Well, Burton is the director with a reputation for radical, aureur
type movies, and yet he's pure studio, never having, himself, made an
independant movie.The make-up was a disgrace in his Apes, lacking in
movement and expression.Stan Winston's tests were massively better
and you CAN lay that at Burton's door, because he got Baker in.Kim
Hunter's Zira had more emotion and sympathy in one excited stare than
Burton's entire troop.I don't hate the film, but, looking back, I
recall the sinking feeling when I first saw all of that red
armour.The spaceship set was truly spectacular, pre and post crash,
but the hunt and the city are just cringe making in parts--the disco
Apes, false teeth etc, just dreadful garbage. Tim aint no Frank, Rick
aint no John, Danny aint no Jerry and Mark aint no actor.The main
feeling now is to glory in just how wonderful the original is, and
mourn the death of truly innovative, talented film making.And the
crime of wasting the talents of Tim Roth! John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@ > wrote:
> >
> > So, John, let me get this straight -- you didn't like it?...=)
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't let Burton off that lightly.Lucas was short on budget
and
> > > time, but created a legend with Star Wars.For that matter,
> Spielberg
> > > managed something similar on Jaws. Ted Post had horrendous cuts
in
> > > budget and script on Beneath and still did a fine job.Burton's
> vision
> > > was horribly mis-judged and poorly executed--if he didn't want
his
> > > name on it, walk away.A good script should have been the
priority,
> > > not lame jokes and garish armour, poor make-up and scenes so
cloudy
> > > you can't see them. John, Scrolls.
> >
> Poor makeup, huh?
> Could you recognize any of them except Charleton Heston if their
> names had not been emblazoned across the credits? Did you have to
wait
> till the end to find out who was who?
> Budgets today can run into the tens of millions for but one
major
> motion picture. And I must agree, Burton was weak to allow the big-
wigs
> to push him toward the Hasty Pudding awards...
> Maybe he couldn't walk away. Maybe he was tied by contract to
finish
> this project: hands tied... He was very adjetated if you ever
watched
> the extras. You could tell he was unhappy and just wanted to get it
> done. That's why he vowed never to do another...
> The magic is gone. If there is ever to be another remake it will
be
> up to an independent film company and they will play hell getting
the
> rights...
> After all, our beloved apes lie in the hands of a new generation
who
> could give a shit if it's done right just as long as they get a
piece
> of the pie in the end. They will NEVER let go....
>
> Sincerely,
> Thade's Darling Human
> ;>
>

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>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't let Burton off that lightly...
>
>
> > Adding insult to injury, Star Wars was great in '76, just like
> the "apes were in '68. But ole Georgie boy had money. He didn't have
> to pay for rights because it was his and his alone. Pierre Boulle was
> the sole owner of the "Apes" and had to be bought and paid for for as
> many times as the story was told.
> It's easy to budget when you know what you want and don't have
> anyone to answer to except yourself. Hell, isn't that what we writers
> strive for? A story to call our own?
>

>
> Thank you for the invitation to join. I have accepted the kind offer
> and hope to enjoy reading about and discussing all things Ape.
> Nice to meet you all.
> Brendan.
>

>
> Hi Brendan!, you new?. Me too!.
>

After taking last week off to celebrate his birthday, our favorite Simian philosopher is back with a new LESSSON FROM THE LAWGIVER.

This is a very special LESSON written by our good friend, and frequent LFTL contibutor, Elaine. Elaine got married last week and we offer her our most heartfelt congratulations & best wishes.

Also thanks to Glen Scheetz and everyone else who contributed.

To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or click this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Visit all the Group's special features including:

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Also, be sure to join our sub-groups:

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• The POTA File Archive  - Old files that were too large for the files section here.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the invitation to join. I have accepted the kind offer
> and hope to enjoy reading about and discussing all things Ape.
> Nice to meet you all.
> Brendan.
>

In a message dated 11/7/2006 1:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, drhasslein@yahoo. com writes:

Another great way to make friends on this site is to remind everyone
how fantastic POTA 68 is, and find a new and creative way to express
to the group how much POTA 2001 sucked.

 

Now play nice Dr. Hasslein.

I can't believe I'm say that.

 

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>
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2006 12:36:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
>
> After all, our beloved apes lie in the hands of a new generation who
> could give a sh!t if it's done right just as long as they get a

> of the pie in the end. They will NEVER let go....
>
>
>
>
> Oh I think they might . . . for my NC-17 version!
>

>
> Thank you for the invitation to join. I have accepted the kind offer
> and hope to enjoy reading about and discussing all things Ape.
> Nice to meet you all.
> Brendan.
>

great photos

http://www.californ iacoastline. org/cgi-bin/ image.cgi?
image=200500254& mode=sequential& flags=0&year= 2005

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez" <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
>
> great photos
>
>
> http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=200500254&mode=sequential&flags=0&year=2005
>

Thanks all! My wedding was great, perfect and a beautiful day. But now it's back to pota!

