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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62641 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62642 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62643 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" fan magazine available |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62644 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Leon Shamroy's Birthday, 7/16/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62645 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62646 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The various humans found in POTA series... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62647 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The various humans found in POTA series... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62648 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Trials on the POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62649 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Matt Reeves talks about what's next in the film series... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62650 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62651 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62652 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Composer Michael Giacchino introduces his son, additional cue compos |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62653 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62654 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Composer Michael Giacchino introduces his son, additional cue co |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62655 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62656 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62657 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Bravo to Matt Reeves! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62658 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on Dawn of the Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62659 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62660 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62661 |
From: Dario |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62662 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62663 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62664 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62665 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62666 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62667 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62668 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62669 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62670 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62671 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" and science |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62672 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" and science |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62673 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals, as |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62674 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62675 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes movie props going up on eBay... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62676 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Female roles in "Dawn" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62677 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" director Cornered! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62678 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Series 2 isn't damned ugly |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62679 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62680 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62681 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62682 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62683 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: U.S. fans can still get head |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62684 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62685 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62686 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62687 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: CBS News article on apes vocal capacities |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62688 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Jeff Goldsmith Q&A Podcast with Dawn writer Mark Bomback |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62689 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62690 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Ich bin ein Berliner! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62691 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62692 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62693 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62694 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Jeff Goldsmith Q&A Podcast with Dawn writer Mark Bomback |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62695 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62696 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: CBS News article on apes vocal capacities |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62697 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: $240 million |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62698 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $240 million |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62699 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: What the hell? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62700 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62701 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62702 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: "Apes" #1 on the planet |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62703 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Nice article on the depth of "Dawn" in sci-fi moviedom |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62704 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: POTA films ranked by "bummer endings" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62705 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: And just in case you're really into pugs... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62706 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62707 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62708 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62709 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62710 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62711 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62712 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62713 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62714 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" already doomed to #6 for the summer? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62715 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Dawn |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62716 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62717 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62718 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62719 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Linda Harrison's Birthday, 7/24/2014, 12:00 am |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62720 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62721 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: MacDonald Stearns (Return to the Planet of the Apes) |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62722 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: MacDonald Stearns (Return to the Planet of the Apes) |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62723 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62724 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62725 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: next "Dawn" NECA figures |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62726 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" vs. "Lucy" |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62727 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Taaaaylor? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62728 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: You know... there's GOOD apes product... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62729 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Classic Apes plans |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62730 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: You know... there's GOOD apes product... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62731 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: NECA Classic Apes plans |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62732 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Supes to Nuts |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62733 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: William Creber's Birthday, 7/26/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62734 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62735 |
From: Chris Hight |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62736 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Comic-Con gallery |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62737 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62738 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62739 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Could We Be Getting Another Planet Of The Apes Remake? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62740 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62641 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
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That's fine. The old scores are classics and
totally set up the weirdness of the movies. I just can't get into listening to
them on their own (with certain exceptions; I created a "Best of" collection to
listen to).
I also liked "The Incredibles" and "John Carter"
(an underrated movie). But "Into Darkness" and "Dawn" were
disappointments.
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dawn soundtrack
I like some other Giacchino scores - not the ones you mention; I *really*
liked his James Bond-fueled "The Incredibles" and also his big action score for
"John Carter."
As for the 'noisy' elements of the early Apes scores - I think that's what
primarily attracted me to them - their 'avant-garde' weirdness - it was such an
integral part of creating the "alien world" vibe when watching those early
movies, that although they're not "pleasant" listening, they're extremely
evocative, and indelibly imprinted in my brain as part of the Apes universe,
just as John Williams themes for Star Wars or Jaws were to their respective
films. One of my favorite all-time movie "scores" is the electronic one to
1956's "Forbidden Planet" - just a bunch of weird out-there tonalities.
But with the most recent soundtracks, I never felt like the scores were
absolutely essential to the movies - and that you could easily transpose other
modern composers soundtracks in their place and not miss them. Most especially
with Elfman's 2001 score - which was so bereft of thematic material that it was
pretty strongly derided on its initial release. But even Doyle's and
Giachhino's scores are far more conventional and to my ears, colorless, than any
previous Apes soundtrack - and with Apes - I want the soundtrack to be as bold
and strange as the idea of the Apes are themselves - a truly upside down
world.
And yes, even though I really dislike "The Return of the Planet of the
Apes" cartoon, I too, would like to see a soundtrack collection released - it's
got the sturm and drang that I love.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62642 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
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.html Hey, Jeff - I'm curious to know what tracks you put on your "best of" collection?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62643 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" fan magazine available |
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Saw this in Barnes & Noble yesterday - browsed through it, but didn't purchase - they were asking 14.99 for it. It actually looked really good - with lots of interviews with cast, director, a section on
historical plagues, tons of photos and much more. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62644 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Leon Shamroy's Birthday, 7/16/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Reminder from: |
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PotaDG Yahoo Group |
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| Title: |
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Leon Shamroy's Birthday |
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| Date: |
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Wednesday July 16, 2014 |
| Time: |
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12:00 am
- 12:00 am
(GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
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| Notes: |
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Happy Birthday Leon!
(Cinematographer: Planet of the Apes (1968)) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62645 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
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Ah, I think you've hit upon the problem Jeff - just different tastes in music. My absolute favourite soundtrack music to listen to is the the BBC Radiophonic Workshop stuff from the
1960s (a lot of it used in Doctor Who) - lots of experimental avant-garde noises and tape loops, dripping taps as rhythm, rubber bands, backwards vocals... I can't imagine any modern movie or TV series that would
consider using that stuff today. ---In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote :
I just don't get that. The soundtracks for
"Beneath", Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle" (which I have) are great in the
movies but listening to them on their own they're a bunch of noise (except for
certain tracks). I love Elfman and Doyle as listening experiences. I was kinda
disappointed in Giacchino, even though I'm a big fan ("Lost", "Alias", "Star
Trek", M:I 3, I have all of those). He kind of does the same few themes over and
over. But enough good bits I'll get the CD. I don't do the downloads ("I don't
go in for fads"). I wouldn't be surprised if iTunes is behind the CD delay.
