>
>> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
>> Behalf Of
>> munkeyman63au
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:10 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>>
>>
>>
>> Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for
>> viewing
>> but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited
>> time
>> and will soon be gone (for good this time).
>>
>> Neil T.
>>
>> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> "Sal &
>> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hurrah!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
>> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>> On Behalf
>> Of
>> > munkeyman63au
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
>> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>> >
>> >
>>
>> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
>> > t%20%27Redux%27/
>> >
>> > Neil T.
>> >
>> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
>> > <apefan23@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up
>> either...i'd love
>> > to get a look....
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60948 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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The smart thing to do was to give Andy a nomination. And even if the academy isn't ready to give an Oscar for motion capture, at least the hype and the hoopla surrounding the nomination would have at least made the Oscars a bit more interesting to watch this year.
 
Now all of America and the world are headed for another boring ass Oscar night.
And believe me, it will be boring. Thank God for TIVO. Fast Forward to Best Visual Effects, please. lol
 
Al
 
 

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Goooo WETA!

 
 

From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
Subject: Goooo WETA!

  Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise" got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
  "So be it". - - - Ursus


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Group: potadg Message: 60949 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??
Really great stuff there guys!
Tim


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 
Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd love
> to get a look....
>



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Group: potadg Message: 60950 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Serkis reaction
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  Someone managed to snap a picture of Andy Serkis as he was learning the news this morning that he didn't get an Oscar nomination. He was with a simian friend at the time and they were getting ready to celebrate his "victory". Better luck next time, Andy.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 60951 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).

 

You should see changes…..

 

Michael

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??

Really great stuff there guys!

Tim

 


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>

 

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Group: potadg Message: 60952 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Seriously? You didn't notice the word and thought balloons, changed or rearranged art panels and some changed dialog to help the flow of the story from what were originally 3 page episodes?!?

I despair at times, I really do.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??
> Really great stuff there guys!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60953 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I think Tim’s looking at what he printed (ie the REDUX version) instead of comparing to the one on Hunter’s site………………

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 9:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Seriously? You didn't notice the word and thought balloons, changed or rearranged art panels and some changed dialog to help the flow of the story from what were originally 3 page episodes?!?

I despair at times, I really do.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it
to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??
> Really great stuff there guys!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60954 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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It's simple really, it didn't deserve (or get) a whole bunch of Oscar nominations because it's not very good.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Goooo WETA!
>
>
> Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise" got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
> "So be it". - - - Ursus
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60955 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Serkis reaction
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Good picture, shows how the CG artists have completely changed the expression on his face. Mouth, eyes especially look totally different when compared side by side. The closest thing is the slightly raised eyebrow. So who's performance was it?

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Someone managed to snap a picture of Andy Serkis as he was learning the news this morning that he didn't get an Oscar nomination. He was with a simian friend at the time and they were getting ready to celebrate his "victory". Better luck next time, Andy.
>
> http://www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com/weta_gallery/album/slides/weta15.html"
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60956 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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The smart thing to do would have been to make a smart movie in the first place, they had the time and the resources but they didn't they made a dumb one with massive plot holes and crap editing etc. etc.
No surprise to me that it's not getting huge Oscar recognition. I know standards have dropped in the modern era but come on, it is no where near being an Oscar winning movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The smart thing to do was to give Andy a nomination. And even if the academy isn't ready to give an Oscar for motion capture, at least the hype and the hoopla surrounding the nomination would have at least made the Oscars a bit more interesting to watch this year.
> Â
> Now all of America and the world are headed for another boring ass Oscar night.
> And believe me, it will be boring. Thank God for TIVO. Fast Forward to Best Visual Effects, please. lol
> Â
> Al
> Â
> Â
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60957 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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I think one out of every 1 million people would agree with you on that . lol
 
Al

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Goooo WETA!

 
The smart thing to do would have been to make a smart movie in the first place, they had the time and the resources but they didn't they made a dumb one with massive plot holes and crap editing etc. etc.
No surprise to me that it's not getting huge Oscar recognition. I know standards have dropped in the modern era but come on, it is no where near being an Oscar winning movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> The smart thing to do was to give Andy a nomination. And even if the academy isn't ready to give an Oscar for motion capture, at least the hype and the hoopla surrounding the nomination would have at least made the Oscars a bit more interesting to watch this year.
>  
> Now all of America and the world are headed for another boring ass Oscar night.
> And believe me, it will be boring. Thank God for TIVO. Fast Forward to Best Visual Effects, please. lol
>  
> Al
>  
>  
>
>
> > From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com;
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Group: potadg Message: 60958 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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Dream on.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I think one out of every 1 million people would agree with you on that. lol
> Â
> Al
>
>
> > >
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Group: potadg Message: 60959 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
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Group: potadg Message: 60960 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/24/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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You’d be surprised Alex! LOL!!!

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alex Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 11:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Goooo WETA!

 

 

I think one out of every 1 million people would agree with you on that. lol

 

Al

 

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Goooo WETA!

 

 

The smart thing to do would have been to make a smart movie in the first place, they had the time and the resources but they didn't they made a dumb one with massive plot holes and crap editing etc. etc.
No surprise to me that it's not getting huge Oscar recognition. I know standards have dropped in the modern era but come on, it is no where near being an Oscar winning movie.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

>
> The smart thing to do was to give Andy a nomination. And even if the
academy isn't ready to give an Oscar for motion capture, at least the hype and the hoopla surrounding the nomination would have at least made the Oscars a bit more interesting to watch this year.
>  
> Now all of America
and the world are headed for another boring ass Oscar night.
> And believe me, it will be boring. Thank God for TIVO. Fast Forward
to Best Visual Effects, please. lol
>  
> Al
>  
>  
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60961 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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I really hate to sound negative and stuff...but Neil...you are spot on! I feel like I'm one of the handful of individuals who weren't particularly impressed by Rise. Sometimes I have to hold back and not post anything...for fear of the poo flinging.....

:)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM, munkeyman63au < ntfoster@...> wrote:

It's simple really, it didn't deserve (or get) a whole bunch of Oscar nominations because it's not very good.

Neil T.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Goooo WETA!
>
>
> Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise" got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
> "So be it". - - - Ursus
>


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Group: potadg Message: 60962 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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I agree too that the special Oscar for the makeup was due to the campaigning...

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:06 AM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@... > wrote:
I really hate to sound negative and stuff...but Neil...you are spot on! I feel like I'm one of the handful of individuals who weren't particularly impressed by Rise. Sometimes I have to hold back and not post anything...for fear of the poo flinging.....

:)


On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM, munkeyman63au < ntfoster@...> wrote:

It's simple really, it didn't deserve (or get) a whole bunch of Oscar nominations because it's not very good.

Neil T.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Goooo WETA!
>
>
> Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise" got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
> "So be it". - - - Ursus
>



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Group: potadg Message: 60963 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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It’s not negative – it’s honest.

 

It was better than Burton ’s shit but it was not as good as it could have been.

 

Huge plot holes a 2 year old can see = NOT intelligent.

