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In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:01:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

the inhabitants had no way of writing information down and keeping it safe for generations to come to read.

 

They did in the TV show.

They were always stumbling onto a computer

bank or stealing surgery books out of Zaius' library.

Why not some ancient scrolls written by apes or

humans or whoever?  We have the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Aha but that's the TV show where man still spoke English  and the BART train stations still lit up after all those centuries. 

  Bruce

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I never said they were lying. The told the truth as they knew it.
However, the timeframe is at odds with what had been presented before
in Planet & Beneath.

So can you cite any other evidence other than the 500 year timeframe
that directly states there are two timelines?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> You can say the same for religion.
> But I have faith that they weren't lying.
> And that that's how it happened. In
> Timeline One anyway.
>

Kudos for LordTzero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Lord, so it has been estabilished by 'ESCAPE' that it took aprox.
500 years before the Apes could battle the Humans at their own game.

In your opinion, when did the WAR happen in APELINE ONE? 2510 A.C.?
should we consider the Tv SERIES (and the 2503 NY pic) as
*CANON* ?????????????????????????????????

That's the only point is obsessing me now!

T.C.

(have you enjoyed my DATABASE, by the way?)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2006 4:54:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> Exactly the point. They are only repeating what they read not
events that
> they witnessed. Thus, the whole premise that the timeframe was
500 years is
> hearsay at best.
>
>
>
> You can say the same for religion.
> But I have faith that they weren't lying.
> And that that's how it happened. In
> Timeline One anyway.
>

Because in Planet and Beneath it had been thousands of
years and I doubt that the Apes had not changed at all
(much less the style of thier clothes ) over that long
of time.......Caesar started the ball rolling earlier
than originally "planned"......

--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> But how do you know the process was speeded up at
> all?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I think C&Z's coming
> > back in time speed up the whole process......
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________________

But they DID see the rim of the earth melt......

--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> That has exactly been my point. I've never believed
> that C&Z were lying
> in that scene. They are relating what they believe
> to be the truth.
>
> However, since they did not personally witness the
> events they related,
> they are only as good as their source. And since the
> audience did not
> witness those events either, there is no proof they
> happened exactly as
> C&Z had related them.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, e s <e_r_s_1966@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone ever stopped to consider that no lying
> took place, but
> also no actual truths were told. In this day and
> age we are not sure
> of exactly what was in our own history....different
> sources say
> different things...different translations, etc
> etc,,,not to mention
> that when it comes to wars the victors have always
> written the history
> book. It could be that whatever Zira told the
> authoritys and the
> audience were not facts at all but only what Zira
> believed to be facts.
> >
> > Emily
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Why? The uniform of the Roman Centurion stayed vitually unchanged for
almost 1,000 years. Fashions in Acient Egypt stay the same for even
longer. In the end, it is the writer that says what is and isn't in the
fictional universe that they created. Paul Dehn said that it is a
circle. Is there even one line of dialogue in the latter three films
that directly states C&Z created an alternate timeline?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> Because in Planet and Beneath it had been thousands of
> years and I doubt that the Apes had not changed at all
> (much less the style of thier clothes ) over that long
> of time.......Caesar started the ball rolling earlier
> than originally "planned"......
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:

>
> But they DID see the rim of the earth melt......
>

And what does Dr. Milo state about the event, "And the Earth will be
destroyed just as we saw it".

Kudos for LordTzero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Lord, so it has been estabilished by 'ESCAPE' that it took aprox.
500 years before the Apes could battle the Humans at their own game.

In your opinion, when did the WAR happen in APELINE ONE? 2510 A.C.?
should we consider the Tv SERIES (and the 2503 NY pic) as
*CANON* ?????????????????????????????????

That's the only point is obsessing me now!

T.C.

(have you enjoyed my DATABASE, by the way?)








--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 1/8/2006 4:54:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> Exactly  the point. They are only repeating what they read not
events that
> they  witnessed. Thus, the whole premise that the timeframe was
500 years is
> hearsay  at best.
>
>
> 
> You can say the same for religion.
> But I have faith that they weren't lying.
> And that that's how it happened.  In
> Timeline One anyway.
>

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I just noticed that the McDonald from the fourth film is not the same
from the fith. I knew the actor was different, but the character is
his brother.

Does anyone know how Governor Brent and the old McDonald died?


John

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, e s <e_r_s_1966@y...> wrote:

>
> Has anyone ever stopped to consider that no lying took place, but

also no actual truths were told. ....
....It could be that whatever Zira told the authoritys and the
audience were not facts at all but only what Zira believed to be facts.

>
> Emily
>

Hi Emily,

Nice thinking.

Or that what Hasselein recorded was not facts, but what the examiners
wanted others to believe were the facts. Or, that the recording
secretary misread her shorthand when re-reading the transcript. Or
that there was no recording secretary listening to the interrogation
and the examiners got the dates wrong. Or...

Has anyone here ever been asked to remember dates, times, doses, etc,
while under stress? It's really easy to get things completely wrong
and be very sure you are right. It wouldn't be lying, or even
incompetence -- just human (err, ape) error. And, not necessarily
hers, but (as Emily mentioned) the error could have started somewhere
else.

Helen

After the events of the fifth film, it would appear that Taylor would
land on a different earth in the year 3950 and would probably not die.
Would this then mean that the earth would not be destroyed in the
year 3950 under Ceasars rule?


John

You think there will be a sequel to the 2001 version? Walberg is not
the best actor, but he was willing to make the movie. What do you know?


John

I have some I downloaded on my Mac some 7-8 years ago that may no
longer be on the web. Anyone want some? I can .zip it all and post
it on my server.


John

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In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:48:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

(have you enjoyed my DATABASE, by the way?)

 

No

 

 

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In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:48:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

In your opinion, when did the WAR happen in APELINE ONE? 2510

 

Okay, i just check and according to the sacred scrolls,

since that's what they're quoting, it was less than 200 

years to slavery and 300 years to revolution.  So, let's

do the math. 

 

 

 1973

+  10 for the plague to take effect

+ 190

+ 300

--------

  =    In Timeline One the revolution happened in the mid 2470's

 

 

 

 

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Not a chance!!! I think that true ape fans want to see the original
Apes, not the 2001 version. No offense.

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From: johnw_94020 <johnw_94020@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:44:46 -0000
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 2001 Planet of the Apes film

You think there will be a sequel to the 2001 version? Walberg is not
the best actor, but he was willing to make the movie. What do you know?


John








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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/8/06 6:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Kudos for LordTzero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Lord, so it has been estabilished by 'ESCAPE' that it took aprox.
500 years before the Apes could battle the Humans at their own game.

In your opinion, when did the WAR happen in APELINE ONE? 2510 A.C.?
should we consider the Tv SERIES (and the 2503 NY pic) as
*CANON* ?????????????????????????????????

That's the only point is obsessing me now!

T.C.

The TV series would have to be part of the original timeline, pre-PLANET, not post-ESCAPE.

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Paul Dehn said that it is a
circle.

It can still be a circle even if there are two timelines.  Dehn never said it was a singular timeline loop!!!!

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You think there will be a sequel to the 2001 version?

I prey to the Lawgiver, Please.... NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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At least on this we're at 100% agreement.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/8/06 9:09:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> johnw_94020@y... writes:
>
>
> > You think there will be a sequel to the 2001 version?
>
> I prey to the Lawgiver, Please.... NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

Here is Dehn's exact quote. Everyone can decide for themselves what he meant:

 

"The whole thing has become a very logical development in the form of a circle. I have a complete chronology of the time circle mapped out, and when I start a new script, I check every supposition I make against the chart to see if it is correct to use it."

> > 

He also stated in reference to CONQUEST:

 

"While I was out there [in California], Arthur Jacobs said he thought this would be the last so I fitted it together so that it fitted in with the beginning of Apes One, so that the wheel had come full circle and one could stop there quite happily, I think."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/8/06 7:09:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Paul Dehn said that it is a
> > circle.
>
> It can still be a circle even if there are two timelines. Dehn never said it
> was a singular timeline loop!!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

I would like some. Please let me know how to get to your site to
download them.
Thanks
John

In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@y...> wrote:

>
> I have some I downloaded on my Mac some 7-8 years ago that may no
> longer be on the web. Anyone want some? I can .zip it all and post
> it on my server.
>
>
> John
>

John,

Thank you for your kind offer and welcome to the group.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@y...> wrote:
>
> I have some I downloaded on my Mac some 7-8 years ago that may no
> longer be on the web. Anyone want some? I can .zip it all and post
> it on my server.
>
>
> John
>

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: POTA fans, WHERE would you like to spend your Christmas time?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- APELINE I, as a gorilla, killing a lot of Humans, giving them in sacrifice to the Mighty Lawgiver!, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APELINE I, as a Primitive human, with my tribe mates and my dirty but beautiful girlfriend (NOVA's sister?), 0 votes, 0.00%
- APELINE 2, Apes and Humans celebrating all together JESUS and CAESAR, singing and dancing in the Jungle. , 5 votes, 83.33%
- On my ICARUS ship, lost in the space, hoping to find a time warp or a wormhole..., 1 votes, 16.67%
- On POTA III, with my friend ARI... spending the night together... lot of candles., 0 votes, 0.00%



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Thanks Glen. It is a still from a secret project I'm working on.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Great!...I luv it!!!...
>
> G
>

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"While I was out there [in

California], Arthur Jacobs said he thought this would be the last so I fitted it together so that it fitted in with the beginning of Apes One, so that the wheel had come full circle and one could stop there quite happily, I think."



Yeah, stop at APES ONE so there can be no repeat of APES TWO.

Considering the inconsistencies that Dehn still managed to slip into the series, despite his "mapped out chronology," what he once said doesn't hold much weight with me.

His map must have been as good as the map he made for BENEATH, where suddenly Ape City is on the wrong side of NYC.

Dehn wasn't all that smart.

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:35 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Why 'they' are SEQUELS and NOT Prequels (anyway)

You've brought up an interesing point here Bruce. They do never go into
detail about the nuclear war. The Lawgiver calls it 'the vilest war in
human history'. Perhaps some foreign despot (like Saddam) decided to
take advantage of the instability in the US caused by the Ape rebellion
and launched an attack. Or perhaps the US government started using
nuclear weapons domestically as the only way to quell the Ape
rebellion.
Maybe the REVOLUTION comic will answer these questions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> The nuclear war between man and  apes (or man and
> man as well? Too bad they never go into detail about that) 

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From: johnw_94020

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:44 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 2001 Planet of the Apes film

You think there will be a sequel to the 2001 version?  Walberg is not
the best actor, but he was willing to make the movie.  What do you know?


John

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In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:43:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnw_94020@... writes:

Does anyone know how Governor Brent and the old McDonald died? 

 

Old McDonald bought the farm, ee ii ee ii oo.

 

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In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:35:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

His map must have been as good as the map he made for BENEATH, where suddenly Ape City is on the wrong side of NYC.

Dehn wasn't all that smart.

-- Rory

 

We can all blame Dehn for the map he made being about as good as the ones Cornelius draws, but what about the studio.  There's a lot of oversight on major motion pictures.

And on this picture I don't think anyone was looking very closely.  No one from continuity cam over and said, Oh!  Wait a minute.  The actors, or at least the stars challenge scripts all the time, but they didn't.  Sure blame the writer for no having his story taught and seamless.  But You have to blame everyone else on the picture for shooting it before he tightened it up a bit.  The buck doesn't stop with the writer, it starts with him.  It stops with the guys responsible for what ended up on screen, namely the director, and the producer who hired him and gave him free reign.

 

 

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Nothing to really base this on but I get the feeling that the two jobs
were linked. Had to have someone in there that would stop real
scientists, like Cornelius, from discovering the truth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mark reznicek" <markrez@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued by the parallells between Dr. Zaius being both the
Minister Of Science and Keeper Of The Faith (with all the
contradictions those two titles encompass), and the way certain
elements of our current govt. try to propose so-called intelligent
design as "science". Life imitating art, or vice versa?
>
> Mark "new guy" R

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> His map must have been as good as the map he made for BENEATH, where suddenly
> Ape City is on the wrong side of NYC.

He did? Is that in the script?

>
> Dehn wasn't all that smart.
>
> -- Rory
>
Never said he was smart. And he wasn't really an SF writer either. But he did win an Oscar.

