Gee, I agree with Rory about the theatrical version being the
official version. I just thought I'd sign to help you all out. I'm
really glad that they are doing it, though. I think it speaks
volumes about the voice that the fans may have.

I could be wrong.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> To be fair, there were some people who had legitimate reasons for
> not signing the petition. Rory for example feels that the
theatrical
> version of BATTLE is the 'official' version. I may not agree with
> him but respect his opinion.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > My feelings exactly, Chris...Thank you...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@> wrote:
> > >
> > > JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm forwarding this email to let everyone know the good news:
> > >
> > > >>James - I wanted to get back to you and CONFIRM that we will
be
> > > releasing
> > > the extended version of the Battle for the Planet of the
Apes.
> The
> > DVD
> > > will
> > > be available in all versions of our upcoming releases
including
> the
> > Apes
> > > head, the Legacy collection and as a single disc.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to share this information with your friends
on
> the
> > Yahoo
> > > Group and those involved in the online petition. Thanks again
> for
> > you
> > > interest.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steven Feldstein
> > > SVP, Corporate and Marketing Communications
> > > TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HOME ENTERTAINMENT <<
> > >
> > >
> > > Right there in the letter- an acknowledgement from Fox that
they
> > were
> > > aware of the online petition. Everyone involved with that
> petition
> > *in
> > > any way* should feel good about what happened. Wouldn't you
just
> > feel
> > > stupid though if you had a chance to contribute to something
> like
> > this
> > > but didn't. Talk about egg on your face...
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris L.
> > >
> >
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/10/06 7:49:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Gee, I agree with Rory about the theatrical version being the
official version.  I just thought I'd sign to help you all out.  I'm
really glad that they are doing it, though.  I think it speaks
volumes about the voice that the fans may have.

I could be wrong.

Helen

When did the petition start?  I think these on-line petitions are a good thing -- if the studios and Home Video divisions are paying attention to them.

But, I don't think that Fox or any other company has anamorphic transfers with remixed 5.1 digital soundtracks just sitting in a drawer waiting for a demand from fans to get them out.  These things take time to prepare.

I've very cynical when it comes to Fox and getting what you want from them.  (It took years of begging just to get a few words from Jerry Goldsmith on a commentary for PLANET, but there's still many things I'm still waiting for.)  So, my attitude was always "they'll probably just re-released the same theatrical cut of BATTLE they always have before."  If I cared that much about the movie -- which I don't because I think it's a bad film -- I'd have recalled that the Fox Movie Channel has run the extended version several times which means they know which version is preferred by fans.

Anyway, the petition has done one thing for sure -- gotten us the e-mail address of Steve Feldstein at Fox.

So, now the question is where do we go from here?  This so-called "Ultimate Edition" isn't giving us everything we want.  What fans such as myself and Joe Russo want to know is just what's in the Fox archives -- such as cut scenes, the preview version of CONQUEST, behind-the-scenes stills -- and will we ever see them?
If the original version of CONQUEST no longer exists, then it no longer exists, but it would be nice to know.  What about the scenes from PLANET involving Nova's pregnancy?  Or the escape party being stopped by gorillas outside the ape's city?  We know these scenes were shot because we have stills from them.  Where are they?

-- Rory<.html <.html

Then you have my apology for misstating your opinion. And you may very well be correct that the petition merely got a response from FOX. But getting a response from FOX is a victory in itself.

When the petition was started, the goal was to get it to FOX by end of January. Unlike Videotape, DVDs don't need a long lead time. Recently a client of mine was negotiating a sponsorship on the DVD to Ice Age II which comes out on DVD on March 28th too. The deadline to conclude the deal was last week because the DVD was scheduled for final authoring this week with burning scheduled to begin in late February.

Studios don't warehouse DVDs waiting for a release date. The release date is based on the window of when the DVD can be burned & packaged and is shipped straight to distributors. Once the burning date is set everthing works backwards from there. Most of the lead time is devoted to creating the graphics, menus and special features content. Converting the actual film to digital takes very little time.

FOX most likely had a digitized version of the uncut Battle from when it aired on the FOX Movie Channel a few years ago. It wouldn't take that much time to do whatever fixes were needed for a DVD. Film and Video take a long time to reprocess, digital media doesn't.

You may be right that FOX had this planned before the petition appeared. And it may just be a coincidence that suddenly promotional materials for the upcoming release are now mentioning the extended version of Battle when they didn't before. But none of us work at FOX so no one can say with 100% certainty what actually happened.

One thing is true, the petition and thus the voice of the fans did get noticed by FOX. Whether it resulted in the uncut Battle to be released or just alerted FOX that it was a selling point for the new releases, FOX did respond to the fans. That is something that all the fans who signed the petition and helped promote it, as well as those fans who've been writing letters to FOX for years, can take pride in.

In regard to starting an effort to get FOX to release more deleted scenes and other extras for the 40th Anniversary in 2 years, Roger Alford of the Forbidden Zone site along with a few others are in the process of organizing a campaign. We'll keep you posted and let everyone know what they can do to support the effort.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, now I guess the theatrical version is no longer the "official" version, at least as fas as Fox is concerned. So it seems in 2006 the extended version is now the official version.
>
> I didn't sign the petition because I felt it was too late, and I still believe that Fox had this release planned before the petition appeared. It takes months to prepare these transfers. What the petition did was get an "official" response from Fox.
>
> BUT... what we now need is to start a petition for the preview version of CONQUEST and other extras we want -- this for the eventual HD DVD and Blue-Ray DVD box sets for the 40th Anniversary of PLANET in 2008.
>
> Oh, yes... you just keep buying APES... over and over.... like you're stuck in a timeloop!
>
> ("Ha! Ha! Ha!" ~ Taylor in PLANET)
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm
> for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading
> Cards and much, much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

In the June 1977 issue of Starlog, Gerold wrote about his 'Day as an
Ape' when he appeared as a chimp extra in Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I never knew that about Gerrold. Are you sure?
>
> My recollection is the novelizations of the last three sequels all
appeared
> at the same time and that either just before or just after the TV
series
> premiered.
>
> -- Rory
>

Maybe there could be an interview with Braeden in a
future Scrolls??

Tim

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002"
> <mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder why Jerry Pournelle changed Hasslein's
> name from Otto to
> > Victor? I also woner why I didn't think to ask him
> when Scrolls
> > interviewed him! It's 'Otto' in the
> comics(including Revolution) and
> > the original script and movie, but it's 'Victor'
> in the novel.Maybe
> > there's an ironic meaning in the name 'Victor'? I
> used to view
> Hasslein
> > as a pure bad guy, having first encountered Escape
> in the Marvel
> > comic,where Rico Rival draws him as a deranged
> madman.The novel
> softens
> > him a lot, with the back story about his son, and
> Braeden in the
> movie
> > really gives a layered, tortured man of duty,
> performance.I now kind
> of
> > like Hasslein and can understand his motives, even
> if I don't agree
> > with his aims and methods.Funny how we change as
> we get older. John
> > Scrolls.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/10/06 9:54:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In the June 1977 issue of Starlog, Gerold wrote about his 'Day as an
Ape' when he appeared as a chimp extra in Battle. 

Do you still have that issue?  I'd like to hear more details.  Don't recall that article at all.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/10/06 9:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

FOX most likely had a digitized version of the uncut Battle from when it aired on the FOX Movie Channel a few years ago. It wouldn't take that much time to do whatever fixes were needed for a DVD. Film and Video take a long time to reprocess, digital media doesn't.