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:54 AM Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dawn soundtrack
I'm not
a soundtrack aficionado but I completely
agree with your take on Apes soundtracks - Doyle and Elfman just don't excite on
isolated listening (sorry Jeff!), not in the way that Goldsmith, Rosenman and
possibly Scott do. I like the cartoon series soundtrack too (by Dean Elliott),
though it's never been issued.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62646 |
From: nlmoxham |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The various humans found in POTA series... |
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Nova in the novel was pretty wild and aggressive, killing the pet monkey, getting jealous of Zira, resenting Ulysse's special treatment. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62647 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The various humans found in POTA series... |
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Thanks for the reminder of Nova's personality in the novel - I probably read it when I was a teenager and haven't perused it since. Sounds like she's more ferocious than
in the movie version. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62648 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Trials on the POTA |
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In the TV episode "The Trap", the gorilla captain, Zako, lets the fugitives go free though he was directly ordered to kill them... It surely couldn't have been
long after those events that the fugitives were spotted again and it would have been known that Zako didn't kill them...
What do you think the repercussions would have been? I'd guess at the very least there would have been a trial with charges of aiding and abbetting, insubordination, and (if The "The Tyrant" is any
indication) "conduct unbecoming an ape"... Do you think he would have served time? Been banished to an outlying/unsettled wilderness? Paid the ultimate price and been executed because he helped known enemies
of the state?<.html<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62649 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Matt Reeves talks about what's next in the film series... |
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Dawn of the Planet of the Apes director teases master plan for future sequels
The latest modern-day Planet of the Apes
sequel takes a major step into the future we know and love from the original film run, and director Matt Reeves has opened up about where he's taking the franchise next.
Reeves chatted with
io9
about the plan going forward in the wake of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
, and revealed they'll be digging deeper into the ape religion and Caesar's role and legacy in the future of the ape society.
Check out some excerpts from the interview below and let us know what you think:
"That's (the ape religion) definitely going to be an aspect of the story. He becomes a very mythic character. And he's the Caesar that shall begin other Caesars. Given that we know the ending of the story and
we know that Caesar has these ties to humans and to apes, and that everything gets really turned upside down by the world of the '68 film …
The question is how do we get there? And this then becomes a generational story. A story of not only Caesar and his family, but his children and how this story continues down that path.
How Caesar becomes the first, truly mythic god-like character for the apes. He's very seminal figure for the apes. The idea, the objective for the story was to being the beginning of that mythic status for him. He
goes from being a kind of revolutionary to a kind of leader to a mythic god …
Now we start to go into this place where self preservation starts to be the order of the day. He knows there's no going back and explaining, 'the apes didn't really mean to attack the humans, they were
misled by a rogue ape.' That's not something you can really explain to a society. And he realizes that now he has to grapple with the reality. He's got pulls in both worlds, this is going to be a very painful
journey for him, and for the apes."
The revitalized Apes
series has become one of the most compelling sci-fi franchises on the market, and it sounds like Reeves has an incredibly compelling vision for where he wants to take it. We loved Dawn
, but we're even more curious to see where it might go next.
Are you intrigued by what Reeves had to say?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62650 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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For years, Hollywood studios have catered to young males in building their summer slates. But as the demo takes fewer trips to the multiplex,
distributors are scrambling amid a 20 percent decline in summer revenue in North America. It's one of the worst year-over-year drops to date, putting increased pressure on global returns.
According to the MPAA, frequent moviegoers between the ages of 18 and 25 plunged 17 percent in 2013, the largest drop of any age bracket, while
those between 12 and 17 fell by 15 percent. Some blame video games, YouTube or a disconnect between studio tastes and what today's kids like. Regardless, in 2007, nearly 65 percent of opening-weekend ticket buyers
for Spider-Man 3 were under 25. This summer, only 51 percent of The Amazing Spider-Man 2's initial audience was 25 and under. Adding to the problem, many male-skewing summer tentpoles are luring fewer females.
That's an issue because the women demo is wielding more influence. Moms and girls helped turn Frozen into one of the biggest successes of all time ($1.27 billion), and they have powered Disney's Maleficent to
nearly $670 million, including $222 million in North America -- more than any other summer film aside from X-Men: Days of Future Past. Fox's The Fault in Our Stars also mobilized younger girls (82 percent of the
opening audience was female; 79 percent was under 25).
By contrast, females made up only 39 percent of Amazing Spider-Man 2's debut audience, compared with 42 percent for 2012's The Amazing Spider-Man
and 46 percent for Spider-Man 3. The same trend applies to Transformers: This summer's Age of Extinction skewed 64 percent male during its first weekend, more than the previous two films, and it played the oldest.
While the Paramount pic is doing huge business overseas, it is destined to be the lowest-grossing Transformers in North America. The same is true for Amazing Spider-Man 2, which has topped out at about $705 million
worldwide, including a franchise-low $201 million domestically.
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, which bowed to a stellar $72.6 million domestically, has bucked the trend in playing younger than its predecessor, even
as it has skewed more male. During opening weekend, 45 percent of moviegoers were under 25, versus 41 percent for 2011's Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Strong reviews helped. Says Rentrak analyst Paul
Dergarabedian, "I don't know if the audience is changing, but the movies that have the ability to rise above the noise will stand out." - See more at:
Box Office Woes: Age and Gender Gap Helping Fuel Summer Decline - Hollywood Reporter
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62651 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
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It's been a while since I watched the episode, but I remember it being a favorite, mainly for the great production values (the destroyed ancient city), the teasing artifacts that could
have led to bigger things had the series continued, and the nice character interaction between Urko and Burke.
I read the plot synopsis over at The Sacred Scrolls site, and - if a trial was indeed ordered for Zako's actions, his defense would have been that he had given his word of honor to Virdon, and that his personal
code of honor would have been broken if he had followed Urko's order. Whether this would have been sufficient for a military tribunal is open to question.
Also, the supposition that there would be a trial is not a sure thing - according to The Sacred Scrolls, there are only two ape laws (that we know of): 1. Ape Shall Not Kill Ape and 2. Humans Shall Never Say No To
An Ape - kind of leaves a large gap in our knowledge of ape law and procedure in general - especially in regards to other apes.
The only instances of Ape justice that are codified are the Ape council held against Cornelius and Zira for heresy, and [SPOILER] Caesar's judgement against Koba at the end of "Dawn". Any
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62652 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Composer Michael Giacchino introduces his son, additional cue compos |
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The score was a family affair, with Giacchino's youngest son Griffith composing a small cue ("Ain't That
a Stinger") which Giacchino conducted and Griffith performed percussion on.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62653 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
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I also have to add there was one moment during the closing credits where I really liked the music - but when I checked the sound track, it happened to be the one track NOT written by
Michael Giacchino, but his son, Griffith - the haunting track "Ain't That A Stinger" I thought was moody and atmospheric, even though the scene it was probably written for (the unused "Warship"
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62654 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Composer Michael Giacchino introduces his son, additional cue co |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62655 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
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One other trial (maybe it's more of an "investigation/interrogation" really) is in the first episode of the TV series when Virdon and Burke are brought before
the High Council for questioning... But then again, that's not really an Ape vs. Ape trial anyway...
