>
> Yeah, Paul Muni never played Chan, and it was Peter Lorre who was

>
> But, THE GOOD EARTH is one of my favorite movies!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 3:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Let's Cast Pierre Boulle's Planet of the

>
>
> In a message dated 9/15/2006 1:02:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Paul Muny
>
> Sorry, but though Paul Muni did play Wang Lung, in The Good Earth,
> I can't find any instance of him playing Charlie Chan. He was,

> one of Kim Hunter's neighbors back when she was living in Los

>
>
> I knew he played a chinaman...Right era... Wrong

>
> Rewatching ESCAPE I noticed they never really explain how the shock

> threw the ship back in time. In other SF, like Star Trek, there is
> usually some scientific sounding explaination. But in ESCAPE both

> and Hasslien gloss over it saying the shock wave caused it but not
> exactly how. Does anyone have any theories?
>

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [POTA] Re: Birthday Reminder
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:11:38 EDT
>
>
> > Roddy McDowall's Birthday
> > Date: Sunday September 17, 2006
> > Time: All Day
> >
>
>
><< cornelius.jpg >>

> In a message dated 9/17/2006 6:42:36 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
> It was a "Bright, white light"... (Zira; under
> anesthesia).
> There really was no explanation...
> They JUST were...
> Don't analyze.
> Just go with it...
> They were blown away by the Earth's
> destruction...Thrown into
> another time by the sheer atomic blast...
> I would conjecture that the Alpha Omega bomb was not
> atomic in Nat at all. It
> was a chemical device that set off a chain reaction
> when detonated in the
> atmosphere.
>
> What the aponauts saw was not a blast, but the
> atmosphere of the Earth
> burning off -- leaving not a trace of life. Remember
> the final narration of BENEATH
> said that the Earth itself was not destroyed -- but
> dead.
>
> At to what drove them backwards in time rather than
> further into the future
> -- you're going to have to ask Dr Hasslien...
>
> Bill
>

