--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:

>
> It was too horrible...I couldn't stand it anymore. Make you want

to

> quit listening to music.
> They need to MEAT it up with a little MANSON...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stenosaurus@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [POTA] BTPOTA- the song
>
> In a message dated 10/28/2006 5:00:29 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:
>
>
> My God, this is horrible:
> Â
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL2iLVuQGY
> Â
> Â
> Where's a good Doomsday Bomb when you need one...?
> Â
> Â
> Chris L.
>
>
>
>
>
> No argument here. I love the way the "audience" keeps walking in

front

> of the stage though!
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>

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There's also a futuristic limo in the novel of Conquest, as well as a
padded lorry for slaves.John, Scrolls.

>
> Yeah!, I noticed that too!. And did you notice that there is only ONE
> car in Conquest?. It's that delivary truck which Ceasar gets in with
> the Orangotangs. But the main story was set in '91, & the revoulution
> could have been between '92 & '93, but 'Battle' was set in 2001. Or
> was it 2003?.
>

And doesn't Limbo vary between being a Chimp and an Orang? What the
hell IS Limbo anyway? John, Scrolls.

>
> Strangely enough, Thade is a gorilla in the beginning of the
> novelization, as well, then is changed to a chimp...Great writing,

if

> you ask me...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> >
> > I knew about that before the movie came out. He was portrayed

as a

> > gorilla in the draft, but after much consideration they realized

that

> > gorillas are not as aggressive as chimpanzees so they changed

him...

> > Chimps are carnivores, bloodthirsty animals that will tear your

b@lls

> > off just as to look at you...
> > As for Caesar, well his book is open and waiting for a

continuum...

> > He's not too far off of the tyranical path.
> > His temper is not one to check.
> >
>

> And doesn't Limbo vary between being a Chimp and an Orang? What the
> hell IS Limbo anyway? John, Scrolls.

Totally stupid and moronic. Seeing clips of him in previews before
the movie opened convinced me that it was going to be a disaster. I
didn't see it until a year or so later when it was shown on TV and my
curiosity got the better of me.

I was right.

Hunter

As far as "alive" actors featuring THAT specific make-up are
concerned, the product is *CANON* belonging to the classic cinematic
POTA SAGA!

(Except for the end of 'SPACEBALLS', the promotionals and the
scarceful behind-the-scenes excerpts in BEHIND).

T.C.

> > There is no mention of any of our beloved apes in the series,
> therefor, I do not include it in the chronicles of "The Planet of

the

> Apes". These are two distinct subjects and will never meld

together...

> In the "series", the humans talk(oh, that's where pota 2001 got
> the idea), and that just isn't right. Also, the humans had too

many

> rights; ie, their own farms, fields, and a touch of freedom. Plus
> they were aloud to reproduce.
> Now you know that a REAL ape colonization would never allow

any

> of those atrocities...
> Plus (now it gets touchy), that series was not all that and a

bag

> of chips... All they did was run away and maybe once-in-a-while

get

> caught or sick or hurt...
> I'm sorry, but I was not impressed by the TV series even when

I

> watched it in its heyday. But, just for posterities sake, I

purchased

> the DVD...
> Seriously sit down and really pay attention to it once. It
> sucked...
> Cordially,
> Thade's Darling Human
> 10-29-06
>
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> > <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Humanoid Apes,
> > > >
> > > > Some questions for you... I'm going CRAZY! Maybe you can

help

> > me...
> > > > LOL!
> > > >
> > > > 1- "Eight years ago, a plague killed..." - Was Armando
> > > > just "rounding up" the EXACT date? Because I'm more and more
> > > > convinced that CONQUEST is not *ONLY* set in 1991, but 1992
> > and '93
> > > > too! Basically the whole movie might be covering a span of 3
> > years.
> > > > Keep in mind Armando often refers to Caesar as being "20

years

> > > old",
> > > > despite he was born in 1973 A.C. Keep in mind that Breck and
> his
> > > > crew, when relating to Armando and his activity, often refer

to

> > > this
> > > > specific amount of time: "20 years", and not "18"!
> > > > So, a possible scenario:
> > > >
> > > > 1991 - Just the PROLOGUE of CONQUEST.
> > > > 1992 - First part of the movie (from the helicopter scene).
> > Caesar
> > > > is, of course, 19, almost 20. Armando is just "rounding up"
> > (1983-
> > > > 1992=9, not 8). Presumibly, Armando raised his circus in

1972

> > (1972-
> > > > 1992= 20). Caesar is introduced in the Ape Training Center,

and

> > > > lately purchased by Breck.
> > > > 1993- Caesar's revolution, after aprox. one year of

captivity.

> > > >
> > > > 2- According to my scenario, in BENEATH Zira was in her
> *SECOND*
> > > > month of pregnancy (she's not showing yet).
> > > > Then, the Ape-O-Nauts crash-landed on Earth in

FEBRUARY/MARCH

> > 1973
> > > > A.C.
> > > > The second ship ("missing for OVER two years") the President
> was
> > > > referring to was indeed the mission which will "merge" in

3073

> > > A.C.,
> > > > 12 years before Virdon and Burke's arrival on POTA I (the
> > > astronauts
> > > > killed by Urko and lately mentioned by Zaius).
> > > > Brent's rescue mission is a secret, and not yet
> > declared "failed"
> > > > (What's about the TV reporting, anyway? "Two ships
> disintegrated
> > in
> > > > orbit", is this the exact quote from the movie?)
> > > >
> > > > MILO II was born in SEPTEMBER (Chimps pregnancy = 8 months).
> > > ARMANDO
> > > > headed towards his Winter quarters in October/November.
> > > > What do you think about it? I need suggestions and quotes

from

> > the
> > > > movies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks...
> > > >
> > > > T.C.
> > > >
> > > I do believe you have it...
> > > Time-sensitivity works in mysterious ways and it is up to

us

> > to
> > > fill in the blanks, my friend...
> > > Unfortuneatly, I don't include the "tv series" in this.

That

> is
> > > way off the driven course of events...
> > > Time travel depends on when and where one lands. Brent
> > launched
> > > at an inopportune time and missed saving the Earth by only

milli-

> > > seconds...
> > > He arrived too late, thus dieing alongside his comrade,
> > Taylor...
> > > He should have set his coordinates to land him before all
> > hell
> > > broke loose...
> > > But who knew?
> > > If we stretch our imaginations, maybe Taylor's distress
> signal
> > > had reached present Earth before the ship sank. Then that

would

> > mean
> > > that NASA is a bunch of dummies for not doing their math...
> > >
> >
>

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Ecch.  I agree...that song was horrible.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/29/06 00:34:56 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: BTPOTA- the song   --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, PofTAfan@... wrote: > > It was too horrible...I couldn't stand it anymore. Make you want to > quit listening to music. > They need to MEAT it up with a little MANSON... > -----Original Message----- > From: stenosaurus@ ... > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [POTA] BTPOTA- the song > > In a message dated 10/28/2006 5:00:29 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, lawford42@.. . writes: > > > My God, this is horrible: >   > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=BiL2iLVuQGY >   >   > Where's a good Doomsday Bomb when you need one...? >   >   > Chris L. > > > > > > No argument here. I love the way the "audience" keeps walking in front > of the stage though! > Bruce > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ __ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. >

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By the way, has anyone here heard the band They Might Be Giants' version of "Beneath The Planet Of The Apes"?  I did, a long time ago, a lady friend at work had it on a cassette.  It was just plain weird.   Zach

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Yes, he does...Don't you just luv a solid, consistant writer?...And
an editorial staff that is on the ball?...=)
(That was sarcasm, John)=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> And doesn't Limbo vary between being a Chimp and an Orang? What the
> hell IS Limbo anyway? John, Scrolls.
> >
> > Strangely enough, Thade is a gorilla in the beginning of the
> > novelization, as well, then is changed to a chimp...Great
writing,
> if
> > you ask me...=)
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> > <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I knew about that before the movie came out. He was
portrayed
> as a
> > > gorilla in the draft, but after much consideration they
realized
> that
> > > gorillas are not as aggressive as chimpanzees so they changed
> him...
> > > Chimps are carnivores, bloodthirsty animals that will tear your
> b@lls
> > > off just as to look at you...
> > > As for Caesar, well his book is open and waiting for a
> continuum...
> > > He's not too far off of the tyranical path.
> > > His temper is not one to check.
> > >
> >
>

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Most of the questions that i got on this
when it first posted it

whats a RP.. Any of you guys out there Thesbians
or when you go out for a planet of the apes theme weekend
and you dress as Zaius.. Same thing everyone

You get to take the character that you love the most in
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In a message dated 10/29/2006 9:11:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

By the way, has anyone here heard the band They Might Be Giants' version of "Beneath The Planet Of The Apes"?  I did, a long time ago, a lady friend at work had it on a cassette.  It was just plain weird.

 

Heard of it, but haven't heard it.