I kind of disagree with this. It's true that the actual pressing of DVDs doesn't require that much time, but what I'm talking about is the restoration of the film elements themselves.  The transfer the Fox Movie Channel showed of the extended BATTLE looked horrible, and even the one of the Japanese LD isn't perfect.  I'm expecting the sequels on these new DVDs to look and sound as good as PLANET does in its 35th Anniversary edition, in fact I'm even hoping PLANET will be improved a little, so I would hope that several months worth of work was done on them!  I'd rather they took their time and got to to looking as good as they can.  I recall reading that anamorphic transfers for all the APES were being prepared well before the 35th Anniversary edition of PLANET came out and that was two years ago.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlDidn't want to let this day go by without mentioning that Jerry Goldsmith was born on February 10, 1929.  PLANET OF THE APES wouldn't be the same film without his music.  I'm so very glad that the man was there for the movie and for so many other movies that I love.  I miss him.

-- Rory<.html<.html

Attachments :

You mean these??
Tim

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/young_old.jpg
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/orang.jpeg
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/dredchmp.jpeg
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/chimp.jpeg
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/2001AmericanMule6Chimp.jpeg





--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley
> <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > I never saw any test footage, but I do remember
> seeing test photos of
> > the makeup designs.
>
>
> I have these archived somewhere, I remember posting
> them once before
> but it may have been somewhere that removes members
> and then blames it
> on Yahoo :0)
>
> I'll go through my hard-drive tommorrow and see if I
> can locate them -
> they are well worth another look.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>

True, but unlike the days of Videotape when all the restorations were
done by to the film itself which took a very long time, these fixes are
now done on computer to the digitized version which takes only a
fraction of the time.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I kind of disagree with this. It's true that the actual pressing of
DVDs
> doesn't require that much time, but what I'm talking about is the
restoration of
> the film elements themselves. >

Unfortunately no which is a shame since that issue is a collector's
item now. It is the first cover story they ever did on Star Wars.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Do you still have that issue? I'd like to hear more details. Don't
recall
> that article at all.
>
> -- Rory
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

File : /Starlog7.jpg
Uploaded by : jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Starlog7.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>

Thanks so much Tim. I really like the look of the Winston apes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> You mean these??
> Tim
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/young_old.jpg
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/orang.jpeg
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/dredchmp.jpeg
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/chimp.jpeg
>
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/2001AmericanMule6Chimp.j
peg
>
>

I've added a pic of the cover to the Files section
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Starlog7.jpg
Note at the bottom where it says "David Gerrold Goes Ape".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately no which is a shame since that issue is a
collector's
> item now. It is the first cover story they ever did on Star Wars.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > Do you still have that issue? I'd like to hear more details.
Don't
> recall
> > that article at all.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> You mean these??
> Tim

Hey Tim!

Almost...

Some of those pix you posted are Rick Baker tests for the Burton
remake. I've created a folder in the files section in which you'll
find the 5 pix I have of the Winston tests. (A couple of which Tim has
already posted) The older chimp is Stan Winston himself and the
younger one is his son or nephew.

Th eimage of what appears to be an Orangutan mask appeared on Ebay
many years ago and was credited to the Stan Winston studios - I've
added it only for interest and can't vouch for its authenticity.

Lastly the warrior gorilla pic looks like it's based on General Ollo
from the Adventure comics - does anyone know anything about this?

Dave

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Winston%20Tests/

.html

In a message dated 2/10/2006 8:55:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Gerold wrote about his 'Day as an
Ape' when he appeared as a chimp extra in Battle. 

 

Did he have Perfect Hair?

 

Wow, an AS & a Warren Zevon reference in one!

 

 

<.html

> In the June 1977 issue of Starlog, Gerold wrote about his 'Day as an
> Ape' when he appeared as a chimp extra in Battle.

By chance yesterday, I found a David Gerrold interview on
www.tvshowsondvd.com, which led me to his web site (www.gerrold.com),
where you can download his book "The Trouble with Tribbles" for free
as a PDF file.

The only mentions of "Apes" I could find:

From his bio:

and the novelization of Battle For The Planet Of The Apes. (Gerrold
can be seen as a dead ape in one of the movie's climactic scenes.)

And his bibliography:

NOVELIZATIONS AND TIE-INS
Battle For The Planet Of The Apes
Award Books, 1973, movie novelization. (Somebody had to do it.)

The tvshowsondvd interview is very interesting, especially if you're a
"Star Trek" or "Land of the Lost" fan.

Hunter

.html

Gee, I agree with Rory about the theatrical version being the
official version.  I just thought I'd sign to help you all out.  I'm
really glad that they are doing it, though.  I think it speaks
volumes about the voice that the fans may have.

I could be wrong.

Helen

  I agree. Petitions are also a way of letting Fox know that pota fans exist and they give us a  voice. I meant to sign this petition but due to my overwhelming busy life didn't get to it(lame excuse). I definately will sign the Conquest petition. Elaine

<.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/11/06 9:00:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

And his bibliography:

   NOVELIZATIONS AND TIE-INS
   Battle For The Planet Of The Apes
   Award Books, 1973, movie novelization. (Somebody had to do it.)

Looks as if Gerrold thinks as much of BATTLE as I do!  Good man!

-- Rory<.html <.html

This week's Lesson from the Lawgiver is now available. Thank you to Elaine and all others who contributed. The lesson can be viewed by clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page or directly with this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

Also, our Files section is a 97% of capacity. Thus, we need to move some files to the Files Archive group: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive. Using the criteria of large files over a six months old, the contents of both the JR - Jose Ramon Ruiz Diez and the Lobby Displays folder will be moved. I hope Jose and Tim have no objection to this, please let me know if either of you do. Thanks.

You can read the Starlog article here:
http://nemsworld.com/pota/

Look for starlog1.jpg through starlog3.jpg



--- pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:06:33 -0000
> From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: Stalog
>
> I've added a pic of the cover to the Files section
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Starlog7.jpg

>
> Note at the bottom where it says "David Gerrold Goes
> Ape".
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately no which is a shame since that issue
> is a
> collector's
> > item now. It is the first cover story they ever
> did on Star Wars.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you still have that issue? I'd like to hear
> more details.
> Don't
> > recall
> > > that article at all.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> >
>
>

you are right DAve... Irecall the Dreadlocked Ari was
an early Baker idea.....



--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > You mean these??
> > Tim
>
> Hey Tim!
>
> Almost...
>
> Some of those pix you posted are Rick Baker tests
> for the Burton
> remake. I've created a folder in the files section
> in which you'll
> find the 5 pix I have of the Winston tests. (A
> couple of which Tim has
> already posted) The older chimp is Stan Winston
> himself and the
> younger one is his son or nephew.
>
> Th eimage of what appears to be an Orangutan mask
> appeared on Ebay
> many years ago and was credited to the Stan Winston
> studios - I've
> added it only for interest and can't vouch for its
> authenticity.
>
> Lastly the warrior gorilla pic looks like it's based
> on General Ollo
> from the Adventure comics - does anyone know
> anything about this?
>
> Dave
>
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Winston%20Tests/

>
>
>
>

I did too.....they look quite real....
Tim

--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Thanks so much Tim. I really like the look of the
> Winston apes.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > You mean these??
> > Tim
> >
> >
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/young_old.jpg

>
> >
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/orang.jpeg

>
> >
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/dredchmp.jpeg

>
> >
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/chimp.jpeg

>
> >
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/2001AmericanMule6Chimp.j

> peg
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Chris Lawless sent me the press kits for the 1998 VHS and 2000 DVD
releases of the PLANET OF THE APES series. You can view the kits on
my PotA site now, as both images and downloadable PDF files.

https://pota.goatley.com/

Thanks, Chris!

Hunter

> You can read the Starlog article here:
> http://nemsworld.com/pota/

> Look for starlog1.jpg through starlog3.jpg

Thanks to Mark, you can also read it on my site. In addition to
Mark's scans, I've provided a PDF file for those of you who prefer
that format.

