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Group: potadg	Message: 61632	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: partying with BOOM!

Group: potadg	Message: 61633	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: partying with BOOM!

Group: potadg	Message: 61634	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: partying with BOOM!

Group: potadg	Message: 61635	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Leonard Rosenman's Birthday, 9/7/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61636	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Ape Central is back

Group: potadg	Message: 61637	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61638	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61639	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61640	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61641	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61642	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61643	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

Group: potadg	Message: 61644	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Buck you

Group: potadg	Message: 61645	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Ape Central is back

Group: potadg	Message: 61646	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Happy 14th anniversary Hardman and Bechko

Group: potadg	Message: 61647	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Jacobs tells "Lincoln" a thing or two

Group: potadg	Message: 61648	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes TV series Premier, 9/13/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61649	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Aboro, Zanuck in new "Jaws" doc

Group: potadg	Message: 61650	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Tom Rothman leaving Fox

Group: potadg	Message: 61651	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/15/2012
Subject: "Dawn" of a new Fox era?

Group: potadg	Message: 61652	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: Roddy McDowall's Birthday, 9/17/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61653	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: ergo, "Argo"

Group: potadg	Message: 61654	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Group: potadg	Message: 61655	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: The director

Group: potadg	Message: 61656	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Group: potadg	Message: 61657	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: The director

Group: potadg	Message: 61658	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Group: potadg	Message: 61659	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Group: potadg	Message: 61660	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Paul Williams' Birthday, 9/19/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61661	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: In his Chambers best

Group: potadg	Message: 61662	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: "Battlestar" babes talk POTA director's departure

Group: potadg	Message: 61663	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Tom Rothman lands on his feet

Group: potadg	Message: 61664	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: John Chambers "Argo" poster

Group: potadg	Message: 61665	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: hunt for a POTA director is on

Group: potadg	Message: 61666	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: going to the Matt for POTA?

Group: potadg	Message: 61667	From: smwhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Re: hunt for a POTA director is on

Group: potadg	Message: 61668	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: J. Lee Thompson still champ

Group: potadg	Message: 61669	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Re: hunt for a POTA director is on

Group: potadg	Message: 61670	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday, 9/27/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61671	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Matt Reeves 101

Group: potadg	Message: 61672	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: OT- Matt Reeves 101

Group: potadg	Message: 61673	From: smwhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Re: OT- Matt Reeves 101

Group: potadg	Message: 61674	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: William Windom's Birthday, 9/28/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61675	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Chambers and "Argo"

Group: potadg	Message: 61676	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Who should direct "Dawn of the POTA"?

Group: potadg	Message: 61677	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: James Whitmore's Birthday, 10/1/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61678	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Damn! of the POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 61679	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: The new POTA director is...

Group: potadg	Message: 61680	From: Dario	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Liberty in Ruins

Group: potadg	Message: 61681	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: Liberty in Ruins

Group: potadg	Message: 61682	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Charlton Heston's Birthday, 10/4/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61683	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Woodrow Parfrey's Birthday, 10/5/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61684	From: Tim	Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: OT: Happy James Bond Day!

Group: potadg	Message: 61685	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: OT: Happy James Bond Day!

Group: potadg	Message: 61686	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Rocket, man!

Group: potadg	Message: 61687	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

Group: potadg	Message: 61688	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

Group: potadg	Message: 61689	From: drzaiusdavis	Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

Group: potadg	Message: 61690	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Dan Striekepe's Birthday, 10/8/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61691	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Will Caesar take a Slusho break?

Group: potadg	Message: 61692	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: John Goodman talks John Chambers

Group: potadg	Message: 61693	From: Patrick	Date: 10/10/2012
Subject: Fat Man

Group: potadg	Message: 61694	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: "Argo" rocks

Group: potadg	Message: 61695	From: Chris Hight	Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: "Argo" rocks

Group: potadg	Message: 61696	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Mark Lenard's Birthday, 10/15/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61697	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: the real "Argo" (possible spoilers)

Group: potadg	Message: 61698	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: new "Dawn of the POTA" writer

Group: potadg	Message: 61699	From: Chris Hight	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: new "Dawn of the POTA" writer

Group: potadg	Message: 61700	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Ain't it John Chambers

Group: potadg	Message: 61701	From: Dario	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: OT: Bob Burns

Group: potadg	Message: 61702	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: OT: Bob Burns

Group: potadg	Message: 61703	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: Re: Ain't it John Chambers

Group: potadg	Message: 61704	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: Re: Ain't it John Chambers

Group: potadg	Message: 61705	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2012
Subject: James Daly's Birthday, 10/23/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61706	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61707	From: Mike R	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61708	From: drzaiusdavis	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61709	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61710	From: Paul	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61711	From: Dario	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61712	From: Alan Warner	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61713	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61714	From: Jeremy Harding1	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61715	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" shooting in New Orleans?

Group: potadg	Message: 61716	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61717	From: jessica rotich	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61718	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61719	From: Alan Warner	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61720	From: atragon1@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61721	From: Chris Hight	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61722	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61723	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61724	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Elvira talks POTA collectibles

Group: potadg	Message: 61725	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans

Group: potadg	Message: 61726	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: Kim Hunter's Birthday, 11/12/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61727	From: Patrick	Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61728	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Group: potadg	Message: 61729	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61730	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

Group: potadg	Message: 61731	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0

Group: potadg	Message: 61632	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: partying with BOOM!

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I went to the "POTA: Cataclysm" launch tonight at Meltdown Comics (reportedly Robin Williams' fave comic book shop). Not much of people buying comic books but lots of munchies and especially booze. They even made a drink called Planet of the Apes.

http://www.kindredcocktails.com/cocktail/planet-of-the-apes

And they had banana chips, beer, sodas, etc. Gabriel Hardman and Corinna Bechko were there signing, as well as some of the behind-the-scenes folks (pics at Boom's twitter). Gabriel got there from Fox, where he is storyboarding a certain movie we are interested in, but his lips were sealed.

I was told BOOM! and Fox are happy with how things are going so it looks like we'll have POTA comics for years to come (BOOM! has a 4 or 5 year license and we're only about a year & 1/2 in). "Cataclysm" has been outlined for a year so it will be around at least that long. Gabriel has a heavy workload, especially with his creator-owned comics, so he will not be doing any interior POTA art ("Betrayal" scratched the itch).

I talked to them about the moon blowing up. Corinna is the researcher of the team. We don't know what would happen if the moon were gone but her research indicated things could continue on for 1,000 years. Gabriel said the weird topography of the POTA could play into the idea of the moon being gone (such as the Forbidden Zone). I told Corinna some fans (like me) weren't thrilled with the moon being blown up and she basically said that's fine, debates are welcome.

They haven't officially announced it but Darryl Gregory's POTA comic will conclude with 3 "oversized" comic issues. So that's my exclusive scoop. Alex Ross is only doing covers for the first 4 issues of "Cataclysm" but they confirmed he's a POTA fan. I guess that's all I have to report. I forgot to ask about the "Terror" reprints. It felt more like a company party than a signing. There were only about 3 others besides me who actually bought comics. But it was fun meeting the BOOM! team.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61633	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: partying with BOOM!

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Did you ask them about the similarities between our comics? J

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2012 5:58 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] partying with BOOM!

http://www.kindredcocktails.com/cocktail/planet-of-the-apes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61634	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Re: partying with BOOM!

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No, but "Ape Chronicles" didn't seem to ring a bell for them.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:25 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] partying with BOOM!

Did you ask them about the similarities between our comics? J

http://www.kindredcocktails.com/cocktail/planet-of-the-apes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61635	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Leonard Rosenman's Birthday, 9/7/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Leonard Rosenman's Birthday

Date:		Friday September 7, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		Happy Birthday Leonard! (Composer: Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)& Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973))

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Group: potadg	Message: 61636	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/6/2012
Subject: Ape Central is back

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After a few months off, Ape Central, the site started by Ed Gross ("POTA Revisited"), is back with new POTArticles. He's looking for contributers to talk BOOM! comics, etc. It's a fun POTA pit stop so welcome back!

http://www.apecentral.net/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61637	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: planting the seed

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I planted the seed in actress Katee Sackhoff! She's co-hosting a movie podcast for a few weeks and I told her she should be in the next POTA movie since her "Battlestar Galactica" character was dubbed the Harbinger of Death as a nod to POTA (which she didn't know). Hilarity ensued. No it didn't, but those so inclined can listen or watch the antics at the link below (you can skip to around the 49 minute mark).

