>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Can any one help me by senting me a copy via attachment of the POTA
> Timeline from the Marvel Magazine issue #11 please.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Peter.
>

>
> At last the long-awaited issue 117 is here! Why is it long-awaited,

>
> This week's issue continues the Battle and Beneath adaptations, and

>
> https://pota.goatley.com
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>

> I'm a newbie here, so I'd like to apologise in advance for asking
> questions you've probably debated for years!
>

> I've just rewatched the TV series and am awaiting delivery of the
> animated series. As soon as I watched the first episode I realised

> were significant differences between the series and the films (I

> saw the series when I was 8, which was far too long ago to remember
> these details...). Naively thought I could check up on the internet

> find the answer. How wrong I was, though it has opened my eyes to a

> community I never knew existed...
>
> I'm nailing my colours to the mast straight away and saying I'm an
> ALTERNATIVE TIMELINES fan rather than a Circular one (it means we

> a more optimistic note, and I'm a sucker for a happy ending...).

> My questions are:
>
> 1) I've found a lot of composite or circular timelines on various
> websites, but I haven't found an alternative timelines one. Can

> point me in the right direction?

> 2) I know the animated series is a continuity nightmare, but some
> timelines place it 3479 and others 3970. Why the radical

> 3) Is the new 'Revolution' comic book set in a circular or

> timeline? Actually, that might not matter until they start

> events after 'Battle'...

> 4) In my head I'm treating all filmed material as canon and comics

> as speculative (I'd like to consider the animated series as canon as
> well but I may reserve judgement until after I've rewatched it!).

> not a great fan, but I've seen one timeline that's even integrated

> Burton's 'Apes' into it. Do people consider it part of the original

> universe??

>
> Thanks for your help!
>

>1) I've found a lot of composite or circular timelines on various
>websites, but I haven't found an alternative timelines one. Can anyone
>point me in the right direction?

>2) I know the animated series is a continuity nightmare, but some
>timelines place it 3479 and others 3970. Why the radical differences?

>3) Is the new 'Revolution' comic book set in a circular or alternative
>timeline? Actually, that might not matter until they start chronicling
>events after 'Battle'...

>4) In my head I'm treating all filmed material as canon and comics etc
>as speculative (I'd like to consider the animated series as canon as
>well but I may reserve judgement until after I've rewatched it!).

>I'm not a great fan, but I've seen one timeline that's even integrated Tim
>Burton's 'Apes' into it. Do people consider it part of the original POTA
>universe??

>The POTA film series is a failed circular timeline. Dehn didn't complete the
>loop, too many inconsistencies. Hence, it's really two alternate timelines
>-- AND THAT'S JUST THE FACTS!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "john" <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> i find the first two movies great. even though there is good
writing in
> escape. i can't get passed the idea they resurrected taylors ship,
and
> i thought since zira ,and cornelius were born in the future, when
they
> go to the past they should have witnessed the ape uprise, and
maybe
> even try to stop it, rather then having a child be responsible for
it.
> because the ape dominatin happened way before they were born. i
think a
> bettter 3rd movie could have been a prequel of mankind before apes
> dominated. without them travelling from the future. tell how apes
were
> being trained,to do duties, and they were gradually getting
smarter,
> but not threatning. then you have some kind of world bombs going
off
> destroying major parts of mankind. but not all. then man and apes
are
> on equal ground, and thats how it evolves to the first two movies.
>

http://movies. groups.yahoo. com/group/ pota/files/ 760827_CBSapesOp en1b.wmv
The *famous* CBS Friday Night Movies opening for 'Planet of the Apes,'
as aired 8-27-76. A nifty find, apparently from a TV station's
discarded U-Matic tape library, and a New Year's present for POTA
fans. :-)

---

Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels
in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/11/2007 3:47:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> john@... writes:
>
> The 'help me' bit has ALWAYS confused me. Is Taylor even talking
to
> Zaius when he says that---maybe he's asking God for help in
getting
> his battered body over to the button? It's a mystery
>
>
>
> No it isn't. He says, "Zaius, help me!"
> And Zaius say, "Help you? Man is capable
> of nothing but destruction!" Then Taylor
> blows up the world. Seems straight forward to me.
>

Exactly, alternate timelines is just one way to explain the inconsistencies. There are other explainations just as creative and imaginative.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> >The POTA film series is a failed circular timeline. Dehn didn't complete the
> >loop, too many inconsistencies. Hence, it's really two alternate timelines
> >-- AND THAT'S JUST THE FACTS!
>
> Or, at least, one way of looking at things.
>

