>
>
> Does it seem to anyone else that some of these web-articles
> reference POTA out of the blue in the hopes that it will trigger
> everyone's Google Alert, in the hopes that someone might read it?
>

>
> Human + simian = "Prequel"...
> Before Taylor, there had to have been a troop of scientists...
> Perhaps in his time only sent far ahead and he trailed only to
> find what "they" had developed: ie, a race of talking apes...
> Thus presents Planet of the Apes "2001"...
> Take off from there... It presents a fresh palette, really...
> Think about it. Their whole existence is primitive, right?
> The firearms were brought to them - therefor the future lies and
> who are their fathers and mothers?
> Take it away Rod Serling wannbes...
>

>
> Human + simian = "Prequel"...
> Before Taylor, there had to have been a troop of scientists...
> Perhaps in his time only sent far ahead and he trailed only to
> find what "they" had developed: ie, a race of talking apes...
> Thus presents Planet of the Apes "2001"...
> Take off from there... It presents a fresh palette, really...
> Think about it. Their whole existence is primitive, right?
> The firearms were brought to them - therefore the future
> lies and who are their fathers and mothers?
> Take it away Rod Serling wannbes...

> You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy Icons
> there... that you may wish to download and use :-) Not
> a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing, I
> think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on the main
> page.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> Typical of Fox. In the IM "buddy icons", the filename for the Zaius
> icon spells his name "zeus".
>
> Hunter
>

John, John, John -- you fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their ships!?...They
would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some other
synthetic!.. .There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may times you
washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything other
than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think about
it!...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship was
> bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the water--
> -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo pulled it
> out. John, Scrolls.

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I wouldn't dare criticize anyone for doing so, because we ALL do it to
one degree or another, but... I think there's a fine line between
analyzing these films and OVER-analyzing them. (Same as there's a fine
line between a fisherman and someone standing by a river with a pole
in thier hand).

Analyzing these films reveals that the spaceship props in Planet and
Escape (and the TV show) are quite different. Over-analyzing them
suggests that there is an definite intended reason. It certainly makes
for a fun and lively discussions but in such cases I'd be wary of
digging in my heels and suggesting that others are wrong.

FOX were probably, for budgetary reasons, unwilling to reproduce the
design of the first movie so they made something smaller and cheaper.
Back then film-makers never expected anyone to re-visit the original
movie to compare the two. Back then the average person had no way of
doing so!

The movies tell us that the ships are the same - that works for me. As
far as I'm aware no one has (yet) suggested any theories why David
Watson's 'Cornelius' is so unlike Roddy's?

The suggestion that Milo was able to resurrect Taylor's ship is no
more difficult for me to believe than any other fantasy plot point in
the series ("Talking monkeys! Spaceships!" ).

I love these movies as much as anyone here and that comes with a
willingness suspend belief and just embrace thier occasional faults
just as much as the vast expanse of things they got right.

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Well, you have a few problems here, if you're accepting the movies as
canon...

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:
>
> John and Glen, I have these comments.
>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship and didn't
have the
> side hatch that was shown in ESCAPE.

As far as continuity goes, you're right...They added the seats and
hatch in ESCAPE because the story called for it...Can you imagine
trying to get the three apes out that little nose-hatch in those
spacesuits?. ..

The actual ship mock-up was exactly the same in PLANET, BENEATH and
ESCAPE...In BENEATH, they added the tail wreckage, and in ESCAPE they
added the hatch...
>
> 2--As stated before, how could our chimp friends, as primitive as
their
> society was, be able to figure out how to repair such a complicated
piece of
> machinery such as a NASA spacecraft.. .when it takes years for an
astronaut
> to be closed up in simulators and the like to figure how as to how
to
> program data into the computers, etc.? I still believe that Milo
studied
> books and papers in the spacecraft (of which was mentioned in the
ESCAPE
> novelization) and was able to launch the ship with Zira and
Cornelius.

Agreed...Cornelius said Milo had studied the ship, and half
understood it...It's not impossible to believe that Milo was some
sort of prodigy, or a genius ala Steven Hawking...
>
> 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have
to admit
> that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was
much smaller
> Taylor's ship sank in that lake, and the water ruined all of the
> instruments* ...at any rate, his ship was a total loss. The same
applies for
> the ship Skipper Maddox landed. Chris Shields of ANSANAUT and I
strongly
> believe that the third ship was landed by Brent. Yes, he probably
did land
> his on the seaboard, because he had to find a place to set
down...and since
> Skipper's ship was in trouble, I believe that it caught on fire or
something
> something down, and Brent, after he landed his ship, he simply had
to hike
> the several miles to where Skipper crash-landed, to where he
extricated him
> out of the ship and get him to a comfortable spot (of which we see
in
> BENEATH).

The problem here is that there is nothing in any movie to remotely
substantiate your theories...If Brent land a third ship on the
seaboard, he would have to hike for an average of six days to get to
Skipper...In PLANET it was established that they only had supplies
for three...Also, if Brent had a ship on the seaboard, why did he
say, "I have to get back up there. I don't know how..."?...