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

James,

Thanks for keeping me updated on the the events and news of the group. I
haven't been in contact nor have I have been able to read everything as my
computer and personal time is very limited. I've been going to school;
studying linguistics and anthropology. Most important, I have been working
hard on my writing career such as getting my picture books published as well
as working on a novel that started out as a POTA. (It has evolve quite a bit
into its own universe.) Because of my presistance, I have just recently
purchased a dell computer, thus my time on the internet has expanded like
the universe. Because I have not visisted the group site for a good lenght
of time, I have forgotten my password. Could you help me reestablish my
password or give me new one? I would like to visit the group depending on
what my own time premits. I miss you all, especially Elaine amd Kassidy --
that's if she is still with you.


Wendy (libraryape)

>From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lesson from the Lawgiver/File Archive
>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:46:37 -0000
>
>
>This week's Lesson from the Lawgiver is now available. Thank you to
>Elaine and all others who contributed. The lesson can be viewed by
>clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page or directly with this link:
>http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm
><http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm>
>
>Also, our Files section is a 97% of capacity. Thus, we need to move some
>files to the Files Archive group:
>http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive
><http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive> . Using the
>criteria of large files over a six months old, the contents of both the
>JR - Jose Ramon Ruiz Diez and the Lobby Displays folder will be moved. I
>hope Jose and Tim have no objection to this, please let me know if
>either of you do. Thanks.
>

That's my two cents:

The MOVIES are obviously the only source of *CANON* - every piece of
FOOTAGE available is *CANON* whatever that same footage is NOT
exclusive or elitarian, but a common benefit of EVERYONE.
Novels and comics, they are nice 'toys' to play around things, but
no-where to be taken as primary source.

The deleted scenes of BATTLE weren't *CANON*, since not EVERYONE
could purchase the japanese laserdisc version. I couldn't, for
example! LOL.

Now that the deleted scenes will be properly restored in the
magnificent EXTENDED EDITION, they will ascent to the *CANON*
heaven - LOL!

All in all, 'BATTLE' is my absolute favourite sequel to POTA - I
like the 'Mad Max-esque' flavour in it, and the make-up job is
astonishing. I love the final confrontation, very well-staged, and I
think that the missing bits will enhance it a lot. CAESAR shines
throughout the whole movie, and many new characters are inserted
into the 'Ape-mithology'.
I don't know why so many self-proclamed Ape-fans in the past have
snarled and sneered to 'BATTLE', but now we have a chance to set the
things straight for the very first time. In fact, it seems that the
news regarding the EE is making 'BATTLE' popular all over
the "place".

Good.


No, no. GREAT! Virgil has spoken.

T.C.

Okay,

Premise: do not reply to this message by 'unspoiling' new flubs,
because NO-ONE has really the right to 'taint' the memory of these
fantastic, cosmical, PERFECT MOVIES. Okay? I'm not joking.

Days ago, I thought and meditated about the 'flub' (???? I don't
really see it like a blooper; the scenes are really fast-moving, and
those mistakes are really ininfluent and unnoticeable) of the "real
mouth" you can spot in the interrogation scene (ESCAPE - chapter
III) and in the 'Fight Like Apes!' scene (BATTLE - chapter V). I
felt very depressed, I always considered the MAKE-UP in POTA as the
greatest achievement EVER in that specific sector.

Then, mechanisms in my mind started to move in the right direction...

... and NOW!

The Humanoid Apes are supposed to have a more "carnivourous-
oriented" facial conformation, and that implies their tooth aren't
so similar to those of the "COMMON" monkeys or apes. That's pretty
obvious to me. They can speak, after all.
Now... both the SCENES mentioned above... involve... the same
GENETIC BRANCH! ZIRA and CAESAR are mother & son! What a beautiful
illumination I had!
The 'soft pulp' of their dental apparatus is genetically designed to
be more prominent in comparison with the other Humanoid Apes, it's
just a TRAIT of their genome (By the way, I'm not saying they are
Mutants! Just SLIGHTLY different from the other Humanoid Apes. After
all, are we HUMANS all the same ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). So when they
panicked or are way too much hungry, they open the mouth in a way
you can SLIGHTLY, BARELY see the 'soft pulp' (the real mouth, but
it's very unnoticeable).

As far as concerned Cornelius's bare neck (or wists, for instance)
well... do the H-APES ocasionally shave some parts of their bodies?
I think so!

T.C.

It monumentally pisses me off when writers casually diss a
project.David Gerrold's 'somebody had to do it'about Battle quip
doesn't really gell with his interview in issue 5 of Scrolls--'In fact,
the powers that be were enormously pleased with the job I did.They felt
it was a very good book.I felt good about that because it was my first
novelisation'.Also, 'If the material is interesting, as this was, it's
a lot of fun'.Maybe Scrolls isn't canon!!? John, Scrolls.

Tim, an Eric Braeden interview would be wonderful. Anybody know how to
contact him? Who would be the best person to do the interview? Maybe,
if we made contact, this Group could organise the questions and do it
as a team effort.Scrolls is 'by the fans, for the fans' and we always
appreciate people getting involved.John, Scrolls.

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Just before I head for the hills, anybody heard any more about the
planned line from Palisades? Any more coming from Sideshow? John,
Scrolls.PS, I emailed the Rittenhouse people to say Scrolls would
publicise any new trading cards and I had a thankyou back that DIDN'T
say there wouldn't be any more.Is it worth us bombarding these guys to
see if they'll do more--a TV Series set maybe? James succeeded with the
uncut Battle and we don't want the guy getting lazy! John,Scrolls.

Excellent, looks like we can have the sort of debate that Doctor Who
fans live for--what is canon and what isn't.I'm ready to be blown to
bits by this particular canon, but, for me, the novels are canon.Apes
started with Boulle's novel and everything after is just an
interpretation of the original novel.The movie novels are my canon
because they are fuller, more detailed and, frankly, better than their
respective movies.Conquest and Escape,in particular, are the true
chronicle of those tales, and are more vivid, engaging and moving than
the movies.The four TV Series adaptations are canon, in my view as they
are more faithful to the spirit of the original scripts and fully
delineate the three main characters in ways that the series itself
failed to do.Likewise with the three adaptations of the animated series-
- excellent stories that bring thses otherwise two dimensional
characters to life.Finally, the 2001 Apes novels---two are never seen
on film, neither are the two teen novels--they are the only source for
those tales and, by definition, must be canon.Just my view. I'm running
for the hills now. John.

Speaking of Gerrold, today's Home Page Picture is a rare still from
the lost episode of the TV series that was written by David Gerrold.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> It monumentally pisses me off when writers casually diss a
> project.David Gerrold's 'somebody had to do it'about Battle quip
> doesn't really gell with his interview in issue 5 of Scrolls--'In
fact,
> the powers that be were enormously pleased with the job I did.They
felt
> it was a very good book.I felt good about that because it was my
first
> novelisation'.Also, 'If the material is interesting, as this was,
it's
> a lot of fun'.Maybe Scrolls isn't canon!!? John, Scrolls.
>

>From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
>Subject: Re: Otto /Victor Hasslein?
>Tim, an Eric Braeden interview would be wonderful. Anybody know how to
>contact him? Who would be the best person to do the interview?

Contact the Screen Actor's Guild. They have a free service whereby
you can call and get the phone number of an agent or manager for an
actor -- assuming he's still listed with SAG, it should be easy to find him.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 6:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

I don't know why so many self-proclamed Ape-fans in the past have
snarled and sneered to 'BATTLE'

In the DG group there's been some debate as to what's the actual running time is between both versions (86 min. & 96 mins., BTW), and in checking this out I put both on and had to watch a few seconds here and there, and I was just reminded again of what a nothing of a movie it is.  I'm sorry, but it simply lacks substance, even Roddy McDowall put it down and claimed he couldn't remember making the thing!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 8:17:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, mail@... writes:

It monumentally pisses me off when writers casually diss a
project.David Gerrold's 'somebody had to do it'about Battle quip
doesn't really gell with his interview in issue 5 of Scrolls--'In fact,
the powers that be were enormously pleased with the job I did.They felt
it was a very good book.I felt good about that because it was my first
novelisation'.Also, 'If the material is interesting, as this was, it's
a lot of fun'.Maybe Scrolls isn't canon!!? John, Scrolls.