Welcome to the group Gary. Please avail yourself of all the groups resources.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "garyroskell" <gary@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a newbie here, so I'd like to apologise in advance for asking
> questions you've probably debated for years!
>
> I've just rewatched the TV series and am awaiting delivery of the
> animated series. As soon as I watched the first episode I realised there
> were significant differences between the series and the films (I last
> saw the series when I was 8, which was far too long ago to remember
> these details...). Naively thought I could check up on the internet and
> find the answer. How wrong I was, though it has opened my eyes to a POTA
> community I never knew existed...
>
> I'm nailing my colours to the mast straight away and saying I'm an
> ALTERNATIVE TIMELINES fan rather than a Circular one (it means we end on
> a more optimistic note, and I'm a sucker for a happy ending...)

Don't worry we won't hold that against you;-)

 > My questions are:
>
> 1) I've found a lot of composite or circular timelines on various
> websites, but I haven't found an alternative timelines one. Can anyone
> point me in the right direction?

Most timelines are circular. There is an excellent dual timeline in the datebase section of the Apecalypse_Now group.

> 2) I know the animated series is a continuity nightmare, but some
> timelines place it 3479 and others 3970. Why the radical differences?

I believe the later date is what is stated in the series. The earlier year was probably used to by someone trying to fit the animated series into a timeline with the films.

> 3) Is the new 'Revolution' comic book set in a circular or alternative
> timeline? Actually, that might not matter until they start chronicling
> events after 'Battle'...

It's set in a circular timeline.

> 4) In my head I'm treating all filmed material as canon and comics etc
> as speculative (I'd like to consider the animated series as canon as
> well but I may reserve judgement until after I've rewatched it!). I'm
> not a great fan, but I've seen one timeline that's even integrated Tim
> Burton's 'Apes' into it. Do people consider it part of the original POTA
> universe??
>
> Thanks for your help!
>

Frankly, I think timelines that try to fit all versions of POTA into one timeline are crazy. Each deserves to exist in their own universe. The novel is one universe. The films are another. The TV series another, so on and so forth.

There have been many incarnations of Superman over the years but no one ever tries to fit the comics, the '50s TV series, the Chris Reeve films, the Lois & Clark series, the Smallville series and the latest film into one timeline. Each is respected as a different interpetation. I feel the same about POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> You should be able to find it on Hunter's
> site...https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Can any one help me by senting me a copy via attachment of the
POTA
> > Timeline from the Marvel Magazine issue #11 please.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Peter.
> >
>

Peter,

You can find a version of the Marvel timeline on the Forbidden Zone site (http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/info/apeline..html").

I hope you're not considering changing your timeline based on what Marvel did. They made too many mistakes. In my opinion your timeline is one of the best ever done. I'd rank it up there with the timeline in "The Planet of the Apes Chronicles" which was based on Paul Dehn's original timeline.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> Looked at Goatley's site. There is Issue #11, but it is the wrong
> one, I need the American version.
>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
> >
> > You should be able to find it on Hunter's
> > site...https://pota.goatley.com/
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Can any one help me by senting me a copy via attachment of the
> POTA
> > > Timeline from the Marvel Magazine issue #11 please.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Peter.
> > >
> >
>

>
> In a message dated 1/11/2007 9:34:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> phil_harmonik2005@... writes:
>
> ~ An original POTA joke by Jonathan Rich
>
> To qualify as a joke wouldn't it have to be funny?

>
>
> In a message dated 1/14/2007 11:56:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> p3murds@... writes:
>
> Maybe someone who is more respected in this POTA community?
>
>
>
> Ha!
> Trust me, you're probably as respected as anyone.
>

>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pota
> group.
>
> File : /PotaThadeLincoln.jpg
> Uploaded by : phil_harmonik2005 <phil_harmonik2005@...>
> Description : An image I stumbled across some time ago. Not sure where
> it's from. A proposal I think, of one part of how 'modern' Earth apes
> took over Earth- just one scene rooted in Burton's film.
>
> You can access the file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaThadeLincoln.jpg
>
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>
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>
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> Description : A magazine parody cover I like for POTA: Battle :-)
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JamesA1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pota
> > group.
> >
> > File : /PotaThadeLincoln.jpg
> > Uploaded by : phil_harmonik2005 <phil_harmonik2005@...>
> > Description : An image I stumbled across some time ago. Not
sure where
> > it's from. A proposal I think, of one part of how 'modern' Earth
apes
> > took over Earth- just one scene rooted in Burton's film.
> >
> > You can access the file at the URL:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaThadeLincoln.jpg
> >
> > Your group is currently configured to send you email
> > notification whenever a member uploads a file. To turn off
> > notification, visit:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/join
> >
> > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group
> > service for the pota group.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>Posted by: "James" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
> >In my opinion your timeline is one of the best ever done.