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSa9MR769w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izH9xUK9azI

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Group: potadg	Message: 61638	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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Ummm…what is the link?

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 8:59 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] planting the seed

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSa9MR769w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izH9xUK9azI

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Group: potadg	Message: 61639	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/7/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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The toadhop one. Scroll down.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:01 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] planting the seed

Ummmwhat is the link?

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSa9MR769w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izH9xUK9azI

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Group: potadg	Message: 61640	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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OK cool – got it!

You sure did plant the seed – then when she wanted to talk you were gone!

Whore! J xoxo

Michael

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61641	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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You saw it, she wanted me, dude! And I planted the seed! Some guys just have it. ; )

But I did come back like 5 minutes later.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:34 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] planting the seed

OK cool got it!

You sure did plant the seed then when she wanted to talk you were gone!

Whore! J xoxo

Michael

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61642	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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D’oh! So I have to go back and watch you planting your seed?!?!!

NNNNoooooooo!!

PS She’s great in LONGMIRE.

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2012 1:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] planting the seed

You saw it, she wanted me, dude! And I planted the seed! Some guys just have it. ; )

But I did come back like 5 minutes later.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:34 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] planting the seed

OK cool – got it!

You sure did plant the seed – then when she wanted to talk you were gone!

Whore! J xoxo

Michael

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61643	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/8/2012
Subject: Re: planting the seed

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Back at 55.20.

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sal & Mick
Sent: Sunday, 9 September 2012 7:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] planting the seed

D’oh! So I have to go back and watch you planting your seed?!?!!

NNNNoooooooo!!

PS She’s great in LONGMIRE.

Michael

You saw it, she wanted me, dude! And I planted the seed! Some guys just have it. ; )

But I did come back like 5 minutes later.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:34 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] planting the seed

OK cool – got it!

You sure did plant the seed – then when she wanted to talk you were gone!

Whore! J xoxo

Michael

Now we just have to enlist Jackie Earle Haley. That duo would be great at trying to foil ape dominance. I just know it.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

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Group: potadg	Message: 61644	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Buck you

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I'm still waiting...

I said when Buck is dying in "Rise" he seems to "deflate" into a traditional POTA gorilla. Nobody has bothered to check out that sequence to say whether I'm right or wrong.

So, as punishment, I am starting my Katee Sackhoff diary.

Katee Sackhoff Diary: Day 1.

Still no word whether Katee will be in "Dawn of the POTA".

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Group: potadg	Message: 61645	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 9/9/2012
Subject: Re: Ape Central is back

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What's weird is that I've never been able to access the Ape Central site. I've tried from a number of computers/networks/locations over the last few years but I always get a message that it cannot be accessed. I've never noticed that on other sites, it seems to be blocked in this country(?). Weird.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> After a few months off, Ape Central, the site started by Ed Gross ("POTA Revisited"), is back with new POTArticles. He's looking for contributers to talk BOOM! comics, etc. It's a fun POTA pit stop so welcome back!
>
> http://www.apecentral.net/
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 61646	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Happy 14th anniversary Hardman and Bechko

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Today is the wedding anniversary of POTA comics creators Gabriel Hardman and Corinna Bechko (er, I found out from twitter). If they had never met, the apes might still have their moon. But other than that it's been a good union for Apes fans, and they will carry the brunt (or is it "brent"?) of POTA storytelling during it's 50th anniversary in 2013. Congrats!

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Group: potadg	Message: 61647	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/10/2012
Subject: Jacobs tells "Lincoln" a thing or two

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Certainly one of the most anticipated movies to end the year is Steven Spielberg's "Lincoln", which is considered one of the front runners this award's season. Here is a "teaser" of the trailer that hits Thursday, a lyrical passage featuring David Oyelowo (Jacobs in "Rise") as a black soldier who recites one of Lincoln's most famous quotes to him. Daniel Day-Lewis plays Lincoln, and Jackie Earl Haley is also in the flick. Just sayin'.

http://collider.com/lincoln-movie-teaser-trailer/189761/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61648	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes TV series Premier, 9/13/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Planet of the Apes TV series Premier

Date:		Thursday September 13, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		The Planet of the Apes Television show premiered on this day in 1974

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Group: potadg	Message: 61649	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/13/2012
Subject: Aboro, Zanuck in new "Jaws" doc

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Today is the 38th anniversary of the POTA TV show. What's significant about the POTA TV show? It got me hooked on POTA. But alas, as we know, it didn't last long. So I moved on to "Jaws". If I had to pick two fictional creations that had the biggest impact on me as a kid, it would have to be those two. And both are dark tales of animals (as opposed to "Lassie" or "Flipper"; "Gentle Ben", remember that?). And both also had the late Richard Zanuck as a key player.

All of this is a way of saying that the new first "Jaws" blu-ray is in town and it includes the doc "The Shark is Still Working". I KNOW I've posted about this doc in the past. It was made not by the studio, but by a group of dedicated "Jaws" fans who just wanted to tell the story of how "Jaws" conquered the culture. They filmed it in 2005 - 2006, recording "Jaws" participants who are no longer with us, including Percy "Aboro" Rodrigues and now Zanuck. As POTA fans know, Percy has a terrific deep voice and delivery, and that served him well for doing narration for movie trailers (including "The Exorcist", "Jaws" and "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind", 3 of the biggest movies of the '70's).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkYRD51I34

So that's "Jaws", which was almost 40 years ago. It was directed by Steven Spielberg. If you don't know who he is, google him. And check out this new "Jaws" doc. What's Spielberg up to today (literally today)? He's doing a Q & A tonight about his new movie "Lincoln", as well as debut the first trailer for the potential Oscar winner.

http://www.lincolnmoviehangout.com

Who's in "Lincoln"? Is that what you asked? Well, many people, including Jackie Earle Haley as the Vice President of the Confederacy. See, this is the anniversary of the POTA TV show, and like Percy, Jackie was in the show (he played Kraik in "The Legacy") and he's also worked for Spielberg. Chuck Heston can't say that. So what we're saying here is it's a big day for Spielberg, a big day for the POTA TV show, and we all love POTA and "Jaws". And probably that Jackie Earle Haley will be in "Dawn of the POTA" with the Harbinger of Death.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/jakle06/2009/08/two-icons-bond-rorschach-meets-starbuck/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61650	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/14/2012
Subject: Tom Rothman leaving Fox

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Big news at 20th Century Fox, home of the POTA franchise. Longtime studio exec Tom Rothman is leaving the studio. Rothman was perhaps the most familiar of the Fox execs for hosting a Fox Movie Channel show and being given the public blame when Fox's movies suck. Rothman was known as a hands on exec (for example it was his idea to have the Golden Gate Bridge in "Rise") and so many movie fans are probably celebrating this. But he seemed to turn things around with stuff like "Rise" and "X-Men: First Class". Fox had a bad summer this year and also allowed one of the big hits to get away, the Mark Wahlberg "Ted" movie from Fox's home grown Seth McFarland.

Rothman's partner in crime Jim Gianopulos will now reportedly run the movie side of things. What does that mean for the in-development "Dawn of the POTA"? Stay tuned.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/tom-rothman-departing-fox-filmed-entertainment/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61651	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/15/2012
Subject: "Dawn" of a new Fox era?

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So what does Tom Rothman's departure mean for 20th Century Fox? Rothman was perhaps the most vilified studio exec in modern times. He reportedly very much placed his stamp on the Fox he oversaw. Things were great if Rothman liked a movie (he championed the Russell Crowe flick "Master and Commander", for example). But if he didn't he could insinuate his influence and rub creatives the wrong way. That's not to say filmmakers are always right or that they don't need practical advice. But Rothman was reportedly oppressive and the proof was often in the pudding with Fox's big movies. The cries of "Fox sucks" could often be heard.