In a message dated 7/16/2014 9:52:46 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Also, the supposition that there would be a trial is not a sure thing - according to The Sacred Scrolls,
there are only two ape laws (that we know of): 1. Ape Shall Not Kill Ape and 2. Humans Shall Never Say No To An Ape - kind of leaves a large gap in our knowledge of ape law and procedure in general - especially in
regards to other apes.
The only instances of Ape justice that are codified are the Ape council held against Cornelius and Zira for heresy, and [SPOILER] Caesar's judgement against Koba at the end of "Dawn". Any others
you can think of?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62656 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Trials on the POTA |
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It's never stated if there was a trial or not, but at the end of the episode "The Tyrant", Urko names off some "charges" against Aboro:
"Bribery, corruption, conduct unbecoming an ape"... Now whether or not he was brought to trial I can't say with certainty, but I'd guess there would have been some sort of trial or hearing: I don't
think Urko could just have Aboro imprisoned without going thru some sort of hearing...
And if they intended to have Galen tried or if Urko, as Chief of Security, can just throw the book at him, again I can't say for sure, but in the first episode when Zaius shows up at the jail, they show him (Galen)
with Urko and Zaius... When Zaius shows up he asks what the charges are... I don't recall them right off, but they're something like "Murder of my Lieutenant, treason, aiding in the escape of the two
humans..."
In a message dated 7/16/2014 7:04:24 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
One other trial (maybe it's more of an "investigation/interrogation" really) is in the first
episode of the TV series when Virdon and Burke are brought before the High Council for questioning... But then again, that's not really an Ape vs. Ape trial anyway...
In a message dated 7/16/2014 9:52:46 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Also, the supposition that there would be a trial is not a sure thing - according to The Sacred Scrolls,
there are only two ape laws (that we know of): 1. Ape Shall Not Kill Ape and 2. Humans Shall Never Say No To An Ape - kind of leaves a large gap in our knowledge of ape law and procedure in general - especially in
regards to other apes.
The only instances of Ape justice that are codified are the Ape council held against Cornelius and Zira for heresy, and [SPOILER] Caesar's judgement against Koba at the end of "Dawn". Any others
you can think of?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62657 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Bravo to Matt Reeves! |
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Just saw it again and man it is just as good as I thought it was.
Get to the big screen Mike!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 7:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Bravo to Matt Reeves!
Whitty,
You mean it's better than RISE, right? :)
Anyway, I intend to see DAWN, but as mentioned to Jeff, I might wait until the DVD release: I'm just usually not a big "going to the theater" person...
In a message dated 7/14/2014 9:28:57 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Cougar – it's a whole lot better than DAWN – it's actually good….even great! J
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62658 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Thoughts on Dawn of the Planet of the Apes |
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Oh yeah I reckon so – until it was suddenly canned!
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 7:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Thoughts on Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
This is true about the disc, however since he wrote the two episodes the disc was mentioned in, had Art Wallace been tapped to write more episodes, maybe
references to the disc might have shown up again... (He wrote "Escape From Tomorrow" and "The Gladiators, so the idea of the disc was his "baby"...)
In a message dated 7/14/2014 9:55:53 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
The original had the "disc" but they dropped the ball on that.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62659 |
From: Sally and Michael |
Date: 7/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
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I have a COLLECTIBLES group on Facebook and Tim is a member (as is Chris Sauseville).
I am creating a website and a book.
From:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 7:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] More press for my collection!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62660 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
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Well, I think I told you about my situation as to why I can't/don't Facebook, so my becoming a member of your "Collectibles" group over there is out of the
question at the moment...
That said, I'd like to know more about this book of yours... If you're at liberty to say, how far into it are you (just started? nearing completion?)? Also, do you have any publishers lined up at the present
time? And finally, are you just focusing on the original stuff from the 60s (the soundtrack LP, the cards, and the PLANET novel tie-in) and all the 70s stuff, or will you be delving into items that came later on too?
In a message dated 7/16/2014 11:42:40 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I have a COLLECTIBLES group on Facebook and Tim is a member (as is Chris Sauseville).
I am creating a website and a book.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62661 |
From: Dario |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: More press for my collection! |
.html.html How are those coming along Michael?
Dario
Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2014, at 12:42 AM, "'Sally and Michael' smwhitty@...
[PotaDG]"<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have a COLLECTIBLES group on Facebook and Tim is a member (as is Chris Sauseville).
I am creating a website and a book.
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
[PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 7:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] More press for my collection!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62662 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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I felt the makers of Rise missed a trick by having a very male and macho cast. They had Frieda Pinto reduced to just looking pretty and throwing a few admiring glances at James Franco. Compared, say, to Zira, who
was arguably the second most important character in the original film (certainly in the novel). You'll know better than I whether they've improved things with Dawn - I suspect they have as I've heard a bit
about one human female character.
Of course that's not guaranteed to improve the female audience, but it's possibly a symptom of dumbing down the concept to just battles for dominance between rival armies. What I'm hoping to see in Dawn
this weekend is a montage scene in which Caesar and Koba try out things like taking a bubble bath, getting a tailored suit, go shopping, watch two humans boxing, get a little tipsy on wine, etc.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62663 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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I haven't seen DAWN yet, so I can't comment either way as to whether or not this is true, but in the review of DAWN in the local newspaper it says that Keri Russell
is "given nothing to do..."
I'm sure the others here who have seen it can comment on that (whether it's true or not)....
In a message dated 7/17/2014 6:01:15 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I felt the makers of Rise missed a trick by having a very male and macho cast. They had Frieda Pinto
reduced to just looking pretty and throwing a few admiring glances at James Franco. Compared, say, to Zira, who was arguably the second most important character in the original film (certainly in the novel). You'll
know better than I whether they've improved things with Dawn - I suspect they have as I've heard a bit about one human female character.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62664 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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The reviewer is wrong - Keri Russell has a vital role, playing a doctor who interacts both with the apes, and with an teenage boy - she plays an essential part in several scenes, and
is crucial to the plot. The reviewer is just stoking the flames of hatred... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62665 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
.htmlOK, finished the paperback last night - my thoughts (SPOILERS)
Didn't enjoy it, for several reasons:
1. The author contradicts Flynn's knowledge of the Apes (in "Dawn") - BIG goof.
2. The author spends a lot of time on the bleak pasts of Koba and another murderous character - both of whom he portrays as "anti-heroes"
3. The plot is fairly ridiculous - a group of corporate mercenaries are hunting the apes while all of civilization is collapsing around them, and they're not affected by the chaos?
