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Group: potadg Message: 61232 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
Group: potadg Message: 61233 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Disney's Chimpanzee.....Goodall approved!
Group: potadg Message: 61234 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
Group: potadg Message: 61235 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
Group: potadg Message: 61236 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Disney's Chimpanzee.....Goodall approved!
Group: potadg Message: 61237 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
Group: potadg Message: 61238 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Should Mark Ruffalo have starred in "Rise"?
Group: potadg Message: 61239 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Should Mark Ruffalo have starred in "Rise"?
Group: potadg Message: 61240 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: "The Forbidden Zine"
Group: potadg Message: 61241 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "The Forbidden Zine"
Group: potadg Message: 61242 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61243 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61244 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61245 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61246 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61247 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61248 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61249 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: Joe Letteri talks Oscars
Group: potadg Message: 61250 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/26/2012
Subject: The Oscar is dead. Long live the KING!
Group: potadg Message: 61251 From: Neil Moxham Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61252 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
Group: potadg Message: 61253 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: "Rise" of the Saturn Awards
Group: potadg Message: 61254 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: R.I.P. "Conquest" cinematographer
Group: potadg Message: 61255 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61256 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Neilrrific
Group: potadg Message: 61257 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61258 From: Tim Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61259 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61260 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61261 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61262 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61263 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/3/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61264 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
Group: potadg Message: 61265 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61266 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61267 From: Blam Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61268 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/4/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61269 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61270 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61271 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61272 From: Graham Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61273 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61274 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61275 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61276 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61277 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/5/2012
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
Group: potadg Message: 61278 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Ape Trek
Group: potadg Message: 61279 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/6/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61280 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: POTA marathon pics
Group: potadg Message: 61281 From: Dario Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: POTA marathon pics
Group: potadg Message: 61282 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Anniversary Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61283 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61284 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: trailer for Paul Williams doc
Group: potadg Message: 61285 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/8/2012
Subject: Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc
Group: potadg Message: 61286 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc
Group: potadg Message: 61287 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/9/2012
Subject: Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc
Group: potadg Message: 61288 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: (no subject)
Group: potadg Message: 61289 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61290 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/11/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61291 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/12/2012
Subject: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61292 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61293 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61294 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61295 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61296 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61297 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61298 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61299 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61300 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61301 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61302 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Exile preview
Group: potadg Message: 61303 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Paul Williams doc in theaters in June
Group: potadg Message: 61304 From: Chris Hight Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61305 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Still funny!
Group: potadg Message: 61306 From: Dario Date: 3/14/2012
Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
Group: potadg Message: 61307 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2012
Subject: The road to POTA2001
Group: potadg Message: 61308 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
Subject: Caesar figure
Group: potadg Message: 61309 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/19/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61310 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/20/2012
Subject: OT: former POTA producer James Cameron in deep
Group: potadg Message: 61311 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61312 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61313 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61314 From: Dario Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61315 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61316 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/22/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61317 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/23/2012
Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
Group: potadg Message: 61318 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: OT: Cameron hits bottom
Group: potadg Message: 61319 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: "Empire" Magazine Awards a wash
Group: potadg Message: 61320 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/25/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61321 From: Patrick Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61322 From: atragon1@aol.com Date: 3/28/2012
Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
Group: potadg Message: 61323 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/29/2012
Subject: More apes go BOOM!
Group: potadg Message: 61324 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Re: [pota] More apes go BOOM!
Group: potadg Message: 61325 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: chimps teaching their young to communicate
Group: potadg Message: 61326 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/30/2012
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 61327 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/31/2012
Subject: Toyz 2 Men
Group: potadg Message: 61328 From: Sal & Mick Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: TerrorFYING!
Group: potadg Message: 61329 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: TerrorFYING!
Group: potadg Message: 61330 From: Jeff K. Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: TerrorFYING!
Group: potadg Message: 61331 From: Jeff K. Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Reading the tea leaves for "Rise 2"



Group: potadg Message: 61232 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
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  Things seem to have gone smoothly for the Oscars after installing new producers and Billy Crystal. But one speed bump has been the Sacha Baron Cohen controversy. When the Academy heard he was going to walk the red carpet as "The Dictator", the title character of his new movie, they banned him from the ceremony (he is in the multi-nominated "Hugo"). In response, he has made this video. In addition to listing other indignities, he also bemoans the lack of nominations for "Planet".
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61233 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Disney's Chimpanzee.....Goodall approved!
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Group: potadg Message: 61234 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
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Oh dear!

Planet of the RAPES!

 

Please tell me you aren’t taking this seriously Jeff!  :-0

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 6:03 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

 

  Things seem to have gone smoothly for the Oscars after installing new producers and Billy Crystal. But one speed bump has been the Sacha Baron Cohen controversy. When the Academy heard he was going to walk the red carpet as "The Dictator", the title character of his new movie, they banned him from the ceremony (he is in the multi-nominated "Hugo"). In response, he has made this video. In addition to listing other indignities, he also bemoans the lack of nominations for "Planet".

 

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Group: potadg Message: 61235 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
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  No I'm not.   : o

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

Oh dear!

Planet of the RAPES!

Please tell me you aren’t taking this seriously Jeff!  :-0


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 6:03 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

  Things seem to have gone smoothly for the Oscars after installing new producers and Billy Crystal. But one speed bump has been the Sacha Baron Cohen controversy. When the Academy heard he was going to walk the red carpet as "The Dictator", the title character of his new movie, they banned him from the ceremony (he is in the multi-nominated "Hugo"). In response, he has made this video. In addition to listing other indignities, he also bemoans the lack of nominations for "Planet".

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Group: potadg Message: 61236 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Disney's Chimpanzee.....Goodall approved!
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  One ape movie at a time. We've an Oscar to win, sir.

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:58 PM
To: POTA ; POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] Disney's Chimpanzee.....Goodall approved!

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Group: potadg Message: 61237 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Re: Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"
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Phew!

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 11:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

 

  No I'm not.   : o

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:39 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

 

Oh dear!


Planet of the RAPES!

Please tell me you aren’t taking this seriously Jeff!  :-0


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 6:03 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sacha Baron Cohen's Oscar screed for "Planet"

 

  Things seem to have gone smoothly for the Oscars after installing new producers and Billy Crystal. But one speed bump has been the Sacha Baron Cohen controversy. When the Academy heard he was going to walk the red carpet as "The Dictator", the title character of his new movie, they banned him from the ceremony (he is in the multi-nominated "Hugo"). In response, he has made this video. In addition to listing other indignities, he also bemoans the lack of nominations for "Planet".

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Group: potadg Message: 61238 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/24/2012
Subject: Should Mark Ruffalo have starred in "Rise"?
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  Some people are under the impression that the human characters in "Rise of the POTA" are the weak link. Probably. But I don't blame the actors. It was more the roles they were given and where the director and writers chose to focuse their attention (the director said as much in his DVD commentary, that he concentrated on the ape story). The humans were written more as sign posts for the story. I think it had a good cast.
  But would it have been a better movie with different actors? I guess we'll never know, but Movieline speculates in a thoughtful article that the ticket might have been Mark Ruffalo instead of James Franco in the key role of Will. I guess we'll get a chance to judge for ourselves when Ruffalo plays one of the most famous sci-fi scientists of all, the Incredible Hulk in this summer's "The Avengers".
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61239 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: Should Mark Ruffalo have starred in "Rise"?
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I think it should have been a more mature and proven actor.  Kevin Spacey, Lithgow himself.  Yet again, FOX ruined this by casting someone for the teenage population.

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 2:23 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Should Mark Ruffalo have starred in "Rise"?

 

 

  Some people are under the impression that the human characters in "Rise of the POTA" are the weak link. Probably. But I don't blame the actors. It was more the roles they were given and where the director and writers chose to focuse their attention (the director said as much in his DVD commentary, that he concentrated on the ape story). The humans were written more as sign posts for the story. I think it had a good cast.

  But would it have been a better movie with different actors? I guess we'll never know, but Movieline speculates in a thoughtful article that the ticket might have been Mark Ruffalo instead of James Franco in the key role of Will. I guess we'll get a chance to judge for ourselves when Ruffalo plays one of the most famous sci-fi scientists of all, the Incredible Hulk in this summer's "The Avengers".

 

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Group: potadg Message: 61240 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: "The Forbidden Zine"
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Whitty/Neil: Are there any plans for a second issue of "The Forbidden
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Group: potadg Message: 61241 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "The Forbidden Zine"
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Hi Mike

 

Yes, we will be doing more issues.

 

The trouble is, Neil is currently being paid to do work for a “Pulp Fiction” magazine and he has no spare time to finish Chapter 2 of BEGINS.

 

We have finished the back story, but we have also got the next 8 pages of the main story written and I want it complete before we print #2.

 

We have also decide to offer a variety of formats – there will be the deluxe full colour format, but that will be through and on-line publisher for people to order as they will.  I list about $500 on issue #1 and while I was willing to do so, in order to get the nicest looking Fanzine apedom has seen, it won’t happen again.

 

We will do a run of colour covered B&W and a budget all B&W, as well as offering a web only version for about $5.

 

So I imagine it’s time to pucker up and start covering Neil’s bottom in praise and adoration if you want it quick!  J

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2012 5:37 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "The Forbidden Zine"

 

 

Whitty/Neil: Are there any plans for a second issue of "The Forbidden
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Group: potadg Message: 61242 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61243 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

 

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Group: potadg Message: 61244 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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  Liar! Traitor!

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

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Group: potadg Message: 61245 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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Just traitor!  J    xoxoxox

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

  Liar! Traitor!

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

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Group: potadg Message: 61246 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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  May the Lawgiver have mercy on you. But he won't!   >: (
  A lobotomy would make better use of your brain if you're going to use it such a way.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Just traitor!  J    xoxoxox


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  Liar! Traitor!

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

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Group: potadg Message: 61247 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/25/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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Hehehe!

 

I just purchased the lawgiver statue from that dude in LA!  So he’ll do what I say!

 

Having it shipped to Aus is going to be a bitch…..

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

  May the Lawgiver have mercy on you. But he won't!   >: (

  A lobotomy would make better use of your brain if you're going to use it such a way.

 

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:14 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

Just traitor!  J    xoxoxox


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  Liar! Traitor!

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

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Group: potadg Message: 61248 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/25/2012
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  The spirit of the Lawgiver lives! We are still Oscar's chosen. "Hugo" is a vision...and it is a LIE!
 

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Hehehe!

I just purchased the lawgiver statue from that dude in LA!  So he’ll do what I say!

Having it shipped to Aus is going to be a bitch…..

Michael


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  May the Lawgiver have mercy on you. But he won't!   >: (

  A lobotomy would make better use of your brain if you're going to use it such a way.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:14 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Just traitor!  J    xoxoxox


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 2:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  Liar! Traitor!

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

Hate to say it Jeff but I think HUGO will win (easily).


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is still the frontrunner to win the Best Visual FX Oscar, despite recent momentum from "Harry Potter" (which won the BAFTA and might get rewarded for the franchise) and "Hugo" (which has history on it's side as a Best Picture Nominee, among others). It all comes down to Sunday. Just sayin'.

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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Joe Letteri talks Oscars

  If "Rise of the POTA" wins tonight, it will be Joe Letteri's personal 5th Oscar as FX supervisor for Weta Digital (he's won for "The Two Towers", "Return of the King", "King Kong" and "Avatar"). But he acknowledges it's tough competition and doesn't just assume he'll win: "All the work was really good. With "Hugo", the train; and in "The Transformers", the robots...People vote for what they see, and all the movies did well".
  His co-nominees for "Rise", Dan Lemmon, R. Christopher White and Daniel Barrett, are all first-timers. Good luck, gentlemen.
 
 
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  We should let 'em all die, "Hugo", every last...
  This is what it comes to. It's time it was finished. FINISHED!
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Group: potadg Message: 61251 From: Neil Moxham Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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What statue/size is it?


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> I just purchased the lawgiver statue from that dude in LA! So he'll do what
> I say!
>
>
>
> Having it shipped to Aus is going to be a bitch...
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
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Group: potadg Message: 61252 From: Sal & Mick Date: 2/28/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"
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THE statue (I was lying!)

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 11:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" vs. "Harry" vs. "Hugo"

 

 

What statue/size is it?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

>
> I just purchased the lawgiver statue from that dude in LA! So he'll do
what
> I say!
>
>
>
> Having it shipped to Aus is going to be a bitch...
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>

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Subject: "Rise" of the Saturn Awards
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  The awards madness continues. "Rise of the POTA" got 5 Saturn Award nominations (half of what "Hugo" and "Harry Potter" got). These are specifically for science fiction, fantasy and horror. "Rise" is nominated for Best Science Fiction Film, Best Direction, Best Writing (that's what I said, did I stutter?), Best Supporting Actor (Andy Serkis) and Best FX.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61254 From: Jeff K. Date: 2/29/2012
Subject: R.I.P. "Conquest" cinematographer
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  Bruce Surtees, who photographed "Conquest of the POTA", well, 40 years ago, has died. He also did a lot of Clint Eastwood flicks.
 