I doubt Gerrold is going to put down BATTLE when he knows he's talking to APES fans, but for a general audience it's a different story.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/11/06 7:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_nems@... writes:

You can read the Starlog article here:
http://nemsworld.com/pota/

Look for starlog1.jpg through starlog3.jpg

Thanks.  That was interesting to read all these years later.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 10:36:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

>From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
>Subject: Re: Otto /Victor Hasslein?
>Tim, an Eric Braeden interview would be wonderful. Anybody know how to
>contact him? Who would be the best person to do the interview?

Contact the Screen Actor's Guild.  They have a free service whereby
you can call and get the phone number of an agent or manager for an
actor -- assuming he's still listed with SAG, it should be easy to find him.

Through Netflix I recently rented the entire first season of THE RAT PATROL (1966).  This was the first series done by Eric Braedon.  Of course, he was then know by his real name, Hans Gudegast.  He was made to change his name when Universal decided to star him in 1968 in COLOSSUS: THE FORBID PROJECT.  They called him in Spain where he was filming 100 RIFLES with Burt Reynolds (a film with a Jerry Goldsmith score!) and told him the name change was a condition of the deal.  Here's what "Hans" had to say about it:

"I said, 'No way' and hung up.  But I thought about it and thought about it and finally accepted it.  It was the most painful and idiotic process I ever went through.  I needed something I could identify with, so I took Braeden from the name of my village in Germany and Eric was a family name.  Universal was very good about the whole thing -- they left it all up to me.  I wouldn't have cared to go through life as Ty, Tab or Rock!"

My source for this quote is the inside cover of the COLOSSUS laserdisc.

I think I'd be the best person to interview Braeden, but I know that Joe Russo tried for his book, but because Braeden is a "big star" in Daytime TV it was impossible to get his agent to ask him to spend time being interviewed about so minor a subject in his career.  Braeden doesn't have such a large involvement with "The Young and the Restless" as he used to, but he's still a very busy guy.

Here's a bio of him from the Internet Movie Databse:

German actor in America who began his career playing Nazis and eventually became a star of daytime soap operas. Born Hans Gudegast in Kiel, Germany, during the Second World War, he was a superb athlete who excelled in track-and-field events. As a teenager he immigrated to the USA and worked in Texas and Montana as a translator, a cowhand, and a lumber millhand. His athleticism won him a scholarship to Montana State University. While attending college, he and friend Bob McKinnon made a film, The Riverbusters, about their successful attempt to be the first men to take a boat from the source to the mouth of the Salmon river and back again. He traveled to Los Angeles in hopes of finding a distributor for the documentary, but instead found that his handsome visage and accented English made him a valuable commodity as an actor. He appeared in small parts under his real name before landing the leading role of the antagonist, Captain Hans Dietrich, on the World War II TV series "The Rat Patrol" (1966). The series was a hit, and Gudegast's sympathetic German officer was very popular. He appeared in a few movies and television films thereafter in supporting roles, then was given the lead in Universal's science-fiction computer thriller Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970). His delight at this huge career boost was muted by the studio's insistence that he change his name. With extreme reluctance, he agreed and became known subsequently as Eric Braeden. Braeden worked continuously in television movies for the next decade. He also worked on Broadway and in Los Angeles area theatre. In 1980 he reluctantly accepted a role in a daytime drama, "The Young and the Restless", and gained a stardom in this medium that had just eluded him in film and primetime TV. As lead Victor Newman, Braeden brought a gravity and a strong center to the program. Amazingly handsome and athletic into his sixties, Braeden maintained the charisma that first brought him notice in "The Rat Patrol." His infrequent film work during his nearly quarter century on "The Young and the Restless" included a prominent role as John Jacob Astor in Titanic (1997). A five-time Emmy nominee for his "Y&R" role (he won in 1998), he was also nominated eleven times for the Soap Opera Digest Outstanding Leading Actor Award , winning three times. He was appointed, in 1987, along with Henry Kissinger, Paul Volker, Steffi Graf, Alexander Haig, and Katherine Graham, to the German-American Advisory Board, and in 1991 received the Federal Medal of Honor from the president of his native land, Germany. He married his college sweetheart Dale Russell in 1966. Their son, Christian Gudegast is a screenwriter.

I also know he was honored in Israel a couple years ago for some charity or other.

"Hans" was also in an episode of Ron Harper's  first TV show "Garrison's Gorillas" in 1968.

-- Rory

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I don't care about anyone. RODDY is just a TOOL in the hand of the
movie-makers, sorry to say. A magnificent tool, but always an
instrument.

In my view, BATTLE is fascinating, dark and menacing. A great movie.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/12/06 6:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > I don't know why so many self-proclamed Ape-fans in the past
have
> > snarled and sneered to 'BATTLE'
>
> In the DG group there's been some debate as to what's the actual
running time
> is between both versions (86 min. & 96 mins., BTW), and in
checking this out
> I put both on and had to watch a few seconds here and there, and I
was just
> reminded again of what a nothing of a movie it is. I'm sorry, but
it simply
> lacks substance, even Roddy McDowall put it down and claimed he
couldn't remember
> making the thing!
>
> -- Rory
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 12:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

In my view, BATTLE is fascinating, dark and menacing. A great movie.

Let me tell you something now so you can remember it later, OK?

My experience as a film buff has lead me to this general discovery;
no matter how terrible, truly bad, or obscure the movie, somewhere on the planet there's someone who loves it and thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I roam the Internet Movie Database a lot and I've come across some comments left by fans of this movie or other that have literally made my jaw drop.

So, you're love of BATTLE doesn't surprise me at all.  I understand it completely.  I don't share it -- but I understand it.

-- Rory<.html <.html

APES, listen to me, I'm the Nice Lawgiver from 2670 A.C. --->
APELINE TWO.

Our next petition is:

We brought back the restored masterpiece known as 'BATTLE FOR THE
PLANET OF THE APES', thus we should retain a SMALL amount of power
on the FOX masses, I think. Let's use it.

What's about a RE-RELEASE of (at least) the first POTA 1968 in the
American theatres ?????? Or even double bill spectacles showing the
SEQUELS paired down: BENEATH/ESCAPE; CONQUEST/BATTLE?

Let's bring back the CLASSIC SAGA in the AMERICAN THEATRES, there
are crops of new mutant teenagers who deserve to experience the
MOTHER of all the cinematic SAGAS, the PHENOMENON: POTA!


On a positive note, visit my Group:

movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/apecalypse_now

I updated the DOUBLE TIMELINE as well.

Did we forget to wish the late Jerry Goldsmith a happy birthday on Feb. 10th? Happy Birthday
old pal. I will have a drink for you.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 12:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

We brought back the restored masterpiece known as 'BATTLE FOR THE
PLANET OF THE APES', thus we should retain a SMALL amount of power
on the FOX masses, I think. Let's use it.

What's about a RE-RELEASE of (at least) the first POTA 1968 in the
American theatres ?????? Or even double bill spectacles showing the
SEQUELS paired down: BENEATH/ESCAPE; CONQUEST/BATTLE?

I would love nothing less than seeing PLANET in a theatre again, but I think the chances that Fox would do even a limited release are very, very remote.

I wouldn't waste ammo with this petition.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Actually, I think I saw the quickest flash of this scene in the DS9 re-
visit to this classic ST episode -- but I could be wrong...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of Gerrold, today's Home Page Picture is a rare still from
> the lost episode of the TV series that was written by David Gerrold.
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>

Planet of the Apes: The Ultimate DVD Collection is coming out March
28th.Here is what you will get in the DVD set.