Kolp says the old Governor was killed by the bomb. They never say what
happened to the older McDonald.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@y...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how Governor Brent and the old McDonald died?
>
>
> John
>

Not to defend them but Hollywood seemed to have less respect for
continuity in those days. The films were made before the days of
Home Video so I guess they assumed the audience wouldn't remember
details from one film to the next. Also, each film was produced as
if it were the last. There was no advanced planning. They just went
from film to film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> We can all blame Dehn for the map he made being about as good as
the ones
> Cornelius draws, but what about the studio. There's a lot of
oversight on
> major motion pictures.
> And on this picture I don't think anyone was looking very
closely. No one
> from continuity cam over and said, Oh! Wait a minute. The
actors, or at
> least the stars challenge scripts all the time, but they didn't.
Sure blame the
> writer for no having his story taught and seamless. But You have
to blame
> everyone else on the picture for shooting it before he tightened
it up a bit.
> The buck doesn't stop with the writer, it starts with him. It
stops with the
> guys responsible for what ended up on screen, namely the
director, and the
> producer who hired him and gave him free reign.
>

> To sum up, "King Kong" didn't live up to apespectations. So
> expect more "Harry Potter" clones. And LOTS of sequels.

Sad, but true.

For all the rabid Kong fans, I think there are just too many people
like my wife and kids, who never had an iota of interest in the story
(I did take them to see it, but they protested; my wife has always
thought the Kong story was dumb, and she had less than zero interest
in yet another version of it), along with a bunch of people who lost
interest when they heard how long it was.

I loved it. Not a perfect movie, but a great one, for sure. And Kong
himself was just incredible.

Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:48:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> (have you enjoyed my DATABASE, by the way?)
>
>
>
> No
>

You should do it.

movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/apecalypse_now

The best double-crossed POTA timelines ever conceived and written.

LESS than 200? Really? I remember Cornelius told 200.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:48:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> In your opinion, when did the WAR happen in APELINE ONE? 2510
>
>
>
> Okay, i just check and according to the sacred scrolls,
> since that's what they're quoting, it was less than 200
> years to slavery and 300 years to revolution. So, let's
> do the math.
>
>
> 1973
> + 10 for the plague to take effect
> + 190
> + 300
> --------
> = In Timeline One the revolution happened in the mid 2470's
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:43:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> johnw_94020@y... writes:
>
> Does anyone know how Governor Brent and the old McDonald died?
>
>
>
> Old McDonald bought the farm, ee ii ee ii oo.
>

"We were horrified to discover that some hurtful and offensive
combinations are being mapped together. ... We are deeply sorry that
this happened." The company gave no explanation for how the software
program managed to select only films about African-Americans for the
recommendations."

What in the world makes this hurtful and offensive?  A mistake, yeah. 
Hurtful?  Huh?

Helen

Learn more about pitbulls at the official Free Pitbulls, Inc. website:

http://home.earthlink.net/~thepittbull/

 

 

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I'm intrigued by the parallells between Dr. Zaius being both the Minister Of Science and Keeper Of The Faith (with all the contradictions those two titles encompass), and the way certain elements of our current govt. try to propose so-called intelligent design as "science". Life imitating art, or vice versa?

Mark "new guy" R

Yeah, but the problems not apes in this case, but Neanderthal boneheads.

-- Rory
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FROM APECALYPSE NOW:

2030s. Gradually, Humanoid Apes are considered as ideal substitutes
to the late pets and introduced to the masses worldwide. They are
received pretty well. The Date is conjectural. Cornelius's
historical account (see ESCAPE).

2100s Apes are now a very well-estabilished figure in every human
habit. The society around all them is progressing fast-forward a
very advanced model, and there's a positive attitude among people.
It's time for brand-new discoveries and technological innovations.
Mankind has finally reached its climax, the pinnacle of its
conceptual beauty.

2200s. The Humanoid Apes are not yet able to properly speak (except
for some of them reclused into off-limits areas of scientific
research). People start to realize the Apes can all-in-all serve for
a greater purpose, performing simple chores. Gradually Apes
are "switched" from the 'pet' to the 'slave' status towards the end
of the century. Even if nobody has still realized it, 'SIMIUS
ABILIS' is indeed born. Cornelius's historical account (see ESCAPE).

2300s. Humanoid Apes learn to emit sounds. Poeple is now totally Ape-
dependant, and develop a very lazy attitude which eventually will
lead the race to a kind of apathy. The Apes realize their terrible
slavery condition which truly worsens decade by decade. ALDO, a
gorilla, is the first ape to say the word 'NO' to his owners. He
will inspire a consistent band of Apes to insurrect. The revolution
is soon sedated, but its spirit will endure in the many centuries to
come. Apes start to plot against Humans, often deliberately hiding
their much more evolved nature. They also re-arrange abandoned
locations in order to 'elaborate' their complex acts of sabotage.

2420s. World War III breaks out. This incredible conflict would last
almost a century, despite knowing many interruptions and strategical
twists. Humanoid Apes would eventually take the golden chance
against Humans.

2440s. Legions of Humanoid Apes coordinated by a dark, primitive
network of informations, insurrect worldwide. The war is still
imperversing, slaughtering millions of men, and the Apes wisely turn
this tragic situation at their favour. They break the conceptual
chains that made them prisoners in the first place, and escape in
the Outlands, far from the big cities now in flames.

2450s The West Coast, still involved by the conflict, is shaked by
starvation and internal problems. Chaos and anarchy make literally
crumble down every city.

2470s. Some of the main cities of the East Coast are nuked. Proteus,
a young ape, becomes the maximum leader of the Ape revolution,
ruling the sites the Ape created for themselves out of the wreckage.

2504 A.C. New York is wiped-out in a nuclear exchange. Its
destruction signs the end of civilization the way we all know. The
date is conjectural: the infamous New York futuristic pic from one
of the last books is dated back to 2503 (See the TV Series: 'Escape
from Tomorrow'; 'The Legacy'). The Ape insurrection was revealed in
Zira's historical account (see ESCAPE).

2506 A.C. A group of surviving 'Scientists' and civilians affected
by nuclear radiations - under the guide of Commander Mendez - exile
themselves in the underground sites of the bombed-out New York.
Their spawn shows the effect of an unpredictable, deturping
mutation. The Scientists start to manipulate D.N.A. in need to re-
arrange and stabilize the acquired traits, making them advantages
rather than "obstacles" ; after four generations the final result
will eventually be the 'GESALT MIND', a group of telepathic mutants
who started worship the Doomsday Bomb after a while. The date is
conjectural. The Scientists in the episode 'The Legacy' (The Tv
Series) wears an outfit identical to those of the Gesalt Mind
Mutants. So this is an attempt to justify a presumibly consistent
evolutionary 'jump' in the human morphogenetics in such brief amount
of time (aprox. 1400 years). It must have an artificial origin in
order to be plausible, according to my scenario.

2507s. The Planet of the Apes I is born. On the East coast Apes live
in a primitive stadium. On the West coast Humans are treated like
slaves, but they still manage to retain their 'civilized' attributes
despite their masters. Since there's a big 'gap' between the rural
Humans in the Tv Series and the Primitives in PLANET.

2520s. Apes start to build up a very rudimentary "city". Proteus the
hero of the Apes dies. Of course we're talking about the East coast,
where cities were totally wiped-out and Apes found a very
fertile 'scenario' for their totalitarian civilization. The West
coast was less interested by the whirpool of annihilation and
devastation, thus Humans had at least a (liable) chance to start a
process of recovering of some sort, even if always subjugated by the
Apes.

2678 A.C. Ape civilization in strong development, but there are
still several anarchist, undeveloped individuals among them.
Carnivorous humanoid gorillas die in a specific area also featuring
the past remnants of humans from 1978 A.C.

ANY SUGGESTIONS ???????????????????????


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By MARCUS KABEL, AP Business Writer Fri Jan 6, 5:59 PM ET



Human error is to blame for an offensive link at Wal-Mart's Web site that recommended a film about Martin Luther King Jr. to potential buyers of a "Planet of the Apes" DVD, the retail company said Friday.

The mistake resulted from a well-intentioned effort to promote a DVD about the black leader, said Carter Cast, president of walmart.com, the online shopping arm of Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

A business manager had grouped "Martin Luther King: I Have a Dream" with three other black-themed movies and assigned the package an overly broad category of DVD boxed sets, Cast said.

So when an online visitor looked at a listing for the boxed DVD set "Planet of the Apes: The Complete TV Series," the black-themed movies appeared under "similar items."

Cast said the display juxtaposition may have existed for the past year.

Wal-Mart removed the feature from its Web site Thursday after learning of the juxtaposition from reporters. Wal-Mart apologized and shut down indefinitely its entire online system for referring shoppers to other movies.

Cast said there was no racist motivation.

"There was nobody here who maliciously put together that combination," Cast said by phone from walmart.com's headquarters in Brisbane, Calif. "I know the person was well-intended in trying to get the 'I Have a Dream' speech out as a cross-sell."

Walmart.com uses a different system than many other big online vendors to create cross-selling links. Amazon.com, for example, bases recommendations on what a shopper has bought before and what other consumers who buy a certain item also purchased.

Walmart.com manually assigns movies to specific "item display groups," such as science fiction or African-American culture. The company's internally developed software then generates links guiding shoppers to other movies in that group.

Beside the "Apes" boxed set, the King package could have been linked to any of a random selection of other boxed set titles from a group of more than 260, including "Best Of Hitchcock, Vol. 1 (Collector's Series)."

Cast said walmart.com would only start cross-referencing movies again once it has a new system in place to avoid a repeat. That could be a technology more like what Amazon.com uses or another approach, he said.

"We are looking at a bunch of different solutions right now," Cast said.




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In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:34:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

LESS than 200? Really? I remember Cornelius told 200.

 

Watch it again.

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 11:25:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

and the old McDonald  died? 
> 
> Old McDonald bought the farm, ee ii ee ii oo.

 

No Apes on that farm.

Buying the farm is a euphemism for dying.

Maybe some dead apes.

 

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 3:14:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

where do you think the story would have gone?

 

The only place it could go.

Basically a remake of the book.

 

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In a message dated 1/9/2006 3:11:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

with a mutant here and a mutant there

 

Dead mutants.

He bought the farm, remember?

 

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You're no fun at all tonight;-)

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Here a mu-, there a -tant, everywhere a mu-tant...

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Okay, different people have been surmising different things about the
timeline of POTA, and such...Some have questioned when certain events
happened...Here is my take...Before you question me, read it through
because I believe I have substantiated everything from within the
five movies...Have fun, and play nice:

01/14/1972 (from 07/14/1972):
Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart leave Earth for Orion: "In less
than an hour we will finish our sixth month out of Cape
Kennedy…" "We're some three hundred and twenty light years from
earth, on an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the
constellation of Orion… – Taylor POTA

03/14/1972 (from 01/14/1972):
"Skipper" and Brent leave Earth. This date is arrived at under the
assumption that Brent's flight took as long as Taylor's. Since Brent
arrives two months after Taylor, he assumedly left two months after.

06/1972 to 1978:
The plague on dogs and cats; apes taken as pets: "It began in our pre-
history, with the plague that fell upon dogs and cats." "...so,
humans took primitive apes as pets..." – Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA.
This date is arrived at under the assumption that the plague happened
after Brent left, and before apes were taken as pets.

1978 (from 2678):
"…But the artifacts lying here (heart valve, glasses, false teeth and
doll), were found at this level, and date back, oh, seven hundred
years earlier. -- Cornelius POTA

1978 (from 3978):
Apes recognize language: "What is English? I speak the language
taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their
fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of our
ancestors for nearly two thousand years..." "They became responsive
to human speech..." - Cornelius EFTPOTA

2178 (from 1978):
Apes become slaves: "...and in the course of less than two centuries
they had progressed from performing mere tricks to performing
services." - Cornelius EFTPOTA

2478 (from 2178):
Apes revolt: "They became alert to the concept of slavery, and as
their numbers grew, to slavery's antidote, which of course is unity.
Well, at first they began assembling in small groups. They learned
the art of corporate and militant action, they learned to refuse. At
first they just grunted their refusal, but then, on an historic day
which is commemorated by my species and fully documented in the
Sacred Scrolls, there came Aldo. He did not grunt, he articulated.
He spoke a word which had been spoken to him, oh, time without number
by humans. He said, 'No'." "...or, after three more centuries, turn
the tables on their owners..." -- Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA

2478 to 2678:
Nuclear War. This date is arrived at under the assumption that the
war happened after the ape revolt, and before apes began civilization.