 

It was MORE intelligent that MOST Hollywood crap, but that’s not saying much.

 

I did enjoy it, but I don’t revere it.

 

I’m surprised because I expected much worse was possible – but it is NOT an INTELLIGENT movie and people need to stop saying it is because they are really saying “I don’t know what an intelligent movie is!”.

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 6:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Goooo WETA!

 

 

I really hate to sound negative and stuff...but Neil...you are spot on!  I feel like I'm one of the handful of individuals who weren't particularly impressed by Rise.  Sometimes I have to hold back and not post anything...for fear of the poo flinging.....

:)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:

 

It's simple really, it didn't deserve (or get) a whole bunch of Oscar nominations because it's not very good.

Neil T.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Goooo WETA!
>
>
> Well, it was a pretty bad year for apes at the Oscars. "Rise"
got the expected Visual FX nom but that's it. Even "Project Nim" didn't get a nomination. Andy Serkis didn't get one for Best Supporting Actor (nor did the expected Albert Brooks) but the campaign for him and the dialogue about motion capture was still historic. So "Rise" takes a backseat to the original POTA re: Oscar.
> "So be it". - - - Ursus
>

 

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Group: potadg Message: 60964 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: WETA's Daniel Barrett talks Oscar nomination
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   The FX company WETA has definitely had Oscar action before (they've won the FX Oscar 5 out of the last 10 years) but "Rise" is the first Oscar nod for Daniel Barrett as an FX supervisor. Here's a chat with him. The video has a look at Caesar's skull.
 
 
 An interesting thing about the nominations is that some said Andy Serkis shouldn't be nominated because it's animation, not acting. But people were surprised that "Tin Tin" (also featuring Serkis and also done by WETA) was not nominated for Best Animated Film, and some suggest a bias against motion capture from animators. So "mo-cap" seems to be neither fish nor fowl at the moment as people try to decide what it is (and what it means to their jobs).
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Group: potadg Message: 60965 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Serkis reaction
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ha ha ha that's very funny Jeff.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Someone managed to snap a picture of Andy Serkis as he was learning the news this morning that he didn't get an Oscar nomination. He was with a simian friend at the time and they were getting ready to celebrate his "victory". Better luck next time, Andy.


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Group: potadg Message: 60966 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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ah...I was looking at the one you guys printed and sent me but I didn't have them next to each other....I will check them out side by side...

Tim


From: Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 
Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).
 
You should see changes…..
 
Michael
 
 

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
 
 
I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??
Really great stuff there guys!
Tim
 

From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
 
 
Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>
 


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Group: potadg Message: 60967 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Don't despair Neil...I was looking at them two different times...I was looking mostly at the art....


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:25 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 
Seriously? You didn't notice the word and thought balloons, changed or rearranged art panels and some changed dialog to help the flow of the story from what were originally 3 page episodes?!?

I despair at times, I really do.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??
> Really great stuff there guys!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60968 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I have to have Tim's back on this. I haven't commented because when I looked at the "redux" I didn't notice the changes either. Maybe I expected something more drastic & I had not read it in some time but I didn't see it. I too didn't look at them side by side but will when I get a chance. Sorry Neil. I hate when you two start to get discouraged & lash out but as someone who reads comics regularly I am surpised I didn't notice the changes.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Don't despair Neil...I was looking at them two different times...I was looking mostly at the art....
>
>
>
> > >
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Group: potadg Message: 60969 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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For a start no one is 'lashing out' certainly not me and to tell the truth I'm a little bit offended by you intimating that.

I just can not understand how someone looking at the thing can not see that it now has word and thought balloons for a start when the original only had word boxes for everything, apart from the other little art changes.

Granted they're not big changes for the most part because we did not want to completely rewrite and change the story, we just wanted to make it flow better instead of having little 'cliff-hangers' every 3 pages and to fix a few things that some readers originally bitched about.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "drzaiusdavis" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
>
> I have to have Tim's back on this. I haven't commented because when I looked at the "redux" I didn't notice the changes either. Maybe I expected something more drastic & I had not read it in some time but I didn't see it. I too didn't look at them side by side but will when I get a chance. Sorry Neil. I hate when you two start to get discouraged & lash out but as someone who reads comics regularly I am surpised I didn't notice the changes.
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't despair Neil...I was looking at them two different times...I was looking mostly at the art....
> >
> >
> >
> > > > >
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Group: potadg Message: 60970 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Sorry again Neil.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> For a start no one is 'lashing out' certainly not me and to tell the truth I'm a little bit offended by you intimating that.
>
> I just can not understand how someone looking at the thing can not see that it now has word and thought balloons for a start when the original only had word boxes for everything, apart from the other little art changes.
>
> Granted they're not big changes for the most part because we did not want to completely rewrite and change the story, we just wanted to make it flow better instead of having little 'cliff-hangers' every 3 pages and to fix a few things that some readers originally bitched about.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "drzaiusdavis" <DrZaiusDavis@> wrote:
> >
> > I have to have Tim's back on this. I haven't commented because when I looked at the "redux" I didn't notice the changes either. Maybe I expected something more drastic & I had not read it in some time but I didn't see it. I too didn't look at them side by side but will when I get a chance. Sorry Neil. I hate when you two start to get discouraged & lash out but as someone who reads comics regularly I am surpised I didn't notice the changes.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't despair Neil...I was looking at them two different times...I was looking mostly at the art....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
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Group: potadg Message: 60971 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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They are really subtle but we thought they were necessary – hence the need for feedback! J

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of drzaiusdavis
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 4:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

I have to have Tim's back on this. I haven't commented because when I looked at the "redux" I didn't notice the changes either. Maybe I expected something more drastic & I had not read it in some time but I didn't see it. I too didn't look at them side by side but will when I get a chance. Sorry Neil. I hate when you two start to get discouraged & lash out but as someone who reads comics regularly I am surpised I didn't notice the changes.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> Don't despair Neil...I was looking at them two different times...I was
looking mostly at the art....
>
>
>
> > >
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Group: potadg Message: 60972 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Goooo WETA!
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Not negative just truthful. Now from Apes fans I'm seeing a lot of stuff like 'the Oscars are a joke' 'going to be boring as heck' etc. etc. just because the motion capture bloke didn't get nominated. Toys being thrown out of the pram time.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> I really hate to sound negative and stuff...but Neil...you are spot on! I
> feel like I'm one of the handful of individuals who weren't particularly
> impressed by Rise. Sometimes I have to hold back and not post
> anything...for fear of the poo flinging.....
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Group: potadg Message: 60973 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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Yep, really looking forward to hearing the views of the 4 or 5 people who still participate on this group.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> They are really subtle but we thought they were necessary – hence the need
> for feedback! :-)
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Group: potadg Message: 60974 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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  Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.
  I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!
  Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in "pictures".

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).

You should see changesÂ…..

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??

Really great stuff there guys!

Tim


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the
files section:-
>
>
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
>
t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@>
wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files
were up either...i'd love
> to get a
look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60975 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/25/2012
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Actually I’m fairly sure it was just Gideon and his rifle chasing down a solitary human that night but I’ll check to see if there is a plot hole.