DVD Features:

Planet Of The Apes (1968):

Charlton Heston and Roddy McDowall star in this 1968 science fiction
masterpiece. Astronaut Taylor (Heston) crash lands on a distant
planet ruled by apes who use a primitive race of humans for
experimentation and sport. Soon Taylor finds himself among the
hunted, his life in the hands of a benevolent chimpanzee scientist
(McDowall). Winner of an Honorary Academy Award® for Outstanding
Makeup Achievement and nominated for two Oscars, its grand
entertainment from its visually arresting beginning to the chilling
last moment. Frank Schaffner (1970 Academy Award® winner for Patton)
directed this film written by Rod Serling (TV's "The Twilight Zone")
and Michael Wilson (Lawrence of Arabia). Bonus materials include: •
Commentary by actors Roddy McDowall, Natalie Trundy, Kim Hunter,
composer Jerry Goldsmith, make-up artist John Chambers and Eric
Greene, author of "Planet of the Apes as American Myth" • A Second
Disc is also available in Ultimate DVD Collection which includes: •
Behind the Planet Of The Apes documentary • Behind the Planet Of The
Apes promo (1998) • Roddy McDowall home movies • Planet Of The Apes
dailies and outtakes • "Planet Of The Apes" featurette (1968) • "A
Look Behind the Planet of the Apes" (1972) featurette • "Planet Of
The Apes Make-up Test with Edward G. Robinson" featurette (1966) •
Theatrical trailers • Theatrical posters • TV Spots • Film Reviews
(1968) • Image gallery • Planet Of The Apes timeline – A DVD-Rom
feature • Mego Toy Commercial • One Easter Egg

Beneath The Planet Of The Apes:

In the acclaimed 1970 sequel to Planet of the Apes, Charlton Heston
returns as Taylor and James Franciscus is Brent, who crashes through
the time barrier searching for the missing astronaut. The daring
rescue mission leads to a subterranean city where mutant humans who
practice mind control worship a weapon capable of destroying the
entire planet. Both an action-oriented science-fiction adventure and
a wry commentary on today's world, its imaginative entertainment for
fantasy buffs of all ages. • Behind-The-Scenes Photo Gallery

Escape From Planet Of The Apes:

Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter reprise their roles from the original
Planet of the Apes in this third chapter of the Apes saga. Two
intelligent simians from the future, Cornelius (McDowall) and Zira
(Hunter) travel to present-day earth. They become instant sensations,
wined and dined and treated like celebrities - until a high-level
plot forces them to run for their lives! Featuring Ricardo Montalban
and Sal Mineo, this 1971 release is a delightful blend of humor,
social commentary and suspense.

Conquest Of Planet Of The Apes:

Colorful, futuristic sets, a relentless pace and an action-packed
climax highlight the 1972 fourth episode of the legendary Apes saga,
starring Roddy McDowall and Ricardo Montalban. The time is the near
future. Apes have supplanted dogs and cats as household pets and
replaced servants as personal assistants - until their continual
mistreatment provokes one advanced ape from the future, Caesar
(McDowall), to lead a spectacular revolt. It's thrilling science-
fiction that offers both a serious message and stirring
entertainment.

Battle For The Planet Of The Apes:

The final confrontation? Roddy McDowall and Claude Akins star in the
fifth and last chapter of the original legendary Apes saga. Set in
2670 A.D., an idyllic society of man and ape is threatened by both a
militant gorilla (Akins) and a tribe of still-intelligent mutant
humans. Finally, simmering tensions dividing the primates erupt in an
apocalyptic climax. When the smoke clears the carnage is everywhere,
but there is hope for a new beginning for man and ape. John Huston,
Paul Williams and Lew Ayres co-star in this 1973 release. Below
titles are available in Ultimate DVD Collection.

Planet Of The Apes TV Series (1974):

After their spacecraft travels through a time warp, two astronauts
(Ron Harper, James Naughton) from 1981 crash-land back on Earth in
the year 3085-a time when intelligent apes rule and humans have been
reduced to servants or pets. Captured by the apes and sentenced to
death, they are saved by a curious chimpanzee named Galen (Roddy
McDowall). But now all three are on the run, trying to keep one step
ahead of the gorilla army led by General Urko (Mark Lenard), who is
determined to kill the renegades. On four discs, DVD specifics
include: • Episodes: Escape From Tomorrow, The Gladiators, The Trap,
The Good Seeds, The Legacy, Tomorrow's Tide, The Surgeon, The
Dragoons, The Horse Ride, The Interrogation, The Tyrant, The Cure,
The Liberator (Never aired during original show run on TV), Up Above
The World So High • TV Spots • Still Photos

Return To The Planet Of The Apes Animated TV Series (1975):

From the Oscar®-winning creators of "The Pink Panther" (David H.
DePatie & Friz Freleng) comes this high-concept 70s cartoon that
returns you to the heart of mankind's greatest adventure! Populated
by familiar characters from the Planet of the Apes films and TV
series – including Cornelius, Zira and General Urko – this classic
animated series pits humans against a world of apes who are more
advanced than ever! Three astronauts – Bill Hudson, Jeff Carter and
Judy Franklin – find themselves stranded in a future where apes drive
the cars, fly the planes…and wage an epic war on their primitive
human neighbors. Attempting to keep one step ahead of the apes and
protect the other humans, the astronauts search for the reason their
world went so awry, hoping one day to find their way back home. On
two discs, DVD specifics include: • Episodes: Flames Of Doom, Escape
From Ape City, The Unearthly Prophecy, Tunnel Of Fear, Lagoon Of
Peril, Terror On Ice Mountain, River Of Flames, Screaming Wings,
Trail To The Unknown, Attack From The Clouds, Mission Of Mercy,
Invasion Of The Underdwellers, and Battle Of The Titans

Planet Of The Apes (2001):

In the year 2029, interstellar reconnaissance missions are relegated
to chimpanzee pilots from the Space Station Oberon in deep space. On
such a mission, a chimp loses communication and vanishes from the
radar. Fearless astronaut Leo Davidson launches a rescue mission and,
following a malfunction, lands on a jungle-like planet not unlike the
Earth. To Leo's astonishment, English-speaking apes and primitive
humans inhabit the planet. Following his capture by the apes and
subsequent escape, Leo assembles a small band of defiant humans and
empathetic apes in an attempt to re-establish contact with Oberon,
but his focus changes following an unexpected discovery. Armed with
this new information, Leo leads a rebellion against an overpowering
ape force that will result in freedom or complete annihilation. On
two discs, bonus materials include: • Feature includes enhanced
viewing mode with interactive examinations of make-up, special
effects, cast/crew and location shooting • Six Documentaries – Ape
School, Make-Up Testing, Costume Testing, Shooting On Location,
Scoring The Film and Ape Movement • Eight interactive multi-angle
sequences • Four quadrangle audio split vignettes of make-up testing,
reactive testing, costume testing and apes movement/stunt testing •
Five extended scenes • HBO "The Making Of" Special • TV Spots •
Theatrical trailers • Music Video A recognized global industry
leader, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment LLC is the worldwide
marketing, sales and distribution company for all Fox film and
television programming on VHS and DVD as well as video acquisitions
and original productions. Each year the Company introduces hundreds
of new and newly enhanced products, which it services to retail
outlets – from mass merchants and warehouse clubs to specialty stores
and e-commerce – throughout the world. Twentieth Century Fox Home
Entertainment LLC is a subsidiary of T wentieth Century Fox Film
Corporation, a News Corporation company.

This looks like something any fan of the movies will want to add to
their collection.I know I want to get a copy.
Scott

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Just before I head for the hills, anybody heard any more about the
planned line from Palisades? Any more coming from Sideshow? John,
Scrolls.PS, I emailed the Rittenhouse people to say Scrolls would
publicise any new trading cards and I had a thankyou back that DIDN'T
say there wouldn't be any more.Is it worth us bombarding these guys to
see if they'll do more--a TV Series set maybe? James succeeded with the
uncut Battle and we don't want the guy getting lazy! John,Scrolls.