2678 (from 3978):
Apes civilization begins: "It was at this level that I discovered
traces of an early ape creature -- a stage of primitive barbarism,
really -- dating back some thirteen hundred years, roughly." --
Cornelius POTA

2778 (from 3978):
Apes reach cultural level: "When were those Sacred Scrolls of yours
written?" -- Taylor. "Twelve hundred years ago." -- Zaius POTA

01/3978 (from 01/21/3979):
Cornelius' first expedition: "You're going back to the Forbidden
Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to the diggings I worked out over
a year ago." – Cornelius POTA

11/25/3978:
Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart crash-land in Forbidden Zone lake.
Taylor, Landon and Dodge begin trek through Forbidden Zone. -- POTA

11/28/3978:
Taylor, Landon and Dodge sight scarecrow, reach jungle/lake and
discover mute human populace. Gorilla hunting party kills Dodge and
takes Taylor and Landon captive: "We have food and water enough for
three days…" "…If there's no life here, we've got just seventy-two
hours to find it…" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at under the
assumption that the two sunsets/sunrises shown constitute the passing
of three days, in whole or in part.

12/19/3978:
Taylor speaks for the first time. -- POTA. This date is arrived at
under the assumption that, on average, it takes three weeks for a
simple gunshot wound to heal.

01/20/3979:
Taylor is brought before the High Tribunal. Zira and Cornelius are
accused of heresy, and help Taylor and Nova escape: "It's been
weeks. What happened?" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at
because, according to the script: "Four weeks and three days, and not
a word from anyone…" – Taylor POTA

01/21/3979:
The next morning, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova meet Cornelius near
the hunting grounds and they head for the Forbidden Zone: "You're
going back to the Forbidden Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to
the diggings I worked out over a year ago." – Cornelius POTA

01/24/3979:
Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova reach the dig site. They
are followed. Taylor escapes with Nova, and they discover the Statue
of Liberty: "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --
POTA

01/25/3979:
As Taylor and Nova ride across the desert, a wall of fire, a
lightning storm and an earthquake appear and then disappear
suddenly. A rock wall appears and Taylor disappears though it, and
then the wall disappears with him. Nova sets out for Ape City to
find Zira.
"Skipper" and Brent crash-land in the Forbidden Zone. Nova rides up,
and she and Brent head for Ape City. -- BTPOTA. This date is arrived
at under the assumption that the sunset/sunrise shown constitutes the
passing of one day, in whole or in part.

01/28/3979:
Nova and Brent arrive at Ape City. Nova and Brent are captured by
gorillas. "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --
POTA

01/29/3979:
The next morning, Nova and Brent escape. During pursuit by gorillas
they hide in the subway ruins of New York City. BTPOTA

01/30/3979:
After sleeping (overnight?), Nova and Brent travel down the subway.
The gorilla war party headed by Ursus ride up over a rise and sees
the ruins of New York City.
The mutants have their ceremony to their "God" -- the Alpha-Omega
nuclear bomb.
Brent and Taylor are induced to fight through telepathy.
The gorillas attack New York City.
Taylor activates the Alpha-Omega bomb, destroying the earth: "But we
saw the earth destroyed…" – Cornelius EFTPOTA. This date is arrived
at under the assumption that Nova and Brent slept and it is the next
day; otherwise, it is still 01/29/3978.

* * *

12/31/1973 (from 01/14/1972):
Cornelius, Zira and Milo crash-land off the coast of Los Angeles.
"Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off the southern California
coast. It was one of two that have been missing in space for over
two years now. To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor..." -
- President of the United States EFTPOTA.
"…the Date Meter…what did it register after Earth's destruction?" –
Hasslein. "Nineteen seventy-three…" -- Zira EFTPOTA. This date is
arrived at because it most closely satisfies both pieces of dialog.

01/01/1974:
Milo is killed: "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them was
killed early this morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo."-- President of
the United States EFTPOTA

01/02/1974 (from 01/01/1974):
Cornelius and Zira are brought before the Presidential Commission: "I
have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will be
presented to the Commission..."-- President of the United States
EFTPOTA

01/03/1974 (from 01/02/1974):
Second Presidential Commission held: "…they will not be required to
appear before the Commission tomorrow…" – Bill Bonds EFTPOTA
Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel; "…they will,
however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…" – Bill Bonds
EFTPOTA

01/04/1974 (from 01/03/1974):
Zira lectures at a "Women's Club", and goes to the museum with
Hasslein: "…Tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area Women's
Club', and later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum of
Natural History'…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Lewis: "…meanwhile, Cornelius
will attend a prizefight…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
Hasslein gets Zira drunk. She tells about the destruction of earth.
Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat. He
orders another Commission.
That evening, the third Presidential Commission held: "…the ape-
onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care, for
interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of Dr.
Otto Hasslein…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA

01/05/1974:
The next morning, Cornelius and Zira are transferred to Camp Eleven.
Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's downfall and
apekind's rise. Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the treatment
of humans at the hands of apes. -- EFTOTA
Fourth Presidential Commission held: "…the Commission unanimously
recommends that the birth of the female ape's unborn child should be
prevented; and that, after its prenatal removal, both the male and
the female should humanely be rendered incapable of bearing
another…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills their
orderly and they escape. Zira begins labor.
Stevie brings Cornelius and Zira to "Armando's Circus". EFTPOTA

01/06/1974:
The next morning, Milo is born. This date is arrived at because
there is no way to gauge the length of time Zira is in labor.

01/07/1974:
Hasslein orders an intensified search for Cornelius and Zira: "…I
want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every zoo,
every menagerie, every circus…" – Hasslein EFTPOTA
That evening, Stevie and Lewis help Cornelius and Zira hide in a
derelict shipyard. EFTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there
is no way to gauge the length of time Cornelius, Zira and Milo stay
at the circus.

01/08/1974:
The next morning, Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira on the
derelict ship.
Zira is shot by Hasslein; Cornelius shoots Hasslein, then is shot
himself by a policeman. – EFTPOTA

02/07/1974 (from 01/07/1974):
Armando packs up his circus: "…In a month, in just one month, we move
on to our winter quarters in Florida…" – Armando EFTPOTA
Milo, whom Zira switched with another baby chimpanzee, survives --
EFTPOTA.

1983 (from 1991):
Plague on dogs and cats: "They all died within a few months, eight
years ago, every dog and cat in the world. It was like a plague..." -
- Armando COTPOTA

12/31/1991:
Armando and Caesar arrive at a North American metropolis: "…After
twenty years you've picked-up evolved habits from me…" – Armando
COTPOTA
Caesar sees apes are slaves, and after an outburst, runs off and
Armando is arrested.
That night, while Armando is being interrogated, Caesar enters an
incoming shipment of orangutans. -- COTPOTA. This date is arrived at
because it most closely satisfies both the opening super and the
dialog.

01/01/1991:
The next morning, Caesar begins his slave training. -- COTPOTA

01/03/1991:
Caesar is sold to Breck.
That night, Armando falls to his death during his interrogation. --
COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
the length of time Caesar is in training before he is sold.

01/04/1991:
The next morning, Caesar instigates apes to rebel; and begins to
gather confederate apes, arms and explosives. -- COTPOTA.

01/11/1991:
Kolp realizes that the shipment Caesar came in should have no
chimpanzees. Breck orders Caesar brought in.
Caesar is interrogated in a torture device: "Have pity." -- Caesar
COTPOTA.
Kolp suggests that Caesar be electrocuted.
MacDonald saves Caesar, and escaping, he begins the ape revolution. –
COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
the length of time Caesar prepares for the revolt.

2006 (from 2018):
Nuclear War: "...the surface of the world was ravaged by the vilest
war in human history. The great cities of the world split asunder
and were flattened..." -- Lawgiver. "If we shoot, we break twelve
years of peace." -- Mendez I BFTPOTA

First day 2018 (from 1991):
Caesar rules a community of apes and humans.
MacDonald tells Caesar that in the archives of the dead city are
tapes of his mother and father.
That evening, Caesar, MacDonald and Virgil get armaments from
Mandemus.
"This armory has been my home for twenty-seven years." - Mandemus
BFTPOTA

Fourth day 2018:
Three days later, Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald arrive at the dead
city. "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA.
Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald get into and out of the archives,
discovering that in the future apes will destroy the earth. They
also discover that mutants live in the dead city.
Kolp rules the mutants, with Mendez I as an advisor. Kolp decides to
attack Ape City.

Seventh day 2018:
"…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Caesar informs his
people that they should ready for an expected assault from the
mutants.
That night, General Aldo instigates his gorilla troops to take over
Ape City and Caesar. Cornelius, Caesar 's son, overhears this and is
murdered by Aldo. BFTPOTA

Tenth day 2018:
"…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Kolp and his troops
attack Ape City. They are beaten back, Kolp is shot by Aldo.
Alma was instructed by Kolp to launch the Alpha-Omega bomb at Ape
City if he failed to return. Mendez convinces her not to.
Caesar discovers that Aldo murdered Cornelius, and executes him.

2040 (from 2670):
Caesar dies. "...and now some six hundred years after Caesar's
death..." - The Lawgiver BFTPOTA

2670:
The Lawgiver's speech to his class. BFTPOTA

Excellent work! Really... but are you sure about BRENT arriving on
POTA 2 months after Taylor? Is it mentioned in the movie?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> Okay, different people have been surmising different things about
the
> timeline of POTA, and such...Some have questioned when certain
events
> happened...Here is my take...Before you question me, read it
through
> because I believe I have substantiated everything from within the
> five movies...Have fun, and play nice:
>
> 01/14/1972 (from 07/14/1972):
> Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart leave Earth for Orion: "In less
> than an hour we will finish our sixth month out of Cape
> Kennedy…" "We're some three hundred and twenty light years from
> earth, on an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the
> constellation of Orion… – Taylor POTA
>
> 03/14/1972 (from 01/14/1972):
> "Skipper" and Brent leave Earth. This date is arrived at under
the
> assumption that Brent's flight took as long as Taylor's. Since
Brent
> arrives two months after Taylor, he assumedly left two months
after.
>
> 06/1972 to 1978:
> The plague on dogs and cats; apes taken as pets: "It began in our
pre-
> history, with the plague that fell upon dogs and cats." "...so,
> humans took primitive apes as pets..." – Cornelius and Zira
EFTPOTA.
> This date is arrived at under the assumption that the plague
happened
> after Brent left, and before apes were taken as pets.
>
> 1978 (from 2678):
> "…But the artifacts lying here (heart valve, glasses, false teeth
and
> doll), were found at this level, and date back, oh, seven hundred
> years earlier. -- Cornelius POTA
>
> 1978 (from 3978):
> Apes recognize language: "What is English? I speak the language
> taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their
> fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of our
> ancestors for nearly two thousand years..." "They became
responsive
> to human speech..." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
>
> 2178 (from 1978):
> Apes become slaves: "...and in the course of less than two
centuries
> they had progressed from performing mere tricks to performing
> services." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
>
> 2478 (from 2178):
> Apes revolt: "They became alert to the concept of slavery, and as
> their numbers grew, to slavery's antidote, which of course is
unity.
> Well, at first they began assembling in small groups. They
learned
> the art of corporate and militant action, they learned to refuse.
At
> first they just grunted their refusal, but then, on an historic
day
> which is commemorated by my species and fully documented in the
> Sacred Scrolls, there came Aldo. He did not grunt, he
articulated.
> He spoke a word which had been spoken to him, oh, time without
number
> by humans. He said, 'No'." "...or, after three more centuries,
turn
> the tables on their owners..." -- Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA
>
> 2478 to 2678:
> Nuclear War. This date is arrived at under the assumption that
the
> war happened after the ape revolt, and before apes began
civilization.
>
> 2678 (from 3978):
> Apes civilization begins: "It was at this level that I discovered
> traces of an early ape creature -- a stage of primitive barbarism,
> really -- dating back some thirteen hundred years, roughly." --
> Cornelius POTA
>
> 2778 (from 3978):
> Apes reach cultural level: "When were those Sacred Scrolls of
yours
> written?" -- Taylor. "Twelve hundred years ago." -- Zaius POTA
>
> 01/3978 (from 01/21/3979):
> Cornelius' first expedition: "You're going back to the Forbidden
> Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to the diggings I worked out
over
> a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
>
> 11/25/3978:
> Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart crash-land in Forbidden Zone
lake.
> Taylor, Landon and Dodge begin trek through Forbidden Zone. -- POTA
>
> 11/28/3978:
> Taylor, Landon and Dodge sight scarecrow, reach jungle/lake and
> discover mute human populace. Gorilla hunting party kills Dodge
and
> takes Taylor and Landon captive: "We have food and water enough
for
> three days…" "…If there's no life here, we've got just seventy-
two
> hours to find it…" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at under
the
> assumption that the two sunsets/sunrises shown constitute the
passing
> of three days, in whole or in part.
>
> 12/19/3978:
> Taylor speaks for the first time. -- POTA. This date is arrived
at
> under the assumption that, on average, it takes three weeks for a
> simple gunshot wound to heal.
>
> 01/20/3979:
> Taylor is brought before the High Tribunal. Zira and Cornelius
are
> accused of heresy, and help Taylor and Nova escape: "It's been
> weeks. What happened?" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at
> because, according to the script: "Four weeks and three days, and
not
> a word from anyone…" – Taylor POTA
>
> 01/21/3979:
> The next morning, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova meet Cornelius
near
> the hunting grounds and they head for the Forbidden Zone: "You're
> going back to the Forbidden Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to
> the diggings I worked out over a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
>
> 01/24/3979:
> Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova reach the dig site. They
> are followed. Taylor escapes with Nova, and they discover the
Statue
> of Liberty: "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --

> POTA
>
> 01/25/3979:
> As Taylor and Nova ride across the desert, a wall of fire, a
> lightning storm and an earthquake appear and then disappear
> suddenly. A rock wall appears and Taylor disappears though it,
and
> then the wall disappears with him. Nova sets out for Ape City to
> find Zira.
> "Skipper" and Brent crash-land in the Forbidden Zone. Nova rides
up,
> and she and Brent head for Ape City. -- BTPOTA. This date is
arrived
> at under the assumption that the sunset/sunrise shown constitutes
the
> passing of one day, in whole or in part.
>
> 01/28/3979:
> Nova and Brent arrive at Ape City. Nova and Brent are captured by
> gorillas. "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --
> POTA
>
> 01/29/3979:
> The next morning, Nova and Brent escape. During pursuit by
gorillas
> they hide in the subway ruins of New York City. BTPOTA
>
> 01/30/3979:
> After sleeping (overnight?), Nova and Brent travel down the subway.
> The gorilla war party headed by Ursus ride up over a rise and sees
> the ruins of New York City.
> The mutants have their ceremony to their "God" -- the Alpha-Omega
> nuclear bomb.
> Brent and Taylor are induced to fight through telepathy.
> The gorillas attack New York City.
> Taylor activates the Alpha-Omega bomb, destroying the earth: "But
we
> saw the earth destroyed…" – Cornelius EFTPOTA. This date is
arrived
> at under the assumption that Nova and Brent slept and it is the
next
> day; otherwise, it is still 01/29/3978.
>
> * * *
>
> 12/31/1973 (from 01/14/1972):
> Cornelius, Zira and Milo crash-land off the coast of Los Angeles.
> "Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off the southern
California
> coast. It was one of two that have been missing in space for over
> two years now. To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel
Taylor..." -
> - President of the United States EFTPOTA.
> "…the Date Meter…what did it register after Earth's destruction?" –

> Hasslein. "Nineteen seventy-three…" -- Zira EFTPOTA. This date
is
> arrived at because it most closely satisfies both pieces of dialog.
>
> 01/01/1974:
> Milo is killed: "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them was
> killed early this morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo."-- President of
> the United States EFTPOTA
>
> 01/02/1974 (from 01/01/1974):
> Cornelius and Zira are brought before the Presidential
Commission: "I
> have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
> Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will be
> presented to the Commission..."-- President of the United States
> EFTPOTA
>
> 01/03/1974 (from 01/02/1974):
> Second Presidential Commission held: "…they will not be required
to
> appear before the Commission tomorrow…" – Bill Bonds EFTPOTA
> Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel; "…they
will,
> however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…" – Bill Bonds
> EFTPOTA
>
> 01/04/1974 (from 01/03/1974):
> Zira lectures at a "Women's Club", and goes to the museum with
> Hasslein: "…Tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area Women's
> Club', and later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum of
> Natural History'…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Lewis: "…meanwhile, Cornelius
> will attend a prizefight…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> Hasslein gets Zira drunk. She tells about the destruction of
earth.
> Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat. He
> orders another Commission.
> That evening, the third Presidential Commission held: "…the ape-
> onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
> installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care, for
> interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of Dr.
> Otto Hasslein…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
>
> 01/05/1974:
> The next morning, Cornelius and Zira are transferred to Camp
Eleven.
> Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's downfall
and
> apekind's rise. Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the
treatment
> of humans at the hands of apes. -- EFTOTA
> Fourth Presidential Commission held: "…the Commission unanimously
> recommends that the birth of the female ape's unborn child should
be
> prevented; and that, after its prenatal removal, both the male and
> the female should humanely be rendered incapable of bearing
> another…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills
their
> orderly and they escape. Zira begins labor.
> Stevie brings Cornelius and Zira to "Armando's Circus". EFTPOTA
>
> 01/06/1974:
> The next morning, Milo is born. This date is arrived at because
> there is no way to gauge the length of time Zira is in labor.
>
> 01/07/1974:
> Hasslein orders an intensified search for Cornelius and Zira: "…I
> want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every zoo,
> every menagerie, every circus…" – Hasslein EFTPOTA
> That evening, Stevie and Lewis help Cornelius and Zira hide in a
> derelict shipyard. EFTPOTA. This date is arrived at because
there
> is no way to gauge the length of time Cornelius, Zira and Milo
stay
> at the circus.
>
> 01/08/1974:
> The next morning, Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira on the
> derelict ship.
> Zira is shot by Hasslein; Cornelius shoots Hasslein, then is shot
> himself by a policeman. – EFTPOTA
>
> 02/07/1974 (from 01/07/1974):
> Armando packs up his circus: "…In a month, in just one month, we
move
> on to our winter quarters in Florida…" – Armando EFTPOTA
> Milo, whom Zira switched with another baby chimpanzee, survives --
> EFTPOTA.
>
> 1983 (from 1991):
> Plague on dogs and cats: "They all died within a few months, eight
> years ago, every dog and cat in the world. It was like a
plague..." -
> - Armando COTPOTA
>
> 12/31/1991:
> Armando and Caesar arrive at a North American metropolis: "…After
> twenty years you've picked-up evolved habits from me…" – Armando
> COTPOTA
> Caesar sees apes are slaves, and after an outburst, runs off and
> Armando is arrested.
> That night, while Armando is being interrogated, Caesar enters an
> incoming shipment of orangutans. -- COTPOTA. This date is arrived
at
> because it most closely satisfies both the opening super and the
> dialog.
>
> 01/01/1991:
> The next morning, Caesar begins his slave training. -- COTPOTA
>
> 01/03/1991:
> Caesar is sold to Breck.
> That night, Armando falls to his death during his interrogation. --

> COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
> the length of time Caesar is in training before he is sold.
>
> 01/04/1991:
> The next morning, Caesar instigates apes to rebel; and begins to
> gather confederate apes, arms and explosives. -- COTPOTA.
>
> 01/11/1991:
> Kolp realizes that the shipment Caesar came in should have no
> chimpanzees. Breck orders Caesar brought in.
> Caesar is interrogated in a torture device: "Have pity." -- Caesar
> COTPOTA.
> Kolp suggests that Caesar be electrocuted.
> MacDonald saves Caesar, and escaping, he begins the ape
revolution. –
> COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
> the length of time Caesar prepares for the revolt.
>
> 2006 (from 2018):
> Nuclear War: "...the surface of the world was ravaged by the
vilest
> war in human history. The great cities of the world split asunder
> and were flattened..." -- Lawgiver. "If we shoot, we break twelve
> years of peace." -- Mendez I BFTPOTA
>
> First day 2018 (from 1991):
> Caesar rules a community of apes and humans.
> MacDonald tells Caesar that in the archives of the dead city are
> tapes of his mother and father.
> That evening, Caesar, MacDonald and Virgil get armaments from
> Mandemus.
> "This armory has been my home for twenty-seven years." - Mandemus
> BFTPOTA
>
> Fourth day 2018:
> Three days later, Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald arrive at the dead
> city. "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA.
> Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald get into and out of the archives,
> discovering that in the future apes will destroy the earth. They
> also discover that mutants live in the dead city.
> Kolp rules the mutants, with Mendez I as an advisor. Kolp decides
to
> attack Ape City.
>
> Seventh day 2018:
> "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Caesar informs his
> people that they should ready for an expected assault from the
> mutants.
> That night, General Aldo instigates his gorilla troops to take
over
> Ape City and Caesar. Cornelius, Caesar 's son, overhears this and
is
> murdered by Aldo. BFTPOTA
>
> Tenth day 2018:
> "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Kolp and his
troops
> attack Ape City. They are beaten back, Kolp is shot by Aldo.
> Alma was instructed by Kolp to launch the Alpha-Omega bomb at Ape
> City if he failed to return. Mendez convinces her not to.
> Caesar discovers that Aldo murdered Cornelius, and executes him.
>
> 2040 (from 2670):
> Caesar dies. "...and now some six hundred years after Caesar's
> death..." - The Lawgiver BFTPOTA
>
> 2670:
> The Lawgiver's speech to his class. BFTPOTA
>

No, it is not mentioned in the movie -- but, if you follow my logic
of Taylor's adventures you arrive at approximately two months...
No, those parts in my Timeline are not "canon", but IMHO they are
logically developed, close approximations...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:

>
> Excellent work! Really... but are you sure about BRENT arriving on
> POTA 2 months after Taylor? Is it mentioned in the movie?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, different people have been surmising different things about
> the
> > timeline of POTA, and such...Some have questioned when certain
> events
> > happened...Here is my take...Before you question me, read it
> through
> > because I believe I have substantiated everything from within the
> > five movies...Have fun, and play nice:
> >
> > 01/14/1972 (from 07/14/1972):
> > Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart leave Earth for Orion: "In less
> > than an hour we will finish our sixth month out of Cape
> > Kennedy…" "We're some three hundred and twenty light years from
> > earth, on an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the
> > constellation of Orion… – Taylor POTA
> >
> > 03/14/1972 (from 01/14/1972):
> > "Skipper" and Brent leave Earth. This date is arrived at under
> the
> > assumption that Brent's flight took as long as Taylor's. Since
> Brent
> > arrives two months after Taylor, he assumedly left two months
> after.
> >
> > 06/1972 to 1978:
> > The plague on dogs and cats; apes taken as pets: "It began in our
> pre-
> > history, with the plague that fell upon dogs and cats." "...so,
> > humans took primitive apes as pets..." – Cornelius and Zira
> EFTPOTA.
> > This date is arrived at under the assumption that the plague
> happened
> > after Brent left, and before apes were taken as pets.
> >
> > 1978 (from 2678):
> > "…But the artifacts lying here (heart valve, glasses, false teeth
> and
> > doll), were found at this level, and date back, oh, seven hundred
> > years earlier. -- Cornelius POTA
> >
> > 1978 (from 3978):
> > Apes recognize language: "What is English? I speak the language
> > taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their
> > fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of our
> > ancestors for nearly two thousand years..." "They became
> responsive
> > to human speech..." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
> >
> > 2178 (from 1978):
> > Apes become slaves: "...and in the course of less than two
> centuries
> > they had progressed from performing mere tricks to performing
> > services." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
> >
> > 2478 (from 2178):
> > Apes revolt: "They became alert to the concept of slavery, and as
> > their numbers grew, to slavery's antidote, which of course is
> unity.
> > Well, at first they began assembling in small groups. They
> learned
> > the art of corporate and militant action, they learned to

refuse.