 
 While we're at it, R.I.P. Davy Jones of "The Monkees". Because of their name and proximity to the POTA era it all kind of runs together. Like "Lancelot Link".
 But I shouldn't use the word "Monkee".
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Group: potadg Message: 61255 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/2/2012
Subject: And Now For Something Completelt Different......
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Attachments :
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    Go here…

     

    http://www.airship27.com/

     

    Scroll down….

     


                                Art by Neil T. Foster
    Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster.  Above is a sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story which kicks off the volume.  Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands.  Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year.  So do keep coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.

     

     

    .

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    Group: potadg Message: 61256 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/2/2012
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        Good work, Neil!

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 3:11 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Completelt Different......

       

      Go here…

      http://www.airship27.com/

      Scroll down….


                                  Art by Neil T. Foster
      Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster.  Above is a sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story which kicks off the volume.  Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands.  Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year.  So do keep coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 61257 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/3/2012
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      That art looks very good... Good deal on landing that gig...





      In a message dated 3/2/2012 5:12:41 PM Central Standard Time,
      smwhitty@... writes:


      > Go here…
      >
      > <A HREF="http://www.airship27.com/"> http://www.airship27.com/</A>
      >
      > Scroll down….
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61258 From: Tim Date: 3/3/2012
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      Awesome! Congrats Neil!!!!!
      Tim

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

       

      Go here…

       

      http://www.airship27.com/

       

      Scroll down….

       

      <image001.jpg>
                                  Art by Neil T. Foster
      Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster.  Above is a sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story which kicks off the volume.  Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands.  Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year.  So do keep coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.

       

       

      .

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      Group: potadg Message: 61259 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/3/2012
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      Congratulations, Neil!! That's most awesome.

      On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Tim <apefan23@...> wrote:

      Awesome! Congrats Neil!!!!!
      Tim

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Sal & Mick" < smwhitty@...> wrote:

      Go here…

      http://www.airship27.com/

      Scroll down….

      <image001.jpg>


      Art by Neil T. Foster
      Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster. Above is a sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story which kicks off the volume. Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands. Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year. So do keep coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.

      .

      =


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      Group: potadg Message: 61260 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/3/2012
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      http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.html"

       

      Neil – have you been told what Drew wants you to draw for this?

      Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 61261 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 3/3/2012
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      Congrats Neil!!! Very cool. I still prefer apes & monsters but I'm glad you've got a real gig.


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > Go here.
      >
      >
      >
      > http://www.airship27.com/
      >
      >
      >
      > Scroll down..
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Art by Neil T. Foster
      > Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this
      > terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster. Above is a
      > sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story
      > which kicks off the volume. Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the
      > Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands.
      > Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year. So do keep
      > coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this
      > stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > .
      >
      >
      > <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/msgId
      > =61253/stime=1330547811/nc1=3858795/nc2=5008814/nc3=3848621>
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61262 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/3/2012
      Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
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      From: Jeff K.
      Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....

        I'm not crazy about the title ("Death of the POTA") and it looks like it's been pushed back to 2013, which might be a big year for POTA (new movie, merchandising, Boulle's 50th).

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:26 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....

       

      http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.html"

      Neil – have you been told what Drew wants you to draw for this?

      Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 61263 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/3/2012
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      Very cool and great news. At first I thought that the comic was ready for purchase but it looks like its in the early stages. Any idea of when it will be ready?

      Congrats Neal.

      Dario

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:11:57 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Completelt Different......






      Go here…



      http://www.airship27.com/



      Scroll down….




      Art by Neil T. Foster
      Turning in his first illustration job for Airship 27 Productions on this terrific new gun-blasting anthology is artist Neil T. Foster. Above is a sample of his terrific work, an illustration from Derrick Ferguson's story which kicks off the volume. Needless to say, Art Director Rob Davis and the Air Chief both think we have as yet another fantastic winner on our hands. Just one of the many we hope to release throughout the year. So do keep coming back here, Loyal Airmen, because in all honesty, if you like this stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.







      .
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      Group: potadg Message: 61264 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/4/2012
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      It's not a comic it's a 4 story anthology and I provide 3 illustrations for each story.

      Not sure when it will be ready but I know it won't be until after I finish the pictures as they are the final thing that needs completing! So far I've only turned in the first 3 finished illo's and have penciled 2 of the second story's pictures, so still a while to go yet.

      Neil T.

      >Very cool and great news. At first I thought that the comic was ready for
      purchase but it looks like its in the early stages. Any idea of when it will be
      ready?

      Congrats Neal.

      Dario
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      Group: potadg Message: 61265 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/4/2012
      Subject: Re: And Now For Something Else....
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      The story sounds quite radical and a little bit controversial in places.
      The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario in his story synopsis?

      If anyone can pull it off though, it will be Drew. He's already shown what he can do with the marvelous Conspiracy.

      Neil T.


      > From: Jeff K.
      > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:07 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      >
      >
      > I'm not crazy about the title ("Death of the POTA") and it looks like it's been pushed back to 2013, which might be a big year for POTA (new movie, merchandising, Boulle's 50th).
      >
      >
      > From: Sal & Mick
      > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:26 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.html"
      >
      >
      > Neil - have you been told what Drew wants you to draw for this?
      >
      > Michael
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61266 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/4/2012
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        Sometimes you just have to let go and go ape. We've already had "Alien Nation" on the POTA so there's no going down any farther. I enjoyed "Conspiracy" but I didn't agree with everything. Just as I didn't agree with everything in the original movies. But I think Drew has some good ideas in his stories, and no one else has convinced Fox to publish new POTA stories in book form.

      Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:52 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: And Now For Something Else....

       

      The story sounds quite radical and a little bit controversial in places.
      The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario in his story synopsis?

      If anyone can pull it off though, it will be Drew. He's already shown what he can do with the marvelous Conspiracy.

      Neil T.

      >
      From: Jeff K.
      > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:07 AM
      > To:
      title="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      >
      >
      >
      I'm not crazy about the title ("Death of the POTA") and it looks like it's been pushed back to 2013, which might be a big year for POTA (new movie, merchandising, Boulle's 50th).
      >
      >
      > From: Sal & Mick
      > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:26 AM
      > To:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      >
      Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      href="http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.htmlquot;>http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.htmlbr>
      >
      >
      > Neil - have you been told what Drew wants you to draw for
      this?
      >
      > Michael
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61267 From: Blam Date: 3/4/2012
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      Hey Guys -

      All I can say is that in a teaser, things are not all they may seem - if I were to reveal the entire plot, and clarify the things that are controversy, you would most like state something to the effect of , "Ah, I see what you did there!" . But if iI explain it all now, then well, what's there to be excited about when it 's released?

      To recap the questions I see floating around:

      Neil has not received a test piece yet, as no art is being assigned until the Fall.

      The Korea thing comes from the Blu Ray ANSA reel -parts of which you will discover are true, parts of which you will see were lies to cover certain things up.

      It is also stated in Rich Handley's awesome reference books - which act as my bibles to all POTA WORK.

      I have stayed far away from fan theories when constructing this tale - and if you loved Conspiracy, you will love Death (wow that just sounds wrong).

      -Drew G.




      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > The story sounds quite radical and a little bit controversial in places.
      > The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario in his story synopsis?
      >
      > If anyone can pull it off though, it will be Drew. He's already shown what he can do with the marvelous Conspiracy.
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      >
      > > From: Jeff K.
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:07 AM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      > >
      > >
      > > I'm not crazy about the title ("Death of the POTA") and it looks like it's been pushed back to 2013, which might be a big year for POTA (new movie, merchandising, Boulle's 50th).
      > >
      > >
      > > From: Sal & Mick
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:26 AM
      > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PotaDG] And Now For Something Else....
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > http://theconspiracyapes.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/death-of-planet-of-apes-teased.html
      > >
      > >
      > > Neil - have you been told what Drew wants you to draw for this?
      > >
      > > Michael
      > >
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61268 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/4/2012
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      That's what I thought when I read that too... "Area 51" and all of that...




      In a message dated 3/4/2012 6:52:35 AM Central Standard Time,
      ntfoster@... writes:


      > The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious
      > and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been
      > working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario
      > in his story synopsis?

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      Group: potadg Message: 61269 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/5/2012
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      5th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).

       

      Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 61270 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/5/2012
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      Happy B'day mate!

      Thanks for clearing up the Pulp 'comic' format. Even if it only has a few pages of art, I'm still interested so be sure to let us know when it becomes available.

      Dario

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:53:12 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!






      5 th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).



      Michael
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      Group: potadg Message: 61271 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/5/2012
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        Happy Birthday Neil and congrats on the good stuff coming your way. You deserve it.

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 8:53 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!

       

      5th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).

      Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 61272 From: Graham Date: 3/5/2012
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      Happy, belated,  wishes Neil.

      (I've been off-line for the last few days:( 

      sorry I missed your B'day hope it was a good one)

      Best,Graham.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
      >
      > Happy B'day mate!
      >
      > Thanks for clearing up the Pulp 'comic' format. Even if it only has a few pages of art, I'm still interested so be sure to let us know when it becomes available.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Sal & Mick" smwhitty@...
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:53:12 AM
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > 5 th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61273 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/5/2012
      Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
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      Apey Birthday Neil. Hope you had a great day!!

      On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Graham <shop@...> wrote:

      Happy, belated, wishes Neil.

      (I've been off-line for the last few days:(

      sorry I missed your B'day hope it was a good one)

      Best,Graham.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
      >
      > Happy B'day mate!
      >
      > Thanks for clearing up the Pulp 'comic' format. Even if it only has a few pages of art, I'm still interested so be sure to let us know when it becomes available.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Sal & Mick" smwhitty@...
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:53:12 AM
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > 5 th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >


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      Group: potadg Message: 61274 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 3/5/2012
      Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
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      Happy birthday Neil, enjoy your belated birthday.

      Kevin 


      -----Original Message-----
      From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
      To: PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:13 pm
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!

       
      Apey Birthday Neil.  Hope you had a great day!!

      On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Graham <shop@...> wrote:
       
      Happy, belated,  wishes Neil.
      (I've been off-line for the last few days:( 
      sorry I missed your B'day hope it was a good one)
      Best,Graham.
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
      >
      > Happy B'day mate!
      >
      > Thanks for clearing up the Pulp 'comic' format. Even if it only has a few pages of art, I'm still interested so be sure to let us know when it becomes available.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Sal & Mick" smwhitty@...
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:53:12 AM
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > 5 th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61275 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/5/2012
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      Hope it was a good one Neil!!
      Tim


      From: "PofTAfan@..." <PofTAfan@...>
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 5:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!

       
      H appy birthday Neil, enjoy your belated birthday.

      Kevin 


      -----Original Message-----
      From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
      To: PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:13 pm
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Mr Foster!

       
      Apey Birthday Neil.  Hope you had a great day!!

      On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Graham <shop@... > wrote:
       
      Happy, belated,  wishes Neil.
      (I've been off-line for the last few days:( 
      sorry I missed your B'day hope it was a good one)
      Best,Graham.
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
      >
      > Happy B'day mate!
      >
      > Thanks for clearing up the Pulp 'comic' format. Even if it only has a few pages of art, I'm still interested so be sure to let us know when it becomes available.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Sal & Mick" smwhitty@...
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 11:53:12 AM
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Mr Foster!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > 5 th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the US/UK!).
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >



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      Group: potadg Message: 61276 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 3/5/2012
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      You're still my favorite Apes artist. Happy Birthday Neil!!


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > 5th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the
      > US/UK!).
      >
      >
      >
      > Michael
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61277 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/5/2012
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      Thanks everyone, much appreciated! Sheesh, yet another year older, where does it all go!?!

      Neil T

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "drzaiusdavis" <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:
      >
      > You're still my favorite Apes artist. Happy Birthday Neil!!
      >
      >
      > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@> wrote:
      > >
      > > 5th March (which has just passed here but is now just arriving in the
      > > US/UK!).
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael
      > >
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61278 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/6/2012
      Subject: Ape Trek
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           !
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61279 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/6/2012
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   Arthur P. Jacobs' Birthday
       
      Date:   Wednesday March 7, 2012
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday Arthur!
      (Producer: Planet of the Apes (1968)
      Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
      Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)
      Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
      Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
      Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved |
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      Group: potadg Message: 61280 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: POTA marathon pics
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      pics from the recent all day POTA marathon....from Lee Parmeter....is that you Kevin as Julius?

      http://www.filmfetish.com/2012/03/06/images-from-a-planet-of-the-apes-marathon-and-panel-event/

      Tim
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      Group: potadg Message: 61281 From: Dario Date: 3/7/2012
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      Thanks Tim. I really wanted to see what the attendees look like today. Not bad at all considering how long ago they were in the various POTA movies.

