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Saw it recently and enjoyed it very much, a good movie despite all the negative press surrounding it. More people should go and see it.

Neil T.

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I got a email from my comics shop which lists the status of all my pending purchases and it now shows that Terror 1, 2, and 3 are 'Cancelled', while it shows that Terror 4 is still 'Pending'. Now this could be some automatic timeout thing where the distributor, Diamond, just says give the people who've paid their money back because these have been on hold for too long (and would have to be re-listed anyway if they were to go ahead). But after so long, I'm guessing that this is a lot more complicated that a minor glitch and in all likelihood we won't be seeing it.

For what it's worth, I just read the latest issue of the POTA ongoing series and some of the art was amazing. Still enjoying the story there.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:28:54 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!









From: Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!


The only interesting reason to do it would be to finish it with Ploog and Moench. Didn't you say they suggested something like that (with a non-answer)? Maybe they're still working that out.




From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!








I have been told Terror is on hold.



I'm not sure why.



Personally I have been wondering why anyone would bother with ANOTHER reissue!



That's why I asked them if it's coloured....NOTHING comes out without colour now...or if they had planned to provide a conclusion.



Anyone interested in TERROR can still get the originals at a good price or the ADVENTURE reissues at a good price.



I hope they have put it on hold to add colour, and to finish it off, and make it a trade paperback. Now THAT would sell, particularly if they get Moench and Ploog involved.



Otherwise the new series would only have lasted till they realised nobody needs it! I mean what could they offer - new covers? And 3 or 4 each of them?



Anyway, here's hoping they it would have are fine tuning this and it's not the death bell for their apes comics!



Michael

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I'm yet to see the first issue of the new 4 part series – has it been released yet?

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dario Sciola
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 1:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Terror Cancelled?

 

 

I got a email from my comics shop which lists the status of all my pending purchases and it now shows that Terror 1, 2, and 3 are 'Cancelled', while it shows that Terror 4 is still 'Pending'. Now this could be some automatic timeout thing where the distributor, Diamond, just says give the people who've paid their money back because these have been on hold for too long (and would have to be re-listed anyway if they were to go ahead). But after so long, I'm guessing that this is a lot more complicated that a minor glitch and in all likelihood we won't be seeing it.

For what it's worth, I just read the latest issue of the POTA ongoing series and some of the art was amazing. Still enjoying the story there.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:28:54 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!

From: Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!

The only interesting reason to do it would be to finish it with Ploog and Moench. Didn't you say they suggested something like that (with a non-answer)? Maybe they're still working that out.

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] TerrorFYING!

I have been told Terror is on hold.

I'm not sure why.

Personally I have been wondering why anyone would bother with ANOTHER reissue!

That's why I asked them if it's coloured....NOTHING comes out without colour now...or if they had planned to provide a conclusion.

Anyone interested in TERROR can still get the originals at a good price or the ADVENTURE reissues at a good price.

I hope they have put it on hold to add colour, and to finish it off, and make it a trade paperback. Now THAT would sell, particularly if they get Moench and Ploog involved.

Otherwise the new series would only have lasted till they realised nobody needs it! I mean what could they offer - new covers? And 3 or 4 each of them?

Anyway, here's hoping they it would have are fine tuning this and it's not the death bell for their apes comics!

Michael

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A short piece from last January by original Argentinian POTA comic writer Jorge Morhain. He talks about the Fan Club translations and shares some Sergio Mulko artwork for an unfinished new comic (from that time). Thank you Google Translate.

http://clubdelahistorieta.telam.com.ar/?p=15

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He said something about "interupted communication"? That site has lots of articles about comics and pop culture, mostly written by Morhain. If I could understand Spanish it would probably be a good read.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Cool. Wow, I'd forgotten about these!
>
> Where did we end up with the new one?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of
> Neil Moxham
> Sent: Saturday, 14 April 2012 10:48 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Argentine Apes
>
>
>
>
>
> A short piece from last January by original Argentinian POTA comic writer
> Jorge Morhain. He talks about the Fan Club translations and shares some
> Sergio Mulko artwork for an unfinished new comic (from that time). Thank you
> Google Translate.
>
> http://clubdelahistorieta.telam.com.ar/?p=15
>

My long overdue review of Conspiracy:

http://lazaruslair.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/conspiracy-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-2011/

Dario

Hey Dario---

Just read your review of my book--thanks! I appreciate the praise, and always welcome criticism as well. All writers, be they amateurs or professionals, should always be looking improve their craft, and I always strive to make my next book better than the last.