 

If there is, it will be fixed before being released to the paying public (as plot holes should be!).

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 10:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

  Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.

  I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!

  Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in "pictures".

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).

You should see changes…..

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??

Really great stuff there guys!

Tim


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
>
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60976 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2012
Subject: OT: Holy Moses!
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   In the Beginning, there was the Charlton Heston performance. And it was good. And it begat many reboots.
   No, Silly! I'm not talking about POTA. I'm talking about Moses. Maybe Heston's most indelible role was as Moses in "The Ten Commandments" and now the studios are hot to retell the Moses story. Actually, Biblical epics are hot right now. There's the Adam and Eve story "Paradise Lost", and the "Black Swan" director is doing an expensive "Noah" movie.
  Fox and "Rise of the POTA" producer Peter Chernin wanted to do Moses but it looks like they will have to make way for Steven Spielberg, who's interested in Warner Bros.' "gritty" version. "Rise" itself was devised by the writers as a Moses story (but instead of crossing the Red Sea, Caesar crossed the Red Bridge and headed for the Red Woods) so it would be interesting for Chernin to take the actual story on as well. But I guess all roads lead to Spielberg so he probably gets first crack.
  They've rebooted "The Omega Man", POTA, Moses, so I guess "Ben Hur" is next? What's the Heston movie YOU want to see rebooted?
 
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Group: potadg Message: 60977 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
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Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel
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Group: potadg Message: 60978 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Digest Number 4760
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PS I do recall the one big one that was discussed, about "Why didn't anyone know Bright Eyes was pregnant"...so that's one out of the way.

Thanks
Mel
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Group: potadg Message: 60979 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Happy Australia Day!
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Group: potadg Message: 60980 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Gooo WETA
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Not trying to be a smart arse here but so many of them are painfully obvious. If not here's a few to be starting with:-

http://movieplotholes.com/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes.html"

And there's many, many more!

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, chimel23@... wrote:
>
> Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
> Thanks
> Mel
>
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Subject: Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
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I'm assuming that Jeff means when Gideon is being chased by the humans and he gets lost in the dark when night falls. He gets lost and disorientated because it's dark and he can't see where he is. Pretty self explanatory why the humans couldn't find him to kill him I think.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Actually I'm fairly sure it was just Gideon and his rifle chasing down a
> solitary human that night but I'll check to see if there is a plot hole.
>
>
>
> If there is, it will be fixed before being released to the paying public (as
> plot holes should be!).
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 10:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.
>
> I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why
> didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!
>
> Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in "pictures".
>
>
>
> From: Sal <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Mick
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Maybe you printed the redux?
>
> The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the
> words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING
> rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).
>
> You should see changes...
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to
> the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking
> for again??
>
> Really great stuff there guys!
>
> Tim
>
> _____
>
> From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing
> but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time
> and will soon be gone (for good this time).
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Hurrah!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > munkeyman63au
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
> >
> >
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> > t%20%27Redux%27/
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> > <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd love
> > to get a look....
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 60982 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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Yup.  Jeff was just having a laugh and I think trying to make a comparison to our attitude to “Rise”.

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 9:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

I'm assuming that Jeff means when Gideon is being chased by the humans and he gets lost in the dark when night falls. He gets lost and disorientated because it's dark and he can't see where he is. Pretty self explanatory why the humans couldn't find him to kill him I think.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Actually I'm fairly sure it was just Gideon and his rifle chasing down a
> solitary human that night but I'll check to see if there is a plot hole.
>
>
>
> If there is, it will be fixed before being released to the paying public
(as
> plot holes should be!).
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 10:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.
>
> I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why
> didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!
>
> Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in
"pictures".
>
>
>
> From: Sal <mailto:smwhitty@...> & Mick
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM
>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Maybe you printed the redux?
>
> The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of
the
> words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING
> rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).
>
> You should see changes...
>
> Michael
>
> _____
>
> From: <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it
to
> the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I
looking
> for again??
>
> Really great stuff there guys!
>
> Tim
>
> _____
>
> From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
> Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing
> but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time
> and will soon be gone (for good this time).
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , "Sal &
> Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > Hurrah!
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> > munkeyman63au
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
> >
> >
>
href="http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas">http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> > t%20%27Redux%27/
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> > <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up
either...i'd love
> > to get a look....
> >
>

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Group: potadg Message: 60983 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60984 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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  Another one is the apes being "smart" before they get the drug. In particular the sign language orangutan. The writers said that was the last big issue just before they locked the picture. Should they include it or not? They decided to keep it because Caesar needs an ally at that point, the film is bleak at that point. Their reasoning is that apes have been known to not only learn sign language but to teach it to other apes.

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

PS I do recall the one big one that was discussed, about "Why didn't anyone know Bright Eyes was pregnant"...so that's one out of the way.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60985 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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   Indeed.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:10 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Australia Day!

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Group: potadg Message: 60986 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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OK Jeff – what’s “intelligent” about “RISE”?

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

 

  Another one is the apes being "smart" before they get the drug. In particular the sign language orangutan. The writers said that was the last big issue just before they locked the picture. Should they include it or not? They decided to keep it because Caesar needs an ally at that point, the film is bleak at that point. Their reasoning is that apes have been known to not only learn sign language but to teach it to other apes.

 

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:35 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

 

PS I do recall the one big one that was discussed, about "Why didn't anyone know Bright Eyes was pregnant"...so that's one out of the way.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60987 From: jessica rotich Date: 1/26/2012
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40 gun salute in Ape City! Hurray!

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Indeed.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:10 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Australia Day!


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Group: potadg Message: 60988 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Intelligent?
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Intelligent?

  They take POTA in another direction instead of doing the same thing over. Deals with science, the death of a parent, abandonment, things that weren't in the original movies. It takes "intelligence" to come up with new avenues for a familiar story, and guts to take it there. They said they were nervous, not only because of the CG but also no time travel and no talking apes. The reason people dig "Rise" is it took POTA in places they didn't expect and it felt fresh.
  It's better than most of the POTA movies and it's better than most of the expensive summer blockbuster this year. It's not a low budget arthouse movie and had certain expectations to live up to, but they did a good job with what they had (and dealing with the restrictive Fox).

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Intelligent?

 

OK Jeff – what’s “intelligent” about “RISE”?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

  Another one is the apes being "smart" before they get the drug. In particular the sign language orangutan. The writers said that was the last big issue just before they locked the picture. Should they include it or not? They decided to keep it because Caesar needs an ally at that point, the film is bleak at that point. Their reasoning is that apes have been known to not only learn sign language but to teach it to other apes.

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:35 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

PS I do recall the one big one that was discussed, about "Why didn't anyone know Bright Eyes was pregnant"...so that's one out of the way.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60989 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Celebrating sequels
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Jeff,

 

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

 

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), Roddy’s mouth falling off……it all happened.

 

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

 

I enjoyed “RISE” but it’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, it’s more a NORMAL child but it ain’t an Einstein!

 

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap it’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

 

It’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isn’t INTELLIGENT – it’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupid’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please let’s agree it’s STUPID!!!