Like I said in a previous post, when you start adding "pet-theories"
to the established facts, you don't have a leg to stand on...Now, if
it doesn't matter if there's any proof, then you can say whatever you
please...Then there could even be a "mother-ship" !...=)

G
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: 01/19/07 08:36:27
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
>
> It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship
is
>
> Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>
> nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>
> automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.
>
> >
>
> > It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their
>
> technology, how
>
> > could they
>
> >
>
> > possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and
Cornelius
>
> had
>
> > trouble
>
> >
>
> > accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the
first
>
> movie
>
> > (Cornelius:
>
> >
>
> > "Flight is a scientific impossibility! " Zira: "And even if it
>
> weren't..
>
> > why fly? Where
>
> >
>
> > would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for
>
> any
>
> > questions you
>
> >
>
> > may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third
>
> ship that
>
> > was landed, how
>
> >
>
> > could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
>
> > functional ship, ready
>
> >
>
> > to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even
he
>
> couldn't
>
> > have figured
>
> >
>
> > out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as
a
>
> > spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did
>
> learn how to
>
> > do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> >
>
> > books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Zach
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > www.ansanaut. com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -------Original Message----- --
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> >
>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
>
> instead
>
> >
>
> > of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked
a
>
> >
>
> > prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past,
but
>
> show
>
> >
>
> > how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and
>
> teaching
>
> >
>
> > apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes
>
> and
>
> >
>
> > humans are equal fighting for control.
>
> >
>

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>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@johnroche6. wanadoo.co. uk shanter2002
>It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship is
>Col.Taylor' s vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.

Agreed. Illogical though it may seem, it was definitely Taylor's
ship -- NASA/ANSA would know what ship they were looking at since it
was their technology. The "third-ship" concept is pretty cool,
actually, and the Ansanaut site is a lot of fun and very well
researched -- but the films don't support it.

>Posted by: "Glen" HotScheetz@aol. com hotscheetz
>I've found that if you start "throwing out", or disregarding, facts
>established in the movies in favor of some "pet" theory, you don't
>have much, if anything to stand on...

Agreed. That, in fact, was one of the challenges I faced with my
timeline. I did work the comic and novel adaptations in, but
anything specifically stated on film took precedence over something
contradictory in an adaptation.

>Posted by: "thadesdarlinghuman " thadesdarlinghuman@ yahoo.com
>thadesdarlinghuman
> There has to be a new beginning somewhere...
> It began with the 2001 version...
[CONFUSING RANT SNIPPED]

I'm sorry, but...er...um. ......... what?

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In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:56:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, thadesdarlinghuman@ yahoo.com writes:

No wonder Fox is afraid to try again...

Yeah, because they spent 10 years developing the remake -- and it still SUCKED!

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I wouldn't change a thing in POTA.
I would only rework the sequels.
The original POTA is perfect.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> The sequels were not 'poor' after Beneath--they are MAGNIFICENT! !! They
> are three of the most significant films in my life and I now formally
> demand honour and call you out for a duel, you bounder.John, Scrolls.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:
>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship

But we never saw inside the ship in Escape. Those scenes were cut and
other than a few stills have never been seen. Therefore, any comparison
between the inside of the Taylor's ship and the one in Escape is
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I would like to forward this to my friend Chris at ANSANAUT.  When he contacts me, I'll post his answers.   Zach      -------Original Message----- --   From: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: 01/20/07 22:59:21 To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel   Well, you have a few problems here, if you're accepting the movies as canon... --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote: > > John and Glen, I have these comments. > > > > 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship and didn't have the > side hatch that was shown in ESCAPE. As far as continuity goes, you're right...They added the seats and hatch in ESCAPE because the story called for it...Can you imagine trying to get the three apes out that little nose-hatch in those spacesuits?. .. The actual ship mock-up was exactly the same in PLANET, BENEATH and ESCAPE...In BENEATH, they added the tail wreckage, and in ESCAPE they added the hatch... > > 2--As stated before, how could our chimp friends, as primitive as their > society was, be able to figure out how to repair such a complicated piece of > machinery such as a NASA spacecraft.. .when it takes years for an astronaut > to be closed up in simulators and the like to figure how as to how to > program data into the computers, etc.? I still believe that Milo studied > books and papers in the spacecraft (of which was mentioned in the ESCAPE > novelization) and was able to launch the ship with Zira and Cornelius. Agreed...Cornelius said Milo had studied the ship, and half understood it...It's not impossible to believe that Milo was some sort of prodigy, or a genius ala Steven Hawking... > > 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have to admit > that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was much smaller > Taylor's ship sank in that lake, and the water ruined all of the > instruments* ...at any rate, his ship was a total loss. The same applies for > the ship Skipper Maddox landed. Chris Shields of ANSANAUT and I strongly > believe that the third ship was landed by Brent. Yes, he probably did land > his on the seaboard, because he had to find a place to set down...and since > Skipper's ship was in trouble, I believe that it caught on fire or something > something down, and Brent, after he landed his ship, he simply had to hike > the several miles to where Skipper crash-landed, to where he extricated him > out of the ship and get him to a comfortable spot (of which we see in > BENEATH). The problem here is that there is nothing in any movie to remotely substantiate your theories...If Brent land a third ship on the seaboard, he would have to hike for an average of six days to get to Skipper...In PLANET it was established that they only had supplies for three...Also, if Brent had a ship on the seaboard, why did he say, "I have to get back up there. I don't know how..."?... Like I said in a previous post, when you start adding "pet-theories" to the established facts, you don't have a leg to stand on...Now, if it doesn't matter if there's any proof, then you can say whatever you please...Then there could even be a "mother-ship" !...=) G > > > > Zach > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > From: pota@yahoogroups. com > > Date: 01/19/07 08:36:27 > > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel > > > > It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship is > > Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave, > > nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without > > automatic pilot. John, Scrolls. > > > > > > It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their > > technology, how > > > could they > > > > > > possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and Cornelius > > had > > > trouble > > > > > > accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the first > > movie > > > (Cornelius: > > > > > > "Flight is a scientific impossibility! " Zira: "And even if it > > weren't.. > > > why fly? Where > > > > > > would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for > > any > > > questions you > > > > > > may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third > > ship that > > > was landed, how > > > > > > could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully > > > functional ship, ready > > > > > > to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even he > > couldn't > > > have figured > > > > > > out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as a > > > spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did > > learn how to > > > do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the > > > > > > books and papers that he found onboard the ship). > > > > > > > > > > > > Zach > > > > > > > > > > > > www.ansanaut. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: pota@yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51 > > > > > > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Subject: [POTA] prequel > > > > > > > > > > > > what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath. > > instead > > > > > > of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked a > > > > > > prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past, but > > show > > > > > > how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and > > teaching > > > > > > apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes > > and > > > > > > humans are equal fighting for control. > > > >