I just wanted to clarify a few points, which perhaps didn't come through as clearly as I had wanted them to in the novel-- some readers seemed to have picked up on these points, and others have not.


SPOILERS AHEAD!
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1. ABOUT THE MUTANTS' POWERS
Throughout the second film, the mutants comment on how they are "defenseless", but the promo newspaper that came out prior to the film stated that they had a General of the Defense. While under no obligation to make these conflicting statements connect, doing just that was part of the challenge I had set before me in crafting this book. My concept was that with this man's power, because of his family line and their particular mutation, the mutants were much more powerful than otherwise shown AFTER he is no longer part fo their command structure (as is the case in Beneath). In the process of attempting total control of Landon, the General is overloaded by the feedback of raw primal emotion-- and is turned into a vegetable, leaving the rest of the mutants 'defenseless' for the second film (at least, in range and potency).

Remember the night in the camp, when Landon awakens, thinking he sees someone, and then is distracted by a "meteorite" slamming into the desert behind him (an illusion) -- the mutants were there, and had psychically 'tagged' him in that moment, like you might tag a deer and set it free to track it's range and habits. The entire scene after that is all mutant illusion, as well.

The music he heard, a favorite song from his childhood, served as a distraction, playing in the back of his head, which he could use to concentrate on, and break their control, temporarily. They had prevented him from speaking, because they did not want him to reveal anything that might clue their enemy (the apes - whose technological ability they were as of yet unclear of) might use to realize he was under their control, as their unwitting "spy".

The mutants, in the end, don't exhibit the power they do here in 'Beneath' because with the loss of the General of the Defense, their conduit--their focal point of their power-- they have been robbed of these abilities.

2. ABOUT THE LANDON AND TAYLOR CONFLICT
The party scene, and Landon's hatred of Taylor, are a fabrication of his mind, spurned on by the mutants. Taylor's attitude is presented exactly as in the film-- he's in charge, he doesn't care about what they left behind, and Landon better "grow up" and deal with it- but he certainly doesn't hate the man.

In reality- there was no "love triangle" -- Stewart had had an affair with Landon in their previous mission, and that was it, as far as she was concerned. The Mutants grabbed hold of Landon's feelings of loss, regret that Stewart was dead, and the arguments with Taylor and AMPLIFIED them in his mind, so they could turn him against Taylor (clearly the alpha of the group) and keep the Colonel from undermining their fact finding mission.

If Taylor had even ever slept with Stewart, John Landon wouldn't be privy to it. He might have suspicions, but it is those types of thoughts that the mutants can seize upon and use to pervert someone to acts they do not wish to commit (like forcing Brent to strangle Nova, or Brent to fight Taylor). Taylor's true feelings about Stewart will be revealed in Death of the Planet of the Apes.

If you watch the film again, you will see times when Landon is simply staring into the sand, not really there...

...and those were the moments when the mutants were feeding these thoughts into his head.

Remember: all of Landon's hatred in my novel is in his head-- never does he tell Taylor he hates him, or attack the man-- but he hears whispers on the wind telling him to "Kill Taylor."

To Taylor, Landon was simply someone who needed to grow a pair and accept their new reality. Taylor was truly saddened to see John's mind had been cut out.

I hope that shed's some light on the points you had some issues with, and I look forward to hearing back from you!

Yours,
Drew Gaska
Author, Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> My long overdue review of Conspiracy:
>
> http://lazaruslair.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/conspiracy-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-2011/
>
> Dario
>

Thanks for taking the time to explain a few things Drew.

Given that Landon was under the influence of the mutants much earlier on than I thought him to be certainly does clear up some of the misconceptions on my part. I'm not sure if I missed something obvious or if it could have been made more clear in the book exactly at which point Landon fell under their influence.