>
>I've just looked up the POTA "Ultimate DVD Collection" with Ape Head
>Packaging on Amazon.com and I've found the following review by Michael
>Rodgers "Mego
>73." Is that who I'm talking to here? Anyway, this is some of the
>comments he
>left:
>
>It appears that Fox used pre-existing transfers for most of Return. They
>lack
>the look of a full high definition remaster like was done for most of
>Spiderman the 1967 cartoon.
>
>The print quality on these old school transfers is colorful but worn
>looking.
>It will still be better than anything you can get bootleg but not a home
>run
>by any means.
>
>But at 3 episodes: "Tunnel Of Fear", "River Of Flames" and "Mission Of
>Mercy"
>that have undergone the full high definition transfer treatment. These
>episodes are so clear you can often see the brush strokes on the art and
>they are
>cleaned up nice too.
>
>I don't know why they remastered only a few shows without doing the whole
>thing. Perhaps they were unable to locate 35mm prints for most of the shows
>and
>if so, it just isn't worth it to do a high def transfer of 16 mm if you
>already
>have a fairly decent transfer already on hand. Or perhaps those are High
>def
>transfers of 16mm prints. Who knows?
>
>Well, if this is true -- and I don't doubt it -- then I guess Fox has
>screwed
>the fans again, because all the cartoon episodes on the new separate 2-disc
>DVD set are mastered from 35mm sources.
>I guarantee it. So, go out and buy them all over again and remember --
>next
>time just wait and see!
>
>This Michael Rodgers left a much more interesting comment about the PLANET
>transfer:
>
>20th Century Fox is at work on making a full film restoration to "Planet Of
>The Apes" (I saw a print with the pieces restored so far recently). But the
>Apes films here all are done with video based restoration which is fine for
>DVD.
>
>Now, I already knew this was the case, but this is further conformation, or
>maybe "Mego 73" has already reported it here? (I don't know, I forget
>these
>things.)
>
>All this means is means is I know now more than ever that when PLANET comes
>out in Blu-ray or HD DVD it'll probably be -- better be -- an all new
>transfer!
> In other words, another thing to buy and more money to Fox!
>
>Oh, well!
>
>-- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> OK, I checked episodes "Tunnel of Fear," "River of
> Flames," and "Mission of
> Mercy."
>
> They all look like they're from 35mm elements
> alright, BUT so do all the
> other episodes on the separate 2-disc RETURN DVD set
> just released.
>
> We're you saying that on the two cartoon series
> discs you got with the
> Ultimate "Ape Head" Edition only those three
> episodes looked to be from 35mm and all
> the others from 16mm?
>
> If so, guess what?
>
> You need to buy the new edition! Isn't Fox
> wonderful?
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I've just looked up the POTA "Ultimate DVD Collection" with Ape
Head
> Packaging on Amazon.com and I've found the following review by
Michael Rodgers "Mego
> 73." Is that who I'm talking to here? Anyway, this is some of
the comments he
> left:
>
> It appears that Fox used pre-existing transfers for most of
Return. They lack
> the look of a full high definition remaster like was done for most
of
> Spiderman the 1967 cartoon.
>
> The print quality on these old school transfers is colorful but
worn looking.
> It will still be better than anything you can get bootleg but not
a home run
> by any means.
>
> But at 3 episodes: "Tunnel Of Fear", "River Of Flames"
and "Mission Of Mercy"
> that have undergone the full high definition transfer treatment.
These
> episodes are so clear you can often see the brush strokes on the
art and they are
> cleaned up nice too.
>
> I don't know why they remastered only a few shows without doing
the whole
> thing. Perhaps they were unable to locate 35mm prints for most of
the shows and
> if so, it just isn't worth it to do a high def transfer of 16 mm
if you already
> have a fairly decent transfer already on hand. Or perhaps those
are High def
> transfers of 16mm prints. Who knows?
>
> Well, if this is true -- and I don't doubt it -- then I guess Fox
has screwed
> the fans again, because all the cartoon episodes on the new
separate 2-disc
> DVD set are mastered from 35mm sources.
> I guarantee it. So, go out and buy them all over again and
remember -- next
> time just wait and see!
>
> This Michael Rodgers left a much more interesting comment about
the PLANET
> transfer:
>
> 20th Century Fox is at work on making a full film restoration
to "Planet Of
> The Apes" (I saw a print with the pieces restored so far
recently). But the
> Apes films here all are done with video based restoration which is
fine for DVD.
>
> Now, I already knew this was the case, but this is further
conformation, or
> maybe "Mego 73" has already reported it here? (I don't know, I
forget these
> things.)
>
> All this means is means is I know now more than ever that when
PLANET comes
> out in Blu-ray or HD DVD it'll probably be -- better be -- an all
new transfer!
> In other words, another thing to buy and more money to Fox!
>
> Oh, well!
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> In a message dated 9/17/06 10:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JLKINSER1970@... writes:
>
>
> > Hey Rory, Does the cartoons on the stand alone set look good? On

> > Ultimate release, a few of the episodes in the end kept going in

> > out of focus. Does the new set, the stand alone set, do this?
> > John
> >
>
> What the F**K?!!!!! Am I the only one on the planet that's gotten

> yet? Did Fox make sure Amazon sent it to me before anyone else?
>
> YES! YES! YES! It looks "God Damn You All To Hell!" Fantastic!

> listen up! It's OK to buy this!
>
> Now go buy it like good little POTA fans!
>
> Jeez, and I don't even like the cartoon series that much!
>
> -- Rory
>

>> Now here is the real question Rory; Are you going to make one of your
>> awesome DVD covers for the cartoon series that will look better than
>> the Fox cover???

> I thought about it for all of two seconds. Is it really worth my
> time? Aren't there good ones by Hunter or somebody?

>
> Now go buy it like good little POTA fans!
>

> Also, does anyone know why Netflix doesn't offer Return to the Planet
> of the Apes for rental? I'd like to see them, but I am really cheap.