 I would definately buy tv series cards. Elaine

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Excellent, looks like we can have the sort of debate that Doctor Who
fans live for--what is canon and what isn't.I'm ready to be blown to
bits by this particular canon, but, for me, the novels are canon.Apes
started with Boulle's novel and everything after is just an
interpretation of the original novel.The movie novels are my canon
because they are fuller, more detailed and, frankly, better than their
respective movies.Conquest and Escape,in particular, are the true
chronicle of those tales, and are more vivid, engaging and moving than
the movies.The four TV Series adaptations are canon, in my view as they
are more faithful to the spirit of the original scripts and fully
delineate the three main characters in ways that the series itself
failed to do.Likewise with the three adaptations of the animated series-
- excellent stories that bring thses otherwise two dimensional
characters to life.Finally, the 2001 Apes novels---two are never seen
on film, neither are the two teen novels--they are the only source for
those tales and, by definition, must be canon.Just my view. I'm running
for the hills now. John. 

  What I like about the pota novels is, the stories and characters are developed more fully. This is difficult to do with the time limits of movies and tv. Elaine

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To All Members:

The Owners and Moderators of our "POTA" site wish to welcome you to our
new sister site: "POTA Marketplace"...

For some time we have wanted to set-up a place where people could
easily go to sell/trade/buy POTA merchandise and services...Well, now
we have it!...

And it is very easy (thanks to our resident computer genius, James
Aquila), just click on the banner at the "POTA Home page"...Then,
follow the simple "Instructions" to take you through the "Database
Section"...That's it!...There's no eBay fees, no time limits -- no
limits whatsoever!...

We just ask everyone to please play nice, okay?...Enjoy!...

G

>
> Let me tell you something now so you can remember it later, OK?
>
> My experience as a film buff has lead me to this general discovery;
> no matter how terrible, truly bad, or obscure the movie, somewhere

on the

> planet there's someone who loves it and thinks it's the greatest

thing since

> sliced bread.

Dear Rory,

Stamp this all over your (delicate) mental structures.

I watched MILLIONS of movies. I'm a semi-professional sci-fi writer,
that's my job, but also a very insightful "movie buff" for vocation.

BATTLE is a very enjoyable movie, filled with an undeniable flavour
and much, much more "vibe" than the MOST of the crappy blockbuster
movies released today.

BATTLE is a very good movie by ALL technical means, except for the
fact that it could have been more developed story-wise, even longer
in terms of length.

Don't treat me like a nuts, please. I am not.

Best wishes,

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

> BATTLE is a very enjoyable movie, filled with an undeniable flavour
> and much, much more "vibe" than the MOST of the crappy blockbuster
> movies released today.

I have to agree with this...Today, Hollywood basically cranks
out "cookie-cutter" replicas of old TV shows and weak/no plot films...

>
> BATTLE is a very good movie by ALL technical means, except for the
> fact that it could have been more developed story-wise, even longer
> in terms of length.

I remember seeing the full version, complete with the bomb sequences,
on TV...That's basically all the more development the story needs,
IMHO...=)...Can't wait for the DVD release!...

G

He should be listed...isn't he on some soap opera?

--- Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> >From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
> >Subject: Re: Otto /Victor Hasslein?
> >Tim, an Eric Braeden interview would be wonderful.
> Anybody know how to
> >contact him? Who would be the best person to do the
> interview?
>
> Contact the Screen Actor's Guild. They have a free
> service whereby
> you can call and get the phone number of an agent or
> manager for an
> actor -- assuming he's still listed with SAG, it
> should be easy to find him.
>
>
>
>
>

They got an online team for the DVD set and they're giving away copies
of the set and many other prizes.
You can check it out here.
http://planetoftheapes.fanfly.net/?C1563_210374

Scott

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In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:36:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

My experience as a film buff has lead me to this general discovery;
no matter how terrible, truly bad, or obscure the movie, somewhere on the planet there's someone who loves it and thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

 

Yeah, that's true.  I'm around other film students every day,

and I'm amazed by some of the lame movies that they like.

Still, I like Bad Japanese Monster Movies, which I'm sure

many people cant's stand, so who am I to talk?  And

really good DVD's can be hard to find.  But I highly

recommending Kamikaze Girls to everyone for the

last six months. The English sub was released last

month. If you haven't seen it yet, you should.

It's the best movie I've seen in a year. 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/12/2006 12:24:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I would love nothing less than seeing PLANET in a theatre again, but

 

Don't you mean you would love nothing more than seeing planet in the theater again?

 

 

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I heard palisades closed their doors.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> Just before I head for the hills, anybody heard any more about the
> planned line from Palisades? Any more coming from Sideshow? John,
> Scrolls.PS, I emailed the Rittenhouse people to say Scrolls would
> publicise any new trading cards and I had a thankyou back that DIDN'T
> say there wouldn't be any more.Is it worth us bombarding these guys
to
> see if they'll do more--a TV Series set maybe? James succeeded with
the
> uncut Battle and we don't want the guy getting lazy! John,Scrolls.
>

If you despise Battle so, why are you so adamant about the theatrical
version being the only "true" version?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/12/06 12:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > In my view, BATTLE is fascinating, dark and menacing. A great
movie.
> >
> >
>
> Let me tell you something now so you can remember it later, OK?
>
> My experience as a film buff has lead me to this general discovery;
> no matter how terrible, truly bad, or obscure the movie, somewhere
on the
> planet there's someone who loves it and thinks it's the greatest
thing since
> sliced bread. I roam the Internet Movie Database a lot and I've
come across some
> comments left by fans of this movie or other that have literally
made my jaw
> drop.
>
> So, you're love of BATTLE doesn't surprise me at all. I understand
it
> completely. I don't share it -- but I understand it.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Still, I like Bad Japanese Monster Movies, which I'm sure
> many people cant's stand, so who am I to talk?

I absolutely luv the old Toho Japanese Monster movies!...You can give
me Godzilla, Ghidora, Gamera, et al, over most of today's movies, any
day...=)

G

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The name of the soap is called "The Young and The Restless" which is on the CBS network. 

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"hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>>My feelings exactly, Chris...Thank you... <<

You're welcome Glen.


Chris L.

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>>I seem to recall they promised TV spots when the TV show was first

put out on
DVD -- and we didn't get them.  I wouldn't be all that sure we'll get them
this time either.  I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Maybe we should ask Steve Feldstein to confirm this stuff too. <<

>>Well, I'm planning on e-mailing that Steve Feldstein person at

Fox.com and
telling him they should think about these things for future HD versions. << <.html

Ditto for me. In fact, I respect Rory for sticking to his guns on that
one. Now though, both versions are available on DVD (since you can very
easily pick up a copy of that "limited" Evolution Box Set), so now fans
can have whichever version they want.

Oddly enough my signature never made it to the petition, though that's
simply because I thought I had already signed it. If the page is still
up, can someone send me the url?


Chris L.



"hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>>You're right, James...Let me clarify that I did not mean individuals

who had legitimate reasons for their choice... <<


"James" JamesA1102@... wrote:

>> To be fair, there were some people who had legitimate reasons for

not signing the petition. Rory for example feels that the theatrical
version of BATTLE is the 'official' version. I may not agree with
him but respect his opinion. <<

<veetus@...> wrote:

>>I also talked to Cameron in person and he said

the script would be a "synthesis of the first two movies and some new
ideas". There's been rumors what his script would've been but you have to
take that with a grain of salt. <<


Do you have any specifics you can post?


Chris L.

Another thing to look for in the new Conquest master- The original
Laserdisc pressing the film opens with the 20th Century Fox logo, then
dissolves to the Cinemascope Logo, fades out, then fades in to the
North America 1991 opening of the film. The THX master trimmed this,
just fading into the film's North America opening. Why? I don't know,
but I hope it returns in this master.