I agree that the love triangle I alluded to should have been described as a 'perceived' love triangle and that it was clear to me that Stewart did not really have any feelings for Landon. It was something that assumed right from the start. However from the film's point view at least we really don't see much more than superficial animosity from Landon directed towards Taylor. So I don't completely buy into the notion that even if it was only in Landon's head that there was this overt hatred and hostility. Landon would have exposed at least some of his feelings towards Taylor and we really see none of that in the movie, at least not to the degree implied here.

In any case I hope it was clear that as a whole I certainly enjoyed the book and am looking forward to Death on the POTA. Please be sure to update us on any progress you can share with us.

I do have one question I'm really hoping that you can answer in the affirmative. Will we be getting the same type glorious illustrations and art as in Conspiracy? Not to undermine the story value, but that art was worth the price of the book alone.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blam" <blamventurer@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:36:35 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Conspiracy Review

Hey Dario---

Just read your review of my book--thanks! I appreciate the praise, and always welcome criticism as well. All writers, be they amateurs or professionals, should always be looking improve their craft, and I always strive to make my next book better than the last.

I just wanted to clarify a few points, which perhaps didn't come through as clearly as I had wanted them to in the novel-- some readers seemed to have picked up on these points, and others have not.


SPOILERS AHEAD!
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
1. ABOUT THE MUTANTS' POWERS
Throughout the second film, the mutants comment on how they are "defenseless", but the promo newspaper that came out prior to the film stated that they had a General of the Defense. While under no obligation to make these conflicting statements connect, doing just that was part of the challenge I had set before me in crafting this book. My concept was that with this man's power, because of his family line and their particular mutation, the mutants were much more powerful than otherwise shown AFTER he is no longer part fo their command structure (as is the case in Beneath). In the process of attempting total control of Landon, the General is overloaded by the feedback of raw primal emotion-- and is turned into a vegetable, leaving the rest of the mutants 'defenseless' for the second film (at least, in range and potency).

Remember the night in the camp, when Landon awakens, thinking he sees someone, and then is distracted by a "meteorite" slamming into the desert behind him (an illusion) -- the mutants were there, and had psychically 'tagged' him in that moment, like you might tag a deer and set it free to track it's range and habits. The entire scene after that is all mutant illusion, as well.

The music he heard, a favorite song from his childhood, served as a distraction, playing in the back of his head, which he could use to concentrate on, and break their control, temporarily. They had prevented him from speaking, because they did not want him to reveal anything that might clue their enemy (the apes - whose technological ability they were as of yet unclear of) might use to realize he was under their control, as their unwitting "spy".

The mutants, in the end, don't exhibit the power they do here in 'Beneath' because with the loss of the General of the Defense, their conduit--their focal point of their power-- they have been robbed of these abilities.

2. ABOUT THE LANDON AND TAYLOR CONFLICT
The party scene, and Landon's hatred of Taylor, are a fabrication of his mind, spurned on by the mutants. Taylor's attitude is presented exactly as in the film-- he's in charge, he doesn't care about what they left behind, and Landon better "grow up" and deal with it- but he certainly doesn't hate the man.

In reality- there was no "love triangle" -- Stewart had had an affair with Landon in their previous mission, and that was it, as far as she was concerned. The Mutants grabbed hold of Landon's feelings of loss, regret that Stewart was dead, and the arguments with Taylor and AMPLIFIED them in his mind, so they could turn him against Taylor (clearly the alpha of the group) and keep the Colonel from undermining their fact finding mission.

If Taylor had even ever slept with Stewart, John Landon wouldn't be privy to it. He might have suspicions, but it is those types of thoughts that the mutants can seize upon and use to pervert someone to acts they do not wish to commit (like forcing Brent to strangle Nova, or Brent to fight Taylor). Taylor's true feelings about Stewart will be revealed in Death of the Planet of the Apes.

If you watch the film again, you will see times when Landon is simply staring into the sand, not really there...

...and those were the moments when the mutants were feeding these thoughts into his head.

Remember: all of Landon's hatred in my novel is in his head-- never does he tell Taylor he hates him, or attack the man-- but he hears whispers on the wind telling him to "Kill Taylor."