> At
> > first they just grunted their refusal, but then, on an historic
> day
> > which is commemorated by my species and fully documented in the
> > Sacred Scrolls, there came Aldo. He did not grunt, he
> articulated.
> > He spoke a word which had been spoken to him, oh, time without
> number
> > by humans. He said, 'No'." "...or, after three more centuries,
> turn
> > the tables on their owners..." -- Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA
> >
> > 2478 to 2678:
> > Nuclear War. This date is arrived at under the assumption that
> the
> > war happened after the ape revolt, and before apes began
> civilization.
> >
> > 2678 (from 3978):
> > Apes civilization begins: "It was at this level that I discovered
> > traces of an early ape creature -- a stage of primitive

barbarism,

> > really -- dating back some thirteen hundred years, roughly." --
> > Cornelius POTA
> >
> > 2778 (from 3978):
> > Apes reach cultural level: "When were those Sacred Scrolls of
> yours
> > written?" -- Taylor. "Twelve hundred years ago." -- Zaius POTA
> >
> > 01/3978 (from 01/21/3979):
> > Cornelius' first expedition: "You're going back to the Forbidden
> > Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to the diggings I worked out
> over
> > a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
> >
> > 11/25/3978:
> > Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart crash-land in Forbidden Zone
> lake.
> > Taylor, Landon and Dodge begin trek through Forbidden Zone. --

POTA

> >
> > 11/28/3978:
> > Taylor, Landon and Dodge sight scarecrow, reach jungle/lake and
> > discover mute human populace. Gorilla hunting party kills Dodge
> and
> > takes Taylor and Landon captive: "We have food and water enough
> for
> > three days…" "…If there's no life here, we've got just seventy-
> two
> > hours to find it…" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at under
> the
> > assumption that the two sunsets/sunrises shown constitute the
> passing
> > of three days, in whole or in part.
> >
> > 12/19/3978:
> > Taylor speaks for the first time. -- POTA. This date is arrived
> at
> > under the assumption that, on average, it takes three weeks for a
> > simple gunshot wound to heal.
> >
> > 01/20/3979:
> > Taylor is brought before the High Tribunal. Zira and Cornelius
> are
> > accused of heresy, and help Taylor and Nova escape: "It's been
> > weeks. What happened?" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at
> > because, according to the script: "Four weeks and three days, and
> not
> > a word from anyone…" – Taylor POTA
> >
> > 01/21/3979:
> > The next morning, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova meet Cornelius
> near
> > the hunting grounds and they head for the Forbidden Zone: "You're
> > going back to the Forbidden Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back

to

> > the diggings I worked out over a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
> >
> > 01/24/3979:
> > Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova reach the dig site.

They

> > are followed. Taylor escapes with Nova, and they discover the
> Statue
> > of Liberty: "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius -

-

>
> > POTA
> >
> > 01/25/3979:
> > As Taylor and Nova ride across the desert, a wall of fire, a
> > lightning storm and an earthquake appear and then disappear
> > suddenly. A rock wall appears and Taylor disappears though it,
> and
> > then the wall disappears with him. Nova sets out for Ape City to
> > find Zira.
> > "Skipper" and Brent crash-land in the Forbidden Zone. Nova rides
> up,
> > and she and Brent head for Ape City. -- BTPOTA. This date is
> arrived
> > at under the assumption that the sunset/sunrise shown constitutes
> the
> > passing of one day, in whole or in part.
> >
> > 01/28/3979:
> > Nova and Brent arrive at Ape City. Nova and Brent are captured

by

> > gorillas. "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --

> > POTA
> >
> > 01/29/3979:
> > The next morning, Nova and Brent escape. During pursuit by
> gorillas
> > they hide in the subway ruins of New York City. BTPOTA
> >
> > 01/30/3979:
> > After sleeping (overnight?), Nova and Brent travel down the

subway.

> > The gorilla war party headed by Ursus ride up over a rise and

sees

> > the ruins of New York City.
> > The mutants have their ceremony to their "God" -- the Alpha-Omega
> > nuclear bomb.
> > Brent and Taylor are induced to fight through telepathy.
> > The gorillas attack New York City.
> > Taylor activates the Alpha-Omega bomb, destroying the earth: "But
> we
> > saw the earth destroyed…" – Cornelius EFTPOTA. This date is
> arrived
> > at under the assumption that Nova and Brent slept and it is the
> next
> > day; otherwise, it is still 01/29/3978.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > 12/31/1973 (from 01/14/1972):
> > Cornelius, Zira and Milo crash-land off the coast of Los Angeles.
> > "Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off the southern
> California
> > coast. It was one of two that have been missing in space for

over

> > two years now. To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel
> Taylor..." -
> > - President of the United States EFTPOTA.
> > "…the Date Meter…what did it register after Earth's

destruction?" –

>
> > Hasslein. "Nineteen seventy-three…" -- Zira EFTPOTA. This date
> is
> > arrived at because it most closely satisfies both pieces of

dialog.

> >
> > 01/01/1974:
> > Milo is killed: "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them was
> > killed early this morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo."-- President

of

> > the United States EFTPOTA
> >
> > 01/02/1974 (from 01/01/1974):
> > Cornelius and Zira are brought before the Presidential
> Commission: "I
> > have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
> > Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will be
> > presented to the Commission..."-- President of the United States
> > EFTPOTA
> >
> > 01/03/1974 (from 01/02/1974):
> > Second Presidential Commission held: "…they will not be required
> to
> > appear before the Commission tomorrow…" – Bill Bonds EFTPOTA
> > Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel; "…they
> will,
> > however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…" – Bill

Bonds

> > EFTPOTA
> >
> > 01/04/1974 (from 01/03/1974):
> > Zira lectures at a "Women's Club", and goes to the museum with
> > Hasslein: "…Tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area Women's
> > Club', and later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum of
> > Natural History'…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> > Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Lewis: "…meanwhile, Cornelius
> > will attend a prizefight…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> > Hasslein gets Zira drunk. She tells about the destruction of
> earth.
> > Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat. He
> > orders another Commission.
> > That evening, the third Presidential Commission held: "…the ape-
> > onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
> > installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care,

for

> > interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of

Dr.

> > Otto Hasslein…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> >
> > 01/05/1974:
> > The next morning, Cornelius and Zira are transferred to Camp
> Eleven.
> > Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's downfall
> and
> > apekind's rise. Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the
> treatment
> > of humans at the hands of apes. -- EFTOTA
> > Fourth Presidential Commission held: "…the Commission unanimously
> > recommends that the birth of the female ape's unborn child should
> be
> > prevented; and that, after its prenatal removal, both the male

and

> > the female should humanely be rendered incapable of bearing
> > another…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> > That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills
> their
> > orderly and they escape. Zira begins labor.
> > Stevie brings Cornelius and Zira to "Armando's Circus". EFTPOTA
> >
> > 01/06/1974:
> > The next morning, Milo is born. This date is arrived at because
> > there is no way to gauge the length of time Zira is in labor.
> >
> > 01/07/1974:
> > Hasslein orders an intensified search for Cornelius and Zira: "…I
> > want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every zoo,
> > every menagerie, every circus…" – Hasslein EFTPOTA
> > That evening, Stevie and Lewis help Cornelius and Zira hide in a
> > derelict shipyard. EFTPOTA. This date is arrived at because
> there
> > is no way to gauge the length of time Cornelius, Zira and Milo
> stay
> > at the circus.
> >
> > 01/08/1974:
> > The next morning, Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira on the
> > derelict ship.
> > Zira is shot by Hasslein; Cornelius shoots Hasslein, then is shot
> > himself by a policeman. – EFTPOTA
> >
> > 02/07/1974 (from 01/07/1974):
> > Armando packs up his circus: "…In a month, in just one month, we
> move
> > on to our winter quarters in Florida…" – Armando EFTPOTA
> > Milo, whom Zira switched with another baby chimpanzee, survives --

> > EFTPOTA.
> >
> > 1983 (from 1991):
> > Plague on dogs and cats: "They all died within a few months,

eight

> > years ago, every dog and cat in the world. It was like a
> plague..." -
> > - Armando COTPOTA
> >
> > 12/31/1991:
> > Armando and Caesar arrive at a North American metropolis: "…

After

> > twenty years you've picked-up evolved habits from me…" – Armando
> > COTPOTA
> > Caesar sees apes are slaves, and after an outburst, runs off and
> > Armando is arrested.
> > That night, while Armando is being interrogated, Caesar enters an
> > incoming shipment of orangutans. -- COTPOTA. This date is

arrived

> at
> > because it most closely satisfies both the opening super and the
> > dialog.
> >
> > 01/01/1991:
> > The next morning, Caesar begins his slave training. -- COTPOTA
> >
> > 01/03/1991:
> > Caesar is sold to Breck.
> > That night, Armando falls to his death during his interrogation. -

-

>
> > COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to

gauge

> > the length of time Caesar is in training before he is sold.
> >
> > 01/04/1991:
> > The next morning, Caesar instigates apes to rebel; and begins to
> > gather confederate apes, arms and explosives. -- COTPOTA.
> >
> > 01/11/1991:
> > Kolp realizes that the shipment Caesar came in should have no
> > chimpanzees. Breck orders Caesar brought in.
> > Caesar is interrogated in a torture device: "Have pity." --

Caesar

> > COTPOTA.
> > Kolp suggests that Caesar be electrocuted.
> > MacDonald saves Caesar, and escaping, he begins the ape
> revolution. –
> > COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to

gauge

> > the length of time Caesar prepares for the revolt.
> >
> > 2006 (from 2018):
> > Nuclear War: "...the surface of the world was ravaged by the
> vilest
> > war in human history. The great cities of the world split

asunder

> > and were flattened..." -- Lawgiver. "If we shoot, we break

twelve

> > years of peace." -- Mendez I BFTPOTA
> >
> > First day 2018 (from 1991):
> > Caesar rules a community of apes and humans.
> > MacDonald tells Caesar that in the archives of the dead city are
> > tapes of his mother and father.
> > That evening, Caesar, MacDonald and Virgil get armaments from
> > Mandemus.
> > "This armory has been my home for twenty-seven years." - Mandemus
> > BFTPOTA
> >
> > Fourth day 2018:
> > Three days later, Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald arrive at the dead
> > city. "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA.
> > Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald get into and out of the archives,
> > discovering that in the future apes will destroy the earth. They
> > also discover that mutants live in the dead city.
> > Kolp rules the mutants, with Mendez I as an advisor. Kolp

decides

> to
> > attack Ape City.
> >
> > Seventh day 2018:
> > "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Caesar informs

his

> > people that they should ready for an expected assault from the
> > mutants.
> > That night, General Aldo instigates his gorilla troops to take
> over
> > Ape City and Caesar. Cornelius, Caesar 's son, overhears this

and

> is
> > murdered by Aldo. BFTPOTA
> >
> > Tenth day 2018:
> > "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Kolp and his
> troops
> > attack Ape City. They are beaten back, Kolp is shot by Aldo.
> > Alma was instructed by Kolp to launch the Alpha-Omega bomb at Ape
> > City if he failed to return. Mendez convinces her not to.
> > Caesar discovers that Aldo murdered Cornelius, and executes him.
> >
> > 2040 (from 2670):
> > Caesar dies. "...and now some six hundred years after Caesar's
> > death..." - The Lawgiver BFTPOTA
> >
> > 2670:
> > The Lawgiver's speech to his class. BFTPOTA
> >
>

In a message dated 1/9/2006 11:25:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

and the old McDonald  died? 
> 
> Old McDonald bought the farm, ee ii ee ii oo.

 

No Apes on that farm.

Buying the farm is a euphemism for dying.

Maybe some dead apes.

 

 

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most complete so far.

 

 

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> Looks like someone needs to make a timeline.
> I for one would love to see it. It would be the
> most complete so far.
>

Okay:

In my scenario, BRENT and SKIPPER lift off in early October 1972,
when ANSA realized that Taylor was DEFINITELY GONE.

Follow me:

2673:6(months of travelling)=3978: x
x= 6x3978:2673= 8.

So it takes aprox. 8/9 months of travelling to 'land' on the Planet
of the Apes at that specific TIME -----> 3978/3979.