Elaine

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>From: taebokitti@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [POTA] Lesson from the Lawgiver/Congratulations Elaine!
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:13:32 EST
>
>Thanks all! My wedding was great, perfect and a beautiful day. But now it's
>back to pota!
>Elaine

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@... wrote:
>
> Thanks all! My wedding was great, perfect and a beautiful day. But
now it's
> back to pota!
> Elaine
>

>
> Thanks all! My wedding was great, perfect and a beautiful day. But

> back to pota!
> Elaine
>

>>Heard of it, but haven't heard it.

>>No argument here. I love the way the "audience" keeps walking in

>>My God, this is horrible:

>> By the way, has anyone here heard the band They Might Be Giants'

> New to this stuff, most definitely.I have been a fan of Apes though
> since 1970/1 when I saw the film for the first time.
> Don't let the locals scare you. They are friendly bunch.
> Brendan.

> I feel small, everybody here is older than me...much older!. Iv'e been
> calling folk mister, miss, ms....mrs. Yep...I feel small. Dosn't
> matter though!. :) Hey, is Hunter Goatley on this site?, or Greg P?.
> If they are...Hello!.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > I feel small, everybody here is older than me...much older!.
Iv'e been
> > calling folk mister, miss, ms....mrs. Yep...I feel small. Dosn't
> > matter though!. :) Hey, is Hunter Goatley on this site?, or Greg
P?.
> > If they are...Hello!.
>
> Hello, Leo. Greg and I are both here.
>
> Hunter
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Leo Seddon" <bsherwood@...> wrote:
>
> I feel small, everybody here is older than me...much older!. Iv'e
been
> calling folk mister, miss, ms....mrs. Yep...I feel small. Dosn't
> matter though!. :) Hey, is Hunter Goatley on this site?, or Greg P?.
> If they are...Hello!.
>

Reminder from:		pota's Calendar
Title:		Planet of the Apes 2001
Date:		Sunday November 12, 2006
Time:		2:00 pm - 4:00 pm
Repeats:		This event does not repeat.

Copyright © 2006  

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>
> I feel small, everybody here is older than me...much older!. Iv'e

> calling folk mister, miss, ms....mrs. Yep...I feel small. Dosn't
> matter though!. :) Hey, is Hunter Goatley on this site?, or Greg P?.
> If they are...Hello!.
>

>
>
> > New to this stuff, most definitely.I have been a fan of Apes

> > since 1970/1 when I saw the film for the first time.
> > Don't let the locals scare you. They are friendly bunch.
> > Brendan.
>
> Don't let the Locals scare me?...What does that mean?. Glad you like
> it here mister!. :D
>

>
> Well, then let's destroy the "wizard of Oz" and a countless
> gathering of others along the way, huh?

> "Fox" is not TRYING to recreate what we love most!

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, then let's destroy the "wizard of Oz" and a countless
> > gathering of others along the way, huh?
>
> I thought 'Return to OZ' (The Disney live-action sequel) was pretty
> good. It could never have hoped to match the popularity of the
> original but - unlike Burton's Apes, it didn't make me feel

>
> Cronenberg's 'The Fly' was, IMHO a brilliant example of how to
> succesfully 're-imagine' a movie.
>
> It can be done!
>
> Dave
>

> > Cronenberg's 'The Fly' was, IMHO a brilliant example of how to
> > succesfully 're-imagine' a movie.
> >
> > It can be done!

In a message dated 11/10/2006 4:27:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@ yahoo.com writes:

Make up was good (leaving to part the hairs of Ari). The illumination and the absence of calm planes in which to delight to us is the problem... I remember the scene of the POTA68 judgment....

 

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>
> No doubt it can be done, but don't destroy a film because some
> did not like it. They really didn't have to be so hasty. For Christ
> sake it took ten years to bring 2001 to the screen. Unfortunately
> they forgot to write a good script to go along with it. :\
> Now let's imagine our "new" cast with a new script - a better
> one. Would you have liked it then?
>

Issue 109 is available to download from Hunter's site. This issue contains the next chapters in the Battle adaptation and the reprinting of the Planet adaptation.

