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Group: potadg Message: 61732 From: Alan Warner Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0
Group: potadg Message: 61733 From: Sal & Mick Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0
Group: potadg Message: 61734 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: POTADG birthday
Group: potadg Message: 61735 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: POTA score in Top 10 for composers
Group: potadg Message: 61736 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: Dawn of apes with guns?
Group: potadg Message: 61737 From: munkeyman63au Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: Dawn of apes with guns?
Group: potadg Message: 61738 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: More locations for "Dawn of the POTA"
Group: potadg Message: 61739 From: Chris Hight Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: More locations for "Dawn of the POTA"
Group: potadg Message: 61740 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
Group: potadg Message: 61741 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
Group: potadg Message: 61742 From: Alan Warner Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
Group: potadg Message: 61743 From: gort65 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?
Group: potadg Message: 61744 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: POTA on Daily Show
Group: potadg Message: 61745 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: The ship hits the fans
Group: potadg Message: 61746 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: Ricardo Montalban's Birthday, 11/25/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61747 From: Tim Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Argo
Group: potadg Message: 61748 From: Patrick Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's
Group: potadg Message: 61749 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patric
Group: potadg Message: 61750 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: Lord have Morsi
Group: potadg Message: 61751 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: 2013 Apes calendar
Group: potadg Message: 61752 From: Sal & Mick Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Re: Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patric
Group: potadg Message: 61753 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/4/2012
Subject: Norman Burton's Birthday, 12/5/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61754 From: Patrick Tilton Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: Re: Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patric
Group: potadg Message: 61755 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: Andy Serkis talks "Dawn of the POTA"
Group: potadg Message: 61756 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: James Naughton's Birthday, 12/6/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61757 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: BOOM 32 page one-shot special
Group: potadg Message: 61758 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: BOOM 32 page one-shot special
Group: potadg Message: 61759 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: checking in with Joe Letteri
Group: potadg Message: 61760 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
Group: potadg Message: 61761 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
Group: potadg Message: 61762 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
Group: potadg Message: 61763 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
Group: potadg Message: 61764 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
Group: potadg Message: 61765 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
Group: potadg Message: 61766 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
Group: potadg Message: 61767 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
Group: potadg Message: 61768 From: Sal & Mick Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Pat Renella
Group: potadg Message: 61769 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Pat Renella
Group: potadg Message: 61770 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" going 3D
Group: potadg Message: 61771 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday, 12/10/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61772 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: "Dawn" - not much more time
Group: potadg Message: 61773 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Richard Zanuck's Birthday, 12/13/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61774 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: "Dawn" - not much more time
Group: potadg Message: 61775 From: Tim Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: John Landis in Battle
Group: potadg Message: 61776 From: Tim Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Landis book
Group: potadg Message: 61777 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: [pota] John Landis in Battle [1 Attachment]
Group: potadg Message: 61778 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: [pota] John Landis in Battle
Group: potadg Message: 61779 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: [pota] John Landis in Battle
Group: potadg Message: 61780 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: James Franco talks "Dawn of the POTA"
Group: potadg Message: 61781 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: James Franco talks "Dawn of the POTA"
Group: potadg Message: 61782 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: James Gregory's Birthday, 12/23/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61783 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: Estella Warren's Birthday, 12/23/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61784 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Rod Serling's Birthday, 12/25/2012, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61785 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: 50 years of POTA
Group: potadg Message: 61786 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Jason Evers' Birthday , 1/2/2013, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61787 From: Tim Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Jane Goodall
Group: potadg Message: 61792 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Sal Mineo's Birthday, 1/10/2013, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61795 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Wright King's Birthday, 1/11/2013, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61796 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Ron Harper's Birthday, 1/12/2013, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61797 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61798 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 61799 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61800 From: Dario Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61801 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61802 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61803 From: mlccougar Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61804 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61805 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61806 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61807 From: mlccougar Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61808 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Did they let the right one in?
Group: potadg Message: 61809 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61810 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61811 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 61812 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: Re: Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 61813 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: Re: Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius
Group: potadg Message: 61814 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61815 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: "Rise" problems, based on a tweet by Mark Bomback
Group: potadg Message: 61816 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Summer 2014 - the story so far
Group: potadg Message: 61817 From: Neil Moxham Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61818 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61819 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Dawn of Al's website
Group: potadg Message: 61820 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61821 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: 1st "Dawn of the POTA" titled science article?
Group: potadg Message: 61822 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
Group: potadg Message: 61823 From: Patrick Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: POTA reference on Colbert Report
Group: potadg Message: 61824 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2013
Subject: Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 61825 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/24/2013
Subject: Gregory Sierra's Birthday , 1/25/2013, 12:00 am
Group: potadg Message: 61826 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/24/2013
Subject: BB
Group: potadg Message: 61827 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: Re: BB
Group: potadg Message: 61828 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 61829 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: Re: Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!
Group: potadg Message: 61830 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61831 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61832 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61833 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61834 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61835 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: mwc reviews the "Rise" action figures
Group: potadg Message: 61836 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: "Dawn" of a new look
Group: potadg Message: 61837 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: mwc reviews the "Rise" action figures



Group: potadg Message: 61732 From: Alan Warner Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0
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happy birthday
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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday
 
Date:   Thursday November 15, 2012
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Group: potadg Message: 61733 From: Sal & Mick Date: 11/14/2012
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:0
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Thanks Moxy it’s been a pleasure having you!

 

Michael

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 11:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday, 11/15/2012, 12:00 am

 

 

Happy Birthday DG!! I think I signed up around late 2003/early 2004, probably just to raid Neil & Michael's comic archives. I didn't plan on staying nine weeks, let alone nine years, but here we still are. As I fall out of love with the internet and as the DG slows down, who knows what the future holds, but I'm glad I stuck around and mis-spent so much time talking about talking monkeys with my kindred spirits from around the globe - talking to myself just wouldn't have been the same.

"That's the spirit, keep them flying."

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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> Reminder from: PotaDG Yahoo! Group
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> Planet of the Apes Discussion Group's Birthday
> Thursday November 15, 2012
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> Happy Birthday to us!!!
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Group: potadg Message: 61734 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: POTADG birthday
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  Thanks for a great 10 years, with it's ups and downs. And being able to say what we want. The current POTA era is an unexpected pleasure. Too bad it seems to have come too late for some fans.
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Group: potadg Message: 61735 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: POTA score in Top 10 for composers
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  "Variety" did a poll of 40 working film composers to determine the best film scores of all time and Goldsmith's POTA made the Top 10. Just sayin'.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61736 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/15/2012
Subject: Dawn of apes with guns?
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  "Dawn of the POTA"/Fox has ape-parantly added this image to their Facebook page. Does it mean the apes will have guns this time? Or just that the production is about to hear the starting gun?
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61737 From: munkeyman63au Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: Dawn of apes with guns?
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It's not an official image, just something someone who is not connected with the movie did apparently.

Neil T.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> "Dawn of the POTA"/Fox has ape-parantly added this image to their Facebook page. Does it mean the apes will have guns this time? Or just that the production is about to hear the starting gun?
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> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=70117
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Group: potadg Message: 61738 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: More locations for "Dawn of the POTA"
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  Besides New Orleans, "Dawn of the POTA" will reportedly also shoot in Florida and British Columbia (presumably Vancouver again). Hmm. Any story ideas that could fit New Orleans and Florida?
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61739 From: Chris Hight Date: 11/16/2012
Subject: Re: More locations for "Dawn of the POTA"
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I'm hoping the script will turn up. We had the Rise script before the movie came out.

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] More locations for "Dawn of the POTA"
 
  Besides New Orleans, "Dawn of the POTA" will reportedly also shoot in Florida and British Columbia (presumably Vancouver again). Hmm. Any story ideas that could fit New Orleans and Florida?
 
  http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/11/16/glens-lookahead-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-to-light-up-b-c/
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Group: potadg Message: 61740 From: drzaiusdavis Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
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This is amazing. I wonder what the chances are of me somehow making this happen? I might need to take some time off of work from my real job.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> The latest "Apes" sequel will start shooting in New Orleans in March and they will be looking for extras and so forth in the area. New Orleans "Ape" fans, the spotlight is on YOU.
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> http://www.acting-auditions.org/2012/11/dawn-of-planet-of-apes-to-begin-filming.html"
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Group: potadg Message: 61741 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
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  You could get your ass kicked by the forefather of Dr. Zauis, Davis!   : o

Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:08 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans

 

This is amazing. I wonder what the chances are of me somehow making this happen? I might need to take some time off of work from my real job.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

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> The latest "Apes" sequel will start
shooting in New Orleans in March and they will be looking for extras and so forth in the area. New Orleans "Ape" fans, the spotlight is on YOU.
>
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href="http://www.acting-auditions.org/2012/11/dawn-of-planet-of-apes-to-begin-filming.htmlquot;>http://www.acting-auditions.org/2012/11/dawn-of-planet-of-apes-to-begin-filming.htmlbr>
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Group: potadg Message: 61742 From: Alan Warner Date: 11/17/2012
Subject: Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans
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I could be in that without any makeup :)
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: "Dawn of the POTA" a go in New Orleans

 

This is amazing. I wonder what the chances are of me somehow making this happen? I might need to take some time off of work from my real job.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The latest "Apes" sequel will start shooting in New Orleans in March and they will be looking for extras and so forth in the area. New Orleans "Ape" fans, the spotlight is on YOU.
>
> http://www.acting-auditions.org/2012/11/dawn-of-planet-of-apes-to-begin-filming.html"
>

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Group: potadg Message: 61743 From: gort65 Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: Re: Time to end of the POTA DG?
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "munkeyman63au" <foster.62@...> wrote:
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> Seeing as the group is apparently dead (6th of the month and this will be the first post!) how about we close it down.
> The 10th anniversary is coming up very soon (Group Founded: Nov 15, 2002) so I think that day would be perfect for closing down for good?
> Any thoughts?

Some like living in a big city, while others enjoy a more tranquil form of life in less busy places. I'm fine with both types of places and see no reason why a less busy place needs to shut down because it doesn't compare. So, yeah, keep the group going, it'd be a shame to lose it.


Graham
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Group: potadg Message: 61744 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/19/2012
Subject: POTA on Daily Show
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Footage included in Al Madrigal's report on Arizona....the second segment of the show!


http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-november-15-2012-andrew-napolitano
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Group: potadg Message: 61745 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/20/2012
Subject: The ship hits the fans
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  I don't remember this being posted before.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61746 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2012
Subject: Ricardo Montalban's Birthday, 11/25/2012, 12:00 am
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Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Ricardo Montalban's Birthday
 
Date:   Sunday November 25, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday Ricardo!
(Armando: Escape from the POTA (1971) & Conquest of the POTA (1972))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61747 From: Tim Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Argo
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Finally saw Argo.. Excited to see APES on the screen ! Toys too... The sight of Caesar inspires bravery and adventure! Naturally....
Tim
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Group: potadg Message: 61748 From: Patrick Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's
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When Brent and Nova, hiding in a 'cave' that is actually the ruin of the Queensboro Plaza subway station, hear that strange hum, they follow it through the subway tunnels... eventually finding a larger cave area where a cylindrical tunnel leads up to the 'ground-level' remains of the New York Public Library [NYPL].

If you get out a map of NYC, you'll notice that the NYPL is closer to Grand Central Terminal than the cathedral housing the Doomsday Bomb. More on that fact later...

If Brent and Nova are being lured into the domain of the Mutants by Mendez XXVI and his pals, why are they then sent on a long detour from midtown all the way to the southern tip of Manhattan, to the site of the ruin of the New York Stock Exchange [NYSE] building?

If the point is to get these two humans lured to the area where the five top Mutants can interrogate them, then why not have them telepathically coaxed to go from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to Grand Central? It's only a few blocks away, after all! Why have them go over three miles away to the tip of Manhattan (to the vicinity of the NYSE) and then all the way back to the same midtown region where the ruins of Radio City Music Hall (etc) await them?

Why why WHY???

It seems to me that it would make sense for the Mutants to lure Brent and Nova from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to where they are waiting, at Grand Central Terminal. It would make sense, that is, if it were the Mutants who were luring Brent and Nova.