Basically, Brent arrived in Mid-August 3979.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> No, it is not mentioned in the movie -- but, if you follow my
logic
> of Taylor's adventures you arrive at approximately two months...
> No, those parts in my Timeline are not "canon", but IMHO they are
> logically developed, close approximations...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Excellent work! Really... but are you sure about BRENT arriving
on
> > POTA 2 months after Taylor? Is it mentioned in the movie?
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, different people have been surmising different things
about
> > the
> > > timeline of POTA, and such...Some have questioned when certain
> > events
> > > happened...Here is my take...Before you question me, read it
> > through
> > > because I believe I have substantiated everything from within
the
> > > five movies...Have fun, and play nice:
> > >
> > > 01/14/1972 (from 07/14/1972):
> > > Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart leave Earth for Orion: "In
less
> > > than an hour we will finish our sixth month out of Cape
> > > Kennedy…" "We're some three hundred and twenty light years
from
> > > earth, on an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the
> > > constellation of Orion… – Taylor POTA
> > >
> > > 03/14/1972 (from 01/14/1972):
> > > "Skipper" and Brent leave Earth. This date is arrived at
under
> > the
> > > assumption that Brent's flight took as long as Taylor's.
Since
> > Brent
> > > arrives two months after Taylor, he assumedly left two months
> > after.
> > >
> > > 06/1972 to 1978:
> > > The plague on dogs and cats; apes taken as pets: "It began in
our
> > pre-
> > > history, with the plague that fell upon dogs and
cats." "...so,
> > > humans took primitive apes as pets..." – Cornelius and Zira
> > EFTPOTA.
> > > This date is arrived at under the assumption that the plague
> > happened
> > > after Brent left, and before apes were taken as pets.
> > >
> > > 1978 (from 2678):
> > > "…But the artifacts lying here (heart valve, glasses, false
teeth
> > and
> > > doll), were found at this level, and date back, oh, seven
hundred
> > > years earlier. -- Cornelius POTA
> > >
> > > 1978 (from 3978):
> > > Apes recognize language: "What is English? I speak the
language
> > > taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their
> > > fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of
our
> > > ancestors for nearly two thousand years..." "They became
> > responsive
> > > to human speech..." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 2178 (from 1978):
> > > Apes become slaves: "...and in the course of less than two
> > centuries
> > > they had progressed from performing mere tricks to performing
> > > services." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 2478 (from 2178):
> > > Apes revolt: "They became alert to the concept of slavery, and
as
> > > their numbers grew, to slavery's antidote, which of course is
> > unity.
> > > Well, at first they began assembling in small groups. They
> > learned
> > > the art of corporate and militant action, they learned to
> refuse.
> > At
> > > first they just grunted their refusal, but then, on an
historic
> > day
> > > which is commemorated by my species and fully documented in
the
> > > Sacred Scrolls, there came Aldo. He did not grunt, he
> > articulated.
> > > He spoke a word which had been spoken to him, oh, time without
> > number
> > > by humans. He said, 'No'." "...or, after three more
centuries,
> > turn
> > > the tables on their owners..." -- Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 2478 to 2678:
> > > Nuclear War. This date is arrived at under the assumption
that
> > the
> > > war happened after the ape revolt, and before apes began
> > civilization.
> > >
> > > 2678 (from 3978):
> > > Apes civilization begins: "It was at this level that I
discovered
> > > traces of an early ape creature -- a stage of primitive
> barbarism,
> > > really -- dating back some thirteen hundred years, roughly." --

> > > Cornelius POTA
> > >
> > > 2778 (from 3978):
> > > Apes reach cultural level: "When were those Sacred Scrolls of
> > yours
> > > written?" -- Taylor. "Twelve hundred years ago." -- Zaius POTA
> > >
> > > 01/3978 (from 01/21/3979):
> > > Cornelius' first expedition: "You're going back to the
Forbidden
> > > Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to the diggings I worked
out
> > over
> > > a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
> > >
> > > 11/25/3978:
> > > Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart crash-land in Forbidden Zone
> > lake.
> > > Taylor, Landon and Dodge begin trek through Forbidden Zone. --
> POTA
> > >
> > > 11/28/3978:
> > > Taylor, Landon and Dodge sight scarecrow, reach jungle/lake
and
> > > discover mute human populace. Gorilla hunting party kills
Dodge
> > and
> > > takes Taylor and Landon captive: "We have food and water
enough
> > for
> > > three days…" "…If there's no life here, we've got just
seventy-
> > two
> > > hours to find it…" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at
under
> > the
> > > assumption that the two sunsets/sunrises shown constitute the
> > passing
> > > of three days, in whole or in part.
> > >
> > > 12/19/3978:
> > > Taylor speaks for the first time. -- POTA. This date is
arrived
> > at
> > > under the assumption that, on average, it takes three weeks
for a
> > > simple gunshot wound to heal.
> > >
> > > 01/20/3979:
> > > Taylor is brought before the High Tribunal. Zira and
Cornelius
> > are
> > > accused of heresy, and help Taylor and Nova escape: "It's been
> > > weeks. What happened?" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived
at
> > > because, according to the script: "Four weeks and three days,
and
> > not
> > > a word from anyone…" – Taylor POTA
> > >
> > > 01/21/3979:
> > > The next morning, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova meet Cornelius
> > near
> > > the hunting grounds and they head for the Forbidden
Zone: "You're
> > > going back to the Forbidden Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going
back
> to
> > > the diggings I worked out over a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
> > >
> > > 01/24/3979:
> > > Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova reach the dig site.
> They
> > > are followed. Taylor escapes with Nova, and they discover the
> > Statue
> > > of Liberty: "It's a three day ride across the desert…"
Cornelius -
> -
> >
> > > POTA
> > >
> > > 01/25/3979:
> > > As Taylor and Nova ride across the desert, a wall of fire, a
> > > lightning storm and an earthquake appear and then disappear
> > > suddenly. A rock wall appears and Taylor disappears though
it,
> > and
> > > then the wall disappears with him. Nova sets out for Ape City
to
> > > find Zira.
> > > "Skipper" and Brent crash-land in the Forbidden Zone. Nova
rides
> > up,
> > > and she and Brent head for Ape City. -- BTPOTA. This date is
> > arrived
> > > at under the assumption that the sunset/sunrise shown
constitutes
> > the
> > > passing of one day, in whole or in part.
> > >
> > > 01/28/3979:
> > > Nova and Brent arrive at Ape City. Nova and Brent are
captured
> by
> > > gorillas. "It's a three day ride across the desert…"
Cornelius --
>
> > > POTA
> > >
> > > 01/29/3979:
> > > The next morning, Nova and Brent escape. During pursuit by
> > gorillas
> > > they hide in the subway ruins of New York City. BTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/30/3979:
> > > After sleeping (overnight?), Nova and Brent travel down the
> subway.
> > > The gorilla war party headed by Ursus ride up over a rise and
> sees
> > > the ruins of New York City.
> > > The mutants have their ceremony to their "God" -- the Alpha-
Omega
> > > nuclear bomb.
> > > Brent and Taylor are induced to fight through telepathy.
> > > The gorillas attack New York City.
> > > Taylor activates the Alpha-Omega bomb, destroying the
earth: "But
> > we
> > > saw the earth destroyed…" – Cornelius EFTPOTA. This date is
> > arrived
> > > at under the assumption that Nova and Brent slept and it is
the
> > next
> > > day; otherwise, it is still 01/29/3978.
> > >
> > > * * *
> > >
> > > 12/31/1973 (from 01/14/1972):
> > > Cornelius, Zira and Milo crash-land off the coast of Los
Angeles.
> > > "Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off the southern
> > California
> > > coast. It was one of two that have been missing in space for
> over
> > > two years now. To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel
> > Taylor..." -
> > > - President of the United States EFTPOTA.
> > > "…the Date Meter…what did it register after Earth's
> destruction?" –
> >
> > > Hasslein. "Nineteen seventy-three…" -- Zira EFTPOTA. This
date
> > is
> > > arrived at because it most closely satisfies both pieces of
> dialog.
> > >
> > > 01/01/1974:
> > > Milo is killed: "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them
was
> > > killed early this morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo."--
President
> of
> > > the United States EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/02/1974 (from 01/01/1974):
> > > Cornelius and Zira are brought before the Presidential
> > Commission: "I
> > > have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
> > > Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will
be
> > > presented to the Commission..."-- President of the United
States
> > > EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/03/1974 (from 01/02/1974):
> > > Second Presidential Commission held: "…they will not be
required
> > to
> > > appear before the Commission tomorrow…" – Bill Bonds EFTPOTA
> > > Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel; "…
they
> > will,
> > > however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…" – Bill
> Bonds
> > > EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/04/1974 (from 01/03/1974):
> > > Zira lectures at a "Women's Club", and goes to the museum with
> > > Hasslein: "…Tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area
Women's
> > > Club', and later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum
of
> > > Natural History'…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> > > Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Lewis: "…meanwhile,
Cornelius
> > > will attend a prizefight…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> > > Hasslein gets Zira drunk. She tells about the destruction of
> > earth.
> > > Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat.
He
> > > orders another Commission.
> > > That evening, the third Presidential Commission held: "…the
ape-
> > > onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
> > > installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care,
> for
> > > interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of
> Dr.
> > > Otto Hasslein…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/05/1974:
> > > The next morning, Cornelius and Zira are transferred to Camp
> > Eleven.
> > > Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's
downfall
> > and
> > > apekind's rise. Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the
> > treatment
> > > of humans at the hands of apes. -- EFTOTA
> > > Fourth Presidential Commission held: "…the Commission
unanimously
> > > recommends that the birth of the female ape's unborn child
should
> > be
> > > prevented; and that, after its prenatal removal, both the male
> and
> > > the female should humanely be rendered incapable of bearing
> > > another…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> > > That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills
> > their
> > > orderly and they escape. Zira begins labor.
> > > Stevie brings Cornelius and Zira to "Armando's Circus".
EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/06/1974:
> > > The next morning, Milo is born. This date is arrived at
because
> > > there is no way to gauge the length of time Zira is in labor.
> > >
> > > 01/07/1974:
> > > Hasslein orders an intensified search for Cornelius and
Zira: "…I
> > > want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every
zoo,
> > > every menagerie, every circus…" – Hasslein EFTPOTA
> > > That evening, Stevie and Lewis help Cornelius and Zira hide in
a
> > > derelict shipyard. EFTPOTA. This date is arrived at because
> > there
> > > is no way to gauge the length of time Cornelius, Zira and Milo
> > stay
> > > at the circus.
> > >
> > > 01/08/1974:
> > > The next morning, Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira on the
> > > derelict ship.
> > > Zira is shot by Hasslein; Cornelius shoots Hasslein, then is
shot
> > > himself by a policeman. – EFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 02/07/1974 (from 01/07/1974):
> > > Armando packs up his circus: "…In a month, in just one month,
we
> > move
> > > on to our winter quarters in Florida…" – Armando EFTPOTA
> > > Milo, whom Zira switched with another baby chimpanzee,
survives --
>
> > > EFTPOTA.
> > >
> > > 1983 (from 1991):
> > > Plague on dogs and cats: "They all died within a few months,
> eight
> > > years ago, every dog and cat in the world. It was like a
> > plague..." -
> > > - Armando COTPOTA
> > >
> > > 12/31/1991:
> > > Armando and Caesar arrive at a North American metropolis: "…
> After
> > > twenty years you've picked-up evolved habits from me…" –
Armando
> > > COTPOTA
> > > Caesar sees apes are slaves, and after an outburst, runs off
and
> > > Armando is arrested.
> > > That night, while Armando is being interrogated, Caesar enters
an
> > > incoming shipment of orangutans. -- COTPOTA. This date is
> arrived
> > at
> > > because it most closely satisfies both the opening super and
the
> > > dialog.
> > >
> > > 01/01/1991:
> > > The next morning, Caesar begins his slave training. -- COTPOTA
> > >
> > > 01/03/1991:
> > > Caesar is sold to Breck.
> > > That night, Armando falls to his death during his
interrogation. -
> -
> >
> > > COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to
> gauge
> > > the length of time Caesar is in training before he is sold.
> > >
> > > 01/04/1991:
> > > The next morning, Caesar instigates apes to rebel; and begins
to
> > > gather confederate apes, arms and explosives. -- COTPOTA.
> > >
> > > 01/11/1991:
> > > Kolp realizes that the shipment Caesar came in should have no
> > > chimpanzees. Breck orders Caesar brought in.
> > > Caesar is interrogated in a torture device: "Have pity." --
> Caesar
> > > COTPOTA.
> > > Kolp suggests that Caesar be electrocuted.
> > > MacDonald saves Caesar, and escaping, he begins the ape
> > revolution. –
> > > COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to
> gauge
> > > the length of time Caesar prepares for the revolt.
> > >
> > > 2006 (from 2018):
> > > Nuclear War: "...the surface of the world was ravaged by the
> > vilest
> > > war in human history. The great cities of the world split
> asunder
> > > and were flattened..." -- Lawgiver. "If we shoot, we break
> twelve
> > > years of peace." -- Mendez I BFTPOTA
> > >
> > > First day 2018 (from 1991):
> > > Caesar rules a community of apes and humans.
> > > MacDonald tells Caesar that in the archives of the dead city
are
> > > tapes of his mother and father.
> > > That evening, Caesar, MacDonald and Virgil get armaments from
> > > Mandemus.
> > > "This armory has been my home for twenty-seven years." -
Mandemus
> > > BFTPOTA
> > >
> > > Fourth day 2018:
> > > Three days later, Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald arrive at the
dead
> > > city. "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA.
> > > Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald get into and out of the archives,
> > > discovering that in the future apes will destroy the earth.
They
> > > also discover that mutants live in the dead city.
> > > Kolp rules the mutants, with Mendez I as an advisor. Kolp
> decides
> > to
> > > attack Ape City.
> > >
> > > Seventh day 2018:
> > > "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Caesar informs
> his
> > > people that they should ready for an expected assault from the
> > > mutants.
> > > That night, General Aldo instigates his gorilla troops to take
> > over
> > > Ape City and Caesar. Cornelius, Caesar 's son, overhears this
> and
> > is
> > > murdered by Aldo. BFTPOTA
> > >
> > > Tenth day 2018:
> > > "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Kolp and his
> > troops
> > > attack Ape City. They are beaten back, Kolp is shot by Aldo.
> > > Alma was instructed by Kolp to launch the Alpha-Omega bomb at
Ape
> > > City if he failed to return. Mendez convinces her not to.
> > > Caesar discovers that Aldo murdered Cornelius, and executes
him.
> > >
> > > 2040 (from 2670):
> > > Caesar dies. "...and now some six hundred years after
Caesar's
> > > death..." - The Lawgiver BFTPOTA
> > >
> > > 2670:
> > > The Lawgiver's speech to his class. BFTPOTA
> > >
> >
>

