--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> and POTA fans won because POTA is back.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:

> PS: Exactly when was the original Beware created? What year?
>
> Dario

>
> I have a theory, maybe it's because in the US, as we know, they dumbed down the trailers for Rise so when people went and saw it they found it to be more intelligent than they had been lead to expect? Whereas overseas they used the more 'intelligent' trailers and people like me were expecting a much more intelligent movie? I don't know, it's got me puzzled.
>

>
>
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:50 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] On a completely different topic.....
>
>
> Then I guess you're right and the people who felt it was intelligent were wrong. We stand corrected.
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The U.S. got the same trailers as everyone else, which pretty much spelled out the movie. And anyway, the movie did better "overseas" than in the U.S. Burton's did better in the U.S. "Rise" did great in Australia, so I don't see what the trailer issue has to do with anything.
> Whether "Rise" is an "intelligent" film or not, it's a good POTA film so I don't understand all the hatred on a POTA "group". You guys can watch Burton's film or "Battle" any time you want. We haven't taken them away from you. : )

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> But to throw away a good movie by slow motioning it to death and whining about every little thing is not intelligent to me.

>
>
> Whether "Rise" is an "intelligent" film or not, it's a good POTA film so I don't understand all the hatred on a POTA "group".

> You guys can watch Burton's film or "Battle" any time you want. We haven't taken them away from you. : )
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> It got different trailers at the time. I remember comments on these groups about them and how the US ones had been dumbed down and you even commented on them, of that I'm sure. The whole just using lines like 'we call it the cure' thing.

>
> Or maybe I'm not so sure after all! Just went looking for that thread and can't find it so it must have been on another group or forum but I definitely remember discussions about the different trailers somewhere at the time.
>

>
> You don't hate the Burton film? Who let THIS guy in here?! >: (
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Just don't mention the cricket! :-)

> To me it's not a POTA film in the sense that to me it has absolutely
> nothing to do with the classic POTA movies/timeline apart from the appalling
> nods/homages and the use of Caesar for the main ape's name. Shouldn't have
> done it, should have been it's own version of POTA not part of the 'Old POTA'
> in my opinion.
>

> The director also says it ties in with PLANET which surely cannot be
> intelligent because it cannot be POSSIBLE!

> I am not going to like something that I think is shit just because it has
> Planet of the Apes in the title or it makes POTA popular again. Same goes
> for comics, books and all the rest.

You are welcome Jeff.

 

We would love honest feedback – if you think it's more or less intelligent, please let us know.

 

Personally, I'm just responding to the 3 most professional feedback we received.  I'm too close to say if it's improved, worsened or so close it's no different.

 

The big criticism was we needed to differentiate between Gideon's voice and the commentary.  IN a way I think this is dumbing it down or "spoonfeeding" the reader but I do think it flows better now and really that's what speech bubbles and thought bubbles are for….

 

The outcome we seek is the best possible comic to offer for official publication and this is our response to the feedback of 3 comic professionals.

 

Please let us know what you think.

 

Michael

 

 

---

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1

 

 

 

 

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:25 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1 Attachment]

 

  Thank you.

 

From: Neil T. Foster

Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:47 PM

To: PotaDG

Subject: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1 Attachment]

 

 

Here's a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I've uploaded them to the Files section as well:

 

Beware The Beast 'Redux'  folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.

 

A couple more to come

 

<image001.jpg>

 

Neil T. Foster

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>  

> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving

> your feedback - good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we'd really

> like to know if it was worthwhile.

>

> 

>

> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a

> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing

> com[parisons?