4. The author betrays a strong self-congratulatory liberal bias throughout the book, portraying all religious people as bigots and corporations as evil. His own blind bigotry and prejudices are obvious and
shallow.
5. Most damning - the subtleties of "Dawn" are completely absent in "Firestorm" - it's just plot, plot, plot, flashbacks, flashbacks, flashbacks, and several random sex-scenes between
characters, all of whom die at the end. Sorry if that spoils it for you, but hey - it's a pretty lousy book. A by-the-numbers mash-up of "Contagion" and "Congo".
Next, I'm going to tackle the tie-in novel to "Dawn" - I'm particularly interested to see if it includes the ending cut from the movie... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62666 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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I didn't realize there was a DAWN tie-in novel... Who's the author?
In a message dated 7/17/2014 8:40:43 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Next, I'm going to tackle the tie-in novel to "Dawn" - I'm particularly interested to see
if it includes the ending cut from the movie...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62667 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
.htmlThe author is Alex Irvine - here's his Wikipedia write-up:
In fact, I was looking for a "Rise" novel tie-in, but surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be one. It would be the first of the Apes movies NOT to have an associated novelization...?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62668 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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That's true, it is the only APES film without a novelization, and others have asked the same question: "Why was there no RISE novel?"
I'm sure a lot of people would be happy if they did one, even now, three years after the film came out...
In a message dated 7/17/2014 8:57:35 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
In fact, I was looking for a "Rise" novel tie-in, but surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be
one. It would be the first of the Apes movies NOT to have an associated novelization...?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62669 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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If the new movies continue to do great guns I'm
sure there will be a RISE novelization (which could hopefully cover up some of
the plotholes). It's just sitting there, waiting to be done. I believe the
novels for "Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle" were released with the TV show, not
with their movies.
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: My Review of PotA:
Firestorm
That's true, it is the only APES film without a novelization,
and others have asked the same question: "Why was there no RISE
novel?"
I'm sure a lot of people would be happy if they did one, even
now, three years after the film came out...
In a message dated
7/17/2014 8:57:35 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
In fact, I was looking for a "Rise" novel tie-in, but
surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be one. It would be the first of the
Apes movies NOT to have an associated
novelization...?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62670 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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I just pulled the novels to look at the publication dates, and you're right - they came years after - with Escape &
Battle published earliest, in 1973, and Conquest coming in 1974 - so
Battle was in theaters when the novel was published, and Escape was published two years after it's theatrical run, and
Conquest published two years after it's run.
By the way - I have the first three Planet of the Apes TV series novelizations, but for some reason, the fourth - "Lord of the Apes" by George Effinger, is commanding much higher prices on the
collector's market, so I haven't picked that one up. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62671 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" and science |
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Here's some scientists dissecting "Dawn of the
POTA":
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62672 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" and science |
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.html Boy - that link is just bringing up gobbledegook on my browser - anyone else having this problem?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62673 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals, as |
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Reception
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Planet of the Apes
(1968) | 89% (47 reviews)
[9] |
| $32,589,624
[10] |
$5.4 million |
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Beneath the Planet of the
Apes | 41% (22 reviews)
[11] |
| $18,999,718
[12] |
$3 million |
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Escape from the
Planet of the Apes | 78% (23 reviews)
[13] |
| $12,348,905
[14] |
$2.5 million |
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Conquest of the
Planet of the Apes | 44% (18 reviews)
[15] |
| $9,700,000
[16] |
$1.8 million |
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Battle for the Planet
of the Apes | 38% (24 reviews)
[17] |
| $8,844,595
[18] |
$1.7 million |
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Planet of the Apes
(2001) | 45% (156 reviews)
[19] |
50 (34 reviews)
[20] |
$362,211,740
[21] |
$100 million | |
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Rise of the Planet of the
Apes | 82% (248 reviews)
[22] |
68 (39 reviews)
[23] |
$481,801,049
[24] |
$93 million
[24] |
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Dawn of the Planet of the
Apes | 91% (182 reviews)
[25] |
79 (48 reviews)
[26] |
$103,400,000
[27] |
$170 million
[27] |
| Total |
$926,495,455 |
$377.4 million
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62674 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "Dawn" bucking the trend among summer movie-goers |
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I tend to agree with the reviewer. Aside from 'playing doctor' in that one scene, she contributes little to the story at hand. It could have been any other human in that one important scene who had medical
skills stepping in to do what she did. Her screen time was only a few minutes here and there and I consider her role minor. I'd say she contributed just a tad more than Frieda Pinto in Rise.
Dario
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62675 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes movie props going up on eBay... |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62676 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Female roles in "Dawn" |
.html[MAJOR SPOILERS] > Actually, she had two major medical scenes - both of which were crucial to the plot - the first when she treats Caesar's wife with the antibiotics, thus cementing the trust between Caesar and the humans, and
the second major sequence when she and the others find Caeser shot and she extracts the bullet and sews him up in his old house. Plus she has several smaller scenes with both Malcolm and his son Alexander - small
but vital in establishing their relationship and their role as the "human" family that's a parallel to Caesar's.
I think this reviewer, like another I read on Slate, is purposely dismissing her contribution and calling for a more "female-centric" movie. Just because Keri Russell isn't a gun-toting maniac,
doesn't mean that her part in the movie is small and "unimportant". She's a skilled, compassionate nurse, who competently does her job, and shows non-preference for both human and ape welfare - I
considered her role, though not the focus, the "heart" of the movie. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62677 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" director Cornered! |
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Back in the '90's before the internet there was
what I consider the first revival of POTA. Adventure did a comics series, I was
part of the fanzine crowd ("Ape Chronicles", "Ape Crazy", "ApesFan"). Big
directors like Oliver Stone and James Cameron were trying to do a movie, books
were being written. The "Behind the POTA" doc came out. Over the decade it
seemed Apes was about to explode. The end result was the Tim Burton movie
and that was that but until then it was a fun ride.
Back then, Zaki Hasan created and co-wrote (and
did some cool cartoons for) the fanzine "Sacred Scrolls". Twenty years
later Zaki has his own blog "Zaki's Corner" (and the "MovieFilm" podcast, a
great listen). He's garnered quite the attention and interviews movie folk
regularly. So it turns out he got an invite to the premiere of "Dawn" and got to
rub elbows with those who are carrying on the tradition of his favorite movie of
all time (POTA68).