>
> Thanks Jon.

> This looks like it is from Kevin Smith's 'Jay &
> Silent Bob' comic.

> Smith tells a great story about how he almost
> got into a feud with Tim Burton over this.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Smith tells a great story about how he almost
> > got into a feud with Tim Burton over this.
>
> Kool :-) Got a URL for that? I'd love to read
> it :-)
>
> ~ Jon
>

It's your own fault for putting Conquest on the West Coast. Deal with it;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> >Posted by: "James" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
> > >In my opinion your timeline is one of the best ever done.
>
>
> <<sniff>>
>
>
> Harrumph.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Oh I had one that was way way better!
> James censored it because it wasn't funny.
>

> > > Smith tells a great story about how he almost
> > > got into a feud with Tim Burton over this.

> Unfortunately no link. It's in "An Evening with Kevin Smith" which
> occasionally runs on cable.

>
> Unfortunately no link. It's in "An Evening with
> Kevin Smith" which occasionally runs on cable.

>
> > > > Smith tells a great story about how he almost
> > > > got into a feud with Tim Burton over this.
>
> > Unfortunately no link. It's in "An Evening with
> > Kevin Smith" which occasionally runs on cable.
>
> Related URL:
>
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=290

>
> Damn right! No lame jokes on this group.
>
> Of course we make an exception for John be-
> cause he's special!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh I had one that was way way better!
> > James censored it because it wasn't funny.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> Peter, give me a couple of days and I can scan a copy to you. I
have the
> original Marvel magazine.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/17/07 18:21:06
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: Marvel Magazine #11 Time Line.Reply#2
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> You can find a version of the Marvel timeline on the Forbidden Zone
site
> (http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/info/apeline..html.
>
> I hope you're not considering changing your timeline based on what
Marvel
> did. They made too many mistakes. In my opinion your timeline is
one of the
> best ever done. I'd rank it up there with the timeline in "The
Planet of the
> Apes Chronicles" which was based on Paul Dehn's original timeline.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi Glen,
>
> >
>
> > Looked at Goatley's site. There is Issue #11, but it is the wrong
>
> > one, I need the American version.
>
> >
>
> > Regards.
>
> >
>
> > Peter.
>
> >
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" HotScheetz@ wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > You should be able to find it on Hunter's
>
> > > site...https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> > >
>
> > > G
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63"
<peter_karsten63@>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Hi everyone,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Can any one help me by senting me a copy via attachment of
the
>
> > POTA
>
> > > > Timeline from the Marvel Magazine issue #11 please.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Peter.
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

>
> what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.

> of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked a
> prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past, but

> how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and teaching
> apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes and
> humans are equal fighting for control.
>

>
> It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their

> could they
>
> possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and Cornelius

> trouble
>
> accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the first

> (Cornelius:
>
> "Flight is a scientific impossibility!" Zira: "And even if it

> why fly? Where
>
> would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for

> questions you
>
> may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third

> was landed, how
>
> could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
> functional ship, ready
>
> to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even he

> have figured
>
> out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as a
> spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did

> do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> www.ansanaut.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
>
>
> what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.

>
> of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked a
>
> prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past, but

>
> how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and

>
> apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes

>
> humans are equal fighting for control.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their
technology, how
> could they
>
> possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and Cornelius
had
> trouble
>
> accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the first
movie
> (Cornelius:
>
> "Flight is a scientific impossibility!" Zira: "And even if it
weren't..
> why fly? Where
>
> would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for
any
> questions you
>
> may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third
ship that
> was landed, how
>
> could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
> functional ship, ready
>
> to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even he
couldn't
> have figured
>
> out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as a
> spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did
learn how to
> do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> www.ansanaut.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
>
>
> what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
instead
>
> of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked a
>
> prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past, but
show
>
> how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and
teaching
>
> apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes
and
>
> humans are equal fighting for control.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> A fox website I came across during a POTA search :-)
>
>
> You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy Icons
> there... that you may wish to download and use :-) Not
> a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing, I
> think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on the main
> page.
>
> http://www.foxhome.com/apes35/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> ~ Jon Rich
>