"shanter2002" <mail@...>

>>I wonder why Jerry Pournelle changed Hasslein's name from Otto to

Victor? I also woner why I didn't think to ask him when Scrolls
interviewed him! It's 'Otto' in the comics(including Revolution) and
the original script and movie, but it's 'Victor' in the novel.Maybe
there's an ironic meaning in the name 'Victor'? <<

Any way you could get in touch and ask him?

I think the original Marvel timeline also lists him as Victor instead of
Otto.

>>I used to view Hasslein

as a pure bad guy, having first encountered Escape in the Marvel
comic,where Rico Rival draws him as a deranged madman.The novel softens
him a lot, with the back story about his son, and Braeden in the movie
really gives a layered, tortured man of duty, performance.I now kind of
like Hasslein and can understand his motives, even if I don't agree
with his aims and methods.Funny how we change as we get older. <<


Greg and I were discussing this when we met up at the MegoCon in 2004.
One of the best scenes in ESCAPE is where the President and Hasslein are
debating what to do about Cornelius & Zira's unborn child. Hasslein's
whole "Am I obeying God's will or defying it?" pondering really go a long
way to humanize him (to a point, anyway). He's a very interesting
character, and in one sense fits in with that "No one person is 100% good
or 100% evil" character philosophy that David Milch uses.

For some reason, it seems very apropos that this scene took place during
the night. The fates of three individuals being debated in a partially
lit office while the rest of the world sleeps. It adds a little more
atmosphere to the film.


Chris L.

Here you go Chris: http://www.petitiononline.com/Battle/petition.html"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Ditto for me. In fact, I respect Rory for sticking to his guns on
that
> one. Now though, both versions are available on DVD (since you can
very
> easily pick up a copy of that "limited" Evolution Box Set), so now
fans
> can have whichever version they want.
>
> Oddly enough my signature never made it to the petition, though
that's
> simply because I thought I had already signed it. If the page is
still
> up, can someone send me the url?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> >>You're right, James...Let me clarify that I did not mean
individuals
> who had legitimate reasons for their choice... <<
>
>
> "James" JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> >> To be fair, there were some people who had legitimate reasons
for
> not signing the petition. Rory for example feels that the
theatrical
> version of BATTLE is the 'official' version. I may not agree with
> him but respect his opinion. <<
>

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:32:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I absolutely luv the old Toho Japanese Monster movies!...You can give
me Godzilla, Ghidora, Gamera, et al, over most of today's movies, any
day...=)

 

Then you need to see Latitude Zero, and fast!

 

 

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Please do NOT put Digest Number 2512, or whatever in the Subject Line!

That designations is Meaningless!  Especially when reading a reply.

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:47:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

More or less...

 

Either you don't know what you mean,

or you don't know how to express yourself

properly . . . more or less.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:48:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD.

 

That's an old saying, but here's a new one . . .

 

"If I like it, that's good enough for me.

And everyone else can Feck Off!"

                   

                                       T

 

Besides, if I cared what others considered good,

I certainly wouldn't be into The Planet of the Apes,

because a lot of people don't, and some who do

won't admit it.  Luckily the opinion of others

is not as important to me as my own.

 

 

 

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/13/06 2:40:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:47:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

More or less...

Either you don't know what you mean,
or you don't know how to express yourself
properly . . . more or less.



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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/12/06 8:40:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Dear Rory,

Stamp this all over your (delicate) mental structures.

I watched MILLIONS of movies. I'm a semi-professional sci-fi writer,
that's my job, but also a very insightful "movie buff" for vocation.

BATTLE is a very enjoyable movie, filled with an undeniable flavour
and much, much more "vibe" than the MOST of the crappy blockbuster
movies released today.

BATTLE is a very good movie by ALL technical means, except for the
fact that it could have been more developed story-wise, even longer
in terms of length.

Don't treat me like a nuts, please. I am not.

Best wishes,

T.C.

Dear T.C.,

You obviously have very strong opinions -- such as that I'm treating you like a nut, which I don't think is the case -- but your opinion doesn't make a thing so.

The vast majority of opinion, from fans, film buffs and movie critics, is that BATTLE is a bad, weak, substandard, or, at best, a mediocre movie.

Now, you can say you don't care what anyone else says, but then "Who cares?"  Only you.

He's a quote I think you should read:

"I was never happy with it, and we were struggling the whole time.  Probably in the editing room we continued that struggle -- juggle some scenes, cut some others too ruthlessly.  Then we found we had a short film and I think we started to build up the beginning by going over other thoughts.  I consider it a mess.  I was very upset.  And it was a cheap film."  Page 217, "Planet of the Apes Revisited"

Those words are from BATTLE's director J. Lee Thompson.

Now, as a serious film buff, as an adult and not just some aging 10-year-old, and as a fan of PLANET OF THE APES... when the director of BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES tells me "I consider it a mess,"... guess what?

IT'S A MESS!

-- Rory

P.S.

If you love BATTLE and think it's a great movie, good for you and good for the movie -- it's loved.  But, you're in the minority and that's simply an unpleasant fact you should learn to live with, I'm afraid.  And I agree with you that most so-called "Blockbusters" today are crap -- most movies today are crap! -- but that doesn't suddenly turn BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES into a great movie.<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/13/06 2:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

if I cared what others considered good,
I certainly wouldn't be into The Planet of the Apes,
because a lot of people don't, and some who do
won't admit it.  Luckily the opinion of others
is not as important to me as my own.

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 2:08:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

And no man is an island, T!

"I am a rock,
I am an island."

 