But... what if somebody else is doing the telepathic luring?

In my scenario, the mind-powers of these Mutants are similar to the abilities possessed by the so-called "gods" of the ancient world. One of those "gods" is a major character in my POTA story, and it was he who was preparing to introduce terrestrial life forms to the "New Earth" world that Taylor's mission was sent out to explore, some 320 light-years away from our Solar System in the constellation Orion. That "god" -- known anciently by names such as Eden, Aten, Wotan, Odin, Votan... and Thoth/Tehuti /Teoti... and Enki, Ea, Yah, El, Hermes, Mercury... and Kon-Tiki-Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl , Kukulcan -- that god last interfered with Mankind's cultural/political development by masterminding, behind-the-scenes, the creation of the United States of America prior to leaving the planet Earth in order to prepare his "New Earth" 320 light-years away. As the Grand Master of a secret society which included George Washington, Jefferson, Franklin (et alia ), this "god" was known by a combination of four of his prior names: Ea + Enki + Tehuti + El... pronounced as "Yankee Doodle."

This "god" -- in my scenario -- is present at the New Earth system in the year 2503 when a galactic terrorism incident results in the sunlike star of that system being destroyed in an artificially-induced supernova. Yankee Doodle survives that event, only to be trapped in a time-warping orbit around the supernova remnant Black Hole left behind. From his perspective, only a single day goes by (i.e. Ship-Time) for every thousand years that the universe ages (i.e. Earth-Time)... so that he experiences 1.475 days during the 1,475 years that go by between the years 2503 and 3978.

In 3978, when the Orion Mission (of which Taylor and Brent, with others, are a part) encounters the Black Hole around which Yankee Doodle is time-warping, that God-of-old is rescued by their close approach to his position, and he is able to work it so that when they all zip back to the Sol System (and planet Earth), they do so by flying through the ring-shaped singularity at the heart of the spinning Black Hole... going backwards through Time, from 3978 to 3955, with all the Earth-Time clocks on all the ships involved registering this change except for the one in Taylor's shuttle , which had gotten "unplugged" from the computer feed of the "mothership" -- due to the tractor beam of Yankee Doodle's ship unexpectedly tugging that ship out of its docking socket.

Anyway, the upshot of it is that when the cluster of ships ends its spacetime-warping jump through hyperspace, they're all in the upper atmosphere of the Earth... way too close for comfort. Taylor's shuttle breaks away (its guy wire snapping off) and falls separately towards the Earth's surface, whereas the other ships then make a "microjump" through hyperspace to a safer location further away from the Earth.

But, before that microjump, a group of three has suited up in those helmeted spacesuits later seen in the opening scenes of ESCAPE , and they've flown that 3rd and smaller shuttle -- the one with the gull-wing hatch -- away from the "mothership"... following after Taylor's falling ship. As one of the ANSA astronauts pilots their ship down to a safe landing somewhere on the shoreline of the ocean, a second ANSA astronaut -- using a ship-to-ship computer link -- remotely pilots Taylor's shuttle down to its water landing in Dead Lake. All those maneuvers we see in the "ship's-eye-view" landing scene (after the opening credits of PLANET ) are performed by an ANSA astronaut working a joystick, trying to find a safe place to land a ship with one dead (Stewart) and three still-hibernating astronauts (Taylor, Landon, and Dodge) aboard it.

The 3-seater shuttle had 3 people in it, and they left behind those 3 pressure suits and helmets. In my scenario, the two humans who had been captured by the Hunt Club on the very day when Taylor had been subjected to that "hearing"/Tribunal... the two humans who were almost reunited with Taylor when Zira and Lucius encountered those gorillas on their way out of Ape City to rendezvous with Cornelius... those two humans are the two ANSA astronauts who were on that 3rd shuttle.

And, with them in that shuttle, was the ancient "god" whom they've just met, whom they've just gone through hyperspace with: Yankee Doodle.

So, then, after landing that 3rd shuttle on the ocean shore, those two ANSA guys and Yankee Doodle will naturally seek out the just-revived ANSA astronauts who've survived in that other ship: Taylor, Landon, and Dodge. The catch is, they're too far away for Yankee Doodle to use his telepathic abilities to directly make contact with them... because, between the two groups there is a dangerous source of telepathic trouble that has suddenly become aware of the presence of both groups on either side of their zone of influence: the Mutants.

Before Yankee Doodle can do anything to prevent it, one of the two ANSA astronauts trekking across the Forbidden Zone with him is "puppeteered" into firing a round of ammunition directly at him. "God" has just gotten shot. 

But, although the wound is serious, it isn't one that will kill him right away. Using his own mental abilities, Yankee cuts off the Mutant control of his companions, and sends them off towards the south... in the direction of the only other Thinking Beings of whom he is aware -- the Apes in the inhabited areas on the other side of that dashed line across Cornelius' map.

Those two ANSA astronauts -- no longer armed with the pistol -- leave Yankee behind... and, ultimately, they are captured by the gorillas of the Hunt Club on the same day that Taylor's tribunal/hearing is held. In my scenario, Milo will eventually encounter them, learning from them the location of the ANSA spaceship which they landed on the shore, miles past the location of the Statue of Liberty, which (of course) leads to him going there, later, with Cornelius and Zira, after their return from the Cave site with Zaius.

Meanwhile, Yankee Doodle -- wounded though he is -- finds his way down into the subterranean ruins of the region of lower Manhatten... to the very site where he witnessed George Washington give his inaugural address on 30 April 1789, the first capitol building used by the United States of America: Federal Hall. 

So... the Grand Master "God"-of-yore, telepathic Yankee Doodle, finds himself on the verge of death from the gunshot wound that the Mutants ("possessing" his companion astronaut) inflicted on him. He's holed away in the ruins of the site where George Washington became the first President of the United States of America...

... and then he senses the presence of Brent and Nova in the ruins of the subway station, miles away. His only hope is to find a way to transcarnate ... to project his own Mind into a receptive brain capable of receiving his imprint, the way he perpetuated his existence for thousands of years before he ultimately left the Earth shortly after bequeathing to America his blessings.

So he uses his telepathic abilities to lure Brent and Nova through the subway tunnels from Queens to Manhattan... through the cylindrical air-ducts leading to the emergence point in front of the NYPL... all the while creating a mental "static" that prevents the Mutants from interfering with his efforts. Even when Brent and Nova are only a few blocks away from Grand Central, the Mutants are unaware of their presence, and Yankee Doodle successfully coaxes them to make their way over 3 miles away from the NYPL... down to the area where the NYSE building's ruins can be seen -- a site which is cater-corner from Freedom Hall .

In my scenario, Yankee Doodle's reason for luring Brent and Nova all the way there is so that he can put Nova into a trance-state, during a rest period Brent and Nova take. During that time, Yankee Doodle transcarnates into the brain of the fetus gestating within Nova's womb.

Yes. Nova had gotten pregnant from Taylor... and the still-developing brain of that unborn child receives the very imprint of the Mind of "God".

The only problem is, having "jumped ship" (so to speak), from his dying body into the fetus still growing inside Nova, Yankee Doodle becomes vulnerable... unable thenceforth to use all of his mental abilities. In an ideal world, he would be able to gestate peacefully, with his mother well away from any dangers for the 8 more months she needs to carry him to term.

But they're not on any ideal world; they're on the planet of the apes!

When Nova reawakens from her trance-state, she is carrying Taylor's son... who is now the next incarnation of Yankee Doodle, who -- long ago -- had been known as the "psychopomp" god Hermes /Mercury, a.k.a. Tehuti/Thoth , the god who was able to guide human souls through from one life to a "next" life. Others could not reincarnate of their own will -- they needed Enki/Yankee to act as the psychic catalyst in this alchemical reaction... but Yankee himself can transcarnate all on his own. But... once he does so, he is temporarily vulnerable, since his Mind is inside the not-yet-fully-developed brain of a fetus.

Thus, when Brent and Nova make their way from the NYSE/Federal Hall area of lower Manhattan back up to the vicinity of St. Patrick's Cathedral, the Mutants have finally become aware of the presence of these two surface-dwellers in their subterranean domains. Perhaps subconsciously, they can detect the presence of a Mind greater than that of Mendez growing inside Nova...

... so they try to get Brent to kill her. But, luckily for Nova (and for Yankee Doodle), Brent is just barely within the "puppeteering" range of Negro... and, by exerting his will to the utmost, Brent is able to shake off the controlling influence, regaining control over his own motor cortex: "Get out ! Get out of my head!"

I'll wrap it up for now, by ending this exposition of my POTA scenario with this question: When Nova is shot by that gorilla outside the cell wherein Taylor and Brent fought and, ultimately, killed the puppeteering Negro... did her unborn child get hit by one of the rounds? Taylor checked Nova's pulse (her wrist), and obviously could tell that her heart had stopped. He then expresses his anguish in a way that makes it clear that Nova has just died.

But it takes time for the entire body to die. How much time does a living fetus have before the death of its "host" mother results in its own death? When Nova dies... does her unborn child die at the same time? Or, does it have a window of time wherein it could be saved, even though its host-mother is dead?

When Nova dies... is the "God" inside her doomed?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 12-01-2012

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  Why do the mutants make Brent and Nova take the long route? To wear them out. Any torturer will tell you it's better to have their subject tired and more susceptible to suggestion. Ask any torturer. Go ahead.

From: Patrick
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's Cathedral

 

When Brent and Nova, hiding in a 'cave' that is actually the ruin of the Queensboro Plaza subway station, hear that strange hum, they follow it through the subway tunnels... eventually finding a larger cave area where a cylindrical tunnel leads up to the 'ground-level' remains of the New York Public Library [NYPL].


If you get out a map of NYC, you'll notice that the NYPL is closer to Grand Central Terminal than the cathedral housing the Doomsday Bomb. More on that fact later...

If Brent and Nova are being lured into the domain of the Mutants by Mendez XXVI and his pals, why are they then sent on a long detour from midtown all the way to the southern tip of Manhattan, to the site of the ruin of the New York Stock Exchange [NYSE] building?

If the point is to get these two humans lured to the area where the five top Mutants can interrogate them, then why not have them telepathically coaxed to go from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to Grand Central? It's only a few blocks away, after all! Why have them go over three miles away to the tip of Manhattan (to the vicinity of the NYSE) and then all the way back to the same midtown region where the ruins of Radio City Music Hall (etc) await them?

Why why WHY???

It seems to me that it would make sense for the Mutants to lure Brent and Nova from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to where they are waiting, at Grand Central Terminal. It would make sense, that is, if it were the Mutants who were luring Brent and Nova.

But... what if somebody else is doing the telepathic luring?

In my scenario, the mind-powers of these Mutants are similar to the abilities possessed by the so-called "gods" of the ancient world. One of those "gods" is a major character in my POTA story, and it was he who was preparing to introduce terrestrial life forms to the "New Earth" world that Taylor's mission was sent out to explore, some 320 light-years away from our Solar System in the constellation Orion. That "god" -- known anciently by names such as Eden, Aten, Wotan, Odin, Votan... and Thoth/Tehuti/Teoti... and Enki, Ea, Yah, El, Hermes, Mercury... and Kon-Tiki-Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan -- that god last interfered with Mankind's cultural/political development by masterminding, behind-the-scenes, the creation of the United States of America prior to leaving the planet Earth in order to prepare his "New Earth" 320 light-years away. As the Grand Master of a secret society which included George Washington, Jefferson, Franklin (et alia), this "god" was known by a combination of four of his prior names: Ea + Enki + Tehuti + El... pronounced as "Yankee Doodle."

This "god" -- in my scenario -- is present at the New Earth system in the year 2503 when a galactic terrorism incident results in the sunlike star of that system being destroyed in an artificially-induced supernova. Yankee Doodle survives that event, only to be trapped in a time-warping orbit around the supernova remnant Black Hole left behind. From his perspective, only a single day goes by (i.e. Ship-Time) for every thousand years that the universe ages (i.e. Earth-Time)... so that he experiences 1.475 days during the 1,475 years that go by between the years 2503 and 3978.