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Well, you have a few problems here, if you're accepting the movies as
canon...

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:
>
> John and Glen, I have these comments.
>
>
>
> 1--Taylor's ship was much larger, was a four-seated ship and didn't
have the
> side hatch that was shown in ESCAPE.

As far as continuity goes, you're right...They added the seats and
hatch in ESCAPE because the story called for it...Can you imagine
trying to get the three apes out that little nose-hatch in those
spacesuits?. ..

The actual ship mock-up was exactly the same in PLANET, BENEATH and
ESCAPE...In BENEATH, they added the tail wreckage, and in ESCAPE they
added the hatch...
>
> 2--As stated before, how could our chimp friends, as primitive as
their
> society was, be able to figure out how to repair such a complicated
piece of
> machinery such as a NASA spacecraft.. .when it takes years for an
astronaut
> to be closed up in simulators and the like to figure how as to how
to
> program data into the computers, etc.? I still believe that Milo
studied
> books and papers in the spacecraft (of which was mentioned in the
ESCAPE
> novelization) and was able to launch the ship with Zira and
Cornelius.

Agreed...Cornelius said Milo had studied the ship, and half
understood it...It's not impossible to believe that Milo was some
sort of prodigy, or a genius ala Steven Hawking...
>
> 3--The military probably thought that it was Taylor's ship--I have
to admit
> that they did favor each other--but this ship that returned was
much smaller
> Taylor's ship sank in that lake, and the water ruined all of the
> instruments* ...at any rate, his ship was a total loss. The same
applies for
> the ship Skipper Maddox landed. Chris Shields of ANSANAUT and I
strongly
> believe that the third ship was landed by Brent. Yes, he probably
did land
> his on the seaboard, because he had to find a place to set
down...and since
> Skipper's ship was in trouble, I believe that it caught on fire or
something
> something down, and Brent, after he landed his ship, he simply had
to hike
> the several miles to where Skipper crash-landed, to where he
extricated him
> out of the ship and get him to a comfortable spot (of which we see
in
> BENEATH).

The problem here is that there is nothing in any movie to remotely
substantiate your theories...If Brent land a third ship on the
seaboard, he would have to hike for an average of six days to get to
Skipper...In PLANET it was established that they only had supplies
for three...Also, if Brent had a ship on the seaboard, why did he
say, "I have to get back up there. I don't know how..."?...

Like I said in a previous post, when you start adding "pet-theories"
to the established facts, you don't have a leg to stand on...Now, if
it doesn't matter if there's any proof, then you can say whatever you
please...Then there could even be a "mother-ship" !...=)

G
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message----- --
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: 01/19/07 08:36:27
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
>
> It is explicitly stated in Escape, by the military, that the ship
is
>
> Col.Taylor's vessel.I don't know how a car works, nor a microwave,
>
> nor a video---but I can turn them on and make them go, even without
>
> automatic pilot. John, Scrolls.
>
> >
>
> > It wasn't Taylor's ship that the apes fixed. Given their
>
> technology, how
>
> > could they
>
> >
>
> > possibly have accomplished something like that? Zira and
Cornelius
>
> had
>
> > trouble
>
> >
>
> > accepting the paper airplane that Taylor made for them in the
first
>
> movie
>
> > (Cornelius:
>
> >
>
> > "Flight is a scientific impossibility! " Zira: "And even if it
>
> weren't..
>
> > why fly? Where
>
> >
>
> > would it get you?") I'd suggest you try the ANSANAUT website for
>
> any
>
> > questions you
>
> >
>
> > may have regarding the third ship. There was definitely a third
>
> ship that
>
> > was landed, how
>
> >
>
> > could it be otherwise? What Milo found on the seaboard was a fully
>
> > functional ship, ready
>
> >
>
> > to go. Even though Milo may have been a genius chimpanzee, even
he
>
> couldn't
>
> > have figured
>
> >
>
> > out all of the ins and outs of such complicated machinery such as
a
>
> > spacecraft, and especially in so short of a time. What he did
>
> learn how to
>
> > do, however, was from what he'd read in manuals (the
>
> >
>
> > books and papers that he found onboard the ship).
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Zach
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > www.ansanaut. com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -------Original Message----- --
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > Date: 01/18/07 17:04:51
>
> >
>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > Subject: [POTA] prequel
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > what has always bothered me is the poor sequels after beneath.
>
> instead
>
> >
>
> > of them fixing taylors ship (farfetched idea) i would have liked
a
>
> >
>
> > prequel. how it was before planet. no apes travel to the past,
but
>
> show
>
> >
>
> > how apes evolved to dominance, not only is man training and
>
> teaching
>
> >
>
> > apes, but also some nuclear bombs go off worldwide, and now apes
>
> and
>
> >
>
> > humans are equal fighting for control.
>
> >
>