>
> Hello all. I'm new here so I apologize in advance if I ask a

> that was discussed and answered last week/month/year. Just wanted

> say that it's cool to find Ape Heads that are still around.
> Now, has anyone who's read the "Revolution on the Planet of the

> comic noticed some of the continuity flaws? (Sub question: Are they
> continuity flaws, or is my mind just a little fried from too much

> on Breck's training table?)Such as: The Alpha Omega bomb is (in the
> comic) in an underground bunker in San Diego, but then it's (in
> Beneath) in an undergound church in what was New York. Also, didn't
> Lisa say "no" to Caesar in Conquest? If so, then why was he waiting
> for her to speak in Revolution (maybe he didn't hear her, it was

> noisy)?
> I'm sorry if these questions are unusually geeky. Feel free to

> me to the Forbidden Zone (which is, ironically, Jersey).
> Also, does anyone know why Netflix doesn't offer Return to the

> of the Apes for rental? I'd like to see them, but I am really

> Well, that's all for now.
>
> -James
>

>
> Just because it's such a big part of the next story idea we're playing
> with...
>
> We're VERY aware that the bomb is starting in a completely different

> the continent than it ends up in.
>
> Not an accident.
>
> As for Lisa talking....all she said was "No". Hardly conversational

> as yet. And at the start of our story, the next day, it's still the

> word she's said.
>
> Ty
>

>
>
> Got the final issue last night and all I can say is outstanding.

>
>
> Got the final issue last night and all I can say is outstanding. I

> want to ruin things for anyone so I won't go into specifics. The

> story is brought to an exciting climax that sets up the events in
> Battle. My only nitpik is a slight over use of classic POTA quotes.
>
> The back-up story is one that will statisfy both circular &

> timeline aficionados as well as being a nice little prequel to

>
> In the letters section, while the first letter is from some crazy

> member, our good friend John Roche has a letter published. The good

> is that the next series "Empire on the Planet of the Apes" was
> announced. Can't wait for that after the great job MR did with
> Revolution.
>
> And finally, there is a tribute to Neil Foster with two of Neil's

> featured. Congratulations Neil. Hopefully MR will use Neil as a
> contributing artist on the Empire series.
>
> If Ty & Joe are out there, once again great job guys. When you get

> time please stop by and fill us in on the new Empire series.
>

> Hunter can now certainly throw out all his DVD copies of EP recorded WPIX
> crap

> Didn't I tell you to "just say no to head"?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> Just because it's such a big part of the next story idea we're
playing
> with...
>
> We're VERY aware that the bomb is starting in a completely
different part of
> the continent than it ends up in.
>
> Not an accident.
>
> As for Lisa talking....all she said was "No". Hardly
conversational English
> as yet. And at the start of our story, the next day, it's still
the only
> word she's said.
>
> Ty
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> Just because it's such a big part of the next story idea we're
playing
> with...
>
> We're VERY aware that the bomb is starting in a completely
different part of
> the continent than it ends up in.
>
> Not an accident.
>
> As for Lisa talking....all she said was "No". Hardly
conversational English
> as yet. And at the start of our story, the next day, it's still
the only
> word she's said.
>
> Ty
>

>
> In a message dated 9/18/06 11:17:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mego73@... writes:
>
>
> > I am surpirsed they improved on the cartoon discs in the head.

> > getting the stand alone set, I'm not crying about it because the

> > set was a gift.
> >
>
> If you gotta get Head, it's nice to get it as a gift!
>
> I'm not surprised they improved the transfers, for what they are

> they should be. What I can't believe is that Fox was so dumb and

> fans not to wait until all the work was done and do the so-

> Edition" right. Just goes to show that the Home Video companies

> you with something less than it should be so they can try to sell

> over again.
>
> Anyway... I can't believe Amazon hasn't sent the stand alone

> anyone else! Damn strange.
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> In a message dated 9/17/2006 6:42:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
> It was a "Bright, white light"... (Zira; under anesthesia).
> There really was no explanation...
> They JUST were...
> Don't analyze.
> Just go with it...
> They were blown away by the Earth's destruction...Thrown into
> another time by the sheer atomic blast...
> I would conjecture that the Alpha Omega bomb was not atomic in Nat

> was a chemical device that set off a chain reaction when detonated

> atmosphere.
>
> What the aponauts saw was not a blast, but the atmosphere of the

> burning off -- leaving not a trace of life. Remember the final

> said that the Earth itself was not destroyed -- but dead.
>
> At to what drove them backwards in time rather than further into

> -- you're going to have to ask Dr Hasslien...
>
> Bill
>

>
> In a message dated 9/19/06 9:36:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JLKINSER1970@... writes:
>
>
> > I ordered a set last night and Amazon said that they would not

> > out for 10-14 days. I guess you got lucky Rory.
> >
>
> Maybe I got it so soon because I had it on pre-order?
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> I certainly got mine well before Amazon told me it would arrive,