I really like Redd Kross' song,

Zira (Call Out My Name)

 

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One other thing, the POTA 2001 dvd included a flyer that attempted to
explain the ending of the movie. Has that EVER happened before? I
thought that move was hilarious. I know many in the media (Leno, the
Fox 11 L.A. news team, etc.) said the ending didn't make sense, but to
go to such lengths... I still can't believe it....

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I'm not familiar with the Redd Kross song.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/30/06 20:21:50 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [POTA] BTPOTA song...   In a message dated 10/29/2006 9:11:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, Zasco1957@aol. com writes: By the way, has anyone here heard the band They Might Be Giants' version of "Beneath The Planet Of The Apes"?  I did, a long time ago, a lady friend at work had it on a cassette.  It was just plain weird.   Heard of it, but haven't heard it. I really like Redd Kross' song, Zira (Call Out My Name)

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I just finished watching Star Trek III and saw that Branscombe
Richmond played Klingon Gunner # 2 in the film. I am really proud of
myself on this one.... If you watch "The Horse Race" episode, he is a
prominently featured extra in the crowd scenes. That's two I found
not on the list, for those scoring at home......(Sikking was the
other)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm surprized people didn't get more of these, particularly Ricardo
> Montalban. For simplicity I'll break this down by film since there
are a
> lot of them.
>
> PLANET OF THE APES
>
> * John Chambers designed Mr. Spock's ears
> * Jerry Goldsmith wrote the score to 5 Star Trek movies and the
> themes for Next Generation & Voyager
> * James Daly appeared in an original series episode
> * Felix Silla was in the Star Trek pilot
>
> BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> * Leonard Roseman scored Star Trek IV
> * Gregory Sierra was in an episode of DS9
> * Jeff Corey guest starred on the original series
> * As did James Gregory
>
> ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> * Janos Prohaska appeared in several original series episodes
> * William Windom guest starred on the original series
> * So did Jason Evers
> * And Ricardo Montalban who also appeared in Star Trek II
>
> BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> * France Nuyen guest starred on the original series
> * Paul Williams appeared in an episode of Voyager
>
> THE TV SERIES
>
> * Mark Lenard appeared in several Trek series and movies
> * John Hoyt was in the Star Trek pilot
> * Booth Colman guest starred on Voyager
> * Jay Robinson, Morgan Woodward & Percy Rodriguez all appeared
in
> episodes of the original series
> * Jerry Finnerman was cinematographer on the original series
>
> PLANET OF THE APES (2001)
>
> * David Warner appeared in two Star Trek movies and episodes of
the
> Next Generation
> * Michael Wiseman was in episodes of Voyager
> * Anne Ramsey was in episodes of Next Generation
>
> There are also some indirect links:
>
> * Lou Wagner was in the TV series CHIPS as was Michael Dorn
(Worf)
> * Roddy was in the film 'The Alien Within' with Melanie Shatner
> (Bill's Daughter)
> * Conquest's production designer Phillip Jefferies was the
brother of
> Matt Jefferies who designed the original Enterprise
> * Frank Capra, Jr.'s son, Frank Capra III, was an assistant
director
> on Star Trek IV
>

The ending MAKES sense, indeed.

After millenia since Davidson's "departure", and thanks to the
earthling "historical transmissions" carefully stored inside the
OBERON database (see the beginning of the movie), the ARMY OF THADE
(named in memory of the great general of the ancient past of POTA)
built thousands of GAMMA PODS and travelled across the Fractal. They
arrived on EARTH in 1800 A.C. and altered human history forever.
Davidson merged in 2155 A.C.
Does it sound familiar? APELINE ONE and TWO all rolled into one single
movie. Kudos to BURTON.

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> One other thing, the POTA 2001 dvd included a flyer that attempted
to
> explain the ending of the movie. Has that EVER happened before? I
> thought that move was hilarious. I know many in the media (Leno, the
> Fox 11 L.A. news team, etc.) said the ending didn't make sense, but
to
> go to such lengths... I still can't believe it....
>

Quite frankly,

I'm embrarassed by the whole topic. 'STAR TREK' is funny, and 'STAR
WARS' is eye-candy, but both can't be associated to POTA in any
form. POTA is a poetic epic saga, serious stuff.

I'm also embarassed by the STAR TREK homoerotic undertones and the
poorly-written screenplays of the 6 Star Wars movies in almost equal
measures :) LOL!

ESCAPE, the worst POTA movie (still a brilliant movie) is far better
than the BEST movie out of one of the two sagas.

Take care,

T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline Theory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I just finished watching Star Trek III and saw that Branscombe
> Richmond played Klingon Gunner # 2 in the film. I am really proud
of
> myself on this one.... If you watch "The Horse Race" episode, he
is a
> prominently featured extra in the crowd scenes. That's two I found
> not on the list, for those scoring at home......(Sikking was the
> other)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm surprized people didn't get more of these, particularly
Ricardo
> > Montalban. For simplicity I'll break this down by film since
there
> are a
> > lot of them.
> >
> > PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > * John Chambers designed Mr. Spock's ears
> > * Jerry Goldsmith wrote the score to 5 Star Trek movies and
the
> > themes for Next Generation & Voyager
> > * James Daly appeared in an original series episode
> > * Felix Silla was in the Star Trek pilot
> >
> > BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > * Leonard Roseman scored Star Trek IV
> > * Gregory Sierra was in an episode of DS9
> > * Jeff Corey guest starred on the original series
> > * As did James Gregory
> >
> > ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > * Janos Prohaska appeared in several original series episodes
> > * William Windom guest starred on the original series
> > * So did Jason Evers
> > * And Ricardo Montalban who also appeared in Star Trek II
> >
> > BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
> >
> > * France Nuyen guest starred on the original series
> > * Paul Williams appeared in an episode of Voyager
> >
> > THE TV SERIES
> >
> > * Mark Lenard appeared in several Trek series and movies
> > * John Hoyt was in the Star Trek pilot
> > * Booth Colman guest starred on Voyager
> > * Jay Robinson, Morgan Woodward & Percy Rodriguez all
appeared
> in
> > episodes of the original series
> > * Jerry Finnerman was cinematographer on the original series
> >
> > PLANET OF THE APES (2001)
> >
> > * David Warner appeared in two Star Trek movies and episodes
of
> the
> > Next Generation
> > * Michael Wiseman was in episodes of Voyager
> > * Anne Ramsey was in episodes of Next Generation
> >
> > There are also some indirect links:
> >
> > * Lou Wagner was in the TV series CHIPS as was Michael Dorn
> (Worf)
> > * Roddy was in the film 'The Alien Within' with Melanie
Shatner
> > (Bill's Daughter)
> > * Conquest's production designer Phillip Jefferies was the
> brother of
> > Matt Jefferies who designed the original Enterprise
> > * Frank Capra, Jr.'s son, Frank Capra III, was an assistant
> director
> > on Star Trek IV
> >
>

Humanoid Apes,

This is truly the only problem I encountered to properly "fix" my
APELINE TWO: MacDonald II (younger brother), my favourite character,
second only to Caesar and Armando.
I sucessfully escaped from the issues relating the interconnection
between ESCAPE and CONQUEST - no pun intended - thanks to a combined
effort of minds.
Now I find myself in trouble with this!

If MacDonald (the younger brother) was an employed WATCHER of the
Ape Management Archive of Century City (1991/92 A.C.) by his
admission, and he was at least 20 years old at that time... what's
about his age in BATTLE, 27/30 years later? In 1973, when BATTLE was
filmed, AUSTIN STOKER was barely 30, and he looked like 30, not 50.

Anyway, I found Mac a brilliant character, and STOKER's portrait was
truly marvellous. No way, Mac II is one of my favourite characters
in the CAESAR trilogy, after CAESAR himself.

MACDONALD RULES!!!


Any solution?

T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline Theory.

I didn't say that I thought the end didn't make sense, I said the
media and I assume the general public were giving that impression,
enough so that fox would go to the lengths of printing a flyer trying
to explain it.

As far as kudos to Burton.... that's another story....


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:

>
> The ending MAKES sense, indeed.
>
> After millenia since Davidson's "departure", and thanks to the
> earthling "historical transmissions" carefully stored inside the
> OBERON database (see the beginning of the movie), the ARMY OF THADE
> (named in memory of the great general of the ancient past of POTA)
> built thousands of GAMMA PODS and travelled across the Fractal.