Rothman and Jim Gianopulos ran Fox for over a decade (POTA2001 was their kickoff). It's rare for studio execs to last that long and especially working as a team. But Fox and it's parent News Corp. usually do not have the dramatic turnovers of other companies. They promote from within and their execs grow cobwebs. So probably the big picture at Fox won't change. It's still basically the same people there. But with Rothman gone, there might be a difference in what pictures get made, and more freedom for the filmmakers. Jim Gianopulos is now running the movie division and reportedly he's more filmmaker friendly. Rothman took credit in his buh-bye letter for the top 2 box office movies of all time but reportedly he didn't want to make "Titanic" or "Avatar". Gianopulos was the James Cameron handler (and a good friend of the filmmaker). If control freak Cameron likes Gianopulos then maybe some more interesting ideas will get through now. Gianopulos came up through distribution and is considered a pioneer in what is now big business selling movies internationally. American movies now make lots more in foreign countries than they do in the U.S. and Gianopulos led the charge. But he doesn't seem to be one to tell filmmakers how to make their movies (that was Rothman's job). Probably filmmakers will still be kept on a tight budget leash (one of the tightest of the major studios) because owner Rupert Murdoch still digs profit above all else. But I think Gianopulos will give filmmakers more breathing room and it might result in slightly better movies, especially on the summer "tent pole" level. But Gianopulos has remained in the shadows the last decade while Rothman has been up front, so it remains to be seen exactly what Gianopulos' style is and whether better movies will result.

Here's a good summation of the Rothman era at Fox:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/an-era-ends-at-fox-as-tom-rothman-prepares-to-leave-the-studio

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Group: potadg	Message: 61652	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2012
Subject: Roddy McDowall's Birthday, 9/17/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61653	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: ergo, "Argo"

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It's still a couple years until the next POTA movie but it's less than a month until the movie with John Goodman as our own John Chambers (and a cameo by "Battle"). It's already racking up lots of Oscar buzz. Here's the new poster.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/argo-poster1.jpg

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Group: potadg	Message: 61654	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

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http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-ruper-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

They spelled it wrong, not me! >: (

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:35 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Deadline Hollywood reports that Rupert Wyatt isn't happy with the release date of May 2014 and doesn't feel there will be enough time to make it. Fox is happy with the script and wants that release date. So it may be adios.

I'll miss him, but if that's the case, who should direct?

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-rupert-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61655	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/17/2012
Subject: The director

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OK, the idea that they don't have enough time to make "Dawn of the POTA"? I find that hard to believe, Mr. Smart. Three years is the average between sequels and lately they've been pushing it up to two. Plus, supposedly they've got a script they like, so they're ready to go.

So is it something else? Maybe the director doesn't like the script and they don't want to say that publically? Or maybe the director has had enough of Fox. His other two projects are at other studios so he hasn't exactly built a nest there.

I guess I'll just have to be a Transformers fan. Those movies run on time!

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Group: potadg	Message: 61656	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

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Good, maybe we can get a director on the next one who will give us a decent intelligent film.
In my fantasy world Clint Eastwood would be the director.

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-ruper-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
>
> They spelled it wrong, not me! >: (
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:35 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: "Rise" director leaving sequel?
>
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> Deadline Hollywood reports that Rupert Wyatt isn't happy with the release date of May 2014 and doesn't feel there will be enough time to make it. Fox is happy with the script and wants that release date. So it may be adios.
> I'll miss him, but if that's the case, who should direct?
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-rupert-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 61657	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: The director

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Maybe he’s after something…..intelligent….?!?!?! J xoxoxox

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 12:53 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] The director

I guess I'll just have to be a Transformers fan. Those movies run on time!

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Group: potadg	Message: 61658	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

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OOOhhhh yeah!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of munkeyman63au
Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012 3:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

Good, maybe we can get a director on the next one who will give us a decent intelligent film.
In my fantasy world Clint Eastwood would be the director.

Neil T. Foster

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
>

href="http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-ruper-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/">http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-ruper-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

>
> They spelled it wrong, not me! >: (
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:35 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com ;

href="mailto:PotaDG%40yahoogroups.com">PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: "Rise" director leaving sequel?
>
>
> Deadline Hollywood

reports that Rupert Wyatt isn't happy with the release date of May 2014 and doesn't feel there will be enough time to make it. Fox is happy with the script and wants that release date. So it may be adios.

> I'll miss him, but if that's the case, who should direct?
>
>

href="http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-rupert-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/">http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/another-fox-shocker-is-rupert-wyatt-exiting-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 61659	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

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He'd just give us his high concept "Planet of the Chairs".

"So, Mr. Chair. Why do you want to take over our planet? That's not nice. Still won't talk, eh?"

From: munkeyman63au

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:16 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

>
>

>
> They spelled it wrong, not me! >: (
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:35 PM
>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

>

Subject: "Rise" director leaving sequel?

>
>
> Deadline

Hollywood reports that Rupert Wyatt isn't happy with the release date of May 2014 and doesn't feel there will be enough time to make it. Fox is happy with the script and wants that release date. So it may be adios.

> I'll miss

him, but if that's the case, who should direct?

>
>

>

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Group: potadg	Message: 61660	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2012
Subject: Paul Williams' Birthday, 9/19/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61661	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/19/2012
Subject: In his Chambers best

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Here's the first still I've seen of John Goodman as John Chambers in "Argo".

http://www.hitfix.com/awards-campaign/contender-countdown-argo-is-on-the-lookout-for-frontrunner-killers

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Group: potadg	Message: 61662	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/21/2012
Subject: "Battlestar" babes talk POTA director's departure

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I was at it again, dragging "Battlestar Galactica" actresses into the POTA fray. This time there was two of them (and well dressed) as I brought up the news of Rupert Wyatt's possible departure from "Dawn of the POTA" and suggested the BSG crew should hijack it (good show). It's around the 1 hr. 9 minute mark.

http://toadhopnetwork.com/f/Schmoes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk50peGtT2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkV_enZmLlI

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Group: potadg	Message: 61663	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Tom Rothman lands on his feet

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Tom "owned POTA's ass for 12 years" Rothman will spend the rest of the year transitioning out of his job as head of 20th Century Fox and then will go directly to his new job producing Steven Spielberg's next picture, "Robopocalypse", to be distributed by Fox. On topic: "Robopocalypse" and "Dawn of the POTA" will vie for the title of Best Apocalyptic Sci-Fi Movie of 2014.

Food for thought: "Robopocalypse" is a big sci-fi epic that doesn't start filming until next year and opens a month before the "Rise" sequel. Why can't Rupert Wyatt do "Dawn of the POTA" in the same time period? The more I know, the less I know. : (

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/tom-rothman-to-produce-robopocalypse-anne-hathaway-in-talks-to-join-chris-hemsworth/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61664	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: John Chambers "Argo" poster

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Yikes!

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/argo-poster-john-goodman.jpg

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Group: potadg	Message: 61665	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/25/2012
Subject: hunt for a POTA director is on

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Looks like Rupert Wyatt is indeed leaving the POTA and Fox is ape-parently throwing out a dragnet to find a new one. The helmer will probably be announced soon because Fox seems to be sticking to their 5/23/14 release date.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/top-emerging-directors-on-foxs-short-list-to-helm-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61666	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: going to the Matt for POTA?

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Reportedly the front runner to direct "Dawn of the POTA" (if it keeps that title) is Matt Reeves, who earlier this week quit the new "Twilight Zone" movie (perhaps a sign?). He has been pals with J.J. Abrams since they were movie obsessed teens (the inspiration for Abrams' film "Super 8"). Abrams is now a TV show-creating institution ("Alias", "Lost", "Fringe") and Reeves was co-creator of his first show, "Felicity". Abrams also produced Reeves' first feature, the hit monster movie "Cloverfield". Reeves also directed the acclaimed vampire remake "Let Me In".

It's hard not to look at Reeves through the Abrams prism and Abrams is currently the custodian of the "Star Trek" franchise. Abrams has said he was more into "Twilight Zone" and POTA than "Star Trek" and I'd guess Reeves felt the same way (since he was attached to T.Z. and now up for POTA). Both Reeves and Abrams use composer Michael Giacchino so if Reeves gets the gig I would assume Patrick Doyle is out. This franchise about an upside down civilization is turning upside down itself.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61667	From: smwhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Re: hunt for a POTA director is on

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Oh god please let it be Guillermo del Toro!