>
> By the way, are you the "John" that wanted a CD copy of the score

>
> -- Rory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLKINSER1970@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 6:16 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Return to the POTA DVDs
>
>
> I received a mwssage from Amazon today saying that there had been

> mistake on the shipping date and now Return to the Planet of the

> should arrive on the 23rd or 24th. Hopefully it is the same

> for all.
> John
>
> - In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 9/19/06 9:36:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > JLKINSER1970@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > I ordered a set last night and Amazon said that they would not
> ship
> > > out for 10-14 days. I guess you got lucky Rory.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe I got it so soon because I had it on pre-order?
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 9/17/06 10:05:54 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
> > Rory...didnt you order Return from Amazon? I did
> too
> > but I haven't gotten mine yet....=(
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> OK... I will now use my incredible "POTA POWER of
> the MIND!" to insure that
> you will get your RETURN DVD..... TOMORROW! Yes, it
> will come tomorrow! You
> will see, you will have it... you will scream and
> eat a banana!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I'm getting that there is a question as to how extensive the A/O bomb
> was, am I right?...
> Taylor said, "Burn the planet to a cinder. How's that for your
> ultimate weapon?"
> Zira said, "We saw the rim of the earth melt."
>
> Sounds pretty much like the total destruction of the PLANET, not just
> the life or atmosphere, to me...IMHO...=)
>
> G
>

>
> I wonder though, just how reliable would a 2000 year old bomb be?
> Would it, after all those years even be the same bomb, with the same
> specs, that Taylor remembers?
>
> Would its working parts have been carfully maintained, preserved and
> replaced as necc, by the mutants? (someone obviously kept the

> polished but what about the inner workings?)
>
> It was obviously still capable of packing a punch but did this

> relic manage to do all the things it was built for? Even modern,
> state-of-the-art, missile strikes, exhibit a disturbing number of

> and misfires.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm getting that there is a question as to how extensive the A/O

> > was, am I right?...
> > Taylor said, "Burn the planet to a cinder. How's that for your
> > ultimate weapon?"
> > Zira said, "We saw the rim of the earth melt."
> >
> > Sounds pretty much like the total destruction of the PLANET, not

> > the life or atmosphere, to me...IMHO...=)
> >
> > G
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Has anybody got big enough versions of the movie posters to see if
> anybody signed as artist? The 'Aldo with human over head' for Battle,
> and the Ben-Hur type for Conquest are interesting bits of work, and I'd
> be interested to know who painted them.John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I was thinking about where the TV Series might have gone had CBS shown
> more faith and one plot twist that popped into my diseased head was an
> episode where Roddy plays a human as well as playing Galen.The
> potential for fun situations and them meeting would have been, I think,
> wonderful.John, Scrolls
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think the show would have ever stood the cost of split
screen
> FX so I think stuntman Dave Rogers would have been Galen for any
> scenes that would have called for the two of them to be in shot at
the
> same time.
>
> The show had such potential and could have gone down any number of
> paths. A 'whimsical' episode where Galen dreams he's turned into a
> human and then experiences some first-hand, ape prejudice, could
have
> been fun. Imagine a scene where a suddenly human Galen is trying to
> convince V&B he's thier old pal. Or where a human female finds
Galen,
> now human, attractive.
>
> Roddy would have loved it!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking about where the TV Series might have gone had CBS
shown
> > more faith and one plot twist that popped into my diseased head
was an
> > episode where Roddy plays a human as well as playing Galen.The
> > potential for fun situations and them meeting would have been, I
think,
> > wonderful.John, Scrolls
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting. I think 20th Century man, mad bastard that he is/was,
> would have made the bomb durable--something non-corrosive, hence
its'
> shiney casing. I think Mendez knew plenty about the bomb--he was
the
> only one apart from Kolp in Battle who knew its real strength and
> maybe he had a role in its development---maybe even it was he who
> stopped it being detonated in the first place? That knowledge/power
> then became the basis of the Mendez Dynasty, until Mendez XXVI ,
when
> 20th Century Man intervened to finish the job he'd started.Of
course,
> if the bomb had been built by General Motors, it would never have
> ignited. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > I wonder though, just how reliable would a 2000 year old bomb be?
> > Would it, after all those years even be the same bomb, with the
same
> > specs, that Taylor remembers?
> >
> > Would its working parts have been carfully maintained, preserved
and
> > replaced as necc, by the mutants? (someone obviously kept the
> outside
> > polished but what about the inner workings?)
> >
> > It was obviously still capable of packing a punch but did this
> antique
> > relic manage to do all the things it was built for? Even modern,
> > state-of-the-art, missile strikes, exhibit a disturbing number of
> duds
> > and misfires.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm getting that there is a question as to how extensive the
A/O
> bomb
> > > was, am I right?...
> > > Taylor said, "Burn the planet to a cinder. How's that for your
> > > ultimate weapon?"
> > > Zira said, "We saw the rim of the earth melt."
> > >
> > > Sounds pretty much like the total destruction of the PLANET,
not
> just
> > > the life or atmosphere, to me...IMHO...=)
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> >
>