In 3978, when the Orion Mission (of which Taylor and Brent, with others, are a part) encounters the Black Hole around which Yankee Doodle is time-warping, that God-of-old is rescued by their close approach to his position, and he is able to work it so that when they all zip back to the Sol System (and planet Earth), they do so by flying through the ring-shaped singularity at the heart of the spinning Black Hole... going backwards through Time, from 3978 to 3955, with all the Earth-Time clocks on all the ships involved registering this change except for the one in Taylor's shuttle, which had gotten "unplugged" from the computer feed of the "mothership" -- due to the tractor beam of Yankee Doodle's ship unexpectedly tugging that ship out of its docking socket.

Anyway, the upshot of it is that when the cluster of ships ends its spacetime-warping jump through hyperspace, they're all in the upper atmosphere of the Earth... way too close for comfort. Taylor's shuttle breaks away (its guy wire snapping off) and falls separately towards the Earth's surface, whereas the other ships then make a "microjump" through hyperspace to a safer location further away from the Earth.

But, before that microjump, a group of three has suited up in those helmeted spacesuits later seen in the opening scenes of ESCAPE, and they've flown that 3rd and smaller shuttle -- the one with the gull-wing hatch -- away from the "mothership"... following after Taylor's falling ship. As one of the ANSA astronauts pilots their ship down to a safe landing somewhere on the shoreline of the ocean, a second ANSA astronaut -- using a ship-to-ship computer link -- remotely pilots Taylor's shuttle down to its water landing in Dead Lake. All those maneuvers we see in the "ship's-eye-view" landing scene (after the opening credits of PLANET) are performed by an ANSA astronaut working a joystick, trying to find a safe place to land a ship with one dead (Stewart) and three still-hibernating astronauts (Taylor, Landon, and Dodge) aboard it.

The 3-seater shuttle had 3 people in it, and they left behind those 3 pressure suits and helmets. In my scenario, the two humans who had been captured by the Hunt Club on the very day when Taylor had been subjected to that "hearing"/Tribunal... the two humans who were almost reunited with Taylor when Zira and Lucius encountered those gorillas on their way out of Ape City to rendezvous with Cornelius... those two humans are the two ANSA astronauts who were on that 3rd shuttle.

And, with them in that shuttle, was the ancient "god" whom they've just met, whom they've just gone through hyperspace with: Yankee Doodle.

So, then, after landing that 3rd shuttle on the ocean shore, those two ANSA guys and Yankee Doodle will naturally seek out the just-revived ANSA astronauts who've survived in that other ship: Taylor, Landon, and Dodge. The catch is, they're too far away for Yankee Doodle to use his telepathic abilities to directly make contact with them... because, between the two groups there is a dangerous source of telepathic trouble that has suddenly become aware of the presence of both groups on either side of their zone of influence: the Mutants.

Before Yankee Doodle can do anything to prevent it, one of the two ANSA astronauts trekking across the Forbidden Zone with him is "puppeteered" into firing a round of ammunition directly at him. "God" has just gotten shot. 

But, although the wound is serious, it isn't one that will kill him right away. Using his own mental abilities, Yankee cuts off the Mutant control of his companions, and sends them off towards the south... in the direction of the only other Thinking Beings of whom he is aware -- the Apes in the inhabited areas on the other side of that dashed line across Cornelius' map.

Those two ANSA astronauts -- no longer armed with the pistol -- leave Yankee behind... and, ultimately, they are captured by the gorillas of the Hunt Club on the same day that Taylor's tribunal/hearing is held. In my scenario, Milo will eventually encounter them, learning from them the location of the ANSA spaceship which they landed on the shore, miles past the location of the Statue of Liberty, which (of course) leads to him going there, later, with Cornelius and Zira, after their return from the Cave site with Zaius.

Meanwhile, Yankee Doodle -- wounded though he is -- finds his way down into the subterranean ruins of the region of lower Manhatten... to the very site where he witnessed George Washington give his inaugural address on 30 April 1789, the first capitol building used by the United States of America: Federal Hall. 

So... the Grand Master "God"-of-yore, telepathic Yankee Doodle, finds himself on the verge of death from the gunshot wound that the Mutants ("possessing" his companion astronaut) inflicted on him. He's holed away in the ruins of the site where George Washington became the first President of the United States of America...

... and then he senses the presence of Brent and Nova in the ruins of the subway station, miles away. His only hope is to find a way to transcarnate... to project his own Mind into a receptive brain capable of receiving his imprint, the way he perpetuated his existence for thousands of years before he ultimately left the Earth shortly after bequeathing to America his blessings.

So he uses his telepathic abilities to lure Brent and Nova through the subway tunnels from Queens to Manhattan... through the cylindrical air-ducts leading to the emergence point in front of the NYPL... all the while creating a mental "static" that prevents the Mutants from interfering with his efforts. Even when Brent and Nova are only a few blocks away from Grand Central, the Mutants are unaware of their presence, and Yankee Doodle successfully coaxes them to make their way over 3 miles away from the NYPL... down to the area where the NYSE building's ruins can be seen -- a site which is cater-corner from Freedom Hall.

In my scenario, Yankee Doodle's reason for luring Brent and Nova all the way there is so that he can put Nova into a trance-state, during a rest period Brent and Nova take. During that time, Yankee Doodle transcarnates into the brain of the fetus gestating within Nova's womb.

Yes. Nova had gotten pregnant from Taylor... and the still-developing brain of that unborn child receives the very imprint of the Mind of "God".

The only problem is, having "jumped ship" (so to speak), from his dying body into the fetus still growing inside Nova, Yankee Doodle becomes vulnerable... unable thenceforth to use all of his mental abilities. In an ideal world, he would be able to gestate peacefully, with his mother well away from any dangers for the 8 more months she needs to carry him to term.

But they're not on any ideal world; they're on the planet of the apes!

When Nova reawakens from her trance-state, she is carrying Taylor's son... who is now the next incarnation of Yankee Doodle, who -- long ago -- had been known as the "psychopomp" god Hermes/Mercury, a.k.a. Tehuti/Thoth, the god who was able to guide human souls through from one life to a "next" life. Others could not reincarnate of their own will -- they needed Enki/Yankee to act as the psychic catalyst in this alchemical reaction... but Yankee himself can transcarnate all on his own. But... once he does so, he is temporarily vulnerable, since his Mind is inside the not-yet-fully-developed brain of a fetus.

Thus, when Brent and Nova make their way from the NYSE/Federal Hall area of lower Manhattan back up to the vicinity of St. Patrick's Cathedral, the Mutants have finally become aware of the presence of these two surface-dwellers in their subterranean domains. Perhaps subconsciously, they can detect the presence of a Mind greater than that of Mendez growing inside Nova...

... so they try to get Brent to kill her. But, luckily for Nova (and for Yankee Doodle), Brent is just barely within the "puppeteering" range of Negro... and, by exerting his will to the utmost, Brent is able to shake off the controlling influence, regaining control over his own motor cortex: "Get out! Get out of my head!"

I'll wrap it up for now, by ending this exposition of my POTA scenario with this question: When Nova is shot by that gorilla outside the cell wherein Taylor and Brent fought and, ultimately, killed the puppeteering Negro... did her unborn child get hit by one of the rounds? Taylor checked Nova's pulse (her wrist), and obviously could tell that her heart had stopped. He then expresses his anguish in a way that makes it clear that Nova has just died.

But it takes time for the entire body to die. How much time does a living fetus have before the death of its "host" mother results in its own death? When Nova dies... does her unborn child die at the same time? Or, does it have a window of time wherein it could be saved, even though its host-mother is dead?

When Nova dies... is the "God" inside her doomed?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 12-01-2012

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You can find James's calendar on my Apes website:

https://pota.goatley.com/

Thanks, James!
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Hmmmm….you seem to know a lot about torturers Jeff!  J

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012 10:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's Cathedral

 

 

  Why do the mutants make Brent and Nova take the long route? To wear them out. Any torturer will tell you it's better to have their subject tired and more susceptible to suggestion. Ask any torturer. Go ahead.

 

From: Patrick

Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's Cathedral

 

 

When Brent and Nova, hiding in a 'cave' that is actually the ruin of the Queensboro Plaza subway station, hear that strange hum, they follow it through the subway tunnels... eventually finding a larger cave area where a cylindrical tunnel leads up to the 'ground-level' remains of the New York Public Library [NYPL].

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I probably should've asked Don Pedro Colley a couple years ago when I met him at the San Diego ComicCon. Lucky for me that he kept his eyes open the entire time!

Patrick



From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's Cathedral

 
  Why do the mutants make Brent and Nova take the long route? To wear them out. Any torturer will tell you it's better to have their subject tired and more susceptible to suggestion. Ask any torturer. Go ahead.

From: Patrick
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Brent and Nova - their route from Queensboro Plaza to St. Patrick's Cathedral

 
When Brent and Nova, hiding in a 'cave' that is actually the ruin of the Queensboro Plaza subway station, hear that strange hum, they follow it through the subway tunnels... eventually finding a larger cave area where a cylindrical tunnel leads up to the 'ground-level' remains of the New York Public Library [NYPL].

If you get out a map of NYC, you'll notice that the NYPL is closer to Grand Central Terminal than the cathedral housing the Doomsday Bomb. More on that fact later...

If Brent and Nova are being lured into the domain of the Mutants by Mendez XXVI and his pals, why are they then sent on a long detour from midtown all the way to the southern tip of Manhattan, to the site of the ruin of the New York Stock Exchange [NYSE] building?

If the point is to get these two humans lured to the area where the five top Mutants can interrogate them, then why not have them telepathically coaxed to go from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to Grand Central? It's only a few blocks away, after all! Why have them go over three miles away to the tip of Manhattan (to the vicinity of the NYSE) and then all the way back to the same midtown region where the ruins of Radio City Music Hall (etc) await them?

Why why WHY???

It seems to me that it would make sense for the Mutants to lure Brent and Nova from the vicinity of the NYPL directly to where they are waiting, at Grand Central Terminal. It would make sense, that is, if it were the Mutants who were luring Brent and Nova.

But... what if somebody else is doing the telepathic luring?

In my scenario, the mind-powers of these Mutants are similar to the abilities possessed by the so-called "gods" of the ancient world. One of those "gods" is a major character in my POTA story, and it was he who was preparing to introduce terrestrial life forms to the "New Earth" world that Taylor's mission was sent out to explore, some 320 light-years away from our Solar System in the constellation Orion. That "god" -- known anciently by names such as Eden, Aten, Wotan, Odin, Votan... and Thoth/Tehuti/Teoti... and Enki, Ea, Yah, El, Hermes, Mercury... and Kon-Tiki-Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan -- that god last interfered with Mankind's cultural/political development by masterminding, behind-the-scenes, the creation of the United States of America prior to leaving the planet Earth in order to prepare his "New Earth" 320 light-years away. As the Grand Master of a secret society which included George Washington, Jefferson, Franklin (et alia), this "god" was known by a combination of four of his prior names: Ea + Enki + Tehuti + El... pronounced as "Yankee Doodle."

This "god" -- in my scenario -- is present at the New Earth system in the year 2503 when a galactic terrorism incident results in the sunlike star of that system being destroyed in an artificially-induced supernova. Yankee Doodle survives that event, only to be trapped in a time-warping orbit around the supernova remnant Black Hole left behind. From his perspective, only a single day goes by (i.e. Ship-Time) for every thousand years that the universe ages (i.e. Earth-Time)... so that he experiences 1.475 days during the 1,475 years that go by between the years 2503 and 3978.

In 3978, when the Orion Mission (of which Taylor and Brent, with others, are a part) encounters the Black Hole around which Yankee Doodle is time-warping, that God-of-old is rescued by their close approach to his position, and he is able to work it so that when they all zip back to the Sol System (and planet Earth), they do so by flying through the ring-shaped singularity at the heart of the spinning Black Hole... going backwards through Time, from 3978 to 3955, with all the Earth-Time clocks on all the ships involved registering this change except for the one in Taylor's shuttle, which had gotten "unplugged" from the computer feed of the "mothership" -- due to the tractor beam of Yankee Doodle's ship unexpectedly tugging that ship out of its docking socket.