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>
> > You'll find a few new POTA wallpapers and Buddy Icons
> > there... that you may wish to download and use :-) Not
> > a huge find, but it's POTA, so... it's a good thing, I
> > think :-) Click the 'Downloads' button there on the
> > main page.
>
> Typical of Fox. In the IM "buddy icons", the
> filename for the Zaius icon spells his name
> "zeus".
>
> Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people here
>
> Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote: John, John, John -- you
fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their ships!?...They
> would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
other
> synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may times
you
> washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
other
> than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think about
> it!...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship
was
> > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the
water--
> > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
pulled it
> > out. John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Apes 68 is the gem. Beneath is a nice sequel. The rest
> needed time and more thought. I'm always trying to think
> of better sequels in the scifi logic realm. For one I
> would have done a different type of prequel than escape.
> No apes travel to the past. We just show earth in 1972
> have them talking about Taylor or Brent going into space.
> Things are normal on earth, and apes are being used in
> major experiments. No Zira, or Cornelius. They used them
> because they were the box office names to carry the story.
> again we see apes getting a bit intelligent, but nothing
> dangerous yet. Then of course other things are going on
> in the world. And then we have major bombs going off world
> wide. Leaving the planet in major ruins, but there is still
> life. Now with apes intelligant, they are now equal to hu-
> mans, and eventually start to rule.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> the writers say it was the same ship, and even if its not. how was it
launced.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> I am accepting the movies as canon in the most possible way threw
scifi. i think it's believable apes could evolve to dominate in a sci
fi story, but they didn't make it believable in a scifi way to use the
ship to go back in the past.

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Here's a dilema I am facing. I would like to know about the group's
> feeling about the Nuclear War issue on when it started/finished.
>
> Evidence via books, Marvel, Comics surgests it started in 1992. But
> in the movie 'Battle' it is emplied it started/finished in 2006; in
> my timeline (My Timeline uses the movies as its back bone) which
> makes the film dated at 2018, Mendez states they had 12 years of
> peace.
>
> So my question is, which year was the Nuclear War?
>
> 1992 or 2006?
>
> Any feed back will be appreciated to solve this question, hopefully
> once and for all.
>
> Regards.
>
> Peter.
>

>
> Issue 119 is now available to download, with chapters of Battle and

>
> The gorillas on this week's cover are sporting an odd hairstyle.

>
> https://pota.goatley.com
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>

>
> The Oscar nominations were announced this morning, and among the

>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean?...I am serious!...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> >
> > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people
here
> >
> > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
ships!?...They
> > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
> other
> > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
times
> you
> > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
> other
> > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
about
> > it!...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship
> was
> > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the
> water--
> > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> pulled it
> > > out. John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > TV dinner still cooling?
> > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> >
>

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From: Mike R

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:13 AM

Subject: [POTA] Ape fans ought to check out Ark 2

http://www.amazon. com/Ark-II- Complete- 2/dp/B000IU37UC/ sr=8-1/qid= 1163387274/ ref=pd_bbs_ sr_1/002- 4532753-8133651? ie=UTF8&s= dvd

Ark 2 was a Saturday Morning live action show from 1976 about a group of
scientists trying to help people in post apocolyptic Earth in the 25'th
century. A lot of filming was done in the outdoor locations occupied by
Planet Of The Apes filming a few years earlier.

Indeed, at least in the pilot episode (haven't seen the whole set of shows
yet) a group of people dwell in a structure that looks like (and probabaly
was) a leftover set piece from Ape city.

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> Never seen that, must have been a USA only show.

In a message dated 1/23/2007 10:53:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, p3murds@aol. com writes:

Funny, I said the same to my 17 year old son!  But I do respect, and appreciate our president, so I don't see an Ape up there besides Nancy Pelosi.

 

~Paul

 

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>
> What do you mean?...I am serious!...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> >
> > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people here
> >
> > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their

> > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
> other
> > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may times
> you
> > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
> other
> > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think

> > it!...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship
> was
> > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the
> water--
> > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> pulled it
> > > out. John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > TV dinner still cooling?
> > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> >
>

Milo may have been a genius, but, given the apes' technology, how in the world (no pun intended) could he have possibly raised Taylor's ship from that lake?    To quote ANSANAUT:   How the  (expletives deleted) did three chimpanzee scientists, Cornelius, Zira, and Milo, manage to do all of the following: A) Find Taylor's ANSA spacecraft. B) Raise it off the bottom of the lake bed. C) Repair all the damage to the ship. D) Make it air tight again. E) Replace the explosively detonated escape hatch. F) Restore power to the ship? G) Get the spacecraft (which doesn't have any engines!) back into Earth orbit. H) Gut the interior, removing the four suspended animation chambers, getting rid of Stewart's body, and removing her seat. I)  Rearrange the interior so that the three remaining seats are now mounted side by side, left to right. J) Install a side opening hatch in the original ANSA spacecraft where one never existed before. K) Figure out how to do any of this when they don't even believe that Ape can fly, let alone that Man is smart enough to fly (and it takes years to train an astronaut, but these primitive chimpanzees learned the same knowledge in just a few days poking and prodding...) .   Zach    -------Original Message----- --   From: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: 01/23/07 23:28:30 To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel   Well, if you can believe that apes can talk, why can't you belive that a genius ape could find Taylor's ship and that he "studied it, and half understood it"?... G --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@ ...> wrote: > > I am accepting the movies as canon in the most possible way threw scifi. i think it's believable apes could evolve to dominate in a sci fi story, but they didn't make it believable in a scifi way to use the ship to go back in the past.