      Dario

      Sent from my iPad

      On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:17 PM, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

      pics from the recent all day POTA marathon....from Lee Parmeter....is that you Kevin as Julius?


      Tim
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      Group: potadg Message: 61282 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Anniversary Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   POTA Makeup Test
       
      Date:   Thursday March 8, 2012
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   On this day in 1966 the original Planet of the Apes Makeup test featuring Edward G. Robinson as Dr. Zaius was filmed, paving the way for the filming of the movie Planet of the Apes.
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
      Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved |
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      Group: potadg Message: 61283 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   Booth Coleman's Birthday
       
      Date:   Thursday March 8, 2012
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday Booth!
      (Zaius: Planet of the Apes TV series (1974))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
      Copyright © 2012  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved |
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      Group: potadg Message: 61284 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/8/2012
      Subject: trailer for Paul Williams doc
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      Group: potadg Message: 61285 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/8/2012
      Subject: Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc
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      Group: potadg Message: 61286 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/9/2012
      Subject: Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc
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      Haha...LOVE the very end! Kept wondering if they were gonna mention Virgil at all!
      WOuld love to see that whole interview.....maybe the Carson people will release it now...!
      Thanks Jeff!
      Tim


      From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:37 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc

       
       http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/watch-paul-williams-still-alive-trailer-makes-its-debut-on-the-eve-of-sxsw

      From: Jeff K.
      Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:30 PM
      Subject: trailer for Paul Williams doc

        Wait for it.
       
        http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/watch-paul


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      Group: potadg Message: 61287 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/9/2012
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        If they got the rights to the interview maybe they can put the whole thing as a DVD extra.

      Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:22 PM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc

       

      Haha...LOVE the very end! Kept wondering if they were gonna mention Virgil at all!
      WOuld love to see that whole interview.....maybe the Carson people will release it now...!
      Thanks Jeff!
      Tim


      From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:37 AM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: trailer for Paul Williams doc

       

      From: Jeff K.
      Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:30 PM
      Subject: trailer for Paul Williams doc

        Wait for it.
       
        http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/watch-paul


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      Group: potadg Message: 61288 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/11/2012
      Subject: (no subject)
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      a Mondo gallery showing....

      http://www.slashfilm.com/photos-mondo-opens-gallery-scifi-show-including-star-trek-dune-akira/
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      Group: potadg Message: 61289 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/11/2012
      Subject: Exile preview
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      http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732

      Enjoy!
      Tim
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      Group: potadg Message: 61290 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/11/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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      WOW!!!!   YAY!!!!!!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
      Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26 AM
      To: POTA; POTA DG
      Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview

       

       

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      Group: potadg Message: 61291 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/12/2012
      Subject: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
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       "Yeah. Me Tarzan, you Jane".  - - - Taylor to Nova, "Planet of the Apes"
       
        This year marks the 100th anniversaries of both "John Carter of Mars" and "Tarzan of the Apes", the one-two punch of writer Edgar Rice Burroughs. "John Carter" debuted in the story "Under the Moon of Mars" beginning in the February 1912 issue of "All-Story" magazine (the same month Pierre Boulle was born) and ran until July. It was soon published as the book "A Princess of Mars". Burroughs didn't invent science-fiction but it's possible he first popularized the "space opera" genre and was a big influence on "Star Wars", "Star Trek", "Avatar" and perhaps even POTA. Guys like Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Carl Sagan and many others were inspired by "John Carter".  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm79MK6oGr0    http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1219006p1.html"
        Of course a big, expensive "John Carter" movie just opened this weekend. I've seen it and it has it's moments of sci-fi fun but gets bogged down in explaining it's world. It can't get out of it's own way. That said, I enjoyed it on it's own terms and seeing a story brought to life that so many other movies have borrowed from. And I got a kick out of their use of Lake Powell as a location. Certain scenes will resonate with POTA fans, I think. With a $250 million + budget (presumably some of that was eating development costs from earlier attempts), confused marketing and well, some problems as a film, it's looking like it could be a big bomb and put risky sci-fi in the doghouse for a bit. But it did make an estimated $100 million worldwide this weekend so there's hope. Pixar genius and "John Carter" fan Andrew Stanton blew his wad getting this made and it's too bad it's not a better flick.
        After 100 years this is the first time it's reached the screen, not that they haven't tried (Burroughs himself asked Douglas Fairbanks to play John Carter in 1924). That's definitely not the case with Burroughs' most famous character, Tarzan, who has had a long career in movies and TV, starting in 1918 ("Tarzan of the Apes" debuted in the October 1912 "All-Story"; the publishers were so crazy about it they published the whole story in that issue).  And Warner Bros.  reportedly has another version up their sleeve ( http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=47856 ). In it's own way, "Tarzan" seems like a proto-POTA. The apes have something of a primitive civilization with their own language ("Tarzan" means "white skin" in Apespeak) and rituals. It's kind of interesting that Pierre Boulle and Tarzan were born the same year since POTA kinda takes "Tarzan" one step further. Burroughs was interested in evolution and what the concept of "civilization" means. And he certainly had a thing for apes, whether the armor-wearing gorillas in his "Pellucidar" series or even the white apes in "John Carter".
        Respect!
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61292 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Terror on the POTA in colour
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      Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-

      http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280

      Neil T.
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      Group: potadg Message: 61293 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
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      Good find Neil!  WOW!  Is that painted?

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 7:52 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Terror on the POTA in colour

       

       

      Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-

      http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280

      Neil T.

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      Group: potadg Message: 61294 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26 AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      > <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732> &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Enjoy!
      >
      > Tim
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61295 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
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      Yes it's done with watercolours, it mentions that in the description.

      Neil T.



      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > Good find Neil! WOW! Is that painted?
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
      > munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 7:52 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Terror on the POTA in colour
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page
      > coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the
      > whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-
      >
      > http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981
      > <http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280>
      > &GSub=125280
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61296 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
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      Uhhhh, yeah…..if you can READ!!!  J

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:01 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Terror on the POTA in colour

       

       

      Yes it's done with watercolours, it mentions that in the description.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > Good find Neil! WOW! Is that painted?
      >
      > Michael
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > munkeyman63au
      > Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 7:52 AM
      > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Terror on the POTA in colour
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page
      > coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the
      > whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-
      >
      > http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981
      > <
      href="http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280">http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280>
      > &GSub=125280
      >
      > Neil T.
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61297 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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      I know right?  The story for BETRAYAL was good too – not mind-blowing but really good.

       

      Looks like the writers are also on track for this one.

       

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

       

      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26 AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      > <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732>
      &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Enjoy!
      >
      > Tim
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61298 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/13/2012
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      PS if the main series is spinning the funds to justify the one-offs then I’ll keep buying it!!!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

       

      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26 AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      > <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732>
      &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Enjoy!
      >
      > Tim
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61299 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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      Well I'm one fan who has stopped wasting their money on it. Never thought I would ever stop buying a current POTA comic but I just can not stand the regular series and won't buy any more issues of it.

      Neil T.


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > PS if the main series is spinning the funds to justify the one-offs then I'll keep buying it!!!
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      Group: potadg Message: 61300 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/13/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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        I met the writer and artist of "Betrayal" (married couple). He (Gabriel Hardman) was offered the job doing the storyboards for the "Rise of the POTA" sequel but doesn't know if he'll have time (comics come first). But they are both big Apes fans and jumped at the chance to do the comics. And they wanted to do it in the era of the original movie.

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:22 PM
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      I know right?  The story for BETRAYAL was good too – not mind-blowing but really good.

      Looks like the writers are also on track for this one.

      Michael


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26
      AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview">http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      >
      <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732> &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      Enjoy!
      >
      > Tim
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61301 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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      Nice!

       

      Did you do an interview?

      Michael

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 2:11 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

       

        I met the writer and artist of "Betrayal" (married couple). He (Gabriel Hardman) was offered the job doing the storyboards for the "Rise of the POTA" sequel but doesn't know if he'll have time (comics come first). But they are both big Apes fans and jumped at the chance to do the comics. And they wanted to do it in the era of the original movie.

       

      From: Sal & Mick

      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:22 PM

      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

       

      I know right?  The story for BETRAYAL was good too – not mind-blowing but really good.

      Looks like the writers are also on track for this one.

      Michael


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 10:26 AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      > <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732>
      &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Enjoy!
      >
      > Tim
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61302 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Re: Exile preview
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        No. But he drew the gorilla with the eye patch for me.  : )

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:01 PM
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      Nice!

      Did you do an interview?

      Michael


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 2:11 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

        I met the writer and artist of "Betrayal" (married couple). He (Gabriel Hardman) was offered the job doing the storyboards for the "Rise of the POTA" sequel but doesn't know if he'll have time (comics come first). But they are both big Apes fans and jumped at the chance to do the comics. And they wanted to do it in the era of the original movie.

      From: Sal & Mick

      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:22 PM

      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      I know right?  The story for BETRAYAL was good too – not mind-blowing but really good.

      Looks like the writers are also on track for this one.

      Michael


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2012 8:00 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Exile preview

       

      This and the last mini series really do have some of the best POTA comic art ever. The story for Betrayal was superb too as I'm sure Exile will be as well if this preview is anything to go by. What a pity their main POTA title is so bad.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      >
      > WOW!!!! YAY!!!!!!
      >
      >
      >
      > _____
      >
      > From:
      href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > Tim "apefan"
      > Sent: Monday, 12 March
      2012 10:26 AM
      > To: POTA; POTA DG
      > Subject: [PotaDG] Exile
      preview
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview">http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview
      >
      <http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11732> &id=11732
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      Enjoy!
      >
      >
      Tim
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61303 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Paul Williams doc in theaters in June
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        The Paul ("Virgil") Williams revival has "only just begun". The documentary about him is scheduled to hit theaters in June (including a brand new Paul Williams song). He's working with Daft Punk, he's the prez of ASCAP... All that's missing is a "Rise 2" cameo.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61304 From: Chris Hight Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
      .html
      That is beautiful!

      --- On Tue, 3/13/12, munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      From: munkeyman63au <ntfoster@...>
      Subject: [PotaDG] Terror on the POTA in colour
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:51 PM

       
      Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-

      http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280

      Neil T.

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      Group: potadg Message: 61305 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Still funny!
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      Group: potadg Message: 61306 From: Dario Date: 3/14/2012
      Subject: Re: Terror on the POTA in colour
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      Great find Neal. I find it fascinating that he used just a few colours, and yet it looks just perfect. As you say, if only he could have coloured them all.

      Dario


      On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:51 PM, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

      > Well one page at least and no not the latest reprints. I found this page coloured by Mike Ploog as an experiment. If only he could have done the whole thing, how great would that have been! Check it out here:-
      >
      > http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=848981&GSub=125280
      >
      > Neil T.
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > To visit your group on the web, go to:
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61307 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/16/2012
      Subject: The road to POTA2001
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      From: Jeff K.
      Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 7:22 AM
      Subject: The road to POTA2001

        Here's a rundown of the development of POTA in the '90's, courtesy of the book "Tales From Development Hell".
       
       
       While we're at it, here's the trailer for Burton's latest, "Dark Shadows" (with Jackie Earle "Kraik" Haley).
       
       
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61308 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 3/17/2012
      Subject: Caesar figure
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      Group: potadg Message: 61309 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/19/2012
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   Frank Capra Jr.'s Birthday
       
      Date:   Tuesday March 20, 2012
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday Frank!
      (Associate producer: Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971),
      Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) &
      Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61310 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/20/2012
      Subject: OT: former POTA producer James Cameron in deep
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        James Cameron, who tried to get his own POTA going in the '90's and whose "Avatar" paved the way technologically for "Rise of the POTA", is diving into the deep end. Like the deepest spot in the ocean. Challenger Deep, in the Mariana Trench off the Philippines, has been visited by humans once before, in 1960. Other than that, Cameron will go deeper than anyone ever, 6.8 miles down. The dive is expected today, weather permitting. Cameron will scrunch into his one-man sub for 9 hours and take pretty pictures (3D, of course) and samples for the rest of us. When they nominated him for the big one, he couldn't turn it down.
        Good luck, Jim!
       