 

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  That’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that it’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

 

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

 

Still I enjoyed it.

 

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

 

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60990 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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That’s more enthusiastic!

Thanks Jessica!

Michael

 

PS Seen any intelligent movies lately?

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Australia Day!

 

 

40 gun salute in Ape City !  Hurray!

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

 

   Indeed.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:10 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Australia Day!

 

 

 

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Group: potadg Message: 60991 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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  I enjoyed Yogi Bear when I was a kid. But I don't "celebrate" it. I celebrate the POTA movies (most of them) because they WERE intelligent and the older I get the more relevant they become about the way the world is. If they weren't intelligent I wouldn't bother with them. POTA68, "Escape", "Conquest", "Rise" = intelligent. Not perfect but intelligent.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

Jeff,

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), RoddyÂ’s mouth falling offÂ…Â…it all happened.

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

I enjoyed “RISE” but itÂ’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, itÂ’s more a NORMAL child but it ainÂ’t an Einstein!

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap itÂ’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

ItÂ’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isnÂ’t INTELLIGENT – itÂ’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupidÂ’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please letÂ’s agree itÂ’s STUPID!!!

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  ThatÂ’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that itÂ’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

Still I enjoyed it.

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60992 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Better....
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Yeah I know it’s “BETTER” than this and that but fuck me what isn’t?

I think Monty Python said it best:

“How are you feeling today sir?”

 

“Better.”

 

“Better, sir?”

“Better get a bucket I’m going to throw up!”

 

I think I’d be happy with it being “One of the more intelligent movies of 2011”.

 

I also think it was heading in an intelligent direction and the restrictive Fox “Fuxed” it!  They took an intelligent script from an intelligent writer and said “Oh shit it’s too intelligent!  Can we dumb it down and focus more on flying monkeys?”

 

Now if they had just gone with an intelligent script – THAT would have been a RISK and it would have BEEN an intelligent movie!

 

I’ve been teaching mentally handicapped children on and off for the last year and I’d be just as worried if you started calling them intelligent too.  They are what they are – doesn’t mean we like or love it or them any less, just means we use an accurate description.

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Intelligent?

 

 

 

 

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Intelligent?

 

  They take POTA in another direction instead of doing the same thing over. Deals with science, the death of a parent, abandonment, things that weren't in the original movies. It takes "intelligence" to come up with new avenues for a familiar story, and guts to take it there. They said they were nervous, not only because of the CG but also no time travel and no talking apes. The reason people dig "Rise" is it took POTA in places they didn't expect and it felt fresh.

  It's better than most of the POTA movies and it's better than most of the expensive summer blockbuster this year. It's not a low budget arthouse movie and had certain expectations to live up to, but they did a good job with what they had (and dealing with the restrictive Fox).

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:17 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Intelligent?

 

 

OK Jeff – what’s “intelligent” about “RISE”?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

  Another one is the apes being "smart" before they get the drug. In particular the sign language orangutan. The writers said that was the last big issue just before they locked the picture. Should they include it or not? They decided to keep it because Caesar needs an ally at that point, the film is bleak at that point. Their reasoning is that apes have been known to not only learn sign language but to teach it to other apes.

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:35 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Digest Number 4760

 

PS I do recall the one big one that was discussed, about "Why didn't anyone know Bright Eyes was pregnant"...so that's one out of the way.

Thanks
Mel

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Group: potadg Message: 60993 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
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Oh fiddlesticks Boo Boo!  J

 

Yogi

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

 

  I enjoyed Yogi Bear when I was a kid. But I don't "celebrate" it. I celebrate the POTA movies (most of them) because they WERE intelligent and the older I get the more relevant they become about the way the world is. If they weren't intelligent I wouldn't bother with them. POTA68, "Escape", "Conquest", "Rise" = intelligent. Not perfect but intelligent.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

 

Jeff,

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), Roddy’s mouth falling off……it all happened.

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

I enjoyed “RISE” but it’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, it’s more a NORMAL child but it ain’t an Einstein!

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap it’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

It’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isn’t INTELLIGENT – it’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupid’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please let’s agree it’s STUPID!!!

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  That’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that it’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

Still I enjoyed it.

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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And if you recall, Yogi was “smarter than your average bear!”.

 

I think RISE was smarter than your average movie, but I fall short of being convinced it was INTELLIGENT.

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

 

Oh fiddlesticks Boo Boo!  J

 

Yogi

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

 

  I enjoyed Yogi Bear when I was a kid. But I don't "celebrate" it. I celebrate the POTA movies (most of them) because they WERE intelligent and the older I get the more relevant they become about the way the world is. If they weren't intelligent I wouldn't bother with them. POTA68, "Escape", "Conquest", "Rise" = intelligent. Not perfect but intelligent.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

 

Jeff,

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), Roddy’s mouth falling off……it all happened.

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

I enjoyed “RISE” but it’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, it’s more a NORMAL child but it ain’t an Einstein!

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap it’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

It’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isn’t INTELLIGENT – it’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupid’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please let’s agree it’s STUPID!!!

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  That’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that it’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

Still I enjoyed it.

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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Subject: Re: Celebrating sequels
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  "To thine own self be true".    - - - Polonius

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

And if you recall, Yogi was “smarter than your average bear!”.

I think RISE was smarter than your average movie, but I fall short of being convinced it was INTELLIGENT.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

Oh fiddlesticks Boo Boo!  J

Yogi


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

  I enjoyed Yogi Bear when I was a kid. But I don't "celebrate" it. I celebrate the POTA movies (most of them) because they WERE intelligent and the older I get the more relevant they become about the way the world is. If they weren't intelligent I wouldn't bother with them. POTA68, "Escape", "Conquest", "Rise" = intelligent. Not perfect but intelligent.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

Jeff,

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), RoddyÂ’s mouth falling offÂ…Â…it all happened.

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

I enjoyed “RISE” but itÂ’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, itÂ’s more a NORMAL child but it ainÂ’t an Einstein!

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap itÂ’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

ItÂ’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isnÂ’t INTELLIGENT – itÂ’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupidÂ’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please letÂ’s agree itÂ’s STUPID!!!

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  ThatÂ’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that itÂ’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

Still I enjoyed it.

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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  Who did the music for "Hamlet"? The same guy who did "Rise", Patrick Doyle.  ; )
  Intelligence!
 

From: Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

  "To thine own self be true".    - - - Polonius

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

And if you recall, Yogi was “smarter than your average bear!”.

I think RISE was smarter than your average movie, but I fall short of being convinced it was INTELLIGENT.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

Oh fiddlesticks Boo Boo!  J

Yogi


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

  I enjoyed Yogi Bear when I was a kid. But I don't "celebrate" it. I celebrate the POTA movies (most of them) because they WERE intelligent and the older I get the more relevant they become about the way the world is. If they weren't intelligent I wouldn't bother with them. POTA68, "Escape", "Conquest", "Rise" = intelligent. Not perfect but intelligent.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Celebrating sequels

 

Jeff,

I celebrate the sequels – warts and all – because I loved them when I was younger.