To Taylor, Landon was simply someone who needed to grow a pair and accept their new reality. Taylor was truly saddened to see John's mind had been cut out.

I hope that shed's some light on the points you had some issues with, and I look forward to hearing back from you!

Yours,
Drew Gaska
Author, Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> My long overdue review of Conspiracy:
>
> http://lazaruslair.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/conspiracy-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-2011/
>
> Dario
>



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Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition






Thanks Jeff – this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?

Michael



PS This kinda confirms the death of this group – something this significant gets no comments? Sad.






From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition

















From: Jeff K.


Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM


To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com


Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition





Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124

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Oh, Facebook is evil alright. No doubt about it. Right up there with sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. But sometimes you just want to have fun. :)

On a more sombre note, this group and all the others using Yahoo as a host should seriously consider a "plan B". Yahoo had another dismal financial quarter and if things don't improve they could pull the plug on their group hosting services at any time. They already have said that the discussion groups won't be affected, but just the fact that they made that statement is evidence enough that at one point it was discussed and also something that they knew people needed immediate reassurances on.

I don't want to be the alarmist, sky is falling down, messenger of bad news, but I don't want to stand silently by and just ignore the signs either. So far it looks like 'plan B' is facebook where just like o Yahoo, they already have more than one POTA group. I'll be the first to admit that I don't like it as much as this or the 'other' Yahoo group, but at least it does offer another discussion venue.

Ideally we would have a dedicated discussion forum site but those that have popped in the past have never gained any real traction unless I've really missed to boat on one.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:36:34 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition




Well, excuuuuse me! I don't say all Facebook is evil simply because they are in my face. But our great Lawgiver tells us that never, never will Facebook have the divine faculty to distinguish between evil and good. The only good news is Yahoo news!




From: Dario Sciola
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition





Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sal & Mick" < smwhitty@... >
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition

Thanks Jeff – this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?

Michael

PS This kinda confirms the death of this group – something this significant gets no comments? Sad.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition

Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124

Ah well looks like I'm just about finished with the POTA world then if Yahoo do shut these groups down. I don't 'do Facebook' my self, never have and have no desire to start now.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, Facebook is evil alright. No doubt about it. Right up there with sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. But sometimes you just want to have fun. :)
>
> On a more sombre note, this group and all the others using Yahoo as a host should seriously consider a "plan B". Yahoo had another dismal financial quarter and if things don't improve they could pull the plug on their group hosting services at any time. They already have said that the discussion groups won't be affected, but just the fact that they made that statement is evidence enough that at one point it was discussed and also something that they knew people needed immediate reassurances on.
>
> I don't want to be the alarmist, sky is falling down, messenger of bad news, but I don't want to stand silently by and just ignore the signs either. So far it looks like 'plan B' is facebook where just like o Yahoo, they already have more than one POTA group. I'll be the first to admit that I don't like it as much as this or the 'other' Yahoo group, but at least it does offer another discussion venue.
>
> Ideally we would have a dedicated discussion forum site but those that have popped in the past have never gained any real traction unless I've really missed to boat on one.
>
> Dario
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:36:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> Well, excuuuuse me! I don't say all Facebook is evil simply because they are in my face. But our great Lawgiver tells us that never, never will Facebook have the divine faculty to distinguish between evil and good. The only good news is Yahoo news!
>
>
>
>
> From: Dario Sciola
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
>
>
> Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sal & Mick" < smwhitty@... >
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> Thanks Jeff â€" this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?
>
> Michael
>
> PS This kinda confirms the death of this group â€" something this significant gets no comments? Sad.
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> From: Jeff K.
>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124
>

I know Neil. And that's why I hope that we can come up with a better "Plan B" than Facebook. But the nail is not in the coffin yet. I just wish that Yahoo was a stable company instead of in what seems to be a death spiral. What bugs me is that they DO have plenty of active discussion groups, but have not figured out some way to capitalize on what they've got.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:18:12 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition

Ah well looks like I'm just about finished with the POTA world then if Yahoo do shut these groups down. I don't 'do Facebook' my self, never have and have no desire to start now.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, Facebook is evil alright. No doubt about it. Right up there with sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. But sometimes you just want to have fun. :)
>
> On a more sombre note, this group and all the others using Yahoo as a host should seriously consider a "plan B". Yahoo had another dismal financial quarter and if things don't improve they could pull the plug on their group hosting services at any time. They already have said that the discussion groups won't be affected, but just the fact that they made that statement is evidence enough that at one point it was discussed and also something that they knew people needed immediate reassurances on.
>
> I don't want to be the alarmist, sky is falling down, messenger of bad news, but I don't want to stand silently by and just ignore the signs either. So far it looks like 'plan B' is facebook where just like o Yahoo, they already have more than one POTA group. I'll be the first to admit that I don't like it as much as this or the 'other' Yahoo group, but at least it does offer another discussion venue.
>
> Ideally we would have a dedicated discussion forum site but those that have popped in the past have never gained any real traction unless I've really missed to boat on one.
>
> Dario
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:36:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
>
> Well, excuuuuse me! I don't say all Facebook is evil simply because they are in my face. But our great Lawgiver tells us that never, never will Facebook have the divine faculty to distinguish between evil and good. The only good news is Yahoo news!
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> From: Dario Sciola
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:40 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
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> Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sal & Mick" < smwhitty@... >
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> Thanks Jeff â€" this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?
>
> Michael
>
> PS This kinda confirms the death of this group â€" something this significant gets no comments? Sad.
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> From: Jeff K.
>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
> Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124
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Likewise, I saw this on Facebook too, even though I haven't really gotten involved in it's POTA groups.

I don't think I'm betraying any confidences, but... Vern Dietsche (who made 'Salvation') tells me that he's back in contact with Bill and talking about doing another Apes project. That's as much as I know, but it could be cool.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
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>
>
>
> Thanks Jeff â€" this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?
>
> Michael
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>
>
> PS This kinda confirms the death of this group â€" something this significant gets no comments? Sad.
>
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>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
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> From: Jeff K.
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> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM
>
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
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>
> Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124
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When was this on?



In a message dated 4/29/2012 5:21:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
smwhitty@... writes:

> Well that makes it 3 episodes now featuring POTA!
>
> Brian (from APEMANIA) was on recently and now Les Hemstock appears with
> his "Blood Crying Lawgiver" cast from Beneath!
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> Michael
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Wasn't that Bleeding Lawgiver up for auction about a year ago? And did they say anything about that Statue of Liberty prop Les had?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Well that makes it 3 episodes now featuring POTA!
>
> Brian (from APEMANIA) was on recently and now Les Hemstock appears with his
> "Blood Crying Lawgiver" cast from Beneath!
>
>
>
> Michae;l
>

I saw that episode the other night. It went for about $25,000 I think.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...> wrote:
>and now Les Hemstock appears with his
> "Blood Crying Lawgiver" cast from Beneath!

That probably would have been the auction in this show then. Nothing about that Statue of Liberty prop.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Moxham" <neilmoxham@...> wrote:
>
> Wasn't that Bleeding Lawgiver up for auction about a year ago? And did they say anything about that Statue of Liberty prop Les had?

To be released in a couple of days apparently:

Release Date: 03/05/2012
Format: CD
Author: Pierre Boulle
Product Ref: 9781445846798
Contains: 6 CDs
Duration: 6 hours approx

http://www.bbcshop.com/science-fiction/planet-of-the-apes-unabridged/invt/9781445846798/&bklist=

Neil T.