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61311 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/21/2012
      Subject: Birthday Reminder
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      Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
       
      Title:   M. Emmet Walsh's Birthday
       
      Date:   Thursday March 22, 2012
      Time:   All Day
      Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
      Notes:   Happy Birthday M!
      (General Winthrop's Aide: Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971))
       
      Yahoo! Greetings:   Send a Yahoo! Greeting
      Yahoo! Shopping:   Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61312 From: Neil Moxham Date: 3/22/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
      .html
      Plus, John Carter was Charlton Heston's real name. I'm surprised at you Jeff, missing a connection like that! ;)


      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > "Yeah. Me Tarzan, you Jane". - - - Taylor to Nova, "Planet of the Apes"
      >
      > This year marks the 100th anniversaries of both "John Carter of Mars" and "Tarzan of the Apes", the one-two punch of writer Edgar Rice Burroughs. "John Carter" debuted in the story "Under the Moon of Mars" beginning in the February 1912 issue of "All-Story" magazine (the same month Pierre Boulle was born) and ran until July. It was soon published as the book "A Princess of Mars". Burroughs didn't invent science-fiction but it's possible he first popularized the "space opera" genre and was a big influence on "Star Wars", "Star Trek", "Avatar" and perhaps even POTA. Guys like Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Carl Sagan and many others were inspired by "John Carter". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm79MK6oGr0 http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1219006p1.html"
      > Of course a big, expensive "John Carter" movie just opened this weekend. I've seen it and it has it's moments of sci-fi fun but gets bogged down in explaining it's world. It can't get out of it's own way. That said, I enjoyed it on it's own terms and seeing a story brought to life that so many other movies have borrowed from. And I got a kick out of their use of Lake Powell as a location. Certain scenes will resonate with POTA fans, I think. With a $250 million + budget (presumably some of that was eating development costs from earlier attempts), confused marketing and well, some problems as a film, it's looking like it could be a big bomb and put risky sci-fi in the doghouse for a bit. But it did make an estimated $100 million worldwide this weekend so there's hope. Pixar genius and "John Carter" fan Andrew Stanton blew his wad getting this made and it's too bad it's not a better flick.
      > After 100 years this is the first time it's reached the screen, not that they haven't tried (Burroughs himself asked Douglas Fairbanks to play John Carter in 1924). That's definitely not the case with Burroughs' most famous character, Tarzan, who has had a long career in movies and TV, starting in 1918 ("Tarzan of the Apes" debuted in the October 1912 "All-Story"; the publishers were so crazy about it they published the whole story in that issue). And Warner Bros. reportedly has another version up their sleeve ( http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=47856 ). In it's own way, "Tarzan" seems like a proto-POTA. The apes have something of a primitive civilization with their own language ("Tarzan" means "white skin" in Apespeak) and rituals. It's kind of interesting that Pierre Boulle and Tarzan were born the same year since POTA kinda takes "Tarzan" one step further. Burroughs was interested in evolution and what the concept of "civilization" means. And he certainly had a thing for apes, whether the armor-wearing gorillas in his "Pellucidar" series or even the white apes in "John Carter".
      > Respect!
      >
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      Group: potadg Message: 61313 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/22/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
      .html
      .html

      “John Carter” is getting some TERRIBLE reviews!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
      Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 8:17 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction

       

       

      Plus, John Carter was Charlton Heston's real name. I'm surprised at you Jeff, missing a connection like that! ;)

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

      >
      >
      > "Yeah. Me Tarzan, you Jane". - - -
      w:st="on">Taylor to Nova, "Planet of the Apes"
      >
      > This year marks the 100th anniversaries of both "John Carter of
      Mars" and "Tarzan of the Apes", the one-two punch of writer Edgar Rice Burroughs. "John Carter" debuted in the story "Under the Moon of Mars" beginning in the February 1912 issue of "All-Story" magazine (the same month Pierre Boulle was born) and ran until July. It was soon published as the book "A Princess of Mars". Burroughs didn't invent science-fiction but it's possible he first popularized the "space opera" genre and was a big influence on "Star Wars", "Star Trek", "Avatar" and perhaps even POTA. Guys like Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Carl Sagan and many others were inspired by "John Carter". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm79MK6oGr0 http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1219006p1.html"
      > Of course a big, expensive "John Carter" movie just opened this
      weekend. I've seen it and it has it's moments of sci-fi fun but gets bogged down in explaining it's world. It can't get out of it's own way. That said, I enjoyed it on it's own terms and seeing a story brought to life that so many other movies have borrowed from. And I got a kick out of their use of Lake Powell as a location. Certain scenes will resonate with POTA fans, I think. With a $250 million + budget (presumably some of that was eating development costs from earlier attempts), confused marketing and well, some problems as a film, it's looking like it could be a big bomb and put risky sci-fi in the doghouse for a bit. But it did make an estimated $100 million worldwide this weekend so there's hope. Pixar genius and "John Carter" fan Andrew Stanton blew his wad getting this made and it's too bad it's not a better flick.
      > After 100 years this is the first time it's reached the screen, not that
      they haven't tried (Burroughs himself asked Douglas Fairbanks to play John Carter in 1924). That's definitely not the case with Burroughs' most famous character, Tarzan, who has had a long career in movies and TV, starting in 1918 ("Tarzan of the Apes" debuted in the October 1912 "All-Story"; the publishers were so crazy about it they published the whole story in that issue). And Warner Bros. reportedly has another version up their sleeve ( http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=47856 ). In it's own way, "Tarzan" seems like a proto-POTA. The apes have something of a primitive civilization with their own language ("Tarzan" means "white skin" in Apespeak) and rituals. It's kind of interesting that Pierre Boulle and Tarzan were born the same year since POTA kinda takes "Tarzan" one step further. Burroughs was interested in evolution and what the concept of "civilization" means. And he certainly had a thing for apes, whether the armor-wearing gorillas in his "Pellucidar" series or even the white apes in "John Carter".
      > Respect!
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61314 From: Dario Date: 3/22/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
      .html
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      The reviews that count in my book, the reviews from people who all grew up reading all the books in the series, all seem to be unanimously in favor of the movie. I really want to see it. I would have gone already had not my own son betrayed me by going ahead and watching it with one of his friends already. Now I'll just wait until it comes out on DVD.

      Dario

      Sent from my iPad

      On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      "John Carter" is getting some TERRIBLE reviews!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
      Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 8:17 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction

       

       

      Plus, John Carter was Charlton Heston's real name. I'm surprised at you Jeff, missing a connection like that! ;)

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > "Yeah. Me Tarzan, you Jane". - - - Taylor to Nova, "Planet of the Apes"
      >
      > This year marks the 100th anniversaries of both "John Carter of Mars" and "Tarzan of the Apes", the one-two punch of writer Edgar Rice Burroughs. "John Carter" debuted in the story "Under the Moon of Mars" beginning in the February 1912 issue of "All-Story" magazine (the same month Pierre Boulle was born) and ran until July. It was soon published as the book "A Princess of Mars". Burroughs didn't invent science-fiction but it's possible he first popularized the "space opera" genre and was a big influence on "Star Wars", "Star Trek", "Avatar" and perhaps even POTA. Guys like Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Carl Sagan and many others were inspired by "John Carter". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm79MK6oGr0 http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1219006p1.html"
      > Of course a big, expensive "John Carter" movie just opened this weekend. I've seen it and it has it's moments of sci-fi fun but gets bogged down in explaining it's world. It can't get out of it's own way. That said, I enjoyed it on it's own terms and seeing a story brought to life that so many other movies have borrowed from. And I got a kick out of their use of Lake Powell as a location. Certain scenes will resonate with POTA fans, I think. With a $250 million + budget (presumably some of that was eating development costs from earlier attempts), confused marketing and well, some problems as a film, it's looking like it could be a big bomb and put risky sci-fi in the doghouse for a bit. But it did make an estimated $100 million worldwide this weekend so there's hope. Pixar genius and "John Carter" fan Andrew Stanton blew his wad getting this made and it's too bad it's not a better flick.
      > After 100 years this is the first time it's reached the screen, not that they haven't tried (Burroughs himself asked Douglas Fairbanks to play John Carter in 1924). That's definitely not the case with Burroughs' most famous character, Tarzan, who has had a long career in movies and TV, starting in 1918 ("Tarzan of the Apes" debuted in the October 1912 "All-Story"; the publishers were so crazy about it they published the whole story in that issue). And Warner Bros. reportedly has another version up their sleeve ( http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=47856 ). In it's own way, "Tarzan" seems like a proto-POTA. The apes have something of a primitive civilization with their own language ("Tarzan" means "white skin" in Apespeak) and rituals. It's kind of interesting that Pierre Boulle and Tarzan were born the same year since POTA kinda takes "Tarzan" one step further. Burroughs was interested in evolution and what the concept of "civilization" means. And he certainly had a thing for apes, whether the armor-wearing gorillas in his "Pellucidar" series or even the white apes in "John Carter".
      > Respect!
      >

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      Group: potadg Message: 61315 From: munkeyman63au Date: 3/22/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
      .html
      I've heard whispers that there are some very underhand tactics going on. Apparently certain companies that own other sci-fi franchises are doing all they can behind the scenes to have the movie portrayed as a flop. Allegedly they have been spreading lies about it so it doesn't have the chance to become a popular franchise that could affect the profits of their own. I have also heard from fans of the original Burroughs books that it is pretty damn good.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
      >
      > The reviews that count in my book, the reviews from people who all grew up reading all the books in the series, all seem to be unanimously in favor of the movie. I really want to see it. I would have gone already had not my own son betrayed me by going ahead and watching it with one of his friends already. Now I'll just wait until it comes out on DVD.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > Sent from my iPad
      >
      > On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > “John Carter” is getting some TERRIBLE reviews!
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      Group: potadg Message: 61316 From: Sal & Mick Date: 3/22/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
      .html
      .html

      Well, I'm a fan of the original. Neil – we have a mission!

       


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
      Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 1:44 PM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction

       

       

      I've heard whispers that there are some very underhand tactics going on. Apparently certain companies that own other sci-fi franchises are doing all they can behind the scenes to have the movie portrayed as a flop. Allegedly they have been spreading lies about it so it doesn't have the chance to become a popular franchise that could affect the profits of their own. I have also heard from fans of the original Burroughs books that it is pretty damn good.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:

      >
      > The reviews that count in my book, the reviews from people who all grew up
      reading all the books in the series, all seem to be unanimously in favor of the movie. I really want to see it. I would have gone already had not my own son betrayed me by going ahead and watching it with one of his friends already. Now I'll just wait until it comes out on DVD.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > Sent from my iPad
      >
      > On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > “John Carter” is getting some TERRIBLE reviews!

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      Group: potadg Message: 61317 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/23/2012
      Subject: Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction
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      .html
        I don't think other studios were ever very worried about it. It's been a movie with problems for a long time. And Disney just doesn't know what to do with sci-fi. It basically had the same fate as "Tron 2" (but cost a hell of a lot more). The movie was OK but it should have been better for $250 million. Once again, script, script, script. And the marketing was bland.
        Disney has already announced it's a $200 million loss.

      Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:43 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] Re: OT: "John Carter" and the evolution of science fiction

       

      I've heard whispers that there are some very underhand tactics going on. Apparently certain companies that own other sci-fi franchises are doing all they can behind the scenes to have the movie portrayed as a flop. Allegedly they have been spreading lies about it so it doesn't have the chance to become a popular franchise that could affect the profits of their own. I have also heard from fans of the original Burroughs books that it is pretty damn good.

      Neil T.

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:

      >
      > The reviews that count in my book, the
      reviews from people who all grew up reading all the books in the series, all seem to be unanimously in favor of the movie. I really want to see it. I would have gone already had not my own son betrayed me by going ahead and watching it with one of his friends already. Now I'll just wait until it comes out on DVD.
      >
      > Dario
      >
      > Sent from my iPad
      >
      >
      On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:13 PM, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > “John Carter” is
      getting some TERRIBLE reviews!

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      Group: potadg Message: 61318 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/25/2012
      Subject: OT: Cameron hits bottom
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        As I write this, former POTA producer James Cameron is 7 miles down in the Challenger Deep, the lowest point of the ocean (deeper than the ascent to the tallest mountain, Mt. Everest). I guess he's the 3rd person to go down that deep; the first two were in 1960. It's cool to see a science fiction fan and practitioner make real science. Say what you will about Cameron's films, but he's pushed the boundaries of film technology. "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt said his film wouldn't have been possible without Avatar's advances. Cameron wanted to do a POTA film in the '90's and according to him it was Fox who spoiled the party and went in a Burtonian direction. So I'll always consider Cameron part of the POTA family and am rooting for him on this historic dive. He's bringing back lots of pictures.
       
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
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      > The story sounds quite radical and a little bit controversial in places.
      > The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario in his story synopsis?
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      > Neil T.
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      ***In my POTA Opus, I've been trying to delve into more backstory based on elements in the established 5-film/14-episode 'canon'. Among these are:
      1. Hasslein's mention of the U.S.A.'s attempt to assassinate Hitler,
      2. The derelict oil tanker on which Lewis Dixon played as a kid, and
      3. The outrageous notion that the U.S.A. could send a spaceship across interstellar distances as early as 1972.

      In my own private reading, I've been interested in a whole host of 'fringe'-type topics, including the so-called Hitler Survival Myth. There's recent evidence that the skull that's supposed to be that of Adolf Hitler was DNA tested... and found to be that of a female. Hmm...