>

> 

>

> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

>

> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>
> While some of the original banner text can be converted to speech bubbles, some of it becomes awkward when converted to speech bubbles coming from Gideon. Does Gideon really have to "say" some of those things out loud? Especially when surrounded by nothing but 'dumb' humans. Some of it just didn't feel as if he would say it out loud and were probably best left as 'thought' banners. (Don't have my copy with me right now so I can't give exact examples.)
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Dario
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You are welcome Jeff.
> >
> >
> >
> > We would love honest feedback â€" if you think it’s more or less intelligent, please let us know.
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, I’m just responding to the 3 most professional feedback we received. I’m too close to say if it’s improved, worsened or so close it’s no different.
> >
> >
> >
> > The big criticism was we needed to differentiate between Gideon’s voice and the commentary. IN a way I think this is dumbing it down or “spoonfeeding” the reader but I do think it flows better now and really that’s what speech bubbles and thought bubbles are for….
> >
> >
> >
> > The outcome we seek is the best possible comic to offer for official publication and this is our response to the feedback of 3 comic professionals.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let us know what you think.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> > Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:26 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff K.
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:25 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Neil T. Foster
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:47 PM
> >
> > To: PotaDG
> >
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:
> >
> >
> >
> > Beware The Beast 'Redux' folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.
> >
> >
> >
> > A couple more to come
> >
> >
> >
> > <image001.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil T. Foster
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving
> >
> > > your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and we'd really
> >
> > > like to know if it was worthwhile.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a
> >
> > > post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing
> >
> > > com[parisons?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:31:04 +0000, munkeyman63au wrote:
> One reason for the speech bubbles is to separate what Gideon is
> thinking and what the narrator is saying. Whilst I agree it sometimes
> could seem odd for him to be saying something he could be thinking,
> if
> he didn't it would mean a comic full of thought balloons which I for
> one wanted to avoid. Plus people (and talking apes as well I guess)
> do
> talk out loud to themselves and 'think out loud' as well. I know I
> do.
>
> One of the biggest gripes at the time of the original release was the
> confusion between narrator and character, due to anything Gideon
> thought/said being visually the same as what is being narrated as it
> was all in the same word banner thingies.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>>
>> While some of the original banner text can be converted to speech
>> bubbles, some of it becomes awkward when converted to speech bubbles
>> coming from Gideon. Does Gideon really have to "say" some of those
>> things out loud? Especially when surrounded by nothing but 'dumb'
>> humans. Some of it just didn't feel as if he would say it out loud and
>> were probably best left as 'thought' banners. (Don't have my copy with
>> me right now so I can't give exact examples.)
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > You are welcome Jeff.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We would love honest feedback â€" if you think it’s more or less
>> intelligent, please let us know.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally, I’m just responding to the 3 most professional
>> feedback we received. I’m too close to say if it’s improved,
>> worsened or so close it’s no different.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The big criticism was we needed to differentiate between
>> Gideon’s voice and the commentary. IN a way I think this is dumbing
>> it down or “spoonfeeding†the reader but I do think it flows better
>> now and really that’s what speech bubbles and thought bubbles are
>> for….
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The outcome we seek is the best possible comic to offer for
>> official publication and this is our response to the feedback of 3
>> comic professionals.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please let us know what you think.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
>> Behalf Of Jeff K.
>> > Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:26 PM
>> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference
>> #1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Jeff K.
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:25 PM
>> >
>> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference
>> #1 [1 Attachment]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Neil T. Foster
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:47 PM
>> >
>> > To: PotaDG
>> >
>> > Subject: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1
>> Attachment]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus
>> I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Beware The Beast 'Redux' folder in the Comics folder in the Files
>> section.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A couple more to come
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <image001.jpg>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Neil T. Foster
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > It would be great of people could just spend a short time
>> looking and giving
>> >
>> > > your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and
>> we'd really
>> >
>> > > like to know if it was worthwhile.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time,
>> sent in a
>> >
>> > > post to the group, showing the original and the redux and
>> discussing
>> >
>> > > com[parisons?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Dario Sciola < darios@...> wrote:

Oh I understand the reasons you did it and the complaint was probably a
valid one for some readers (although I did not have a problem with the
original myself. But could you not have used banners for narration,
speech bubbles for speech, and thought bubbles for thoughts? Here is an
example of what I mean by 'speech' vs 'thought' bubbles:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uhYh0-SjzGo/TFZNcIroXvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/jsEMYG7Tf4Y/s1600/thought+Bubble+%5BConverted%5D.jpg

Sorry, I don't know the comic biz nomenclature for these things.

Dario

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:31:04 +0000, munkeyman63au wrote:
> One reason for the speech bubbles is to separate what Gideon is
> thinking and what the narrator is saying. Whilst I agree it sometimes
> could seem odd for him to be saying something he could be thinking,
> if
> he didn't it would mean a comic full of thought balloons which I for
> one wanted to avoid. Plus people (and talking apes as well I guess)
> do
> talk out loud to themselves and 'think out loud' as well. I know I
> do.
>
> One of the biggest gripes at the time of the original release was the
> confusion between narrator and character, due to anything Gideon
> thought/said being visually the same as what is being narrated as it
> was all in the same word banner thingies.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>>
>> While some of the original banner text can be converted to speech
>> bubbles, some of it becomes awkward when converted to speech bubbles
>> coming from Gideon. Does Gideon really have to "say" some of those
>> things out loud? Especially when surrounded by nothing but 'dumb'
>> humans. Some of it just didn't feel as if he would say it out loud and
>> were probably best left as 'thought' banners. (Don't have my copy with
>> me right now so I can't give exact examples.)
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > You are welcome Jeff.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We would love honest feedback â€" if you think it’s more or less
>> intelligent, please let us know.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally, I’m just responding to the 3 most professional
>> feedback we received. I’m too close to say if it’s improved,
>> worsened or so close it’s no different.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The big criticism was we needed to differentiate between
>> Gideon’s voice and the commentary. IN a way I think this is dumbing
>> it down or “spoonfeeding†the reader but I do think it flows better
>> now and really that’s what speech bubbles and thought bubbles are
>> for….
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The outcome we seek is the best possible comic to offer for
>> official publication and this is our response to the feedback of 3
>> comic professionals.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please let us know what you think.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Jeff K.
>> > Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 12:26 PM
>> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference
>> #1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Jeff K.
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:25 PM
>> >
>> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference
>> #1 [1 Attachment]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Neil T. Foster
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:47 PM
>> >
>> > To: PotaDG
>> >
>> > Subject: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #1 [1
>> Attachment]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here’s a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus
>> I’ve uploaded them to the Files section as well:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Beware The Beast 'Redux' folder in the Comics folder in the Files
>> section.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A couple more to come
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <image001.jpg>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Neil T. Foster
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > It would be great of people could just spend a short time
>> looking and giving
>> >
>> > > your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and
>> we'd really
>> >
>> > > like to know if it was worthwhile.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time,
>> sent in a
>> >
>> > > post to the group, showing the original and the redux and
>> discussing
>> >
>> > > com[parisons?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>