They

> arrived on EARTH in 1800 A.C. and altered human history forever.
> Davidson merged in 2155 A.C.
> Does it sound familiar? APELINE ONE and TWO all rolled into one

single

> movie. Kudos to BURTON.
>
> T.C.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > One other thing, the POTA 2001 dvd included a flyer that

attempted

> to
> > explain the ending of the movie. Has that EVER happened before? I
> > thought that move was hilarious. I know many in the media (Leno,

the

> > Fox 11 L.A. news team, etc.) said the ending didn't make sense,

but

> to
> > go to such lengths... I still can't believe it....
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> Yes, he does...Don't you just luv a solid, consistant writer?...And
> an editorial staff that is on the ball?...=)
> (That was sarcasm, John)=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > And doesn't Limbo vary between being a Chimp and an Orang? What

the

> > hell IS Limbo anyway? John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > Strangely enough, Thade is a gorilla in the beginning of the
> > > novelization, as well, then is changed to a chimp...Great
> writing,
> > if
> > > you ask me...=)
> > >
> > > G
> > > Absolutely F...in phenom.... I had to read twice because

Limbo had metmorphasized right before my mental theater: First
a "squat little figure with orange fur", abruptly changeing to
an "expresionless chimp"...
Yeah, and they turned down my MS. Thanks Harper/Collins... You
only made me try harder and seek out a true publishing company. One
that ACTUALLY reads their crap before running it off... Know what?
I found one too, and an editor who cares what the hell's going
on...I kinda figured others had caught that. Just wondered how long
it would take...

> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> > > <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I knew about that before the movie came out. He was
> portrayed
> > as a
> > > > gorilla in the draft, but after much consideration they
> realized
> > that
> > > > gorillas are not as aggressive as chimpanzees so they changed
> > him...
> > > > Chimps are carnivores, bloodthirsty animals that will tear

your

> > b@lls
> > > > off just as to look at you...
> > > > As for Caesar, well his book is open and waiting for a
> > continuum...
> > > > He's not too far off of the tyranical path.
> > > > His temper is not one to check.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:

>
> One other thing, the POTA 2001 dvd included a flyer that attempted to
> explain the ending of the movie. Has that EVER happened before? I
> thought that move was hilarious. I know many in the media (Leno, the
> Fox 11 L.A. news team, etc.) said the ending didn't make sense, but

to

> go to such lengths... I still can't believe it....
>

It came with a time-line. It was a sequence of zig-zag time
tunneling that you had to follow. But I couldn't figure it out, really.
It didn't pertain to the movie because that had been screwed with way
too much...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:

>
> As far as kudos to Burton.... that's another story....

If you can bear to listen to Burton's insomnia-curing commentary
("It's like... this thing, y'know... this thing... like... when you
get.. this thing... it's like... the thing... y'know?") It's quite
obvious he neither knows, nor cares, what the ending was all about.

I seem to recall (And I should really go and check that he actually
said this) that he was once quoted as saying something like "The movie
shouldn't be over-examined, it's just a story about talking monkeys"
Which I think summed up the contemptuous philosophy behind the 2001
version perfectly.

Dave

Ape Fellows,

I strongly defend Tim Burton and its work because:

1- I would not have accepted a carbon-copy of POTA 1968. Today, when
they remake classic movies, they re-do them THE SAME - sequence by
sequence. In my mind (as well as yours, I'm sure), POTA 1968 is a
cosmic masterpiece, untouchable.
Burton did a TOTALLY different POTA movie, a popcorn POTA movie...
but at least, a different POTA movie !!!

2- Everything in the production is top-notch, despite the screenplay
could have been BETTER. The "talking monkeys" are beautiful... not
effective and cool like the original make-up Apes, but very good.

3- Many "recalls" to the original book... from a certain
perspective, "this" POTA movie is CLOSER to Boulle's book than POTA
1968. Strange, isn't it?

4- I love the use of the time-travelling concept they did in the
movie, and all the "images" connected to it.

5- The ending amazed me, definitely.

The only thing which ruined the movie was the HUMOUR but... wait a
moment, again, it contributed to make "this" POTA movie a DIFFERENT
POTA movie.

We didn't need a POTA remake movie in 2001, we don't need it now.
But a "reimagining" movie (as Burton put it) is well accepted by Mr.
Apecalypse Now.

T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline TRUTH.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > As far as kudos to Burton.... that's another story....
>
> If you can bear to listen to Burton's insomnia-curing commentary
> ("It's like... this thing, y'know... this thing... like... when you
> get.. this thing... it's like... the thing... y'know?") It's quite
> obvious he neither knows, nor cares, what the ending was all about.
>
> I seem to recall (And I should really go and check that he actually
> said this) that he was once quoted as saying something like "The
movie
> shouldn't be over-examined, it's just a story about talking
monkeys"
> Which I think summed up the contemptuous philosophy behind the 2001
> version perfectly.
>
> Dave
>

Wow...I actually disagree with every single word of your post. Amazing!

(Well, almost every word. I agree that POTA is a poetic, epic saga,
and I have no problem with the words "the," "and," "of" and "a."

But the rest of your words, I wholly disagree with.

>Posted by: "apecalypsenow" apecalypsenow@... apecalypsenow
>Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:15 am (PST)
>Quite frankly,
>I'm embrarassed by the whole topic. 'STAR TREK' is funny, and 'STAR
>WARS' is eye-candy, but both can't be associated to POTA in any
>form. POTA is a poetic epic saga, serious stuff.
>I'm also embarassed by the STAR TREK homoerotic undertones and the
>poorly-written screenplays of the 6 Star Wars movies in almost equal
>measures :) LOL!
>ESCAPE, the worst POTA movie (still a brilliant movie) is far better
>than the BEST movie out of one of the two sagas.

apecalypsenow <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

The only thing which ruined the movie was the HUMOUR but...

.

Your you mean the lack of humor

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By what criteria is Escape deemed to be the worst Ape movie? You can
make a good case for it being the best--superb and inventive script
that totally revived and regenerated the series, wonderful score, an
enduring blend of love story, comedy and drama, wonderful
performances from all of the leads, including memorable performances
by Eric Braeden and Ricardo Montalban. The opening credits are the
best of the series.I'd be hard pressed to class Escape as the worst!
John, Scrolls.

>
>
> Wow...I actually disagree with every single word of your post.

Amazing!

>
> (Well, almost every word. I agree that POTA is a poetic, epic

saga,

> and I have no problem with the words "the," "and," "of" and "a."
>
> But the rest of your words, I wholly disagree with.
>
>
>
> >Posted by: "apecalypsenow" apecalypsenow@... apecalypsenow
> >Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:15 am (PST)
> >Quite frankly,
> >I'm embrarassed by the whole topic. 'STAR TREK' is funny, and 'STAR
> >WARS' is eye-candy, but both can't be associated to POTA in any
> >form. POTA is a poetic epic saga, serious stuff.
> >I'm also embarassed by the STAR TREK homoerotic undertones and the
> >poorly-written screenplays of the 6 Star Wars movies in almost

equal

> >measures :) LOL!
> >ESCAPE, the worst POTA movie (still a brilliant movie) is far

better

> >than the BEST movie out of one of the two sagas.
>

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In a message dated 11/1/2006 7:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Ape Fellows,

I strongly defend Tim Burton and its work because:

1- I would not have accepted a carbon-copy of POTA 1968. Today, when
they remake classic movies, they re-do them THE SAME - sequence by
sequence. In my mind (as well as yours, I'm sure), POTA 1968 is a
cosmic masterpiece, untouchable.
Burton did a TOTALLY different POTA movie, a popcorn POTA movie...
but at least, a different POTA movie !!!

2- Everything in the production is top-notch, despite the screenplay
could have been BETTER. The "talking monkeys" are beautiful... not
effective and cool like the original make-up Apes, but very good.

3- Many "recalls" to the original book... from a certain
perspective, "this" POTA movie is CLOSER to Boulle's book than POTA
1968. Strange, isn't it?

4- I love the use of the time-travelling concept they did in the
movie, and all the "images" connected to it.

5- The ending amazed me, definitely.

The only thing which ruined the movie was the HUMOUR but... wait a
moment, again, it contributed to make "this" POTA movie a DIFFERENT
POTA movie.

We didn't need a POTA remake movie in 2001, we don't need it now.
But a "reimagining" movie (as Burton put it) is well accepted by Mr.
Apecalypse Now.

T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline TRUTH.

***************

I am always amazed that Hollywood rarely has any original ideas anymore.

 

Burton's POTA was not a particularly horrible film, but sadly a forgettable film -- and in no way can be put on the same level as the original. POTA2001 will always be remembered as a bad remake.

 

Maybe its me, but I also didn't like Jackson's Kong either. Another bad remake that will be forgotten and remade again in 15 years.

 

Jackson and Burton are brilliant directors -- when they do original work -- however when they remake classic films (like POTA, WILLIE WONKA, and KONG) they are just reworking someone else's imagination and the result is always bland.

 

Bill

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In a message dated 11/1/2006 6:45:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

I strongly defend Tim Burton and its work because

 

I like the idea of referring to Burton as an IT.

A real person would have defended POTA

to the studio, and not let the actors run

rough shod over him because he spent

the entire budget on makeup and effects.