      If Hitler did survive the fall of Berlin, where might he have gone? Well, in the late 1930's the Nazis sent an expedition to Antarctica, which they claimed for the Third Reich. A ship called Schwabenland sent out planes that dropped loads and loads of Nazi flags all over the territory called Queen Maud Land (by the Norskies), which the Germans renamed Neuschwabenland -- just south of South Africa, and including that part of the coast of Antarctica that shares the same longitude as Berlin.

      Interestingly enough, the ordinary swastika emblem is supposed to be a representation of the Earth as seen from above the North Polar region, the inner cross representing the crossing of two great circles longitudinally perpendicular to each other over the pole, with the outer 90-degree attachments representing the circular movement of those geodetic line-arcs caused by the Earth's rotation. The Nazi swastika, however, is a mirror image of the ancient version... which might suggest that the Nazi swastika represents the South Polar region. Which, you'll recall, the Nazis claimed for the Third Reich in the late 1930's.

      After two U-boats were captured off the coast of Argentina in 1946 -- months after they were supposed to have complied with their orders to surrender to the Allies -- U.S. military intelligence interrogated their crews... and, soon after, the U.S. Navy sent an expedition to Antarctica during the south hemisphere summer [i.e. when it was winter in the northern hemisphere], from late-1946 to early-1947. Called Operation HIGHJUMP, it was commanded by the most experienced polar explorer, Admiral Richard Byrd.

      A lot of weird things are said about that expedition... including the notion that they encountered disc-shaped aircraft that could fly from pole-to-pole. How much of this speculation is true, or just UFO-buff conspiracy theory... well, who knows? It was only a few months later, after HIGHJUMP was cut short prematurely (in March 1947), that the first major wave of UFO sightings swept America, including the infamous Roswell Incident of June/July 1947. 

      Years ago, when I was researching some of this wacko-yet-interesting stuff, it occurred to me that the name of the Operation -- "HIGHJUMP" -- was a track-and-field sport implying the ability to ascend to great heights. Hmm... might that be a reference to aircraft possessing greater 'lift' abilities than any known man-made aircraft? Maybe?

      And then it occurred to me that there is another track-and-field sport that is called the POLE VAULT... and my creative juices got to flowing...

      So, I came up with the idea that George Taylor, years before he became a Colonel and commanded the Orion Mission flight to an unnamed planet orbiting in another solar system 320 light-years away, had served in the USAAF during World War II, flying a B-52 affectionately called "The Taylor Maid" (with appropriate cheesecake nosecone art). And, after the War was supposed to be officially over, and Taylor had been discharged from the USAAF, he is forced to rejoin in order to take part in the secret mission to kill Hitler... who, it turns out, did not commit suicide in his Berlin fuhrer-bunker, but had managed to escape to a U-boat base in Denmark and, thence, made his way to a secret Nazi base that had been dubbed "Neu Berlin"... situated on the continent of Antarctica.

      The fleet of ships that made its way to the Antarctic base known as "Little America" (as part of Operation HIGHJUMP) split into two forces, an East Group and a West Group... both groups going around the coast of Antarctica (one eastward, the other westward) and converging on the Neuschwabenland area, where the Nazis supposedly had established a New Berlin on the same longitude as the newly-destroyed Berlin in Germany.

      Incidentally, one of the two oil tankers that were part of HIGHJUMP's fleet will wind up at the McKinley and Sons Naval Scrapyard , where Zira, Cornelius, Salome and Hasslein will lose their lives in 1973...

      In my scenario, Taylor commands a crew on his B-52, The Taylor Maid , landing it first on the "Little America" base's landing strip that the HIGHJUMP people had prepped prior to their Eastward and Westward pincer-moves around the coast of Antarctica... and then, after loading up enough fuel for a flight across the entire continent, over the South Pole , and towards New Berlin, Taylor -- as part of this other Operation POLE VAULT -- essentially is doing to Hitler and his surviving/hiding Nazis what the Enola Gay did to Hiroshima. A nuclear strike on the Nazi base, with Taylor's bombing run making it a triangulation of U.S. forces. My POTA-fictional "Operation POLE VAULT" involves Taylor's airplane literally VAULTing over the South POLE. 

      And, amidst this post-war secret battle, certain "beings" who are in possession of disc-shaped aircraft are rousted out, like angry bees from their disturbed hive. About three months later, one of these "discs" crashlands in New Mexico and -- after it is retrieved by the Roswell base personnel -- it is sent to Wright-Patterson (etc etc) for what they call "back-engineering".

      Because Taylor had been a part of the U.S. military forces that first encountered them above the Antarctica skies -- and, perhaps, had earlier encountered similar things, when they were called "Foo Fighters" above the European theater -- he is tapped as part of the team which, in 1972, will leave the Earth... the Solar System... and the 20th Century behind -- utilizing technology that would otherwise have taken another century or so to develop. With help from a genius named Otto Hasslein (perhaps a turncoat Nazi scientist, co-opted by the Allies), the advanced technology retrieved by the Roswell base is studied... and, with only a short window-of-opportunity in which to capitalize on it, the U.S.A. manages to build its ANSA spaceships.

      In my scenario, the "beings" whose advanced tech is "back-engineered" are covert agents who have been observing Earth for thousands of years. Once we humans waged our Second World War, and infringed on their no-longer-secret base in Antarctica -- having also invented the Atomic Bomb -- they informed President Truman (in secret, during the so-called "Washington Invasion" UFO-flap of July 1952) that the "United Galaxy" has deemed the Human Race to be too dangerous to be allowed to extend its reach beyond our own Solar System... so, like the human village of Trion ["The Cure"], the entire planet Earth is in a state of Quarantine. Our tendency to murder each other, to devastate our own environment, to suspend our rationality and believe in the most nonsensical of religious doctrines... well, "They" have concluded that we're hopelessly insane. Aside from the minimal forces stationed in the Earth-Moon system to observe us [let's call 'em The Observers], no other United Galaxy aliens are allowed in the Quarantine Zone. 

      And no humans, obviously, are allowed outside that zone. 

      But that doesn't mean that clever humans -- who have back-engineered an Observer vehicle -- cannot find a way to fly hundreds of light-years away from Earth. They just have to do it "under the radar" so to speak. And that's what Taylor's ORION Mission does: instead of zipping to its destination at FTL velocity -- which it is entirely capable of doing -- it putts along at the slowest possible "warp" speed, which yields a velocity of "nearly the speed of light" according to Hasslein's Theory. 

      Imagine the smallest possible number, say "0.00000...00001" [i.e. a decimal point followed by lots and lots of zeros, and then a "one"]. Call that number N . That's the "warp factor" for these ANSA ships that want to fly "under the radar" outside the Quarantine Zone's boundary. The velocity [V] of the ship is "N to the Nth" multiplied by the speed of light in a vacuum [C] divided by a number [R] that represents the Index of Refraction effect [V = N^N x C/R ]. What do I mean by that? Well, the warp-bubble that Hasslein's hyperdrive engine creates -- which is shaped like the skin of an apple, a cardioid rotated around its axis of symmetry -- is like one big-ass photon. If the volume inside that bubble had no mass at all, then the Index of Refraction effect [R] would reduce to "1" and there would be no effect on the overall velocity. But!... the spaceship (with its fuel) inside the warp-bubble has mass... meaning that the volume does not have zero density; because it has positive density, the number R climbs higher than "1" and, effectively, decreases the velocity of the warpfield. 

      It takes Taylor's ship just over 2,000 Earth-Time years to travel a distance of 320 light-years... meaning that even though they're travelling at "nearly the speed of light" they are not travelling at an Einsteinian lightspeed across space. They're flowing through Hassleinian hyperspace, the mass of the ship supplying a density to the volume of the warpfield which slows down the 'ideal' velocity by a factor of six or so. 

      Again, these ANSA ships could be boosted to even higher speeds -- by raising the Warp Factor [N] to a number higher, so that N-to-the-Nth becomes higher than "R". If N were boosted to 3, for instance, then N^N would be 27 [the "^" symbol means "raised to the power of"]; and, if R were around 6 or so -- as it is for Taylor's trip to his destination in Orion -- then the net velocity would be N^N x C/R = 27 x C/6 = 4.5 x C. If R remains constant at 6 and N increases to 7 , for instance, then V = 823,543 x C/6 = 137,257.1666 ... x C. In other words, at Warp Factor 7 (with R = 6), the ship would be able to fly that 320 lightyear distance in a mere 20 hours 26 minutes 11.5 seconds of Earth-Time -- as opposed to the 2,006.86 Earth-Time years it ends up taking them, at their minimal warp-speed.

      The thing about travelling at a warp-velocity where N is less than 1, though, is that the closer it is to Zero, then N^N winds up being just a hair less than 1. I call this final number "Lightspeed-minus-Upsilon" -- riffing on Professor Antelle's explanation of Einstein's Relativity effect of Time Dilation, where his ship reaches a maximum "speed of light minus epsilon" [chapter 2]. I use "upsilon" because that Greek letter is the first letter in the word hyper, spelled YPER [the "h" in Greek is a `-mark], as in the word " hyperspace." For example, if N is 0.1, then N^N = 0.794328234... 
      If N = 0.01, then N^N = 0.954992586... 
      If N = 0.001, then N^N = 0.993116048... 
      If N = 0.0001, then N^N = 0.99907939...

      In other words, as N approaches Zero [without actually reaching it], N^N approaches 1 [without actually reaching it], achieving a top warp-speed of 0.99999999... times lightspeed. But then you have to divide that by the Index of Refraction effect [R ]. For Taylor's ship, the "nearly the speed of light" aspect is due to N being as close as possible to Zero [i.e. 0.0000000001 for instance] so that N^N becomes as close as possible to One [i.e. 0.999999997 for instance]. Hasslein's Theory says, essentially, that if the ship's hyperdrive putts along at the lowest possible Warp Factor, then the resultant velocity [N^N x C] approaches One... and, as a result, Time Dilation effects happen. 

      Since the ship's mass remains the same, you could reduce the R-factor by ballooning up the volume of the warpfield. The bubble would have the same shape, but -- by pumping extra energy into it -- the cardioid shape would be far bigger... and the resulting density would be correspondingly smaller. Since the Index of Refraction effect is a function of density, then R would shrink towards 1, and the Hassleinian Time Dilation effects would then approach Einsteinian Time Dilation effects. The R-factor doesn't affect the Time Dilation rate, mind you; it merely slows down the warp-bubble the smaller it gets (and it can only get so small: it has to be able to envelop the entire spaceship cocooned inside it, plus a safety-margin of extra empty space). To reduce the amount of energy expended, they make the warp-bubble as small as possible; to balloon it up as big as possible, to reduce the R-factor, takes extra energy, and also increases the amount of interstellar material that the warpfield interacts with.

      The reason that Taylor's trip towards Orion goes at a final velocity of around 0.16 x C is because at that speed -- around 1/6th lightspeed -- interstellar gas and dust and high-energy cosmic rays bounce off the spheroidal "front" of the warp-bubble in such a way that an outside observer can't tell that a spaceship is zipping by. If the final velocity happened to be at lightspeed -- or even faster than lightspeed -- then those particles would ricochet off the warp-bubble, boosted to higher speeds. Plowing through the interstellar medium, the warp-bubble would create what I call "photonic booms"... and the United Galaxy has High-Velocity particle detectors set up all around the Galaxy, like a hyperspatial radar system to detect "speeders". 

      The only way to avoid detection is to warp along at a (final) velocity that is less than Einsteinian lightspeed. That means having N as low as possible, as close to Zero as you can "idle" the warp engine. 

      Incidentally, the slowest possible warp-speed would be with N = 1/e [where the number "e" is 2.718281828... which is the base of natural logarithms]; the resulting number N = 0.367879441... which is the smallest number N if you graph the equation N^N, giving you N^N = 0.692200627... The only reasons Taylor's ORION Mission doesn't increase its Warp Factor from 0.000000001 (or so) up to 0.3678... is because they not only want to travel at a final speed that is undetectable by the Quarantine-enforcing United Galaxy, they also want to make use of Hassleinian Time Dilation, which only works to your advantage if N^N is 0.9999... [i.e. as close to 1 as you can get], and 0.6922 is too slow for that "time bends" effect.

      In my scenario, the United Galaxy Security Force ["UGSF"] doesn't become aware of Taylor's ORION Mission until late-3955. Taylor's ANSA (mother)ship arrives at its destination when the Earth-Time clock reads "11-25-3978"... and, after de-warping, somebody other than Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart is awake on the ship, and activates the EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE, which is designed to automatically send the ship back to Earth at maximum warp . Due to the fact that the ship's trajectory is forced through the ring-shaped singularity of a Black Hole, the warpfield winds up going back to Earth (across Space) "retrotemporally" (negatively through Time). They zoom through Hyperspace at a rate of 320 lightyears per 23.16 negative years [i.e. ~13.817 times lightspeed, but into the Past, not the Future].