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Well, since that was never addressed in the scripts, movies, books or
comic adaptations, your guess is as good as mine...And that's just what
it would be -- a guess...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@ ...> wrote:
>
> the writers say it was the same ship, and even if its not. how was it
launced.
>

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yes, well the duel is on. to use the word magnificent is an insult to the first two .their needs to be some logic even in scifi. again the ship or a ship returning the way it did is ridiculous, and we can go on with the other movies, and their lazy and we don't have to make sense all the time writing, was obviously just to make money
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--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> The sequels were not 'poor' after Beneath--they are MAGNIFICENT! !! They
> are three of the most significant films in my life and I now formally
> demand honour and call you out for a duel, you bounder.John, Scrolls.

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Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The fate of
the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can fly
spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news that all
our energies are being devoted to this issue.
There is no place for Humour here.
This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous nature of
some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
demanded that all humour content be removed from every print of
Planet Of The Apes.
Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak no
Evil' moment in the Trial.
And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her stupid
reference to Parrots.
Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out any
and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio demanding it
be removed.
If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one Disc.
This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.

Then, this here discussion group can focus.

I like Glen, am totally serious.

So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at childish pun
humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)

Brendan. (8-I

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@ ...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean?...I am serious!...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@ > wrote:
> >
> > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people
here
> >
> > Glen <HotScheetz@ > wrote: John, John, John -- you
> fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
ships!?...They
> > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
> other
> > synthetic!.. .There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
times
> you
> > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
> other
> > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
about
> > it!...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's ship
> was
> > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in the
> water--
> > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> pulled it
> > > out. John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ---
> > TV dinner still cooling?
> > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> >
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The fate of
> the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can fly
> spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
> I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news that all
> our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> There is no place for Humour here.
> This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous nature
of
> some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
> demanded that all humour content be removed from every print of
> Planet Of The Apes.
> Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak no
> Evil' moment in the Trial.
> And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her stupid
> reference to Parrots.
> Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out any
> and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio demanding it
> be removed.
> If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
> running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one Disc.
> This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
>
> Then, this here discussion group can focus.
>
> I like Glen, am totally serious.
>
> So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at childish pun
> humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
>
> Brendan. (8-I
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people
> here
> > >
> > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> ships!?...They
> > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
> > other
> > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
> times
> > you
> > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
> > other
> > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
> about
> > > it!...
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's
ship
> > was
> > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in
the
> > water--
> > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> > pulled it
> > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > >
> >
>

>
> Never seen that, must have been a USA only show.
>
> Robert Mansell
>
> Take a look at my auctions on ebay.....
> http://tinyurl.com/6x887
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike R
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:13 AM
> Subject: [POTA] Ape fans ought to check out Ark 2
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Ark-II-Complete-2/dp/B000IU37UC/sr=8-

>
> Ark 2 was a Saturday Morning live action show from 1976 about a

> scientists trying to help people in post apocolyptic Earth in the

> century. A lot of filming was done in the outdoor locations

> Planet Of The Apes filming a few years earlier.
>
> Indeed, at least in the pilot episode (haven't seen the whole set