 

Also newly available on Hunter's site are scans of the Hungarian comic book adaptation of Pierre Boulle's novel Monkey Planet. On the PotaDG group Neil Foster has been posting pages with English text, done from scans of a comic obtained by Michael Whitty. Separately, Dave Ballard also obtained a copy of this comic, and cleaned-up a set of scans retaining the Hungarian text. Dave's scans are available now, either as low-res individual jpegs or a high-res PDF. Neil's English language pages (7 completed so far) are currently available in the PotaDG group files, but should be available to download from Hunter's site in the near future.

 

https://pota.goatley.com

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/

 

Greg

 

.

 

 

In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:51:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@ yahoo.com writes:

whats the meaning of WTF?

 

What The F***?

 

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> Attar was a good character well cast. Michael Clarke
> Duncan has
> presence and made an under utilised character
> memorable.

>
> Carey Tagawa in my opinion stole the show with his
> wise, troubled, caring Krull.....
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
>
> ahh, english is not my language. Thanks for the lesson.
>
> I repeat that the scene of the judgment in POTA68 is an example
of how to show a good make up.
>
> JR
>
>
> LordTZer0@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:51:01 A.M. Central
Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:
> whats the meaning of WTF?
>
>
>
> What The F***?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
>
> The cover and first 7 pages of Neil's English-adapted version of the
Hungarian Monkey Planet comic are now available on Hunter's site.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com
>
> Greg

> Why is there a stupid-looking water-mark in the background of every
> page?...It ruins the entire look...It would have been nice to have a
> pristine-looking translation,

Oh, Jose, do you mean that you liked the make-up in the scene where
Taylor's on trial?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@ ...> wrote:
>
> ahh, english is not my language. Thanks for the lesson.
>
> I repeat that the scene of the judgment in POTA68 is an example
of how to show a good make up.
>
> JR
>
>
> LordTZer0@.. . wrote:
> In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:51:01 A.M. Central
Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@ ... writes:
> whats the meaning of WTF?
>
>
>
> What The F***?
>
>
>
>
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> p.s Anyone want to nominate someone to make the next Ape picture?

>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2006 12:45:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
>
> For Christ sake it took ten years to bring 2001 to the screen.
>
>
>
> No it didn't.
> It took them 10 years to greenlight it.
> Then they only spent 8 months on it.
> If only they took as long to "bring it
> to the screen" as they did making up
> their minds, if you can call them that.
>

>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:51:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> joseramonruizdiez@... writes:
>
> whats the meaning of WTF?
>
>
>
>
> What The F***?
>

>
>
> >
> > No doubt it can be done, but don't destroy a film because some
> > did not like it. They really didn't have to be so hasty. For

> > sake it took ten years to bring 2001 to the screen. Unfortunately
> > they forgot to write a good script to go along with it. :\
> > Now let's imagine our "new" cast with a new script - a better
> > one. Would you have liked it then?
> >
>
> New cast,or new characters?
> I had problems with both.
> Mark Wahlberg was a Major(pun intended) piece of mis-casting.
> I don't even remember some of the character names.No interest.
> Particularly the humans. Who was the boy, and what was the use of

> (rhetorical)
> Daena was a bit of fluff, but no patch on Nova as a character.
> Not to mention the Human crew on the Station (shite I've even
> forgotten it's name)
> Some other slave human who escaped with them.All scarred and South
> Central LA looking.What was his role?
> And on and on.
> Attar was a good character well cast. Michael Clarke Duncan has
> presence and made an under utilised character memorable.
>
> Tim Roth is a great actor, but even he suffered playing a real

> Part of the charm of Cornelius & Zira was the fact that they were

> real chimps but evolved Chimps more human (insult)in

> Thade was more like the Mirror Universe, Cheetah.
>
> So would I like to see another Ape film with the same cast and
> characters?
> No.
> But I would love to see another Ape film.
>
> It is a real pity that Peter Jackson didn't decide to do Apes.He
> considered it, but Lord Of The Rings was more attractive to him.
> Brendan.
>

>
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2006 12:45:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
>
> For Christ sake it took ten years to bring 2001 to the screen.
>
>
>
> No it didn't.
> It took them 10 years to greenlight it.
> Then they only spent 8 months on it.
> If only they took as long to "bring it
> to the screen" as they did making up
> their minds, if you can call them that.
>

>
>
> In a message dated 11/11/2006 12:19:45 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
>
> Fan Fiction, right?
>
>
>
> Oh hell no!
> If I can't get the rights
> and final cut with complete creative control
> I wouldn't film it. Something Burton should
> have learned. How did he ever get so far?
>