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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: [PotaDG] hunt for a POTA director is on
Looks like Rupert Wyatt is indeed leaving the POTA and Fox is ape-parently throwing out a dragnet to find a new one. The helmer will probably be announced soon because Fox seems to be sticking to their 5/23/14 release date.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/top-emerging-directors-on-foxs-short-list-to-helm-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61668	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: J. Lee Thompson still champ

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I was just thinking (a dangerous thing): J. Lee Thompson is still the only director to direct more than one POTA movie. So what's going on now is nothing new. And considering how "Battle" turned out, some might think it's best that no director does it twice. I'll miss Rupert Wyatt but it's in keeping with POTA tradition.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61669	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Re: hunt for a POTA director is on

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I could dig del Toro but he has a lot of post to do on his big Godzilla vs. robots movie "Pacific Rim". On the other hand he has some experience with the FX company WETA since he spent a lot of time as the director of "The Hobbit". But I think del Toro is a long shot.

From: smwhitty@...

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:35 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE:[PotaDG] hunt for a POTA director is on

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Group: potadg	Message: 61670	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2012
Subject: Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday, 9/27/2012, 12:00 am

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Date:		Thursday September 27, 2012
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Group: potadg	Message: 61671	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Matt Reeves 101

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Matt Reeves sounds like the favorite to get the POTA directing gig. From what I understand they are interviewing many people so that might not be the case. Anyway, I checked out Reeves' two main directing credits, "Cloverfield" and "Let Me In" (he also did the 1996 comedy "The Pallbearer" which I haven't seen). "Cloverfield" I saw before, didn't like it then, didn't like it now. The high concept is that it's from the POV of a video camera as a monster attacks Manhattan. Cool, but it just belabors the point, the characters aren't interesting (which is definitely necessary for such an experiment) and basically the filming is supposed to be from a home video camera so the filming just sucks. Perhaps it would work as a short subject but damn it's aggravating as a feature. That said, I can't fault the direction, based on what they tried to do. I guess the director is responsible to make sure the characters are interesting. But beyond that, it's a high wire filming act and it works on that level (it just isn't entertaining to me).

Those who want to know what Matt Reeves is capable of, "Let Me In" is the film to watch. Basically it makes a vampire both sympathetic and scary. And I could easily see this translated to POTA. Especially with "Dawn", where the apes are pretty much the villains (presumably they are taking advantage of a human race fighting a deadly virus) but also sympathetic, which is what POTA is famous for (the apes have never been monsters, we know where they are coming from). "Let Me In" is a good film and also shows that Reeves can do the ambiguous/sympathetic monster. And I also can't complain about his filmmaking technique, camera angles, etc. If Fox goes with him I won't complain.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61672	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: OT- Matt Reeves 101

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Cloverfield was one of the many 'found footage' movies that supposedly provides a documentary, first person account of events (Blair Witch, Quarantine, etc). Aside from a few nice scenes, it fails on two accounts. It was not credible (some of the shoots would not likely be captured on camera if it was a real situation) and it was BORING, with boring characters. I'm very much a 'giant monster' fan and was looking forward to this one, but despite a lot of hype and even some positive reviews, I was terribly disappointed.

Let One In, is a far inferior copy of the Swedish "Let the Right One In". Watch the original.

All this to say that I'm dismayed that Reeves is now being considered to helm POTA. Not good news. Not good news at all.

Dario

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:17:33 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Matt Reeves 101

Matt Reeves sounds like the favorite to get the POTA directing gig. From what I understand they are interviewing many people so that might not be the case. Anyway, I checked out Reeves' two main directing credits, "Cloverfield" and "Let Me In" (he also did the 1996 comedy "The Pallbearer" which I haven't seen). "Cloverfield" I saw before, didn't like it then, didn't like it now. The high concept is that it's from the POV of a video camera as a monster attacks Manhattan. Cool, but it just belabors the point, the characters aren't interesting (which is definitely necessary for such an experiment) and basically the filming is supposed to be from a home video camera so the filming just sucks. Perhaps it would work as a short subject but damn it's aggravating as a feature. That said, I can't fault the direction, based on what they tried to do. I guess the director is responsible to make sure the characters are interesting. But beyond that, it's a high wire filming act and it works on that level (it just isn't entertaining to me).
Those who want to know what Matt Reeves is capable of, "Let Me In" is the film to watch. Basically it makes a vampire both sympathetic and scary. And I could easily see this translated to POTA. Especially with "Dawn", where the apes are pretty much the villains (presumably they are taking advantage of a human race fighting a deadly virus) but also sympathetic, which is what POTA is famous for (the apes have never been monsters, we know where they are coming from). "Let Me In" is a good film and also shows that Reeves can do the ambiguous/sympathetic monster. And I also can't complain about his filmmaking technique, camera angles, etc. If Fox goes with him I won't complain.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61673	From: smwhitty@bigpond.com	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: Re: OT- Matt Reeves 101

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Agreed - sounds like the slope is heading DOWN!

Saw LOOPERS last night - WOW!!!! GREAT movie.

Michael

On 27/09/2012 10:45 PM Dario Sciola wrote:

Cloverfield was one of the many 'found footage' movies that supposedly provides a documentary, first person account of events (Blair Witch, Quarantine, etc). Aside from a few nice scenes, it fails on two accounts. It was not credible (some of the shoots would not likely be captured on camera if it was a real situation) and it was BORING, with boring characters. I'm very much a 'giant monster' fan and was looking forward to this one, but despite a lot of hype and even some positive reviews, I was terribly disappointed.

Let One In, is a far inferior copy of the Swedish "Let the Right One In". Watch the original.

All this to say that I'm dismayed that Reeves is now being considered to helm POTA. Not good news. Not good news at all.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:17:33 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Matt Reeves 101

Matt Reeves sounds like the favorite to get the POTA directing gig. From what I understand they are interviewing many people so that might not be the case. Anyway, I checked out Reeves' two main directing credits, "Cloverfield" and "Let Me In" (he also did the 1996 comedy "The Pallbearer" which I haven't seen). "Cloverfield" I saw before, didn't like it then, didn't like it now. The high concept is that it's from the POV of a video camera as a monster attacks Manhattan. Cool, but it just belabors the point, the characters aren't interesting (which is definitely necessary for such an experiment) and basically the filming is supposed to be from a home video camera so the filming just sucks. Perhaps it would work as a short subject but damn it's aggravating as a feature. That said, I can't fault the direction, based on what they tried to do. I guess the director is responsible to make sure the characters are interesting. But beyond that, it's a high wire filming act and it works on that level (it just isn't entertaining to me).
Those who want to know what Matt Reeves is capable of, "Let Me In" is the film to watch. Basically it makes a vampire both sympathetic and scary. And I could easily see this translated to POTA. Especially with "Dawn", where the apes are pretty much the villains (presumably they are taking advantage of a human race fighting a deadly virus) but also sympathetic, which is what POTA is famous for (the apes have never been monsters, we know where they are coming from). "Let Me In" is a good film and also shows that Reeves can do the ambiguous/sympathetic monster. And I also can't complain about his filmmaking technique, camera angles, etc. If Fox goes with him I won't complain.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61674	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2012
Subject: William Windom's Birthday, 9/28/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61675	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/28/2012
Subject: Chambers and "Argo"

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ben-affleck-argo-odd-hollywood-history-374054

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Group: potadg	Message: 61676	From: Jeff K.	Date: 9/29/2012
Subject: Who should direct "Dawn of the POTA"?

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OK, we only have a little time. Fox should make their announcement soon if they want to hit their 2014 release date (and if not, they should keep Rupert Wyatt). So who should direct the next POTA movie? My choice is Michael Rymer or Oliver Stone. No wait, hear me out! Where are you going?