Plot holes and shitty gorilla make ups (Escape), RoddyÂ’s mouth falling offÂ…Â…it all happened.

I still celebrate those movies.  But I do NOT call them INTELLIGENT!  They are fun, but they are children of a lesser god!

I enjoyed “RISE” but itÂ’s a handicapped child, not a child-genius!  Actually, itÂ’s more a NORMAL child but it ainÂ’t an Einstein!

It missed out on the bit where people sit around a table and think about what they have done and whether it makes sense.  Most writers do this, I know it is done in many films.  If they did it with RISE they must have decided “Ah who gives a crap itÂ’s gonna look better that way even though it make little or no sense!”.

ItÂ’s like in “Every Which Way But Loose” when Clint punches someone and the sound you hear is NOTHING like a real punch, and the distance the guy being punched is propelled has nothing to do with reality, similarly the simians fly around the place in RISE but who cares?  I mean it looks GREAT!!!!  But it isnÂ’t INTELLIGENT – itÂ’s fucking STUPID if anything (while entertaining) but stupidÂ’s OK and can be fun right????  Just please letÂ’s agree itÂ’s STUPID!!!

The editing is TERRIBLE too – SCRAPPY!  ThatÂ’s surely NOT intelligent.  If it were, they would have found a way to do it so that itÂ’s not obvious great chunks of the movie are missing!

The only thing intelligent about RISE is the lack of it.

Still I enjoyed it.

Neil had higher expectations obviously, me, I’m happy with “Better than Burton ’s!”.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?

  I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".

  But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".

From: chimel23@...

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.

Thanks
Mel

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  I think it's reasonable to assume that all those humans could overtake Gideon. And that the humans who live in the Forbidden Zone can see better in the dark than him, or have developed a better sense of smell. You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Actually IÂ’m fairly sure it was just Gideon and his rifle chasing down a solitary human that night but IÂ’ll check to see if there is a plot hole.

If there is, it will be fixed before being released to the paying public (as plot holes should be!).

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 10:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

  Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.

  I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!

  Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in "pictures".

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).

You should see changesÂ…..

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??

Really great stuff there guys!

Tim


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the
files section:-
>
>
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
>
t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com" target=_blank ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@>
wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files
were up either...i'd love
> to get a
look....
>

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Yes, grasshopper, but only one can be intelligent.  J

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

  I think it's reasonable to assume that all those humans could overtake Gideon. And that the humans who live in the Forbidden Zone can see better in the dark than him, or have developed a better sense of smell. You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:51 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Actually I’m fairly sure it was just Gideon and his rifle chasing down a solitary human that night but I’ll check to see if there is a plot hole.

If there is, it will be fixed before being released to the paying public (as plot holes should be!).

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 10:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

  Yes, I prefer the new version. It looks more professional.

  I didn't buy that he could fend off all those humans by himself. And why didn't they kill him at night? Plot holes!

  Liked the ending and the artwork was good. You ought to be in "pictures".

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Maybe you printed the redux?

The major difference is the LETTERING and in particular the placement of the words/the existence of word and thought BOXES (character actually SPEAKING rather than a box for commentator and thoughts/words from Gideon).

You should see changes…..

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 7:44 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

I just re read this awesome story....and love it still! But I compared it to the printed version I had and didn't see any differences! What was I looking for again??

Really great stuff there guys!

Tim


From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Just reminding members that the BTBR files are still available for viewing but you'd better get in quick because they are only up for a limited time and will soon be gone (for good this time).

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> Hurrah!
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> munkeyman63au
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 3:34 PM
> To:
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question
>
>
>
>
>
> Well now you can because they are back up in the files section:-
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Comics/Beware%20The%20Beas
> t%20%27Redux%27/
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In
ymailto="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim
> <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > I didnt get a chance to compare when the files were up either...i'd
love
> to get a look....
>

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Don't agree with that one.

It would have been better if they had not used the name Caesar and had started a completely new version of Planet of the Apes instead of trying to tie it into the 'classic' Apes (A stupid thing to try to do in my opinion.)
I'm guessing that most of the audiences were made up of folks who were not crazy Apes fans and knew only the very basics of the 'old POTA' stuff, hence why so many liked it and thought it was fantastic.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:31 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Intelligent?
>
> It's better than most of the POTA movies
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But how hard is it to be that these days? The majority of Hollywood movies made these days are just fucking dumb and made for morons. They even rip off/remake foreign language movies and dumb them down for the English speaking masses.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>> I think RISE was smarter than your average movie,
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And Gideon was too dumb to be able to hide from them in all those rocks? There's an extra 6 pages we could have added showing how he did that but 6 pages of black panels would have been a bit boring.

Besides I didn't have a choice as that's the way Dave Ballard wrote it.

And last time I checked we weren't highly paid professionals who had all the time in the world to get it right unlike Rise's writers.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I think it's reasonable to assume that all those humans could overtake Gideon. And that the humans who live in the Forbidden Zone can see better in the dark than him, or have developed a better sense of smell. You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.
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  Did Fox make you cut those 6 pages?   : (

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:36 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

And Gideon was too dumb to be able to hide from them in all those rocks? There's an extra 6 pages we could have added showing how he did that but 6 pages of black panels would have been a bit boring.

Besides I didn't have a choice as that's the way Dave Ballard wrote it.

And last time I checked we weren't highly paid professionals who had all the time in the world to get it right unlike Rise's writers.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> I think it's reasonable to assume that
all those humans could overtake Gideon. And that the humans who live in the Forbidden Zone can see better in the dark than him, or have developed a better sense of smell. You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

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I agree.

 

If you read the comic you will see Gideon saves a bullet for himself because he knows it is just a matter of time.

 

So we agree on that – GREAT!

 

Now does that make us INTELLIGENT?

Hmmmmmm……………………


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

  I think it's reasonable to assume that all those humans could overtake Gideon.

 

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They could have.

 

It’s just as valid to conclude that the human is running as far away as he can to find the other humans.

 

Here we have two sensible options and one sensible option was chosen.

 

I think we made the intelligent choice because it would have been a very short story had Gideon been killed while he slept in the dark!  ;)

 

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

And that the humans who live in the Forbidden Zone can see better in the dark than him, or have developed a better sense of smell.

 

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Yes – our reasons and choices did not compromise the flow of the story and make the story retarded as did the RISE choices.

 

There’s also a huge difference in budget and resources, and we don’t go around saying “BEWARE THE BEAST IS AN INTELLIGENT COMIC”.  It’s a fucking story – we hope you like it!

 

Now go and read the TV Show comic I wrote.  I refer to San Francisco as “The City of Angels”.  Pretty darned stupid right?  Agreed!  After this was pointed out to me, I changed it!  And this is a fan made fucking comic we are talking about!  Why the fuck would you expect any less from a multi-million dollar movie?  Wouldn’t you be intelligent to expect MORE?  The rest of that comic is ridden with plot holes too.  And if I had to describe it I’d say it was flawed, NOT INTELLIGENT!!!!!  But if I’d had feedback in time I would have used that to improve and rectify its faults.