> yet) a group of people dwell in a structure that looks like (and

> was) a leftover set piece from Ape city.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> Milo may have been a genius, but, given the apes' technology, how
in the
> world (no pun intended) could he have possibly raised Taylor's ship
from
> that lake?
>
>
>
> To quote ANSANAUT:
>
>
>
> How the (expletives deleted) did three chimpanzee scientists,
Cornelius,
> Zira, and Milo, manage to do all of the following:
>
> A) Find Taylor's ANSA spacecraft.
>
> B) Raise it off the bottom of the lake bed.
>
> C) Repair all the damage to the ship.
>
> D) Make it air tight again.
>
> E) Replace the explosively detonated escape hatch.
>
> F) Restore power to the ship?
>
> G) Get the spacecraft (which doesn't have any engines!) back into
Earth
> orbit.
>
> H) Gut the interior, removing the four suspended animation
chambers, getting
> rid of Stewart's body, and removing her seat.
>
> I) Rearrange the interior so that the three remaining seats are
now mounted
> side by side, left to right.
>
> J) Install a side opening hatch in the original ANSA spacecraft
where one
> never existed before.
>
> K) Figure out how to do any of this when they don't even believe
that Ape
> can fly, let alone that Man is smart enough to fly (and it takes
years to
> train an astronaut, but these primitive chimpanzees learned the same
> knowledge in just a few days poking and prodding...).
>
>
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Date: 01/23/07 23:28:30
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
>
> Well, if you can believe that apes can talk, why can't you belive
that
>
> a genius ape could find Taylor's ship and that he "studied it, and
half
>
> understood it"?...
>
>
>
> G
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am accepting the movies as canon in the most possible way threw
>
> scifi. i think it's believable apes could evolve to dominate in a
sci
>
> fi story, but they didn't make it believable in a scifi way to use
the
>
> ship to go back in the past.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2007 10:53:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> p3murds@... writes:
>
> Funny, I said the same to my 17 year old son! But I do respect, and
> appreciate our president, so I don't see an Ape up there besides
Nancy Pelosi.
>
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
> Rep. = Gorillas
> Dem. = Orangs
> Ind. = Chimps
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> i'm believing the apes can talk, because over 2000 years, it makes
sense that they could have evolved that way. but fix the ship, and
launch it in a few days. PLEASE !
>
>
> zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
> Milo may have been a genius, but, given the
apes' technology, how in the world (no pun intended) could he have
possibly raised Taylor's ship from that lake?
>
> To quote ANSANAUT:
>
> How the (expletives deleted) did three chimpanzee scientists,
Cornelius, Zira, and Milo, manage to do all of the following: A)
Find Taylor's ANSA spacecraft.
> B) Raise it off the bottom of the lake bed.
> C) Repair all the damage to the ship.
> D) Make it air tight again.
> E) Replace the explosively detonated escape hatch.
> F) Restore power to the ship?
> G) Get the spacecraft (which doesn't have any engines!) back into
Earth orbit.
> H) Gut the interior, removing the four suspended animation
chambers, getting rid of Stewart's body, and removing her seat.
> I) Rearrange the interior so that the three remaining seats are
now mounted side by side, left to right.
> J) Install a side opening hatch in the original ANSA spacecraft
where one never existed before.
> K) Figure out how to do any of this when they don't even believe
that Ape can fly, let alone that Man is smart enough to fly (and it
takes years to train an astronaut, but these primitive chimpanzees
learned the same knowledge in just a few days poking and prodding...).
>
>
>
> Zach
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 01/23/07 23:28:30
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [POTA] Re: prequel
>
>
> Well, if you can believe that apes can talk, why can't you
belive that
> a genius ape could find Taylor's ship and that he "studied it, and
half
> understood it"?...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> >
> > I am accepting the movies as canon in the most possible way threw
> scifi. i think it's believable apes could evolve to dominate in a
sci
> fi story, but they didn't make it believable in a scifi way to use
the
> ship to go back in the past.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> thats why the ship going to the past is stupid. now i know we can
pick out other faults in the movie. but thats a major one
>
> Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote: Well, since that was never
addressed in the scripts, movies, books or
> comic adaptations, your guess is as good as mine...And that's just
what
> it would be -- a guess...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> >
> > the writers say it was the same ship, and even if its not. how
was it
> launced.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@...> wrote:
>
> now your just being silly, when i say serious, i'm talking about my
personal scifi fantasy's. i like them to be as real as possible in
the scifi realm.
>
> brendan486 <nzape@...> wrote: Yeah your right. This is a
serious business we are in. The fate of
> the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can fly
> spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
> I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news that all
> our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> There is no place for Humour here.
> This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous nature
of
> some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
> demanded that all humour content be removed from every print of
> Planet Of The Apes.
> Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak no
> Evil' moment in the Trial.
> And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her stupid
> reference to Parrots.
> Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out any
> and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio demanding it
> be removed.
> If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
> running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one Disc.
> This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
>
> Then, this here discussion group can focus.
>
> I like Glen, am totally serious.
>
> So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at childish pun
> humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
>
> Brendan. (8-I
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people
> here
> > >
> > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> ships!?...They
> > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or some
> > other
> > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
> times
> > you
> > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on anything
> > other
> > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
> about
> > > it!...
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's
ship
> > was
> > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in
the
> > water--
> > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> > pulled it
> > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
>