Anyway, the upshot of it is that when the cluster of ships ends its spacetime-warping jump through hyperspace, they're all in the upper atmosphere of the Earth... way too close for comfort. Taylor's shuttle breaks away (its guy wire snapping off) and falls separately towards the Earth's surface, whereas the other ships then make a "microjump" through hyperspace to a safer location further away from the Earth.

But, before that microjump, a group of three has suited up in those helmeted spacesuits later seen in the opening scenes of ESCAPE, and they've flown that 3rd and smaller shuttle -- the one with the gull-wing hatch -- away from the "mothership"... following after Taylor's falling ship. As one of the ANSA astronauts pilots their ship down to a safe landing somewhere on the shoreline of the ocean, a second ANSA astronaut -- using a ship-to-ship computer link -- remotely pilots Taylor's shuttle down to its water landing in Dead Lake. All those maneuvers we see in the "ship's-eye-view" landing scene (after the opening credits of PLANET) are performed by an ANSA astronaut working a joystick, trying to find a safe place to land a ship with one dead (Stewart) and three still-hibernating astronauts (Taylor, Landon, and Dodge) aboard it.

The 3-seater shuttle had 3 people in it, and they left behind those 3 pressure suits and helmets. In my scenario, the two humans who had been captured by the Hunt Club on the very day when Taylor had been subjected to that "hearing"/Tribunal... the two humans who were almost reunited with Taylor when Zira and Lucius encountered those gorillas on their way out of Ape City to rendezvous with Cornelius... those two humans are the two ANSA astronauts who were on that 3rd shuttle.

And, with them in that shuttle, was the ancient "god" whom they've just met, whom they've just gone through hyperspace with: Yankee Doodle.

So, then, after landing that 3rd shuttle on the ocean shore, those two ANSA guys and Yankee Doodle will naturally seek out the just-revived ANSA astronauts who've survived in that other ship: Taylor, Landon, and Dodge. The catch is, they're too far away for Yankee Doodle to use his telepathic abilities to directly make contact with them... because, between the two groups there is a dangerous source of telepathic trouble that has suddenly become aware of the presence of both groups on either side of their zone of influence: the Mutants.

Before Yankee Doodle can do anything to prevent it, one of the two ANSA astronauts trekking across the Forbidden Zone with him is "puppeteered" into firing a round of ammunition directly at him. "God" has just gotten shot. 

But, although the wound is serious, it isn't one that will kill him right away. Using his own mental abilities, Yankee cuts off the Mutant control of his companions, and sends them off towards the south... in the direction of the only other Thinking Beings of whom he is aware -- the Apes in the inhabited areas on the other side of that dashed line across Cornelius' map.

Those two ANSA astronauts -- no longer armed with the pistol -- leave Yankee behind... and, ultimately, they are captured by the gorillas of the Hunt Club on the same day that Taylor's tribunal/hearing is held. In my scenario, Milo will eventually encounter them, learning from them the location of the ANSA spaceship which they landed on the shore, miles past the location of the Statue of Liberty, which (of course) leads to him going there, later, with Cornelius and Zira, after their return from the Cave site with Zaius.

Meanwhile, Yankee Doodle -- wounded though he is -- finds his way down into the subterranean ruins of the region of lower Manhatten... to the very site where he witnessed George Washington give his inaugural address on 30 April 1789, the first capitol building used by the United States of America: Federal Hall. 

So... the Grand Master "God"-of-yore, telepathic Yankee Doodle, finds himself on the verge of death from the gunshot wound that the Mutants ("possessing" his companion astronaut) inflicted on him. He's holed away in the ruins of the site where George Washington became the first President of the United States of America...

... and then he senses the presence of Brent and Nova in the ruins of the subway station, miles away. His only hope is to find a way to transcarnate... to project his own Mind into a receptive brain capable of receiving his imprint, the way he perpetuated his existence for thousands of years before he ultimately left the Earth shortly after bequeathing to America his blessings.

So he uses his telepathic abilities to lure Brent and Nova through the subway tunnels from Queens to Manhattan... through the cylindrical air-ducts leading to the emergence point in front of the NYPL... all the while creating a mental "static" that prevents the Mutants from interfering with his efforts. Even when Brent and Nova are only a few blocks away from Grand Central, the Mutants are unaware of their presence, and Yankee Doodle successfully coaxes them to make their way over 3 miles away from the NYPL... down to the area where the NYSE building's ruins can be seen -- a site which is cater-corner from Freedom Hall.

In my scenario, Yankee Doodle's reason for luring Brent and Nova all the way there is so that he can put Nova into a trance-state, during a rest period Brent and Nova take. During that time, Yankee Doodle transcarnates into the brain of the fetus gestating within Nova's womb.

Yes. Nova had gotten pregnant from Taylor... and the still-developing brain of that unborn child receives the very imprint of the Mind of "God".

The only problem is, having "jumped ship" (so to speak), from his dying body into the fetus still growing inside Nova, Yankee Doodle becomes vulnerable... unable thenceforth to use all of his mental abilities. In an ideal world, he would be able to gestate peacefully, with his mother well away from any dangers for the 8 more months she needs to carry him to term.

But they're not on any ideal world; they're on the planet of the apes!

When Nova reawakens from her trance-state, she is carrying Taylor's son... who is now the next incarnation of Yankee Doodle, who -- long ago -- had been known as the "psychopomp" god Hermes/Mercury, a.k.a. Tehuti/Thoth, the god who was able to guide human souls through from one life to a "next" life. Others could not reincarnate of their own will -- they needed Enki/Yankee to act as the psychic catalyst in this alchemical reaction... but Yankee himself can transcarnate all on his own. But... once he does so, he is temporarily vulnerable, since his Mind is inside the not-yet-fully-developed brain of a fetus.

Thus, when Brent and Nova make their way from the NYSE/Federal Hall area of lower Manhattan back up to the vicinity of St. Patrick's Cathedral, the Mutants have finally become aware of the presence of these two surface-dwellers in their subterranean domains. Perhaps subconsciously, they can detect the presence of a Mind greater than that of Mendez growing inside Nova...

... so they try to get Brent to kill her. But, luckily for Nova (and for Yankee Doodle), Brent is just barely within the "puppeteering" range of Negro... and, by exerting his will to the utmost, Brent is able to shake off the controlling influence, regaining control over his own motor cortex: "Get out! Get out of my head!"

I'll wrap it up for now, by ending this exposition of my POTA scenario with this question: When Nova is shot by that gorilla outside the cell wherein Taylor and Brent fought and, ultimately, killed the puppeteering Negro... did her unborn child get hit by one of the rounds? Taylor checked Nova's pulse (her wrist), and obviously could tell that her heart had stopped. He then expresses his anguish in a way that makes it clear that Nova has just died.

But it takes time for the entire body to die. How much time does a living fetus have before the death of its "host" mother results in its own death? When Nova dies... does her unborn child die at the same time? Or, does it have a window of time wherein it could be saved, even though its host-mother is dead?

When Nova dies... is the "God" inside her doomed?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 12-01-2012



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Group: potadg Message: 61755 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/5/2012
Subject: Andy Serkis talks "Dawn of the POTA"
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  There's a certain little movie called "The Hobbit" coming out next week and Andy (Gollum/Caesar) Serkis has been making the rounds. He gave Comingsoon a quote about "Dawn of the POTA":
 
  "The interesting thing now will be how Caesar operates in this world - - because of the virus that hits at the end of the first movie - - and how Caesar brings an accord between the apes and the surviving humans and that's going to be interesting where we take that".
 
  Yep, "Battle For the POTA". Serkis has met director Matt Reeves (that's good, since they shoot in March) and there's been some preliminary CG tests. Serkis also talks about "Animal Farm", a project he hopes to direct. That's another one that Rupert Wyatt was going to direct. I don't want to start rumors but could Serkis and Wyatt have had a falling out? Wyatt seems to have fallen off the map. All the best to him.
 
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Subject: James Naughton's Birthday, 12/6/2012, 12:00 am
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Group: potadg Message: 61757 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/6/2012
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Just a heads up to those buying the BOOM POTA comics. There will be a 32 page one-shot special that will be going back to the Daryl Gregory storyline:
http://www.boom-studios.com/planet-of-the-apes-special-01-cover-a-available-for-pre-order.html"

I only found out about this because my shop (or LCS in comic lingo) has their database set to pick up all PotA titles for me.
I've put in my preorder, although I'm not sure what the arrival date will be. Sometime in January or February.

Just thought you'd want to know.

Dario
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Group: potadg Message: 61758 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/6/2012
Subject: Re: BOOM 32 page one-shot special
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In a message dated 12/6/2012 9:24:47 AM Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

Just a heads up to those buying the BOOM POTA comics. There will be a 32 page one-shot special that will be going back to the Daryl Gregory storyline:
http://www.boom-studios.com/planet-of-the-apes-special-01-cover-a-available-for-pre-order.htmlbr>
I only found out about this because my shop (or LCS in comic lingo) has their database set to pick up all PotA titles for me. 
I've put in my preorder, although I'm not sure what the arrival date will be. Sometime in January or February.

Just thought you'd want to know.


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Group: potadg Message: 61759 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: checking in with Joe Letteri
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  There's lots of POTA folks who are also "Hobbit" folks, and with that movie right around the corner (are YOU seeing it in 48 frames?) we're getting some updates on "Dawn of the POTA" (basically that they are still prepping it). Joe Letteri answers some questions in this video. The big "whew!" is that it's not a problem to juggle all these projects. Besides "Apes", WETA has two more years of "The Hobbit", they are prepping "Avatar 2 & 3" to start shooting next year and they also have a hand in movies like "Man of Steel" (Superman), "The Wolverine" and "Iron Man 3". He says starting with "Avatar" they restructured how they approach motion capture/CG characters and he talks a little about that.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61760 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:13 PM
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella

  The actor who played the gorillas Zon and Jason on the POTA TV show has died. He never really had the role that would make people go, "Oh, him!" but he seemed to work steady and certainly his work on POTA was memorable. Zon  was the racist bad guy in "The Deception" and Jason was the by the book gorilla in "The Gladiators" (he didn't share your tender concern for humans). He was also in the 1974 movie "Moonchild" that starred Victor Buono. Probably he didn't dream of being remembered for playing gorillas but we take our fame where we can get it. Thanks for the fun, Pat.
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61761 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel

  I have fond memories of the Sci-Fi Channel in the mid-'90's. For starters, it was a POTA fan's best friend, not only showing complete runs of the TV show and the cartoons long before DVD existed, but including interviews with Roddy McDowall and others. It even had Roddy hosting a week of POTA movies (at this point I wanted to link to a youtube video but there aren't any).
  Beyond that, it was just a great place with terrific shows like "Sci-Fi Buzz", "Bob (Burns)'s Basement", commentaries by the great Harlan Ellison, and regular features on people working on sci-fi projects (James Cameron, Stan Winston, etc.). Damn, in the days before the internet these were gold. They also produced one of my favorite TV shows of all time, the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica".
  Anyway, since then they changed their name to Sy Fy and became a shell of their former selves, concentrating on wrestling and ghost hunter shows. It's almost laughable that they are coming out with a "history of science fiction" book and a 20th anniversary special (Dec. 10th), but I remember the days when the Sci-Fi Channel meant something. It will always have it's place in POTA history.
 
 
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61762 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: Re: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
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In a message dated 12/7/2012 3:40:53 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Anyway, since then they changed their name to Sy Fy and became a shell of their former selves, concentrating on wrestling and ghost hunter shows. It's almost laughable that they are coming out with a "history of science fiction" book and a 20th anniversary special (Dec. 10th), but I remember the days when the Sci-Fi Channel meant something. It will always have it's place in POTA history.