And here's his interview with director Matt
Reeves, the Apeiest interview I've seen Reeves give. Reeves talks
about his love for "Beneath", whether or not those "Battle" Easter eggs were
intentional, who replaced his Mego treehouse and whether "Dawn" leads
"literally" to the '68 movie.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62678 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Series 2 isn't damned ugly |
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NECA's "Classic" POTA figures Series 1 will be
arriving soon and Series 2 is firming up. Besides Ursus it looks like we'll
get Zira (or a cross-dressing Cornelius). Who will be Figure # 3?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62679 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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The one for BATTLE was released as a tie-in: It's mentioned in the press book...
In a message dated 7/17/2014 11:08:32 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I believe the novels for "Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle" were released with
the TV show, not with their movies.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62680 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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Yes, "Lord of the Apes" is on the pricier side, but with patience, you'll get one I'm sure... I bought mine off of eBay several years ago: It's not
pristine (but neither are the other three), but it serves its purpose...
In a message dated 7/17/2014 11:21:45 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
By the way - I have the first three Planet of the Apes TV series novelizations, but for some reason, the
fourth - "Lord of the Apes" by George Effinger, is commanding much higher prices on the collector's market, so I haven't picked that one up.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62681 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals |
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That was a pretty interesting chart... I wonder if those totals are just what they made during their initial release(s)? I'd guess they probably made more revenue after
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62682 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Nice chart of the different apes movies, their budget and totals |
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I'm sure they are - studios don't report after-earnings (TV, Video, streaming) so those number represent original box office totals only (and maybe theatrical re-releases).
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62683 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/18/2014 |
| Subject: U.S. fans can still get head |
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The groovy Caesar head that U.K. fans can get
with the complete POTA blu-ray collection this Christmas can also be got by U.S.
fans in a souped up "Dawn" release. More details next weekend at Comic
Con.
"Is this some kind of bust?"
"Yes, it's very impressive. But we're still going
to have to ask you a few questions".
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62684 |
From: munkeyman63au |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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The Beneath novelization was released as a tie-in when the movie came out in Australia according to the Aussie Beneath Press Sheet. Neil
---In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <mlccougar@...> wrote :
The one for BATTLE was released as a tie-in: It's mentioned in the press book...
In a message dated 7/17/2014 11:08:32 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I believe the novels for "Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle" were released with
the TV show, not with their movies.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62685 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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That's interesting... I'd have to dig it out to check, but I don't recall it being mentioned in the US "Beneath" press book... (If anyone here has a US
pressbook for "Beneath" and it's accessible, please check...)
In a message dated 7/19/2014 4:33:11 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
The Beneath novelization was released as a tie-in when the movie came out in Australia according to the
Aussie Beneath Press Sheet.
Neil
---In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <mlccougar@...> wrote :
The one for BATTLE was released as a tie-in: It's mentioned in the press book...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62686 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62687 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: CBS News article on apes vocal capacities |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62688 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Jeff Goldsmith Q&A Podcast with Dawn writer Mark Bomback |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62689 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My Review of PotA: Firestorm |
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Yeah, the "Beneath" novel was current with
the movie in the U.S. too.
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: My Review of PotA:
Firestorm
The Beneath novelization was released as a tie-in when the movie came out in
Australia according to the Aussie Beneath Press Sheet.
Neil
---In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <
mlccougar@...> wrote :
The one for BATTLE was released as a tie-in: It's mentioned
in the press book...
In a message dated 7/17/2014
11:08:32 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I believe the novels for "Escape", "Conquest" and "Battle" were
released with the TV show, not with their
movies.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62690 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Ich bin ein Berliner! |
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This "Dawn" backdrop is a groovy flashback to the
1960s that spawned POTA:
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62691 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn soundtrack |
.htmlHere's another review of the Dawn soundtrack:
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62692 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/19/2014 |
| Subject: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
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Well, I was able to finish the novelization of "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" tonight, and highly recommend it. Not only does it flesh out motivations and thoughts for each character, giving me a
richer understanding behind certain plot developments in the movie, but it also has quite a different ending than the movie - what I suspect was the original ending - and I'm not just talking about the tag with the
warship which was cut (which is indeed here), but also the preceding scenes both between Malcolm and Dreyfus, which plays out differently than the movie - and the final scene between Malcolm and Caesar - also quite
different in tone and ending! Great writing job by Alex Irvine - I highly recommend reading it after you've seen the movie, just to get a glimpse of how the film was originally plotted out. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62693 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
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Thanks, that's interesting. Usually novelizations
are crap.
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] My review of "DotPOTA"
Novelization
Well, I was able to finish the novelization of "Dawn of the Planet of
the Apes" tonight, and highly recommend it. Not only does it flesh out
motivations and thoughts for each character, giving me a richer understanding
behind certain plot developments in the movie, but it also has quite a different
ending than the movie - what I suspect was the original ending - and I'm not
just talking about the tag with the warship which was cut (which is indeed
here), but also the preceding scenes both between Malcolm and Dreyfus, which
plays out differently than the movie - and the final scene between Malcolm and
Caesar - also quite different in tone and ending! Great writing job by
Alex Irvine - I highly recommend reading it after you've seen the movie, just to
get a glimpse of how the film was originally plotted out.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62694 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Jeff Goldsmith Q&A Podcast with Dawn writer Mark Bomback |
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This is great!
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:56 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Jeff Goldsmith Q&A Podcast with Dawn writer
Mark Bomback
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62695 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization |
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I've liked all of the APES novelizations myself... I like BATTLE's novel better than the movie, it's not quite as "light" as the film... (And I know
it'll never happen, they'll just keep re-releasing the Boulle book, but I wish there was a proper novelization of the PLANET film...)
In a message dated 7/20/2014 12:52:16 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thanks, that's interesting. Usually novelizations are crap.
From: bretw1967@... [PotaDG]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] My review of "DotPOTA" Novelization
Well, I was able to finish the novelization of "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" tonight, and highly recommend it. Not only does it flesh out motivations and thoughts for each character, giving me a richer
understanding behind certain plot developments in the movie, but it also has quite a different ending than the movie - what I suspect was the original ending - and I'm not just talking about the tag with the warship
which was cut (which is indeed here), but also the preceding scenes both between Malcolm and Dreyfus, which plays out differently than the movie - and the final scene between Malcolm and Caesar - also quite different in
tone and ending! Great writing job by Alex Irvine - I highly recommend reading it after you've seen the movie, just to get a glimpse of how the film was originally plotted out.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62696 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: CBS News article on apes vocal capacities |
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Re-watching Rise last night before I see Dawn, something that jarred with me was Caesar's voice. It just doesn't seem likely that he would have such a strong voice right from the first moment he
uses it. I suppose also it's the fact that chimps make very high pitched vocal noises that makes Caesar's deep voice seem so implausible. I'm just being picky though, it's a bit less dramatic to imagine
him shouting "NO" or "Caesar is home" in Mickey Mouse's voice.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62697 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: $240 million |
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That's what I will require to destroy those
pictures I have of you. No, that's "Dawn of the POTA" 's worldwide take
after expanding this week. It passed $100 million domestic on
Thursday. It's 2nd weekend it was by far the #1 movie with about $36
million (depending how it does today). Will it be #1 for a third week going up
against Dwayne Johnson in "Hercules"? Reminds me of when "Rise" went up
against "Conan the Barbarian" and handed him his ass. Memories. Week #4 is
probably out of the question because it brings Marvel's "Guardians of the
Galaxy", the summer's last hope.