      As seen by an outside UGSF observer, it appears that a warpfield leaves the vicinity of planet Earth in late September of 3955 and -- travelling at a speed of 13.817 times lightspeed -- arrives at the destination star system 320 lightyears away on 11-25-3978. The UGSF thinks that a ship violating the Quarantine left Earth in 3955 and arrived in that Orion system some 23 years later in 3978. But what actually happened is that the ship left that Orion system in 3978 going backwards through Time to arrive back at Earth in 3955. The ANSA hyperdrive's "maximum warp" velocity is 13.817 x C. 

      Incidentally, Virdon's ship [in my scenario] never actually reaches Alpha Centauri, it merely "approaches" it, but gets caught in a timewarp [a trapped orbit around a Black Hole] situated 3.2155 lightyears from Earth, about 1.1245 lightyears shy of their destination. When Jones activates their EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE, it kicks in at maximum warp [13.817 x C], also "threading the needle" of that Black Hole's ring-shaped singularity, so that they go backwards in Time from 14 June 3085 to 21 March 3085, some 85 "retrodays".

      Thus, the UGSF thinks that a spaceship warped away from the vicinity of Earth on 3-21-3085, zipping along [at 13.817 x C] on a heading towards the Black Hole which they know is lurking about a parsec away from Earth in the direction of Alpha Centauri. Some 85 days later, the ship's warpfield arrives at that Black Hole... and disappears . The UGSF doesn't know that Backwards-through-Time travel is possible, so they misinterpret the phenomenon, assuming that the ship -- upon entering the Event Horizon of that Black Hole on 6-14-3085 -- was destroyed. 

      And why should the UGSF know that it's possible to zip backwards through Time? After all, the only way to do it is to fly through the spinning singularity of a Black Hole... and who in their right mind would even attempt it?

      At any rate, my POTA project has to have some kind of semi-plausible explanation as to how the U.S.A. could send out an interstellar voyage in January of 1972. A reference in ESCAPE to the attempted assassination of Hitler... an old oil tanker that had been scrapped soon after Operation HIGHJUMP, upon which Lewis Dixon played when he was about 25 years younger... the possibility of Taylor having had interesting wartime experiences involving Foo Fighters and/or Roswell-crashed-discs...

      I also had to figure out a semi-plausible explanation as to how a talking orangutan named Mandemus could have come on the scene years before the arrival of the Ape-onauts in 1973. If Mandemus is older than Caesar (as he is portrayed to be), then he had to have been part of a population of "evolved apes" dwelling on Earth unbeknownst to Mankind in general for decades prior to the appearance of Cornelius and Zira.

      How?! If the three species of "evolved" apes were the result of genetic manipulation [i.e. Transgenics], how could they have been "created" by mid-20th Century human science?

      In my POTA scenario, there's a character who has the know-how... and who has had it for around 6000 years. Way back when, more than 6,000 years ago, when he was commissioned to create a race of slaves to serve his own non-terrestrial people, he used selective breeding techniques to boost the Brain-to-Body mass ratio of a species of primates... and, when their brains were big enough to serve as hosts for alien Minds, he himself came to inhabit that new "human" body, as a psychic parasite.

      Being an alien, he (and his fellow aliens) could not live in Earth's biosphere without being poisoned by its bacteria (like the Martians in H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds )... so they need earthly lifeforms in which they can psychically dwell, like demonic spirits taking "possession" of a body. But the brain of their host must be large enough to house the full personality, which is why this "Creator" bred Man to have as large a brain as possible, in comparison to the size of his body.

      Manipulating the chromosomes of the human body in which he himself in-dwells, he creates a pair of clones, one male and one female [i.e. "Adam" and "Eve"... made in his image and likeness, down to the genetic level]. They are not the only humans around, not even the first. They are merely the clones of the human that he bred to have a sufficiently large Brain/Body mass ratio. He "creates" them to be workers in his food-producing plot of land, their tasks being to slave for him and the other so-called "gods" of the Sumerian pantheon -- he being the 'god' named Enki , whose name literally means "landlord." They are also to breed more slaves, so that the number of workers slaving away for the idle, aristocratic Masters grows and grows...

      Enki (as the myths about him show) eventually does with his slaves what Jefferson did with Sally Hemings, violating a taboo that the other 'gods' had put in place. He interbreeds with the human mortals... and his punishment is to have his alien body [in suspended animation] destroyed -- trapping his Mind inside the human body that serves as his host. 

      Throughout the course of history, Enki "mind-jumps" into other carefully selected human bodies, becoming the Benefactor god of every major pantheon ruling over enslaved humans. He was Enki in Sumer... "Eden" ... Thoth [Tehuti] in Egypt... Hermes in Greece... Mercury in Italy... Odin/Woden/Wotan /etc. in Scandinavia... Quetzalcoatl and Kukulcan in Mesoamerica... Kon-Tiki Viracocha in South America and islands in the Pacific... etc.

      When the United Galaxy discovered that a batch of escaped lunatics from the galactic insane asylum had wound up on Earth, they rounded them all up and incarcerated them in a better, escape-proof prison... all except for Enki, whose alien body had been destroyed. Trapped in a succession of human bodies, Enki remained the only "god" of the ancient world to remain on Earth... at least until the late 1780s. 

      When the United Galaxy's sociologists, extrapolating Man's scientific advancements in the 18th Century, predict that Mankind will destroy his own civilization by the year 1992 +/- 20 years, Enki is granted the opportunity to salvage non-human Earth life... to be transplanted onto a terraformed planet designed to harbor terrestrial lifeforms. He is also granted the ability to try to save the Earth from Man's destructive ways... by bequeathing to a select group of people the Idea that had been missing from human religion up until that point: that Man possessed inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and to the pursuit of happiness. The "god" that had initially bred humans to serve as hosts for alien Minds... and had cloned his own human host-body in order to create a race of slaves to serve those "gods"... had now endowed His creation with Rights that they had never enjoyed before, insofar as the "gods" had routinely taken their lives, liberty, and happiness.

      So, his last "name" by which he is known to Man -- that is, to the Founders of the United States of America -- was a combination of four names: Babylonian/Hebraic EA/YAH ... Sumerian ENKI... Egyptian "Thoth"/TEHUTI... and Canaanite EL. Combined, the name is "Yah-Enki-Tehuti-El"... Yankee Doodle

      After working behind-the-scenes to create the U.S.A., this Creator leaves the Earth in order to create a New Earth up in "heaven"... in a star system 320 lightyears away. 

      Later circumstances will result in him being forced back to Earth, years after knowing that Man destroyed his own civilization shortly after the Ape Revolt of 1991. He will be a witness of the End of the World -- seen from a vantage point high up in orbit... and seeing the Earth destroyed will so outrage him that he will seek to punish Mankind for having built and used a world-destroying weapon... but how do you punish Man when he has already destroyed himself?

      The answer lies in time-travelling back into the Past... and manipulating the genes of the three nonhuman primate species which, in the early-to-mid 20th Century had been reduced to pathetic numbers. "God" uses the same kinds of Transgenic manipulations that boosted human intellectual capacity to do the same thing for the Apes. And he does it in order to "exalt" that which is "base" [i.e. to "evolve" the Apes] and to "abase" the haughty [i.e. to punish and degrade the Humans]. Before his Moreau-like activities lead to his capture by the UGSF (in 1952), he has created three populations of Evolved Apes, and given to them a non-English language of their own, as well as a writing system (i.e. the Glyphs). And he has warned them not to let humans hear them speaking... at least, not until Man wipes out his own civilization and the Apes are in a position to lord it over the pathetic human survivors. 

      The "First Article of Faith"... that God created the Ape in His own image... and made him the Lord of the planet... turns out to be partly true , and not merely a bit of simian "aping" of a human biblical notion. 

      The talking apes, thus, are "created" by the once-Benefactor god of antiquity to serve as the punishers of Mankind. God punishes Man's iniquity by empowering a so-called Animal -- the Ape -- to serve as God's scourge. Just as 'God' empowered the Assyrians and Babylonians to lord it over the people of Israel and Judah -- as punishment for their 'sins' -- having prophets like Daniel picture those pagan dictatorships as "beasts" that rise up out of the sea (etc)... so, too, does this same 'God' empower the Apes to punish Man. At least, for a time. 

      'God' didn't need Taylor to call upon Him to damn the human race to Hell. 'God' had already empowered the Ape to make Man's life a living hell. The simian "beast" had risen up to become the Lords of mankind... and Man had been turned into a groveling beast, like Nebuchadnezzar, in punishment for his sins.

      Where Man once stood supreme, now rule the Apes!

      Patrick

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      As always, pretty cool theories Patrick. I have long wondered why Milo, C&Z didn't have to be put into hyper-sleep like Taylor's crew.
       
      I like the ideas of ANSA using alien technology and Hasslein being a former(?) Nazi who reverse engineered those ships -- and Taylor being involved in its recovery.
       
      It makes me wonder what was the real reason for Taylor's mission - did 1973 earth know mankind's fate and was Taylor sent to stop it -- but in the ultimate irony - ends up playing a part in earth's destruction? That could be why Brent was sent to find out the fate of Taylor's mission. I always thought that Skipper has a bit more to say before he passed on...
       
      Both Taylor & Brent's ships unexpectedly crashed and perhaps the onboard computers were not able to reveal the real orders behind the mission to the crew.
       
      As for Mandemus, how did an ape older than Caesar learn to speak?
       
      The answer: Gene Therapy - I think its incidental that Mandemus is older than Caesar - how did all the apes suddenly get the ability to speak?  Genes from the dead Apeonauts were synthesized by Ape Management and injected into apes in order to improve their intelligence for salve duties. When Caesar arrives in the city, he provided the psychic catalyst needed to spark an exponential growth in simian intellect.
       
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      In a message dated 3/28/2012 6:50:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
       

      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
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      > The story sounds quite radical and a little bit controversial in places.
      > The bit about Taylor being in the Air Force in Korea and a 'mysterious and unknown craft' made me think of Patrick Tilton's POTA Opus he's been working on. I'm sure I read something about a crashed alien spaceship scenario in his story synopsis?
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      > Neil T.
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      ***In my POTA Opus, I've been trying to delve into more backstory based on elements in the established 5-film/14-episode 'canon'. Among these are:
      1. Hasslein's mention of the U.S.A.'s attempt to assassinate Hitler,
      2. The derelict oil tanker on which Lewis Dixon played as a kid, and
      3. The outrageous notion that the U.S.A. could send a spaceship across interstellar distances as early as 1972.

      In my own private reading, I've been interested in a whole host of 'fringe'-type topics, including the so-called Hitler Survival Myth. There's recent evidence that the skull that's supposed to be that of Adolf Hitler was DNA tested... and found to be that of a female. Hmm...

      If Hitler did survive the fall of Berlin, where might he have gone? Well, in the late 1930's the Nazis sent an expedition to Antarctica, which they claimed for the Third Reich. A ship called Schwabenland sent out planes that dropped loads and loads of Nazi flags all over the territory called Queen Maud Land (by the Norskies), which the Germans renamed Neuschwabenland -- just south of South Africa, and including that part of the coast of Antarctica that shares the same longitude as Berlin.

      Interestingly enough, the ordinary swastika emblem is supposed to be a representation of the Earth as seen from above the North Polar region, the inner cross representing the crossing of two great circles longitudinally perpendicular to each other over the pole, with the outer 90-degree attachments representing the circular movement of those geodetic line-arcs caused by the Earth's rotation. The Nazi swastika, however, is a mirror image of the ancient version... which might suggest that the Nazi swastika represents the South Polar region. Which, you'll recall, the Nazis claimed for the Third Reich in the late 1930's.

      After two U-boats were captured off the coast of Argentina in 1946 -- months after they were supposed to have complied with their orders to surrender to the Allies -- U.S. military intelligence interrogated their crews... and, soon after, the U.S. Navy sent an expedition to Antarctica during the south hemisphere summer [i.e. when it was winter in the northern hemisphere], from late-1946 to early-1947. Called Operation HIGHJUMP, it was commanded by the most experienced polar explorer, Admiral Richard Byrd.

      A lot of weird things are said about that expedition... including the notion that they encountered disc-shaped aircraft that could fly from pole-to-pole. How much of this speculation is true, or just UFO-buff conspiracy theory... well, who knows? It was only a few months later, after HIGHJUMP was cut short prematurely (in March 1947), that the first major wave of UFO sightings swept America, including the infamous Roswell Incident of June/July 1947. 

      Years ago, when I was researching some of this wacko-yet-interesting stuff, it occurred to me that the name of the Operation -- "HIGHJUMP" -- was a track-and-field sport implying the ability to ascend to great heights. Hmm... might that be a reference to aircraft possessing greater 'lift' abilities than any known man-made aircraft? Maybe?

      And then it occurred to me that there is another track-and-field sport that is called the POLE VAULT... and my creative juices got to flowing...