 

Simply, unless you completely redefine “intelligent” by lowering qualifying IQ points, it’s NOT an INTELLIGENT movie.

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

 

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Group: potadg Message: 61006 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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  It's an intelligent movie with flaws. Case closed!

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

Yes – our reasons and choices did not compromise the flow of the story and make the story retarded as did the RISE choices.

ThereÂ’s also a huge difference in budget and resources, and we donÂ’t go around saying “BEWARE THE BEAST IS AN INTELLIGENT COMIC”.  ItÂ’s a fucking story – we hope you like it!

Now go and read the TV Show comic I wrote.  I refer to San Francisco as “The City of Angels”.  Pretty darned stupid right?  Agreed!  After this was pointed out to me, I changed it!  And this is a fan made fucking comic we are talking about!  Why the fuck would you expect any less from a multi-million dollar movie?  WouldnÂ’t you be intelligent to expect MORE?  The rest of that comic is ridden with plot holes too.  And if I had to describe it IÂ’d say it was flawed, NOT INTELLIGENT!!!!!  But if IÂ’d had feedback in time I would have used that to improve and rectify its faults.

Simply, unless you completely redefine “intelligent” by lowering qualifying IQ points, it’s NOT an INTELLIGENT movie.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

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Group: potadg Message: 61007 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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Yeah – and an intellectually retarded child is an intelligent child with intellectual flaws.

 

It’s NOT an intelligent movie.

 

It’s a bit silly really.

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 12:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

  It's an intelligent movie with flaws. Case closed!

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:18 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

 

Yes – our reasons and choices did not compromise the flow of the story and make the story retarded as did the RISE choices.

There’s also a huge difference in budget and resources, and we don’t go around saying “BEWARE THE BEAST IS AN INTELLIGENT COMIC”.  It’s a fucking story – we hope you like it!

Now go and read the TV Show comic I wrote.  I refer to San Francisco as “The City of Angels”.  Pretty darned stupid right?  Agreed!  After this was pointed out to me, I changed it!  And this is a fan made fucking comic we are talking about!  Why the fuck would you expect any less from a multi-million dollar movie?  Wouldn’t you be intelligent to expect MORE?  The rest of that comic is ridden with plot holes too.  And if I had to describe it I’d say it was flawed, NOT INTELLIGENT!!!!!  But if I’d had feedback in time I would have used that to improve and rectify its faults.

Simply, unless you completely redefine “intelligent” by lowering qualifying IQ points, it’s NOT an INTELLIGENT movie.

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 3:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beware The Beast Redux question

 

You had your reasons for the choices you made and so did the "Rise" folks.

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Group: potadg Message: 61008 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
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Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
> Thanks
> Mel
>
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Group: potadg Message: 61009 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
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Well I didn't choose to study their plot holes and stupidity. I couldn't help it, they just leapt out at me from the screen much like an unrealistic leaping super ape.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
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Group: potadg Message: 61010 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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Duh!  J

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

Well I didn't choose to study their plot holes and stupidity. I couldn't help it, they just leapt out at me from the screen much like an unrealistic leaping super ape.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists
who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>

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Group: potadg Message: 61011 From: Dario Date: 1/26/2012
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I finally had the time to print and read the "redux" version. It's been so long since I read the original that I enjoyed it even more. Sure I remembered most of it, especially some of the more potent images (first sight of ship, baby, etc) but it was exciting revisiting it. I wish I could do a side by side comparison with the original, but that will have to wait for another day. I don't know if I would have picked up on the differences mentioned, but I seem to remember Michael saying a long time ago that one of the things he would have liked to change was the word banners.

My only gripe would be that there are indeed a few too many humans in the fight scenes for it to be plausible that Gideon could have escaped. It is one of my pet peeves in movies and TV shows when the 'hero' is fighting a bunch of bad guys and the swarm of bad guys only enter the battle alone or in twos thereby allowing the hero to win the battle. If they really wanted to take him down they would all swarm at once. In this case the problem could be alleviated by simply having less humans.

After reading it I even passed it over to my son to see what he thought about. He liked it. I also pass him my Boom POTA comics, but he also only gets those after I'm done reading them. He has not read Betrayal because I told him it was only a four issue story arc he said he would rather wait until we've got the entire series and then read then all together.

Now did Michael say something about there going to be a reprint?

PS: Exactly when was the original Beware created? What year?

Dario

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2012, at 5:44 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> Yep, really looking forward to hearing the views of the 4 or 5 people who still participate on this group.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> They are really subtle but we thought they were necessary – hence the need
>> for feedback! :-)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 61012 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.
 
    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.
    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb
    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older
    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".
   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't
   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it
   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused
   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes
   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing
   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em
   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it
   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters
  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road
   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)
 
   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.
 
  

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab
realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't
"deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted
scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012
10:34 PM
> To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can
someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
>
Thanks
> Mel
>

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Group: potadg Message: 61013 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/26/2012
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Jeff – the flaws negate the intelligence.

 

Why does it have to be an intelligent movie for you?

 

It doesn’t make it more or less enjoyable.

 

What’s in it for you?

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

 

    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't

   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it

   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused

   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing

   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em

   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it

   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters

  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

 

   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.

 

  

 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is
pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal
breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists
who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that
were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
> Thanks
> Mel
>

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  You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.
  I'm sure Einstein did stupid things, too.
  "Intelligent" doesn't mean perfect, it means...it means...
  Um, wait a minute, it's here somewhere...
  "displaying or characterized by quickness of understanding, sound thought, or good judgement"
 
  OK, they went out on a limb by doing a POTA movie without makeup or talking apes and made a friggin' fortune. That's good judgement.
  Sound thought. They thought about the sound! They had sound recorders, sound editors, sound mixers.
  Quickness of understanding. Caesar learns quickly.
  So there you go.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Jeff – the flaws negate the intelligence.

Why does it have to be an intelligent movie for you?

It doesnÂ’t make it more or less enjoyable.

WhatÂ’s in it for you?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't

   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it

   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused

   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing

   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em

   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it

   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters

  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.

  

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab
realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't
"deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted
scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012
10:34 PM
> To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can
someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
>
Thanks
> Mel
>

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Yeah you can poke holes in any movie but they don't all have people trying to imply that they are intelligent.

Every time something is pointed out about this movie that is plain wrong or stupid you come up with these excuses about time limits, budget restrictions etc. All movies have these things but surprisingly some decent intelligent movies (yes even sci-fi) without massive plot holes still manage to be made.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

  It's a creative, intelligent movie that is better than most movie sci-fi and better than "Conquest", "Beneath" and "Battle" TO ME.
  You can have any opinion you want.

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Yeah you can poke holes in any movie but they don't all have people trying to imply that they are intelligent.

Every time something is pointed out about this movie that is plain wrong or stupid you come up with these excuses about time limits, budget restrictions etc. All movies have these things but surprisingly some decent intelligent movies (yes even sci-fi) without massive plot holes still manage to be made.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> You can poke holes in any movie you
choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

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> a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

Look at the size of the place. And are there really anywhere near that many apes in the area anyway?