"Transformers 4" passed $800 million recently
(congrats to our old friend Mark Wahlberg!) but the other big boys are
stuck in the $700 millions. Will "Dawn" catch up?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62698 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $240 million |
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I've been plugging this movie to everyone I can - so hopefully "word of mouth" will keep it on top. Thanks for keeping us up to date on it's domestic and worldwide
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62699 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: What the hell? |
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The new dance craze rises.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62700 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Let the speculation begin! |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62701 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
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.html Oh, and just for the record - I say a great big NO to the "interspecies romance" angle.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62702 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: "Apes" #1 on the planet |
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Let's keep it up!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62703 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Nice article on the depth of "Dawn" in sci-fi moviedom |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62704 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: POTA films ranked by "bummer endings" |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62705 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: And just in case you're really into pugs... |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62706 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
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I'm with you on that...
In a message dated 7/21/2014 4:41:17 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Oh, and just for the record - I say a great big NO to the "interspecies romance" angle.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62707 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Let the speculation begin! |
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Frankly, after reading this guys list - I'm not impressed with ANY of his choices. Time travel? Road movie? It's like he's wanting to throw in any kind of
Hollywood gimmick into the Apes world when what makes "Dawn" such a great movie is its smallness - the character development and small personal moments between the characters, as well as the great action
sequences.
How would I like the next movie to proceed?
Not sure - should time pass? Should it pick up right where it left off? There seems to be a lack of antagonists at the end of "Dawn" - so the writers would have to bring something in (AKA the
Warship) or go in another direction.
It would be nice to jump another 10 years ahead - see Caesar older, revered, but with the Apes beginning to form into their different "caste" systems - with Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas forming a
rudimentary government with Caesar at its head as "Law-Giver" but some primal schisms and prejudices also forming.
I'd also like to see the story expand beyond San Francisco and its environs - perhaps Blue Eyes has set out on his own on horseback, with his own troop of apes in order to explore areas north and eastward.
That way, you could have two stories simultaneously - Caesar dealing with problems at home, and Blue Eyes having conflicts and discoveries elsewhere - leading to another confrontation with humans, and the
commandeering of a nuclear aircraft carrier or submarine. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62708 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
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I'd like to see ape society maybe 10 years after
the something mentioned at the end of "Dawn". The director sez "Dawn" is the
last chance for peace so the next one is the humans under the apes' thumb (but
still speaking). Humanity enslaved with some on the run fighting for their bros.
Would Caesar be able to rule that kind of society (would a technological war
with the humans make him bitter?)? Would the apes have human technological
weapons?
The director said Caesar would become
mythological. Would he become the puppet of those pulling the strings
(orangutans? Maurice?)? I'm not sure that's how audiences would want to see
Caesar but it could make some good points about history. Or maybe Caesar gets
killed in the next one and is turned into a myth by the new regime.
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Let the speculation
begin!
Frankly, after reading this guys list - I'm not impressed with ANY of his
choices. Time travel? Road movie? It's like he's wanting to
throw in any kind of Hollywood gimmick into the Apes world when what makes
"Dawn" such a great movie is its smallness - the character development and small
personal moments between the characters, as well as the great action sequences.
How would I like the next movie to proceed?
Not sure - should time pass? Should it pick up right where it left
off? There seems to be a lack of antagonists at the end of "Dawn" - so the
writers would have to bring something in (AKA the Warship) or go in another
direction.
It would be nice to jump another 10 years ahead - see Caesar older,
revered, but with the Apes beginning to form into their different "caste"
systems - with Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas forming a rudimentary
government with Caesar at its head as "Law-Giver" but some primal schisms and
prejudices also forming.
I'd also like to see the story expand beyond San Francisco and its environs
- perhaps Blue Eyes has set out on his own on horseback, with his own troop of
apes in order to explore areas north and eastward. That way, you could
have two stories simultaneously - Caesar dealing with problems at home, and Blue
Eyes having conflicts and discoveries elsewhere - leading to another
confrontation with humans, and the commandeering of a nuclear aircraft carrier
or submarine.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62709 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
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And either the writer or director said that they'd like to explore the "religion" of the apes in the next film - all part of elevating Caesar to a mythic figure. Curious
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62710 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
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Thinking about the next movie, and what the director/writers want to accomplish as far as storyline - they seem to want to take small steps rather than large, sweeping arcs before bringing it back to the events of
the 1968 film.
So what steps need to be taken from "Dawn" to POTA? Here's what I thought of:
1. There needs to be a nuclear war that devastates large sections of the planet. 2.
Humanity (at least a part of them) need to become mute and savage. 3.
The Apes evolve into a caste system separating the apes into groups of Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas, each with separate duties and powers.
4. The Apes develop a cloistered, tightly-controlled theocracy or religious kritarchy (rule by a panel of judges) with laws and "approved" history based upon "sacred scrolls" written by the
mythological "lawgiver" 5. Apes become agricultural, growing crops and with technology stopped at a pre-industrial revolution level.
6. They seem medicinally somewhat advanced, with brain surgery, and blood transfusions possible, but otherwise stunted, with scientific curiosity (especially with regards to technology and exploration of history)
undermined by threat of heresy.
Anything else?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62711 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: spoilers: Let the speculation begin! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62712 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
.htmlOh, and a couple of other things -
The apes have some sort of hierarchical education and military system, for there are "Doctors" (both scientific and theological?) and military grades (Generals, Lieutenants, etc.) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62713 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
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I think you did a good job of covering a lot of the major things... Offhand, I can't think of anything to add...
I doubt they're going to include the TV series in their storylines, but if they do, then they'd have to show a period of humanity being enslaved...
In a message dated 7/21/2014 11:27:22 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thinking about the next movie, and what the director/writers want to accomplish as far as storyline - they
seem to want to take small steps rather than large, sweeping arcs before bringing it back to the events of the 1968 film.
So what steps need to be taken from "Dawn" to POTA? Here's what I thought of:
1. There needs to be a nuclear war that devastates large sections of the planet.
2. Humanity (at least a part of them) need to become mute and savage.
3. The Apes evolve into a caste system separating the apes into groups of Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas, each with separate duties and powers.