 

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You can

> make a good case for it being the best--superb and inventive script
> that totally revived and regenerated the series, wonderful score, an
> enduring blend of love story, comedy and drama, wonderful
> performances from all of the leads, including memorable performances
> by Eric Braeden and Ricardo Montalban. The opening credits are the
> best of the series.

Everything you say is, of course, TRUE. But the other POTA movies are
EVEN superior to it, despite all the qualities you mentioned, Johnny.

God, I love this saga, this is the greatest thing which ever happened
on Earth.

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > As far as kudos to Burton.... that's another story....
>
> If you can bear to listen to Burton's insomnia-curing commentary
> ("It's like... this thing, y'know... this thing... like... when you
> get.. this thing... it's like... the thing... y'know?") It's quite
> obvious he neither knows, nor cares, what the ending was all about.
>

He rather sounds like Gag Halfrunt from HG...=)

> I seem to recall (And I should really go and check that he actually
> said this) that he was once quoted as saying something like "The movie
> shouldn't be over-examined, it's just a story about talking monkeys"
> Which I think summed up the contemptuous philosophy behind the 2001
> version perfectly.
>
> Dave
>

That's right, it's just a story about talking monkeys -- it isn't
Planet of the Apes!...

G

You mean the forced attempt at humor!...

G

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You mean the forced attempt at humor!...

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/1/2006 6:45:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
> I strongly defend Tim Burton and its work because
>
>
>
> I like the idea of referring to Burton as an IT.
> A real person would have defended POTA
> to the studio, and not let the actors run
> rough shod over him because he spent
> the entire budget on makeup and effects.
>

Why do you all act like I have never mentioned this before?!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:

>
> Ape Fellows,
>
> I strongly defend Tim Burton and its work because:
>
> 1- I would not have accepted a carbon-copy of POTA 1968. Today,

when

> they remake classic movies, they re-do them THE SAME - sequence by
> sequence. In my mind (as well as yours, I'm sure), POTA 1968 is a
> cosmic masterpiece, untouchable.
> Burton did a TOTALLY different POTA movie, a popcorn POTA movie...
> but at least, a different POTA movie !!!
>
> 2- Everything in the production is top-notch, despite the

screenplay

> could have been BETTER. The "talking monkeys" are beautiful... not
> effective and cool like the original make-up Apes, but very good.
>
> 3- Many "recalls" to the original book... from a certain
> perspective, "this" POTA movie is CLOSER to Boulle's book than POTA
> 1968. Strange, isn't it?
>
> 4- I love the use of the time-travelling concept they did in the
> movie, and all the "images" connected to it.
>
> 5- The ending amazed me, definitely.
>
> The only thing which ruined the movie was the HUMOUR but... wait a
> moment, again, it contributed to make "this" POTA movie a DIFFERENT
> POTA movie.
>
> We didn't need a POTA remake movie in 2001, we don't need it now.
> But a "reimagining" movie (as Burton put it) is well accepted by

Mr.

> Apecalypse Now.
>
> T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline TRUTH.
>
>
>
> Uh,I hate to interrupt, but I have been saying this since I have

been out there... IT HAS BEEN well upon time to move ahead and y'all
act like you've never heard this from me before...
Why does it take someone else to make this perfectly clear for
anyone to understand?! I guess I'm just a second-fiddle in this
conglomeration...
Anyhow, maybe you'll listen to THEM, because you sure as hell
didn't listen to me...
(I feel as if I have been robbed of my virtue!)...

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as kudos to Burton.... that's another story....
> >
> > If you can bear to listen to Burton's insomnia-curing commentary
> > ("It's like... this thing, y'know... this thing... like... when

you

> > get.. this thing... it's like... the thing... y'know?") It's quite
> > obvious he neither knows, nor cares, what the ending was all

about.

> >
> > I seem to recall (And I should really go and check that he

actually

> > said this) that he was once quoted as saying something like "The
> movie
> > shouldn't be over-examined, it's just a story about talking
> monkeys"
> > Which I think summed up the contemptuous philosophy behind the

2001

> > version perfectly.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>

I finally picked up the remastered animated series and the difference
between it and the ultimate collection is unbelievable. However,
missing from the remastered collection is a feature I feel very
important, an option on the ultimate collection, PLAY ALL. I wish that
option was available with the television series as well...

With Richard Donner's cut of Superman 2 coming out, maybe the trend
will be to restore other movies.Even Lucas relented on bits of Star
Wars, so maybe the door isn't totally closed to seeing the full Planet,
with the additional chase footage and pregnancy scene, and also the
full Conquest, with the beginning and ending restored.Incidentally,
Donner is now co-scripting Superman in Action Comics.John, Scrolls.

I think the missing Play All option is just a Fox thing, because my
Firefly DVD doesn't have it either.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I finally picked up the remastered animated series and the
difference
> between it and the ultimate collection is unbelievable. However,
> missing from the remastered collection is a feature I feel very
> important, an option on the ultimate collection, PLAY ALL. I wish
that
> option was available with the television series as well...
>

Hey all, just wanted to say to our Revolution on the Planet of the
Apes mastermind, excellent work on your recent (albeit non-Apes) work.
Your Howard the Duck short in the recent Civil War: Chosing Sides one
shot was hilarious! Any chance of an ongoing series? (Please?) And
then, I go to pick up the new American Splendor, and there you are
again! So now, all of my various geek things are crashing into one
another, Harvey Pekar and Planet of the Apes (you're not doing
anything with The Prisoner, are you?)
So, just wanted to say, Good Job!
And to those of you out there who haven't picked these comics up yet,
do so, keep money in the community! Support your fellow Apes!

-James

God, I found the whole MARVEL TIMELINE so funny and ridiculous! Bad
writing, no reasoning, any clue behind it.

That's what says about the CARTOON:

3479

February:
Astronauts Bill Allen, Jeff Hudson and Judy Franklin crash-land in a
lagoon southwest of New York. While traversing the desert, Franklin
disappears into a chasm that mysteriously closes in on itself. Allen
and Hudson continue on to find a forested glade inhabited by savage
humans. In a raid by gorilla soldiers, Allen is captured along with
several of the primitive humans. Shortly thereafter, he escapes and
along with Hudson, returns to the Forbidden Zone. There, they
discover the now buried ruins of New York City. After finding
Franklin, they escape the mutants of the city. It is unknown as to
what eventually became of the astronauts. (Animated Planet of the
Apes)


???? 3949 A.C. ? I know it was 3979 A.C. And what's about the
technology? What's about Cornelius, Zira, Zaius and all the
recurring characters... ???

T.C.














--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rackworthykomix" <rackworthykomix@...>
wrote:

>
> I think the missing Play All option is just a Fox thing, because

my

> Firefly DVD doesn't have it either.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I finally picked up the remastered animated series and the
> difference
> > between it and the ultimate collection is unbelievable. However,
> > missing from the remastered collection is a feature I feel very
> > important, an option on the ultimate collection, PLAY ALL. I

wish

> that
> > option was available with the television series as well...
> >
>

Thanks for the kind words. 

If you, or anyone wants an ongoing HTD series, (and believe me, no one wants that more than I) you have to write to Marvel and demand it.  Email the editor (Tom Brevoort) at Marvel.com, or go to the message boards at ComicBookResources.com and post something to the "ask Brevoort" message boards at the comic book community at that site.  If anyone's having trouble finding those sites, let me know and I'll paste in some hyperlinks.

Those are the two best ways to communicate with Tom, he looks at both sites DAILY, and it's entirely a matter of fan response that gets those decisions made.

Ty the Guy.

HI TC,

This just goes to prove that 20th Century Fox had no idea how to
develop the story lines for the POTA Movie Series.

Since they made the films one at a time and not properly thought out
as it should have been.

Perhaps MacDonald is lets say about between 50-60 years of age. It's
not impossible to have a young 50 year old man. As todays standard
proves. Or maybe the radiation/fallout may have mutated his genes
and slowed his ageing process.

Regards.

Peter.



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:

>
> Humanoid Apes,
>
> This is truly the only problem I encountered to properly "fix" my
> APELINE TWO: MacDonald II (younger brother), my favourite

character,

> second only to Caesar and Armando.
> I sucessfully escaped from the issues relating the interconnection
> between ESCAPE and CONQUEST - no pun intended - thanks to a

combined

> effort of minds.
> Now I find myself in trouble with this!
>
> If MacDonald (the younger brother) was an employed WATCHER of the
> Ape Management Archive of Century City (1991/92 A.C.) by his
> admission, and he was at least 20 years old at that time... what's
> about his age in BATTLE, 27/30 years later? In 1973, when BATTLE

was

> filmed, AUSTIN STOKER was barely 30, and he looked like 30, not 50.
>
> Anyway, I found Mac a brilliant character, and STOKER's portrait

was

> truly marvellous. No way, Mac II is one of my favourite characters
> in the CAESAR trilogy, after CAESAR himself.
>
> MACDONALD RULES!!!
>
>
> Any solution?
>
> T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline Theory.
>

Pete,

HotScheetz found a great, brilliant solution, you can read it on my
APELINE TWO table.