> b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

Sorry but that's a pretty stupid answer for that one especially since they are all meant to be intelligent now so they know it would be easier to walk out the front door.

> c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

No one or nothing else did though which makes it stupid.

> d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

Still no need for it though.

> j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

Maybe in research facilities but not a circus.

> q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

Not in our country, we put them by the side of the road not on it.

> r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

No he is definitely studying the birthmark, he even touches it whilst he's doing it.

Neil T.
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Group: potadg Message: 61018 From: munkeyman63au Date: 1/26/2012
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As far as i can recall you are the person who has been saying it is an intelligent movie for a long time now.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.
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 a) obviously there are that many apes in the area. Don't you believe your own eyes?
 b) they're still apes and for them it's not easier to walk out the front door. Apes climb.
 c) what, they're supposed to have flying cars in 8 years?
 d - p) well, over the top CG is one of my pet peeves, too. Talk to the FX Society
 j) a sign language ape would go over good in a circus
 q) "Rise" doesn't take place in Australia
 r) he looks at his birthmark but he's looking at himself. He's Pinocchio as an ape. He wants to be a real boy. Hey! That's an intelligent idea for a story.
 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:33 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

> a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role

call.

Look at the size of the place. And are there really anywhere near that many apes in the area anyway?

> b) they escape through the roof
because they're apes, they like to climb

Sorry but that's a pretty stupid answer for that one especially since they are all meant to be intelligent now so they know it would be easier to walk out the front door.

> c)
sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

No one or nothing else did though which makes it stupid.

> d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not
confined to "Rise".

Still no need for it though.

> j) it's
controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

Maybe in research facilities but not a circus.

> q) you've
never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

Not in our country, we put them by the side of the road not on it.

> r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he
was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

No he is definitely studying the birthmark, he even touches it whilst he's doing it.

Neil T.

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Group: potadg Message: 61020 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2012
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  Michael was the one complaining that critics were calling it intelligent. I just responded and you guys made a court case out of it.
  Mostly this started when Mel asked about the plot holes. It's Mel's fault!

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:36 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

As far as i can recall you are the person who has been saying it is an intelligent movie for a long time now.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> You're the one who brought up
"intelligent", not me.

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Group: potadg Message: 61021 From: knightangel314 Date: 1/27/2012
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I didn't mean to start anything, honest. And was frustrated at myself for not picking up easier on the stuff on that plot holes site.

I go with whoever said 'intelligent with flaws', but we're each entitled to our own opinion...we'll likely have to agree to disagree.

Mel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Michael was the one complaining that critics were calling it intelligent. I just responded and you guys made a court case out of it.
> Mostly this started when Mel asked about the plot holes. It's Mel's fault!
>
>
> From: munkeyman63au
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
> As far as i can recall you are the person who has been saying it is an intelligent movie for a long time now.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.
>
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Group: potadg Message: 61022 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/27/2012
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So now you are going to redefine what an intelligent movie is?

Ok it’s really important to you that it’s an intelligent movie.

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 2:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

  You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.

  I'm sure Einstein did stupid things, too.

  "Intelligent" doesn't mean perfect, it means...it means...

  Um, wait a minute, it's here somewhere...

  "displaying or characterized by quickness of understanding, sound thought, or good judgement"

 

  OK, they went out on a limb by doing a POTA movie without makeup or talking apes and made a friggin' fortune. That's good judgement.

  Sound thought. They thought about the sound! They had sound recorders, sound editors, sound mixers.

  Quickness of understanding. Caesar learns quickly.

  So there you go.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:41 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

Jeff – the flaws negate the intelligence.

Why does it have to be an intelligent movie for you?

It doesn’t make it more or less enjoyable.

What’s in it for you?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't

   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it

   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused

   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing

   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em

   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it

   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters

  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.

  

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is
pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal
breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists
who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that
were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
> Thanks
> Mel
>

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Group: potadg Message: 61023 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2012
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  No redefining necessary. An intelligent movie can have flaws. Why is it so important to you that it not be an intelligent movie?

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

So now you are going to redefine what an intelligent movie is?

Ok itÂ’s really important to you that itÂ’s an intelligent movie.


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 2:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.

  I'm sure Einstein did stupid things, too.

  "Intelligent" doesn't mean perfect, it means...it means...

  Um, wait a minute, it's here somewhere...

  "displaying or characterized by quickness of understanding, sound thought, or good judgement"

  OK, they went out on a limb by doing a POTA movie without makeup or talking apes and made a friggin' fortune. That's good judgement.

  Sound thought. They thought about the sound! They had sound recorders, sound editors, sound mixers.

  Quickness of understanding. Caesar learns quickly.

  So there you go.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:41 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Jeff – the flaws negate the intelligence.

Why does it have to be an intelligent movie for you?

It doesnÂ’t make it more or less enjoyable.

WhatÂ’s in it for you?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't

   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it

   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused

   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing

   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em

   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it

   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters

  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.

  

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab
realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't
"deal breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted
scientists who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012
10:34 PM
> To:
href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can
someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
>
Thanks
>
Mel
>

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Group: potadg Message: 61024 From: Sal & Mick Date: 1/27/2012
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Yeah Jeff it’s an intelligent movie……made tasty.

 

Like a donut is health food……made tasty.

 

In other words a donut is health food……….with all the healthy components removed to make it tasty.

 

In other words, a donut is NOT health food.

 

The use of word trickery is fine, just as long as you are talking to someone who lacks the intelligence to realize you are talking shit.

 

You are the one who started getting personal about this and using poor comparisons to “Beware the Beast” in a childish attempt to make a point.  As I pointed out, we don’t claim “Beware the Beast” is intelligent, so your comparison isn’t very intelligent and it doesn’t work.

 

“RISE” is only an intelligent movie if you complete the sentence with “THAT HAS HAD THE INTELLIGENCE COMPROMISED”.  This is like saying “Zero equals One”……you have to complete the sentence with “minus One”.  In other words it’s Zero, but if we use word trickery it’s something else.

 

“Rise” is an intelligent movie……….like Hitler was compassionate to Jews.  Finish the sentence Jeff.

 

Michael

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 1:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

  No redefining necessary. An intelligent movie can have flaws. Why is it so important to you that it not be an intelligent movie?

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:47 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

 

So now you are going to redefine what an intelligent movie is?

Ok it’s really important to you that it’s an intelligent movie.


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 2:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

  You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.

  I'm sure Einstein did stupid things, too.

  "Intelligent" doesn't mean perfect, it means...it means...

  Um, wait a minute, it's here somewhere...

  "displaying or characterized by quickness of understanding, sound thought, or good judgement"

  OK, they went out on a limb by doing a POTA movie without makeup or talking apes and made a friggin' fortune. That's good judgement.

  Sound thought. They thought about the sound! They had sound recorders, sound editors, sound mixers.

  Quickness of understanding. Caesar learns quickly.

  So there you go.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:41 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Jeff – the flaws negate the intelligence.

Why does it have to be an intelligent movie for you?