>Posted by: "James" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
>It's your own fault for putting Conquest on the West Coast.
>Deal with it;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Jon...Kuel find...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A fox website I came across during a POTA search :-)
> >
> >
> > You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy Icons
> > there... that you may wish to download and use :-) Not
> > a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing, I
> > think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on the main
> > page.
> >
> > http://www.foxhome.com/apes35/
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > ~ Jon Rich
> >
>

>
> Thanks. Jon...Kuel find...
>
> G

> Hello all,
>
> A fox website I came across during a POTA search
> :-)
>
>
> You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy
> Icons
> there... that you may wish to download and use :-)
> Not
> a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing,
> I
> think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on
> the main
> page.
>
> http://www.foxhome.com/apes35/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> ~ Jon Rich
>
>

> --- Jonathan <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A fox website I came across during a POTA search
> > :-)
> >
> > You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy
> > Icons there... that you may wish to download and
> > use :-) Not a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's
> > a good thing, I think :-) Click the 'Downloads'
> > button there on the main page.
> >
> > http://www.foxhome.com/apes35/
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > ~ Jon Rich

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Cool find [Jon]... odd though they haven't updated
> the site to include the Ultimate and Legacy versions
> ... just shows that Fox doesn't think much about POTA!
> Tim

I have agree with you there. Fox needs to pay it
more attention. They seem to forget that such things
lead... to increased sales. With them, 'money' is the
thing, right? Well... it usually is. And considering
their immense resources they surely could offer a wider
variety of wallpapers, at least.

Oh well...

~ Jon Rich

>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
>It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship is
>Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.

>Posted by: "Glen" HotScheetz@... hotscheetz
>I've found that if you start "throwing out", or disregarding, facts
>established in the movies in favor of some "pet" theory, you don't
>have much, if anything to stand on...

>Posted by: "thadesdarlinghuman" thadesdarlinghuman@...
>thadesdarlinghuman
> There has to be a new beginning somewhere...
> It began with the 2001 version...

>
> >Posted by: "thadesdarlinghuman" thadesdarlinghuman@...
> >thadesdarlinghuman
> > There has to be a new beginning somewhere...
> > It began with the 2001 version...
> [CONFUSING RANT SNIPPED]
>
> I'm sorry, but...er...um..........what?
>

>
> I wouldn't change a thing in POTA.
> I would only rework the sequels.
> The original POTA is perfect.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> John and Glen, I have these comments.
>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship and didn't
have the
> side hatch that was shown in ESCAPE.

As far as continuity goes, you're right...They added the seats and
hatch in ESCAPE because the story called for it...Can you imagine
trying to get the three apes out that little nose-hatch in those
spacesuits?...

The actual ship mock-up was exactly the same in PLANET, BENEATH and
ESCAPE...In BENEATH, they added the tail wreckage, and in ESCAPE they
added the hatch...
>
> 2--As stated before, how could our chimp friends, as primitive as
their
> society was, be able to figure out how to repair such a complicated
piece of
> machinery such as a NASA spacecraft...when it takes years for an
astronaut
> to be closed up in simulators and the like to figure how as to how
to
> program data into the computers, etc.? I still believe that Milo
studied
> books and papers in the spacecraft (of which was mentioned in the
ESCAPE
> novelization) and was able to launch the ship with Zira and
Cornelius.

Agreed...Cornelius said Milo had studied the ship, and half
understood it...It's not impossible to believe that Milo was some
sort of prodigy, or a genius ala Steven Hawking...
>
> 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have
to admit
> that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was
much smaller
> Taylor's ship sank in that lake, and the water ruined all of the
> instruments*...at any rate, his ship was a total loss. The same
applies for
> the ship Skipper Maddox landed. Chris Shields of ANSANAUT and I
strongly
> believe that the third ship was landed by Brent. Yes, he probably
did land
> his on the seaboard, because he had to find a place to set
down...and since
> Skipper's ship was in trouble, I believe that it caught on fire or
something
> something down, and Brent, after he landed his ship, he simply had
to hike
> the several miles to where Skipper crash-landed, to where he
extricated him
> out of the ship and get him to a comfortable spot (of which we see
in
> BENEATH).