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
> <thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:
> >
> > Human + simian = "Prequel"...
> > Before Taylor, there had to have been a troop of scientists...
> > Perhaps in his time only sent far ahead and he trailed only to
> > find what "they" had developed: ie, a race of talking apes...
> > Thus presents Planet of the Apes "2001"...
> > Take off from there... It presents a fresh palette, really...
> > Think about it. Their whole existence is primitive, right?
> > The firearms were brought to them - therefore the future
> > lies and who are their fathers and mothers?
> > Take it away Rod Serling wannbes...
>
> Now here's an idea that would create some real intrigue,
> the premise that at least one among Taylor's crew was a mole
> of sorts, a 'spy' of a kind, one tasked to see if some kind
> of nefarious experiment indeed bore any fruit the results
> predicted or just plain unknown.
>
> And interesting tool indeed, using time-travel to view
> the long-term results of such wide-sweeping experiments with
> such potential. Needless to say, it seems that a lot has
> gone wrong though, much to mankind's detriment.
>
> The idea of some scientists being sent ahead, to develop
> 'talking apes' for whatever reason... such as to test new
> kind of gene manipulation technologies, which meay be illegal
> in the true present.
>
> Taking a hop into the 'future' does have some merit as
> an actual tool, in the sense that... if those scientists
> return to the present, the future they created... simply
> doesn't come to be. This is hard to imagine, that future
> never coming to be, because most people imagine the future
> more as a'place' rather than a time. To leap to a future
> that hasn't actually 'happened' yet, offers up the possi-
> bility to go 'there', then came back... esentially reset-
> ting time in a sense, with what was done in the future
> being... 'undone'. It 'can't have happened. This return-
> ing to the present and resetting time, may also fulfill a
> sci-fi premise that returning to the present causes time
> to branch off into a different timethread. That altered
> future may continue on, but as a separate branch of time
> that the current present time-thread or branch will never
> see. Another premise that's been used, presumes that there
> are infinite universes where everything that can happen,
> does indeed happen. Time travel is thulsy then a form of
> universe-jumping travel. To effect another time-line uni-
> verse means not affecting one's own. Other universes then
> become test-beds of sorts to experiment in. Not ethical
> perhaps... messing with someone else's universe, but still
> there as a possibility for such use.
>
> Such things a excellent tools for the imagination, and
> it helps to present still another theory as to what has
> 'apparently' happened in the entire POTA series. In ESCAPE...
> the Apes we see can be defined as not from this universe, but
> another one of a great many parallel to our own, one where
> perhaps Taylor's ship did not land in the water, but on dry
> land (as I don't recall that Zira said that the ships was
> actually salvaged 'from the water'), and a universe where
> Doctor Milo 'could' indeed figure things out to again re-
> launch the ship to land on the Earth of their past. Tech-
> nically then... those Apes in ESCAPE 'aren't' the 'actual'
> Apes that the Taylor we knew had met and adventured with.
> They're transuniversal Apes... and no one is aware of that.
> They have no way of determining it. As a rule, I can imagine,
> time travel which id 'actually' universe hopping, most likely
> occurs with those universes which are 'closest' to us within
> those multiple dimensions that contain them all. There are
> like an infinite number of others, that are much further away
> and less accessible.
>
> This basic principle is utilized in the TV show 'Sliders'
> quite routinely, and the further that get away from the uni-
> verse of their origin, the more radically different things
> are... to the travelers involved. They're not jumping time,
> they're jumping the various universe-planes of all existance.
>
> As far as presenting theories is concerned, this explains
> things as well as anything else I've seen as an explanation,
> and from the sci-fi point of view- it works :-) Sliders at
> least... proved that :-) No one it seems, argues their means
> or the principal of doing so. it is... just as it is, accep-
> ted in full :-)
>
> ~ Jon
>

>
> i am as big a pota fan than anyone, and i just like the series to

>
> Brendan,
>
> Can I be the head of the "Not-Serious" department?...Can I,
> huh?...Can I?...
>
> Seriously,
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The fate

> > the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can fly
> > spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
> > I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news that

> > our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> > There is no place for Humour here.
> > This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous nature
> of
> > some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
> > demanded that all humour content be removed from every print of
> > Planet Of The Apes.
> > Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak no
> > Evil' moment in the Trial.
> > And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her

> > reference to Parrots.
> > Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> > So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out any
> > and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> > misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio demanding

> > be removed.
> > If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
> > running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one Disc.
> > This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
> >
> > Then, this here discussion group can focus.
> >
> > I like Glen, am totally serious.
> >
> > So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at childish

> > humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
> >
> > Brendan. (8-I
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@>

> > > >
> > > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some people
> > here
> > > >
> > > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> > > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> > ships!?...They
> > > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or

> > > other
> > > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
> > times
> > > you
> > > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on