      So, I came up with the idea that George Taylor, years before he became a Colonel and commanded the Orion Mission flight to an unnamed planet orbiting in another solar system 320 light-years away, had served in the USAAF during World War II, flying a B-52 affectionately called "The Taylor Maid" (with appropriate cheesecake nosecone art). And, after the War was supposed to be officially over, and Tayl or had been discharged from the USAAF, he is forced to rejoin in order to take part in the secret mission to kill Hitler... who, it turns out, did not commit suicide in his Berlin fuhrer-bunker, but had managed to escape to a U-boat base in Denmark and, thence, made his way to a secret Nazi base that had been dubbed "Neu Berlin"... situated on the continent of Antarctica.

      The fleet of ships that made its way to the Antarctic base known as "Little America" (as part of Operation HIGHJUMP) split into two forces, an East Group and a West Group... both groups going around the coast of Antarctica (one eastward, the other westward) and converging on the Neuschwabenland area, where the Nazis supposedly had established a New Berlin on the same longitude as the newly-destroyed Berlin in Germany.

      Incidentally, one of the two oil tankers that were part of HIGHJUMP's fleet will wind up at the McKinley and Sons Naval Scrapyard , where Zira, Cornelius, Salome and Hasslein will lose their lives in 1973...

      In my scenario, Taylor commands a crew on his B-52, The Taylor Maid, landing it first on the "Little America" base's landing strip that the HIGHJUMP people had prepped prior to their Eastward and Westward pincer-moves around the coast of Antarctica... and then, after loading up enough fuel for a flight across the entire continent, over the South Pole, and towards New Berlin, Taylor -- as part of this other Operation POLE VAULT -- essentially is doing to Hitler and his surviving/hiding Nazis what the Enola Gay did to Hiroshima. A nuclear strike on the Nazi base, with Taylor's bombing run making it a triangulation of U.S. forces. My POTA-fictional "Operation POLE VAULT" involves Taylor's airplane literally VAULTing over the South POLE. 

      And, amidst this post-war secret battle, certain "beings" who are in possession of disc-s haped aircraft are rousted out, like angry bees from their disturbed hive. About three months later, one of these "discs" crashlands in New Mexico and -- after it is retrieved by the Roswell base personnel -- it is sent to Wright-Patterson (etc etc) for what they call "back-engineering".

      Because Taylor had been a part of the U.S. military forces that first encountered them above the Antarctica skies -- and, perhaps, had earlier encountered similar things, when they were called "Foo Fighters" above the European theater -- he is tapped as part of the team which, in 1972, will leave the Earth... the Solar System... and the 20th Century behind -- utilizing technology that would otherwise have taken another century or so to develop. With help from a genius named Otto Hasslein (perhaps a turncoat Nazi scientist, co-opted by the Allies), the advanced technology retrieved by the Roswell base is studied... and, with only a short window-of-opportunity in which to capitalize on it, the U.S.A. manages to build its ANSA spaceships.

      In my scenario, the "beings" whose advanced tech is "back-engineered" are covert agents who have been observing Earth for thousands of years. Once we humans waged our Second World War, and infringed on their no-longer-secret base in Antarctica -- having also invented the Atomic Bomb -- they informed President Truman (in secret, during the so-called "Washington Invasion" UFO-flap of July 1952) that the "United Galaxy" has deemed the Human Race to be too dangerous to be allowed to extend its reach beyond our own Solar System... so, like the human village of Trion ["The Cure"], the entire planet Earth is in a state of Quarantine. Our tendency to murder each other, to devastate our own environment, to suspend our rationality and believe in the most nonsensical of religious doctrines... well, "They" have concluded that we're hopelessly insane. Aside from the minimal forces stationed in the Earth-Moon system to observe us [let's call 'em The Observers], no other United Galaxy aliens are allowed in the Quarantine Zone. 

      And no humans, obviously, are allowed outside that zone. 

      But that doesn't mean that clever humans -- who have back-engineered an Observer vehicle -- cannot find a way to fly hundreds of light-years away from Earth. They just have to do it "under the radar" so to speak. And that's what Taylor's ORION Mission does: instead of zipping to its destination at FTL velocity -- which it is entirely capable of doing -- it putts along at the slowest possible "warp" speed, which yields a velocity of "nearly the speed of light" according to Hasslein's Theory. 

      Imagine the smallest possible number, say "0.00000...00001" [i.e. a decimal point followed by lots and lots of zeros, and then a "one"]. Call that number N. That's the "warp factor" for these AN SA ships that want to fly "under the radar" outside the Quarantine Zone's boundary. The velocity [V] of the ship is "N to the Nth" multiplied by the speed of light in a vacuum [C] divided by a number [R] that represents the Index of Refraction effect [V = N^N x C/R]. What do I mean by that? Well, the warp-bubble that Hasslein's hyperdrive engine creates -- which is shaped like the skin of an apple, a cardioid rotated around its axis of symmetry -- is like one big-ass photon. If the volume inside that bubble had no mass at all, then the Index of Refraction effect [R] would reduce to "1" and there would be no effect on the overall velocity. But!... the spaceship (with its fuel) inside the warp-bubble has mass... meaning that the volume does not have zero density; because it has positive density, the number R climbs higher than "1" and, effectively, decreases the velocity of the warpfield. 

      It takes Taylor's ship just ov er 2,000 Earth-Time years to travel a distance of 320 light-years... meaning that even though they're travelling at "nearly the speed of light" they are not travelling at an Einsteinian lightspeed across space. They're flowing through Hassleinian hyperspace, the mass of the ship supplying a density to the volume of the warpfield which slows down the 'ideal' velocity by a factor of six or so. 

      Again, these ANSA ships could be boosted to even higher speeds -- by raising the Warp Factor [N] to a number higher, so that N-to-the-Nth becomes higher than "R". If N were boosted to 3, for instance, then N^N would be 27 [the "^" symbol means "raised to the power of"]; and, if R were around 6 or so -- as it is for Taylor's trip to his destination in Orion -- then the net velocity would be N^N x C/R = 27 x C/6 = 4.5 x C. If R remains constant at 6 and N increases to 7, for instance, then V = 823,543 x C/6 = < b>137,257.1666... x C. In other words, at Warp Factor 7 (with R = 6), the ship would be able to fly that 320 lightyear distance in a mere 20 hours 26 minutes 11.5 seconds of Earth-Time -- as opposed to the 2,006.86 Earth-Time years it ends up taking them, at their minimal warp-speed.

      The thing about travelling at a warp-velocity where N is less than 1, though, is that the closer it is to Zero, then N^N winds up being just a hair less than 1. I call this final number "Lightspeed-minus-Upsilon" -- riffing on Professor Antelle's explanation of Einstein's Relativity effect of Time Dilation, where his ship reaches a maximum "speed of light minus epsilon" [chapter 2]. I use "upsilon" because that Greek letter is the first letter in the word hyper, spelled YPER [the "h" in Greek is a `-mark], as in the word "hyperspace." For example, if N is 0.1, then N^N = 0.794328234... 
      If N = 0.01, then N^N = 0.954992586... 
      If N = 0.001, then N^N = 0.993116048... 
      If N = 0.0001, then N^N = 0.99907939...

      In other words, as N approaches Zero [without actually reaching it], N^N approaches 1 [without actually reaching it], achieving a top warp-speed of 0.99999999... times lightspeed. But then you have to divide that by the Index of Refraction effect [R]. For Taylor's ship, the "nearly the speed of light" aspect is due to N being as close as possible to Zero [i.e. 0.0000000001 for instance] so that N^N becomes as close as possible to One [i.e. 0.999999997 for instance]. Hasslein's Theory says, essentially, that if the ship's hyperdrive putts along at the lowest possible Warp Factor, then the resultant velocity [N^N x C] approaches One... and, as a result, Time Dilation effects happen. 

      Since the ship's mass remains the same, you could reduce the R -factor by ballooning up the volume of the warpfield. The bubble would have the same shape, but -- by pumping extra energy into it -- the cardioid shape would be far bigger... and the resulting density would be correspondingly smaller. Since the Index of Refraction effect is a function of density, then R would shrink towards 1, and the Hassleinian Time Dilation effects would then approach Einsteinian Time Dilation effects. The R-factor doesn't affect the Time Dilation rate, mind you; it merely slows down the warp-bubble the smaller it gets (and it can only get so small: it has to be able to envelop the entire spaceship cocooned inside it, plus a safety-margin of extra empty space). To reduce the amount of energy expended, they make the warp-bubble as small as possible; to balloon it up as big as possible, to reduce the R-factor, takes extra energy, and also increases the amount of interstellar material that the warpfield interacts with.

      The reason th at Taylor's trip towards Orion goes at a final velocity of around 0.16 x C is because at that speed -- around 1/6th lightspeed -- interstellar gas and dust and high-energy cosmic rays bounce off the spheroidal "front" of the warp-bubble in such a way that an outside observer can't tell that a spaceship is zipping by. If the final velocity happened to be at lightspeed -- or even faster than lightspeed -- then those particles would ricochet off the warp-bubble, boosted to higher speeds. Plowing through the interstellar medium, the warp-bubble would create what I call "photonic booms"... and the United Galaxy has High-Velocity particle detectors set up all around the Galaxy, like a hyperspatial radar system to detect "speeders". 

      The only way to avoid detection is to warp along at a (final) velocity that is less than Einsteinian lightspeed. That means having N as low as possible, as close to Zero as you can "idle" the warp engine. 

      Incidentally, the slowest possible warp-speed would be with N = 1/e [where the number "e" is 2.718281828... which is the base of natural logarithms]; the resulting number N = 0.367879441... which is the smallest number N if you graph the equation N^N, giving you N^N = 0.692200627... The only reasons Taylor's ORION Mission doesn't increase its Warp Factor from 0.000000001 (or so) up to 0.3678... is because they not only want to travel at a final speed that is undetectable by the Quarantine-enforcing United Galaxy, they also want to make use of Hassleinian Time Dilation, which only works to your advantage if N^N is 0.9999... [i.e. as close to 1 as you can get], and 0.6922 is too slow for that "time bends" effect.

      In my scenario, the United Galaxy Security Force ["UGSF"] doesn't become aware of Taylor's ORION Mission until late-3955. Taylor's ANSA (mother)ship arrives at its destination when the Earth-Time clock reads "11-25-3978".. . and, after de-warping, somebody other than Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart is awake on the ship, and activates the EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE, which is designed to automatically send the ship back to Earth at maximum warp. Due to the fact that the ship's trajectory is forced through the ring-shaped singularity of a Black Hole, the warpfield winds up going back to Earth (across Space) "retrotemporally" (negatively through Time). They zoom through Hyperspace at a rate of 320 lightyears per 23.16 negative years [i.e. ~13.817 times lightspeed, but into the Past, not the Future].

      As seen by an outside UGSF observer, it appears that a warpfield leaves the vicinity of planet Earth in late September of 3955 and -- travelling at a speed of 13.817 times lightspeed -- arrives at the destination star system 320 lightyears away on 11-25-3978. The UGSF thinks that a ship violating the Quarantine left Earth in 3955 and arrived in that O rion system some 23 years later in 3978. But what actually happened is that the ship left that Orion system in 3978 going backwards through Time to arrive back at Earth in 3955. The ANSA hyperdrive's "maximum warp" velocity is 13.817 x C. 

      Incidentally, Virdon's ship [in my scenario] never actually reaches Alpha Centauri, it merely "approaches" it, but gets caught in a timewarp [a trapped orbit around a Black Hole] situated 3.2155 lightyears from Earth, about 1.1245 lightyears shy of their destination. When Jones activates their EMERGENCY HOMING DEVICE, it kicks in at maximum warp [13.817 x C], also "threading the needle" of that Black Hole's ring-shaped singularity, so that they go backwards in Time from 14 June 3085 to 21 March 3085, some 85 "retrodays".

      Thus, the UGSF thinks that a spaceship warped away from the vicinity of Earth on 3-21-3085, zipping along [at 13.817 x C] on a heading towa rds the Black Hole which they know is lurking about a parsec away from Earth in the direction of Alpha Centauri. Some 85 days later, the ship's warpfield arrives at that Black Hole... and disappears. The UGSF doesn't know that Backwards-through-Time travel is possible, so they misinterpret the phenomenon, assuming that the ship -- upon entering the Event Horizon of that Black Hole on 6-14-3085 -- was destroyed. 

      And why should the UGSF know that it's possible to zip backwards through Time? After all, the only way to do it is to fly through the spinning singularity of a Black Hole... and who in their right mind would even attempt it?

      At any rate, my POTA project has to have some kind of semi-plausible explanation as to how the U.S.A. could send out an interstellar voyage in January of 1972. A reference in ESCAPE to the attempted assassination of Hitler... an old oil tanker that had been scrapped soon after Operatio n HIGHJUMP, upon which Lewis Dixon played when he was about 25 years younger... the possibility of Taylor having had interesting wartime experiences involving Foo Fighters and/or Roswell-crashed-discs...