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Group: potadg Message: 61763 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel

  I have fond memories of the Sci-Fi Channel in the mid-'90's. For starters, it was a POTA fan's best friend, not only showing complete runs of the TV show and the cartoons long before DVD existed, but including interviews with Roddy McDowall and others. It even had Roddy hosting a week of POTA movies (at this point I wanted to link to a youtube video but there aren't any).
  Beyond that, it was just a great place with terrific shows like "Sci-Fi Buzz", "Bob (Burns)'s Basement", commentaries by the great Harlan Ellison, and regular features on people working on sci-fi projects (James Cameron, Stan Winston, etc.). Damn, in the days before the internet these were gold. They also produced one of my favorite TV shows of all time, the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica".
  Anyway, since then they changed their name to Sy Fy and became a shell of their former selves, concentrating on wrestling and ghost hunter shows. It's almost laughable that they are coming out with a "history of science fiction" book and a 20th anniversary special (Dec. 10th), but I remember the days when the Sci-Fi Channel meant something. It will always have it's place in POTA history.
 
 
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61764 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/7/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
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  I have fond memories of the Sci-Fi Channel in the mid-'90's. For starters, it was a POTA fan's best friend, not only showing complete runs of the TV show and the cartoons long before DVD existed, but including interviews with Roddy McDowall and others. It even had Roddy hosting a week of POTA movies (at this point I wanted to link to a youtube video but there aren't any).
  Beyond that, it was just a great place with terrific shows like "Sci-Fi Buzz", "Bob (Burns)'s Basement", commentaries by the great Harlan Ellison, and regular features on people working on sci-fi projects (James Cameron, Stan Winston, etc.). Damn, in the days before the internet these were gold. They also produced one of my favorite TV shows of all time, the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica".
  Anyway, since then they changed their name to Sy Fy and became a shell of their former selves, concentrating on wrestling and ghost hunter shows. It's almost laughable that they are coming out with a "history of science fiction" book and a 20th anniversary special (Dec. 10th), but I remember the days when the Sci-Fi Channel meant something. It will always have it's place in POTA history.
 
 
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61765 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:50 PM
Subject: 20 years of the Sci-Fi Channel

  I have fond memories of the Sci-Fi Channel in the mid-'90's. For starters, it was a POTA fan's best friend, not only showing complete runs of the TV show and the cartoons long before DVD existed, but including interviews with Roddy McDowall and others. It even had Roddy hosting a week of POTA movies (at this point I wanted to link to a youtube video but there aren't any).
  Beyond that, it was just a great place with terrific shows like "Sci-Fi Buzz", "Bob (Burns)'s Basement", commentaries by the great Harlan Ellison, and regular features on people working on sci-fi projects (James Cameron, Stan Winston, etc.). Damn, in the days before the internet these were gold. They also produced one of my favorite TV shows of all time, the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica".
  Anyway, since then they changed their name to Sy Fy and became a shell of their former selves, concentrating on wrestling and ghost hunter shows. It's almost laughable that they are coming out with a "history of science fiction" book and a 20th anniversary special (Dec. 10th), but I remember the days when the Sci-Fi Channel meant something. It will always have it's place in POTA history.
 
 
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61766 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:13 PM
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella

  The actor who played the gorillas Zon and Jason on the POTA TV show has died. He never really had the role that would make people go, "Oh, him!" but he seemed to work steady and certainly his work on POTA was memorable. Zon  was the racist bad guy in "The Deception" and Jason was the by the book gorilla in "The Gladiators" (he didn't share your tender concern for humans). He was also in the 1974 movie "Moonchild" that starred Victor Buono. Probably he didn't dream of being remembered for playing gorillas but we take our fame where we can get it. Thanks for the fun, Pat.
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61767 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: R.I.P. Pat Renella
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  The actor who played the gorillas Zon and Jason on the POTA TV show has died. He never really had the role that would make people go, "Oh, him!" but he seemed to work steady and certainly his work on POTA was memorable. Zon  was the racist bad guy in "The Deception" and Jason was the by the book gorilla in "The Gladiators" (he didn't share your tender concern for humans). He was also in the 1974 movie "Moonchild" that starred Victor Buono. Probably he didn't dream of being remembered for playing gorillas but we take our fame where we can get it. Thanks for the fun, Pat.
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61768 From: Sal & Mick Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Pat Renella
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Oh cool – multiple posts!  That’s going to shake up the stats!  J

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 5:14 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] R.I.P. Pat Renella

 

 

  The actor who played the gorillas Zon and Jason on the POTA TV show has died. He never really had the role that would make people go, "Oh, him!" but he seemed to work steady and certainly his work on POTA was memorable. Zon  was the racist bad guy in "The Deception" and Jason was the by the book gorilla in "The Gladiators" (he didn't share your tender concern for humans). He was also in the 1974 movie "Moonchild" that starred Victor Buono. Probably he didn't dream of being remembered for playing gorillas but we take our fame where we can get it. Thanks for the fun, Pat.

 

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Group: potadg Message: 61769 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Pat Renella
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   My e-mail is acting up. I posted them and they disappeared. Now my past has come back to haunt me.  : o

From: Sal & Mick
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] R.I.P. Pat Renella

 

Oh cool – multiple posts!  That’s going to shake up the stats!  J


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 5:14 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] R.I.P. Pat Renella

 

  The actor who played the gorillas Zon and Jason on the POTA TV show has died. He never really had the role that would make people go, "Oh, him!" but he seemed to work steady and certainly his work on POTA was memorable. Zon  was the racist bad guy in "The Deception" and Jason was the by the book gorilla in "The Gladiators" (he didn't share your tender concern for humans). He was also in the 1974 movie "Moonchild" that starred Victor Buono. Probably he didn't dream of being remembered for playing gorillas but we take our fame where we can get it. Thanks for the fun, Pat.

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Group: potadg Message: 61770 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/8/2012
Subject: "Dawn of the POTA" going 3D
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  It looks like "Dawn of the POTA" is joining the crowd and going 3D. This will give a chance to collect those higher 3D tickets and perhaps give it a shot at the $1 billion club. Though it hasn't started shooting yet, it doesn't like they are going to shoot in 3D but just post-convert it after the fact like most movies do. I don't usually bother with 3D unless it was filmed that way ("Avatar", "The Hobbit") but I will probably check out apes in the 3rd dimension.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61771 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2012
Subject: Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday, 12/10/2012, 12:00 am
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Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday
 
Date:   Monday December 10, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday Michael!
(Attar: POTA 2001)
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61772 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: "Dawn" - not much more time
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: "Dawn" - not much more time

  It would seem that "Dawn of the POTA" would have much more time to perfect the FX, considering "Rise of the POTA" came together in about a year and a half, whereas "Dawn" has 3 years since "Rise". But, no. According to my calculations, "Rise" got 13 months from the start of filming until release (July 2010 to Aug. 2011), and "Dawn" gets 14 months (March 2013 to May 2014). We are now ape-proximately half way between "Rise" and "Dawn" and that time has been spent on the script (thankfully). But even there "Dawn" gets shortchanged, since the "Rise" script was in development since 2007.
   I guess the advantage "Dawn" has is that the studio didn't have much expectations for "Rise" but now that it was a huge hit (it made more than "Batman Begins", more than the recent "Star Trek", more than any "X-Men") Fox will be willing to throw money at it to make those special effects special. Plus they need time to make it 3D. Maybe it is true that Rupert Wyatt didn't feel he had enough time. But really, POTA is not getting any less time than other franchises get. It used to be 3 years between "Star Wars" movies but Disney is planning one every two years. Two years is the new three years and welcome to it.
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Group: potadg Message: 61773 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2012
Subject: Richard Zanuck's Birthday, 12/13/2012, 12:00 am
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Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Richard Zanuck's Birthday
 
Date:   Thursday December 13, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday Dick!
(Producer: POTA 2001)
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61774 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/13/2012
Subject: "Dawn" - not much more time
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  It would seem that "Dawn of the POTA" would have much more time to perfect the FX, considering "Rise of the POTA" came together in about a year and a half, whereas "Dawn" has 3 years since "Rise". But, no. According to my calculations, "Rise" got 13 months from the start of filming until release (July 2010 to Aug. 2011), and "Dawn" gets 14 months (March 2013 to May 2014). We are now ape-proximately half way between "Rise" and "Dawn" and that time has been spent on the script (thankfully). But even there "Dawn" gets shortchanged, since the "Rise" script was in development since 2007.
   I guess the advantage "Dawn" has is that the studio didn't have much expectations for "Rise" but now that it was a huge hit (it made more than "Batman Begins", more than the recent "Star Trek", more than any "X-Men") Fox will be willing to throw money at it to make those special effects special. Plus they need time to make it 3D. Maybe it is true that Rupert Wyatt didn't feel he had enough time. But really, POTA is not getting any less time than other franchises get. It used to be 3 years between "Star Wars" movies but Disney is planning one every two years. Two years is the new three years and welcome to it.
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Group: potadg Message: 61775 From: Tim Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: John Landis in Battle
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I am several days behind on Ape-mail but saw this yesterday and thought I'd share. It's from a book by John Landis about movie monsters. A two page spread on POTA included this blurb. John as "Jake's Friend".....
Looks like he was glad he was cut out!
Tim
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Group: potadg Message: 61776 From: Tim Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Landis book
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Here's the two page spread. Nice to come across POTA amongst the wilds of Christmas shopping!
Tim
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Group: potadg Message: 61777 From: Dario Sciola Date: 12/14/2012
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In the text accopanying that picture, Landis writes that his part was cut out of the movie, but I could swear that that scene is in the background somewhere in the movie. Perhaps it is just me thinking that because I've seen that picture before. I think his name is also in the final credits which also leads me to believe that he is in the final movie cut.

Dario

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From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: "POTA group" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "POTADG" < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:17:24 AM
Subject: [pota] John Landis in Battle [1 Attachment]





[ Attachment(s) from Tim included below]

I am several days behind on Ape-mail but saw this yesterday and thought I'd share. It's from a book by John Landis about movie monsters. A two page spread on POTA included this blurb. John as "Jake's Friend".....
Looks like he was glad he was cut out!
Tim
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Group: potadg Message: 61778 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 12/14/2012
Subject: Re: [pota] John Landis in Battle
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He IS in Battle in a couple of scenes! Although, he's never around Jake.

Jeff

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Dario Sciola <darios@... > wrote:


In the text accopanying that picture, Landis writes that his part was cut out of the movie, but I could swear that that scene is in the background somewhere in the movie. Perhaps it is just me thinking that because I've seen that picture before. I think his name is also in the final credits which also leads me to believe that he is in the final movie cut.

Dario

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From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: "POTA group" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "POTADG" < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:17:24 AM
Subject: [pota] John Landis in Battle [1 Attachment]

[ Attachment(s) from Tim included below]

I am several days behind on Ape-mail but saw this yesterday and thought I'd share. It's from a book by John Landis about movie monsters. A two page spread on POTA included this blurb. John as "Jake's Friend".....
Looks like he was glad he was cut out!
Tim


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Group: potadg Message: 61779 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/14/2012
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  That scene is in the movie when Aldo declares martial law.