Does anyone else here feel that the apes from POTA where genetically
altered in any way? their appearence, their size and thier intellect
tend to convince me they were "Tampered with" to make them more "human
like" and thus easier to teach ....I picked up that idea from the 2001
film. (I did not really care for that film but I did like the premise
and consider it another story in the history of POTA...as if it
happended in another part of the country...at a different time)
If the apes were altered by science...this makes thier creators the
true downfall of mankind.

Ricky

Ricky, I prefer the idea of selective breeding for purpose, rather than
genetic enhancement.The 'gene spliced state of the art monkey' in
Burton's movie, especially if you read Bill Guest's two follow up
novels, loses the distinct 'Ape' identity, which is not something I
particularly like.The breeding selection scene in Conquest hints that
breeding, rather than gene manipulation, was the cause of the rapid
evolution and I'm happier with that.Primitive Man was able to do
remarkable things to dogs and horses, and wheat and potatoes,just by
picking and choosing what bred with what.A modern world,if it put its
mind to it, could do somrthing similar with Apes, especially if you
think how close they are to us to start with.Just my humble view! John,
Scrolls.

Yes, they were the 'product' of genetic tampering ----- transgenics ---
- but not an *human one* to begin with. They started to 'mutate'
(spontaneously or artificiously) in the previous millennium.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grtwhitecustoms" <grtwhitecustoms@y...>
wrote:

>
> Does anyone else here feel that the apes from POTA where genetically
> altered in any way? their appearence, their size and thier intellect
> tend to convince me they were "Tampered with" to make them

more "human

> like" and thus easier to teach ....I picked up that idea from the

2001

> film. (I did not really care for that film but I did like the

premise

> and consider it another story in the history of POTA...as if it
> happended in another part of the country...at a different time)
> If the apes were altered by science...this makes thier creators the
> true downfall of mankind.
>
> Ricky
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grtwhitecustoms" <grtwhitecustoms@y...>
wrote:

>
> Does anyone else here feel that the apes from POTA where genetically
> altered in any way? their appearence, their size and thier intellect
> tend to convince me they were "Tampered with" to make them

more "human

> like" and thus easier to teach ....I picked up that idea from the

2001

> film. (I did not really care for that film but I did like the

premise

> and consider it another story in the history of POTA...as if it
> happended in another part of the country...at a different time)
> If the apes were altered by science...this makes thier creators the
> true downfall of mankind.
>
> Ricky
>

Hi Ricky,

I guess I don't really like to think that they were genetically
altered, but that may be because I easily accept the makeups as being
great stuff at the time and throw myself into the fantasy.

With the new techniques in makeup and filming (and CGI) I can see
where it would seem nice to come up with a reason for this difference,
though. If that works for you, then I don't have a problem with it.
If someone wants to come up with a story that supports classic apes
and works that in, then by all means, give it a go.

In the meantime, though, I wonder: Would writers/producers of a
remake use the gene manipulation theory or would they use different
imaging techniques if they were to do a remake now, 2006?

Helen

The homepage picture is hillarious! Every woman's nightmare! That's
why we don't go on vacation! ;)

John,

What do you mean about the 'breeding selection in CONQUEST'?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> Ricky, I prefer the idea of selective breeding for purpose, rather
than
> genetic enhancement.The 'gene spliced state of the art monkey' in
> Burton's movie, especially if you read Bill Guest's two follow up
> novels, loses the distinct 'Ape' identity, which is not something
I
> particularly like.The breeding selection scene in Conquest hints
that
> breeding, rather than gene manipulation, was the cause of the
rapid
> evolution and I'm happier with that.Primitive Man was able to do
> remarkable things to dogs and horses, and wheat and potatoes,just
by
> picking and choosing what bred with what.A modern world,if it put
its
> mind to it, could do somrthing similar with Apes, especially if
you
> think how close they are to us to start with.Just my humble view!
John,
> Scrolls.
>

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 7:58:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, grtwhitecustoms@... writes:

Does anyone else here feel that the apes from POTA where genetically
altered in any way?

 

Okay look at the scene with Zira and that other chimp.

Do they look the same?  Are you blind?  I know were

supposed to believe that are the same, but I just can't

make that jump.  Any more than I can those orangs.

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:00:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I easily accept the makeups as being
great stuff at the time and throw myself into the fantasy. 

 

I accept them but not right next to the

GIlligan's Island Apes.  As far as any

new apes properties, I don't think we'll

see another until the 20teens.  They

only do it when they need a bail out.

And it will take them that long to

figure out where they went wrong.

 

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 7:57:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

It's really the best so far.

 

Where is it?

It it in Timeline form?

Or just typed out?

 

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In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:58:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, robert.mansell@... writes:

What was this series about, never heard of it.

 

It was about a mechanized cavalry unit in Africa in WWII.

Lots of machine gun Jeeps doing jumps over sand dunes.

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 4:24:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, robert.mansell@... writes:

Must have only been big in the US>

 

It wasn't that big here.

I never really watched it.

I watch shows like Lost In Space,

Land Of The Giants & Time Tunnel.

But Johnny Quest was my favorite.

 

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So Cornelius never told 'that' ALDO was a gorilla. Interesting.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> Okay, different people have been surmising different things about
the
> timeline of POTA, and such...Some have questioned when certain
events
> happened...Here is my take...Before you question me, read it
through
> because I believe I have substantiated everything from within the
> five movies...Have fun, and play nice:
>
> 01/14/1972 (from 07/14/1972):
> Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart leave Earth for Orion: "In less
> than an hour we will finish our sixth month out of Cape
> Kennedy…" "We're some three hundred and twenty light years from
> earth, on an unnamed planet in orbit around a star in the
> constellation of Orion… – Taylor POTA
>
> 03/14/1972 (from 01/14/1972):
> "Skipper" and Brent leave Earth. This date is arrived at under
the
> assumption that Brent's flight took as long as Taylor's. Since
Brent
> arrives two months after Taylor, he assumedly left two months
after.
>
> 06/1972 to 1978:
> The plague on dogs and cats; apes taken as pets: "It began in our
pre-
> history, with the plague that fell upon dogs and cats." "...so,
> humans took primitive apes as pets..." – Cornelius and Zira
EFTPOTA.
> This date is arrived at under the assumption that the plague
happened
> after Brent left, and before apes were taken as pets.
>
> 1978 (from 2678):
> "…But the artifacts lying here (heart valve, glasses, false teeth
and
> doll), were found at this level, and date back, oh, seven hundred
> years earlier. -- Cornelius POTA
>
> 1978 (from 3978):
> Apes recognize language: "What is English? I speak the language
> taught to me by my father and mother, who were taught by their
> fathers and mothers before them. It has been the language of our
> ancestors for nearly two thousand years..." "They became
responsive
> to human speech..." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
>
> 2178 (from 1978):
> Apes become slaves: "...and in the course of less than two
centuries
> they had progressed from performing mere tricks to performing
> services." - Cornelius EFTPOTA
>
> 2478 (from 2178):
> Apes revolt: "They became alert to the concept of slavery, and as
> their numbers grew, to slavery's antidote, which of course is
unity.
> Well, at first they began assembling in small groups. They
learned
> the art of corporate and militant action, they learned to refuse.
At
> first they just grunted their refusal, but then, on an historic
day
> which is commemorated by my species and fully documented in the
> Sacred Scrolls, there came Aldo. He did not grunt, he
articulated.
> He spoke a word which had been spoken to him, oh, time without
number
> by humans. He said, 'No'." "...or, after three more centuries,
turn
> the tables on their owners..." -- Cornelius and Zira EFTPOTA
>
> 2478 to 2678:
> Nuclear War. This date is arrived at under the assumption that
the
> war happened after the ape revolt, and before apes began
civilization.
>
> 2678 (from 3978):
> Apes civilization begins: "It was at this level that I discovered
> traces of an early ape creature -- a stage of primitive barbarism,
> really -- dating back some thirteen hundred years, roughly." --
> Cornelius POTA
>
> 2778 (from 3978):
> Apes reach cultural level: "When were those Sacred Scrolls of
yours
> written?" -- Taylor. "Twelve hundred years ago." -- Zaius POTA
>
> 01/3978 (from 01/21/3979):
> Cornelius' first expedition: "You're going back to the Forbidden
> Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to the diggings I worked out
over
> a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
>
> 11/25/3978:
> Taylor, Landon, Dodge and Stewart crash-land in Forbidden Zone
lake.
> Taylor, Landon and Dodge begin trek through Forbidden Zone. -- POTA
>
> 11/28/3978:
> Taylor, Landon and Dodge sight scarecrow, reach jungle/lake and
> discover mute human populace. Gorilla hunting party kills Dodge
and
> takes Taylor and Landon captive: "We have food and water enough
for
> three days…" "…If there's no life here, we've got just seventy-
two
> hours to find it…" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at under
the
> assumption that the two sunsets/sunrises shown constitute the
passing
> of three days, in whole or in part.
>
> 12/19/3978:
> Taylor speaks for the first time. -- POTA. This date is arrived
at
> under the assumption that, on average, it takes three weeks for a
> simple gunshot wound to heal.
>
> 01/20/3979:
> Taylor is brought before the High Tribunal. Zira and Cornelius
are
> accused of heresy, and help Taylor and Nova escape: "It's been
> weeks. What happened?" -- Taylor POTA. This date is arrived at
> because, according to the script: "Four weeks and three days, and
not
> a word from anyone…" – Taylor POTA
>
> 01/21/3979:
> The next morning, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova meet Cornelius
near
> the hunting grounds and they head for the Forbidden Zone: "You're
> going back to the Forbidden Zone?" – Taylor. "We're going back to
> the diggings I worked out over a year ago." – Cornelius POTA
>
> 01/24/3979:
> Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Taylor and Nova reach the dig site. They
> are followed. Taylor escapes with Nova, and they discover the
Statue
> of Liberty: "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --

> POTA
>
> 01/25/3979:
> As Taylor and Nova ride across the desert, a wall of fire, a
> lightning storm and an earthquake appear and then disappear
> suddenly. A rock wall appears and Taylor disappears though it,
and
> then the wall disappears with him. Nova sets out for Ape City to
> find Zira.
> "Skipper" and Brent crash-land in the Forbidden Zone. Nova rides
up,
> and she and Brent head for Ape City. -- BTPOTA. This date is
arrived
> at under the assumption that the sunset/sunrise shown constitutes
the
> passing of one day, in whole or in part.
>
> 01/28/3979:
> Nova and Brent arrive at Ape City. Nova and Brent are captured by
> gorillas. "It's a three day ride across the desert…" Cornelius --
> POTA
>
> 01/29/3979:
> The next morning, Nova and Brent escape. During pursuit by
gorillas
> they hide in the subway ruins of New York City. BTPOTA
>
> 01/30/3979:
> After sleeping (overnight?), Nova and Brent travel down the subway.
> The gorilla war party headed by Ursus ride up over a rise and sees
> the ruins of New York City.
> The mutants have their ceremony to their "God" -- the Alpha-Omega
> nuclear bomb.
> Brent and Taylor are induced to fight through telepathy.
> The gorillas attack New York City.
> Taylor activates the Alpha-Omega bomb, destroying the earth: "But
we
> saw the earth destroyed…" – Cornelius EFTPOTA. This date is
arrived
> at under the assumption that Nova and Brent slept and it is the
next
> day; otherwise, it is still 01/29/3978.
>
> * * *
>
> 12/31/1973 (from 01/14/1972):
> Cornelius, Zira and Milo crash-land off the coast of Los Angeles.
> "Yesterday, a US spacecraft splashed down off the southern
California
> coast. It was one of two that have been missing in space for over
> two years now. To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel
Taylor..." -
> - President of the United States EFTPOTA.
> "…the Date Meter…what did it register after Earth's destruction?" –

> Hasslein. "Nineteen seventy-three…" -- Zira EFTPOTA. This date
is
> arrived at because it most closely satisfies both pieces of dialog.
>
> 01/01/1974:
> Milo is killed: "Through an unfortunate accident, one of them was
> killed early this morning, in the Los Angeles Zoo."-- President of
> the United States EFTPOTA
>
> 01/02/1974 (from 01/01/1974):
> Cornelius and Zira are brought before the Presidential
Commission: "I
> have therefore decided to convene a Presidential Commission of
> Inquiry in Los Angeles, tomorrow. The two surviving apes will be
> presented to the Commission..."-- President of the United States
> EFTPOTA
>
> 01/03/1974 (from 01/02/1974):
> Second Presidential Commission held: "…they will not be required
to
> appear before the Commission tomorrow…" – Bill Bonds EFTPOTA
> Cornelius and Zira move into the Beverly Wilshire hotel; "…they
will,
> however, be taken from the zoo infirmary to a hotel…" – Bill Bonds
> EFTPOTA
>
> 01/04/1974 (from 01/03/1974):
> Zira lectures at a "Women's Club", and goes to the museum with
> Hasslein: "…Tomorrow, Zira is to speak at the `Bay Area Women's
> Club', and later, she'll accompany Dr. Hasslein to the `Museum of
> Natural History'…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> Cornelius goes to the "fights" with Lewis: "…meanwhile, Cornelius
> will attend a prizefight…" – Newscaster EFTPOTA
> Hasslein gets Zira drunk. She tells about the destruction of
earth.
> Hasslein convinces the President that the apes are a threat. He
> orders another Commission.
> That evening, the third Presidential Commission held: "…the ape-
> onauts will in fact be escorted by Dr. Lewis Dixon to the
> installation known as Camp Eleven and held there, in his care, for
> interrogation by the CIA under the guidance and supervision of Dr.
> Otto Hasslein…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
>
> 01/05/1974:
> The next morning, Cornelius and Zira are transferred to Camp
Eleven.
> Under interrogation, Cornelius and Zira reveal mankind's downfall
and
> apekind's rise. Under sodium pentothal, Zira reveals the
treatment
> of humans at the hands of apes. -- EFTOTA
> Fourth Presidential Commission held: "…the Commission unanimously
> recommends that the birth of the female ape's unborn child should
be
> prevented; and that, after its prenatal removal, both the male and
> the female should humanely be rendered incapable of bearing
> another…" -- Chairman EFTPOTA
> That evening, in their quarters, Cornelius accidentally kills
their
> orderly and they escape. Zira begins labor.
> Stevie brings Cornelius and Zira to "Armando's Circus". EFTPOTA
>
> 01/06/1974:
> The next morning, Milo is born. This date is arrived at because
> there is no way to gauge the length of time Zira is in labor.
>
> 01/07/1974:
> Hasslein orders an intensified search for Cornelius and Zira: "…I
> want you to mount a systematic an immediate search of every zoo,
> every menagerie, every circus…" – Hasslein EFTPOTA
> That evening, Stevie and Lewis help Cornelius and Zira hide in a
> derelict shipyard. EFTPOTA. This date is arrived at because
there
> is no way to gauge the length of time Cornelius, Zira and Milo
stay
> at the circus.
>
> 01/08/1974:
> The next morning, Hasslein discovers Cornelius and Zira on the
> derelict ship.
> Zira is shot by Hasslein; Cornelius shoots Hasslein, then is shot
> himself by a policeman. – EFTPOTA
>
> 02/07/1974 (from 01/07/1974):
> Armando packs up his circus: "…In a month, in just one month, we
move
> on to our winter quarters in Florida…" – Armando EFTPOTA
> Milo, whom Zira switched with another baby chimpanzee, survives --
> EFTPOTA.
>
> 1983 (from 1991):
> Plague on dogs and cats: "They all died within a few months, eight
> years ago, every dog and cat in the world. It was like a
plague..." -
> - Armando COTPOTA
>
> 12/31/1991:
> Armando and Caesar arrive at a North American metropolis: "…After
> twenty years you've picked-up evolved habits from me…" – Armando
> COTPOTA
> Caesar sees apes are slaves, and after an outburst, runs off and
> Armando is arrested.
> That night, while Armando is being interrogated, Caesar enters an
> incoming shipment of orangutans. -- COTPOTA. This date is arrived
at
> because it most closely satisfies both the opening super and the
> dialog.
>
> 01/01/1991:
> The next morning, Caesar begins his slave training. -- COTPOTA
>
> 01/03/1991:
> Caesar is sold to Breck.
> That night, Armando falls to his death during his interrogation. --

> COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
> the length of time Caesar is in training before he is sold.
>
> 01/04/1991:
> The next morning, Caesar instigates apes to rebel; and begins to
> gather confederate apes, arms and explosives. -- COTPOTA.
>
> 01/11/1991:
> Kolp realizes that the shipment Caesar came in should have no
> chimpanzees. Breck orders Caesar brought in.
> Caesar is interrogated in a torture device: "Have pity." -- Caesar
> COTPOTA.
> Kolp suggests that Caesar be electrocuted.
> MacDonald saves Caesar, and escaping, he begins the ape
revolution. –
> COTPOTA. This date is arrived at because there is no way to gauge
> the length of time Caesar prepares for the revolt.
>
> 2006 (from 2018):
> Nuclear War: "...the surface of the world was ravaged by the
vilest
> war in human history. The great cities of the world split asunder
> and were flattened..." -- Lawgiver. "If we shoot, we break twelve
> years of peace." -- Mendez I BFTPOTA
>
> First day 2018 (from 1991):
> Caesar rules a community of apes and humans.
> MacDonald tells Caesar that in the archives of the dead city are
> tapes of his mother and father.
> That evening, Caesar, MacDonald and Virgil get armaments from
> Mandemus.
> "This armory has been my home for twenty-seven years." - Mandemus
> BFTPOTA
>
> Fourth day 2018:
> Three days later, Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald arrive at the dead
> city. "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA.
> Caesar, Virgil and MacDonald get into and out of the archives,
> discovering that in the future apes will destroy the earth. They
> also discover that mutants live in the dead city.
> Kolp rules the mutants, with Mendez I as an advisor. Kolp decides
to
> attack Ape City.
>
> Seventh day 2018:
> "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Caesar informs his
> people that they should ready for an expected assault from the
> mutants.
> That night, General Aldo instigates his gorilla troops to take
over
> Ape City and Caesar. Cornelius, Caesar 's son, overhears this and
is
> murdered by Aldo. BFTPOTA
>
> Tenth day 2018:
> "…it's a three day journey…" – Virgil BFTPOTA. Kolp and his
troops
> attack Ape City. They are beaten back, Kolp is shot by Aldo.
> Alma was instructed by Kolp to launch the Alpha-Omega bomb at Ape
> City if he failed to return. Mendez convinces her not to.
> Caesar discovers that Aldo murdered Cornelius, and executes him.
>
> 2040 (from 2670):
> Caesar dies. "...and now some six hundred years after Caesar's
> death..." - The Lawgiver BFTPOTA
>
> 2670:
> The Lawgiver's speech to his class. BFTPOTA
>

Go to the MARVELLOUS DATABASE of my group.

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I just thought I'd introduce one of the tastiest inconsistancies in POTA -- chocolate...Chocolate is made from cacao beans which only grow in the tropics, eastern Brazil in South America, and the Ivory Coast and other countries of Africa...Does this mean there are Ape civilizations in these areas of the world that export to the east coast of America?...Hmmm...==)

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/06 8:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I just thought I'd introduce one of the tastiest inconsistancies in POTA -- chocolate...Chocolate is made from cacao beans which only grow in the tropics, eastern Brazil in South America, and the Ivory Coast and other countries of Africa...Does this mean there are Ape civilizations in these areas of the world that export to the east coast of America?...Hmmm...==)

G

Another sloppy Dehn mistake!

OH THAT DEHN!

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 7:31:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

...Does this mean there are Ape civilizations in these areas of the world that export to the east coast of America?...Hmmm...==)

 

Not necessarily. If there are desserts

and jungles within walking distance

of New York, it's obviously a very different

world, and the climate may be perfectly

suitable for growing them right there.

 

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/06 5:24:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, robert.mansell@... writes:

Must have only been big in the US>

Robert Mansell

You limeys need to get to know it!

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/06 8:57:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Okay:

In my scenario, BRENT and SKIPPER lift off in early October 1972,
when ANSA realized that Taylor was DEFINITELY GONE.

Follow me:

2673:6(months of travelling)=3978: x
x= 6x3978:2673= 8.

So it takes aprox. 8/9 months of travelling to 'land' on the Planet
of the Apes at that specific TIME -----> 3978/3979.

Basically, Brent arrived in Mid-August 3979.

Aaaaaahhhh, didn't Landon say something in PLANET about being gone from earth for 18 months?

Other than that I'd personally like to forget Brent ever arrived.  Things went quickly downhill from there.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/06 10:02:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, mail@... writes:

Ricky, I prefer the idea of selective breeding for purpose, rather than
genetic enhancement.The 'gene spliced state of the art monkey' in
Burton's movie, especially if you read Bill Guest's two follow up
novels, loses the distinct 'Ape' identity, which is not something I
particularly like.The breeding selection scene in Conquest hints that
breeding, rather than gene manipulation, was the cause of the rapid
evolution and I'm happier with that.

That doesn't get you to Cornelius in two thousand years.  No way, no how.

Of course, you can always say Roswell Aliens had something to do with it, but that's another group.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/06 8:58:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, grtwhitecustoms@... writes:

Does anyone else here feel that the apes from POTA where genetically
altered in any way?

Does Dr. Zaius have a hairy butt?  Dah, yeah!

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In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:03:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

especially if you read Bill Guest's two follow up
novels

 

Do you mean William T. Quick?

aka Billy The Quick . . .

 

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too open and vulnerable...
I gave on how to write... leaving myself fragile and suseptible;
only to be attacked...
A year later -- I have found peace...
Thanks for the "hax"...
I am only wiser...
Not knocking you, but I prefer where I am now...
Thanx for the knowledge...,
T.D.H.

This is the response I got from PetitionsOnline about the problems
some are having signing the petition. There is a work around:

-- Staying online and signed in to AOL, minimize AOL and go back to
your computer's desktop.

-- From the desktop, call up Internet Explorer. Most PC and Macs
have IE preloaded.

-- In IE go to the address box and paste in the petition location
http://www.petitiononline.com/Battle/ and click go.

-- The petition site should come up and you should be able to sign.

If anyone else has problems please let me know.

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>
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>
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