4. The Apes develop a cloistered, tightly-controlled theocracy or religious krita rchy (rule by a panel of judges) with laws and "approved" history based upon "sacred scrolls" written by the
mythological "lawgiver"
5. Apes become agricultural, growing crops and with technology stopped at a pre-industrial revolution level.
6. They seem medicinally somewhat advanced, with brain surgery, and blood transfusions possible, but otherwise stunted, with scientific curiosity (especially with regards to technology and exploration of history)
undermined by threat of heresy.
Anything else?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62714 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/22/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" already doomed to #6 for the summer? |
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"Dawn of the POTA" was only just released and
it's box office future would seem unlimited. And yet...
"Maleficent" just crossed $700 million
worldwide and has joined almost all the big boys in the $700 million ghetto. If
someone handed you $700 million, would you say, "That's ALL?". Probably not. And
yet...
It's getting awfully crowded in the lower east
$700 million. "Transformers 4" seems guaranteed a cool $ billion but other than
that... well, see for yourself:
1. Transdummies 4 - $890 m ww
2. X-Men 5 - $736 m ww
3. Capt. USA 2 - $712 m ww
4. Spidey - $706 m ww
5. Maleficent - $700 m ww
6. insert "Apes" here
7. Godzilla - $491 m ww
It certainly could get interesting if "Dawn"
passed $700 million, but will it? Based on it's performance so far, guesstimates
are in the $600 millionish range. But no one expected "Maleficent" to do that
well, so anything could happen. It didn't help that YOU saw it 12 times.
Who's side are you on?
But barring a miracle, it looks like "Dawn" will
be # 6 for the summer.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62715 |
From: Neil Moxham |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Dawn |
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OK, I saw it last night and I admit it, I quite liked it. Without going into too much detail, I loved the opening imagery/scenery and the ape society that has emerged, I really appreciated that Koba was more than a
one-dimensional bad-guy (after all, even Aldo stopped to help humans wheel their cart. Sorry, 'General Aldo'.), the apes look great (the apes looked good last time close-up, but my problem was with their
movements which looked smooth and unnatural - can't say I noticed it this time, so that's an improvement), and I liked that it was essentially human untrustworthiness yet again that brought everything crashing
down. The battle scene went on a bit, or rather I was feeling a bit sick by then either from the 3D or from something I ate! Ellie is a bit more crucial to the story than Caroline was, in terms of establishing trust,
but also the ape characters get much more time in Dawn than they did in Rise (and virtually all male, but that's understandable in a primitive setting). I was reminded while watching it of Pierre Boulle's
'Planet of the Men' script, which I'll hope to refer to on the wiki when I get around to it, in terms of Taylor's son becoming an ape-hating warrior.
Altogether, I'm impressed. Much better than Rise, in my opinion, and does actually warrant another sequel set in this period. |
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Message: 62716 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Dawn |
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I still haven't seen it, but you wrote a good review anyway...
And whether or not I'll see it in the theater is up in the air, but I will not watch it in 3D...
In a message dated 7/23/2014 3:50:52 AM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
OK, I saw it last night and I admit it, I quite liked it. Without going into too much detail, I loved the
opening imagery/scenery and the ape society that has emerged, I really appreciated that Koba was more than a one-dimensional bad-guy (after all, even Aldo stopped to help humans wheel their cart. Sorry, 'General
Aldo'.), the apes look great (the apes looked good last time close-up, but my problem was with their movements which looked smooth and unnatural - can't say I noticed it this time, so that's an improvement),
and I liked that it was essentially human untrustworthiness yet again that brought everything crashing down. The battle scene went on a bit, or rather I was feeling a bit sick by then either from the 3D or from
something I ate! Ellie is a bit more crucial to the story than Caroline was, in terms of establishing trust, but also the ape characters get much more time in Dawn than they did in Rise (and virtually all male, but th
at's understandable in a primitive setting). I was reminded while watching it of Pierre Boulle's 'Planet of the Men' script, which I'll hope to refer to on the wiki when I get around to it, in terms
of Taylor's son becoming an ape-hating warrior.
Altogether, I'm impressed. Much better than Rise, in my opinion, and does actually warrant another sequel set in this period.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62717 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
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I think somewhere along the lines, it has to be explained that dogs and cats also died by the simian flu, as its too late for it to have occurred by a virus brought back from outer-space.
Al |
From:
mlccougar@... [PotaDG] <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Small steps in the Apes franchise
Sent:
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 10:50:46 AM
I think you did a good job of covering a lot of the major things... Offhand, I can't think of anything to add...
I doubt they're going to include the TV series in their storylines, but if they do, then they'd have to show a period of humanity being enslaved...
In a message dated 7/21/2014 11:27:22 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thinking about the next movie, and what the director/writers want to accomplish as far as storyline - they seem to want to
take small steps rather than large, sweeping arcs before bringing it back to the events of the 1968 film.
So what steps need to be taken from "Dawn" to POTA? Here's what I thought of:
1. There needs to be a nuclear war that devastates large sections of the planet.
2. Humanity (at least a part of them) need to become mute and savage.
3. The Apes evolve into a caste system separating the apes into groups of Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas, each with separate duties and powers.
4. The Apes develop a cloistered, tightly-controlled theocracy or religious krita rchy (rule by a panel of judges) with laws and "approved" history based upon "sacred scrolls" written by the
mythological "lawgiver"
5. Apes become agricultural, growing crops and with technology stopped at a pre-industrial revolution level.
6. They seem medicinally somewhat advanced, with brain surgery, and blood transfusions possible, but otherwise stunted, with scientific curiosity (especially with regards to technology and exploration of history)
undermined by threat of heresy.
Anything else?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62718 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62719 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Linda Harrison's Birthday, 7/24/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Reminder from: |
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PotaDG Yahoo Group |
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Linda Harrison's Birthday |
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Thursday July 24, 2014 |
| Time: |
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12:00 am
- 12:00 am
(GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London
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Happy Birthday Linda!
(Nova: Planet and Beneath) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62720 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
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As far as the Dog & Cat virus which was introduced in "Conquest", I think that the approach dictated in "Dawn" negates that timeline. The new "Caesar"
films have to be considered a separate universe than the original films. Matt Reeves has said that he's "aiming" at the events of the 1968 POTA with "Dawn" and the next one, but I don't
think he feels beholden beyond that to maintain the canon of the original films. which may mean, no mutants, no Alpha/Omega, no events from "Conquest" being a part of this new universe. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62721 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: MacDonald Stearns (Return to the Planet of the Apes) |
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I've been rewatching the animated apes series "Return" on DVD, and noticed, right below the "voice cast" during the closing credits an extraordinary listing:
ANTHROPOLOGICAL DIALOGUE RESEARCHED BY MacDonald Stearns, Ph.D.