It doesn’t make it more or less enjoyable.

What’s in it for you?

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012 1:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

   You can poke holes in any movie you choose to. There's a lot that goes into movies, and problems like time limits, budget restrictions, etc. Sc-fi (and comedy) are hard. Enjoy them or don't. I can offer alternate descriptions that are just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof.

    a) who knows how many apes are in that facility? They don't show a role call.

    b) they escape through the roof because they're apes, they like to climb

    c) sometimes not a lot changes in 8 years. Their acknowledgement of the passage of time is the picture of Caesar in the Shakespeare book. The little girl got older

    d, e, o, p) Usually CG action goes overboard. It's not confined to "Rise".

   f) Buck gets shot; less believable is that Caesar doesn't

   g), h) they don't know the drug works until Will tells them he tried it on his father; then they fast track it

   I) he doesn't necessarily think it's real, he's exploring the place; plus he's nervous and confused

   j) it's controversial about apes and sign language; the writers did a lot of research. They know more about it then I do. But some have been taught sign language, and according to the writers apes have taught sign language to other apes

   k) I've already acknowledged the pregnancy thing

   l) too many apes: granted but you can't get a decent planet of the apes going without 'em

   m) Caesar's heighth: didn't bother me; they can cry over their Oscar that you called them on it

   n) yeah, the helicopter thing was pretty stupid, but not impossible; he's a big wig, convinced the guy; they blew their wad on apes, didn't have money for more helicopters

  q) you've never seen a street with one trash can out? Some people do it early; lots of people put them in the road

   r) Caesar wasn't studying his birthmark, he was studying himself. Why is he different? (Pinocchio story)

   Again, intelligent movie with flaws.

  

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

Not all plot holes but also stuff that is just plain stupid (definitely NOT intelligent):-

Way too many apes 'escape' compared to how many were in the ape facility.

They escape through the roof, why not just go out the front door?

No one in the whole movie ages or changes hairstyle etc. and bushes and trees don't grow but Caesar does.

The drug that makes them intelligent also seems to make some of them super strong (manhole tossing orangutan for one)

Buck the gorilla becomes super gorilla when he jumps at the helicopter, further than a gorilla could jump and he actually goes up when gravity would make him fall.

And whilst doing that he is repeatedly shot at from point blank range and every bullet misses him.

The original version of the drug is a dangerous failure so they fast track a new more aggressive version of it.

A drug giving Alzheimer's patients an extra five years of normal/better life is considered a failure.

A genius chimp can't tell the difference between a painted wall and the real sky.

How many apes have been taught to sign by someone at a circus?

No one realises that their star chimp (who should have been thoroughly monitored) is pregnant let alone has a baby in her cell that nobody notices (and the mess that goes with that.)

Way too many orangutans and gorillas to have been in captivity in the area, you'd be lucky to see that many together in the wild.

Adult Caesar's height changes to suit the scene he's in.

The cops only have one helicopter in the whole area (which they allow to be controlled by a civilian!)

The apes unrealistically leap like they're in a Burton re-imagining.

Broken glass doesn't cut or maim apes.

Only one family puts out their garbage bin on trash day and then they put it out on the road.

Caesar studies his birth mark in the mirror intently and then nothing is explained or made of it in the rest of the movie.

There are many more that I can't remember at the moment but I'm sure I will later and will add those. For me a lot of these things are deal breakers and I won't even mention all the references to the original POTA that really peed me off.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Why don't the experts at the lab realize their subject (Caesar's mom) is
pregnant? Why is Freida Pinto so clueless after 5 years (the director even mentions this on the DVD commentary)? Why don't people seem to age in 8 years? How can the apes jump through those high windows and survive (obviously the CG people showing off)? Why would they? Why do the apes like to jump through glass so much? Why do the cops suddenly disappear when they reach the red woods (there'd be a lot more than one helicopter)?
> I'm sure Neil can add to it. Like I've said, these aren't "deal
breakers" for me. No one said "Rise" is perfect, but they accomplished so much and made an intelligent movie (yes, I said it) and no one is going to convince me most of the POTA sequels we celebrate are better than "Rise".
> But some people have chosen to study plot holes. Yes, perverted scientists
who advance an insidious theory called "plothole-lution".
>
>
> From: chimel23@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
>
>
>
>
> Can someone post or offlist-mail a page on what the plot holes were that
were so big? I think we've been over a few, but I'm still not sure what all of them were that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not certain why, either.
>
> Thanks
> Mel
>

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I wouldn't take it to heart, I'm assuming that Jeff was attempting to be funny when he blamed you, at least one would hope so.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to start anything, honest. And was frustrated at myself for not picking up easier on the stuff on that plot holes site.
>
> I go with whoever said 'intelligent with flaws', but we're each entitled to our own opinion...we'll likely have to agree to disagree.
>
> Mel
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Michael was the one complaining that critics were calling it intelligent. I just responded and you guys made a court case out of it.
> > Mostly this started when Mel asked about the plot holes. It's Mel's fault!
> >
> >
> > From: munkeyman63au
> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:36 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as i can recall you are the person who has been saying it is an intelligent movie for a long time now.
> >
> > Neil T.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You're the one who brought up "intelligent", not me.
> >
>
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I have a theory, maybe it's because in the US, as we know, they dumbed down the trailers for Rise so when people went and saw it they found it to be more intelligent than they had been lead to expect? Whereas overseas they used the more 'intelligent' trailers and people like me were expecting a much more intelligent movie? I don't know, it's got me puzzled.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
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> So now you are going to redefine what an intelligent movie is?
>
> Ok it's really important to you that it's an intelligent movie.
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  It was a good movie that entertained and moved people. There's no mystery about it.
  You guys can hate it all you want. "Rise" won, and POTA fans won because POTA is back.
  Intelligent POTA.

Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gooo WETA

 

I have a theory, maybe it's because in the US, as we know, they dumbed down the trailers for Rise so when people went and saw it they found it to be more intelligent than they had been lead to expect? Whereas overseas they used the more 'intelligent' trailers and people like me were expecting a much more intelligent movie? I don't know, it's got me puzzled.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> So now you are going to
redefine what an intelligent movie is?
>
> Ok it's really important
to you that it's an intelligent movie.

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Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:

 

Beware The Beast 'Redux'  folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.

 

A couple more to come

 

 

Neil T. Foster

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>

> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving

> your feedback - good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we'd really

> like to know if it was worthwhile.

>

>

> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a

> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing

> com[parisons?

>

>

> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

>

> Michael

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Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:

 

Beware The Beast 'Redux'  folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.

 

One more to come

 

 

Neil T. Foster

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>

> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving

> your feedback - good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we'd really

> like to know if it was worthwhile.

>

>

> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a

> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing

> com[parisons?

>

>

> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

>

> Michael

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Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:

 

Beware The Beast 'Redux'  folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.

 

Final one for now.

 

 

Neil T. Foster

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>

> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving

> your feedback - good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we'd really

> like to know if it was worthwhile.

>

>

> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a

> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing

> com[parisons?

>

>

> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

>

> Michael

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