> ------------------------------------

>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/

> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

It is much clearer now, Neil, as to what he's thinking or saying vs. "narration"..

nice job!!

---

From: Neil T. Foster <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:52 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #3 [1 Attachment]

 

Here's a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I've uploaded them to the Files section as well:

 

Beware The Beast 'Redux'  folder in the Comics folder in the Files section.

 

Final one for now.

 

<image001.jpg>

 I 

Neil T. Foster

 

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>

> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking and giving

> your feedback - good or bad.  This took a lot of hard work and we'd really

> like to know if it was worthwhile.

>

> 

>

> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time, sent in a

> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and discussing

> com[parisons?

>

> 

>

> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?

>

> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> But could you not have used banners for narration,
> speech bubbles for speech, and thought bubbles for thoughts? Here is an
> example of what I mean by 'speech' vs 'thought' bubbles:
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uhYh0-SjzGo/TFZNcIroXvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/jsEMYG7Tf4Y/s1600/thought+Bubble+%5BConverted%5D.jpg

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:

This is exactly what we've done with the new version so I really don't understand this comment.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
> But could you not have used banners for narration,
> speech bubbles for speech, and thought bubbles for thoughts? Here is an
> example of what I mean by 'speech' vs 'thought' bubbles:
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uhYh0-SjzGo/TFZNcIroXvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/jsEMYG7Tf4Y/s1600/thought+Bubble+%5BConverted%5D.jpg

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:34:35 +0000, munkeyman63au wrote:
> This is exactly what we've done with the new version so I really
> don't understand this comment.
>
> Neil T.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>> But could you not have used banners for narration,
>> speech bubbles for speech, and thought bubbles for thoughts? Here
>> is an
>> example of what I mean by 'speech' vs 'thought' bubbles:
>>
>> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uhYh0-SjzGo/TFZNcIroXvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/jsEMYG7Tf4Y/s1600/thought+Bubble+%5BConverted%5D.jpg
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:39:16 +1000, Sal & Mick wrote:
> Yeah I struggled with some of these too - it wasn't easy!
>
> I did think though, that if I were lost in the middle of the desert I
> might say to myself "Right, you're lost in the middle of nowhere, no
> idea where you are….now what?" and I think because of the space
> restrictions we went the way we did with that text.
>
> I think I also suggested to Neil we leave it BLANK but he correctly
> said it needed something there (Neil?).
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Keep it coming….
>
> Michael
>
> -------------------------
>
> FROM: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] ON
> BEHALF
> OF Dario
> SENT: Tuesday, 31 January 2012 11:35 AM
> TO: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> SUBJECT: Re: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #3
>
> I think that second panel is an example of what I was talling about.
> "I have no idea where I am." just doesn't sound like something
> someone
> would say out loud. I prefered the old version of that panel much
> more. To me, those sentiments are best expressed in the narative. But
> maybe that's just me.
>
> Dario
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:23 AM, "Tim "apefan"" wrote:
>
>> It is much clearer now, Neil, as to what he's thinking or saying vs.
>> "narration"..
>>
>> nice job!!
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> FROM: Neil T. Foster
>> TO: PotaDG
>> SENT: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:52 PM
>> SUBJECT: [PotaDG] Beware The Beast Redux Spot-The-Difference #3 [1
>> Attachment]
>>
>> Here's a side by side comparison of an old and a new page plus I've
>> uploaded them to the Files section as well:
>>
>> Beware The Beast 'Redux' [3] folder in the Comics folder in the
>> Files section.
>>
>> Final one for now.
>>
>> I
>>
>> NEIL T. FOSTER
>>
>> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [4], "Sal & Mick" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It would be great of people could just spend a short time looking
>> and giving
>>
>>> your feedback - good or bad. This took a lot of hard work and we'd
>> really
>>
>>> like to know if it was worthwhile.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Neil - do we have the technology to maybe do a page at a time,
>> sent in a
>>
>>> post to the group, showing the original and the redux and
>> discussing
>>
>>> com[parisons?
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
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>>> Maybe if we do this every couple of days it would be better?
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>>> Michael
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