Anyway, you're partially right about 20th Century. AT LEAST, all the
inconsistencies created this beautiful "Alternative Timeline"
concept... KUDOS TO IT!

T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative TImeline Theory (MORE THAN A
THEORY!)





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...>
wrote:

>
> HI TC,
>
> This just goes to prove that 20th Century Fox had no idea how to
> develop the story lines for the POTA Movie Series.
>
> Since they made the films one at a time and not properly thought

out

> as it should have been.
>
> Perhaps MacDonald is lets say about between 50-60 years of age.

It's

> not impossible to have a young 50 year old man. As todays standard
> proves. Or maybe the radiation/fallout may have mutated his genes
> and slowed his ageing process.
>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Humanoid Apes,
> >
> > This is truly the only problem I encountered to properly "fix"

my

> > APELINE TWO: MacDonald II (younger brother), my favourite
> character,
> > second only to Caesar and Armando.
> > I sucessfully escaped from the issues relating the

interconnection

> > between ESCAPE and CONQUEST - no pun intended - thanks to a
> combined
> > effort of minds.
> > Now I find myself in trouble with this!
> >
> > If MacDonald (the younger brother) was an employed WATCHER of

the

> > Ape Management Archive of Century City (1991/92 A.C.) by his
> > admission, and he was at least 20 years old at that time...

what's

> > about his age in BATTLE, 27/30 years later? In 1973, when BATTLE
> was
> > filmed, AUSTIN STOKER was barely 30, and he looked like 30, not

50.

> >
> > Anyway, I found Mac a brilliant character, and STOKER's portrait
> was
> > truly marvellous. No way, Mac II is one of my favourite

characters

> > in the CAESAR trilogy, after CAESAR himself.
> >
> > MACDONALD RULES!!!
> >
> >
> > Any solution?
> >
> > T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline Theory.
> >
>

Hi Humanoid Apes,

Last night I went with my girlfriend to see 'CLICK', starring Sandler
and Walken (there's a nice reference to POTA, by the way).

In the multi-theatre, there's an entire "room" whose walls are
enterely covered with movie stills taken straight from KUBRICK's films.

I spotted some panels depicting his "Austrolopithecus Afarensis" from
the horrid movie '2001'.
Strangely enough, in my memories the make-up was BETTER. In some
shots, it just looks plain BAD, no way.

What do you think about?

POTA make-up is outstanding, and POTA movie was excellent... 2001 was
HORRIBLE. Bad direction, boring and useless screenplay, bad shots,
uninteresting dialogues...

T.C.

Hi Humanoid Apes,

Last night I went with my girlfriend to see 'CLICK', starring Sandler
and Walken (there's a nice reference to POTA, by the way).

In the multi-theatre, there's an entire "room" whose walls are
enterely covered with movie stills taken straight from KUBRICK's films.

I spotted some panels depicting his "Austrolopithecus Afarensis" from
the horrid movie '2001'.
Strangely enough, in my memories the make-up was BETTER. In some
shots, it just looks plain BAD, no way.

What do you think about?

POTA make-up is outstanding, and POTA movie was excellent... 2001 was
HORRIBLE. Bad direction, boring and useless screenplay, bad shots,
uninteresting dialogues...

T.C.

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Just woundered...am I? 13 nearly 14, is anyone younger than me?. And
how do you make friends on this site?.

Duh!, It's MacDonald's younger brother who's in Battle!.

Are you talking chronological age, or mental age?...I'm not naming any
names!...=)

You make friends by starting up a friendship with someone...Simple...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "My Username!" <bsherwood@...> wrote:
>
> Just woundered...am I? 13 nearly 14, is anyone younger than me?. And
> how do you make friends on this site?.
>

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   Does anyone remember actually seeing the gorilla on the left in the film? He's got a strange-looking head (probably due to the cropping of the photo but strange nonetheless). I was just wondering if anyone remembered seeing him in the movie.

Brucehttp://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QBBMRfkHIFh2bqlMjGskSZoPvNSSg-mEeWpPZA__aTSfekPDg5ke_vWMsbx-UyAb2ZmIjBHB8OtQQpU7mk3s46rYD04g10F08w/Misc./Stuff/Conquest.htm

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In a message dated 11/3/2006 11:32:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Does anyone remember actually seeing the gorilla on the left in the film? He's got a strange-looking head (probably due to the cropping of the photo but strange nonetheless) . I was just wondering if anyone remembered seeing him in the movie.

Well the link didn't work but it's the ape on the right in the "RED"

Conquest poster in the files section.

Bruce

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In a message dated 11/3/2006 11:54:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Well the link didn't work but it's the ape on the right in the "RED"

Conquest poster in the files section.

Bruce

*sigh* Tonight's not my night. I meant the one on the left.

Bruce

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "My Username!" <bsherwood@...> wrote:

>
> Just woundered...am I? 13 nearly 14, is anyone younger than me?. And
> how do you make friends on this site?.
>

You're the youngest I've heard of, kid. As far as making friends?
Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
right off the planet...

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
<thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:

>

As far as making friends?

> Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
> right off the planet...

Not true... It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Dave

If you only buy one other comic than Revolution this year, make it
Marvel's 'Civil War: Choosing Sides', featuring Ty Templeton's
hilarious Howard the Duck.It's definitely, definitely worth picking up!
John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> >
>
> As far as making friends?
> > Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
> > right off the planet...
>
> Not true... It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
>
> Dave
>

I can agree with that, but just "how" is it that you say it? There's
many ways... ;]

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In a message dated 11/4/2006 12:52:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:

You're the youngest I've heard of, kid. As far as making friends?
Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
right off the planet...

 

Not true!  Even if you know what you're talking about

you can still get booed.  But I'd say the best way to

make friends is, instead of making wild statements

just ask question.  A good question will get posts

flowing.  These folks love to talk apes!  Even though

a lot has already been covered on these groups.

They can direct you to where to look in the archives.

 

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>
> Not true! Even if you know what you're talking about
> you can still get booed. But I'd say the best way to
> make friends is, instead of making wild statements
> just ask question. A good question will get posts
> flowing. These folks love to talk apes! Even though
> a lot has already been covered on these groups.
> They can direct you to where to look in the archives.
>

*** even Lord T Zero, the most un-sympathetic POTA fan I ever met in
my whole life, has an heart. ***

T.C. The Great and Wise Master of POTA Alternative Timeline Truth

That's so true...Thank you, Dave...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> >
>
> As far as making friends?
> > Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
> > right off the planet...
>
> Not true... It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
>
> Dave
>

hello i'm john, new to the group. this has probably been said many
times. but being new here i need to vent,and chat with fellow fans. I
hope someday in the near future they will make a fabulous remake or a
new ape movie. Or maybe it just needs to be left alone. i am 47, and
seeing planet of the apes at the age of 8 affected me like nothing
else still to this day. i am constantly trying to write my own movie,
and don't seem to come up with anything to honor the original, and
that is the only way i would want it. i thought the burton version was
pitiful. all they kept talking about in the reviews was the fabulous
makeup. big friggin deal. your story was lame. anyway it would be nice
to chat with others and get your thoughts. thanks

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>yes i saw it it was on at 3 in nyc thanks
> Reminder from the Calendar of pota
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal
>
> Planet of the Apes (1968)
> Saturday November 4, 2006
> 2:00 am - 4:30 am
> (This event does not repeat.)
> Location: Sci Fi Channel
>
> Set up birthday reminders
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/cal_us/rem/?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal?v=9&evt_type=13

>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, pota@yahoogroups. com wrote:
>
>yes i saw it it was on at 3 in nyc thanks
> Reminder from the Calendar of pota
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ cal
>
> Planet of the Apes (1968)
> Saturday November 4, 2006
> 2:00 am - 4:30 am
> (This event does not repeat.)
> Location: Sci Fi Channel
>
> Set up birthday reminders
>

---

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Yes, just ask questions, and your fellow Apesters will be glad to answer them for you or direct you to a link.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/04/06 14:03:47 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: Am I the only Kid?   That's so true...Thank you, Dave... G --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@ ...> wrote: > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "thadesdarlinghuman " > <thadesdarlinghuman @> wrote: > > > > As far as making friends? > > Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you > > right off the planet... > > Not true... It's not what you say, it's how you say it. > > Dave >

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
<thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "My Username!" <bsherwood@> wrote:
> >
> > Just woundered...am I? 13 nearly 14, is anyone younger than me?.

And

> > how do you make friends on this site?.
> >
> You're the youngest I've heard of, kid. As far as making friends?
> Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo you
> right off the planet...
>

I know...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> Are you talking chronological age, or mental age?...I'm not naming

any

> names!...=)
>

Well You don't need to!.

> > As far as making friends?
> > > Well, you have to know what you're talking about or they'll boo

you

> > > right off the planet...