>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2006 11:20:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> bsherwood@... writes:
>
> Iv'e been calling folk mister
>
>
>
> Don't call me Mister, or I'll call you that.
> Oh sure, being called Sir is like gray hair,
> It's cool if you're in your 20's. Now it just
> make me feel old. And getting old sucks!
>

>
> I agree with the lack of true talent as compared to 1968.I wouldn't
> use Oscar as a benchmark of the talent though.
> The work of those people speaks volumes.
> It started a phenomenom.
> Apes 2001 did not have to be a misfire.
> Updates, remakes,re-imagines or whatever you call them, can be well
> crafted.
> Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, The Fly and even Bond show that
> the new kids in town (alright Cronenberg is an oldie)can update
> their nostalgia with talent and reverence.
> Apes 2001 made the mistake of not reverring the source or the

> who were waiting for it.The audience.
> Instead the Corporation just put out something shiny hoping that

> masses would not look for substance.
> I honestly think that Hollywood has less and less talented

> available to it because it focused too much on money.
> There is talent out there, around the world but Fox will never

> creative control to be given to one or two truly talented people.
> Brendan.
> p.s Anyone want to nominate someone to make the next Ape picture?
>

>
> Frank Darabont should make the next Apes picture, with Hans Zimmer

> music and Stan Winston on score.Paul Bettany would be a great
> Taylor/Merou .Ken Cranham as Zaius, Meryl Streep as Zira.John,
> Scrolls.
> >

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Frank Darabont should make the next Apes picture, with Hans Zimmer
> on
> > music and Stan Winston on score.Paul Bettany would be a great
> > Taylor/Merou .Ken Cranham as Zaius, Meryl Streep as Zira.John,
> > Scrolls.
> > >
>
> John, I note you put yourself forward for the part of Scrolls.
> Brendan.
>

>
> Greetings, Friends of Apes!
>
> >
> Priscilla Feral, president of Friends of Animals, said that she

>
> > Peace.
>
> Helen
>

>
> We know Zira has a family, because Lucius is her nephew,so she must
> have at least one brother or sister .Is there any plot/script reason
> why Milo couldn't be Zira's brother and the father of Lucius? John,
> Scrolls.
>

> is it the 14 dvd set with 'Ceasar' Bust/head?

This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Glen and all who contributed.

To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or click this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website  - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "thadesdarlinghuman "
<thadesdarlinghuman @...> wrote:

> "Fox" is not TRYING to recreate what we love most!

No, they tried to recreate what THEY love most - a cash cow with some
longevity.

To do that they needed to go back and study the original and try to
understand what made it work. Good writers, good directors, good
actors - in short, people in front of, and behind the camera who are
each at the top of thier game.

If they are going to do that and then brush thier hands of it, fine.
Just don't go calling it 'Planet of the Apes' is all. Call it
something like 'Talking monkeys' instead.

Dave

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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "thadesdarlinghuman "
<thadesdarlinghuman @...> wrote:
>
> Well, then let's destroy the "wizard of Oz" and a countless
> gathering of others along the way, huh?

I thought 'Return to OZ' (The Disney live-action sequel) was pretty
good. It could never have hoped to match the popularity of the
original but - unlike Burton's Apes, it didn't make me feel embarrased.

Cronenberg's 'The Fly' was, IMHO a brilliant example of how to
succesfully 're-imagine' a movie.

It can be done!

Dave

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Cape Fear was another admirable re-make, that some think better than
the original. The various Gunfight at the OK Corral movies have all
had merit---the key is to truly understand and respect the source
material and to bring something else to the party to ENHANCE the
experience and create a film that can stand on it's own merits, not
be melted by the glow of a classic original.Otherwise, there's no
point, other than to grab a buck, the irony being that if you make a
good movie, you'll probably make lots more bucks anyway.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "thadesdarlinghuman "
> <thadesdarlinghuman @> wrote:
> >
> > Well, then let's destroy the "wizard of Oz" and a countless
> > gathering of others along the way, huh?
>
> I thought 'Return to OZ' (The Disney live-action sequel) was pretty
> good. It could never have hoped to match the popularity of the
> original but - unlike Burton's Apes, it didn't make me feel
embarrased.
>
> Cronenberg's 'The Fly' was, IMHO a brilliant example of how to
> succesfully 're-imagine' a movie.
>
> It can be done!
>
> Dave
>

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>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
>Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:26 am ((PST))
>We know Zira has a family, because Lucius is her nephew,so she must
>have at least one brother or sister .Is there any plot/script reason
>why Milo couldn't be Zira's brother and the father of Lucius? John,
>Scrolls.