I've been moving & quite busy the last few weeks. So I haven't been on...but I too had seen this with sound a while back. I wouldn't take this as the death of the group. Some of us are still here.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Not sure about the others but I did not say anything because this was kind of old news to me. It was put on Facebook in one of the POTA groups there a few weeks ago. Surprised that you did not see it there. If you haven't done so already I recommend you join the FB POTA groups. Sure a lot of the info and media that pops up are 'old hat' to us, but there are a few interesting things that pop up every now and then as well (this being an good example). If nothing else, you get to see all of Jessica's cool projects all the time. :)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sal & Mick" <smwhitty@...>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:25:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Jeff â€" this was fascinating! Did you ever work out where Bill is?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> PS This kinda confirms the death of this group â€" something this significant gets no comments? Sad.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
> Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
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> From: Jeff K.
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> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:18 PM
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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Subject: "Salvation on the POTA" Special Edition
>
>
>
>
>
> Travel back with me through the mists of time, children, to an age when Bill Blake and Paula Crist WERE the POTA (so said Marvel's POTA magazine). For many decades "Salvation on the POTA" had no sound. Recently, in 2012, the sound was found. 2012, that's only 3 years ago! No, wait, that's THIS year! So, let's go back through the mists of time, children.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aUZasZ124
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Title:		Tom Scott's Birthday
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Another POTA writer shafted, Zaius? It's hard to believe!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The Hollywood Reporter reports that a new writer has been enlisted on the "Rise of the POTA" sequel. It's Scott Burns. Who? Don't play dumb! He wrote "The Bourne Ultimatum" and "The Informant!" but interestingly he also wrote "Contagion" about a virus taking out humanity.
> "Rise" itself had a revolving door of writers before going back to the original writers, who have also worked on "Rise 2".
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/contagion-writer-scott-burns-rise-of-planet-apes-324654
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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group
Title:		The novel Planet of the Apes (Monkey Planet) published
Date:		Thursday May 17, 2012
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These covers look interesting...

Hopefully they'll live up to expectations (and being able to buy multiple
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In the fifth chapter of Boulle's novel, Ulysse Merou informs his readers that he himself had given the beautiful native Soror female human a name: 

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My condolences on your loss.

Given the age of the majority of POTA fans here, I would imagine that most of us are sympathetic to the situation you just faced. I know that I am. I guess I am one of the luckier ones in that both my parents are still alive, but they are definitely in their twilight years. At least you were able to share some POTA memories together. I doubt most of us can claim even that.

Take care,

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:42:59 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Death of a father





My dad died last Sunday and his memorial is Saturday. I bring it up because of the POTA connections. My own POTA adventures meant he knew Natalie Trundy and Bill "stage Cornelius" Blake personally. One of my favorite POTA memories is when I took Natalie to a sci-fi convention because Charlton Heston was going to be there. It was just after POTA2001 was greenlit. Linda Harrison was there and one of her sons and we hung with Heston and then Natalie and Linda took me to lunch. Anyway, the next day was my dad's birthday (so I guess April 2000) and it didn't occur to me to say something, I guess Natalie did, and Linda signed one of her hotter pictures to my dad, saying, "You were fantastic last night!". Just a terrific idea for an autographed photo and he loved it. That was such a sweet gesture from Natalie and Linda and I will always be grateful. My dad never understood my love of POTA either as a kid or an adult and that's something I was sad about but such are relationships.
Another thing that occurred to me lately is how the death of a father is significant in both the POTA movies that came out in the last almost 40 years. There's the scene between Thade and his father (played by Heston himself). Yeah, people groan about that scene (damn, they got Heston in ape makeup and that's the best they could come up with?) but I'm always moved by Thade's reaction to his dad's death. This scene is significant because Tim Burton's dad died during preproduction on POTA2001. Reportedly he was never close to his folks but there was something there because his next film was the ode to fatherhood "Big Fish". As it turns out, I love that movie and the song Eddie Vedder wrote for it, "Man of the Hour" and in fact I'm quoting it in the memorial card people will receive at my dad's service:

And the road the old man paved
The broken seams along the way
The rusted signs left just for me
He was guiding me
Love, his own way

Now the man of the hour
Is taking his final bow
As the curtain comes down
I feel this is just goodbye for now

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/10/dark-shadows-tim-burton-and-richard-zanuck-form-a-family/

And of course the death of a father plays a big part in "Rise of the POTA" (it could be considered the reason the POTA is born). My dad was struggling with his health when that came out and I felt it was a pretty interesting theme for the original POTA generation. They were kids when the original POTA movies came out and now many of them are dealing with the same thing Will is in the movie, aging parents.
So, here's to you dad, and to all the POTA fathers who are struggling.

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