Michael Rymer: The main director on "Battlestar Galactica". "Galactica" is a walking demo reel for POTA, and indeed the main writer saw that and included many POTA references in the show. Rymer knows how to mix FX with apocalyptic drama and emotion. Those who have seen the show know what I'm talking about. Even those who didn't like how it turned out (I loved it) can admit the early seasons were very POTA-like and it doesn't take a genius to know that a Michael Rymer POTA would rock. The sequels to "Thor" and "Capt. America" both have chosen TV directors to carry on their franchises. This year Marvel can do no wrong so perhaps Fox will follow suit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ83WZwUjTI

Oliver Stone: Well, Stone was the original big name thrown out to revive POTA 20 years ago next year. I'll never give up on imagining Stone's take on POTA. Back then he was hot sh*t; today he could use a big hit. Probably Stone would never do it in a million years. But I can't give up the ghost.

OK, so that's my suggestions. Who do you want to see direct it? The sky's the limit. Yeah, Fox had that "short list" of directors but you never know. There was a reported "short list" for "Rise" and then Rupert Wyatt, a left-field choice that wasn't on it, got the job. Probably Fox wants to go cheap, so ideas like Spielberg, Scorsese, etc. are not reasonable. Think directors that want to go to the next level: new directors, TV directors, etc.

Probably Fox will announce the director soon so now is the time to throw in your favorites.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61677	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: James Whitmore's Birthday, 10/1/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61678	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Damn! of the POTA

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Here's someone who's happy Matt Reeves is doing POTA:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/cloverfield-director-matt-reeves-reportedly-set-for-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes

Is Reeves really doing it? Here's what he tweeted today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NskEqxG_Y

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Group: potadg	Message: 61679	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: The new POTA director is...

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Matt Reeves ("Cloverfield", "Let Me In"). Probably we'll get a Michael Giacchino score.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/matt-reeves-in-deal-to-direct-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61680	From: Dario	Date: 10/1/2012
Subject: Liberty in Ruins

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Most of us have seen these pics of the Statue of Liberty in ruins as fiction and magazine covers before, but there are a few here I have not seen before so it is worth checking out.

http://sciencefictionruminations.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/adventures-in-science-fiction-cover-art-the-statue-of-liberty/

Dario

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Group: potadg	Message: 61681	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: Liberty in Ruins

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In a message dated 10/1/2012 9:52:39 PM Central Daylight Time, darios@... writes:

Most of us have seen these pics of the Statue of Liberty in ruins as fiction and magazine covers before, but there are a few here I have not seen before so it is worth checking out.

http://sciencefictionruminations.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/adventures-in-science-fiction-cover-art-the-statue-of-liberty/

Dario

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Group: potadg	Message: 61682	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2012
Subject: Charlton Heston's Birthday, 10/4/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61683	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Woodrow Parfrey's Birthday, 10/5/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61684	From: Tim	Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: OT: Happy James Bond Day!

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Today is International James Bond Day! Fifty years ago today "Dr. No" premiered!
Also check out Adele's new theme song for "Skyfall"! It's classic Bond ...(a lot better that the last one..)
Tim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Group: potadg	Message: 61685	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/5/2012
Subject: Re: OT: Happy James Bond Day!

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I think the next Bond (coming out this winter) will be much better than the last one. They are pulling out all the stops since it's his 50th.

From: Tim

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:07 AM

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Group: potadg	Message: 61686	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Rocket, man!

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Here's another "Rise" question I don't think I've heard. Rocket, Caesar's nemesis, seems to have been tamed by Caesar and is even given the job of handing out cookies. So why does Caesar hesitate to release him when they break out?

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Group: potadg	Message: 61687	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

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Because it's not a very well thought out movie and has lots of things in it that don't make sense?

Neil T.

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> Here's another "Rise" question I don't think I've heard. Rocket, Caesar's nemesis, seems to have been tamed by Caesar and is even given the job of handing out cookies. So why does Caesar hesitate to release him when they break out?
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Group: potadg	Message: 61688	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/6/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

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No, that can't be it. : )

From: munkeyman63au

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:24 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rocket, man!

Because it's not a very well thought out movie and has lots of things in it that don't make sense?

Neil T.

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> Here's another "Rise" question I don't

think I've heard. Rocket, Caesar's nemesis, seems to have been tamed by Caesar and is even given the job of handing out cookies. So why does Caesar hesitate to release him when they break out?

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Group: potadg	Message: 61689	From: drzaiusdavis	Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: Rocket, man!

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Because when he gets Rocket to hand out cookies he is asserting his dominance. When he opens his cage later it is to give him his freedom. Something he needed to give thought to. A plot point that was not just sloppy movie making in this case. (In my humble opinion)

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> Here's another "Rise" question I don't think I've heard. Rocket, Caesar's nemesis, seems to have been tamed by Caesar and is even given the job of handing out cookies. So why does Caesar hesitate to release him when they break out?
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Group: potadg	Message: 61690	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Dan Striekepe's Birthday, 10/8/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61691	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: Will Caesar take a Slusho break?

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Now that Matt Reeves is the new POTA director we'll have to consider his baggage. He's been pals with J. J. Abrams since they were kids and their careers are entwined. The fictional drink Slusho! first appeared in the second episode of Abrams' show "Alias" and afterwards kept showing up in shows like "Lost" and "Heroes".

http://heroeswiki.com/Slusho

I guess it's also been seen in J. J.'s "Star Trek" and "Super 8" movies. But it had it's biggest boost when Reeves directed the Abrams produced "Cloverfield", not only appearing in the film but also a big part of it's marketing campaign.

http://cloverfield.wikia.com/wiki/viral

Perhaps that makes sense with Abrams as the producer but Reeves seems to be carrying the ball too. It appeared on a store sign in Reeves' Abrams-less "Let Me In". So will Slusho! find it's way into some abandoned human iconography in POTA? Maybe Rocket will find an empty Slusho! cup and his first words will be, "Where get me a Slusho?". I was an "Alias" fan so I'd enjoy a subtle reference that would go over most people's heads. No harm done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbUODnN-u5g

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Group: potadg	Message: 61692	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/9/2012
Subject: John Goodman talks John Chambers

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Here's a featurette about the movie "Argo" (hitting Friday), including John Goodman talking about the man he plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=258to6tDzd0

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Group: potadg	Message: 61693	From: Patrick	Date: 10/10/2012
Subject: Fat Man

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The mutants in BENEATH were named in the End Credits as Mendez [XXVI, according to the statue/bust], Albina, Caspay, Negro, and Fat Man. There's also the verger, but that describes his function -- it's not a name.

We never hear any of these five names spoken aloud, of course, so we only know these to be their names because they are listed in the End Credits... just as we know that Taylor's first name is George , due to the End Credits of PLANET.

At some point, the names "Negro" and "Fat Man " were deemed inappropriate by some, and replaced by the names "Ongaro" and "Adiposo" respectively. The name "Adiposo" is the Spanish word for 'fat ', derived from the Latin adipatus (from adeps ). The name "Ongaro" shares the letters N, G, R, and O with "Negro" and perhaps seems, to some, to thus avoid a word that -- in the 1960's -- was a common term for black or afro-american/african-american. They still call it the United Negro College Fund, don't they?

I've never liked these replacement names, since they seem to be 'political correctness' taken to a foolish extreme. At least one of these two troubling names is supremely appropriate, given the nature of the Mutant history, nature, and religion.

The name "Fat Man " -- before Victor Buono's character bore it -- was given to the atomic bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki on 9 August 1945, three days after "Little Boy" had been dropped on Hiroshima.

Does it not make sense that a community of A-bomb-worshiping freaks would proudly name one of their own after one of the very first A-bombs that were ever made, used, and specifically named?

I think that the mutant "Fat Man" was named after the Nagasaki bomb, perhaps because he was an especially chubby baby, and somebody -- due to telepathic memory traces preserved within the group records -- remembered that one of the very first atomic bombs was named "Fat Man".

The name Albina is interesting. There's a Catholic "Saint Albina" -- and the Mutants, you'll remember, worship their Doomsday Bomb in a grotesque parody of the Catholic mass. Also, whilst reading Ursula LeGuin's novel THE LATHE OF HEAVEN , I noticed that one of the characters is said to have been from a town in Oregon with that name. I wonder if Paul Dehn picked the name "Albina" from the Catholic saint, or from the town name...? Also, the name suggests albino/albinism, which is the condition whereby the skin has a sheer white pallor, like the assassin character from Dan Brown's novel THE DA VINCI CODE.