      I also had to figure out a semi-plausible explanation as to how a talking orangutan named Mandemus could have come on the scene years before the arrival of the Ape-onauts in 1973. If Mandemus is older than Caesar (as he is portrayed to be), then he had to have been part of a population of "evolved apes" dwelling on Earth unbeknownst to Mankind in general for decades prior to the appearance of Cornelius and Zira.

      How?! If the three species of "evolved" apes were the result of genetic manipulation [i.e. Transgenics], how could they have been "created" by mid-20th Century human science?

      In my POTA scenario, there's a character who has the know-how... and who has had it for around 6000 years. Way back when, more than 6,000 years ago, when he was commissioned to create a race of slaves to serve his own non-terrestrial people, he used selective breeding techniques to boost the Brain-to-Body mass ratio of a species of primates... and, when their brains were big enough to serve as hosts for alien Minds, he himself came to inhabit that new "human" body, as a psychic parasite.

      Being an alien, he (and his fellow aliens) could not live in Earth's biosphere without being poisoned by its bacteria (like the Martians in H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds)... so they need earthly lifeforms in which they can psychically dwell, like demonic spirits taking "possession" of a body. But the brain of their host must be large enough to house the full personality, which is why this "Creator" bred Man to have as large a brain as possible, in comparison to the size of his body.

      Manipulating the chromosomes of the human body in which he himself in-dwells, he creates a pair of clones, one male and one female [i.e. "Adam" and "Eve"... made in his image and likeness, down to the genetic level]. They are not the only humans around, not even the first. They are merely the clones of the human that he bred to have a sufficiently large Brain/Body mass ratio. He "creates" them to be workers in his food-producing plot of land, their tasks being to slave for him and the other so-called "gods" of the Sumerian pantheon -- he being the 'god' named Enki, whose name literally means "landlord." They are also to breed more slaves, so that the number of workers slaving away for the idle, aristocratic Masters grows and grows...

      Enki (as the myths about him show) eventually does with his slaves what Jefferson did with Sally Hemings, violating a taboo that the other 'gods' had put in place. He interbreeds with the human mortals... and his punishment is to have his alien body [in suspended animation] destroyed -- trapping his Mind inside the human body that serves as his host. 

      Throughout the course of history, Enki "mind-jumps" into other carefully selected human bodies, becoming the Benefactor god of every major pantheon ruling over enslaved humans. He was Enki in Sumer... "Eden" ... Thoth [Tehuti] in Egypt... Hermes in Greece... Mercury in Italy... Odin/Woden/Wotan/etc. in Scandinavia... Quetzalcoatl and Kukulcan in Mesoamerica... Kon-Tiki Viracocha in South America and islands in the Pacific... etc.

      When the United Galaxy discovered that a batch of escaped lunatics from the galactic insane asylum had wound up on Earth, they rounded them all up and incarcerated them in a better, escape-proof prison... all except for Enki, whose alien body had been destroyed. Trapped in a succession of human bodies, Enki remained the only "god" of the ancient world to remain on Earth... at least until the late 1780s. 

      When the United Galaxy's sociologists, extrapolating Man's scientific advancements in the 18th Century, predict that Mankind will destroy his own civilization by the year 1992 +/- 20 years, Enki is granted the opportunity to salvage non-human Earth life... to be transplanted onto a terraformed planet designed to harbor terrestrial lifeforms. He is also granted the ability to try to save the Earth from Man's destructive ways... by bequeathing to a select group of people the Idea that had been missing from human religion up until that point: that Man possessed inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and to the pursuit of happiness. The "god" that had initially bred humans to serve as hosts for alien Minds... and had cloned his own human host-body in order to cr eate a race of slaves to serve those "gods"... had now endowed His creation with Rights that they had never enjoyed before, insofar as the "gods" had routinely taken their lives, liberty, and happiness.

      So, his last "name" by which he is known to Man -- that is, to the Founders of the United States of America -- was a combination of four names: Babylonian/Hebraic EA/YAH... Sumerian ENKI... Egyptian "Thoth"/TEHUTI... and Canaanite EL. Combined, the name is "Yah-Enki-Tehuti-El"... Yankee Doodle

      After working behind-the-scenes to create the U.S.A., this Creator leaves the Earth in order to create a New Earth up in "heaven"... in a star system 320 lightyears away. 

      Later circumstances will result in him being forced back to Earth, years after knowing that Man destroyed his own civilization shortly after the Ape Revolt of 1991. He will be a witness of the End of the World -- seen from a vantage point high up in orbit... and seeing the Earth destroyed will so outrage him that he will seek to punish Mankind for having built and used a world-destroying weapon... but how do you punish Man when he has already destroyed himself?

      The answer lies in time-travelling back into the Past... and manipulating the genes of the three nonhuman primate species which, in the early-to-mid 20th Century had been reduced to pathetic numbers. "God" uses the same kinds of Transgenic manipulations that boosted human intellectual capacity to do the same thing for the Apes. And he does it in order to "exalt" that which is "base" [i.e. to "evolve" the Apes] and to "abase" the haughty [i.e. to punish and degrade the Humans]. Before his Moreau-like activities lead to his capture by the UGSF (in 1952), he has created three populations of Evolved Apes, and given to them a non-Englis h language of their own, as well as a writing system (i.e. the Glyphs). And he has warned them not to let humans hear them speaking... at least, not until Man wipes out his own civilization and the Apes are in a position to lord it over the pathetic human survivors. 

      The "First Article of Faith"... that God created the Ape in His own image... and made him the Lord of the planet... turns out to be partly true, and not merely a bit of simian "aping" of a human biblical notion. 

      The talking apes, thus, are "created" by the once-Benefactor god of antiquity to serve as the punishers of Mankind. God punishes Man's iniquity by empowering a so-called Animal -- the Ape -- to serve as God's scourge. Just as 'God' empowered the Assyrians and Babylonians to lord it over the people of Israel and Judah -- as punishment for their 'sins' -- having prophets like Daniel picture those pagan dictatorships as "beasts" that r ise up out of the sea (etc)... so, too, does this same 'God' empower the Apes to punish Man. At least, for a time. 

      'God' didn't need Taylor to call upon Him to damn the human race to Hell. 'God' had already empowered the Ape to make Man's life a living hell. The simian "beast" had risen up to become the Lords of mankind... and Man had been turned into a groveling beast, like Nebuchadnezzar, in punishment for his sins.

      Where Man once stood supreme, now rule the Apes!

      Patrick

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        Ben Dewey has announced that he and Jeff Parker are doing POTA for BOOM! comics. A miniseries or something, I guess. To check out Ben's style, click the illustration at the link.
       Next month will mark a year of BOOM! Ape comics.
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61324 From: Dario Sciola Date: 3/30/2012
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      It's great that they are working on yet more apes, but does anyone know whats happened to the Terror line they were supposed to republish?

      The initial release dates listed show that Terror #2 should have been out this week and yet they haven't even gotten around to putting out #1. The comics shops themselves do not get any revised dates once the initial shipping dates slip. The BOOM discussion forums are pretty bare and useless.

      This is taking forever and it can't be the due to the creators being late submitting their work since that parts been done (approaching 40 years now). Whats the holdup? I hope it's not publishing rights.

      Dario

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      Ben Dewey has announced that he and Jeff Parker are doing POTA for BOOM! comics. A miniseries or something, I guess. To check out Ben's style, click the illustration at the link.
      Next month will mark a year of BOOM! Ape comics.

      http://www.apecentral.net/2012/03/ben-dewey-artist-of-the-planet-of-the-apes.html"
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        You thought POTA was just good, clean fun. Well, laugh it up, we're almost out of here. How much time has the world got?!
       
       
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61327 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/31/2012
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        What's the deal with Hiya Toys that is putting out the Caesar action figure in July? I went to their website and it's in Chinese. Is this going to be like Medicom where it's hard to find and costs an arm and a leg? (Caesar comes with 3 sets of hands but only one set of arms and legs) I want to be able to wear a mask, go into Toys 'R Us and buy this dude for a reasonable price. $25 for 5" figure?
       
       
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      Group: potadg Message: 61328 From: Sal & Mick Date: 4/6/2012
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      I have been told Terror is on hold.

       

      I’m not sure why.

       

      Personally I have been wondering why anyone would bother with ANOTHER reissue!

       

      That's why I asked them if it's coloured....NOTHING comes out without colour now...or if they had planned to provide a conclusion.

       

      Anyone interested in TERROR can still get the originals at a good price or the ADVENTURE reissues at a good price.

       

      I hope they have put it on hold to add colour, and to finish it off, and make it a trade paperback.  Now THAT would sell, particularly if they get Moench and Ploog involved.

       

      Otherwise the new series would only have lasted till they realised nobody needs it!  I mean what could they offer - new covers?  And 3 or 4 each of them?

       

      Anyway, here's hoping they it would have are fine tuning this and it's not the death bell for their apes comics!

       

      Michael

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      Yeah, it is weird that they'd want to reissue/reprint TERROR, the money
      they're spending on the rights to it could (possibly) be enough to do another
      mini-series which would be better...

      You're right about the multiple covers thing... One every now and then for
      a special mini-series or something is one thing, but to do it continually
      for every release is overkill...

      And one thing, ever colorizing TERROR can't make that mess any better...
      All the non APES stuff is there makes the RETURN series look like canon by
      comparison...




      In a message dated 4/6/2012 1:13:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
      smwhitty@... writes:


      > I have been told Terror is on hold.
      >
      > I'm not sure why.
      >
      > Personally I have been wondering why anyone would bother with ANOTHER
      > reissue!
      >
      > That's why I asked them if it's coloured....NOTHING comes out without
      > colour now...or if they had planned to provide a conclusion.
      >
      > Anyone interested in TERROR can still get the originals at a good price or
      > the ADVENTURE reissues at a good price.
      >
      > I hope they have put it on hold to add colour, and to finish it off, and
      > make it a trade paperback. Now THAT would sell, particularly if they get
      > Moench and Ploog involved.
      >
      > Otherwise the new series would only have lasted till they realised nobody
      > needs it! I mean what could they offer - new covers? And 3 or 4 each of
      > them?
      >
      > Anyway, here's hoping they it would have are fine tuning this and it's not
      > the death bell for their apes comics!
      >

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      From: Jeff K.
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        The only interesting reason to do it would be to finish it with Ploog and Moench. Didn't you say they suggested something like that (with a non-answer)? Maybe they're still working that out.

      From: Sal & Mick
      Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:13 PM
      Subject: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!

       

      I have been told Terror is on hold.

      I’m not sure why.

      Personally I have been wondering why anyone would bother with ANOTHER reissue!

      That's why I asked them if it's coloured....NOTHING comes out without colour now...or if they had planned to provide a conclusion.

      Anyone interested in TERROR can still get the originals at a good price or the ADVENTURE reissues at a good price.

      I hope they have put it on hold to add colour, and to finish it off, and make it a trade paperback.  Now THAT would sell, particularly if they get Moench and Ploog involved.

      Otherwise the new series would only have lasted till they realised nobody needs it!  I mean what could they offer - new covers?  And 3 or 4 each of them?

      Anyway, here's hoping they it would have are fine tuning this and it's not the death bell for their apes comics!

      Michael

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      Group: potadg Message: 61331 From: Jeff K. Date: 4/6/2012
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        There's been no word on when "Rise 2" will arrive but some recent scheduling of other Fox sci-fi franchises might hold a clue. Originally their almighty "Avatar" franchise was supposed to return for back to back sequels in 2014 and 2015. Producer Jon Landau sez that ain't gonna happen. He says expect the next one in 2015 at the earliest. "Rise"meisters WETA are developing an underwater motion capture system which should be the big innovation for "Avatar 2" (so later Caesar can go underwater).  http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avatar-2-delay-2015-jon-landau-james-cameron-weta-digital-308743
       
        Meanwhile, Fox is looking at a January start for their "X-Men: First Class" sequel. "First Class" just came out last year with "Rise", of course. I would guess that means it wouldn't be ready for Summer 2013 (and they've already got "Wolverine" planned for that). This is just further proof that Fox is jumping on these franchises. "Rise" made a lot more than any "X-Men" movie and the sequel is reportedly a "priority" for the studio. So I expect an announcement any day (unless there's major problems with the script).  http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-sequel-hunger-games-jennifer-lawrence-january-308844
       
        And let's not forget the very weird March that sci-fi movies had. There was "John Carter", the expensive space opera that was officially announced to lose $ 200 million. And "The Hunger Games", the dystopian sci-fier that is making a fortune (it's been out two weeks and it will probably pass Rise's worldwide box office total soon). What lessons will Hollywood take from these and apply to science fiction such as the POTA franchise? Maybe smaller budgets and grittier tales? Or will the apes make the humans do a survival show called "The Human Games"? As always with POTA, time will tell.
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