Boo Me right off the Planet?...What crazy talk is that?. Hah!.

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Is that one of the deleted scenes from Episode III: "Escape From the
Planet of the Sith"?...=)

G

What's interesting is the first couple of seasons of Fox shows (Mary
Tyler Moore, MASH) don't have the play all option, but subsequent
seasons do. In fact, I'm debating whether to purchase the ultimate MASH
collection that comes out tomorrow, in hopes that season 1-4 have the
play all option in this set. Yes, I've purchased season 1-10 and the
film already, but unlike the ultimate ape collection, there are two
discs unavailable in the season sets. That really grinds my gears....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rackworthykomix" <rackworthykomix@...>
wrote:

>
> I think the missing Play All option is just a Fox thing, because my
> Firefly DVD doesn't have it either.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I finally picked up the remastered animated series and the
> difference
> > between it and the ultimate collection is unbelievable. However,
> > missing from the remastered collection is a feature I feel very
> > important, an option on the ultimate collection, PLAY ALL. I wish
> that
> > option was available with the television series as well...
> >
>

Another great way to make friends on this site is to remind everyone
how fantastic POTA 68 is, and find a new and creative way to express
to the group how much POTA 2001 sucked.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Sam jackson <minuteman1986@...> wrote:
>
> Do you know of a good way to make Friends...
> and your reallyshy
> BUT enjoy to play
>
> ROLEPLAY
>
>
> I have my new site Ape City started and its a ROLE Play site
> so if you have ever acted in a school play or enjoy to put on
> ape make up and play the part
>
> WELL
>
> Here is your chance
>
> Email me for the site
> and i can send you
> or look for it in past posts on this group
>
> Mike
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small
Business.
>

Burton's next pile of crap is to be 'Sweeney Todd', a film about the
notorious throat slitter in London.Really can't wait to see
that.Please, tie me down I'm so excited. John, Scrolls.

>
> hello i'm john, new to the group. this has probably been said many
> times. but being new here i need to vent,and chat with fellow fans. I
> hope someday in the near future they will make a fabulous remake or a
> new ape movie. Or maybe it just needs to be left alone. i am 47, and
> seeing planet of the apes at the age of 8 affected me like nothing
> else still to this day. i am constantly trying to write my own movie,
> and don't seem to come up with anything to honor the original, and
> that is the only way i would want it. i thought the burton version

was

> pitiful. all they kept talking about in the reviews was the fabulous
> makeup. big friggin deal. your story was lame. anyway it would be

nice

> to chat with others and get your thoughts. thanks
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:

>
> Okay Ape-Fans from all over the world!
>
> "Time to understand TIME !!!" (typical American style one-liner)

LOL!

>
> New, fresh, well-reasoned ideas that popped-up in my fabulous mind
> just TODAY:
>
> 1- The Hasslein Curve and the Hasslein's Theory of Time might be TWO
> DIFFERENT THINGS, to begin with. The different expressions should
> *NOT* refer to the same concept.
>
> 2- The Hasslein's Theory is just the well-famed "dilation of time"
> concept (EINSTEIN never came to be in APELINE ONE,
> Hasslein "replaced" him). Taylor and his crew undergo the
> dilatation. IT WASN'T A TIME WARP.
>
> 3- According to ESCAPE, Taylor's ship disintegrated in orbit... or
> better, was BELIEVED to have disintegrated in orbit (IS THIS
> *CANON*? TAKEN FROM THE MOVIE OR THE SCREENPLAY? PLEASE ANSWER).
> Maybe, the near-light hyperdrive propulsion (generated by a
> manifactured system "inspired" by Roswell's crashed flying saucers)
> just made the ship DISAPPEAR from radars or LIGHT like a star or
> SOMETHING, that's all. At the beginning, the President says the ship
> was "MISSING IN SPACE", so scientists were puzzled.
> Is the quote "disintegrated in orbit" in the movie, by the way?
>
> 4- They sent BRENT in orbit aboard a "NORMAL SHIP" not provided with
> an hyperdrive system. It wasn't a "proper" rescue... someone thought
> Taylor was MISSING in space... they sent Brent to "rescue" him or
> confirm that the ship was GONE FOR GOOD.
>
> 5- BUT ********* Taylor's ship was highly unstable, and its
> hyperdrive system CAUSED a "warping" behind it... that's why it
> disappeared from any possible detection ("disintegrated"; "missing
> in space"). An "HASSLEIN CURVE" is thus created, behind Taylors
> ship's TRAJECTORY.
>
> 6- Brent and Skipper ended in the HASSLEIN CURVE created by

Taylor's

> ship: a TIME WARP. They
> were simultaneously transported in 3979 A.C. The time clock, not
> properly "tuned" with time warps, just malfunctioned ("3955 A.C.").
> LIke a worm in an apple, Taylor's ship dug a "passage" from POINT A
> (1972) to POINT B (3978/79).
>
> 7- Either the Astronauts who ended in 3073 A.C. (mentioned by
> Councillor Zaius) and Virdon & Burke were travelling on "normal
> ships" a-la BRENT. They underwent the effect of a time warp placed
> in Alpha Centauri, and were ISTANTANEOUSLY transported in the

future.

> Is stated anywhere that Virdon's ship was travelling at NEAR-LIGHT
> speed?
>
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> T.C.
>

It was a "sphincter". Not to be funny, but it was a tiny wormhole.
Squeezing through is not a desired trip to take but if it were to
happen, it would be a "sphincter". Sorry ... :)

Thade's Darling Human

Actually, come to think of it, Futurama also doesn't have the Play
All option.
But all of my Simpsons DVDs do.
Weird, huh?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> What's interesting is the first couple of seasons of Fox shows
(Mary
> Tyler Moore, MASH) don't have the play all option, but subsequent
> seasons do. In fact, I'm debating whether to purchase the ultimate
MASH
> collection that comes out tomorrow, in hopes that season 1-4 have
the
> play all option in this set. Yes, I've purchased season 1-10 and
the
> film already, but unlike the ultimate ape collection, there are
two
> discs unavailable in the season sets. That really grinds my
gears....
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rackworthykomix" <rackworthykomix@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think the missing Play All option is just a Fox thing, because
my
> > Firefly DVD doesn't have it either.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I finally picked up the remastered animated series and the
> > difference
> > > between it and the ultimate collection is unbelievable.
However,
> > > missing from the remastered collection is a feature I feel
very
> > > important, an option on the ultimate collection, PLAY ALL. I
wish
> > that
> > > option was available with the television series as well...
> > >
> >
>

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In a message dated 11/7/2006 1:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

Another great way to make friends on this site is to remind everyone
how fantastic POTA 68 is, and find a new and creative way to express
to the group how much POTA 2001 sucked.

 

Now play nice Dr. Hasslein.

I can't believe I'm say that.

 

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One of my close friends is a big fan on Planet Of the apes '68,
Beneath, Escape, Conquest, Battle and The T.V. series. So he has a lot
of stuff on his Computer and he's made an animated rap-music video
clip. How good is it?...HILLARIOUS!!! but he does not have a 'Yahoo!',
so he can't post it here, but he may give it to me when he has
propally upgraded it (he's too busy with other things, so it'll be a
while if you ever see it). This should turn a few heads, yes?. Good
website this!. Also, I am one of Ed,Edd n' Eddy's BIGGEST fans!, look
for me on 'The 3 Eds.com'!.

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In a message dated 11/7/2006 8:41:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, rackworthykomix@... writes:

Actually, come to think of it, Futurama also doesn't have the Play
All option.
But all of my Simpsons DVDs do.

Is that the New Futurama

or the old ones?

 

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Ooh, I'm getting in line, now...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Burton's next pile of crap is to be 'Sweeney Todd', a film about
the
> notorious throat slitter in London.Really can't wait to see
> that.Please, tie me down I'm so excited. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > hello i'm john, new to the group. this has probably been said
many
> > times. but being new here i need to vent,and chat with fellow
fans. I
> > hope someday in the near future they will make a fabulous remake
or a
> > new ape movie. Or maybe it just needs to be left alone. i am 47,
and
> > seeing planet of the apes at the age of 8 affected me like
nothing
> > else still to this day. i am constantly trying to write my own
movie,
> > and don't seem to come up with anything to honor the original,
and
> > that is the only way i would want it. i thought the burton
version
> was
> > pitiful. all they kept talking about in the reviews was the
fabulous
> > makeup. big friggin deal. your story was lame. anyway it would be
> nice
> > to chat with others and get your thoughts. thanks
> >
>

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Reminder from:		pota's Calendar
Title:		JEFF KRUEGER'S BIRTHDAY
Date:		Wednesday November 8, 2006
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.