The problem here is that there is nothing in any movie to remotely
substantiate your theories...If Brent land a third ship on the
seaboard, he would have to hike for an average of six days to get to
Skipper...In PLANET it was established that they only had supplies
for three...Also, if Brent had a ship on the seaboard, why did he
say, "I have to get back up there. I don't know how..."?...

Like I said in a previous post, when you start adding "pet-theories"
to the established facts, you don't have a leg to stand on...Now, if
it doesn't matter if there's any proof, then you can say whatever you
please...Then there could even be a "mother-ship"!...=)

G
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/19/07 08:36:27
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
>
> It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship
is
>
> Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>
> nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>
> automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.
>
> >
>
> > It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their
>
> technology, how
>
> > could they
>
> >
>
> > possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and
Cornelius
>
> had
>
> > trouble
>
> >
>
> > accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the
first
>
> movie
>
> > (Cornelius:
>
> >
>
> > "Flight is a scientific impossibility!" Zira: "And even if it
>
> weren't..
>
> > why fly? Where
>
> >
>
> > would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for
>
> any
>
> > questions you
>
> >
>
> > may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third
>
> ship that
>
> > was landed, how
>
> >
>
> > could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
>
> > functional ship, ready
>
> >
>
> > to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even
he
>
> couldn't
>
> > have figured
>
> >
>
> > out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as
a
>
> > spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did
>
> learn how to
>
> > do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> >
>
> > books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Zach
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > www.ansanaut.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -------Original Message-------
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> >
>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
>
> instead
>
> >
>
> > of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked
a
>
> >
>
> > prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past,
but
>
> show
>
> >
>
> > how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and
>
> teaching
>
> >
>
> > apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes
>
> and
>
> >
>
> > humans are equal fighting for control.
>
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "john" <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
instead
> of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked a
> prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past, but
show
> how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and teaching
> apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes and
> humans are equal fighting for control.
>

The wallpapers are also available for download on the Download page of the Group Website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Downloads.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan" <phil_harmonik2005@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> A fox website I came across during a POTA search :-)
>
>
> You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy Icons
> there... that you may wish to download and use :-) Not
> a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing, I
> think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on the main
> page.
>
> http://www.foxhome.com/apes35/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> ~ Jon Rich
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Rawlings" <troyyortus@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the exact time interval for the layer transistion(s)
> on the Return to the Planet of the Apes DVD?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I've found that if you start "throwing out", or disregarding, facts
> established in the movies in favor of some "pet" theory, you don't
> have much, if anything to stand on...
> In EFTPOTA it is definitely said that the ship the apes arrived in
> was "the one commander by Colonel Taylor"...
>
> G
>

>
>
> Does it seem to anyone else that some of these web
> articles reference POTA out of the blue in the hopes
> that it will trigger everyone's Google Alert, in the
> hopes that someone might read it?

Will that be canons at dusk? If so, don't forget your cigarillo case.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> The sequels were not 'poor' after Beneath--they are MAGNIFICENT!!! They
> are three of the most significant films in my life and I now formally
> demand honour and call you out for a duel, you bounder.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mayday! Mayday! I've been hit! I'm going down! Mayday!
>
> <<Rich spirals down out of control and crashes into Statue of
> Liberty, knocking off its head and torch arm>>
>

>
> John and Glen, I have these comments.
>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship and didn't

> side hatch that was shown in ESCAPE.
>
> 2--As stated before, how could our chimp friends, as primitive as

> society was, be able to figure out how to repair such a complicated

> machinery such as a NASA spacecraft...when it takes years for an

> to be closed up in simulators and the like to figure how as to how

> program data into the computers, etc.? I still believe that Milo

> books and papers in the spacecraft (of which was mentioned in the

> novelization) and was able to launch the ship with Zira and

>
> 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have

> that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was

> Taylor's ship sank in that lake, and the water ruined all of the
> instruments*...at any rate, his ship was a total loss. The same

> the ship Skipper Maddox landed. Chris Shields of ANSANAUT and I

> believe that the third ship was landed by Brent. Yes, he probably

> his on the seaboard, because he had to find a place to set

> Skipper's ship was in trouble, I believe that it caught on fire or

> something down, and Brent, after he landed his ship, he simply had

> the several miles to where Skipper crash-landed, to where he

> out of the ship and get him to a comfortable spot (of which we see

> BENEATH).
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/19/07 08:36:27
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
>
> It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship

>
> Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>
> nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>
> automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.
>
> >
>
> > It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their
>
> technology, how
>
> > could they
>
> >
>
> > possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and