The name Caspay refers to a town in Peru. Perhaps Paul Dehn liked that place-name and adopted it for the character who -- in the screenplay for PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED -- was originally a dwarf.

Mendez , of course, is a fairly common name of Spanish descent. Dehn suggests that the name was handed down generation after generation for 20 centuries.

We're left with that final name: "Negro"... and, if "Fat Man" is to be preferred over "Adiposo" (due to its atomic bomb associations), perhaps one might see whether or not the name "Negro" could have atomic bomb associations of its own.

When Brent describes the Doomsday Bomb to Taylor, the latter seems to know all about it. A "doomsday bomb" designed to do more than merely "knock out a city". How does it work?

In my own POTA scenario, the Alpha Omega bomb isn't just one bomb: it's actually a cluster of 24 spherical nukes, each one about the size of a dodgeball, and arranged in a sphere-packing array towards the tip of the missile, where the warhead would be. There's one sphere-nuke in the tip [Level One], with 3 more in triangular formation below it [Level Two]... and a hexagon-shaped ring of 6 below that surrounding a 7th "core" nuke [Level Three]... and a wider hexagon-shaped ring of 9 surrounding a triangular cluster of 3 below that [Level Four]... with a final single sphere-nuke in the middle below those 12 [Level Five], directly below the "core" nuke on Level Three, which is directly below the topmost nuke at Level One.

The letters Alpha and Omega are the 1st and 24th of the Greek alphabet, and those numbers, then, were originally used to denote the number of nukes nested inside one missile. All 24 of those nukes are designed to detonate in the upper atmosphere above Asia so as to produce an Electromagnetic Pulse [EMP] that would knock out all the electronics in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and other such "enemy" nations. With all 24 nukes going off simultaneously, the blastwaves would not only propagate outwards, but would also implode the mass of the "core" nuke in the center of the cluster of packed spheres... creating a density that exceeds that of neutronium.

That hyper-dense bit of mass, a very low-mass Black Hole, would -- very soon after -- explode due to Hawking Decay. All this explosive behavior, of course, was designed to happen in the upper atmosphere, so as to cause the optimal amount of gamma radiation with which to saturate the Enemy hemisphere, as well as to create a blastwave ["overpressure"] that would stomp down onto the continent below.

I call it a Nuclear Exo-atmospheric Gamma Ray Optimizer bomb... which yields the acronym N.E.G.R.O.

Thus, the mutant named (in the End Credits) as "Negro" will also be named after a famous bomb... the very bomb that was used by the United States in its nuclear strike against the Enemy nations occupying most of Asia. That bomb -- NEGRO -- was one of at least two such bombs, the other one being the Alpha Omega Bomb situated in the sanctum sanctorum of Saint Patrick's Cathedral.

In BATTLE, Mendez tells Alma that one of the Alpha Omega Bomb's "ancestors" made them what they are... which suggests that there was more than one of these particular bombs (at least two, anyway). Hell, maybe the U.S.A. made three of them. That would make it a trinity . Come to think of it, the name TRINITY would also be a good one for a mutant to name a child, since the very first explosion of an atomic bomb was the Trinity test at Alamogordo.

In my POTA plot, a major female mutant character will be named Trinity, after that Alamogordo bomb, just as Fat Man was named after the Nagasaki bomb... and Negro was named after the continent-incapacitating bomb used in the U.S.A.'s first strike against the Enemy...

You'll notice that I'm suggesting that the U.S.A. launched a First Strike in the nuclear war. My reasons for suggesting this has to do with a clue from BATTLE . MacDonald tells Caesar that the tapes of his Ape-onaut parents in the Archives of the dead city were in a part that was specifically "designed to survive the impact of a ten-megaton over-blast."

In the early 1990's -- at least, in the POTA universe -- the Soviets had not yet been able to perfect a ground-penetrating nuclear missile... one that is designed to explode only after first burrowing down a ways into the ground, so as to knock out subsurface structures specifically reinforced to withstand both air-bursts and surface bursts. In my POTA scenario, the U.S.A. has nuke capabilities that can guarantee knocking out all land-based nukes -- the NEGRO nuke that not only gives out an EMP but also clobbers the surface of nearly the entire continent of Asia. But Soviet nuclear-armed missiles delivered from submarines would be able to get through, barring any SDI-type missile defense systems the U.S.A. may have.

Still... if the President of the U.S.A. in 1991/1992 believes that the Soviets will launch a First Strike of their own, and are only waiting to upgrade their nukes to include state-of-the-art "bunker-busters" that will be able to destroy any and all deep-underground assets, then it is considered better to preemptively destroy the Enemy and then endure their counter-strike. The surface cities, of course, will be destroyed... millions will die. Millions will survive briefly, horribly. Some on the surface might survive indefinitely. But those in the deep underground cities, in those parts of the newer, fortified sites which are specifically designed to withstand a 10-megaton over-blast... they would survive . And, more than two decades after Kubrick's dark comedy had been seen in the movie theaters, there would be no mine-shaft gap!

Their descendants would inherit the Earth when a sufficient number of decades had passed, and they could then emerge back onto the surface. The Enemy nations wouldn't have any survivors, though... if, that is, they were to be hit with a surprise attack, a First Strike out-of-the-blue, one that they couldn't prepare for.

Is it unfair of me to suggest that it is the U.S.A. that initiates the Global Thermonuclear War in the POTA universe? After the emergence of the so-called "Bush Doctrine" in our real universe... no, I don't think so. If the President truly believed that the Enemy was going to go nuclear no matter what... if there were no doubt about it... then I think he would consider it his sad duty to beat them to the punch, even if it meant a retaliatory strike that would result in the deaths of most of the population.

As long as America still had survivors -- a preselected elite, perhaps -- living in bomb-proofed sub-levels in the newer-built cities...

Patrick Michael Tilton

EARTH-TIME 10-10-2012

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Group: potadg	Message: 61694	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/12/2012
Subject: "Argo" rocks

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If you're a POTA fan you have but one choice which movie to see this weekend. "Argo" is romancing the critics and getting a lot of Oscar buzz and it's a hell of a movie besides. I love the little touches Ben Affleck adds as a director, and it treats John Chambers and POTA with respect. There's plenty of POTA Easter eggs if you look closely (and not so closely). And watch for Adrienne Barbeau in a cameo as the Galactic Witch.

People are talking up Allan Arkin as the producer for a Best Supporting Actor nom but I think John Goodman as Chambers has just as much chance, especially if the nominations embrace "Argo" in a big way. After watching this movie I was on Cloud 9. John told me he was proudest of his work for his country and I'm glad he's finally being recognized in public in a big way. I just wish he was here to see it (even though he'd downplay it).

Yes, the movie does take liberties with the story to make it more of an entertaining movie. But who can complain when John Chambers literally saves the day? I picked up the new book by Tony Mendez about the event and once I read it I'll kind of set the record straight.

So what's going on? New quality Ape movies, John Chambers and Paul Williams getting their due? Are POTA fans finally cool? Maybe soon we can hold our heads high when in the company of "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" fans. They might even say, "Welcome, brother".

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Group: potadg	Message: 61695	From: Chris Hight	Date: 10/13/2012
Subject: Re: "Argo" rocks

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A recent episode of Hollywood Treasures had a prop Chambers did for the CIA. I had no idea what it was about until someone posted a link about Argo. Jeff, I'm delighted that you knew him while he was alive. The man was a pioneer.

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] "Argo" rocks

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Group: potadg	Message: 61696	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2012
Subject: Mark Lenard's Birthday, 10/15/2012, 12:00 am

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Group: potadg	Message: 61697	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/17/2012
Subject: the real "Argo" (possible spoilers)

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"Argo" is a good movie that is getting a lot of praise. But it does take a true story and go Hollywood with it. Movies based on history often have to change things to accommodate the needs of story flow and entertainment. Movies need simplicity, not always a bad thing. They combine people or situations to save time or make the story easier to follow. They have to pick and choose what part of the story to tell. And they even add things that never happened to make their own points or to increase the entertainment value. If we look closely, most, if not all, dramatizations do this. It's not just Oliver Stone. Movies are an art form, and a business of putting butts in seats. Even documentaries have a point of view, and a responsibility to be entertaining.