Simon & Garfunkle

 

~~~

 

Lord Lambourn: Is this an island?

I thought this was an atoll.
Dr. Gilpin: Not at all.

Lord Lambourn: No, more of an ismus.

 

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You always quote the classics.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

Lord Lambourn : Is this an island?
I thought this was an atoll.
Dr. Gilpin: Not at all.
Lord Lambourn: No, more of an ismus.

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 2:10:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

T, get real.

 

Rory, get bent.

 

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If this is going to be a group project we should hurry...
For me, I'd like to see:
POTA: Zira and Lucius getting stopped by the hunting party...Nova
pregnant...
BTPOTA: The half mutant/half chimp child...I know there are stills
and costume/make-up footage, but was it filmed?...The mutant
gorillas...
EFTPOTA: The opening sequence where the AO Bomb goes "blooey"!...
COTPOTA: The opening sequence with the renagade chimp being
murdered...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
> Haristas@... wrote:

> Maybe we should ask Steve Feldstein to confirm this stuff too. <<

> Should we, as a group, make up a list of all the related material
we know
> about and then suggest it for each film?

What's "Latitude Zero"?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/13/2006 12:32:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
> I absolutely luv the old Toho Japanese Monster movies!...You can
give
> me Godzilla, Ghidora, Gamera, et al, over most of today's movies,
any
> day...=)
>
>
>
> Then you need to see Latitude Zero, and fast!
>

> The vast majority of opinion, from fans, film buffs and movie

critics, is

> that BATTLE is a bad, weak, substandard, or, at best, a mediocre

movie.

Movie critics are mediocre people at their best. Film buffs are so-
so nerds who don't understand anything and pretend to be believed
when they claim to know everything. Fans? Who does care about them?
They are vocal about WHAT they like, and what they like is sometimes
just a little part of the whole. Which is a shame.

>
> Those words are from BATTLE's director J. Lee Thompson.

A movie is an independent creature. Period.

>> If you love BATTLE and think it's a great movie, good for you and

good for

> the movie -- it's loved. But, you're in the minority and that's

simply an

> unpleasant fact you should learn to live with, I'm afraid.

BATTLE is a masterpiece in my book, and the most of people in this
board agrees with me that it is AT LEAST a good movie. So man,
you're preaching about minorities... but that's just what are you
NOW!


Your beloved T.C.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/13/06 6:57:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

BATTLE is a masterpiece in my book, and the most of people in this
board agrees with me that it is AT LEAST a good movie. So man,
you're preaching about minorities... but that's just what are you
NOW!


Your beloved T.C.

Anyone who states emphatically that BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a masterpiece... well... that's someone who simply can't be argued with.

Nope, no way.  It can't be done.

-- Rory<.html <.html

So what do you think about it? (worried about the responses...
Bbbrrrr) LOL.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:

>
> Okay,
>
> Premise: do not reply to this message by 'unspoiling' new flubs,
> because NO-ONE has really the right to 'taint' the memory of these
> fantastic, cosmical, PERFECT MOVIES. Okay? I'm not joking.
>
> Days ago, I thought and meditated about the 'flub' (???? I don't
> really see it like a blooper; the scenes are really fast-moving,

and

> those mistakes are really ininfluent and unnoticeable) of

the "real

> mouth" you can spot in the interrogation scene (ESCAPE - chapter
> III) and in the 'Fight Like Apes!' scene (BATTLE - chapter V). I
> felt very depressed, I always considered the MAKE-UP in POTA as

the

> greatest achievement EVER in that specific sector.
>
> Then, mechanisms in my mind started to move in the right

direction...

>
> ... and NOW!
>
> The Humanoid Apes are supposed to have a more "carnivourous-
> oriented" facial conformation, and that implies their tooth aren't
> so similar to those of the "COMMON" monkeys or apes. That's pretty
> obvious to me. They can speak, after all.
> Now... both the SCENES mentioned above... involve... the same
> GENETIC BRANCH! ZIRA and CAESAR are mother & son! What a beautiful
> illumination I had!
> The 'soft pulp' of their dental apparatus is genetically designed

to

> be more prominent in comparison with the other Humanoid Apes, it's
> just a TRAIT of their genome (By the way, I'm not saying they are
> Mutants! Just SLIGHTLY different from the other Humanoid Apes.

After

> all, are we HUMANS all the same ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). So when they
> panicked or are way too much hungry, they open the mouth in a way
> you can SLIGHTLY, BARELY see the 'soft pulp' (the real mouth, but
> it's very unnoticeable).
>
> As far as concerned Cornelius's bare neck (or wists, for instance)
> well... do the H-APES ocasionally shave some parts of their

bodies?

> I think so!
>
> T.C.
>

Rory,

You convinced me. Your argumentations are fantastic!

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/13/06 6:57:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > BATTLE is a masterpiece in my book, and the most of people in
this
> > board agrees with me that it is AT LEAST a good movie. So man,
> > you're preaching about minorities... but that's just what are
you
> > NOW!
> >
> >
> > Your beloved T.C.
> >
>
> Anyone who states emphatically that BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE
APES is a
> masterpiece... well... that's someone who simply can't be argued
with.
>
> Nope, no way. It can't be done.
>
> -- Rory
>

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>Did he have Perfect Hair?

Wow, an AS & a Warren Zevon reference in one! <<


What cat suit? :-D


Chris L.

These two:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/young_old.jpg

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/chimp.jpeg


Look the most like 'classic' Apes. Thanks Tim!!


Chris L.

>>One thing is true, the petition and thus the voice of the fans did get

noticed by FOX. Whether it resulted in the uncut Battle to be released
or just alerted FOX that it was a selling point for the new releases,
FOX did respond to the fans. That is something that all the fans who
signed the petition and helped promote it, as well as those fans who've
been writing letters to FOX for years, can take pride in. <<

Absolutely. Well put James.

>>In regard to starting an effort to get FOX to release more deleted

scenes and other extras for the 40th Anniversary in 2 years, Roger
Alford of the Forbidden Zone site along with a few others are in the
process of organizing a campaign. We'll keep you posted and let everyone
know what they can do to support the effort. <<


Guess that answers the question I asked previously. :-)


Chris L

You're right! I totally forgot it was TODDAO. But the logo wasn't
just on the laserdisc. Every television print I saw pre-home video,
had the silent Fox logo to Cinescope dissolve. I never saw the film
in the theatre. Was it on the theatrical print?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:53:11 -0000
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ultimate Conquest
>
> Another thing to look for in the new Conquest master- The original
> Laserdisc pressing the film opens with the 20th Century Fox logo,
then
> dissolves to the Cinemascope Logo, fades out, then fades in to the
> North America 1991 opening of the film. The THX master trimmed
this,
> just fading into the film's North America opening. Why? I don't
know,
> but I hope it returns in this master.
>
> No you don't!!! That was a mistake on the old laserdisc! I don't
know why it was there. CONQUEST was shot in ToddAO-35 and originally
opened without even the Fox logo and fanfare.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm
> for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos,
Trading
> Cards and much, much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

I must have misread the post, or someone misquoted you, because I
thought someone said you didn't sign the battle petition because you
didn't want the extended cut.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:32:06 -0000
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: We Did It!!!! Extended Battle
sets the things st...
>
>
> If you despise Battle so, why are you so adamant about the
theatrical
> version being the only "true" version?
>
> Can't say, since I've never said that.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm
> for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos,
Trading
> Cards and much, much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:38:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

What's "Latitude Zero"?...

 

What is Latitude Zero?  Only the Citizen Kane of

Japanese Monster Movies!  In fact, it has one of

the stars of Citizen Kane in it -- Joseph Cotton,

not to mention the ubiquitous Richard Jaeckel.

And it has Cesar Romero, The Joker from the

Batman show, as a mad scientist.  Throw in

a flying submarine and a flying lion and you

have one of one of Toho Studios finest!

Check it out!

 

Ido zero daisakusen (1969)

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:39:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

BTPOTA: The half mutant/half chimp child...I know there are stills
and costume/make-up footage, but was it filmed?...

 

No.  It was decided a hybrid child was too controversial

even for the sexually liberated 60's.  I don't think he was

half mutant though.  Just regular human.

 

 

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Sounds perfectly campy -- I'll definitely have to check it
out!...Thanks...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:38:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
> What's "Latitude Zero"?...
>
>
>
> What is Latitude Zero? Only the Citizen Kane of
> Japanese Monster Movies! In fact, it has one of
> the stars of Citizen Kane in it -- Joseph Cotton,
> not to mention the ubiquitous Richard Jaeckel.
> And it has Cesar Romero, The Joker from the
> Batman show, as a mad scientist. Throw in
> a flying submarine and a flying lion and you
> have one of one of Toho Studios finest!
> Check it out!
>
> _Ido zero daisakusen (1969)_ (http://imdb.com/title/tt0064470/)
>

I always assumed he was part mutant because all of the shots were in
the underground New York sets...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:39:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
> BTPOTA: The half mutant/half chimp child...I know there are stills
> and costume/make-up footage, but was it filmed?...
>
>
>
> No. It was decided a hybrid child was too controversial
> even for the sexually liberated 60's. I don't think he was
> half mutant though. Just regular human.
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/13/06 11:21:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

You're right! I totally forgot it was TODDAO. But the logo wasn't
just on the laserdisc. Every television print I saw pre-home video,
had the silent Fox logo to Cinescope dissolve. I never saw the film
in the theatre. Was it on the theatrical print?

NO!
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In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:57:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

nerds who don't understand anything and pretend to be believed
when they claim to know everything.

 

You can't pretend to be believed.

What the does that even mean?

 

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/13/06 11:22:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

What is Latitude Zero?  Only the Citizen Kane of
Japanese Monster Movies!  In fact, it has one of
the stars of Citizen Kane in it -- Joseph Cotton,
not to mention the ubiquitous Richard Jaeckel.
And it has Cesar Romero, The Joker from the
Batman show, as a mad scientist.  Throw in
a flying submarine and a flying lion and you
have one of one of Toho Studios finest!
Check it out!

Ido zero daisakusen (1969)

I've never seen it!  Sounds better than BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES!  I have to see if Netflix has it!

-- Rory

P.S.

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 5:41:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Go hunting with Dick Chaney, T!

 

First of all I don't like hunting. 

Second, I no longer shoot animals.

Third, if you woke me up early and

made me go out in the cold and I

have a loaded gun in my hands

You're just asking for trouble.

 

 

 

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