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:22 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] John Landis in Battle

 


In the text accopanying that picture, Landis writes that his part was cut out of the movie, but I could swear that that scene is in the background somewhere in the movie. Perhaps it is just me thinking that because I've seen that picture before. I think his name is also in the final credits which also leads me to believe that he is in the final movie cut.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: "POTA group" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "POTADG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:17:24 AM
Subject: [pota] John Landis in Battle [1 Attachment]

[ Attachment(s) from Tim included below]

I am several days behind on Ape-mail but saw this yesterday and thought I'd share. It's from a book by John Landis about movie monsters. A two page spread on POTA included this blurb. John as "Jake's Friend".....
Looks like he was glad he was cut out!
Tim

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Group: potadg Message: 61780 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: James Franco talks "Dawn of the POTA"
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: James Franco talks "Dawn of the POTA"

 Doesn't look good for James Franco's return in "Dawn of the POTA". Even when Rupert Wyatt was directing, Franco was only slated for a cameo. Now he sez there's just radio silence:
 
  "I was going to be a small part of the next one... there was one scene, between Caesar and my character, maybe even just like on a video that was left behind, but then a lot of things happened, like Tom Rothman, who was a big part of the first movie, left. Now Rupert's not a part of it so I don't know. My guess is I won't be in it. Nobody's talked to me since Rupert left".
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61781 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/17/2012
Subject: James Franco talks "Dawn of the POTA"
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 Doesn't look good for James Franco's return in "Dawn of the POTA". Even when Rupert Wyatt was directing, Franco was only slated for a cameo. Now he sez there's just radio silence:
 
  "I was going to be a small part of the next one... there was one scene, between Caesar and my character, maybe even just like on a video that was left behind, but then a lot of things happened, like Tom Rothman, who was a big part of the first movie, left. Now Rupert's not a part of it so I don't know. My guess is I won't be in it. Nobody's talked to me since Rupert left".
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61782 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: James Gregory's Birthday, 12/23/2012, 12:00 am
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Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   James Gregory's Birthday
 
Date:   Sunday December 23, 2012
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday James!
(General Ursus: Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61783 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2012
Subject: Estella Warren's Birthday, 12/23/2012, 12:00 am
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Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Estella Warren's Birthday
 
Date:   Sunday December 23, 2012
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Notes:   Happy Birthday Estella!
(Daena: POTA 2001)
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61784 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/24/2012
Subject: Rod Serling's Birthday, 12/25/2012, 12:00 am
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Title:   Rod Serling's Birthday
 
Date:   Tuesday December 25, 2012
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Notes:   Happy Birthday Rod!
(Writer: Planet of the Apes (1968))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61785 From: Jeff K. Date: 12/31/2012
Subject: 50 years of POTA
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  2013 marks the 50th anniversary of the book that started it all, Boulle's POTA. And what better way to kick it off than with Jane Goodall as the Grand Marshal of the Rose Parade. Happy New Year to all!
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Group: potadg Message: 61786 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Jason Evers' Birthday , 1/2/2013, 12:00 am
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Date:   Wednesday January 2, 2013
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Notes:   Happy Birthday Jason!
(E-2: Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61787 From: Tim Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Jane Goodall
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Looks like they might've used the Caesar poster image from Rise for model for Jane's flowery companion in the parade yesterday!
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Group: potadg Message: 61792 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Sal Mineo's Birthday, 1/10/2013, 12:00 am
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Title:   Sal Mineo's Birthday
 
Date:   Thursday January 10, 2013
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday Sal!
(Dr. Milo: Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61795 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Wright King's Birthday, 1/11/2013, 12:00 am
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Title:   Wright King's Birthday
 
Date:   Friday January 11, 2013
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
Notes:   Happy Birthday Wright!
(Dr. Galen: Planet of the Apes (1968))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61796 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Ron Harper's Birthday, 1/12/2013, 12:00 am
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Title:   Ron Harper's Birthday
 
Date:   Saturday January 12, 2013
Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am
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(Alan Virdon: Planet of the Apes TV series (1974))
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61797 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: POTA Super Show last Sunday
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  I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
  I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
  Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.
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Group: potadg Message: 61798 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius
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POTA fan and possibly the world's funniest human, Dana Gould, joined joined Paul Williams on stage for an apetastic 5 minutes. Enjoy.
 
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 61799 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday
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    Wonderful Jeff!

    Did you get any photos?!?!?!

    Michael
     


    On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

     

      I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
      I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
      Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.


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    Group: potadg Message: 61800 From: Dario Date: 1/16/2013
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    Jeff Barkley posted a bunch of pics in the Facebook "planet of the apes forum" group:

    He also provided a bit of commentary.

    Aren't you in that group Michael? Thought you were.

    How about you Jeff? Take the FB plunge yet? Resistance is futile! Even Neil pops in now and then. Come drink the kool-aid with us.  :)

    Dario

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, smwhitty@... wrote:

    Wonderful Jeff!

    Did you get any photos?!?!?!

    Michael
     


    On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

     

      I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
      I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
      Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.


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    Group: potadg Message: 61801 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/16/2013
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      I don't seem to be in that group.  I have asked to join. Possibly run by someone who feels threatened by my presence.....

      There are no photos of collectibles - was it just photos?
       


      On 17/01/2013 1:14 PM Dario wrote:

       

      Jeff Barkley posted a bunch of pics in the Facebook "planet of the apes forum" group:

      He also provided a bit of commentary.

      Aren't you in that group Michael? Thought you were.

      How about you Jeff? Take the FB plunge yet? Resistance is futile! Even Neil pops in now and then. Come drink the kool-aid with us.  :)

      Dario

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, smwhitty@... wrote:

      Wonderful Jeff!

      Did you get any photos?!?!?!

      Michael
       


      On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

       

        I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
        I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
        Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.



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      Group: potadg Message: 61802 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 1/16/2013
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      There were no collectibles, no presentations, no displays. Only sellers and 8 POTA actors signing autographs

      On Jan 16, 2013 7:37 PM, <smwhitty@...> wrote:

      I don't seem to be in that group. I have asked to join. Possibly run by someone who feels threatened by my presence.....

      There are no photos of collectibles - was it just photos?


      On 17/01/2013 1:14 PM Dario wrote:

      Jeff Barkley posted a bunch of pics in the Facebook "planet of the apes forum" group:

      He also provided a bit of commentary.

      Aren't you in that group Michael? Thought you were.

      How about you Jeff? Take the FB plunge yet? Resistance is futile! Even Neil pops in now and then. Come drink the kool-aid with us. :)

      Dario

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, smwhitty@... wrote:

      Wonderful Jeff!

      Did you get any photos?!?!?!

      Michael


      On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

      I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
      I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
      Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.



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      .html.html My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)


      In a message dated 1/16/2013 7:14:18 PM Central Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

      Wonderful Jeff!

      Did you get any photos?!?!?!

      Michael


      On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

                Lee Delano




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      Group: potadg Message: 61804 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/17/2013
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        Yes I did. First of all, it did happen. I've seen one of Bill's residual checks. He got one as recently as 2007 (for a scene that isn't in the show? Do people get residuals for something they worked on even if it's on the cutting room floor? Or is it in the episode in some country?). Lee knew Bill well but unfortunately he doesn't have any of the pictures from the scene.

      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:03 PM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

       

      My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)


      In a message dated 1/16/2013 7:14:18 PM Central Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

      Wonderful Jeff!

      Did you get any photos?!?!?!

      Michael


      On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

                Lee Delano




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      You can get residuals even if your scene is deleted. I get residuals from a film where I didn't even shoot anything!
      Tim



      From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:04 AM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

       
        Yes I did. First of all, it did happen. I've seen one of Bill's residual checks. He got one as recently as 2007 (for a scene that isn't in the show? Do people get residuals for something they worked on even if it's on the cutting room floor? Or is it in the episode in some country?). Lee knew Bill well but unfortunately he doesn't have any of the pictures from the scene.

      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:03 PM
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

       
      My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)


      In a message dated 1/16/2013 7:14:18 PM Central Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

      Wonderful Jeff!

      Did you get any photos?!?!?!

      Michael


      On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

                Lee Delano






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      Group: potadg Message: 61806 From: mike_oz2002 Date: 1/17/2013
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        Jeff,

        Respectfully, how does a residual cheque prove anything?

        Michael


        On 18/01/2013 1:04 AM Jeff K. wrote:

         

          Yes I did. First of all, it did happen. I've seen one of Bill's residual checks. He got one as recently as 2007 (for a scene that isn't in the show? Do people get residuals for something they worked on even if it's on the cutting room floor? Or is it in the episode in some country?). Lee knew Bill well but unfortunately he doesn't have any of the pictures from the scene.

        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:03 PM
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

         

        My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)


        In a message dated 1/16/2013 7:14:18 PM Central Standard Time, smwhitty@... writes:

        Wonderful Jeff!

        Did you get any photos?!?!?!

        Michael


        On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

                  Lee Delano





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        Group: potadg Message: 61807 From: mlccougar Date: 1/18/2013
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        .html.html What did Lee have to say about it when you asked him? Anything insightful? (And there's no sarcasm intended with these questions.)




        In a message dated 1/17/2013 8:05:54 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

        Yes I did.

        From: mlccougar@...
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:03 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday




        My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)





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        Group: potadg Message: 61808 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/18/2013
        Subject: Did they let the right one in?
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                     "No one was going to make this movie feel and exist as truthfully as Matt did."
                                                               - - - J. J. Abrams on "Cloverfield"
         