It's often said, if you want the truth, read a book. But even books have their own agenda and need to entertain. Ultimately it's best to know who is doing the telling and whether you trust them. Anyway, I read the new book about "Argo" written by the guy who lived it, Tony Mendez (played by Ben Affleck in the movie).

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/17/the-true-story-behind-operation-argo-to-rescue-americans-from-iran.html"

Here's how it went down, according to him.

John (POTA) Chambers first became involved with the CIA in the early 1970's. Lou Terno, the head of the CIA's disguise department zeroed in on Chambers thanks to his incredible work disguising actors in the TV show "Mission: Impossible" and the movie "The List of Adrien Messenger". In both the actors have dramatic identity reveals. Terno felt that was the kind of talent the CIA needed. Eventually Mendez visited Chambers on the set of "Mission: Impossible" and they became good friends. Mendez visited John's Burbank home (where his wife and 90 year old dad lived) and saw the wonders in his garage studio.

John was a patriotic sort and was eager to help his country. His first assignment, during the end of the Vietnam War, was to disguise an African American CIA officer and a Laotian minister as Caucasians so they could have meetings without drawing attention. John literally created "Mission: Impossible"-type masks for them using the life masks of actors Rex Harrison and Victor Mature (since the actors and the subjects had the same facial measurements). The operation was a big success. The masks even fooled a road block. John Chambers had brought "Mission: Impossible" into the real world and Mendez says, "It was really the beginning of what we would call advance disguise (at the CIA)".

During the '70's, Mendez and his disguise trainees would sometimes work with John's crew on movies. Mendez says, "He taught a generation of CIA officers the rudiments of how to make an effective disguise". And it helped to have CIA operatives blend in and be familiars with John, lowering suspicions. John also consulted on "scenarios" the CIA might need in the future. Mendez says John's advice is still used today. Chambers became pretty involved, even visiting Washington on occasion, and playing a border guard for a CIA exercise. Chambers' CIA name was Jerome Calloway, which Mendez still calls him to honor their agreement that he would never out Chambers. But at this point, especially thanks to the movie, John Chambers' role is well known. And that's good.

According to Mendez, Chambers was "always telling jokes" and one of his knock-knock jokes was the basis for the name Argo, not a movie script. "Argo" became a fun rallying cry for the disguise trainees, so it's no surprise it became the name for the January 1980 rescue mission. After the hostages were taken in Iran and a few escaped that needed rescue, Mendez got the idea to get them out disguised as a movie scouting party. He got the idea based on his experiences with Chambers, not from his son as portrayed in the movie (Mendez wasn't going through a divorce, and his son was 17, not a little kid). By the way, Chambers' cohort in creating the "Argo" production office wasn't a movie producer but fellow makeup artist Bob Sidell (also a POTA veteran).

Basically, more than 6 hostages escaped the American embassy but some got recaptured. Ultimately the 6 hostages were Mark and Cora Lijek, Joe and Kathy Stafford, bob Anders and Lee Schatz (Lee didn't actually escape but was outside the embassy when it was taken). And they were divided between two homes to cut down on suspicion, not all together as in the movie. The movie shows Canadian ambassador Ken Taylor (played by Victor Garber, best known for "Alias") as their main benefactor. And he certainly deserves all the credit in the world, but he wasn't alone (Taylor? Mendez?).

So, how much credit do the Canadians deserve for the operation? Lots. But it's not all that cut and dried. In the movie it's said that the British turned down the escaped hostages and so did the "Kiwis" (New Zealand). In actuality they couldn't go to the British embassy because it too was surrounded by militants. They hid at the British government residence Gholhak Gardens until Iranian militants started showing up there. Lee Schatz stayed at the Swedish embassy for a while. There were even "Kiwis" that helped, New Zealand ambassador Chris Beeby and his assistant Richard Sevell. Ultimately the Canadian government went above and beyond to get this done (even more the the U.S. bureaucracy) but the rescue of the six "houseguests" was an international effort. Canada got a well deserved thank you but it was also a political necessity to give the credit/blame to Canada with the other hostages still there.

As far as the escape itself, the version in the movie is pretty much fiction. Mendez didn't even drive them to the airport. The only snags they had in getting out was a check on one of the I.D. photos and an hour wait while the plane was fixed (certainly nerve wracking at the time but not a movie worthy ending). The movie provides a big dramatic escape which didn't happen but makes for a gripping movie. But they told the basic inspirational story and that's what they set out to do. Making a more exciting movie perhaps gets more people exposed to the story and they can do their own research about "what really happened". Hollywood "polluting" history is a debate that will go on.

1997 was the 50th anniversary of the CIA and it was decided to declassify the "Argo" operation as part of the festivities. Mendez was given the "Trailblazer" award as one of the top 50 CIA officers of the last 50 years. John Chambers is one of only two civilians to receive the CIA's "Medal of Merit", the award he was most proud of (he considered his POTA Oscar a "doorstop"). When he retired to the Motion Picture Home he put the CIA award where he could grab it if there was a fire.

For those who see "Argo" and are interested in learning more, I recommend Mendez's book "Argo" (2012). It's the straight dope and a good read.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61698	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: new "Dawn of the POTA" writer

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Mark Bomback has been brought in to do some rewriting on the new POTA sequel. He wrote the lambasted "Total Recall" remake that just came out (though it can't always be blamed on the writer) and wrote the currently filming "The Wolverine" movie (yes, that Wolverine). He also did some uncredited work on "Rise". We're not out of the woods yet.

http://collider.com/mark-bomback-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/204493/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61699	From: Chris Hight	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: new "Dawn of the POTA" writer

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Sounds good to me. When we see Joel Shumaker I'll get concerned. I liked Rise but didn't love it. My ape films had Roddy McDowell in them.

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] new "Dawn of the POTA" writer

http://collider.com/mark-bomback-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/204493/

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Group: potadg	Message: 61700	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Ain't it John Chambers

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The Ain't It Cool Show talks "Argo", John Chambers, movie makeup and general weird shit.

I didn't know Bob Burns died. : (

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59168

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Group: potadg	Message: 61701	From: Dario	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: OT: Bob Burns

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I too was dismayed to hear that Bob burns has passed away and had to view this video when you mentioned it.

But things are not adding up. Neither IMDB nor wikipedia list him as dead. Knowles then mentions Bob as having done the makeup for the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre which I did not believe was the case. I've long admired Bob and even read his "From Bob's Basement" from end to end, and don't remember him mentioning TCM. Curiously, the IMDB page for TCM lists a Robert A. Burns working on the film, and that Bob IS deceased.

All this to say that I think THE Bob Burns is still alive and I believe this Knowles guy is getting mixed up.

P.S.: when I was in LA for worldcon in 2006 Bob was supposed to be there but he was one of the cancellations. Would loved to have met the man.

Dario

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

The Ain't It Cool Show talks "Argo", John Chambers, movie makeup and general weird shit.

I didn't know Bob Burns died. : (

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59168

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Group: potadg	Message: 61702	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/18/2012
Subject: Re: OT: Bob Burns

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Yeah, I looked it up and it doesn't appear he's dead. I posted that but the post got lost.

I met Bob at the 1996 Starcon and he posed with Bill Blake and Eric Greene in full POTA makeup. Just a fun loving guy.

From: Dario

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:34 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Bob Burns

I too was dismayed to hear that Bob burns has passed away and had to view this video when you mentioned it.

All this to say that I think THE Bob Burns is still alive and I believe this Knowles guy is getting mixed up.

P.S.: when I was in LA for worldcon in 2006 Bob was supposed to be there but he was one of the cancellations. Would loved to have met the man.

Dario

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

The Ain't It Cool Show talks "Argo", John Chambers, movie makeup and general weird shit.

I didn't know Bob Burns died. : (

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59168

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Group: potadg	Message: 61703	From: Jeff K.	Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: Re: Ain't it John Chambers

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Bob Burns didn't die. : )

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:29 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Ain't it John Chambers

The Ain't It Cool Show talks "Argo", John Chambers, movie makeup and general weird shit.