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At least the first two box sets. (I haven't rented the others yet) :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2006 8:41:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> rackworthykomix@... writes:
>
> Actually, come to think of it, Futurama also doesn't have the Play
> All option.
> But all of my Simpsons DVDs do.
>
>
> Is that the New Futurama
> or the old ones?
>

Okay, I feel a need to comment on this. Yes, I agree, Tim Burton's
POTA was pretty awful (I'm straining to not use explatives to
explain just how awful), but, I think his other movies are pretty
good, the really good ones being Ed Wood and Sleepy Hollow. I
actually went to see the Burton POTA because it was Burton, and
because the make-up effects were cool. Granted, I left the theater
with an urge to kill someone, but, hey, that happens sometimes.
I'm just gonna ride the fence on the Burton-bashing and say that
sometimes it's warranted, but sometimes, not so much.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> Ooh, I'm getting in line, now...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Burton's next pile of crap is to be 'Sweeney Todd', a film about
> the
> > notorious throat slitter in London.Really can't wait to see
> > that.Please, tie me down I'm so excited. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > hello i'm john, new to the group. this has probably been said
> many
> > > times. but being new here i need to vent,and chat with fellow
> fans. I
> > > hope someday in the near future they will make a fabulous
remake
> or a
> > > new ape movie. Or maybe it just needs to be left alone. i am
47,
> and
> > > seeing planet of the apes at the age of 8 affected me like
> nothing
> > > else still to this day. i am constantly trying to write my own
> movie,
> > > and don't seem to come up with anything to honor the original,
> and
> > > that is the only way i would want it. i thought the burton
> version
> > was
> > > pitiful. all they kept talking about in the reviews was the
> fabulous
> > > makeup. big friggin deal. your story was lame. anyway it would
be
> > nice
> > > to chat with others and get your thoughts. thanks
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> JEFF KRUEGER'S BIRTHDAY
> Wednesday November 8, 2006
> All Day
> (This event repeats every year.)

Happy birthday, Jeff. May this event repeat, all day, for many years
to come :0)

Dave

01-14-1972: 'Big One' mission commanded by Colonel Taylor lifts off
from Cape Kennedy. The crew: Landon, Dodge and Lt. Stewart.
Overspread by a sudden and powerful electro-magnetical impulse
generated by the hyperdrive system, the ship disappears from orbital
detection, and it's supposed to have disintegrate after some type of
malfunctioning. Actually, the journey goes on, and the crew is alive
and well despite the unpredictable problems. The electromagnetical
releases, during the whole length of the journey, will be
responsible for the further stimulation of an 'Hasslein Curve' which
interconnects Point A (1972 A.C.) with Point B (3979 A.C.).

NOTE: Taylor in his final report: "Six months indeep space... by OUR
time, that is. According to Doctor Hasslein's Theory of Time in a
vehicle travelling nearly the speed of light, the Earth has aged
nearly seven hundred years since we left it, while we've aged hardly
at all. Hmm. Maybe so." It's just a theory from the astronaut's
perspective, and lately in the movie the younger Landon will express
his scepticism about it. Besides, as Brent pointed out, the Hasslein
Curve should be seen as a "time bending" zone to not confuse with
the spontaneous dilatation in time experienced by Taylor & Co. and
originated by nearlight hyperdrive system (manifactured by aliens;
re-arranged by ANSA engineers).


-------------------------------------------------------> BRENT

1972. Early February. Secretly, a preventive rescue mission to find
and repair Big One is launched with Astronaut Brent and 'Skipper'
Maddox on a brand-new ship, powered by an experimental engine able
to reach "warp velocities". In the desperate effort to track
Taylor's trajectory, they end in a strange distortion outside the
boundaries of Earth's portion of space: the Hasslein Curve,
partially caused by the Big One itself.

NOTE:The Hasslein Curve is a sort of wormhole, a "bend in time".
There are several tidbits to suggest that the Hasslein's Theory of
Time and the Hasslein Curve are two different concepts. Brent's
mission obviously represented a rushed attempt of rescue, and the
ship wasn't equipped with hybernation chambers. Besides, the state
of the ship at the end of the "crossing" was terrible, and Brent
barely survived. It wasn't a regular space journey, and Brent's
account to Skipper was ambiguous.

------------------------------------------------------> DIFFERENCE

HASSLEIN's THEORY OF TIME

When travelling at nearlight speed, a discrepancy is created
between "external" and "subjective" time. Since such discrepancy is
based on constant factors, the 'Dilatation Effect' becomes an ideal
bridge between two specific chronological points in the continuum.
Under such conditions, the "external" time speeds-up while
the "subjective" time obviously slows down, like two parallel panels
which slide in two different directions each other.

HASSLEIN CURVE

The Hasslein Curve is technically a "spot" of energetical distortion
involving a well-localized portion of space; a sort of "physical
debasement". Its structure acts like a wormhole interconnecting two
specific points in the space-time continuum. Such "chrono-
coordinates" (Enter and Exit mouthes) were set by pivotal
electromagnetical releases of the spacecraft vessel known as 'Big
One'. The Exit mouth materialized after some months the last release
(November 3978 A.C.), thus in August 3979 A.C.

----------------------------------------------------->

QUESTION FOR YOU ALL: IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE 'HASSLEIN CURVE'
WASN'T ORIGINATED OR EVEN STIMULATED BY THE BIG ONE SHIP? MAYBE IT
WAS A PRE-EXISTENT SPOT IN SPACE, ALREADY "SET IN PLACE", WITH PRE-
EXISTENT CHRONO-COORDINATES (1972/3979)... BRENT AND SKIPPER
MISFIRE, DIDN'T "GUESS" TAYLOR'S EXACT TRAJECTORY AND THUS
ENCOUNTERED THE HASSLEIN CURVE (WORMHOLE). MAYBE, IT WAS JUST A PURE
COINCIDENCE THAT THEY ENDED IN 3979 A.C., ONE YEAR AFTER TAYLOR (WHO
DOESN'T ENCOUNTERED THE ANOMALY BUT WAS VICTIM OF THE TIME
DILATATION)!


T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timelines.

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You have got to do a video search for

The Monkey Test Prank

 

 

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Jeff, happy birthday--may your timeline be forever circular so that you
last forever.At least I think that's how it works. John.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > JEFF KRUEGER'S BIRTHDAY
> > Wednesday November 8, 2006
> > All Day
> > (This event repeats every year.)
>
> Happy birthday, Jeff. May this event repeat, all day, for many years
> to come :0)
>
> Dave
>

On Hunter's page, Simian Scrolls 02 is broken into two parts - but the link to part 2 actually just has part 1 again.

Also, once again, thanks to Greg and Hunter for their time and effort in sharing these great scans!

Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

Marvel UK issue 108 is now available to download from Hunter's site. In this issue the adaptation of Battle for the Planet of the Apes begins. There's also a letter column and another installment of the reprinting of the Planet adaptation.

 

Also this week the first two issues of Simian Scrolls are available to download in PDF format. Thanks to John Roche, Dave Ballard and all the contributors to Simian Scrolls. More back issues will be made available in the weeks ahead.

 

https://pota. goatley.com

 

Thanks,

Greg

---

Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

The comics demi-god otherwise known as Mike Ploog is interviewed in
Alter Ego #62, October.Doesn't deal with Apes but the cover alone is
worth it. Ploog is appearing at the Los Angeles Comic Book and Science
Fiction Convention in Feb 2007--see www.comicbookscifi.com for
details.Anybody going can thank me be getting a Gunpowder Julius
sketch! John, Scrolls.

> On Hunter's page, Simian Scrolls 02 is broken into two parts - but
> the link to part 2 actually just has part 1 again.

Not anymore. ;-) I've fixed it. Thanks, Todd! (I was going to make
a crack about a circular timeline, but decided against it.)

Hunter

Humanoid Apes,

I strongly believe this. Not only he produced the movies, but nurtured
them and had almost TOTAL creative control, despite the excellent
directors called to film original and sequels.

I think he was somewhat of a "visionary", because he re-imagined
(sounds familiar?) BOULLE's universe from a scratch. So, if BOULLE is
the Grandfather of the Apes and the creator, JACOBS is the father and
the responsible of the POTA MYTHOLOGY and the absolute "re-inventor".
Surely, POTA 2001 is closer to the original novel, and that's quite
fine in my book. JACOBS created a totally new entity, if you think
about it for a moment.

I don't care about the spin-off cartoon being a "stand-alone", my
biggest problem is the lack of JACOBS behind the TV series, because
that impoverishes it of any "artistic" credibility in the critics
perspective. Do you know if there was any Jacobs's involvement, at
least on a seminal stadium, in the production of the series? Too bad,
because I found the series excellent!
I hate the idea to consider the series as a spin-off and *NOT* part of
the saga. Jacobs's involvement would have been the last word.

Have you any trivia or fact to tell me about JACOBS?


T.C. Master of the POTA Alternative Timeline Truth.

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In a message dated 11/7/2006 11:09:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, rackworthykomix@... writes:

I left the theater with an urge to kill someone, but, hey, that happens sometimes.