>
> had
>
> > trouble
>
> >
>
> > accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the

>
> movie
>
> > (Cornelius:
>
> >
>
> > "Flight is a scientific impossibility!" Zira: "And even if it
>
> weren't..
>
> > why fly? Where
>
> >
>
> > would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for
>
> any
>
> > questions you
>
> >
>
> > may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third
>
> ship that
>
> > was landed, how
>
> >
>
> > could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
>
> > functional ship, ready
>
> >
>
> > to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even

>
> couldn't
>
> > have figured
>
> >
>
> > out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as

>
> > spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did
>
> learn how to
>
> > do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> >
>
> > books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Zach
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > www.ansanaut.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -------Original Message-------
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> >
>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
>
> instead
>
> >
>
> > of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked

>
> >
>
> > prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past,

>
> show
>
> >
>
> > how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and
>
> teaching
>
> >
>
> > apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes
>
> and
>
> >
>
> > humans are equal fighting for control.
>
> >
>

>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship

Fox launched a second site for them: http://www.planetoftheapesdvd.com/.

Links to sll of Fox's plus many other great POTA websites are available in the group's Links Section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/links.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> cool find Rich....odd thought they haven;t updated the
> site to include the Ultinate and Legacy
> versions...just shows that Fox doesn;t think much
> about POTA!
> Tim
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have to
admit
> that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was much
smaller

>
>
> Fox launched a second site for them:
> http://www.planetoftheapesdvd.com/
> <http://www.planetoftheapesdvd.com/> .

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship was
> bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the water--
> -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo pulled it
> out. John, Scrolls.

>
> John, John, John -- you fool!...Do you honestly think
> that NASA would use 100% wool or cotton in the construc-
> tion of their ships!?...They would definitely have em-
> ployed a polyester mixed blend, or some other synthetic!
> ...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may times
> you washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer
> on anything other than a 'delicates' setting, well, I
> don't even want to think about it!...
>
> G

>
> > how the intrepid astronauts arrive on the planet
> > to begin with. For one... no 'crash landing'.
>
> I think that you can't really remove this scene be-
> cause it's really part of the symbology in the story.
> That man, through his own yet irreversible means, has
> found himself in a world that is beyond his control,
> and worse, where he is a captive. Planet of the Apes
> as American Myth by Eric Greene is probably the best
> write-up on this part of the movie and it goes on to
> compare it to (like it or not) the rich white male
> losing control of his world to "women, blacks, the
> poor and other 'minorities.' " Waking up and finding
> out that they are not only not the ones in control, but
> that they are hated for having retained that control for
> so long. And just like a genie that can't be put back
> in the bottle, this is the way the world now is and
> there's no going back for the men. I think the sinking
> of the ship is a powerful metaphor for that.
>
> Or scrap all that and say that if they could leave
> anytime they wanted, the terror of the situation
> would be severely lessened. Almost like 2001 Planet
> of the Apes... : )
>
> Matt

> (P.S. I wouldn't mind a discussion on the above, but
> please don't flame me regarding what was said about
> minorities. We all know better now (me too, I pro-
> mise) but that is/was part of the world that Planet
> of the Apes was created in.)

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew L. Jones" <kotefare@> wrote:
> >
> > > how the intrepid astronauts arrive on the planet
> > > to begin with. For one... no 'crash landing'.
> >

>
> I really have to disagree here. When the ship sinks Taylor says, "OK
> we're here to stay". I think the is a very important element of the
> story. Taylor (and the other astronauts) are stranded. There is no
> going back, they have to go foward.
> Even later in the film when Taylor is captured by the apes, there is
> really no place for him to go if he escapes. He can't get back to

> or into space. He's totally alone and stuck where he is.
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew L. Jones" <kotefare@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > how the intrepid astronauts arrive on the planet
> > > > to begin with. For one... no 'crash landing'.
> > >
>

>
> I really have to disagree here. When the ship sinks
> Taylor says, "OK we're here to stay". I think the
> is a very important element of the story.

>
> Fox launched a second site for them:
> http://www.planetoftheapesdvd.com/
> <http://www.planetoftheapesdvd.com/> .
>
> Links to sll of Fox's plus many other great POTA
> websites are available
> in the group's Links Section:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/links
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/links> .
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > cool find Rich....odd thought they haven;t updated
> the
> > site to include the Ultinate and Legacy
> > versions...just shows that Fox doesn;t think much
> > about POTA!
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
>
>