         
          By the time 2013 ends, it looks like Matt Reeves will have directed a POTA movie. Who dat? I first heard of Reeves as a seminal filmmaking pal of J. J. Abrams. I was a big "Alias" fan back in the day and Reeves was a part of Abrams' bio and even appeared in an "Alias" DVD extra. Abrams and Reeves met as teens through their love of making amateur movies. They were both in a filmmaking contest that was written about in the L. A. Times ("Beardless Wonders of Film Making" by Robert Young, 1982). The article brought them to the attention of Steven Spielberg, who hired the two of them to repair his own old amateur movies he made as a teen. These years are chronicled in a DVD extra for Abrams' film "Super 8" ("The Dream Behind Super 8").
          The cool thing is they continued to be friends and important to each other as filmmakers. At USC film school, Reeves met Brian Burk and introduced him to Abrams; Burk became Abrams' main producer and co-founder of his famous production company Bad Robot. Abrams produced Reeves' first feature film (and then produced his second 12 years later). They created the show "Felicity" together, Abrams' first dive into TV. So how come J. J. Abrams is so well known and Matt Reeves, well, not so much?
          When they started out, Reeves was the director of the duo. Reeves directed and J. J. produced (as Jeffrey Abrams) the 1996 David Schwimmer vehicle "The Pallbearer" (this was the "Friends" era). It's about a guy who is mistaken as the friend of a just deceased former classmate and is asked to be a pallbearer at the guy's funeral (even though he doesn't remember him). He winds up getting romantic with dead guy's overbearing mother, though he really wants Gwyneth Paltrow (wouldn't you?). It's a sweet romantic comedy with just the right touch of melancholy, and Reeves did a good job on his first feature. The movie got some decent reviews (Roger Ebert compared it to "The Graduate":  http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19960503/REVIEWS/605030307/1023 ) but it didn't get noticed at the box office. Needless to say, Schwimmer did not become a movie star and Reeves' career didn't take off.
          Next they tried TV (which would be kismet for Abrams). Together they created and produced the WB show "Felicity" and Reeves directed the first two shows (giving him the distinction of being the first person to ever direct an episode of a J. J. Abrams TV show). "Felicity" did well, lasting 4 years. In the meantime, Abrams created "Alias", which really launched his career in more ways than one. He started his company Bad Robot, grabbed composer Michael Giacchino and never looked back. "Alias" begat the smash show "Lost". "Alias" made fans of Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise, the latter hiring Abrams to direct his first feature film, the high profile "Mission: Impossible 3" (basically "Alias: the Movie" and featuring Felicity herself, Keri Russell). As a movie director he became the golden boy of Paramount Studios, who handed him the keys to their important "Star Trek" franchise. Meanwhile, his TV empire continued; currently he has on the air "Revolution", Person of Interest" and "Fringe" (until January 18th).
          So what happened to Matt Reeves? Dunno, presumably the classic "development hell". He directed some episodes of TV, but curiously after "Felicity" he never directed one of Abrams shows, even though they would seem to be the kind of shows a director would love to do. Instead they grabbed him for their monster movie "Cloverfield". Conceived by Abrams as an American Godzilla with a twist, it would be the classic "monster destroying a city" but seen through the lens of a camcorder (Abrams would kind of do his own version set in the earlier world of 8 mm with "Super 8"). Abrams has said he chose Reeves to direct it because of his talent for bringing believability to a story (important when the event is supposed to be actually happening on the other end of a camcorder). By then Abrams was known for stories with twists and turns and surprises (exemplified by "Lost"), what he called "mystery box" storytelling (Rod Serling is his personal hero). And the promotion of "Cloverfield" seemed to run with that idea, building curiosity around the movie. The ad campaign (with it's signature image of a decapitated Statue of Liberty) did much to turn "Cloverfield" into a hit and put Matt on the map in 2008, 12 years after "The Pallbearer".
          Reeves was offered the Americanized remake of the Swedish vampire film "Let the Right One In", based on a novel by John Ajvide Lindqvist. Reeves' resulting movie, "Let Me In", has been criticized for just being a copy of a terrific Swedish film (not unlike what happened with the "Girl With the Dragon Tatoo" situation). In fact, Reeves originally turned down the movie for the same reason (it's already a good movie, why redo it?). But after reading the book he felt a personal connection to the story and saw how he could tell it differently. Reeves looks at it this way: "The fun of genre movies is that you can smuggle in something completely real under the surface of the vampire or monster metaphor". Reeves saw it as a coming of age story (and wanted the bullying to be scarier than the vampires), so he told it from the boy's point-of-view in a "Rear Window" approach. Thus some characters in the book and original movie got shortchanged. He got the blessing of the book's author (a "Cloverfield" fan) and made it his own, including references that had stayed with him from his own youth (Reagan's "Evil Empire" speech, the Now and Later candy jingle). In this "Twilight" age when vampires are a dime a dozen (but make a lot more than that at the box office!), Reeves created a powerful film. For those who want to judge Reeves' chops, it's the film to see.
          It's interesting how far Reeves and Abrams have come together, and to note their most recent films are very personal takes on their own adolescence when they first met, but told through fantasy with a nod to the masters of that time. Abrams' "Super 8" (set in 1979) is of course a tribute to Steven Spielberg, who started the two on their professional way. "Let Me In" (set in 1983) reminds me very much of Stephen King (though I'm not an expert on King of horror movies). King himself considered "Let Me In" his favorite movie of 2010 and "the best American horror film in the last 20 years". The book's author considered it worth the double dip, saying it "puts the emotional pressure in different places and stands firmly on it's own legs. Like the Swedish movie it made me cry but not at the same points. (It) is a dark and violent love story, a beautiful piece of cinema and a respectful rendering for which I am grateful". 
          Even with it's low budget, "Let Me In" was a big flop, so it was back to the drawing board for Reeves. He's always seemed to have bad luck getting stuff made (3 films in 17 years), but he seems in demand to develop movies and TV. In 2012 Fox signed him to create some TV. Fox TV chairman Gary Newman sez: "(Reeves) has been one of the top 2 - 3 drama director names every pilot season that every studio goes to with their best projects ...(because) Matt loves developing characters, a form of storytelling that is found more in TV than any other media".
          Fox seems to promote from within, so maybe it's no surprise that when things didn't work out with "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt, Reeves became the frontrunner to direct the sequel. Which is why we're here. Reeves hasn't really generated much enthusiasm as the announced director. A lot of people felt "Rise" was a special film that made POTA a player again, and they're giving it to the guy that made "Cloverfield"?! So what will Reeves bring to the table? Since Reeves was announced Oct. 1st there's been almost nothing about what the sequel will be. Andy Serkis has met with Reeves and seems to like him and his ideas ("Rise" was a big moment for Serkis so I don't think he's going taking the sequel lightly). All we really have to go on are his films and his comments (I've listened to his DVD commentaries and I like the guy). I think he considered "Cloverfield" a technical exersize (important stuff to know if you're going to do a movie with CG apes). "The Pallbearer" and "Let Me In" seem more personal to him. Both are about lonely nebbishes who own Rubik's Cubes and grab for desperate love (whether the mother of a deceased classmate or a vampire). Loneliness and the need for connection seem to be at the core of Reeves' movies thus far. Will Caesar find it's lonely at the top and fall for a human (it certainly would be fun seeing him tackle a Rubik's Cube; maybe Rocket could solve it and hold it up in triumph)?
          Also interesting is that Abrams and Reeves share in common composer Michael Giacchino (main squeeze of Abrams and Pixar, Oscar-winner for "Up"). Probably Giacchino will do the POTA score (here he sez how much he digs Reeves: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/46847 ). We should leave a little wiggle room for the return of Patrick Doyle, but so far there's a new director, new writer, new (human cast), new production designer (James Chinlund, "The Avenger") and new costume designer (Melissa Brunning, Reeves' "Let Me In") so a new composer doesn't seem a stretch. I know Giacchino is an "Apes" fan (he told me he loves all of it, the movies, the TV show, the cartoons), I know that Abrams is an "Apes" fan (here he is with the DVD Caesar head: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/magazine/16wwln_domains.html" ). But is Reeves a fan? In "Let Me In", Owen wears monkey bandages and an astronaut jacket and lives in Los Alamos (birthplace of the atomic bomb). Maybe that's a sign?
           Did they let the right one in? Too soon to tell. But as far as I'm concerned they let an interesting one in, someone who has been around a while and might just be ready to kick some ass. Maybe POTA will be the beneficiary. Could Reeves be the next J. J. Abrams? At the very least it's kind of neat that two friends who met as teens, and worked on Spielberg's own teenage movies together, are now at the helm of the two big sci-fi franchises of the '60's, "Star Trek" and POTA.
         
         
          
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          I didn't really grill him on it but he remembered it.
          I've answered these questions but some of my posts aren't showing up.  : o

        Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:53 PM
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        What did Lee have to say about it when you asked him? Anything insightful? (And there's no sarcasm intended with these questions.)




        In a message dated 1/17/2013 8:05:54 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

        Yes I did.

        From: mlccougar@...
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        My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)





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        Group: potadg Message: 61810 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/18/2013
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          Hey Jeff – I promise we are not moderating your emails.

           

          MIchael

           

          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
          Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 9:23 AM
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          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

           

           

            I didn't really grill him on it but he remembered it.

            I've answered these questions but some of my posts aren't showing up.  : o

           

          Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:53 PM

          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

           

           

          What did Lee have to say about it when you asked him? Anything insightful? (And there's no sarcasm intended with these questions.)




          In a message dated 1/17/2013 8:05:54 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

          Yes I did.

          From: mlccougar@...
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:03 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday




          My question is this: Did he get a chance to ask Lee Delano about the "missing scene" from the episode "The Interrogation"? And if so, did he have any memory of it? (And my guess would be no, because I wouldn't expect someone to remember a small part they had in a TV episode nearly 40 years ago...)


           

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            Thanks! That was awesome.

          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:24 PM
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          POTA fan and possibly the world's funniest human, Dana Gould, joined joined Paul Williams on stage for an apetastic 5 minutes. Enjoy.
           
           
           

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          Group: potadg Message: 61812 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/19/2013
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          Check out www.danagould.com  (under videos) for another clip of Dana dressed as Zaius performing as William Shatner. Make sure you watch the whole thing.  

          From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:38 PM
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            Thanks! That was awesome.

          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:24 PM
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          POTA fan and possibly the world's funniest human, Dana Gould, joined joined Paul Williams on stage for an apetastic 5 minutes. Enjoy.
           
          http://www.danagould.com/video.php
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 61813 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/19/2013
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          Check out www.danagould.com  (under videos) for another clip of Dana dressed as Zaius performing as William Shatner. Make sure you watch the whole thing.   

          From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:38 PM
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            Thanks! That was awesome.

          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:24 PM
          Subject: [PotaDG] Paul Williams Surprised By Zaius

           
          POTA fan and possibly the world's funniest human, Dana Gould, joined joined Paul Williams on stage for an apetastic 5 minutes. Enjoy.
           
          http://www.danagould.com/video.php
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 61814 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/19/2013
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            I check out Facebook when I don't have to sign in. If I do any Facebook activity, Facebook is all over me with promotions and crap. Leave me alone, Facebook!

          From: Dario
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:14 PM
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

           

          Jeff Barkley posted a bunch of pics in the Facebook "planet of the apes forum" group:

          He also provided a bit of commentary.

          Aren't you in that group Michael? Thought you were.

          How about you Jeff? Take the FB plunge yet? Resistance is futile! Even Neil pops in now and then. Come drink the kool-aid with us.  :)

          Dario

          Sent from my iPad

          On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, smwhitty@... wrote:

          Wonderful Jeff!

          Did you get any photos?!?!?!

          Michael
           


          On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

           

            I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
            I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
            Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.


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          Group: potadg Message: 61815 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/19/2013
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            Roger Ebert's Mexico City correspondent wrote this, a look at "Rise of the POTA". Talks about some of the logic problems (and isn't too kind to "Escape" and "Conquest" either). I found this because it was tweeted on Jan. 13 by Mark Bomback, reportedly the current writer of "Dawn of the POTA". Maybe it's encouraging to know that such an article was not only read but tweeted by the writer.
            But the article does make a mistake; those aren't real apes in the opening scene.
           
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             So, does POTA have a shot at coming out on top next time? It'll be in 3D so it won't have to gross with one paw tied behind it's back. What is the competish? No Harry Potters or Pirates this time (and Spielberg pulled his "Robopocalypse" for script repairs) but you still might consider this fast company:
           
           
           May 2 : "Amazing Spiderman 2": Some were underwhelmed by the last entry. But it's got Jamie Foxx as Electro.
           
           May 16: "Godzilla": This had a demo reel at Comic Con and there's excitement for it. A gritty Godzilla.
           May 16: "Ninja Turtles": Choices, choices. I'll pass but this franchise has legs and they are protected by a hard shell.
           
           May 23: "Dawn of the POTA": So far, no challengers.
           
           May 30: "The Good Dinosaur": Pixar and dinosaurs. Who could resist?
           
           
           June 13: "Jurassic Park 4": Universal just announced this. POTA2001 went up against JP3 and they did about the same. The Jaffas wrote this. Traitors!
           
           June 20: "How to Train Your Dragon 2": lots of giant reptiles this summer, including Smaug from "The Hobbit".
           
           June 27: "Transformers 4": Mark Wahlberg returns to franchise sci-fi. Traitor!
           
           
            July 2: "Maleficent": Angelina Jolie as the wicked witch from Disney's "Sleeping Beauty". Tim Burton wanted to direct this. Almost traitor!
           
            July 18: "X-Men: Days of Future Past": The new "X-Men" cast with cameos by the old "X-Men" cast in a alternate reality story directed by original "X-Men" director Bryan Singer. And they're going up against "The Hobbit"? The smackdown weekend so far.
            July 18: "Hobbit 3": Andy Serkis (directing second unit). Weta. All traitors! Against the wall!!
           
            August 1: "Guardians of the Galaxy": Kind of a sci-fi "Avengers" with a talking raccoon. But it's still Marvel Comics. Yet POTA has the "Avengers" production designer.
           
           August 8: The Rock as "Hercules"
           
            OK! Let's do this!!
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 61817 From: Neil Moxham Date: 1/21/2013
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          Sounds like those old guys know what they're talking about, movie-wise!

          Booth must be a considerable age now, it's good to hear he's still active. Last year I got in touch with Big Finish, a British company that specialise in licensed Doctor Who audios. They've done a lot of work in adapting unused TV and stage scripts into audio productions, using the original actors and being as faithful as possible to the source material. They've also branched into other franchises including Stargate SG-1. I know there was talk a while ago of BrokenSea doing an adaptation of the UK POTA stage script but, with all due respect to BrokenSea, I think a company like Big Finish would do a fantastic job on something like this. I suggested to them that the UK had a special appreciation of the POTA TV show and that there might be an audience for the stage script and the numerous unused TV scripts to be adapted, and that the main stars of the show were still around. (Wasn't there an attempt to get original cast members involved in the 'Values' CD?) They naturally said that there would be logistical problems for a small British company hiring American actors, but they did think it was an interesting idea. A long shot perhaps, but it couldn't do any harm for others to get in touch with them:

          http://www.bigfinish.com

          Neil M.


          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." wrote:
          >
          > I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
          > I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
          > Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.
          >
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          Group: potadg Message: 61818 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/21/2013
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            Neil

             

            What a great idea!

             

            Hope they go for it…..

             

            Michael

             

            From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Moxham
            Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2013 6:25 AM
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday

             

             

            Sounds like those old guys know what they're talking about, movie-wise!