>
> I wonder though, just how reliable would a 2000 year old bomb be?
> Would it, after all those years even be the same bomb, with the

> specs, that Taylor remembers?
>
> Would its working parts have been carfully maintained, preserved

> replaced as necc, by the mutants? (someone obviously kept the

> polished but what about the inner workings?)
>
> It was obviously still capable of packing a punch but did this

> relic manage to do all the things it was built for? Even modern,
> state-of-the-art, missile strikes, exhibit a disturbing number of

> and misfires.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm getting that there is a question as to how extensive the A/O

> > was, am I right?...
> > Taylor said, "Burn the planet to a cinder. How's that for your
> > ultimate weapon?"
> > Zira said, "We saw the rim of the earth melt."
> >
> > Sounds pretty much like the total destruction of the PLANET, not

> > the life or atmosphere, to me...IMHO...=)
> >
> > G
> >
>

>
> As fun/funny as these plotlines would have been, I think I would

> to have seen a more dramatic episode where Urko dreamed he was a
> human, and was exposed to all the gorilla brutality...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think the show would have ever stood the cost of split
> screen
> > FX so I think stuntman Dave Rogers would have been Galen for any
> > scenes that would have called for the two of them to be in shot

> the
> > same time.
> >
> > The show had such potential and could have gone down any number of
> > paths. A 'whimsical' episode where Galen dreams he's turned into a
> > human and then experiences some first-hand, ape prejudice, could
> have
> > been fun. Imagine a scene where a suddenly human Galen is trying

> > convince V&B he's thier old pal. Or where a human female finds
> Galen,
> > now human, attractive.
> >
> > Roddy would have loved it!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was thinking about where the TV Series might have gone had

> shown
> > > more faith and one plot twist that popped into my diseased head
> was an
> > > episode where Roddy plays a human as well as playing Galen.The
> > > potential for fun situations and them meeting would have been,

> think,
> > > wonderful.John, Scrolls
> > >
> >
>

>
> Or even Mark, Booth and Roddy as a renegade human band, with Ron

> Jimbo as Urko and Zaius types?! John.
> >
> > As fun/funny as these plotlines would have been, I think I would
> like
> > to have seen a more dramatic episode where Urko dreamed he was a
> > human, and was exposed to all the gorilla brutality...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think the show would have ever stood the cost of split
> > screen
> > > FX so I think stuntman Dave Rogers would have been Galen for

> > > scenes that would have called for the two of them to be in

> at
> > the
> > > same time.
> > >
> > > The show had such potential and could have gone down any

> > > paths. A 'whimsical' episode where Galen dreams he's turned

> > > human and then experiences some first-hand, ape prejudice,

> > have
> > > been fun. Imagine a scene where a suddenly human Galen is

> to
> > > convince V&B he's thier old pal. Or where a human female finds
> > Galen,
> > > now human, attractive.
> > >
> > > Roddy would have loved it!
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking about where the TV Series might have gone had
> CBS
> > shown
> > > > more faith and one plot twist that popped into my diseased

> > was an
> > > > episode where Roddy plays a human as well as playing

> > > > potential for fun situations and them meeting would have

> I
> > think,
> > > > wonderful.John, Scrolls
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> I'm going to go one step further, and risk hatred, by saying that

> is the best Apes material since Conquest. It's absolutely better

> tv series and Battle. I think it's probably better than Escape

>
> When will Empire take place? After Battle? So it would be more

> setting up the political and religious apparatus, right?