> > > other
> > > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
> > about
> > > > it!...
> > > >
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's
> ship
> > > was
> > > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in
> the
> > > water--
> > > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when Milo
> > > pulled it
> > > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> Brendan,
>
> Can I be the head of the "Not-Serious" department?...Can I,
> huh?...Can I?...
>
> Seriously,
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The fate
of
> > the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can fly
> > spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
> > I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news that
all
> > our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> > There is no place for Humour here.
> > This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous
nature
> of
> > some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
> > demanded that all humour content be removed from every print of
> > Planet Of The Apes.
> > Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak no
> > Evil' moment in the Trial.
> > And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her
stupid
> > reference to Parrots.
> > Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> > So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out
any
> > and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> > misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio demanding
it
> > be removed.
> > If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
> > running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one
Disc.
> > This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
> >
> > Then, this here discussion group can focus.
> >
> > I like Glen, am totally serious.
> >
> > So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at childish
pun
> > humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
> >
> > Brendan. (8-I
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some
people
> > here
> > > >
> > > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> > > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> > ships!?...They
> > > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or
some
> > > other
> > > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how may
> > times
> > > you
> > > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on
anything
> > > other
> > > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to think
> > about
> > > > it!...
> > > >
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why Taylor's
> ship
> > > was
> > > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land in
> the
> > > water--
> > > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when
Milo
> > > pulled it
> > > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@> wrote:
> >
> > i am as big a pota fan than anyone, and i just like the series to
> make more sense in the scifi format. with scifi we can have a lot
of
> possibilites , but there is a logic. for instance in scifi their
can
> be time travel. but not the way escape presented it.
>
> Rule Number 1: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!
>
> The science of HG Wells and ER Burroughs is complete rubbish but it
> doesn't affect my enjoyment of thier stories one little bit. For
the
> duration of the novels I'm happy to believe in Martians, and
tripods,
> and worlds at the centre of the Earth. When I put the books down
I'm
> back in the real world, same as when I switch off my DVD after
having
> watched 'Escape'.
>
> To expect a series of movies made in the 60's and 70's to reflect
the
> 'facts' as we understand them today is just plain daft. Sci fi that
> adheres too closely to fact generally equates to dull and deadly
> boring. The APES movies are wonderful, escapist, science-fiction,
> fantasies - not a series of documentaries.
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I can't remember the exact wording, but doesn't Brent opine to
> Skipper that he thinks they've come through a 'distortion' in time
or
> something like that.Maybe that raises the possibility that this is
> a 'freak' rip/bend in time, and not a natural, linear progression
> depending on the speed of a ship.Sorry--had a serious five minutes
> there---I'll go back to being a tit now. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > Brendan,
> >
> > Can I be the head of the "Not-Serious" department?...Can I,
> > huh?...Can I?...
> >
> > Seriously,
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The
fate
> of
> > > the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can
fly
> > > spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the past.
> > > I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news
that
> all
> > > our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> > > There is no place for Humour here.
> > > This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous
nature
> > of
> > > some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and immediately
> > > demanded that all humour content be removed from every print
of
> > > Planet Of The Apes.
> > > Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak
no
> > > Evil' moment in the Trial.
> > > And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her
> stupid
> > > reference to Parrots.
> > > Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> > > So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out
any
> > > and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> > > misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio
demanding
> it
> > > be removed.
> > > If we all pull together, then the films will have much shorter
> > > running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one
Disc.
> > > This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
> > >
> > > Then, this here discussion group can focus.
> > >
> > > I like Glen, am totally serious.
> > >
> > > So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at
childish
> pun
> > > humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
> > >
> > > Brendan. (8-I
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> > > >
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some
people
> > > here
> > > > >
> > > > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John -- you
> > > > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> > > ships!?...They
> > > > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend, or
> some
> > > > other
> > > > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how
may
> > > times
> > > > you
> > > > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on
> anything
> > > > other
> > > > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to
think
> > > about
> > > > > it!...
> > > > >
> > > > > G
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why
Taylor's
> > ship
> > > > was
> > > > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land
in
> > the
> > > > water--
> > > > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when
Milo
> > > > pulled it
> > > > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> OK John, You're a Tit and I'm another so all we need is one more
> person and we'll have A perfect woman...
> Could I put forward the current US President as at least having the
> right qualifications, even down to his name, for the job...
> Brendan.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I can't remember the exact wording, but doesn't Brent opine to
> > Skipper that he thinks they've come through a 'distortion' in

> or
> > something like that.Maybe that raises the possibility that this

> > a 'freak' rip/bend in time, and not a natural, linear progression
> > depending on the speed of a ship.Sorry--had a serious five

> > there---I'll go back to being a tit now. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > Brendan,
> > >
> > > Can I be the head of the "Not-Serious" department?...Can I,
> > > huh?...Can I?...
> > >
> > > Seriously,
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "brendan486" <nzape@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah your right. This is a serious business we are in. The
> fate
> > of
> > > > the world rests on our ability to determine whether Apes can
> fly
> > > > spaceships built by humans and delivered to them from the

> > > > I will call Uncle Kofi at the UN to give him the good news
> that
> > all
> > > > our energies are being devoted to this issue.
> > > > There is no place for Humour here.
> > > > This morning after reading the indictment of the frivilous
> nature
> > > of
> > > > some Ape Fans, I marched into 20th century Fox and

> > > > demanded that all humour content be removed from every print
> of
> > > > Planet Of The Apes.
> > > > Particularly that ridiculous 'Hear no Evil,See no Evil, Speak
> no
> > > > Evil' moment in the Trial.
> > > > And Zira making a mockery of the Hearing in Escape with her
> > stupid
> > > > reference to Parrots.
> > > > Science Fiction is a SERIOUS SERIOUS business.
> > > > So I call on all members of this discussion group to seek out
> any
> > > > and all references to anything in the Ape films that could be
> > > > misconstrued as 'not serious' and write to the Studio
> demanding
> > it
> > > > be removed.
> > > > If we all pull together, then the films will have much

> > > > running times and perhaps the whole Catalogue can fit on one
> Disc.
> > > > This will save inordinate amounts of time and money.
> > > >
> > > > Then, this here discussion group can focus.
> > > >
> > > > I like Glen, am totally serious.
> > > >
> > > > So no more monkeying around people. (not an attempt at
> childish
> > pun
> > > > humour but a valid use of a colloquial expression)
> > > >
> > > > Brendan. (8-I
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean?...I am serious!...
> > > > >
> > > > > G
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john rutkoski <rutkoskijohn@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i guess its hard to find serious discussions with some
> people
> > > > here
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Glen <HotScheetz@> wrote: John, John, John --

> > > > > fool!...Do you honestly think that NASA would
> > > > > > use 100% wool or cotton in the cunstruction of their
> > > > ships!?...They
> > > > > > would definitely have employed a polyester mixed blend,

> > some
> > > > > other
> > > > > > synthetic!...There would be no shrinkage, no matter how
> may
> > > > times
> > > > > you
> > > > > > washed it!...Now, if Milo put it through the dryer on
> > anything
> > > > > other
> > > > > > than a 'delicates' setting, well, I don't even want to
> think
> > > > about
> > > > > > it!...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > G
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think we're missing the obvious here as to why
> Taylor's
> > > ship
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > bigger. Landon tells us they weren't programmed to land
> in
> > > the
> > > > > water--
> > > > > > > -obviously the ship is not drip dry and it shrank when
> Milo
> > > > > pulled it
> > > > > > > out. John, Scrolls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > TV dinner still cooling?
> > > > > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>