UCLA Department of Germanic Languages
Really? A UCLA professor was in charge of researching "ape language" for a low-budget weekly cartoon series? Wonder what he got paid for that gig...
I found one publication for him on Amazon, and it sounds inexpressibly dry:
http://www.amazon.com/MacDonald-Stearns/e/B001KMOO9A
Crimean Gothic: Analysis and Etymology of the Corpus (Studia Linguistica Et Philologica ; V. 6)
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62722 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: MacDonald Stearns (Return to the Planet of the Apes) |
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But his name's MacDonald so he's perfect for
POTA.
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] MacDonald Stearns (Return to the Planet of the
Apes)
I've been rewatching the animated apes series "Return" on DVD, and
noticed, right below the "voice cast" during the closing credits an
extraordinary listing:
ANTHROPOLOGICAL
DIALOGUE RESEARCHED BY
MacDonald Stearns, Ph.D.
UCLA
Department of Germanic Languages
Really? A UCLA professor was in charge of researching "ape
language" for a low-budget weekly cartoon series? Wonder what he got paid
for that gig...
I found one publication for him on Amazon, and it sounds inexpressibly
dry:
http://www.amazon.com/MacDonald-Stearns/e/B001KMOO9A
Crimean Gothic:
Analysis and Etymology of the Corpus (Studia Linguistica Et Philologica ; V.
6)
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62723 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Small steps in the Apes franchise |
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From:
bretw1967@... [PotaDG] <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
Re: [PotaDG] Small steps in the Apes franchise
Sent:
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 12:17:49 AM
As far as the Dog & Cat virus which was introduced in "Conquest", I think that the approach dictated in "Dawn" negates that timeline. The new "Caesar" films have to be considered a
separate universe than the original films. Matt Reeves has said that he's "aiming" at the events of the 1968 POTA with "Dawn" and the next one, but I don't think he feels beholden beyond
that to maintain the canon of the original films. which may mean, no mutants, no Alpha/Omega, no events from "Conquest" being a part of this new universe.
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Message: 62724 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
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I'm with you here... For myself, since their introduction, I said these new films are their own entity/take on the APES name...
In a message dated 7/23/2014 10:56:17 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
As far as the Dog &Cat virus which was introduced in "Conquest", I think that the approach
dictated in "Dawn" negates that timeline. The new "Caesar" films have to be considered a separate universe than the original films.
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Message: 62725 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: next "Dawn" NECA figures |
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Looks like the next wave of "Dawn" figures will
be Luca (a gorilla), and new Caesar and Koba sculpts (now they go and get
GUNS!!!).
Expected to ape-rrive Nov. 30ish.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62726 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" vs. "Lucy" |
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Based on tracking, the experts are predicting
that "Lucy" will conquer the apes this weekend. If "Dawn" can stay on top for
week #3 it will reign as the Weekend King of the summer. They're even predicting
that "Hercules" might beat "Dawn". Is "Dawn" staying #1 a Herculean task?!
Waaaaaaah! If only Ricky would tell Lucy she can't go to the movies. Where's
Ricky when you need him?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62727 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Taaaaylor? |
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San Diego Comic-Con starts today and goes all
weekend. What will they find out there, Doctor? Who knows, but looks like they
may already have found NECA's 3rd figure for Classic Apes Series 2: Taylor (or
is it Vincent Price?).
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62728 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: You know... there's GOOD apes product... |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62729 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/24/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Classic Apes plans |
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Interesting. For Series 2 of their Classic Apes
(hitting in October), NECA is doing Ursus, Zira and the good Dr. Zaius (1968
version; I believe the one in Series 1 is from "Beneath"). Then in November they
have Taylor done Mego-style. What kind of an upside-down toy company is this
where apes are the rulers and men the beasts?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62730 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: You know... there's GOOD apes product... |
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Message: 62731 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: NECA Classic Apes plans |
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The Dr. Zaius in Series 1 is correct for PLANET: He's wearing the "Manhunt" outfit as seen toward the end of the film... If he were in the BENEATH outfit, it
would be elaborate, with all the hieroglyphics on it (on the shoulders, up and down the sleeves...)
In a message dated 7/24/2014 10:50:42 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Interesting. For Series 2 of their Classic Apes (hitting in October), NECA is doing Ursus, Zira and the
good Dr. Zaius (1968 version; I believe the one in Series 1 is from "Beneath").
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62732 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: Supes to Nuts |
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It's Comic-Con weekend so groovy things are being
announced. Among them, there's actually a doc being made about Tim Burton's
aborted "Superman Lives". What does that have to do with anything? Well, shut up
and I'll tell you, smart ass! If the movie had been made, Burton probably
wouldn't have done POTA2001. (he would've been big movied out at just the right
time). Would we have got a better movie, maybe with sequels? And would that have
negated our "Rise" and "Dawn" rebirth? POTA fans know better than to mess with
alternate timelines but who knows about the alternate future?
Burton spent a lot of time developing it
and Warner Bros. decided not to make it, leaving Burton bitter. He said, "I'll
show them! I'll make the best POTA ever!" and the rest is history. So here's the
trailer for the doc, interviewing many of the people who just moved over to
Burton's POTA. What would've happened if Hitler died of cholera as a kid? What
would've happened if Burton didn't make POTA? These are the interesting "what
if" questions of history.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62733 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/25/2014 |
| Subject: William Creber's Birthday, 7/26/2014, 12:00 am |
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William Creber's Birthday |
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Happy Birthday Bill!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62734 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62735 |
From: Chris Hight |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
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At very least I'll buy the first issue.
On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:44 AM, "bretw1967@... [PotaDG]" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Message: 62736 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Comic-Con gallery |
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Check out the apes NECA has on tap, including
Caesar (Roddy) for Classic Series 3!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62737 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2014, 12:00 am |
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Planet of the Apes 2001premier |
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Sunday July 27, 2014 |
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Planet of the Apes (reimagined) premiered on this day in 2001 |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62738 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes 2001premier, 7/27/2014, 12:00 am |
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Planet of the Apes 2001premier |
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Sunday July 27, 2014 |
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Planet of the Apes (reimagined) premiered on this day in 2001 |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 62739 |
From: bretw1967 |
Date: 7/26/2014 |
| Subject: Could We Be Getting Another Planet Of The Apes Remake? |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 62740 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 7/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: COMIC NEWS: Star Trek Meets POTA: The Primate Directive |
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