I didn't know Bob Burns died. : (

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59168

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Group: potadg	Message: 61704	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 10/20/2012
Subject: Re: Ain't it John Chambers

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Neither did I – and there were a few people who were really disappointed!

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012 9:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ain't it John Chambers

Bob Burns didn't die. : )

From: Jeff K.

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:29 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Ain't it John Chambers

The Ain't It Cool Show talks "Argo", John Chambers, movie makeup and general weird shit.

I didn't know Bob Burns died. : (

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59168

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Group: potadg	Message: 61705	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2012
Subject: James Daly's Birthday, 10/23/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		James Daly's Birthday

Date:		Tuesday October 23, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		Happy Birthday James! (Dr. Honorious: Planet of the Apes (1968))

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Group: potadg	Message: 61706	From: munkeyman63au	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Seeing as the group is apparently dead (6th of the month and this will be the first post!) how about we close it down.
The 10th anniversary is coming up very soon (Group Founded: Nov 15, 2002) so I think that day would be perfect for closing down for good?
Any thoughts?

Neil T.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61707	From: Mike R	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I look at the posts when they come :)

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: foster.62@...
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:06:38 +0000
Subject: [PotaDG] Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Group: potadg	Message: 61708	From: drzaiusdavis	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I hate to see it end...but I understand & keep contact with the people I talk to through
Facebook now. So....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <foster.62@...> wrote:
>
> Seeing as the group is apparently dead (6th of the month and this will be the first post!) how about we close it down.
> The 10th anniversary is coming up very soon (Group Founded: Nov 15, 2002) so I think that day would be perfect for closing down for good?
> Any thoughts?
>
> Neil T.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 61709	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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In a message dated 11/5/2012 5:11:26 PM Central Standard Time, mego73@... writes:

I look at the posts when they come :)

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Group: potadg	Message: 61710	From: Paul	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Hi,

It would be a real shame to close it down.

I wouldn't like to see that!

Paul.

-------Original Message-------

From: munkeyman63au

Date: 11/05/12 23:07:12

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Group: potadg	Message: 61711	From: Dario	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I'm still here... :)

While it is slow, is there any need to shut it down? I mean Even if the posts are a trickle, why shut it down? There is no cost. I just have it as one of my feeds and if something does come in I immediately see it in my inbox.

I don't post often, but you can bet that if I have something new to say I would post it here.

While I do like facebook, it suffers from the same ills as the newsgroups in that there are so many POTA groups on facebook. But it does have some advantages (instant pics that I can see right away).

But now that you and most of the others are on facebook, at least we can keep in touch there if you do pull the plug.

But if you are taking strict votes then I vote to keep the group going.

Dario

On Nov 5, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "munkeyman63au" <foster.62@...> wrote:

> Seeing as the group is apparently dead (6th of the month and this will be the first post!) how about we close it down.
> The 10th anniversary is coming up very soon (Group Founded: Nov 15, 2002) so I think that day would be perfect for closing down for good?
> Any thoughts?
>
> Neil T.
>
>
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Group: potadg	Message: 61712	From: Alan Warner	Date: 11/5/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Me to

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Time to end of the POTA DG?

So do I...

In a message dated 11/5/2012 5:11:26 PM Central Standard Time, mego73@... writes:

I look at the posts when they come :)

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Group: potadg	Message: 61713	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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|'m inclined to say let it go rather than become a ghost of it's
former self. I think forums like this are for die-hard veterans, but I
do still read the posts and there's a number of people here for whom
the DG is my only point of contact, people who I'd be genuinely sorry
not to hear from again.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61714	From: Jeremy Harding1	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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My thoughts - keep it open

Sent from my iPad

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Group: potadg	Message: 61715	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/6/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" shooting in New Orleans?

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Indications are (though not officially confirmed) that "Dawn of the POTA" will shoot in New Orleans come March. Hmm.

I first saw "Beneath" in New Orleans on TV so New Orleans sez POTA to me. : )

http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2012/11/matthew_mcconaughey_robert_de.html"

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Group: potadg	Message: 61716	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

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Group: potadg	Message: 61717	From: jessica rotich	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I agree-wait until yahoo goes bust.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Sal & Mick <smwhitty@...> wrote:

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

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Group: potadg	Message: 61718	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I don't see any reason to end it it. I do my share of posts.

From: Sal & Mick

Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:34 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

My thoughts - keep it open

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Group: potadg	Message: 61719	From: Alan Warner	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Every board slows down now and then.Every one i have ever been to has,anyway.

Things will pick up when there's more news and we get closer to the next film 's release.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sal & Mick

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:04 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

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Group: potadg	Message: 61720	From: atragon1@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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Patrick!!! Where are you???

In a message dated 11/10/2012 3:35:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61721	From: Chris Hight	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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You guys can't end now!

From: "atragon1@..." <atragon1@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Patrick!!! Where are you???

In a message dated 11/10/2012 3:35:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61722	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I'll just say: I don't get it. When Burton trashed POTA there were thousands of posts. Now POTA is successful and there's no interest from the fans. They did a movie about John Chambers that might win an Oscar. POTA is on the tip of everyone's tongues these days because of the successful, acclaimed new movies. The comic books are doing great.

And nothing. Are we gluttons for punishment?

From: Chris Hight

Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:18 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

You guys can't end now!

From: "atragon1@..." <atragon1@... >
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Patrick!!! Where are you???

In a message dated 11/10/2012 3:35:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61723	From: Sal & Mick	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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True. Quite normal too. People do most of their talking when it’s complaining….

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012 4:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

And nothing. Are we gluttons for punishment?

From: Chris Hight

Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:18 AM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

You guys can't end now!

From: "atragon1@..." < atragon1@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

Patrick!!! Where are you???

In a message dated 11/10/2012 3:35:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

It used to bother me to see the fading number of posts, but it does not these days.

I think we should wait it out, till Yahoo! goes bust or something! J

Michael

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harding1
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

My thoughts - keep it open

.

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Group: potadg	Message: 61724	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/10/2012
Subject: Elvira talks POTA collectibles

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Here's a segment of the show "Monsterama". Admittedly slow going, but it's porn for fans of POTA collectibles. Thanks to Ape Central.net for the heads up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gLQyaVTeXk

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Group: potadg	Message: 61725	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans

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The latest "Apes" sequel will start shooting in New Orleans in March and they will be looking for extras and so forth in the area. New Orleans "Ape" fans, the spotlight is on YOU.

http://www.acting-auditions.org/2012/11/dawn-of-planet-of-apes-to-begin-filming.html"

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Group: potadg	Message: 61726	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/11/2012
Subject: Kim Hunter's Birthday, 11/12/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Kim Hunter's Birthday

Date:		Monday November 12, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		Happy Birthday Kim! (Zira: Planet of the Apes (1968), Beneath the POTA (1970) & Escape from the POTA (1971))

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Group: potadg	Message: 61727	From: Patrick	Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , atragon1@... wrote:

>
> Patrick!!! Where are you???

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Group: potadg	Message: 61728	From: Jeff K.	Date: 11/13/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

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I think it has more to do with the same reason they called the other mutant "Negro". Lack of imagination (at least of the people who did the end credits).

But it's a good point.

From: Patrick

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:52 PM

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@... wrote:

>
> Patrick!!! Where are you???

*** I'm still

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Group: potadg	Message: 61729	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday

Date:		Thursday November 15, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		Happy Birthday to us!!!

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Group: potadg	Message: 61730	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

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Reminder from:		PotaDG Yahoo! Group

Title:		Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday

Date:		Thursday November 15, 2012
Time:		12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:		Happy Birthday to us!!!

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Group: potadg	Message: 61731	From: Neil Moxham	Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0

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Happy Birthday DG!! I think I signed up around late 2003/early 2004, probably just to raid Neil & Michael's comic archives. I didn't plan on staying nine weeks, let alone nine years, but here we still are. As I fall out of love with the internet and as the DG slows down, who knows what the future holds, but I'm glad I stuck around and mis-spent so much time talking about talking monkeys with my kindred spirits from around the globe - talking to myself just wouldn't have been the same.

"That's the spirit, keep them flying."

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