 

Me too...especially Burton, but I put that down to the flat tire I got on the way to the theater.  That and the leaky a/c in my car in late July in Texas.  I changed the tire, got the Freon done and went to a later show.  And I still wasn't happy.  You can fix a car, but a bad movie?

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2006 11:09:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> rackworthykomix@... writes:
>
> I left the theater with an urge to kill someone, but, hey, that

happens

> sometimes.
>
>
>
>
> Me too...especially Burton, but I put that down to the flat tire I

got on

> the way to the theater. That and the leaky a/c in my car in late

July in

> Texas. I changed the tire, got the Freon done and went to a later

show. And I

> still wasn't happy. You can fix a car, but a bad movie?
>

Okay, we have "Burton" Bashers. Not unlike myself who is
a "Barney" Basher. Hold on a minute while I retrieve my glasses...
Okay.Now I can see...
IT WAS NOT HIS FAULT!!!
I know... You're all lookin' for a rise from me... He had no
choice!
(Ya got one).
It was a terrible script but what did you expect from Fox when
they cut the budget?
It was chopped and edited in what pieces were allowed to be kept.
What if it had been left alone???
Tim Burton HAD the VISION, but "too many cooks spoiled the broth".
The best makeup artist, the best costumer, but not the BEST in
judgement. THAT IS where it all fell through.
The characters were strong and influential, except for a few left
to chase their primeval tails, but the concept was genuine...
THEY TRIED...
THEY OPENED a door that has been closed for almost 40 years...
NOW THAT DOOR IS OPEN...
Anyone care to step through?
Care to take a stab?
Got something better without copying the '68 classic?
I can change tires and I know when it's time for an overhaul...
I can already tell that this is going to pi$$ a lot off but,
dammit, so am I!
I wasn't thrilled with the remake either, but don't bash Burton.
Bash 20th Century Fox!

I don't let Burton off that lightly.Lucas was short on budget and
time, but created a legend with Star Wars.For that matter, Spielberg
managed something similar on Jaws. Ted Post had horrendous cuts in
budget and script on Beneath and still did a fine job.Burton's vision
was horribly mis-judged and poorly executed--if he didn't want his
name on it, walk away.A good script should have been the priority,
not lame jokes and garish armour, poor make-up and scenes so cloudy
you can't see them. John, Scrolls.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/7/2006 11:09:48 P.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > rackworthykomix@ writes:
> >
> > I left the theater with an urge to kill someone, but, hey, that
> happens
> > sometimes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Me too...especially Burton, but I put that down to the flat tire

I

> got on
> > the way to the theater. That and the leaky a/c in my car in late
> July in
> > Texas. I changed the tire, got the Freon done and went to a

later

> show. And I
> > still wasn't happy. You can fix a car, but a bad movie?
> >
> Okay, we have "Burton" Bashers. Not unlike myself who is
> a "Barney" Basher. Hold on a minute while I retrieve my glasses...
> Okay.Now I can see...
> IT WAS NOT HIS FAULT!!!
> I know... You're all lookin' for a rise from me... He had no
> choice!
> (Ya got one).
> It was a terrible script but what did you expect from Fox when
> they cut the budget?
> It was chopped and edited in what pieces were allowed to be kept.
> What if it had been left alone???
> Tim Burton HAD the VISION, but "too many cooks spoiled the

broth".

> The best makeup artist, the best costumer, but not the BEST in
> judgement. THAT IS where it all fell through.
> The characters were strong and influential, except for a few

left

> to chase their primeval tails, but the concept was genuine...
> THEY TRIED...
> THEY OPENED a door that has been closed for almost 40 years...
> NOW THAT DOOR IS OPEN...
> Anyone care to step through?
> Care to take a stab?
> Got something better without copying the '68 classic?
> I can change tires and I know when it's time for an overhaul...
> I can already tell that this is going to pi$$ a lot off but,
> dammit, so am I!
> I wasn't thrilled with the remake either, but don't bash Burton.
> Bash 20th Century Fox!
>

So, John, let me get this straight -- you didn't like it?...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I don't let Burton off that lightly.Lucas was short on budget and
> time, but created a legend with Star Wars.For that matter, Spielberg
> managed something similar on Jaws. Ted Post had horrendous cuts in
> budget and script on Beneath and still did a fine job.Burton's vision
> was horribly mis-judged and poorly executed--if he didn't want his
> name on it, walk away.A good script should have been the priority,
> not lame jokes and garish armour, poor make-up and scenes so cloudy
> you can't see them. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> So, John, let me get this straight -- you didn't like it?...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't let Burton off that lightly.Lucas was short on budget and
> > time, but created a legend with Star Wars.For that matter,

Spielberg

> > managed something similar on Jaws. Ted Post had horrendous cuts in
> > budget and script on Beneath and still did a fine job.Burton's

vision

> > was horribly mis-judged and poorly executed--if he didn't want his
> > name on it, walk away.A good script should have been the priority,
> > not lame jokes and garish armour, poor make-up and scenes so cloudy
> > you can't see them. John, Scrolls.
>

Poor makeup, huh?
Could you recognize any of them except Charleton Heston if their
names had not been emblazoned across the credits? Did you have to wait
till the end to find out who was who?
Budgets today can run into the tens of millions for but one major
motion picture. And I must agree, Burton was weak to allow the big-wigs
to push him toward the Hasty Pudding awards...
Maybe he couldn't walk away. Maybe he was tied by contract to finish
this project: hands tied... He was very adjetated if you ever watched
the extras. You could tell he was unhappy and just wanted to get it
done. That's why he vowed never to do another...
The magic is gone. If there is ever to be another remake it will be
up to an independent film company and they will play hell getting the
rights...
After all, our beloved apes lie in the hands of a new generation who
could give a shit if it's done right just as long as they get a piece
of the pie in the end. They will NEVER let go....

Sincerely,
Thade's Darling Human
;>

Well, Burton is the director with a reputation for radical, aureur
type movies, and yet he's pure studio, never having, himself, made an
independant movie.The make-up was a disgrace in his Apes, lacking in
movement and expression.Stan Winston's tests were massively better
and you CAN lay that at Burton's door, because he got Baker in.Kim
Hunter's Zira had more emotion and sympathy in one excited stare than
Burton's entire troop.I don't hate the film, but, looking back, I
recall the sinking feeling when I first saw all of that red
armour.The spaceship set was truly spectacular, pre and post crash,
but the hunt and the city are just cringe making in parts--the disco
Apes, false teeth etc, just dreadful garbage. Tim aint no Frank, Rick
aint no John, Danny aint no Jerry and Mark aint no actor.The main
feeling now is to glory in just how wonderful the original is, and
mourn the death of truly innovative, talented film making.And the
crime of wasting the talents of Tim Roth! John, Scrolls.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > So, John, let me get this straight -- you didn't like it?...=)
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't let Burton off that lightly.Lucas was short on budget

and

> > > time, but created a legend with Star Wars.For that matter,
> Spielberg
> > > managed something similar on Jaws. Ted Post had horrendous cuts

in

> > > budget and script on Beneath and still did a fine job.Burton's
> vision
> > > was horribly mis-judged and poorly executed--if he didn't want

his

> > > name on it, walk away.A good script should have been the

priority,

> > > not lame jokes and garish armour, poor make-up and scenes so

cloudy

> > > you can't see them. John, Scrolls.
> >
> Poor makeup, huh?
> Could you recognize any of them except Charleton Heston if their
> names had not been emblazoned across the credits? Did you have to

wait

> till the end to find out who was who?
> Budgets today can run into the tens of millions for but one

major

> motion picture. And I must agree, Burton was weak to allow the big-

wigs

> to push him toward the Hasty Pudding awards...
> Maybe he couldn't walk away. Maybe he was tied by contract to

finish

> this project: hands tied... He was very adjetated if you ever

watched

> the extras. You could tell he was unhappy and just wanted to get it
> done. That's why he vowed never to do another...
> The magic is gone. If there is ever to be another remake it will

be

> up to an independent film company and they will play hell getting

the

> rights...
> After all, our beloved apes lie in the hands of a new generation

who

> could give a shit if it's done right just as long as they get a

piece

> of the pie in the end. They will NEVER let go....
>
> Sincerely,
> Thade's Darling Human
> ;>
>

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In a message dated 11/10/2006 12:36:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:

After all, our beloved apes lie in the hands of a new generation who
could give a shit if it's done right just as long as they get a piece
of the pie in the end. They will NEVER let go....

 

Oh I think they might . . . for my NC-17 version!

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:

>
> I don't let Burton off that lightly...


> Adding insult to injury, Star Wars was great in '76, just like

the "apes were in '68. But ole Georgie boy had money. He didn't have
to pay for rights because it was his and his alone. Pierre Boulle was
the sole owner of the "Apes" and had to be bought and paid for for as
many times as the story was told.
It's easy to budget when you know what you want and don't have
anyone to answer to except yourself. Hell, isn't that what we writers
strive for? A story to call our own?