            Booth must be a considerable age now, it's good to hear he's still active. Last year I got in touch with Big Finish, a British company that specialise in licensed Doctor Who audios. They've done a lot of work in adapting unused TV and stage scripts into audio productions, using the original actors and being as faithful as possible to the source material. They've also branched into other franchises including Stargate SG-1. I know there was talk a while ago of BrokenSea doing an adaptation of the UK POTA stage script but, with all due respect to BrokenSea, I think a company like Big Finish would do a fantastic job on something like this. I suggested to them that the UK had a special appreciation of the POTA TV show and that there might be an audience for the stage script and the numerous unused TV scripts to be adapted, and that the main stars of the show were still around. (Wasn't there an attempt to get original cast members involved in the 'Values' CD?) They naturally said that there would be logistical problems for a small British company hiring American actors, but they did think it was an interesting idea. A long shot perhaps, but it couldn't do any harm for others to get in touch with them:

            http://www.bigfinish.com

            Neil M.

            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." wrote:
            >
            > I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
            > I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
            > Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.
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            Group: potadg Message: 61819 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2013
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               It "dawned" on me to check up on Al's website and he has indeed been getting all Dawny. Welcome back, Al!
             
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            Group: potadg Message: 61820 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/21/2013
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              Actually I talked to Booth last night. He's going to be 90 in March. He's doing OK, but he's retired. Still voting for the Oscars though.
             

            Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:24 PM
            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Super Show last Sunday

             

            Sounds like those old guys know what they're talking about, movie-wise!

            Booth must be a considerable age now, it's good to hear he's still active. Last year I got in touch with Big Finish, a British company that specialise in licensed Doctor Who audios. They've done a lot of work in adapting unused TV and stage scripts into audio productions, using the original actors and being as faithful as possible to the source material. They've also branched into other franchises including Stargate SG-1. I know there was talk a while ago of BrokenSea doing an adaptation of the UK POTA stage script but, with all due respect to BrokenSea, I think a company like Big Finish would do a fantastic job on something like this. I suggested to them that the UK had a special appreciation of the POTA TV show and that there might be an audience for the stage script and the numerous unused TV scripts to be adapted, and that the main stars of the show were still around. (Wasn't there an attempt to get original cast members involved in the 'Values' CD?) They naturally said that there would be logistical problems for a small British company hiring American actors, but they did think it was an interesting idea. A long shot perhaps, but it couldn't do any harm for others to get in touch with them:

            http://www.bigfinish.com

            Neil M.

            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." wrote:

            >
            > I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the
            Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
            > I asked some of them their thoughts
            on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
            >
            Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.
            >

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            Group: potadg Message: 61821 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/22/2013
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              It hasn't even started filming yet but "Dawn of the POTA" seems to have already entered the culture. Here's one of those "apps for apes" articles with such a title. I thought apes using apps was supposed to be the end for us. Why haven't they taken over yet? (Looks at his watch) How much time has the world got?
             
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            Group: potadg Message: 61822 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/22/2013
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               As Caesar might say: "Nooooo!"

            Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:29 PM
            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] POTA Super Show last Sunday

             

            Wonderful Jeff!

            Did you get any photos?!?!?!

            Michael
             


            On 17/01/2013 1:17 AM Jeff K. wrote:

             

              I went to the collectibles convention last Sunday at the Shrine Auditorium that featured POTA guests. Not really a convention so much as a marketplace. No Q & As or anything, just expensive stuff in a kind of "Ebay Live". But it was good to see some of the POTA folks I've known. Booth Colman, Ron Harper, Bobby Porter, Lou Wagner, Lee Delano, Austin Stoker, H. M. Wynant, France Nuyen were there. Linda Harrison was a no show and Natalie Trundy made a rare convention appearance.
              I asked some of them their thoughts on "Rise of the POTA" and "Argo". None seemed particularly blown away by "Rise". Booth felt it had a good script (but not so much "Argo"; he didn't think the dialogue sounded natural) while Ron sez the ape action was too over the top (ape attacking helicopter, etc.). Bobby Porter loved "Argo", he and John Chambers were working on a movie together when John was involved in the Argo scheme to free hostages. Bobby was a lot of fun. I hadn't seen him since StarCon '96 and he's one of the nicest and most enthusiastic folks you'd want to meet.
              Austin Stoker received a royalty for the "Battle" clip in "Argo" so he wasn't complaining. I asked him what he thought of the remake of the movie he starred in, "Assault on Precinct 13" and he just said they had way to much fire power to make the plot work (the movie in reality would've ended much sooner). Chalk up another one for "over the top". I guess that's what Hollywood does best these days. But it also provides us with terrific actors to talk to. Not a bad way to kick off POTA50.


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            Group: potadg Message: 61823 From: Patrick Date: 1/22/2013
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            Anybody here see The Colbert Report on Monday night? There was a hilarious bit about pendemic-spreading pandas... and Colbert went on to say it'd be Planet of the Apes all over again, but this time with pandas... and this time it'll be on the Earth!

            The pic of one of the POTA orangutans with a panda head... ROTF!

            Patrick
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            Group: potadg Message: 61824 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/24/2013
            Subject: Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!
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              I posted recently about how J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves have been interconnected as friends and filmmakers since they were teens, and are now in charge of two of the big sci-fi properties of all time, "Star Trek" (Abrams) and POTA (Reeves). But hold the phone! Now it's been revealed that Abrams has been signed to direct the next "Star Wars" film as well, for 2015. "Star Wars", "Star Trek", POTA. They certainly evoke memories of an era. These stories created the science fiction franchise as we know it today. Not to mention composer Michael Giacchino, who will probably score all three. Unless John Williams returns, which I doubt (Disney plans a ton of "Star Wars" movies so he might decide to just get off the train now). Abrams' "Star Trek" sequel hits this summer, Reeves' POTA in 2014 and Abrams' "Star Wars" in 2015.
             
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            Subject: Gregory Sierra's Birthday , 1/25/2013, 12:00 am
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            Reminder from:   PotaDG Yahoo! Group
             
            Title:   Gregory Sierra's Birthday
             
            Date:   Friday January 25, 2013
            Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
            Notes:   Happy Birthday Gregory!
            (Verger: Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970))
             
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            Group: potadg Message: 61826 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/24/2013
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            Bill Blake has responded to this only 2 months ago so it seems like he may still be around!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-EOWBN89iw

             

            Unless of course it’s the chap who stole his identity…..  :-0

             

            Michael

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            Group: potadg Message: 61827 From: Chris Hight Date: 1/25/2013
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            That is an amazing Roddy performance.

            --- On Thu, 1/24/13, Sally and Michael <smwhitty@...> wrote:

            From: Sally and Michael <smwhitty@...>
            Subject: [PotaDG] BB
            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Thursday, January 24, 2013, 8:36 PM

             

            Bill Blake has responded to this only 2 months ago so it seems like he may still be around!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-EOWBN89iw

             

            Unless of course it's the chap who stole his identity…..  :-0

             

            Michael

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            Group: potadg Message: 61828 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/25/2013
            Subject: Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!
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              I posted recently about how J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves have been interconnected as friends and filmmakers since they were teens, and are now in charge of two of the big sci-fi properties of all time, "Star Trek" (Abrams) and POTA (Reeves). But hold the phone! Now it's been revealed that Abrams has been signed to direct the next "Star Wars" film as well, for 2015. "Star Wars", "Star Trek", POTA. They certainly evoke memories of an era. These stories created the science fiction franchise as we know it today. Not to mention composer Michael Giacchino, who will probably score all three. Unless John Williams returns, which I doubt (Disney plans a ton of "Star Wars" movies so he might decide to just get off the train now). Abrams' "Star Trek" sequel hits this summer, Reeves' POTA in 2014 and Abrams' "Star Wars" in 2015.
             
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            Group: potadg Message: 61829 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/25/2013
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              Hmmm…I’m sure I read this yesterday?

               

              From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
              Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 8:59 AM
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [PotaDG] Abrams and Reeves - they've got our stuff!

               

               

                I posted recently about how J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves have been interconnected as friends and filmmakers since they were teens, and are now in charge of two of the big sci-fi properties of all time, "Star Trek" (Abrams) and POTA (Reeves). But hold the phone! Now it's been revealed that Abrams has been signed to direct the next "Star Wars" film as well, for 2015. "Star Wars", "Star Trek", POTA. They certainly evoke memories of an era. These stories created the science fiction franchise as we know it today. Not to mention composer Michael Giacchino, who will probably score all three. Unless John Williams returns, which I doubt (Disney plans a ton of "Star Wars" movies so he might decide to just get off the train now). Abrams' "Star Trek" sequel hits this summer, Reeves' POTA in 2014 and Abrams' "Star Wars" in 2015.

               

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              Group: potadg Message: 61830 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/26/2013
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                According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.
               
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 61831 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
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                Did he do THE WALL with Alan Parker?

                 

                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
                Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 1:25 AM
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                 

                 

                  According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.

                 

                 

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                Group: potadg Message: 61832 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
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                  According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.
                 
                 
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                Group: potadg Message: 61833 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
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                  No, sir. That article I linked sez he tried filming the original concerts and it didn't work out. For some reason Parker switched to another D.P. but Seresin continued on with him after. That would've rocked if he did "The Wall".

                Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 PM
                Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                 

                Did he do THE WALL with Alan Parker?

                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
                Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 1:25 AM
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                 

                  According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.

                 

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                Group: potadg Message: 61834 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
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                  Sorry, the internet gods keep double posting me. I guess it's their way of making up for all my posts that didn't show up.

                From: Jeff K.
                Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:25 AM
                Subject: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                 

                  According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.
                 
                 

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                Group: potadg Message: 61835 From: Jeff K. Date: 1/27/2013
                Subject: mwc reviews the "Rise" action figures
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                  As far as I'm concerned, mwctoys is the best figure review site on the net. Maybe that's not saying much, but Michael Crawford has been doing a great job over the years. He's the Roger Ebert of toy reviewers (or substitute the name of your favorite film critic). Here's his reviews of the two "Rise" figures released:
                 
                 
                 
                 And while we're at it, this isn't "Rise" but it's a pretty good James Franco figure:
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                Group: potadg Message: 61836 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
                Subject: Re: "Dawn" of a new look
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                  Jeff,

                   

                  Go to your SENT ITEMS and re-send the ones you are referring to.

                   

                  Michael

                   

                  From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
                  Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 6:18 PM
                  To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                   

                   

                    Sorry, the internet gods keep double posting me. I guess it's their way of making up for all my posts that didn't show up.

                   

                  From: Jeff K.

                  Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:25 AM

                  Subject: [PotaDG] "Dawn" of a new look

                   

                   

                    According to Imdb, the change on "Dawn of the POTA" continues. Michael Seresin will be the director of photography. "Rise" had Andrew Lesnie, who defined the look of WETA movies ("Lord of the Rings", "The Hobbit", "King Kong"). Seresin goes way back, doing Alan Parker movies like "Bugsy Malone" and "Midnight Express" in the '70's. He hasn't really done the blockbuster thing, except for a "Harry Potter" movie. But he is from Wellington, New Zealand, home of WETA. Interestingly, he did a sci-fi movie that comes out this year called "Gravity" (George Clooney, Sandra Bullock) that reportedly has groundbreaking photography simulating, well, gravity.

                   

                   

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                  Group: potadg Message: 61837 From: Sally and Michael Date: 1/27/2013
                  Subject: Re: mwc reviews the "Rise" action figures
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                    I might actually buy these!  At least it won’t take long to collect all the RISE figures!  J

                     

                    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff K.
                    Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 2:04 AM
                    To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [PotaDG] mwc reviews the "Rise" action figures

                     

                     

                      As far as I'm concerned, mwctoys is the best figure review site on the net. Maybe that's not saying much, but Michael Crawford has been doing a great job over the years. He's the Roger Ebert of toy reviewers (or substitute the name of your favorite film critic). Here's his reviews of the two "Rise" figures released:

                     

                     

                     

                     And while we're at it, this isn't "Rise" but it's a pretty good James Franco figure:

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